40k-lore-chat

[coarse pumice]

lead was much nicer to work with

than the replacement alloy

[open pumice]

its also

you know

[coarse pumice]

Just don't eat it

[open pumice]

carcinogenic

[open pumice]

it's not an eat thing actually

you can get lead poisoning from the touch

[crisp heath]

hm, no, I wouldn't solder them because apparently they just tossed whatever scraps of metal they could get their hands on into a pot and melted it down, which is predictable

[open pumice]

Pewter

the replacement was pewter

[green loom]

Cut to old GW melting down a WW2 era crusader for mini metal

[crisp heath]

lowkey lead is great to work with, but I do not recommend anyone work with lead lmao

[coarse pumice]

pewter was more brittle

[crisp heath]

Lead is the easiest metal to work with, hands down

[open pumice]

I as a matter of fact strongly recommend against using lead

[crisp heath]

Shame about that "kills you" thing

[coarse pumice]

I don't remember if it was a lead alloy or pure lead

[crisp heath]

Lead alloy

[coarse pumice]

Once you painted it, there's no contact anymore

[crisp heath]

Just random white metals, which happens to include lead

[open pumice]

atleast

they stopped using finecast

for the most part

[crisp heath]

it's the kind of metallurgy the rats in your basement would practice when they finally rise up

[open pumice]

Forgeworld isn't real

[green loom]

What even was finecast

[open pumice]

resin

resin minis

[green loom]

Skavenmaxxing

[open pumice]

GW really had a thing for giving players toxic substances

[green loom]

I mean everyone did at the time

At least it wasn't Radium

[open pumice]

yeah

but GW still gives us resin kits

now

like

last week

[green loom]

[crisp heath]

Look I'm going to be real man

Every mini will kill you

They're all toxic

Even the plastic ones

[open pumice]

yes

[green loom]

It do be a pretty toxic spending habit

[open pumice]

but plastic doesn't kill you to breath when you brush it a bit

you can't develope a clinical allergy to plastic by using it in its liquid form too often

[crisp heath]

Shoutout to my boss who told me not to eat the paint when I pointed out it was probably leaded

[open pumice]

plastic has the benefit of only being lethal whenyour being a dumbass

[coarse pumice]

iirc the lead in models wasn't anywhere as near as dangerous as lead paints or fumes

[green loom]

Do you have a detailed walkthrough on "how to be a dumbass" to where it's lethal

[open pumice]

not just passively being malicious on my des

[crisp heath]

Oh no, it's even better! Plastic is our generations equivalent to lead and will probably shave a few years off everyone's lifespan

[open pumice]

belt sander, models, alot of them, dont wear a mask

[open pumice]

microplastics spcifically

[coarse pumice]

resin was their worst material

[open pumice]

and it's not because it's in the models you paint

it's because were duping it into our water supply

[green loom]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how painful is it

[coarse pumice]

like with lead pipes

[open pumice]

i5?

[crisp heath]

Anyway my point stands because if I buy a mini I refuse to paint it before doing a taste test for quality, I am being exposed to potentially harmful substances

[open pumice]

true

[green loom]

*it

[open pumice]

i drink the paint for the quality test

[open pumice]

uhh, idk

i havent exactlytried to commit suicide by lung shredding with ground up HIPS plastic

your gonna need alot of models tho

you could also just eat them

[coarse pumice]

I think the lead in minis was pretty safe as far as lead goes, as you have minimal contact with it in construction (glue to base) and once painted no contact at all

[crisp heath]

One time my dog ate a plastic trashbag and shat it out whole in one long piece so it's probably fine

[open pumice]

but your body will reject it before it does any real harm

[green loom]

I'll get a krieg kit to test

[open pumice]

if you want death by resin

just

get a bottle fo resin

[green loom]

You know, for research

[sleek wigeon]

yeah nah kriegers would kill you
one exeption to the rule

[open pumice]

but it in a soda stream

c h u g

[crisp heath]

Get a resin model, paint it with leaded paint

[sleek wigeon]

catch me at 40, chugging down a pot of nuln oil to shade in my artificial windpipe

[open pumice]

can't have unshaded windpipes

can't wait til the future when i can finally cut my lungs out and become oe with the machine

[sleek wigeon]

I just imagine somewhere on mars they have a pool of nuln they dip all their vehicles in

[crisp heath]

I used to be big on that transhumanist shizz but then I grew up and my new future is growing live mushrooms in my flesh so that I merge with the mycelial network and can commune directly with the plants, fungi and bacteria

[open pumice]

anyway its 3 am and I have work in the morning

gnite

[sleek wigeon]

gn mate

[crisp heath]

nini!

[green loom]

Back to advocating killing krieg

[sleek wigeon]

the lamer steel legion

[vale shuttle]

based and shroompilled

[crimson kayak]

Just saying, but scouts are not marines for the simple reason that we'll... They are not on a biological level, they still lack some of the organs and stuff

(also primaris fixed it by basically removing scouts)

[rough condor]

On the topic of annoying 40k fans, I have been fortunate enough to only experience one problem out of dozens of GOOD eggs

They insisted on having female Deathwatch marines with blue guns, outrageous. But aside from that, they were just kinda rough to talk to

[crimson kayak]

Lol

Like, I can understand fem-marines and that whole discussion... I'm more interested in why is the gun blue lol

[rough condor]

That got to me more

Only because the DW are my favourite faction due to them basically being the black ops of Space Marines and their ties to the inquisition, hence the red

[queen laurel]

My brother in Christ sister of battle exist

[coarse pumice]

there was the old unofficial female space marines chapter, the little sisters of purification

[rough condor]

Exactly, I did a dangerous thing even bringing up the concept of fem marines but there are so many badass females in the lore and tabeltop

[queen laurel]

Yes that's why i'm confused on why they want female space marines

[sleek wigeon]

tbh I could see female astartes as one of the legions that got purged

as in, gene seed got that fucked or was found incompatible with women, the legion was deemed unsalvageable, all records of them were expunged and all marines purged

hence no female astartes there on out

[vale shuttle]

it's because space marines have a supremely privileged place in the hobby. they're the primary protagonist and antagonist faction, get the most models and novels, and have the most characters, and have a fairly large scope for homebrewing

so excluding women from all of that for an extremely flimsy lore reason is questionable

||the real reason there's no female space marines is that nerds didn't buy female space marines in the 80s and 90s so they got shelved, lore made up to justify it, and now we're stuck with it since some people are extremely quick to defend it for some reason||

[sleek wigeon]

if GW were to canonize it, I think what I wrote would suffice
emprah tried and failed, but the failure lead to the eventual SoB?

and even then you could write them in with Cawl being the wildcard he is

[green loom]

Huh

What does SoB have to do with any of this kek

[vale shuttle]

SoB are like 100% the fill-in for female space marines, i think that if we had female spcae marines we'd probably have SoB instead be like "Adeptus Paladinus" or something

and it'd just be a mixed gender army

[vale shuttle]

i wish this was done, because then we could've put this argument to bed lmao

it seems instead we're doomed to stick with it forever, it's the goddamn "Does the Balrog have wings?" of 40k

[sleek wigeon]

still not too late lmao

[green loom]

Does the balrog have bals

[vale shuttle]

did tolkien every write about the balrog's balcock

[sleek wigeon]

did han shoot first?

[vale shuttle]

does the balrog cum lava?

[coarse pumice]

seeds of Sisters of Battle were seeded in the first 40k book

ironically, in the picture, she looked bigger and more intimidating to the space marine she was fighting

though Space Marines were more 'normal' back then

Sister Sin

this was in the first 40k rulebook

[sleek wigeon]

holy shit

why did GW get rid

:(

[vale shuttle]

damn that's a rad piece of art

[sleek wigeon]

speaking of sisters though
I dig em after watching hammer & bolter

[vale shuttle]

i recently painted up my first squad of sisters of battle

had so much fun i've decided to go and get a sisters of battle army

even wrote up my own lil' loredoc for 'em

[green loom]

They're quite stylish

[vale shuttle]

they've got more personality than space marines IMO

[green loom]

I like polearm sisters the most

[green loom]

No way, more personality than flat panels?

[vale shuttle]

i'm super excited to get the boarding patrol which comes with polearm sisters!!!

[sleek wigeon]

nice
I'm doing admech for my first ever minis and its been hell
if my left hand could talk it would not be happy with all the times i've accidentally cut it

[crisp heath]

Oh the balrog doesn't have balls!

[vale shuttle]

look, i found an image of a space marine's personality

[sleek wigeon]

clearly I should have gone with my original plan (iron hands)

[vale shuttle]

next time go with your heart

if your heart says "iron hands" go iron hands!!!

[queen laurel]

Honestly a lot of space marines personalities can be boiled down to the sentence, for the emperor

[sleek wigeon]

my heart still is admech lol
as painful as they are to do because newbie, I love them

[crisp heath]

Since the balrog is a fallen maia we can assume that it doesn't have a corporeal body, only a raiment, and it's known that the raiment is purely for visual purposes and generally lacks anatomy- to an extent, the clothing a wizard wears is an extension of their raiment and there's really not anything underneath. Gandalf refers to "nakedness" as being without raiment, that is, in a purely spiritual state. So no, balrogs don't have balls.

[vale shuttle]

yeah space marines suffer from a terminal case of "lacking-personality-itis"

[vale shuttle]

does the balrog have wings

[crisp heath]

I dunno prolly

[vale shuttle]

deft, intelligent avoidance of a controversial topic

hats off to you, strawb

[queen laurel]

I confuse this from the
Balrog from lord of the rings

[vale shuttle]

no that's the controversy!!!

[vale shuttle]

does the balrog have wings is a very controversial but also kinda pointless argument in the tolkien community

so it's similar to female space marines for 40k

[vale shuttle]

40k fans and bashing a meme into the ground: name a more iconic duo

[queen laurel]

I like Krieg, but jesus christ they are not something worth making a religion for

I find them cool that's it

[coarse pumice]

it's kind of a shame how orks and eldar have dropped in popularity

when I started, I think they were the 2nd and 3rd most popular armies overall

[sleek wigeon]

eldar sympathy?
straight in the book

[queen laurel]

You mean like amount of people that like them?

[sleek wigeon]

but yeah jokes aside
I think I hear the least about tau and eldar

[coarse pumice]

yeah, and overall player base

[vale shuttle]

in my circles it's definitely eldar

[queen laurel]

Yeah, Back then the big three of gw was Orks, eldar, and space marines of course

[coarse pumice]

actually I do see more people actually play Eldar in games than talk about them online lol

[vale shuttle]

eldar just have such an old model range it's hard to want to get into them when everything else is cooler looking it feels

[queen laurel]

And hey Orks get orktober

[coarse pumice]

Eldar and Orks were like the two sides of the xenos coin back then, representative of the extremes of humanoid xenos you would see (though they do share quite a lot underneath)

Tyranids were more of an inhuman threat

I think the original tyranid models are more disturbing and scary than the new ones, which are more like 'cool bugs'

the old ones looked like there was something wrong with them

[queen laurel]

Modern day tyranids definitely take on more sleeker dinosaur bug aesthetics

If not, kraken octopus thingie

[coarse pumice]

yeah

the thing about modern ones is they look cool, like something you'd put on your sports team logo

[queen laurel]

And yes seeing the latest termigaunt model makes this even clearer now

[coarse pumice]

the old ones were unsettling

doesn't look like a cool creature, but something with bizarre alien morphology that stands in a weird way

[sleek wigeon]

makes sense given how warcrimey some of their weaponry is

unsettling troops, unsettling weapons

scary ass mofos

[queen laurel]

Man ET really let himself go

[vale shuttle]

geigeresque

they look very weird

[queen laurel]

The fuck is that, a tyranid hive prince?

[green loom]

A hive tyrant

[coarse pumice]

the old hive tyrant

that karking grin

[queen laurel]

They look way too similar to a Dawn of war daemon prince

[hardy root]

Atleast they kinda wrote in a reason as to why they look more like this today with them.constantly adapting and changing based on what they fight or eat

[crisp heath]

I prefer modern nids, I think the old ones look a bit too dorky, but I think part of that is also the colors used in the official designs

[coarse pumice]

the old carnifex

[coarse pumice]

they have a kind of 'dinosaurs gone wrong' vibe

[copper patrol]

a lot of the real old stuff is super dorky looking

[crimson kayak]

Realistic "what if dinosaurs evolved instead of humans" be like

[vale shuttle]

dinosauroid in 40k when

[simple sparrow]

Was Morrow in DT part of the steel legion considering he wears a similar jacket?

[copper patrol]

yes

[sleek wigeon]

aye, its mentioned in a voiceline somewhere

think one of the rejects is sus of him being genestealed too

[simple sparrow]

Oh wow I always looked at him and was like he's wearing a steel legion coat but I thought it was just a coincidence

I don't think I've heard the voiceline

[green loom]

It's mentioned he fought in the 2nd(?) war for Armageddon

Or that's what the characters heard

And that his transport got stuck in the warp for a long while

[simple sparrow]

Oh yeah I heard the warp part but I must've missed the armageddon part

[sleek wigeon]

listening to some lines now and here's what I got on morrow:
-only survivor on a golgotha-class ship stranded in the warp
-fought in the battle of Macragge (2nd armageddon war?)

[green loom]

Macragge and Armageddon are basically the entire galaxy apart lol

Apparently he fought at Hades Hive specifically

[sleek wigeon]

there are a few lines suggesting morrow might be suspicious, both coming from psykers iirc
seer points out how confusing morrow's past is and gets shushed by a zealot + vet
another says there was a morrow at macragge and armageddon, finds it a little suspect but gets told time is only relative in the warp

[crimson kayak]

The macragge and Armageddon one is explained as his ship was said to be stuck in the warp for a while

[gloomy citrus]

Ask the Exodites.

[storm jungle]

I heard Morrow also fought in the Siege of Terra

[crimson kayak]

Inb4 Morrow is actually ollanious all along

[storm jungle]

Alas if only

[crimson kayak]

Be like the kroot, evolve back into dino's

[rose thorn]

Requirements; one dinosaur

[plush mason]

so he was on a factory ship?

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Golgotha_Class_Factory_Ship

got to love the literal 1 line of lore kek

[crimson kayak]

Btw technically we are using artificer level gear, as hadron says we have access to artificer services

[storm jungle]

Im still waiting for red-tier weapons in the game

[crimson kayak]

(also apparently they added a voiceline regarding the lion's return)

[storm jungle]

[crimson kayak]

Also is it me or the last updates also added new squad chatter?

[celest dome]

Now if we managed to datamine the full voice line packs, we might be able to find some neat stuff, as it might mean that future warhammer stuff is already prepared

[crimson kayak]

I mean someone did manage to extrapolate some voicelines from ambient audio

So we are getting there

[storm jungle]

They did yeah

especially the

Teammate too far from squad

"GET THE FUCK BACK HERE"

[plush mason]

i noticed

i also noticed one of the zealot personalities says afeared and not afraid which is a really nice touch

[storm jungle]

Yeah i get really freaked out when the characters actually have conversations

when its usually

Character says line

Other character responds with something that doesn't correlate as a response to the first line at all

Its very soulless at times

[plush mason]

yeah

like just now my vet asked "the daemon is bound to this structure yes?" and the pilot responded "no such luck, some sectors are riddled with it"

which prompted the zealot to respond with "be not afeared kindred for the god emperor is with us"

[coarse pumice]

to be fair, with the zealot that statement seems perfectly in character for that (or any) scenario

[plush mason]

yup

it just fit and flowed with the convo perfectly so it was really nice

[storm jungle]

I genuinely hate that "dialogue" yeah

[celest dome]

What does afeared mean ? English isn't my 1st language

[plush mason]

its an older way of saying afraid

[storm jungle]

Fancy way of saying "afraid"

yeah that

the zealots use archaic english a lot

[plush mason]

yup

which is a really nice touch and fits extremely well with their over all character fantasy

[celest dome]

Oh, nice. Kinda like that Darktide is teaching me some English words

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

the zealots are prob the best for that

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

they use LOTS of complex english words modern day people dont speak anymore

one zealot literally speaks in medieval english too

"Dost thee not heed thy warnings?"

[plush mason]

i love it but only when it fits with what is going on

[storm jungle]

Same

otherwise its like

"Is this person even listening to what my character is saying"

[coarse pumice]

the agitator zealot right?

then they complain that melk criticizes their high gothic or something

[plush mason]

i guess

[storm jungle]

Thats Judge

Agitator's entire medieval-speech is also an act apparently

Loose Cannon says he heard her "swear like a sailor" back in the bar on the mourning star and speak normally

which is

[coarse pumice]

lmao

I want to hear more agitator lines, but I don't think she's rolled that often

[plush mason]

there is a bar on the mourning star?

[storm jungle]

Yep

you see it in a cutscene and in the trailer

im guessing we will get access to it at some point

💀

[plush mason]

if it is in one of those closed doors by the techshrine i really really hope they open it up at some point

[coarse pumice]

her voice actor also did the maiden/demon Astraea in Demons Souls

[storm jungle]

That explains a lot

[storm jungle]

It deffo will since the hub is super dead for activities

[plush mason]

yeah

[coarse pumice]

"take your precious demon soul"

[shadow plover]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2023/03/29/lion-eljonson-rules-revealed-10000-years-of-rest-havent-dulled-his-epic-combat-skills/

some lore snippets as well

[plush mason]

idk why but i read rest as rust at first lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTI3-gIUzTo

all 3 LL look and play great so i may just have to make 3 separate campaigns lol

[crimson kayak]

tbf i'd like to actually know what characters are even gonna do in the bar, unless they straight up copy drg and make buff-drinks or something

[storm jungle]

I hope they do

[near wasp]

I mean just having a spot to hang out and get drinks would be great

[celest dome]

Let us play Not-Gwent in the bar

[storm jungle]

the best kind of hub area is where you hang out so long in it that you forgot you got an actual game to play

like imagine playing darktide but for 2 hours you wasted just playing cards with a random ogryn on the mourningstar

lmao

[crimson kayak]

just get the licence for horus heresy legion and put it in the game

[storm jungle]

Oh my god just imagine

some random zealot walks up

"I got the Warmaster Deck pilgrim, challenge me"

https://tenor.com/view/yu-gi-oh-time-to-duel-card-gif-12403495

[near wasp]

Id love to play regicide with my psyker against a zealot

[plush mason]

i mean. everyone knows the best part of DRG is the abyss bar

[crimson kayak]

tbf drg works also because the hub is limited to your current team

[storm jungle]

True but like i said anything that makes you waste at least an hour in it instead of playing the game is great hub area design

[crimson kayak]

instead of having two different hubs for mission and activities

[storm jungle]

minigames go a long way for that

[celest dome]

DRG should have let us play football with the barrels, and Ice Hockey during the Winter season

[crimson kayak]

there's goalposts and a ball somethwere in the hub

[near wasp]

Dice and cards would be great. Let me gamble away all my dockets

I dont care if the emperor calls it a sin

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/mighty-need-invader-zim-shouting-screaming-scared-gif-17581419

[celest dome]

Let us gamble Diamantine, not like it has more use

[storm jungle]

Imagine if its like TF2 Trading where you can get scammed

i can see the reddit threads already

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-of-the-caribbean-gif-21841403

[near wasp]

There fault for trusting the insane psyker

[storm jungle]

Oh my god

psyker players will be hated even more now for possible mindreading/cheating

[celest dome]

If someone scammed the Ogryn, that's just plain evil

[storm jungle]

"My beloved said you got an ace of spades, no cap."

[near wasp]

I wouldnt ever cheat an ogryn mostly because they could rip me in half

[storm jungle]

Lmao

the Bully ogryn would find out instantly

[near wasp]

Thats the ogryn i play

"Aye little un, howd you get all them dice the same again"

"My beloved says the galaxy must fav-" screams of psyker from the mess hall

[plush mason]

i want to play that card game the 2 vets where playing back in that promotional video

[green loom]

I think they don't use "thou" enough

But ig it's typical Warhammer to not do it correctly on purpose

[plush mason]

also its not really medieval english, more Shakespearian

[green loom]

Middle English be like "Bonjour"

[green loom]

Wee-Wee Bag-ette

[plush mason]

thats French but ofc the Normans did force a shit ton of French and Latin words into english

[green loom]

I'm mostly kidding

French was used mostly for formal proceedings anyway

[near wasp]

It was mostly into the noble side of english that had french words shoved in

[plush mason]

yeah

[green loom]

More a joke that they got gobbled up by the Normies

[plush mason]

and the Danes before them kek

[dense mortar]

Hmm. It seesm the Thousand Sons were on a path that would have inevitably led them to Chaos, regardless of the events of Prospero.

[celest dome]

Yes

[dense mortar]

In which case. . . was it really the Wolves fault?

[celest dome]

?

[crimson kayak]

who... who even ever said that?

the wolves got the order, they went and executed it and got a grudge with a big red boy in the process

[celest dome]

Mate soo deep into the SW coolaid that he doesn't even get what we say

[dense mortar]

Well, I mean, stick with me here. Why are we doing the Month of Shame? If this was an order on high?

[green loom]

They got the order to capture him

Whole lotta good that did

[dense mortar]

'I am sure you will. Prospero will be no easy target. But if anyone can do it, it is the Space Wolves. I entrust this to you personally, Leman Russ. Bring Magnus to me, and we will deal with him justly. I need him at my side.'"

Now. To be Fair.

[green loom]

Magnus was better off dead?

Not untrue!

And it's not like he didn't try his damndest to get killed

Considering he sabotages Prospero's defenses

[near wasp]

Whorus changed the order to kill magnus and the thousand sons

[green loom]

He didn't

Russ got the order

Horus just gave him the idea

[dense mortar]

Are we even sure Magnus is dead?

[near wasp]

Hes a daem9b prince

[green loom]

He's quite alive

At least some parts of him

[near wasp]

He dueled gman on the moon of earth

[dense mortar]

Im talking about Magnus the Primarch

is he still in there?

[green loom]

Oh no he's long gone

The "good" shards mostly died

[plush mason]

yeah iirc part of becoming a daemon prince is having your soul removed so there is nothing left of the Primarch he once was

[green loom]

Khan smashed one and another got stuffed into that loyalist sorcerer that Khan liked

I forget his name

[near wasp]

Janus?

[green loom]

That's his name after

[dense mortar]

Then perhaps, and Im just spitballing here, when Russ had his random vision and took off into the warp to never be seen again . . . perhaps he is still chasing Magnus?

[near wasp]

Magnus is in realspace now

[green loom]

He might just be chasing his tail

[dense mortar]

Is taht recent?

[near wasp]

Yes

[dense mortar]

Hmm, so perhaps a Russ emergence will follow?

[near wasp]

Doubtful at least for a few years

[green loom]

He's been out for like what

7 years now?

[plush mason]

wasnt Russ looking for Isha? ofc he thinks its some "tree of life"

[dense mortar]

I think there is some debate in the SW community about what EXACTLY he left for

[green loom]

He's looking for insert MacGuffin in insert plot device area

[plush mason]

lol

[near wasp]

^ this

[plush mason]

true

GW loves its MacGuffins and Mary Sues thats for sure

[near wasp]

I mean in a world where everything is op

[coarse pumice]

maybe we find Russ never left

[near wasp]

Russ is a loud mouth wed know if he didnt leave

[plush mason]

iirc Magnus hints at knowing where Russ is in his attack on Fenris

[dense mortar]

"The moment hung in time, frozen. Russ regarded him with a heavy gaze. Finally, he spoke, his voice quiet and measured.

‘Aye,’ he said, at length. ‘We’ll leave the wolves to Fenris, for a time.’

Sven was incredulous. ‘My lord? What do you mean? Where will we go?’

The Wolf King looked up, out into the darkness beyond the vast crystal windows. ‘I have no idea,’ he said, at length. ‘But my path will become clear to me.’

He's kind of a rolling stone. Goes wherever the wind takes him

[near wasp]

You mean a lone wolf

[green loom]

Hopefully it takes him to hell, and hopefully he'll stay there

[plush mason]

funny enough that is actual unit in the space wolves chapter kek

[near wasp]

This is why ill never play the space wolves

[coarse pumice]

he had a model and all

[near wasp]

Id rather biuld deathgaurd

[coarse pumice]

as a 40k contemporary

[plush mason]

a lone wolf is a veteran battle brother that lost his squad and now fights as a lone champion

[dense mortar]

"The Lone Wolves are Space Wolves who have become disconnected from their Great Company, either by choice or by circumstances, and have chosen to live as solo operatives. Lone Wolves are considered to be amongst the most formidable warriors of the chapter, but are viewed with suspicion by their battle-brothers. The process of becoming a Lone Wolf is one of personal choice, and is usually undertaken as a result of a Space Wolf warrior feeling that he has something to prove or an internal conflict that he must resolve. Some Lone Wolves operate alone because they believe that it is the only way to pursue a particular objective; others because they are exiles or have been banished from their Great Company."

In essence, the Lone Wolves are Space Wolves who operate independently, separate from the organization of the chapter's Great Companies. They are highly skilled and often viewed with a degree of awe and respect by their fellow Space Wolves, but also with suspicion due to their unconventional way of operating.

Ok I swear I have not gone off the deepend and consumed an unhealthy amount of SW lore. But its funny you mention this because I was just reading about them this morning.

[green loom]

Can we get another Warzone Fenris

I need an excuse to kill Space Wolves

[plush mason]

lol

[green loom]

I hope the 1431413222 theories Valrak put out about a war on Krieg are also true
Can't wait to see more of them die

[plush mason]

so Magnus can forget he is a Psyker again? sure

[near wasp]

You need to read something other than space marines, for at least 1 book

[dense mortar]

Im going to read the Eisenhorn omnibus next.

[crimson kayak]

something other than space wolves i might precise

[plush mason]

nah too much SM lore is very very very bad for your brain

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/i-forgot-gif-22505615

[plush mason]

regardless of chapter

[green loom]

I wanna read Azrael stuff

He seems cool

[crimson kayak]

tbf, there's a debate on why any of the primarchs actually fucked off

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-asmodai-repent-make-him-repent-gif-18135020

[green loom]

Azrael may or may not have let Luther go

That alone makes him giga based

[dense mortar]

I dont konw much about the entirety of the Primarchs, but isnt odd that they all just kind of left. . .at one point or another

like. . Meh the emperors fked, we;re out.

[green loom]

Most died, and like 2 actually left

[plush mason]

Dorn is dead

[green loom]

Khan was chasing some goons, Dorn is probably dead, Lion was super-wounded, Guilliman had his throat cut, Ferrus is dead, Sangy is dead, Vulkan is probably dead but maybe not
Only ones who up and left were Corvus and Russ

[dense mortar]

Was there a reasons for the exit of the Primarchs?

[near wasp]

Corvus went daemon mode and is tormenting lorgar

[dense mortar]

from a narrative aspect

[crimson kayak]

dorn is dead, sanguinius became the sanguinor i think?, ferrus apparently leads the legion of the damed, corax/kahn/russ are fucking off in the warp somewhere, guilly and lion alive and vulkan is doing vulkan stuff i don't know

[green loom]

Corvus went revenge-crazy and left on his own to kill everyone, Russ we dunno

[plush mason]

like afaik the only Loyalist Primarchs that could come back are Papasmurf, The Lion, Russ and Vulkan because he is a perpetual

[green loom]

The Sanguinor iirc is a Sanguinary guard juiced up with warp stuff who is now the entity representing the "noble side" of the BA

[celest dome]

Isn't the Month of shame about something else ?

[plush mason]

Sanquinius got broken in half by Horus

[green loom]

What it is definitely not is Sanguinius, who shows up separately from mister Sanguinor

[near wasp]

The months of shame are a fight between the grey knights and the space wolves

[crimson kayak]

dunno why but i remember some manifestation of sanguinius appearing somewhere

[dense mortar]

Yes, a previous war. Dont konw why i put it as Prospero. I guess because Russ is said to have been ashamed of how he over reacted

[green loom]

Devastation of Baal

[near wasp]

He appeared in dantes death dreams

[celest dome]

Dorn went from KIA to MIA

[green loom]

Shows up to Dante as he's about to die

[plush mason]

because of the Inquisition being big dumb after the first war of Armageddon like always lol

[dense mortar]

Was there a reason the GW transitioned away from Primarchs? To evolve the story?

[green loom]

Tells him "lol no" and flings his soul back into his body, much to his chagrin

[celest dome]

So once again you're being a clown like the SW usually are

[crimson kayak]

primarch actually got added later if i remember correctly?

[near wasp]

Because primarchs are op and it wouldnt allow the church of the imperium to form.

[green loom]

They weren't present when the setting was evolving and it was when they were hardcore on them being only in the heresy to keep things mysterious or something

[green loom]

A few of the primarchs have been around for a long while, like Russ, who used to be a regular joe

[celest dome]

Primarch started as a background fluff, like the Emperor, and then became more active forces, not the other way around

[near wasp]

Horus used to just be a commander

Like a normal human commander

[celest dome]

Yeah, at the time Primarch wasn't really fixed on what it was

[dense mortar]

Is there a guiding vision for the narrative in this world. Or is it basically just "here ya go, you write this book and just kinda do what you want with it"

[green loom]

"What will make us money?"

[near wasp]

Theres alot of narritive talk but the lore wasnt always as flushed out. 40k is old and as such has evolved more into its current identity

[crimson kayak]

the second mostly, but some writers actually try to keep a semblance of coherency

[green loom]

Nowadays very loosely guided by ongoing series/narratives

[dense mortar]

To me, as a fantasy guy, a well brainstormed far reaching, interconnected story that follows a universe of people that all tie together

[celest dome]

Basically there is a Black Library, they make the book/Lore canon or not, it's made of Writers and long time GW people

[green loom]

Say loosely because they tend to get ditched halfway through(See: Arks of Omen, Psychic Awakening, Pariah Nexus)

[crimson kayak]

See:any recent gw effort at trying to understand what the fuck they did with the great rift

[dense mortar]

How angry would the longstanding Warhammer fanbase be if GW did a DC style reboot to re-align everything?

[celest dome]

Very

Like

[near wasp]

Very

[crimson kayak]

see age of sigmar reception when it was announced

[celest dome]

Very very

[green loom]

The oldheads would not be happy
See: Fantasy to AoS

[crimson kayak]

then they would stuck their mouth to their ass and still buy mini's

[celest dome]

Or better yet, look at the End Time reception

[green loom]

Though AoS is quite good imho

[celest dome]

AoS is great

If you separate it from the End Times

[crimson kayak]

i kinda like it except for the whole plains of reality thing

[near wasp]

40k is better off being an unreliable mess, as history would be if shit was as fucked as it was in 40k

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zJLMRNg_NpY

Shameless plug for this guy because the vids are good

[crimson kayak]

like, if they kept the whole thing and stuck it on idk, a new version of the Known World

considering it was a reboot anyway

[near wasp]

Gw didnt exactly handle the end of fantasy well

[crimson kayak]

i would have preferred it personally

eh, as i said only the fact of the various different realms connected via portals and shit i don't like

[dense mortar]

I think you could do a reboot, but trick warhammer fans into thinking its not a reboot

Like a New 52 reboot. Like, is it a reboot or did the entire universe get destroyed and recreated by <insert catalcysmic event>

[crimson kayak]

that's literally age of sigmar

[green loom]

So a soft reboot

[dense mortar]

Oh and that was not a success?

[green loom]

Not initially, early AoS SUCKED and the reception was not good

[near wasp]

It wouldnt be a good idea especially now

[green loom]

It's good now, arguably great

[dense mortar]

Well how much "umpf" did they put behind it? These reboots are all or nothing. Either you commit or dont.

[green loom]

The lore is really cool

[green loom]

They blew up the old planet and killed literally everyone

[crimson kayak]

and even then it would accomplish little consider how much more attached the 40k fanbase is to their old stuff

fantasy was more manageable

[dense mortar]

so is AoS like current lore? Or is it an else worlds or off shooot?

[crimson kayak]

current lore

[green loom]

It's officially the successor to fantasy and has some callbacks

But it stands mostly on it's own two feet

[crimson kayak]

old world goes boom in the end times, some entities ascend into godhood and basically carve their space realms

[dense mortar]

and does it work?

[green loom]

Quite well I'd say

[crimson kayak]

but less space space and more planar existence space

[dense mortar]

and did the warhammer fans make it through?

[green loom]

Some of them

Others

well

[crimson kayak]

some yes, some not, ench why gw kept the old world line up

while also selling aos

[storm jungle]

Short version:

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/986935709569011722/1056604008883683378/image.png?width=492&height=612

[dense mortar]

So they did the reboot, lost fans, and brought back the old world line up to appease? Thus throwing off the balance of a new universe?

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warhammer/comments/3ct3ed/man_burns_warhammer_army_in_protest_of_age_of/

[storm jungle]

They didnt lose anyone

AOS is making tons of money and has lots of fans

[crimson kayak]

nah they didn't, old world just gets model without story/set before the end times anymore

[green loom]

Yes

It's quite great

[crimson kayak]

aos is good

[near wasp]

It just would be terrible to try with 40k

[storm jungle]

Warhammer Fantasy was literally dying and everyone back then hated about how shitty the game was.

Now they rage about how Fantasy is dead as if they even gave a shit when it was on its last breaths.

Its genuinely ironic.

[green loom]

https://warhammerfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Age_of_Three_Emperors

This is the story for Old World

Figure it'll focus more on skirmish battles between "Your dudes" like in ye olden times

[crimson kayak]

that's why i like battletech for sci fi settings, the your dudes is amplified to max there

or killteam

[green loom]

I'd almost argue that, between AoS/Old World and the Total War/Vermintide games, fantasy is MORE popular now

[storm jungle]

Ehhhh kinda

Warhammer Fantasy is still incredibly niche

unless you know of its existence you'd have no idea it even exists

[near wasp]

I play both vermintide and total war but the setting isnt my favorite. I much prefer 40k

[green loom]

I love the factions

But it's very

Static

[celest dome]

If AoS was to get some love project it would really be great

[storm jungle]

AoS is currently a little past its infancy

its slowly growing

But its making profits so GW is satisfied with it currently

[green loom]

Hopefully they pop out an actual game soon and not another turn based cash grab

[storm jungle]

The armies and the easy accessibility is also a huge factor at play here too.

Compared to like 40k

where it has 30 years of bloat

also mostly shitty rules lmao

[near wasp]

They need to simplify in 10th

[green loom]

They are iirc

They're apparently moving 40k to be more like AoS ruleswise

[celest dome]

They are trying

[storm jungle]

Its probably gonna be the same as 9th ed

I dont even play tabletop tho so i enjoy the chaos (:

[green loom]

But hey I don't play the game so what do I know

[near wasp]

I wanna play the game

[storm jungle]

Tabletop is legit the last thing i care about too

[green loom]

I tried playing

My attention span cannot sustain it

[celest dome]

In how many years do you think AoS will be ready for a Total War game, or a good Rts game ?

[arctic talon]

Tbh this is the most balanced 40k has been ever

Historically

[green loom]

Though maybe with physical models it'd be easier, I'm sure as shit not running to belgrade so I can play

[arctic talon]

Every actual non supliment faction is within a 5% wr of each other

[green loom]

Hopefully never for Total War, idk if they could make it work

[crimson kayak]

A good standard rts is already rare these days

[green loom]

Also anyone asking for 40k Total War is probably deluded

[arctic talon]

AoS would work for total war

[crimson kayak]

Total war just wouldn't work

[arctic talon]

But 40k absolutely not

[shadow plover]

people complaining about fantasy dying again and blaming AoS for it?

[celest dome]

Total War wouldn't work for anything past WW1 tech wise

[arctic talon]

Fantasy sucked as a tabletop game lol

[crimson kayak]

The great War western front could become a good imperial guard simulator if it gets mod support

[arctic talon]

More expensive then 40k to get into

Lmao

[green loom]

How would you solve the realms

[storm jungle]

Reposting again kek

[shadow plover]

also correct

[arctic talon]

Make it all take place in a single one

Boring cop out answer

[storm jungle]

GW and the fans killed Fantasy altogether.

[arctic talon]

I’m aware

[storm jungle]

But mostly GW

[dense mortar]

Here is a good question that I pondered upon earlier in the day as I sat next to a newly bloomed cherry blossom. Is 40k entering a new age? Now think long term about this please. We are getting a large budget series with an extremely high caliber actor and fan.

For 30 years I have dreamt of seeing a Warhammer universe in live action. Now, after 22 years of experience in this industry, I finally feel that I have the skill set and experience to guide a Warhammer Cinematic Universe into life. Partnering with Natalie Viscuso at Vertigo has been a blessing beyond words, without her we might not have found the perfect home at Amazon. And having a home like Amazon will give us the freedom to be true to the massive scope of Warhammer. To all of you Warhammer fans out there, I promise to respect this IP that we love. I promise to bring you something familiar. And I endeavour to bring you something fantastic that is, as of yet, unseen.

Our first steps are to find our Filmmaker/Creator/Writer. Watch this space, my friends.

For The Emperor!

Table top will still be there of course, but revenue may be shifting?

[arctic talon]

Yeah fantasy was dying and not making a profit so GW just blew its head off lmao

[dense mortar]

If this infact does well.

[arctic talon]

Whic is

[storm jungle]

It will shift because "change" means more money

[crimson kayak]

Lolno gw just gives their license to anyone that can try to make them cash

[storm jungle]

nobody at GW cares about the "story" or the lore of this universe

[dense mortar]

Which creates the necessity for more narrative story driven stuff

[storm jungle]

Kinda

[shadow plover]

AoS is pretty much the best resurrection story that I know of though

[green loom]

They're moving down defcons to have more chaos and stuff to make money from

[arctic talon]

Game is prolly the best

[crimson kayak]

if only anyone outside aos fans heard about it

[arctic talon]

Like large scale table top

[celest dome]

Have the 1st game set on 2/3 realms only (Like Total War warhammer only had the Old World). And have 2 map level, one that is basically all the 8 Wind of Magic realm (Forgot their name) and a second map being a non ecludian map with gates that let you port from map 1 to map 2

[arctic talon]

Rules wise

[dense mortar]

Its safe to say Amazon has a solid track record of content

[storm jungle]

oof

Rings of Power Moment

[shadow plover]

Eh I'm not a proper AoS fan, haven't even read any of the books (nor did I fantasy)

[arctic talon]

Also GW does care about their lore

To an extent

[dense mortar]

Theres room to grow with that one.

[storm jungle]

"What made you create the Great Rift?"

"Hello. I like money."

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[crimson kayak]

Just go see the Ultramarines movie, you'll understand

[celest dome]

Black Library novel aren't the greatest anyway

[arctic talon]

People were bitching the story wasn’t progressing

So they literally took a hammer

To it lmao

[dense mortar]

But its clear how passionate Cavill is. With him heading this project up, its going to be decent at minimum

[storm jungle]

and basically nothing has happened since

lmao

[arctic talon]

That’s objectively wrong tho?

[shadow plover]

I do really like 40k and heresy mind you

[green loom]

I keep mixing up awful Netflix shows with awful Amazon shows
I guess it doesn't help all shitty fantasy adaptations are just teen-dramas in denial with the same guy doing outfits and ALWAYS failing at it

[arctic talon]

The warzone books literally have plot progression

[storm jungle]

To what tho

the Pariah Nexus was teased to be this great event

[arctic talon]

Of the imperium getting ducked

[storm jungle]

and it just got tossed into white dwarf magazines

[arctic talon]

Nids won octarius

Metalica fell

[storm jungle]

Dude do you think your common 40k Imperium fan knows any of this stuff

they cant even read

[arctic talon]

[dense mortar]

I am thinking that Warhammer is going to enter a streaming phase, and bring a lot of fans that have no interest in the table top

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

That doesn’t change the fact

GW is progressing the story

[crimson kayak]

But the perimeter sectors humanity uses to keep octarious at bay are still up and running

[arctic talon]

Also most people who play the tabletop know

[storm jungle]

Its a rough bet, GW has handled WH+ extremely badly.

[green loom]

The Imperium getting fucked has been the status quo since the beginning, they're almost always described as an oppressive and declining shit hole barely holding it's lines and losing/reclaiming hundreds of planets on the daily

[arctic talon]

Bcs they bought the warzone books

[near wasp]

Most fans dont care about the tabletop

[celest dome]

There are already quite a bit of the community that doesn't care about the TT

[arctic talon]

They’re just losing now lol

[crimson kayak]

It's not progressing, more like just changing frontlines

[arctic talon]

GW doesn’t give a shit about that part of the fanbase tbf

They don’t make them money

People who buy minis make them the most money

[crimson kayak]

Also apparently now everything can get to terra whenever they want so every defence line is pointless

[green loom]

Only no one can lose, because that means no money, so until that changes
"Barely holding the line" is going to stay

[arctic talon]

Which is why GW always focuses on those

[celest dome]

WH+ is more detrimental to Warhammer than anything else tbh. Should have sold the diffusion right to the mini series to Netflix or Prime or what ever else exist atm

[arctic talon]

still plot progression

[dense mortar]

But aren't they incentivized to have Henry make a kick ass cinematic universe? Esepcially when they look across the pond at LOTRs 1 billion dollar price tag. I mean. . . THATS money.

[arctic talon]

Metalica as a forgeworld shouldn’t be in the next admech codex as a physical planet

[green loom]

It's not plot progression, it's cheap narrative events that won't amount to anything to sell boxes

[arctic talon]

They literally didn’t make new admech minis

For that lmao

Or chaos minis

[celest dome]

But its not the same type of Ip

[arctic talon]

It was literally just lore stuff

And alternate rules

For an army

For minis people already owned

Lol

The only big thing you’d remotely want warzone charadon for

[dense mortar]

I understand that. LOTR is more widely known for sure. But Cavil is VERY well known. And what nerd or action or sci fi fan is not going to watch him as a Space Marine?

[arctic talon]

Was the Metalica supliment

Since the army of renown was in the white dwarf along with warzone charadon

[green loom]

Anyone with appreciation for any range

Cavill is horrifically overrated

[celest dome]

LotR make money due to it's name
Warhammer make money because it has a stable community
For GW, if it work, good, if it doesn't, well nothing gonna change for them

[arctic talon]

^

[green loom]

He's just le funny good looking guy who's a nerd

[arctic talon]

GWs main concern

[crimson kayak]

Also you can hire the best of the best and still make shit don't worry

[green loom]

And also kind of a creep apparently

[arctic talon]

Is literally just selling minis

Lol

For the foreseeable future

[celest dome]

And honestly, I don't care about Cavil, and if the Warhammer show is about SM, I won't even bother looking toward it

[arctic talon]

There’s a reason they’re so safe

As a company

They like making money

And it’s a tried and true method

Ironicially

[celest dome]

And they're sorta good at it

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure Cavill will just be hosting a tabletop show or something anyway.

[arctic talon]

Lol

Would be funny

[green loom]

I don't think they'd be dumb enough to do marines for live action, just in a practical sense it's stupid

Like

[dense mortar]

Well he specicially said he is bringing Warhammer to live action

[arctic talon]

^

Marines don’t fit the medium

[green loom]

Remember the old shorts?

[arctic talon]

For live action

[dense mortar]

So I think its going to be a live action movie or show

[arctic talon]

They’re way too fast

[green loom]

I mean like

[arctic talon]

Lol

[green loom]

OLD shorts

[arctic talon]

Also they’re expensive as fuck

To do in live action

Since they’re big, there’s moving parts

[dense mortar]

They did Halo fairly well. So people in big clunky suits can work on screen for sure.

[near wasp]

Custodes would be worse

[arctic talon]

Marine power armor

Is way bigger

Then halos

[celest dome]

[green loom]

With Mando you can get away with just stealing cosplayers from Pax to serve as extras
With 40k if you grab the average cosplayers from adepticon, they'll have 13333 variations of the same helmet and all be different widths and heights

[arctic talon]

Spartan armor

Is not even comparable imo

In terms of scale

[dense mortar]

Let me clarify. The LOOK and action sequences.

[near wasp]

The only good thing ive seen from the halo show is some of the fight scenes

[arctic talon]

The halo show has good fight scenes

And effects

[green loom]

Ahaha

Did you watch the show

[arctic talon]

No because I don’t give a fuck about halo anymore

Lol

[dense mortar]

How crazy would the fans go if they lightened the armor to make it actually functional in live action?

[plush mason]

RIP the white robed tech bois

[green loom]

Ok because the effects are

[winter vessel]

agreed, but story was...I almost considered Star Wars episode 7,8, 9 tolerable

[green loom]

Imma be honest I've seen shows from the 80s with better effects

[celest dome]

Does anybody anymore ?

[arctic talon]

What saying you’re the purest does to a mf’er

[near wasp]

8 was by far the worst thing ive ever seen

[plush mason]

yup kek

[arctic talon]

Their planet is like

Half plague planet

Quarter forge world

Quarter wasteland now

And it’s getting worse

Average chaos W

[celest dome]

How ?

[arctic talon]

Tbh

[dense mortar]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FdWJ-Njeaig

if they can do that, we can do Space Marines. Your just making reasons to not do it now

[winter vessel]

I mean, would guard costumes be a little less expensive as an asset to Henry's supposed 40k series?

[arctic talon]

The death guard and dark mechanicus did a little bit of trolling

And by that

I mean they stole Metallica’s moon

Corrupted 99% of house raven

[plush mason]

as a Stygis 7 fan i cant help but smile at this info

[arctic talon]

Ruined 70% of the Charadon system

Blew up Metalica

Killed the fabricator general

And killed a few trillion people

[plush mason]

just a little bit of trolling for chaos

[arctic talon]

Chaos W tbh

[near wasp]

Only a few trillion

[arctic talon]

Also they grey knights killed a few million more

Because of chaos taint

[arctic talon]

It was only 1 group of the death guard, daemons and the dark mechanicus lol

Metalica doesn’t have any friends

They only people who came literally came out of contractual obligations

[winter vessel]

Without context, "blew up Metallica" makes it sound like the Dark Mech killed the band.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[plush mason]

tbf that isnt even a fraction of a percent of the total imperial pop so it isnt that big of a deal

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But it’s a major forgeworld

[green loom]

2022 VFX

Truly the peak of animation

[arctic talon]

The main issue is it can’t produce stuff anymore

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[green loom]

He's like

20 meters from him

And Infront of him too

[near wasp]

Sir thats a picture not an animation

[green loom]

So it randomly switches to a side shot

[arctic talon]

I will be very sad

If Metalica recovers as a planet

[green loom]

His shadow is a circle and he's floating

[arctic talon]

Make them into a roaming forge fleet

Like gryphon IV

Also Metalica is in huge debt to a lot of imperium factions now as well lul

[near wasp]

Im trolling

[arctic talon]

Since they called for help

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

And they can’t pay for their services

Because you know

The planet is ruined

Also they’re all starving

[near wasp]

Astriod forge fleet time

[arctic talon]

Because the death guard blew up their farming colonies

And agriworlds

[green loom]

Average imperial world moment

[arctic talon]

The only agriworld left is an ocean one

[celest dome]

Having Metalica turn to becoming a War Fleet that just goes on piracy to get Xenotech would be lovely

[arctic talon]

Filled with deep sea creatures that eat ships

Lmao

Also no one has found the bottom of said ocean world

[plush mason]

dont they hate xenotech with a passion tho?

[arctic talon]

It seems to go on forever

[arctic talon]

That’s the irony of it

They’re desperate now

[plush mason]

lol

[green loom]

We need more blood crazed Admech war fleets

[celest dome]

Yes, but if it let them pay their debt

[green loom]

The Death Guard did a service to humanity

[plush mason]

i wonder what Stygis 7 thinks of all this

[arctic talon]

Laughing their asses off

Like every other forgeworld

[green loom]

They're probably busy handling work place accidents from reverse engineered necron stuff

[arctic talon]

New customers

The only forgeworld more pompous then mars got their asses kicked

[plush mason]

Metalica: falls to chaos
the rest of the Admech: nice more money for the rest of us

[arctic talon]

Pretty much lol

[green loom]

"The Fabricator General vaporized his lower body with a gauss beam"
"We have gauss beams?"
"We did"
"Did?"
"Best not to ask"

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[winter vessel]

Admech: S T O N K S

[plush mason]

yes

based Admech response

[near wasp]

Best not to ask- motto of 40k

[plush mason]

that is actually true lol, "blessed is the mind to small to doubt" and like a million other lines about not asking questions are a big part of the imperial creed lol

[green loom]

Who do you guys think is Cypher

[plush mason]

some random Fallen with the Lion's old sword afaik

[celest dome]

The oldest SM Scout
He just never got the chance to finish his training

[copper patrol]

slambo transported from warhammer fantasy

[signal bramble]

“Tolerance is the first step towards betrayal.”

“An open mind is like a fortress with its gates unbarred.”

And a few others.

[plush mason]

"a few"

[signal bramble]

XD

[plush mason]

more like almost half of the whole text is telling the reader "sit down, shut up and do as your god appointed leaders tell you to. or die"

[signal bramble]

And be grateful for it.

That to.

[plush mason]

funny enough. the imperial creed is one of the least conflicted holy dogmas in all human history kek

[near wasp]

Give praise to the man emperor of mankind!

[plush mason]

lol

its hell funny to think about that bit from TTS, because its more less the core of the imperial truth

or well what the core should have been

[near wasp]

Yeah

Then lorgar just had to lorgar all over his books

[green loom]

Do we know how many Space Wolves there are

[plush mason]

instead of saying there are no gods the imperial truth should have said "we are greater than any of these so called god-beings"

[green loom]

Or is it another classic case of "There are as many elves as the plot needs"

[copper patrol]

yes

[plush mason]

yes

[crimson kayak]

Yes

[plush mason]

there is 13 great companies that number how ever many the plot needs

[crimson kayak]

As with any marine chapter not adhering with the codex astartes, their numbers are relative

[plush mason]

yup

[crimson kayak]

And even then

[celest dome]

Always and ever

[crimson kayak]

After primaris it doesn't make sense anymore

[near wasp]

2600 space wolves, a company is 200 people and there are 13

[crimson kayak]

Same way some imperial regiments are less than 10k people lol

[near wasp]

I just dont look at nulbers in 40k because they usually make no sense

[crimson kayak]

Yep

Like Creed regiment being 8000 man and close to never fighting full force

Basically there's usually less than a thousand of the cadian 8th per batttlefield

Wich by 40k standards it's absolute bollocks

[plush mason]

or do look at them when you want to torment your brain and try to make them make sense

[near wasp]

My brian already torments me enough

[plush mason]

same

[crimson kayak]

proceeds to do so and cause them to split up

[open pumice]

Most regiments are 1000 lmao

[open pumice]

I hope this is the lion going forward

We might actually get a good character out of him

[open pumice]

This also makes sense tbh as the modern western militaties use a regiment of about 1k soldiers

The guard being made up of trillions of soldiers worls because worlds put out upwards of a thousand regiments

If each world in ultramar put out 200 regiments thats a hundred million soldiers just out of the 500 worlds

The imperium is said to he about a million i habited worlds. If only a third of those are tithed and put out an average of 150 regiments with 100 soldiers a pop

Thats 50 billion soldiers

And those are very low balled numbers

Ig regimental numbers actually make decent sense

[plush mason]

not when put into the scale of the rest of 40k

like it makes sense for irl, but irl humans only have 1 world and only number 8 billion

[open pumice]

They are actually thr only numbers make sense

[open pumice]

I mean a regiment being a thousand people really isnt all that silly

Esp3cially qhen you tale into avvound regiments are very rarely deployed alone

And usually serve some kind of explicit duty

[plush mason]

no i mean the entire astra militarim only numbering 50 billion does not make sense

[open pumice]

Such as being an arty regiment, infantry regiment, etc

[open pumice]

True but those numbers are hella low balled

Like thats

Exceptionall conservative estimates

I doubt only a third of imperial worlds are tithed

[gloomy citrus]

Only 50 billion?

[open pumice]

And it would surprise me if the average wolrd puts out only 15p regiments

[plush mason]

way to conservative given the most conservate estimate for the total human pop of 40k is 1 quadrillion kek

[summer rover]

games workshop does not care about getting details right, they can always add more on later. just look at their models.

[arctic talon]

Terra has several quadrillion people on it lore wise

According to watchers of the throne

[plush mason]

the hive we are in in Darktide has a pop of 90 billion

[gloomy citrus]

They're the EA of table top.

[arctic talon]

And that’s our most recent population number

[gloomy citrus]

Had*

[arctic talon]

Guard haven’t gotten a numbers update

Since like

4th edition lmao

[plush mason]

oh so the total imperial pop is well over a quadrillion easy

[arctic talon]

Their 7e codex onwards

Makes no mention of numbers

[open pumice]

Idk 1k people a regiment makes sense

[arctic talon]

There’s prolly a lot more

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

People and more regiments

Imo

[open pumice]

And once again my numbers were hella concervative

[gloomy citrus]

Krieg.

[arctic talon]

GW just doesn’t touch the numbers

Because they don’t want to

They stopped touching numbers since 5e

In core rule books

[open pumice]

Because they dont need to make sense lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[open pumice]

The setting is silly

[arctic talon]

What about krieg

[gloomy citrus]

The only numbers they care about are these on their bank accounts.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[gloomy citrus]

Think.

[arctic talon]

No

I don’t like thinking about krieg

I think they’re boring

[open pumice]

You could probably double these numbers and still be short of the mark

[arctic talon]

Especially after the clone shit

[gloomy citrus]

Ultramarine.

[arctic talon]

I don’t play ultramarines either

Lol

[open pumice]

Hell the imperium being a million worlds isnt even fully cannon just an expression

[arctic talon]

Or are you talking about the smarf

[plush mason]

this, everything about 40k is made to be insanely over the top, hell earth can not even remotely support a pop as insanely massive as stated by Elit3wolf

[arctic talon]

Being an ultramarine lol

[arctic talon]

Earth can support a population that large technically

It would just

Be literal hell

Also no water

Lmao

[plush mason]

nah, the total land mass can only support 100 billion

[open pumice]

Terra in 40k is described as being a leech on the greater imperium

[plush mason]

i can see it

[open pumice]

This is a lie where the hell did you pull that from

You can out the entire human population into rhoade island

Keep in mind

Terra has no oceans

[arctic talon]

Also

[gloomy citrus]

Hive cities.

[arctic talon]

It’s a city

[open pumice]

The infinite city sprawls the wntire planet

[arctic talon]

All the way down to the core

Lore wise

[open pumice]

Not quite to the core

[arctic talon]

In several places

[open pumice]

But close

[arctic talon]

Close to it

Rather

[gloomy citrus]

It could be compared to Coruscant from Star Wars.

[storm jungle]

Yeah Terra is literally coruscant but with more smog

[arctic talon]

It’s also way shittier

Because there’s no food on terra

[open pumice]

You can full stop woth litteraly coruscabt but more

[arctic talon]

[plush mason]

its galactic city from hell sounds like

[open pumice]

More smog more people more pollution mote corruption

[storm jungle]

Correct lmao

[open pumice]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Terran society is like Soviet society, there is no food

[open pumice]

And yet

[arctic talon]

And the police will murder you

[gloomy citrus]

Coruscant is shit, except for the higher levels.

[open pumice]

Millions of people flock there

Daily

[plush mason]

because holy place

[arctic talon]

Coruscant isn’t a literal warzone

[plush mason]

and people are stupid

[open pumice]

Hell

[arctic talon]

So it’s better immediately

[open pumice]

Tou can live your whole life

Waiting to be admitted onto terran soil

[arctic talon]

Terra is like