40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

Eldrad is just the tiniest bit more pragmatic/sympathetic

In Gate of Bones I think, an Eldar emissary arrives before Guilliman and his sizable council, and most of them aren't happy
The guy sent to represent the head of the militarum basically goes "they double cross us at every turn, we've lost millions to them, how can we trust them?"

It might not have been in Gate of Bones specifically

But I remember it being recent

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Eldar and Tau are the “friendly” aliens in the imperiums eyes

As in they won’t immediately kill you on sight and you can probably negotiate in event of shit hitting the fan

[green loom]

Tau are the closest thing the imps have to a "conventional" enemy

Eldar are extremely hit or miss

[undone zodiac]

Vs eldar is basially how bad of a whiff their "prophecy" is

[arctic talon]

Tbh

Yeah lol

[undone zodiac]

"Arthur i know how to kill chaos god we just need half of the imperiums taxpayers"

[signal bramble]

Traitor pdf/guard as well. Traitor not always meaning chaos or warp influence.

[green loom]

Yeah but generally you don't get nicely organized actual empires

Maybe a secessionist government that doesn't fall apart in 10 days

[signal bramble]

If I were to ever be captured alive by any faction in 40k I’d 100% go with the Tau every time.

[arctic talon]

If I get captured by the tau

Worst case scenario I end up as a POW in a shitty prison

[signal bramble]

At least until they convert you or believe they converted you to the greater good.

[storm jungle]

Any person would take "re-aducation" compared to working to death in an Imperial concentration camp

[arctic talon]

Tbh I’ll take the re-education over an imperial manufacotrum

Because

I’m gona be real here the worst Tau working conditions are better then most imperial manufacotrum s

[storm jungle]

Yeah Tau are still ironically "humane"

the Imperium meanwhile operate literal death camps

[arctic talon]

Admech my beloved

[dense mortar]

lol. Reading the book where Ragnar first engages a Chaos Marine

||her literally accidentally kills him by him tripping and falling on ragnars sword||

They didnt really go the distance with that bit of writing.

[rose thorn]

What?
…
What?

What??????

I read it like 3 times

[coarse pumice]

but imperial manufactoriums workers are so dedicated, they even set up dens to sleep at the plant

[dense mortar]

||Well. He was fighting Maddox, who was quite easily beating his ass. Another fallen Space Wolf lay on the ground (presumably dead). Maddox knocked ragnar on the ground, and walked over him to give the final blow. Then the presumedly dead Space Wolf grabbed Maddox foot, tripped him, and he fell on Ragnars blade.||

[rose thorn]

Ohhhh

Damn true dark krakens are kinda baller

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/15/Dark_Krakens_Primaris_Intercessor.png/revision/latest?cb=20220615071254

[arctic talon]

[rose thorn]

Wait- is the mantis warrior’s gimmick is that they ate shit during the baddab war?

And everyone thinks the are gona die out?

[copper patrol]

perhaps

[arctic talon]

They like ambush tactics is their other gimmick

[storm jungle]

get it

like a Mantis

[arctic talon]

[dense mortar]

Think GW would ever do something like this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8NoG-w1RbI

I konw there are soem fan made virtuals. But nothing official

or would they not want to risk mini revenues

[arctic talon]

They don’t want to risk mini revenue

It’s their main source of income

[dense mortar]

I feel like you could monetize ingame minis though

and they could double dip

[celest dome]

DnD and other Tabletop rpg don't get much revenues through their minis. GW absolutely does

So for DnD, it's opening a new market that they can't get without this. But for Warhmmer, it would only cannibalise on their current market

Though only a little bit because most warhammer table top fan would still stay with real stuff when possible

[crystal forum]

at least the books arent too overpriced

[dense mortar]

Yeah. For someoen like me, who does not collect minis and moves quite a lot, i would definitely by into a VTT version of the game

and buy every Space Wolf

[crystal forum]

you could print them

[celest dome]

Still mean you have them physically which can prove annoying when you move around frequently

[celest dome]

Yes, so you're in the case where you would be a new consumer

[crystal forum]

you could also just play the game with random household objects

[celest dome]

Which they would want to get. But then you have another type of consumer. The one that already play TT, but would move to virtual

Which would mean that theybcan loose revenues on their minis

From which they don't have to share revenues and are sellable by the piece

[crystal forum]

isn't the game itself just half of the hobby

[celest dome]

While for VTT, it's much harder to sell the same mini multiple times, which GW would want to do

[crystal forum]

i thought it was mostly about the miniatures and creating environments

plus you're losing a lot of the creativity aspect by playing according to digital rules

[celest dome]

Well considering the product Zero showed this isn't really a problem, as its really a VTT, and not a virtual GM

So you still would have animations (maybe), guides/helper, and all that jazz but the control would still be in the hands of the human

[crystal forum]

i'd probably try it then

if i got miniatures i'd probably just lose interest and they'd end up collecting dust

this really is a hobby for dedicated people

now if only GW could release a video game that's actually good

[celest dome]

There are quite a few that aren't bad, Vt2, SM1, DoW 1/2, Mechanicus, Blood Teeth and Dakka, and hopefully Darktide at the 6month+ and SM2

[crystal forum]

they're ok but mostly niche

[dense mortar]

Space Marine II this year. Fingers crossed

Trailer looks good. Only downfall is there dont appear to be any Space Wolves

Unless they let you choose your faction somehow

[echo vault]

Trying to think of good excuses for why an energy weapon focused chapter can use bolters/autocannons

[celest dome]

Ideally in the 10th edition, if I was GW, I'd push toward a Death Wing Space Hulk 2, Mechanicus 2 and a new Rts for 40k (Like DoW but not made by them)
For Fantasy, I'd mostly leave it alone with Vt2 and TWW3, though in the future another Tide game would be a good thing to do.
As for AoS, I don't think it's ready for a TW type Rts now, but it could work with a LotR BfME or Warcraft system. And much later (5 to 10 years) maybe starting to think about a TW game set in 3 or 4 games in total.
Old World, I think it'd way too soon for a Video game

[celest dome]

Trading maybe ? Like selling energy to a Forge World in exchange for Bolter/Bolts and Autoguns ?

[echo vault]

Yeah I'm thinking about munitions and such, I remember how needler guns in 40k work by shooting a laser and the needle munition to puncture armor and actually hit someone with the cancer filled needle, some kinda fancy munition like that for bolter shells and such

[celest dome]

Wait it's the Neddler that do that ? I though it was the Admech Flechette Blasters and Carbines

For Bolter I don't think that it exists, at least its not coming up in my mind, but there are plenty of Bolts types so why not

[dense mortar]

Space Hulk had a really solid concept and was actually a good game given how much it lacked

[celest dome]

Space Hulk concept was sound, it's basically a Tide game but made by another company, the thing they went wrong with it is that they went to single player 1st and then multiplayer instead of the other way around

[dense mortar]

Most definitely. Also the combat was not super satisfying.

I want to see guts and sinew when I cut through a heretic. Not a poof of smoke

[celest dome]

Well impart that, but also the attacks are somewhat lackluster, they don't have great attack patterns that you really need to learn

[arctic talon]

There’s no impact

To your attacks in that game

Everything feels very muted

Even the genestealers don’t feel that strong physically

[dense mortar]

I certainyl did not feel like a Terminator

me and JT played the other night. Its actually fun with a group of people

[celest dome]

But really, narratively and set piece. GW should really push toward that game getting a sequel as both faction featured in it are getting new lores and become much more active again

[dense mortar]

Well lets just keep our fingers crossed Space Marine 2 is good. I want a good multiplayer campaign, and separate multiplayer modes designated from just mowing down waves of enemies

Thats really all they need to do to be successful

[crimson kayak]

Spoiler, get tabletop simulator and you got your vvt

[crimson kayak]

Campaign is definetly gonna be ultramarine focus as it's a sequel to the first, multiplayer you could paint your marine in the first i don't see why not here

[celest dome]

Wasn't it moded ? For the other skins ?

[crimson kayak]

Nope?

I remember you could paint the marine/CSM and you had various armour options

Mod expanded customization, don't remember exactly how

[celest dome]

Oh maybe you needed mods to use custom armour in the story mode

[sleek wigeon]

I saw a few mods for single player iirc

[near wasp]

Its joseph!

Gt is just short for gamertag xD since i played on the xbox app. Sadly my app completely died and after 13 hours of troubleshooting i cant get it to work again

I will no longer be able to play darktide, but i will remain here, mostly because i like talking to some of yall in the chat

[crimson kayak]

Yep

I just hope if chaos is in sm2 it's not nurgle/Khorne again

[versed ledge]

Please Slaaneshi marines, those seem more likely for a rebellion without plague

Nurgle and Khorne are too proletariat...

[crisp heath]

<@&735928989146939404>

[versed ledge]

What

[crisp heath]

Oh someone was linking porn it's gone now

[green loom]

(spoilers for Betrayer)
Can hardly believe it but, based Lorgar?

[versed ledge]

So if any of you guys were in the 40k universe and drafted to the guard, what battlefield would you choose to be in, if given the choice?

[vale shuttle]

do you mean regiment or do we have to pick a battle to be a part of

[versed ledge]

Not necessarily a battle, but yeah sure, also the field itself too

[vale shuttle]

uhhh lucifer blacks? human guards of the imperial palace. would be ok.

otherwise a war against Orks cause they'll just rip me to pieces if they win

[green loom]

If you don't die they enslave you

As of Wolftime

[versed ledge]

War against fellow loyal imperial guardsmen and women due to a administrative fuck up, and preferably in a trench

[versed ledge]

The ork human farms....

[green loom]

Doesn't matter where, you're dead anyway lul

[versed ledge]

Unless it's against the Tau, at least they take prisoners

Does chaos take prisoners?

[green loom]

Sometimes

Usually for sacrifices

Or slave labor

[green loom]

If you survive, and being hit by plasma is generally unpleasant

[signal bramble]

Yes. For slavery or sacrifice or worse.

By “worse” I mean a legion like the night lords or emperor’s children who will inflict horrific awful unspeakable torture until they allow you to die.

[signal bramble]

If you were to surrender the Tau would generally spare you.

[vale shuttle]

so i have a friend whose made a thousand sons warband and their premise is they jumped into the warp to travel to terra for the siege, and after 20 subjecive minutes they popped out on the other side of the galaxy, flung out of the great rift 10K years later

so! the rubric of ahriman takes place after the horus heresy, meaning that they were in the warp when it happened. my question is thusly: what does that mean for them?

[green loom]

I think something like this happened before

And the non-sorcs just poped

[vale shuttle]

gosh that's not at all what i was hoping for

do you happen to know which book or w/ever that happened in?

[green loom]

I might be misremembering

[green loom]

Apparently "Talon of Horus" explains that it affects TS by name so being time displaced would do nothing

[vale shuttle]

ty

[green loom]

This breaks it down better

I don't even know where I heard it!

[vale shuttle]

i've heard something similar but iw anted to verify

tyvm ederius you're a big help

[green loom]

At least my autistic ability to semi-accurately recall very specific 40k lore is useful for something

Though keep in mind

If the Blood Ravens can exist, others probably can as well

[vale shuttle]

hey man i know a shitload of very specific 40k lore but i can never cite my sources

it's always "i heard this and it sounds correct but i don't know if it's true or not"

[green loom]

I can generally dig out where something is from

Despite only having properly read Great Work and Horus Rising

[vale shuttle]

my problem is that a vast and overwhelming majority of my 40k lore knowledge comes from:
over a decade of osmosis
lore vids and lore forums
old codexes for the factions i like

and you might've noticed that all of those are very inefficient at being useful sources :/

[coarse pumice]

codices and rulebooks are the most legit though

[vale shuttle]

yeha but the ones i have on hand are like, 30 years out of date

oops

i recnetly got the 8e rulebook ('recently', like a few years ago) but otherwise my books are all a liiiittttlllleee

old

[coarse pumice]

writing quality has been on steady decline since the early 90s anyway so you won't be missing much

[dense mortar]

Thats why I am writing a Fan Fiction epic where Russ assume the role of Emperor of the Imperium

[celest dome]

You really are a caricature

[vale shuttle]

this has to be bait

[dense mortar]

The only bait an SW lays is the ferocious howl of a battle brother and the cold blade of Fenrisian steel as it tears through heretics.

[vale shuttle]

we really have passed the internet event horizon where i can't tell if you're being serious or not

[green loom]

You're a real master baiter

[vale shuttle]

im so irony poisoned that this is a terrible struggle for me

[dense mortar]

May your Fangs strike true brothers. I drank from the cup of Russ 2 months ago. . . .it gas changed ne ever sense.

[vale shuttle]

ok this is definitely a parody account

[near wasp]

And if hes not?

[crimson kayak]

Blood ravens are different as they are made using thousand sons gene-seed (allegedly) , they are not true thousand aons

[green loom]

You don't found a chapter out of the blue, so someone was left

[crisp heath]

Darryl

[crimson kayak]

I mean, didn't the rubric just affect the non-Psykers?

[crisp heath]

All Blood Ravens are descended from Darryl

[green loom]

The Flesh change would probably get the others

Though frankly we can't know for sure lmao

[crimson kayak]

Depends if the gene-seed was tampered with through

Cawl-style basically

[green loom]

You can't fix magic

[crimson kayak]

The flesh change was a gene-seed problem

[crisp heath]

We already had this talk, Blood Ravens suffer from the Flesh Change

[crimson kayak]

Wait they do?

[crisp heath]

DoW1 mentions it and one of the Index Astartes as well

[green loom]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

They have a special tower they lock them in

[crimson kayak]

Oh, didn't remember that tbh

[crisp heath]

They just think it's mutation though, they don't realize changed marines are chaos spawn

[crimson kayak]

Now the question is if it's happening with the primaris they got too

[green loom]

Probably is

[celest dome]

Except that we know that there was a Geneseed vault that contained Geneseeds of all the Legions

[green loom]

I meant more that you need guys to ykno

Found it

And run it

[vale shuttle]

well i'll need some solid proof otherwise but if mr zerokewl is not a parody account i'll

idk

write my own parody fanfic or something fucked if i know

[crimson kayak]

Btw the index astartes for blood ravens apparently mentions they do the same thing exorsists do

(and apparently only initiates of the blood ravens fall to the flesh change/similar stuff)

[vale shuttle]

i just looked it up and yeah it seems that the flesh change isn't a thing full blood ravens go through

it's only the initiaties and only "from exposure to a large amount of warp juice" (or something) so idk it doesn't seem like they'd be thousand sons derived

[near wasp]

Dude might just be a bit obsessive.

[crisp heath]

I'll also point out that traitor geneseed was locked up after the heresy and doesn't seem to have been released until Cawl got his hands on some

So it's unlikely Blood Ravens were just made from storage

[vale shuttle]

apparently thousand sons geneseed doesn't even work on non-psykers anymore

so if the imperium had genesesed from the thousand sons it woujjldn't be useful for that reason ||except for the grey knights but they get the emperor's geneseed so whatever||

[vale shuttle]

i guess but every time i see zerokewl he's wolfposting and it's kinda weird

[near wasp]

I agree its a bit weird but it also could be he just loves vikings and stuff. I know one of my friends irl is similarly obsessed, i havnt introduced him to 40k

[vale shuttle]

although it just occurred to me that thousand sons genesesed has only been used by the thousand sons mainline legion and that they were all hit by the rubric

[crimson kayak]

Lol as if we didn't already have a bunch of chapters said to have chimeric gene-seed or unknown gene-seed with clear traitor traits

[vale shuttle]

it is theoretically possible that geneseed that was just in storage, not attached to anyone and therefore not touchewd by the rubric, could easilyt still have the old properties of thousand sons geneseed

[near wasp]

Bloodravens might be using modified geneseed

[crisp heath]

I always read that as experimentation on captured or killed traitors

[crimson kayak]

I mean it's still traitor gene-seed no matter where it comes from

[near wasp]

Id rather use the geneseed from storage, way more stable than the stuff from the corrupted marines

[crisp heath]

Yeah but it's not the original "pure" stock they had vaulted up

Fun possibility: Blood Ravens got Soul Drinker'd

[vale shuttle]

what happened to the soul drinkers?

were they the ones that got wiped out and then someone else was like "this leaves the IP to me" and made a new chapter with the same name, heraldry, and colours

[near wasp]

They got geenseed swapped and got mega corrupted

Full on giant spider mutant

[crisp heath]

Yeah they were wiped and the implication is a chaos legion replaced them

[vale shuttle]

alpha legion psyops

[crisp heath]

Incidentally Thousand Sons are also a strong contender for Soul Drinker geneseed too

But I like Alpha Legion because that just sounds like some shit they'd do

[vale shuttle]

alpha legion are funny little guys who love their schemes

can't help but love them playing 802d chess it's just endearing

[green loom]

I can't wait for Primaris 1st company proper

Instead of the crappy bandaid that was "Veteran intercessors"

[crisp heath]

Soul Drinkers are fun because they're 3 different chapters with 3 different geneseeds

[vale shuttle]

im not really a loyalist fan, ive only painted like 20 salamanders as my intro to painting but

damn i love the new terminators

[green loom]

I didn't really like terminators

But these fresh sculpts won me over

[crisp heath]

I'm more a xenos lass but I always had a soft spot for those funky terminator helmets

[crimson kayak]

Funny how when primaris came, everything else got thrown out the window and improved

[vale shuttle]

i'm a chaos fan but i've recently found a love for sororitas

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile termies are just termies

[vale shuttle]

CAN'T IMPROVE ON PERFECTION

[crisp heath]

Also helps that Tyberos is a terminator and I love chonky bois

[crimson kayak]

Two words... Gravis Terminator

[vale shuttle]

with the amount of models that loyalist space marines get, give it enough time and you'll see it

and by enough time i mean like 3 months

[crimson kayak]

Considering how Gravis armour lore is already bonkers, making it termie related would literally make them baby dreads

That can drop from low orbit

Or well

Literally just a bunch of bakugans

[vale shuttle]

right but the lore is in service to the models, and space marines already get new models every 13 days or something, so "Gravis Terminators" is a pretty logical thing

like being serious: it wouldn't surprise me if we saw Gravis Terminators in the next few years, especially if the new terminators sell well

[green loom]

Anyone wanna see a design I made years ago for a chapter master of mine

[crisp heath]

You fuckers better start collecting nids, mommy needs new bugs

[vale shuttle]

NO I JUST STARTED A NEW SORORITAS ARMY

go out and buy sororitas so we can get our cavalary girls

[near wasp]

I wanna biuld ultra marines first

[crisp heath]

@green loom show

[vale shuttle]

no stop buying loyalist marines that's what got us into this mess!!!

[green loom]

You really liked the art I sent huh lmao

[green loom]

Disregard the names

They is quite cringy

[vale shuttle]

i've seen a tonne of different sororitas cavalry

and i'm gonna be honest with you

i love them all

i saw them before i started my army and now im seeing new ones after i started my army and just

👌

gimmie

[near wasp]

It what i want, my next army will be nercons though

[vale shuttle]

i really like the power sword

[crisp heath]

Honestly the naming fits 40k stuff

[vale shuttle]

40k names are super edgy

[crisp heath]

Dude exudes "angel of some description"

[crimson kayak]

So, considering the looks and gw naming conventions... This is an iron hands successor yes?

/s

[green loom]

The chapter he led was called "The Angel's Bulwark", heavy knight theme BA

[near wasp]

I think the iron halos wings should be spread out, rn it just looks like a crozosis or however you say a chaplins weapon

Other than that i like everything else

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but consider its flat on 2d, the crozium has 4 extensions (if I remember correctly)

Given the right pose it can work

[green loom]

Friend of mine kitbashed some models for them a few years ago as well

[crimson kayak]

Wtf is going on with those face wings

[green loom]

I think it's the helmet the commander uses in the "Chapter Command" set or something along those lines

[crimson kayak]

Oh God it's so fucking bad

Zurg-looking mofo

[near wasp]

Maybe if the colors were flipped on the helm it would look better

[green loom]

UM honour guard use it/a similar helmet iirc

[crimson kayak]

Everything else is really good

[green loom]

But ye guy was pretty free form with them

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but it's front closed

So no zurg facegrill popping out

[green loom]

Found it

[crimson kayak]

I'm hating that helmet so much

[crisp heath]

"FEAR MY FLAPS"

[crimson kayak]

Was it really so hard to just close it lol

[green loom]

Wait a minute these aren't the same model?

shudder

[vale shuttle]

there's like 12 different "Space Marine Primaris Captain" models

[crimson kayak]

Nope, first one is using tacticus armour

Aka standard marine

[green loom]

Oh my

I just noticed something very funny on the website

[crisp heath]

Corvus helmet, all other armor is irrelevant

[crimson kayak]

The reintroduction of the mk4 helmet for the Mk X was a godsend

Best marine helmet

[crisp heath]

Mk6 just looks coolest in general tbh, love studs and beaks

[vale shuttle]

beaks are best

i'm a big fan of the beakie boys

are there primaris scaled beaks?

[crimson kayak]

Not from gw as far as I'm aware

[vale shuttle]

tragedy, they're letting the best helmet design hide aw-

[crimson kayak]

of course it was a raven guard

[vale shuttle]

pretty sure that's the horus heresy raven guard upgrade set

buy now from forge world for 39.99

[crimson kayak]

Wait hh marines are primaris scaled?

[vale shuttle]

i believe so

i believe they decided to make the 30k marines primaris scaled after the release of primaris

(but i am not totally sure)

[green loom]

Well this is surprising

[shadow plover]

no that's the 40k primaris upgrade sprue

[green loom]

I expected there to be massive import costs

But I guess not

[vale shuttle]

i stand corrected!!!

also 43 bucks for some fucking shoulderpads and emo heads? wtf GW

[shadow plover]

do you happen to be Australian by any chance

[crimson kayak]

me, paying the same for a full killteam from the same website

[coarse pumice]

need to compare a metal guardsman from before the plastic cadians

the plastic cadians are what ruined the scale

[vale shuttle]

gosh, caught

[shadow plover]

yeah that'll explain the cost

[green loom]

This country ceased to exist 20 years ago

[crimson kayak]

Yep, checked and it's 22 euro for me

[vale shuttle]

we australians are fucking fleeced by GW

[crimson kayak]

Wich is more reasonable

[vale shuttle]

it hurts me deeply every time i want to get my little plastic people

[coarse pumice]

are the made to order steel Legion actually in metal?

or fine cast?

[green loom]

Says they're metal

[coarse pumice]

hmm, though it is rather expensive for an army

I'm tempted to get some as painting pieces maybe

or for rpg use maybe

[dense mortar]

@vale shuttle You owe me an equally awe inspiring Fan Fic then. A small peek, by popular request, of what I am working on. I tried to not make it drip TOO heavy with SW

[obtuse locust]

hmm question, what kind of field does the traitor captain bosses have? refractor or conversion

[crimson kayak]

Refractor

[vale shuttle]

zerokewl i will write you a shrot parody fan-fic about one of these three topics (your choice)

1. the empperor returns and makes the entire galaxy right in a massive loyalist wankfest
2. the tau win.
3. AU horus heresy where they all go to family therapy

[crimson kayak]

Conversion is invisible

[dense mortar]

Family Therapy seems fun.

[obtuse locust]

ahhh alright.

[vale shuttle]

alright

[obtuse locust]

cuz my character just purchased a conversion field.

[crisp heath]

Curze in any type of therapy would be a good fic in and of itself

[crimson kayak]

Conversion is what van dire used to trick the sisters of battle that he was some kind of embodiment of the emperor

And it worked

[obtuse locust]

ohh yeah that one.

[crimson kayak]

Btw what's that screen from?

[obtuse locust]

roll20, ttrpg i am playing. dark heresy 2E

[crimson kayak]

Uh, It must have changed a bit since last time I used it

Wich was a fuckton of time ago where roll20 was basically a chat with dices

[crisp heath]

I hate roll20 so much but I learned theater of the mind

[vale shuttle]

boy you'll love what i have in my first paragraph

[obtuse locust]

yeah they have inbuilt sheets with roll buttons.

i am wondering why we can't steal the refractor shields off the traitor captains after we kill them. guess they overloaded too much and are broken beyond repair.

[crisp heath]

Who needs shields when you have faith

[green loom]

Question

[obtuse locust]

hadron of all people would have screamed at the rejects to get the rare tech off the heretic's body. or....its corrupted with nurgle's taint and they don't want it.

[green loom]

I'm drawing Farith as Supreme GM of the DA

Should I give him a hood or a winged helm

[crisp heath]

The most ostentatious, gaudy-ass wings you can muster

[obtuse locust]

wow good art. i am still learning how to draw cloth folds

mfw my dark heresy 2E PC is a darktide sniper with carapace armour, stronger shield then the traitor captain, with medic abilities.

[green loom]

I'm just sketching over the primaris template thing

[obtuse locust]

template?

[green loom]

Transparent background

[obtuse locust]

ah nice.

[crimson kayak]

Because we got Toughness

[celest dome]

The Inquisition probably take them back

[vale shuttle]

i'll finish this tomorrow

i hope you all find it at least mildly amusing

[crimson kayak]

And tbf I'm pretty sure half the time you can consider them broken after we pop them 3 to 5 times per fight lol

[chilly creek]

You want to use items touched by Chaos worshippers? What are you, a Blood Raven?

[obtuse locust]

rofl i am a loot gremlin when i am playing TTRPGs.

[crimson kayak]

Speaking of looting dead bodies

If all return possible primarchs do indeed come back, considering how the lion has his shield and guilly his sword, what part of the old golden corpse are the other primarchs gonna steal?

[crimson kayak]

(and btw if this happens and the end times style battle isn't the primarchs megazording into an emperor avatar I'll be severely disappointed)

[vale shuttle]

the talon of the emperor is an obvious contender

i feel like they'd give that to russ

also i think the emperor has sometimes been depicted with a spear, which i think would go to vulkan

[storm jungle]

Russ already has a spear

The talon will go to Dorn

[celest dome]

Dorn -> Talon

[storm jungle]

because humans have fists

and talons fit on fists

his Imperial Fist if you will

[celest dome]

And that Dorn lost one of his fist

[storm jungle]

This plot really does just write itself

[celest dome]

What should Corvus and Jagathai get

Did the Emperor have some sort of Bike ?

[vale shuttle]

dorn is dead i refuse to believe hje's coming back

[celest dome]

MIA

[vale shuttle]

DEAD

[celest dome]

Retconned

[vale shuttle]

he's dead goddamnit

you cannot convince me otherwise!!!!

[celest dome]

I don't need to

Just be warned, GW does not care of the recalcitrant

[vale shuttle]

damn i like your vocabulary mr cacti

i understand that if gw wants to bring rogal back theyt will, i just desperatley do not want them to

[celest dome]

English really lack the use of a lot of words

[vale shuttle]

why use big word when small word do trick

[celest dome]

Because certain times it suck

Like how do you say a thing with 2 heads like Kairos Fateweaver ?

Bicephalic

But no one in English know it

[vale shuttle]

i learnt a new word today

[crimson kayak]

(btw let's also remember valdor still has the sister spear to that of russ)

oh no wait

it's still in custodian hands

so technically we got 2 spears

[celest dome]

There is also his Bolter, which I don't think has been named yet

[crimson kayak]

my guesses are: Sword to Guilly, Shield to Lion, Claw to Dorn, Dyonisian Spear to Russ, Apollonian to Jagh, armour to vulkan, and corax doesn't get shit because he's big demon bird now

the bolter is basically a one-off mention... also the only emperor's item that's not GOLD

[near wasp]

Fulgrim gets his bolter

[crimson kayak]

(also spoilers but the shield was made up for the lion as apparently it never appears elsewhere)

[near wasp]

Did big e use a shield in his fight with the viod dragon?

[crimson kayak]

i mean, if he has it's surely before he gets the claw

as those two wouldn't really mesh well with each other

[near wasp]

Yeah

[signal bramble]

We don’t know.

The shield is new lore.

[near wasp]

I doubt well get anything on it then

[signal bramble]

A lot of hope is on the novel to explain all this but I’m not getting my hopes up.

[near wasp]

Yeah me either

[celest dome]

Couldn't we look at most depiction of Saint Michel to know what the Emperor used when fighting against the Void Dragon ?

[celest dome]

Wait the Bolter isn't gold ? How ?

[green loom]

Death is a matter of perspective

And there's only two perspectives

You either write the lore or you don't, and if you write it
Whatever you say goes

Or whatever the execs say, anyhow

[green loom]

He used it to fight the void dragon as Saint George

[celest dome]

It's Saint Michel with the Dragon, Saint George is the one that hold the Pearly Gates iirc

Wait there is both ?

[crimson kayak]

the bolter is black and bronze

[green loom]

Seems to check out

And it's a British thing

[crimson kayak]

the saint michel you are referring to is actually Archangel Michael

and it's set during the rapture as it represent the angels descending on earth to battle the seven headed dragon

(and btw it's saint peter that guards the heavenly gates)

[near wasp]

Im so lost rn

[celest dome]

Don't worry, I confused Catholic lores

[crimson kayak]

tbf i just googled the names

[rose thorn]

Oh hey it’s the emperor!

Where is the emperors horse smh

[crimson kayak]

dude literally had a giant golden ship called Bucephalus what are your talking about

[rose thorn]

Okay so for 6 seconds I thought you meant like, an actual boat lamo

[crimson kayak]

meanwhile dark eldar using floating boats

[rose thorn]

To be fair, they are space pirates

[crimson kayak]

eldar corsairs crying in the corner

[coarse pumice]

the original eldar pirates and mercenaries, who father ultramarine librarians

[crimson kayak]

btw both the emperor's ships whereabouts are currently unknown

[green loom]

Nah

The Imperator Somnium blows up

[crimson kayak]

oh

well, still got the old one to find

[celest dome]

Wrong horse though

[green loom]

Think it's in the book after saturnine

Dies distracting the traitor fleet so the DA force led by Corswain can land

Destroys a nice chunk of it, critically damages the Conqueror and I think the Word Bearer Gloriana?

[crimson kayak]

just looked it up, destroy's 4 heavy cruisers of the word bearers and one battle barge of the emperor's children

but tbf it was basically sent alone against the entire earth blockade

[green loom]

Yep

And I mean, that's only ships it destroyed

It probably fucked up a lot more

[crimson kayak]

i mean it was chock-full of daot shit after all

[rose thorn]

Who liked Lorgar/Word bearers pre HH

I know horus, magnus and angeron actually liked them

But horus likes everyone

[celest dome]

Horus liked Mortarion ?

[green loom]

Even if he didn't he'd pretend to

Horus was quite manipulative

[rose thorn]

The only perosn I can think of who had a negative relationship was with Corvus

Because Horus promoted the Terran 14th tactics

[arctic talon]

I think Corvus and Lion both disliked Horus

[rose thorn]

And ended up killing a load of his boyos

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah, wasn’t Lion jealous?

[arctic talon]

Lion because Horus was in direct competition for being the emperors special boy

Yeah

He was lol

And Corvus because

He really didn’t like his Terran marines

[rose thorn]

Honestly pre HH I’d think Lion would like Lorgar

[celest dome]

Not Sanguinus ?

[arctic talon]

Lion liked sanguinius

Mostly since Sanguinius was good at killing shit lmao

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd2qLhbyf64 i we can get away with calling Zhatan "your tallness"

[rose thorn]

The only thing I remember about BA is that their Terran drawn marines were basically under den drug addicts

And almost got [REDACTED]

[green loom]

Horus also was pretty manipulative as I said, Lion might not have liked that

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah horus is a lil mobster boyo

Isn’t he

[green loom]

He puts on an accent

But he was found very early on

[arctic talon]

He’s very good at manipulation

Tbh

[rose thorn]

I wonder let’s say you get someone who has never heard of warhammer

And you give them the horus heresy series

And they read it in chronological orde

and yiy black out ‘horus heresy’

[coarse pumice]

[rose thorn]

Would they be surprised when horus betrays the emperor?

[green loom]

Not really

[celest dome]

At which point they will know for sure who betray the Emperor and who doesn't ?
I'd say quite early

[crystal forum]

they'd be extremely confused because the books assume you know what a space marine is

[green loom]

It's built up quite nicely

[arctic talon]

The first book starts with “I was there the day Horus slew the emperor”

Sooo

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[green loom]

Yeah literally

[arctic talon]

But the buildup to the heresy

Is done very well imo

[green loom]

It's a sort of bait and switch

[arctic talon]

You can see the cracks forming

[arctic talon]

I mean it is

But it’s ironic

Because the guy who says that

[green loom]

Since Horus Rising opens with the Luna Wolves fighting Fake!Humanity

[crystal forum]

garviel loken is still my favorite 40k protagonist

[arctic talon]

Will be there the day Horus slays the emperor

[green loom]

And Horus kills an Emperor

On a golden throne

[arctic talon]

It goes full circle

Ironicially

[green loom]

Tbf that's the entire point

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Not really foreshadowing tbf

We already know

What’s gona happen

[celest dome]

Well there is foreshadowing and just hammering a nail into something

[green loom]

Imagine dragging out foreshadowing for nearly 20 years

Man

BL are some wild assholes

[celest dome]

Like Foreshadowing require subtility

[green loom]

True lmao

[arctic talon]

Hello I like money

[crystal forum]

i like how you can see loken's descent into realizing what's going on over 2 books

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/chef-ratatouille-gif-20711961

Loken irl

[arctic talon]

add skaven to 40k

[rose thorn]

Okay new person never heard of warhammer reads every warhammer book in chronological order and nothing else

Top 3 questions

[crystal forum]

it genuinely surprised be that abaddon is actually a very important character because in the first horus heresy books he's not really focused on

[gloomy citrus]

Salamanders would annihilate them.

[rose thorn]

To be fair that happens in like, every character’s first book

[celest dome]

Why is the Emperor so bad at what he tries to do
Why are SM so ineffective
Why is Chaos

[green loom]

Abby sits on the sidelines for a while I thought

[arctic talon]

Tbh humanity already like

Takes the niche skaven hold

[rose thorn]

LMAO

[green loom]

Starts picking up the pace as the other chaos characters start dropping dead and getting progressively more insane

[rose thorn]

Who would they most likely end up liking the most?

[arctic talon]

The emperor is a piece of shit he’s not meant to be likeable kekw

[green loom]

Probably Loken

[arctic talon]

Prolly Loken

[rose thorn]

They have to have a good amount of books with out being boring

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[green loom]

I know a guy who named his son after Garviel

[celest dome]

Cain, or maybe Eisenhorn/Ravenor
They are some of the most relatable characters

[green loom]

Pretty based gamer

[rose thorn]

Fair

[crystal forum]

lucius has a lot of character development the first time he's seen

[arctic talon]

Lucius is Ironicially pretty enjoyable

As a character tbh

[green loom]

So do most of the EC right?(God I loved Horus Rising)

[crystal forum]

i understand lucius's descent to chaos, that's the messed up part

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah every legion has their ‘lovable shit bag’

[crystal forum]

he really didn't give a crap about the emperor he just found himself on the wrong end

[arctic talon]

Lucius isn’t even the shit bag tbh

It’s fucking Bile lmao

[green loom]

I mean he is

[arctic talon]

Okay well

Biggest shit bag

[green loom]

You know what he pulls on Istvaan?

[arctic talon]

Is that better

[copper patrol]

lucius as he is now

[green loom]

Fkn scummy

[arctic talon]

Yes I’m aware

[copper patrol]

is fucken cringe

[arctic talon]

Lol

[rose thorn]

I mean Lucius went and murdered homeless ppl and a child

[green loom]

You know who else murdered homeless people and children?

[rose thorn]

As a child

[crystal forum]

that's actually so cool

[rose thorn]

And a child too

[rose thorn]

MY MOM

WOOOOOOOO

Sorry its an instinct now

[crystal forum]

the description of the virus bomb is such an amazing scene of devastation

[rose thorn]

Bile?

[celest dome]

Literally all the any of the SM ?

[green loom]

Corvus, Sanguinius, Fulgrim, Guilliman, Lion, Horus, Vulkan, Ferrus, Lorgar, Perturabo, Magnus, Russ, Jagathai, Angron, Kurze, Mortarion, Alpharius/Omegon, Dorn.... and most of their mariens

[rose thorn]

EC need a 40K book so bad. Their HH lore is baller as fuck

But oh my god their 40K lore is terrible

And siege of Terra

Ah yes

Human cocaine

[celest dome]

Should get some, with their Codex, would make the most sense

[crystal forum]

people need to hate lorgar more

[rose thorn]

Counter argument, that’s a terrible idea

[green loom]

He has his moments of being based

But he is quite the nutjob

[celest dome]

As long as we continue hating Erebus

[arctic talon]

You mean the fact they have literally 0 lore lmao

[rose thorn]

We have 2 short stories

[green loom]

Not true

Bile sheds some light on them

Most of them are dead

[rose thorn]

And the best chaos audio drama

[arctic talon]

Bile might as well be in his own warband

[rose thorn]

He is

[green loom]

Well he is

[arctic talon]

And disconnected from the emperors children

[arctic talon]

Presently no

[crystal forum]

primarch is able to single handedly win wars by himself but almost dies to a random rusty alien sword

[green loom]

But his books have EC popping up now and then

[arctic talon]

He’s with the biggest group of them

With eidolon

As of the 9e codex

[rose thorn]

Yeah but they call them selves some bullshit with a spider

[green loom]

Oh well as I understand he's done his job more or less with the new humans

[rose thorn]

And also EC loyal to fulgrim hate him lmao

[green loom]

So he's probably just doing whatever

[arctic talon]

Tbh

The EC are divided into like

[green loom]

And who knows, it might be another clone of him

[crystal forum]

i'd hate fulgrim too

[arctic talon]

4 separate big warbands

Lmao

[rose thorn]

Yeah

There’s Biles, Lucius, Fulgrim, and that one guy

Uhhhhh

[arctic talon]

Eidolon

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

It’s also the only named warband

[rose thorn]

And all of them continue to eat shit

[arctic talon]

And also the largest

Lmao

[rose thorn]

Except Bile

His goes okay

[rose thorn]

Hey Fulgrim’s warband is pretty big! They are just. Not. Doing. Anything. At. All

Literally nothing

[arctic talon]

It’s smaller then Eidolons

[crystal forum]

warp related activities

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[green loom]

Sex

[arctic talon]

Mostly since eidolons is biles and eidolons combined

Lmao

The fact those 2 ended up together

After that creepy scene in Horus heresy

Is kind of funny

[rose thorn]

If we get an Eidolon model would he be in the EC codex or CSM codex

[green loom]

Isn't Fabius the guy who stitched Eidolon together

[rose thorn]

Under CoB

[crystal forum]

fabius is the guy who cloned a bunch of primarchs

[storm jungle]

why is nobody mentioning my homeboys the Red Corsairs

[arctic talon]

Emperors children

[green loom]

We forgot about them, just like GW

[rose thorn]

Yeah, all chaos surgery shinannigans is 9/10 times probably bile

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

Despite them having arguably the strongest Chaos fleet

[arctic talon]

Yeah, but he also had a really creepy scene where he paralyzed eidolon and forcibly spliced his dna with alien dna

[rose thorn]

Isn’t all their lore older then my sister?

[arctic talon]

While eidolon was conscious

[storm jungle]

No lmao

they are just underrated

[green loom]

And more Blackstone fortress than the Black Legion at present!

[rose thorn]

Oh

[arctic talon]

They got more lore in 9e

[storm jungle]

Huron literally got a new novel last year

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough

[storm jungle]

and yeah the lore literally says the Red Corsairs are big enough to be like

a 30k legion apparently

[arctic talon]

Huron has a small empire

Going on

[rose thorn]

oh I had no clue

[storm jungle]

Its alright 😔

not all non-tax payers can be heroes

[rose thorn]

I thought all their lore remained in the Baddab what ever it’s called

[green loom]

Yeah they have a huge resource pool, and ol Abby even paid them with a Blackstone fortress to get their help

[arctic talon]

Huron is a true American(he doesn’t pay taxes)

Also he shoots people

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/tax-doing-taxes-busy-typing-gif-16555503

[green loom]

He gets paid taxes

[arctic talon]

Nowadays yeah lol

He’s got pretty much everything he ever wanted

Minus the chaos corruption

[rose thorn]

Sidenote, I hate that all the red CSM legions use the same red

[arctic talon]

But he’s got a small empire, a loyal following, he’s loved by his mortal followers(as much as a chaos lord can be loved) and he gets tons of money

[copper patrol]

so, is he not a massive asshole

or is he

[storm jungle]

its VERY specific shades of red

[green loom]

I don't think he really did anything particularly assholey

[storm jungle]

but like still they kinda look the same

[green loom]

He was just very competent and didn't care if the rules got in the way of doing what he wanted

[arctic talon]

Also he did end up backstabbing a lot of his allies

[copper patrol]

I mean like when rulling

[arctic talon]

During badab

By going full blown chaos

[copper patrol]

are his planets chaos shitholes

or like

[arctic talon]

No

They’re pretty nice

Ironicially

[copper patrol]

[arctic talon]

He’s prolly the most ordered chaos lord

It’s like an imperial planet

But slightly more shitty in some ways

[rose thorn]

yeah Lmao, I heard a joke about this guy who basically primed his models red and then used them as either word bearers, world eaters, or red corsairs

[arctic talon]

And less shitty in others

[storm jungle]

To back this up, heres some official artwork from the RPG books

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1002456655759417455/1089570355670163536/image.png?width=705&height=483

[rose thorn]

In every game

[storm jungle]

literally about as "ordered" as your common imperial world

[copper patrol]

[arctic talon]

Like I said imperial city but less shitty in someways and more shitty in others

[copper patrol]

that's like

[arctic talon]

Also ironically

[copper patrol]

actually good worldbuilding

[arctic talon]

He allows non chaos into his ranks

[rose thorn]

OMG HOW COME IVE NEVER AEEN THIS BEFORE

[copper patrol]

instead of making everything shit

[arctic talon]

As long as they pay their due

[storm jungle]

The RPG lines do LOTS of that

[rose thorn]

ACTUAL CHAOS SOCIETIES ARE BALLER

[arctic talon]

He literally just wants money

He’s simple

[green loom]

Red Corsairs are renegades who dabble in chaos

[arctic talon]

He’s honest in what he wants

[arctic talon]

They’re full blown chaos tbh

[copper patrol]

hmm

[arctic talon]

But they don’t use it’s powers or daemons heavily

Aside from the usual psyker stuff

[copper patrol]

perhaps if I make some csm i'll make them red corsair esq

[arctic talon]

But psykers are batshit insane already

Tbh

[storm jungle]

Because cool lore doesnt get written by GW

Its the classic conundrum with stuff like star wars and other fantasy settings where the RPG company who are given the reigns to make lore/story games for paper stuff usually explore the setting a lot more compared to the main fluff.

[rose thorn]

OH I FORHOT that uh,, Khorne warband that had rules for 3 minutes

[green loom]

I meant powers wise
Huron is pretty clearly dedicated considering the shit he has to do to not become a meat puppet

[crystal forum]

so kinda slaanesh oriented

[arctic talon]

No

he isn't vain about it

he wants it to buy more shit lol

[crystal forum]

why is this guy chaos

[arctic talon]

Because

He ended up rebeling against the imperium

[rose thorn]

Rpg companies my beloved

[copper patrol]

because the imperium are assholes

[arctic talon]

and it was the easiest way to not die

[green loom]

And once they inevitably die a handful of obscure lore bits become overwhelmingly popular for no reason

[arctic talon]

tbh

[green loom]

Cough Severan Dominate Cough

[arctic talon]

I'm glad GW keeps huron

as a like

not insane chaos worshipper

Too bad his MODEL FUCKING SUCKS

[crystal forum]

so he can be chaos without having to do anything for the chaos gods?

[arctic talon]

💀

[copper patrol]

not insane chaos worshippers are some of the most interesting characters

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

He doesn't have any blessings

from the gods lol

[rose thorn]

WJATS THAT THING

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

[arctic talon]

which thing

the tiny homonculus baby thing?

[rose thorn]

LITTLE BALLSACK DOG

[queen laurel]

It's a shame we probably won't see Enuncia again in the setting

[arctic talon]

thats his pet daemon

[copper patrol]

the little monkey friend

[arctic talon]

that follows him around

[green loom]

The Blessing is that he isn't dead

[copper patrol]

cease

[green loom]

Did you never wonder how he got the name "Blackheart"

[copper patrol]

fucking enucia

[rose thorn]

WHAT THE FUCKKK TAHST TERRIBLE

[arctic talon]

his art is baller as hell

[arctic talon]

The melta incident

[green loom]

He fkn dies at the end of the Badab war

[arctic talon]

[rose thorn]

Didn’t he get shot in the heart?

[arctic talon]

yeah

even better

his powerfist + melta got shot

in the fuel tank

[green loom]

And his 2 cronies res him via chaos juice

[arctic talon]

ruptured his power pack

and he got fucking blown in half

lmao

[crystal forum]

delicious chaos sauce

[green loom]

Now he's on borrowed time and has to keep doing shit to not become a chaos spawn/meat puppet

[arctic talon]

^

[rose thorn]

Lmao ah

[arctic talon]

its also why huron isn't in terminator armor anymore

his original set kind of exploded

[rose thorn]

That’s based

[queen laurel]

Was the bastard who shot him using fallout VATS what the fuck?

[crystal forum]

terminator armour is for losers anyways

[arctic talon]

good question

it was a chapter master

of I forgot what chapter

this is his funny forgeworld model

yes the face is hideous

[copper patrol]

he looks cool as fuck tho

otherwise

[crystal forum]

weird shoulder placement

[copper patrol]

but it's forge world

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld can't do faces

to save their lives most of the time

[copper patrol]

they can't do a lot of things well

from what I hear

also double claw is pretty based

[queen laurel]

Your right, i prefer centurions

[rose thorn]

Sorry I mentally clocked out who tf is that?

[arctic talon]

its huron

before chaos

[rose thorn]

WHAT

[crystal forum]

i wish more stories had them

[rose thorn]

HE LOST HIS BALLER ASS GREY HAIR

Chaos does terrible things

[copper patrol]

remember

[rose thorn]

Also holy shit a space marine with normal grey hair

[green loom]

Chaos does seem to cause terminal baldness

[queen laurel]

That's the weapon of the dawn of war imperial guard officer hero

[copper patrol]

being bald means you are probably evil

[queen laurel]

I forgot what that guy was called

[copper patrol]

vance mf stubbs

[arctic talon]

that is why a lot of people in the imperium are bald

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/hey-white-page-gif-12653337

[arctic talon]

what

[rose thorn]

Average ‘old’ space marine hair color

[copper patrol]

why is it like

[rose thorn]

Okay RHAT was the wrong gif

[arctic talon]

I can't see shit lmao

[copper patrol]

[rose thorn]

I meant to send a picture of the color white

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/384490574071463937/1091604404592988160/campfire_cats.gif

[rose thorn]

Apparently I send a gif

[crystal forum]

are centurions canonically super rare or something

[copper patrol]

they are just like

weird

[green loom]

I think they're one of those marine units that just

Never show up

[copper patrol]

they what an inbetween of a terminator and a dreadnought

like functionally

they don't really have a use

[crystal forum]

literally power armour for your power armour

[queen laurel]

I like being over the top very loud with weaponry so i like them

[rose thorn]

They got deep rock galatica ass drill

[queen laurel]

Which is one of the reasons i also like the orcs

[crystal forum]

wtf is an orc

[queen laurel]

My bad

An ork

[crystal forum]

ah ok

[queen laurel]

The amount of customization they can do

On their weapons alone

[rose thorn]

oH GOD THE LOTR LAWYERS ARE COMIN RUN

[copper patrol]

aren't the warhammer fantasy ones just called orcs

without a k

[queen laurel]

Yes

Same with world of warcraft

And japanese anime

[copper patrol]

orc with a c is normal spelling

[rose thorn]

I’m AOS? They are called Orruks

I’m fantasy, I’m not sure

[copper patrol]

in warhammer fantasy no aos

[queen laurel]

In aos yes, but in the original warhammer fantasy they were just called Orcs

[copper patrol]

i like aos but I refuse to call a lot of things by their stupid names

[queen laurel]

Ogor

What the f*** is that

[copper patrol]

lumineth realm lords

[queen laurel]

Ogre is easier motherfucker

[crystal forum]

it really is annoying how GW never uses actual fantasy names

[summer rover]

it's tradmarkable, is what it is

[rose thorn]

Bro what’s wrong with the Ealves

[copper patrol]

Aelves

that one is kinda fine tbh

[rose thorn]

Or the Dun… dundar…?

[copper patrol]

duradin

[rose thorn]

Dundari?

[copper patrol]

that one is also fine

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[copper patrol]

if it's like

[queen laurel]

You like elves?

[summer rover]

GW has a couple of the dumbest legal advisors supporting the world's dumbest executives, which is why it happens.

[copper patrol]

their offical name but shorthand is still dwarves'

[green loom]

Orruk

[green loom]

SHORThand?

[summer rover]

hell, dwarfs already HAD a copyrighted name in warhammer, they're the Dawi.

[plush mason]

imaging being shorter than your chaos worshiping cousin

[copper patrol]

Orruk, ogors are two of the worst ones

[queen laurel]

I prefer the chaos dwarfs because of their very cool mobility scooters

And my god their machinery

[crystal forum]

don't make fun of a species that can punch you in the balls at any time

[copper patrol]

and the overall names for some factions is dumb

[rose thorn]

They did high elves boring in AOS, the dark elves and wood elves tho

They got a glow up

[plush mason]

and death trains

[queen laurel]

They make some of the coolest shit

[green loom]

Dark Elves are due still, haven't gotten Umbraneth yet

[copper patrol]

just have the horny bait ones

[rose thorn]

Yeah but they have probably the best cities lore

Out of the main subfaction

Also deepkin technically

[queen laurel]

I would definitely ride a K'daai destroyer to battle, and my god the thing looks absolutely crispy on total war warhammer 3

[rose thorn]

Sidenote; can we talk about trh old dark elves name real quick?

[green loom]

I like Hammerhal and Greywater Fastness

[rose thorn]

My tired ass misread it so hard

Naggarothi

[copper patrol]

the sound design in the trailer for the K'daai destroyer is just 10/10

[green loom]

Oh right Not!NorthAmerica

Full of Not!Americans on their Not!AircraftCarriers

Gathering slaves

[plush mason]

yeah. no oil so cant be the Americans

[rose thorn]

Shout out to my Scottish friend who broke down the fact that DA are Americans to me lmao

[copper patrol]

i mean that's where it is on the map

[green loom]

WHF was VERY unsubtle

[copper patrol]

hmm

I wonder what nippon is supposed to be

[green loom]

Or Cathay

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thonk-meme-gif-11987870

or ind

or araby

[green loom]

Or Bretonnia

Or Albion

[queen laurel]

Bro i got a close-up look of the Orc sla- I mean labourers and they look better than the older Orcs

[copper patrol]

I think they said why they called them labourers

in the recent qa

[green loom]

Forced labour is still labour ig

[copper patrol]

it was to be like, the dark elves use their slaves for torture and pleasure and other fuckery, the chaos dwarves use them for labor, they do not give a shit about them other then for labor

[plush mason]

tbf Araby wasnt that bad. it was hella stereotypical but not offensively so. mainly because it was mostly the cool stereotypes

[copper patrol]

I mean cathay is cool now as well

[plush mason]

yeah

[copper patrol]

nippon hasn't been updated and ho boy

the old stuff is bad

[plush mason]

yeah

[green loom]

There was never a Nippon, it's just Clan Eshin now

[copper patrol]

[rose thorn]

Who would be the warhammer fantasy Canadians

[green loom]

"Honda Susuki"

[copper patrol]

also dark elves

[rose thorn]

Fair

[copper patrol]

they live mostly in the north of naggaroth I think right

[crystal forum]

if there's nissan then where's the toyota city

[copper patrol]

toyota is the magic sword

that sanyo kawaski wields

[green loom]

Enchanted blade folded a trillion bazillion times

Strong enough to cut through the thickest of manga

[copper patrol]

I think there is chaos worshiping humans in the north

like

farther north

[rose thorn]

By god. Tzeentch Hortons

[crystal forum]

wait there's kamikaze

[rose thorn]

Khornes poutinerie

[crystal forum]

how more disrespectful can you be

[copper patrol]

there is worse stuff tbf

and I think all this was mostly throw away

[green loom]

There's still the naked ashigaru

[copper patrol]

pygmies

[crystal forum]

imagine GW depicts characters from that region with buck teeth and straw hats

[copper patrol]

remember a lot of this stuff was written by a bunch of nerds that live in like middle england in the 80s

I think there is like

maybe 1 offical depiction