#40k-lore-chat

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pastel whale
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Why not just glue fly traps to your skin

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Or something

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Could Nurgle just bless you with fly repelling sweat? I think he could do some really specific stuff to prove he could

coarse pumice
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they can't, though they're far better at it than the average for their size

storm jungle
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They can

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lmao

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Their claws literally can cut through anything

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Rending Claws are a Tyranid Bio-weapon consisting of short, deadly claws tipped in extremely dense diamond-hard chitin. Powered by the overdeveloped musculature and steel-like tendons of a Tyranid, rending claws become capable of ripping open Ceramite and thick armour with ease as well as fatally shredding flesh and bone.

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If you can just get shot in the face IRL why do you wear a helmet or body armor

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same logic

crimson kayak
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Tbf not all bullets pierce all armor

storm jungle
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Yeah I meant more like the "arrow through the medieval armor visor" thing

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at the end of the day it will still protect you

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its not really the equipment's fault you let yourself get killed by something

plush mason
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some protection is better than none

storm jungle
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^

plush mason
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and on the genestealer front. they are glass cannons and can and will die on mass from a single volley

storm jungle
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Also this

crimson kayak
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Yeah this i can get

storm jungle
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Their entire thing is hunting in packs, one is strong but theres a reason they rely on xenomorph tactics of sneaking around

crimson kayak
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Stormbolters basically can explode a whole space hulk corridor in a volley

crimson kayak
storm jungle
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Lmao Deathwing Space Hulk moment

pastel whale
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If the bullet is made to go through helmets and will go through, then a helmet wont help me at all, right?

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Magic space stabby aliens just dont care

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So why do I encourage that behavior

storm jungle
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They just wanna steal genes and you are disturbing their business

crimson kayak
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Also remember that a space hulk doesn't have only genestealers

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It can have pretty much anything insjde

storm jungle
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Yeah its basically a mystery box

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you'll either get loot or you'll get death

plush mason
storm jungle
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Ah no genestealers prefer humans more since they are easier to corrupt and go undetected.

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Marines don't really have anything they want

crimson kayak
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Also humans reproduce so they can actually get hybrids and shit

plush mason
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i thought they would consume the geneseed

storm jungle
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Nah

plush mason
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ok

storm jungle
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thats just a case of "this name sounds cool lets keep it"

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Like they dont even "steal" genes eiter

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they GIVE you their genes

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I guess "Genegiver" sounded too nice

crimson kayak
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Basically they go face hugger on a bunch of people and proceed to in breed them till their genes become full genestealer genes

plush mason
storm jungle
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Jokes aside no they just jab you with their tongue anywhere and give you corrupted tyranid DNA

plush mason
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lol

storm jungle
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yeah GW wants to avoid that

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the pregnancy stuff is only done through the cult members reproducing with each other for new Generations

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the actual infection methods are basically anything

crimson kayak
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The most lethal game of tag

storm jungle
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fr fr

plush mason
coarse pumice
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from the description it's more like prying open, or stabbing and breaking it apart around weak points/joints rather than slicing through like butter (which is what I thought was meant by casually slice through)

storm jungle
plush mason
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with little spider like parasites

storm jungle
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yep-yep

plush mason
coarse pumice
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the game didn't ignore saves unlike some other weapons at the time

crimson kayak
plush mason
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SM are stupid rare

storm jungle
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About the same reason as not every imperial guardsman not getting power armor

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"Its a very rare resource"

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Produces it in the trillions for sororitas convents

crimson kayak
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Literally the only resource of the tyranids is just named "biomass"

storm jungle
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harsh currency

coarse pumice
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the rending claws rule was wound automatically and ignore saves on a 6 to hit (later changed to wound because on hit it was OP), at the same time the monstrous tyrranids just ignored armour

plush mason
storm jungle
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ALL of them do

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minus the novitiates who are just recruits and repentia who are suicide shock-troops

copper patrol
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I thought ike

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the medic ones that aren't in combat

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or something don't

plush mason
storm jungle
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Yep

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all power-armor

plush mason
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kek

storm jungle
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anyway something-something

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"its a cheaper variant" id

crimson kayak
plush mason
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also i doubt the sororitas are anywhere near as numerous as the guardsmen

crimson kayak
plush mason
coarse pumice
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the old model of these was the coolest thing

crimson kayak
signal bramble
crimson kayak
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Also when they give numbers it would have been better if they just kept it vague

plush mason
rose thorn
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Huh the only old sisters I’ve ever seen were the old repentas, this isn’t as bad as I was expecting

arctic talon
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Ironically

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Old Repentia and penance engines were def someone’s fetish tho 💀

rose thorn
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Yea lol

coarse pumice
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the regular old metal sisters were really good iirc

storm jungle
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They were god awful

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thank god for the update

rose thorn
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HAGDHWHAHAA THEY STILL USE THAY ACOLYTE MODLE

green loom
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These were my favourite new thingies

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rose thorn
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Oh no it’s different

celest dome
vocal drum
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can we talk about this trailer please

celest dome
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The Imperium is dying and crumbling ? Nothing new ?

vocal drum
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i keep forgetting space marines are like fodder in lore

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this tyranid just 1 hit him

storm jungle
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I mean yeah

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everyone in 40k is OP, so anyone can die to anyone

signal bramble
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They’re used as cannon fodder but no portrayed as cannon fodder. Like space marine jobbers getting wiped out is a big deal.

vocal drum
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got it, makes sense ty

storm jungle
dense mortar
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Would be a good situation to have a few Space Wolves in if ya ask me.

vocal drum
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yup makes sense

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celest dome
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True, seeing the Space Wolf get wrecked is always fun

storm jungle
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Lmfao

shadow plover
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yeah think the trailer is one of the best promo materials made for 40k

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the guilliman monologue makes it great

cerulean wagon
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shame the animation quality looks worse

shadow plover
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animation is fine, lightning and textures are a bit off at times

green loom
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Mfw the faction meant to die in droves isn't dying in droves(Guard problems)

coarse pumice
# storm jungle

apart from the acolyte (which was from later in the witch hunters codex anyway), they look fine apart from the front face (which the GW paint style doesn't do any favours to)

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this one got remade with the new set

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storm jungle
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They really don't look fine at all. I have owned a few and they are even worse upclose.

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They desperately needed an update and people have been asking for one for years before the overhaul.

celest dome
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GW wasn't great at making feminine face for a long time

summer rover
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the new ones look terrible on the tabletop, they're far more out of scale than the old ones were.

summer rover
coarse pumice
celest dome
celest dome
coarse pumice
summer rover
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no. they just got around to actually painting them decently. older 'eavy metal paintjobs overshadowed the faces horrifically.

summer rover
coarse pumice
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wtf is a super reaction

celest dome
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I don't know

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But I hate it

summer rover
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neither does GW, probably. they're going full you-gee-o with the rules clutter to try and prove keywords work

celest dome
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Super Reaction are Discord side, not GW

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And GW is making 10th by having less weird unique rules and returning to a more global rules system

summer rover
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they said that last three editions.

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they get bored and start jamming the unique rules in, which breaks shit.

coarse pumice
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it's the cycle

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happens every reboot

summer rover
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you need to go in with the unique rules planned for, that actually works.

coarse pumice
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the initial army lists are usually flawed, but you could get a relatively sane game with them for the most part

shadow plover
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well 8th was A LOT more simple than 7th, 9th refined on top of that and it has gradually gotten more cluttered again. Now it will reset once more

coarse pumice
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then they start adding things out of the wazoo when the codices are released and can't help themselves

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and they always can't help adding new special rules from other codices to the new Space Marine books (e.g. Eternal Warrior was an Eldar rule, but then Mat gave them to Marneus Calgar), then they start getting prevalent all over the shop

summer rover
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40k was originally built to have a billion weird things in it, you can't make an edition that isn't cluttered without culling most of the things people want in the game.

coarse pumice
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I wonder if some stats will come back

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one of the biggest early mistakes was the removal of the movement stat in 3rd edition

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so to represent different speeds, they had to add a number of special rules to represent something that used to be just a number on the profile (but with more dice rolls instead of just a static value)

summer rover
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the old WS chart is easier to teach new players than all the roundabout shit they do now. they need to stop layering rules since people tend to forget a step and grind the game to a halt.

coarse pumice
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that too

torpid narwhal
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Night lords sound like a bunch of trolls lol

rose thorn
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some of their ships even have black markets heretics can buy shit from lmao

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well im pretty sure its just one

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but still

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i wanna start painting my word bearers but im tempted to wait until 10th to see if there ends up a legion i like more

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like a new one

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like DoB

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which are just

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word beares

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but still

crisp heath
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I'd wait tbh

signal bramble
crisp heath
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I like butch as hell sisters 😦 gimme that jawline

rose thorn
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ITs not that i dont like any of them, im just inconsistent. In all the lore WBs are my favorite but if they drop a baller ass legion that i end up loving more

crisp heath
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Oh wait that post was 10 hours ago carry on

green loom
rose thorn
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lol

green loom
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You have the big few legions and that's more or less all you're getting

rose thorn
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I was thinking about the old warbands that use to have lore and rules

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That got sent to the shadow realm lol

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It’s the same problem I have with picking normals space Marines but with loyal marines it’s much worse

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Chaos it’s like picking icecream

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Loyal it’s like picking your brand of water lmao

vale shuttle
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loyalist marines just don't have much space to work with

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especially since a lot of space is already taken up by current big chapters

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so you end up with a bunch of aesthetic changes essentially

queen laurel
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Man i'm excited to see what is the interpretation of total war warhammer 3 has for the k'daai destroyer

green loom
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This thing?

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queen laurel
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But i would definitely want for a better 3d model

dense mortar
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I swear the more I read, the more I am convinced that Space Wolves are straight based Alpha-Sigma-Gamma males. Just absolutely wrecking balls of courage and warfare. Its no wonder the Chaos Gods fear them specifically.

crimson kayak
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The chaos gods don't care

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About basically anyone and everyone

dense mortar
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Bet they would if a pack of SW terminators were standing at their door step

crimson kayak
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Lol no they are gods

dense mortar
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And as Batman has proved, even a mortal can kill a god.

crimson kayak
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And their doorsteps are basically fault proof unless your name is protagonist Mcgee or kaldor draigo

crimson kayak
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Because calling Batman Human is like calling a space marine a servitor

dense mortar
crimson kayak
dense mortar
crimson kayak
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Atleast gw doesn't reboot their universe once every couple years

dense mortar
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Oh yeah, well we just launched a soft reboot recently. . . again. Dawn of DC

crimson kayak
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Oh yeah some are fantastic i know, but most of the time, especially on modern runs the batman went from "peak human fighting crazy guys" to "dc's deck of many things/deus ex machina"

dense mortar
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The current Detective Comics and Batman comics by Zdarksky and Spurrier are some of the best stuff I have read in a while. Went for a detective noir style batman in both. But yea I tend to agree.

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Its almost to the point where the limited series are becoming better than the long running issues. The limited series atleast can tell elseworld stories, or stories focused on one character. (ICYMI Batman Beyond Neo Year is probably my favorite comic of 2022. Highly recommend the limited run)

rose meadow
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Also space wolves are kinda the mary-sues of 40k tbh

celest dome
dense mortar
celest dome
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Still remain a non threat

rose thorn
vale shuttle
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dont forget blood angels bro

gloomy citrus
dense mortar
gloomy citrus
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They're Thousand Sons, but with limits.

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And they have wrist bolters.

dense mortar
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And, the Space Wolves nearly extincted them

signal bramble
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Lukas doesn’t drink the space wolf koolaid.

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The wolves were used as the emperor’s executioners during the great crusade when he wanted to make a public example of them. However, when he wanted something absolutely erased from history and no one to ever mention them again, he sent the dark angels.

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He even made sure the DA had extra rare powerful weapons to accomplish this task.

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The space wolves are powerful combatants but if you think the chaos gods fear them you are sorely mistaken.

dense mortar
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Lucas is a niche wolf, and hardly a representation of what it means to be a true SW. Thats why he is still a blood claw

gloomy citrus
dense mortar
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Look, we have the Month of Shame for that one. What else do you want?

gloomy citrus
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Prospero.

rose thorn
vale shuttle
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i'd also argue that black templars receive a lot of copycats but

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i have literally no evidence for this claim

gloomy citrus
rose thorn
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To be honest I consider the month of shame really fucking stupid, but I like grey knights so I’m bias

gloomy citrus
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Of the Imperial Fists.

vale shuttle
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nnnooo?

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not really

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the black templars are like, total frothing purge-loving murder-crazed dudes

rose thorn
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Black templars are a successor chapter, but besides that they ahve completely different personalities?

vale shuttle
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the imperial fists are like, defensive and fortified and stoic and all that

gloomy citrus
vale shuttle
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like the imperial fists field librarians im fairly sure, but the black templars will literally not field psykers they're that racist

rose thorn
vale shuttle
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what a chad

rose thorn
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And imperial fists were like

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‘That’s based’

gloomy citrus
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Failbaddon.

rose thorn
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And now are copy catting him

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Wel

vale shuttle
rose thorn
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Half of them

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Bro abaddon fucling decked him, and Gulliman, and cadia, and like half the galaxy lmao

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We’ll split the galaxy in 2

green loom
rose thorn
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Which meant literally nothing

rose thorn
vale shuttle
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god i love 40k fans going "heresy!!!" every time someone discusses:

  • chaos
  • xenos
  • ||a number of topics i don't want to bring up||
green loom
copper patrol
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hErSeY

vale shuttle
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40k fans and bashing 20 year old memes into the ground

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name a more iconic duo

gloomy citrus
rose thorn
rose thorn
vale shuttle
rose thorn
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And imperial records wrote them as a failure

copper patrol
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imo

rose thorn
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And imperial records are as trustable as a Facebook anti science group

rose thorn
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Before the 13th crusades were written

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There were no other 12 crusades

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The writers thought 13 was cool

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And made up the other 12

vale shuttle
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Chaos and the Black Crusades didn't need to win every time, they only need to win once. The Imperium has to hold the door shut, desperate, with ever-dwindling supplies, ever-dwindling men, as the forces of Chaos smash against the door. Over and over and over again, until one day it is broken. Chaos only has to win once, the Imperium has to win forever.

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or something idk lmao

rose thorn
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also it should have been the 7th crusade because the 7 sided Star of chaos. Or the 16th because the Luna wolves are the 16th legion but what ever

green loom
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There are as many infinite chaos fleets as the plot demands

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And there are as few imperials as the plot demands

green loom
rose thorn
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Im@stupid

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I counted it like

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4 times

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And was still wrong lmao

green loom
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The legendary Sevenbound on their Seven fold path

rose thorn
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OH I MEVER NOTICED ITS LIKE A COMPASS

vale shuttle
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the sevenfold path sounds badass tho

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sounds like a good nurgle warband name

green loom
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It's like an Avenged Sevenfold or something

rose thorn
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Khorne a sacred number is 7, so anything 7 themed is always khrone lmao

vale shuttle
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mag khorne's sacred number is 8

rose thorn
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Wait

celest dome
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Khorne is 8 though

vale shuttle
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nurgle's sacred number is 7

rose thorn
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FUCK

celest dome
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7 (and 3) are Nurgle

green loom
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Do you have something against 8 or something

rose thorn
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LMAO YEAH, I’m not doing well damn

celest dome
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9 is Tzeentch iirc

vale shuttle
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this isn't your day is it?

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6 is slaanesh

rose thorn
celest dome
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Malal was 5 ?
Great Horned Rat was 13 and 1 ?

vale shuttle
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get well soon

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||malal isn't real get over it||

green loom
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Fr

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He existed for 5 minutes in fantasy then got snapped

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He even had a replacement

rose thorn
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Malal is where the retconned lore goes

celest dome
vale shuttle
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malal's staying power is proof of how loved his concept is

green loom
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But the big rat is still alive

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He doesn't deserve a "was" smh

rose thorn
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Isn’t malal’s gimmick just random shit?

vale shuttle
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malal represents chaos' self-destructive and self-defeating nature

celest dome
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Chaos for the sake of Chaos, and not some ordonned Chaos is great

rose thorn
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Ah

green loom
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Kinda pointless all things considered

rose thorn
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We all know the best chaos god is the great spider god (or whatever ever name it has this week)

vale shuttle
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ive never heard of this one

rose thorn
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It’s an AOS thing

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And fantasy

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It’s gimmick, spiders

green loom
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Chaos raptors worship their own thing too

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iirc

celest dome
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The Greenskin one ? For the Spider god

rose thorn
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Nah the green skins spider god and teh chaos spider god are 2 different thjng

celest dome
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The Sleeper then ?

rose thorn
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Don’t ask me the different idk what it is

celest dome
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Though it's more of a mantis

vale shuttle
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oh lmao

green loom
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The god of mantits

rose thorn
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Nah it’s a spider

green loom
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I mean

rose thorn
vale shuttle
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i dont really know fantasy so i thought there was lkike, an even more obscure chaos god than malal

rose thorn
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These are it’s followers

vale shuttle
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or maybe you were talking about vashtorr

vale shuttle
celest dome
green loom
celest dome
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Not real Chaos different Gods

green loom
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Like Hashut exists
Hashut is literally Vashtorr but cool

rose thorn
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Ah fair

vale shuttle
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i love vashtorr

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because he validates my chaos warband

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who worship a minor chaos god

coarse pumice
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reminder Eldrad killed Abaddon so hard in hand to hand combat in their own battle report so hard that they had to go against their own results to keep abaddon alive and killed eldrad in a fit of salt

rose thorn
celest dome
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Not the 1st time they have to do that

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Archeon and Grimgor come to mind

green loom
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Hashut superior

coarse pumice
rose thorn
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I remember when Belakor owned the hell forge Sitgryn

celest dome
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I somewhat dislike Astragoth's depiction, would have preferd to have it more like the mini

vale shuttle
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damn they shouldve added Hashut to 40k instead of vashtorr and released chaos squats with normal squats

rose thorn
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Okay so who’s currently trying to become a chaos god

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We got

Belakor
Abbadon
Vas
Taht one necron

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Uhhh

celest dome
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The Emperor maybe

coarse pumice
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to become a vortex in the sea of the warp, reflected from the thoughts of the living beings of it

celest dome
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The Eldar one, though it's more like they are creating a god rather than becoming one

rose thorn
celest dome
rose thorn
celest dome
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That one

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Don't know the name anymore

green loom
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Ynnead

rose thorn
rose thorn
celest dome
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But still, I'll still plug Dreadtide for the future

coarse pumice
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in a different version of the origin of the Eldar Avatars of Khaine, they came around because during the fall, Khaine was as much of the domain of Khorne as Slaanesh from the Eldar psyche, so instead of being subsumed into Slaanesh, split and became the Avatars

rose thorn
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Sidenote I fucking love this guy but idk shit about how

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Him*

storm jungle
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Szeras

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basically fabius but a necron

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he likes experimenting on people while they are awake because hes a troll

rose thorn
storm jungle
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he barely has any lore so you are good lmao

green loom
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One of the more gruesome Geedubz models

rose thorn
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OH YEAH I forgot about that

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Thank you dilara

storm jungle
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Hes also the main architect behind Biotransference

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he did a bit of an oopsie

green loom
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Remember the Pariah nexus and how big of a thing it was? GW sure doesn't

storm jungle
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KEK

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So big that it only got covered in white dwarf magazines

plush mason
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lmao

storm jungle
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the nids are gonna get the same treatment this edition

green loom
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And then dropped, completely

plush mason
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didnt they make an animated show about it recently?

storm jungle
# green loom And then dropped, completely

The last thing was Guilliman getting the news for the Nexuses and apparently heading there himself but with the Arks of Omen im guessing they are gonna drop that plot

storm jungle
green loom
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It's still not as stupid as Psychic Awakening, which was literally like over a year of filler with NO releases

storm jungle
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YEAH

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LITERALLY NOTHING

coarse pumice
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do Paraiahs still exist in Necrons? I remember in a codex update they all suspiciously vanished

storm jungle
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The units no

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they got canned in 5th edition

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entirely due to tabletop reasons tho

shadow plover
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pariah nexus was more of a setting to have narrative games in rather than a story which got somewhere tbh

rose thorn
coarse pumice
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5th was the last I heard of them too, looks like they never came back lol

green loom
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I don't even remember anything from PA

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Only the enslaver that gets popped by Alpha Primus at the VERY beginning

storm jungle
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Yeah because nothing happened in it

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arbitrator ian made a vid on it like 2 days ago

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its just pocket events without any narrative arc

green loom
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Oh wait we got to see Ragnar duel Ghaz for no reason

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God that was such a sad two or so years

storm jungle
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"THE GREATEST RIVALS"

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Ghaz and Ragnar be like:

plush mason
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lol

storm jungle
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I love how ghaz also loses

near wasp
storm jungle
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gets decapitated

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gets his head re-attached

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leaves

near wasp
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id leave to if i got my head chopped off

plush mason
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didnt PA make it so psykers are becoming more and more common or was even that dropped?

green loom
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Ragnar also lives

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Because he was, and I quote, "too angry to die"

celest dome
green loom
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They literally

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Went with a MEME REASON

plush mason
plush mason
dense mortar
green loom
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Maybe not as enthusiastically as Russ and friends

plush mason
green loom
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No

dense mortar
green loom
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Ghaz's rival is Yarrick

rose thorn
dense mortar
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Ragnar, last son of the Thunderfist tribe

green loom
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Helbrecht is the direct rival of Imotekh, I think

dense mortar
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Leader of his claw

celest dome
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Leader of nobodies

dense mortar
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Survivor of Wulfen

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Son of Russ

plush mason
shadow plover
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I've honestly never seen anyone as obnoxiously into SW before, well done that's an achievement

green loom
plush mason
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lmao

celest dome
green loom
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It was a psychic awakening event so it was basically designed as filler

storm jungle
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Yeah this ^

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also basically it was because Ragnar got a new miniature

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so he had to be the showcase somewhere

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so they just taped Ghaz into him like hes some co-star in a wrestling match

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the lore for these always comes later

rose thorn
green loom
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No that's just psychic awakening in general

rose thorn
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LmaO ah

green loom
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You'll get maybe a fight but it won't mean anything

dense mortar
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Im going to politely minimize my screen until this message thread star wars its way up a bit. I cannot sit idly by while negativity and outright lies are bespoke upon my Space Wolves.

rose thorn
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I wanna like space wolves

But also one of their models has about 30 wolves on it

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I physically counted them

celest dome
#

I don't dislike SW, nor do I dislike Perturabo, but I do dislike their fans
When they are obnoxious

storm jungle
#

oh my god I just realised thats Zero

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the space wolves have corrupted him

dense mortar
rose thorn
green loom
#

The eldar got jobbed in their own book by a single daemon prince? Doesn't matter because it's kind of in the past
The DA go and fight the Thousands Sons? Nothing happens and the ritual gets plotted to nothing(new primaris guy replacing Master Balthazar RIP)

rose thorn
# rose thorn

Sidenote id love to see thsi kitbashed itno soemrhing AOS

green loom
#

Looks very...

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Hmm

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Kharadron

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To me

rose thorn
#

I was thinking it would be a good base for a wolf themed land boat

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Or steam tank

celest dome
#

Norsca inspired Cities of Sigmar maybe ?

shadow plover
dense mortar
rose thorn
#

I’m planning to get SCE, the uhhh astral Templars (?) the hunty guys

plush mason
rose thorn
#

I think this could be a good center piece

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Well, proxy piece

rose thorn
plush mason
#

lol

celest dome
rose thorn
#

I do respect the fact gw limited them sleves and it’s only 60 dollars

#

So it’s actually worth kitbashing lmao

plush mason
#

i love the space wolves, but good god they way way over do it with the wolf stuff

rose thorn
#

Luckily raven gaurd don’t do anything like that (ignore that one HH unit)

coarse pumice
#

imagine if they gave the same treatment to imperial fists

plush mason
#

lol

green loom
#

You don't like paying 80 dollars for a single infantry kit? Monster, don't you know the Executives need that 9th Yacht?

gloomy citrus
coarse pumice
#

'Pugnus Fistborne was raised in the wild by wild fists. He rides into battle on his antigrav fist bike and is armed with two power fists'

rose thorn
#

I think the only chapter I wish they went more ham on in theming is the crimson fists

coarse pumice
#

I play Crimson Fists and kind of like how vanilla we can be

rose thorn
#

Also white scars

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They got got fuckinh gimmped

coarse pumice
#

you have the heritage and are vanilla enough without the baggage of being ultramarines, and have more balanced stories

rose thorn
#

‘Y’all like pony tails?’

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plush mason
coarse pumice
#

I sometimes wish I made my own chapter though

dense mortar
sharp falcon
#

the enemies in DT are infected with the walking pox right?

celest dome
plush mason
coarse pumice
#

I'd probably make it from the new mk6 kits

green loom
coarse pumice
#

I love mk6

green loom
plush mason
#

also Zero. what is happening to you? did you drink from the cup of Russ?

celest dome
dense mortar
dense mortar
near wasp
#

ok we need to get 200 ccs of chaos

#

thatll fix zero

rose thorn
#

Im surprised that the damage Genghis Khan has done to last names still exists into the 41st millennium

#

With like every white scar being last named khan

celest dome
#

Isn't Khan their titles ?

plush mason
#

it is

rose thorn
#

And their names

coarse pumice
#

Khan Khan

near wasp
#

its a cultural thing then isnt it

plush mason
#

yup

rose thorn
#

“Kor'sarro Khan is the khan (captain) of the 3rd Brotherhood (company) of the White Scars Space Marine Chapter and is also the Chapter's current Master of the Hunt”

plush mason
#

wtf is a master of the hunt?

rose thorn
#

chapter master

plush mason
#

ah

sharp falcon
# celest dome Poxwalker yes, the rest most likely not

if yes then shouldnt the player characters also become pox walkers just by being near them and hearing the noises they make? it's written on wahapedia how "The groans of the Poxwalkers are spiritually infectious in their own right"

gloomy citrus
#

What do they hunt?

#

Dark Eldar?

celest dome
#

Is the Home world of the White Scar a theme Park like Fenris is ?

celest dome
plush mason
rose thorn
#

Their goal is to kill everything in the book

uneven temple
#

White scars homeworld is just space Mongolia

plush mason
gloomy citrus
celest dome
rose thorn
#

Well, rhe book can be a grudge or revenge, but it’s also a sign of respect

uneven temple
#

With a dash of evil elves

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And sometimes chaos invasion

rose thorn
#

They actually like the necrons, like they put Zahndrekh and Obyron in it. Because Zahndrekh let them go after he kidnapped them and had dinner with them

plush mason
#

lol

rose thorn
#

It happens a lot actually

#

Zahndrekh kidnaps people he sees as like, rebel leaders

#

And attempts to negotiate over dinner

#

And then he has to go do something, and obyron usually just kill them and says they attacked him

#

But this time Zahndrekh caught him in the act and let them go

#

God I love the gay necrons

#

Idk why his model is him dabbing like a middle school teacher

plush mason
#

because dabbing during battle is one of the best ways to show dominance tho not as good as A or T posing

near wasp
#

if your not scared of it, it cant transmit

plush mason
cyan oxide
#

also the emperor protects those doing his work. like literally

plush mason
#

that or said workers are ether 1 smart enough to not waste time fearing the inevitable or 2 so insanely fanatical they cant understand something like that

cyan oxide
#

what you need to remember is that the emperor may not actually be a god (yet) he is still an immensely powerful psyker that can repel the warp

plush mason
#

sure. but he cant be everywhere

cyan oxide
#

yes agreed thats why people still do get corrupted and he cant really stop people who seek out the warp

#

thats the inquisitions job

celest dome
#

Or the people who get seeked out by the warp, most Chaos Cultist were innocent

crimson kayak
cyan oxide
near wasp
crimson kayak
dense mortar
#

Does GW do model kits?

#

or only minis

celest dome
celest dome
storm jungle
#

oh wait-

dense mortar
celest dome
#

Most of the bigger minis are made of quite a lot of parts

crimson kayak
crimson kayak
# dense mortar Think gunpla

Nothing with joints or similar moving parts as far as I'm aware, but bigger gw models can easily be considered model kits, especially ig vehicles

dense mortar
crimson kayak
#

3d printing

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Definetly

#

Also because cost wise gw would have you give your firstborn child to the warp for it if they ever make it

dense mortar
#

My 3D printing skills suck. Guess I will look around for someone online

near wasp
#

cant be an apostate if you already worship all the gods

crimson kayak
near wasp
#

shhhhh

#

we dont gotta talk about that

rose thorn
#

Belakor was like the chaos god’s first mini

#

They didn’t know to to thin their powers and then he escaped to the bottom of their model bin

#

And they got a new model named Abbadon and actually thinned their powers while belakor watches in anger

green loom
#

Anyone remember the voice acting for the PA videos

#

God they were horrible

storm jungle
#

To the point that I remember the TTS crew actually did a re-imagined Magnus one

#

Damn it nvm it was Wrath of Magnus

green loom
#

Similar style

#

They've marginally improved since then

#

My favourite was the one with Korsarro Khan

#

Sounded like it was some weird Mortal Kombat animatic

plush mason
storm jungle
#

lmao

green loom
#

Supposedly it "ravaged" fenris, killed most of its population, and killed the last hope of the wolves surviving the wulfen curse

#

But Fenris is just

shadow plover
#

how cool would've it been if fenris burned 😔

green loom
#

Fine

storm jungle
#

LMFAO

#

But jokes aside

green loom
#

And the wolves still have

storm jungle
#

the T-Sons almost manage that

green loom
#

A lot of numbers because yes

storm jungle
#

the planet also becomes so chaos infested that the Inquisition liquidizes the entire population

#

the space wolves let them do this this time

shadow plover
#

The wolves did end up licking their wounds for a good while

storm jungle
#

since the damage is very bad

#

they are also not in a position to negotiate about it

green loom
#

Also Bjorn beats Magnus KEKW_ogryn

plush mason
green loom
#

"Trust me bro, the Ultras have the worst plot armour in the setting"

plush mason
#

they do, at times

green loom
#

Mostly Calgar as I understand

plush mason
#

yeah

green loom
#

Remember one of his books is just him holding off an endless horde of Orks

#

At least he got vibe checked by Abaddon

plush mason
#

basically its case of "who ever is the main protag in the current story has the worst plot armor"

green loom
#

Wolves just get extra leeway for a lot of stuff that annoys me

shadow plover
#

it wouldn't even make sense on the tabletop 😔

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green loom
#

Iirc Magnus "forgot" he had psychic powers or something braindead like that

crimson kayak
#

Bjorn is the only Space Wolf I tolerate

plush mason
#

tt doesnt give a fuck about lore and vise versa

green loom
#

If memory serves, people were not happy with the portrayal of TSons in the book

storm jungle
#

iirc

#

TSons invaded Fenris like 3 times

#

and always lost lmao

plush mason
#

they are a chaos faction that isnt named the Black legion so that is normal

green loom
#

The funniest to me is like

#

None of the major named guys die

celest dome
#

The only SW story I somewhat enjoy is the one where the Trickster make some Chaos Warband Droppod on the Ice Sea before going back to sleep or what ever

green loom
#

Lukas is fun and meta

#

Ragnar is bland and cringe
And all of them are basically traitors/renegades that are allowed to do whatever for.... Reasons

crimson kayak
green loom
plush mason
green loom
#

They have the biggest fleet for some reason

#

Despite Black Templars hosting multiple crusade fleets nonstop

#

And the DA being basically a Legion

plush mason
#

they also have 13 great companies that number who knows how many and basically use the codex as toilet paper

green loom
#

At least their structure is at least marginally better than most homebrews that do the same for edge value

plush mason
#

yeah

green loom
#

I won't lie I don't hate the great company thing

plush mason
#

same

#

i actually find it great

green loom
#

It's just again they're somewhat overloaded with flavour text

plush mason
#

but it also shows just how insane the amount of leeway the SWs have over just about every other SM chapter

green loom
#

Yeah they're given too much freedom for basically no reason

#

They couldn't leverage numbers after the Heresy since the stunt Leman pulled to stab Horus nuked most of the Legion

plush mason
#

well they are a founding chapter with no successors and they literally clapped the eclissiarchy's and the inquisition's asses 3 times at least so

green loom
#

They don't have successors because they can only reliably recruit from Fenris, which is a death world with precious little people that constantly kill each other

plush mason
#

yeah

green loom
plush mason
#

yup

arctic talon
#

They have sucessors now

green loom
#

They don't get so much as a slap on the wrist

arctic talon
#

Tbf

green loom
#

They have one

arctic talon
#

2

green loom
#

And it's apparently plagued to hell and back

arctic talon
#

That one doesn’t exist anymore

#

Lmao

green loom
#

The Wolf spear?

plush mason
#

yeah they have primaris successors now iirc

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

Turns out pure gene seed

green loom
#

Yeah I mean the Wolfspear

arctic talon
#

Is pretty important lmao

green loom
#

They're apparently having a lot of trouble

arctic talon
#

How space wolf gene seed got so fucked up

#

Is the real question lol

#

Bcs it was mostly fine during the great crusade

green loom
#

Idk probably mashing your recruits into the warp for a trial doesn't help

arctic talon
#

Ehhh

#

There are worse trials

#

Lmao

green loom
#

Only one I can think of more directly damaging is probably being possessed by a daemon

plush mason
arctic talon
#

Literally killing yourself

#

Is pretty bad as well tbh

crisp heath
#

The space Wolves have a "legend" that Russ destabilized it intentionally

plush mason
#

lol

green loom
#

That seems like a Russ thing to do

#

You know, cus he's a dick

crisp heath
#

Basically a handful of Space Wolves were disloyal and he just said "fuck you, become dog"

#

And it became epidemic

plush mason
#

lol

crimson kayak
arctic talon
#

Exorcists are a bunch of crackheads

#

Who figured out how to fight daemons

plush mason
#

cough the 666 trials cough

crisp heath
#

The exorcists kick ass and I will not be told otherwise

summer rover
#

exeocists do crack and then fight the crack demons and there's people that have to respect that. meanwhile space wolves are so cool they've had to make them worse every edition to keep the fanbase from adopting them over the ultrasmurfs.

dense mortar
#

<giggles sinisterly and clasps fingers together> Im going to the Warhammer Cafe in Tokyo in about 20 days.

#

What wonders await.

arctic talon
#

Space wolves are good in 9e tho

#

Or rather space wolf sucessors are

#

With whirlwind of rage

#

And that other one I forgot

storm jungle
#

excuse me

#

*It actually turns into a three way fight between the Fallen, Custodes and Dark Angels, with the Dark Angel forces actually having plasma bombs on them to destroy their bodies and geneseed in order to leave behind no evidence that they just attacked loyalist forces because they're so desperate to have Cypher for themselves.

#

what the actual fuck

plush mason
#

sounds like DA stuff

summer rover
#

space marines attack loyalist forces all the time though. the guard get in their way, the guard get stomped on. sisters of battle telling them to step off? they get stepped on. inquisitors demand to investigate chapter monastery? man does that go poorly. why even bother?

storm jungle
#

Attacking other Imperials is one thing

#

They are literally suicide-charging custodians in the Imperial palace

#

lmao

#

Its hilarious image tho ngl

shadow plover
#

I kinda wanna read (listen) that book now

#

who wrote it

storm jungle
shadow plover
#

cheers

#

hope it releases in audio as well

storm jungle
#

Same here

green loom
#

Wait he's lord of the fallen?

#

Isn't that supposed to be Luther?

#

Wait

#

Maybe he IS Luther

dense mortar
signal bramble
shadow plover
#

literally 0 interest in space wolves

dense mortar
signal bramble
#

The Luther book has him warning them about cypher and to stay away and they even try to get info on him from Luther.

green loom
#

Wait this is another weird precedent

#

A couple fallen and a DA wet work team fight and kill all the companions

crimson kayak
storm jungle
#

Judging by another comment, the entire thing was a fight between "10 Fallen, 10 Dark Angels, Cypher, 1 Custodian, 1 Witch, 2 Assassins", although another comment says the Fists were involved, and a third one says all of the involved bar Cypher and the Custodian died, so a cover up is "easy"

#

Yeah this is all reddit hearsay

#

we'll see once the book is out, I doubt they like, went against an entire custodian group because thats when it would be a bit silly

crimson kayak
#

I think thar Cypher and custodian being the only ones alive is feasible

#

But I don't think it's gonna be that massive of a battle either

green loom
#

I'm told John French is one of the worse writers so I wouldn't be surprised

storm jungle
#

Yeah hes bad lmao

storm jungle
green loom
#

What gets me is the wording about cypher getting to the throne

#

Either all the companions are dead or busy
Or emps cleared the just for him

crimson kayak
green loom
storm jungle
#

Yeah its a good distraction

crimson kayak
#

But that was before guilliman resurrection and shit

#

So he sends him to basically unlock the lion back to life

crisp heath
#

Oh yeah the Cypher book has a detail I hate

#

Apparently Cypher is the leader of all the fallen just because he has the sword, and if the sword is ever returned to The Lion the halves of the legion would be reunited

green loom
#

What is this King Arthur Excalibur bullshit

crimson kayak
#

Tbf there Cypher also apparently says that the lion getting the sword back was impossible

green loom
#

"I has the conch, I am the leedur!!!!"

crisp heath
#

Pretty much the whole thing has been leaked and if the leaks are accurate than the last few chapters sound like they redeem it, but the stuff about the sword sucks ass

crimson kayak
green loom
#

It nukes the entire idea of the fallen being a bunch of random DA that got caught in the warp boom

#

Also what's the point of Luther gathering the Fallen know if they're all just Cypher's lapdogs

crisp heath
#

I saw someone suggest that the DA shoot The Lion on sight because they're so paranoid and only realize he's a real primarch when he fails to die and now I need this to be made canon

green loom
#

Or Vortigern and his warband of Fallen in the Black Legion

#

He's in the Ezekarion

#

Are they just going to get written out or something

crisp heath
#

I mean "Lord of the Fallen" may not apply to the most traitorous of the lot

#

Probably just the more neutral ones who didn't really like Lion or the Emperor but are still on humanity's side

#

It's hard to imagine Cypher bossing around fully corrupted, ancient marines

green loom
#

Breddit says it's ALL of them

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#

But it is Valrak and Reddit

#

Two horrifically unreliable sources

storm jungle
#

Pretty much

#

but also the plasma-suicide-bombs make some sense because if the bodies were discovered that would be even worse

crisp heath
#

I think the leaks are probably real but it's like a game of telephone, one person read it, interpreted it, shared their interpretation, then someone posted their interpretation of the interpretation on reddit, then valrak interpreted it and since he has reach his is going to be the version most repeated

#

So the broad details and story beats are probably real but we're missing a lot of context or context is misrepresented

uneven temple
#

My sources indicate that it was, in fact, the undertaker who threw cypher off the top of the cage on a hell in a cell match in 1998

#

Straight from the novel

crisp heath
#

Even Valrak says he's basing his video off a discord user who read the reddit post written by the guy who may have read the book

storm jungle
crisp heath
#

You know, the best way to receive reliable info: just repeat what you're told and wait to be corrected

celest dome
#

Ah yes, Cole's law

green loom
#

"Oh my holy emperor, guys, the Emperor is dead!!!"

rose thorn
green loom
#

Also what's the Luther book Wut

crisp heath
#

Luther: First of the Fallen I'm assuming

green loom
#

Oh yeah now I remember

#

Oh god, the watchers can do this?

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signal bramble
#

Just they’re pretty advanced tech, hard to get.

storm jungle
#

they are jawas man

#

they can do anything

green loom
#

I like them more every time I read about them thumbsup_ogryn

#

Wish I could get into DA more, modern DA are just not as interesting to me as Legion DA

#

Hmmm, maybe the Fallen are the way to go

signal bramble
#

I’m hoping the lion’s return takes them in a new direction. I’m hoping that with the lion becoming a monster hunter he brings the DA back to their original roots from old Order that hunted monsters.

dry epoch
storm jungle
#

Jawas are underrated as hell

green loom
#

Best Companion Smuggler has that's for sure

iron locust
#

So I’m assuming the lore excerpt where the Lion awakens is going to be in the Lion Omen book?

open pumice
#

Probably

#

Or in the farsight book that isnt released yet

signal bramble
iron locust
#

So the Lion book

open pumice
signal bramble
#

They’ve shown the covers and they have different numbers.

open pumice
#

dummy

signal bramble
#

That’s what I said.

open pumice
#

why did you say it like that lmao

#

instead of just going

#

yes

#

it's in the lion book

#

like

#

the op was asking

signal bramble
#

Because what I said is correct. :p

open pumice
signal bramble
#

Ouch. Personal attacks.

open pumice
#

correct or otherwise, it only half answered the original question

signal bramble
#

Now I’m being cyber bullied.

open pumice
signal bramble
open pumice
#

weep

signal bramble
#

Imagine reading books. Nerds.

open pumice
#

i would like to know

#

who the hell complained about bringing too many books to 40k games

iron locust
#

What?

open pumice
#

stepping threu the 10th eddition prerelease stuff

#

appearatnly one of the big complaints was people having to bring too many books

#

and i want to know

rose thorn
#

????????

open pumice
#

who the fuck though a core book (optional) and a codex was too many

rose thorn
#

wait wahts the rpobelm?

open pumice
#

I'm just hella confused lmao

rose thorn
#

some factions need like 90 books to play them lmao

#

i remember 8th edition CSM

open pumice
rose thorn
#

space marines didnt do too godo

#

but htey usually get a 2.0 book

rose thorn
#

it was mostly just an 8th edition issue tho

#

as most of the balacncing was free online

open pumice
#

but yeah

#

its an 8th issue i know

#

it was also a 7th iossue

#

but like

#

for 9e

rose thorn
#

i remember demons in 8th

open pumice
#

genuienly it was
corebook, codex, maybe like a white dwarf if you were bringing some funky rules

rose thorn
#

to be fair white dwarves are fucking bullshit

open pumice
#

8th players finding out about heresy has been some funny shit to me

open pumice
rose thorn
#

i almost tried to get some WD rules i wanted wit warhammer plus

#

BUT

#

GUESS WHAT

open pumice
#

you were 7.2348756234786523 seconds late

#

and its oop

rose thorn
#

THE ONLINE VERSIONS CENSOR THE RULES

open pumice
#

L

rose thorn
#

HWY

open pumice
#

because fuck you

#

thats why

rose thorn
#

luckily with 10th that will be gone forever

open pumice
#

no

#

it wont

#

i give it

#

6 months

#

before the first white dwarf rules get published

rose thorn
#

i have hope for gw

open pumice
#

meh

#

they said theyre still gonna print codexes

#

and so thats

#

what I care about

rose thorn
#

worst case itw ill be on WD earily and become free later on

open pumice
#

I dislike the cards

#

because theyre so

#

flavorless

rose thorn
copper patrol
#

so rules are free?

rose thorn
#

they are gonan be yeah

open pumice
coarse pumice
#

cards are a bit unwieldy, and can get lost

copper patrol
#

fucken finally

#

that's such a bullshit thing imo

coarse pumice
#

it was annoying in 2nd edition when your vehicle and wargear cards went missing

rose thorn
#

my bet is that you can get buy physical shit to get early rules

#

before they become free

open pumice
coarse pumice
#

if they need randomisation with cards, they could use playing cards and a table in codex/rulebook, then sell WHFB/40k themed playing cards

#

and they've used playing cards in the past in some games iirc

rose thorn
#

i honestlu dont thinkt eh cards are soo bad, i think the abilites area could be bigger tho

#

Theres probably gonna be fanamde version

#

to change it up for ppl

coarse pumice
#

I just found them impractical; it's one of the few things that 3rd edition did right to put it all in the books

#

though it was funny because you could give wargear cards of special character wargear to normal characters

rose thorn
#

i see my self getting one of those things that you use to flip thorugh phone numbers and slap these on there

data_card.png
#

or a keychain

coarse pumice
#

there might be too many units these days, but usually there was a table in the back of the codex with the entire army's profiles on it, and if they had complex rules you'd often have to look in the book anyway

rose thorn
#

well witht he rules free you can probably print your shit out

#

so you dont have to bother with the units you dont have

coarse pumice
#

with infinity (another wargame), their army list maker was online and can export the list with all your profiles you used as a pdf

rose thorn
#

that reminds me when GW tried to make one of htose and no one used it

torpid narwhal
#

What are space wolf's like

celest dome
#

Very dog like, like smelly, lacking manners, have high chances of having rabies

copper patrol
#

depending on who you ask

torpid narwhal
#

They talk like larpers

copper patrol
#

they are noble warriors that stand up for the common people or uncouth savages that are a bunch of furries

torpid narwhal
#

They seem like fucking nerds

summer rover
#

they drink, they kick xeno ass to amuse themselves, they like to drive tanks. they also make the blood angels look whiney.

#

also you can put 'em in a dreadnaut and they don't forget how to lead.

rose thorn
torpid narwhal
open pumice
#

Theyre space vikings™️

torpid narwhal
#

is everyone in warhammer off their rocker?

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Theres a 70% chabce any old lore fact was made directly after snorting a line of coke

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Theres still a 30% chance of any new lore fact following the same chance

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"Noooooo you cant colonise that world, ita our world, what do mean mean theres no civilization on it? Cant you tell its our world! Just because we murder fucked the fourth chaos god into existence and doomed our civilization, meaning we had to evacuate everything doesnt mean its not our world!"

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Imperium: literally all space fascists
Orks: lol
Dark Eldar: lol
Chaos: lol
Votann: guess they're pretty saeme they're just neoliberal capitalists taken to its logical extreme. maybe not on second thought
necrons: all going loopy after their sixty million year nap

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-least braindead craftworld eldar

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Votann dont have lore

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Votann have like

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ok but you got a baseline fact about the craftwofld Eldar

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3 paragraphs

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wrong

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Im waiting for votann to get real lore

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So we can see how fucking wacky they are

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the craftworld Eldar are explicitly the Eldar who didn't cause slaanesh

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they are the ones who left, seeing what was to come, and were unable to stop it

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Eldar, running away from their problems since the dawn of time

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yeah bro they're total fucking cowards bro

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just like the Ukrainians who left their country when Russia invaded

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Bruh

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running away from their problems

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Mans taking this shitpost too seriously

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i thought shitposts were supposed to be funny? you're just regurgitating unfunny memes

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Shitposts have never been funny

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Thats what makes them shitposts

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Eldar are mad psychos

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Anyway eldar running away will continue to be comedic until their army shtick isnt running away from your opponent

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I hate warp spiders I hate warp spiders I hate warp spiders I hate warp spiders

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oh tyranids, tyranids aren't insane

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they're animals

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The hive mind is malevolent

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As much as i hate that lore

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Its out there

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that's really stupid

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i always thought the tyranids were meant to be animals, which is why they can't do diplomacyh or long-term planning, because a swarm of llocusts can't do diplomacy or long-term planning

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Craftworod eldar are insane because theyll trade entire civilizations to safe some half decrepid crafrworld because their farseer with an impronoincable name forsaw thwir deaths somewhere else

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So like

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Each gaunt is an animal

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if the hive mind is malevolent that implies it has some degree of - like, i guess, personality. or willpower? because malevolence requires like a degree of thought

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And they are phsychically controlled by the synapse creatures

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yeah i understand this, but my understanding was that the hive mind wasn't a dude.

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it was just like, a - how do i describe it

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Its always been semisentient

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But just

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yes. but not sapient

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Was driven just by hunger

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They went and decided

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What if hivemind malevolent

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you can't talk to it. you can't deal with it. you can't trade. it thinks the same way an ant colony 'thinks'.

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Ye

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if the hivemind is malevolent that just makes it like a really lame chaos god

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Not really

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"graargh i hate the galaxy. eat it."

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Its more malevolent in the sense that between killing something swiftly, or making it suffer, ita likely to make it suffer for the hell of it

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Assuming theres no concequence to do so

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So like

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Between kicking a child to death

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And shooting the child with a gun

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The hivemind will choose the former

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Assuming that they wont have deaths doing so

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The tyranids also arent one hive mind