40k-lore-chat

[green loom]

He's neither

He's just chnage

[urban spire]

you people are weak of faith

i am going to be blessed with so many eyes, you are going to be so jealous

[arctic talon]

Eyes on the inside of our brain

[celest dome]

Hope is not for the Gods, hope is for the one that dies, the one that suffer. Neither of the Chaos God represent hope. Even the God of Change represent an immutable rule

[pale onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/daredevil-daredevil-dog-tough-dog-red-mask-dog-gif-23418245

[celest dome]

Join us into the real hope of the Warp. Baby Bel is your only hope

(Though I'm a devout of the Great Beast)

[crimson kayak]

Just like how Khorne doesn't care where the blood flows tzneetch doesn't care where change happens

Same as how nurgle doesn't care what kind of malaise you use or slaneesh not caring about what kind of torture device you'll pull up

[echo vault]

The lion is voiced by Zach hadel

[gloomy citrus]

Nurgle might be the only one who seems to care.

[crimson kayak]

He only cares that his followers don't actually try to engineer and spread entropy faster, and even then it happened like, once with one great unclean

[celest dome]

"seem"

[gloomy citrus]

He's the closest thing you get.

The other three just don't give a shit.

[crisp heath]

Excited to keep track of nid Ws in 10th ed

Trailer makes 1

[open pumice]

well you can stop counting cause thats all your gonna get lol

[crisp heath]

it's tyranid season babey

bug boys are back

[open pumice]

Damn straight

i'm turning on the grill

prime game season

[green loom]

Kinda want to write a horror short about the Watchers

[open pumice]

Your gonna have to be more specific, which "watchers" are we on about here

theres like

5 different "watchers" in the imperium alone

[green loom]

The Watchers in the Dark

[open pumice]

ah

[green loom]

Lil scary boys

Always found them a bit unsettling

[open pumice]

theyre not scary

theyre cute

loyal little jawas

[green loom]

Adorable though they may be, there's some freaky stuff going on with them

And i want to write about them basically murdering an inquisitor that got too snoopy

[arctic talon]

yeah they do that lol

[green loom]

Or maybe POV from a daemon/traitor during the recent attack on le rock

[arctic talon]

tbh

It works for almost anything

if you mess with the watchers you "vanish"

[open pumice]

no touch the space jawa

[green loom]

"it could sense it, warp taint. Blanketing the stones the great station lay upon, familiar yet oh so unknowable. It sneered, mocking the many tapestries and relics on display, until it found itself in a barren, Stone hall, an unfamiliar tinge of dread building up in it's spine"

Something like that

Though admittedly I haven't written actual stuff like, ever

[open pumice]

you gotta start somewhere

[crisp heath]

Watchers are adorable

[topaz gate]

Are there any characters in the Alpha legion other than Alpharius? Cuz at this point I’m pretty sure it just goes
Alpharius
Alpharius
Alpharius
Alpharius
Alpharius
Alpharius
Alpharius
And Omegon (deceased?)

[vale shuttle]

there's at least one named character (a sniper) in 30k from the alpha legion

[topaz gate]

Lemme guess. Alpharius?

[vale shuttle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exodus

[topaz gate]

Oh damn

[vale shuttle]

no, Exodus

[topaz gate]

Huh

Cool

[vale shuttle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Known_Members_of_the_Alpha_Legion

further reading for you

[topaz gate]

Ty

[vale shuttle]

i don't believe the alpha legion has an Abaddon / kharn / Erebus / Ahriman figure though

[topaz gate]

Awww

[vale shuttle]

i don't know if there's any named characters for 40k

[topaz gate]

They cool tho

[vale shuttle]

they're one of the underserved legions

theyre just not popular enough to get a robust array of named characters

which leads to a lack of interest

[topaz gate]

It’s a damn cycle

[vale shuttle]

it's the fate of most of the factions tbh

did you know that Harlequins cannot field a single named character?

[topaz gate]

Yeah

But I’m pretty sure that’s by design

[vale shuttle]

Death Guard, despite their popularity, only have Typhus and Mortarion in their codex

[topaz gate]

That’s dumb

[vale shuttle]

yeah you'd expect them to add in maybe a named non-psyker chaos lord

[topaz gate]

Yeah

I’d like to see a model of Eliphas personally

[vale shuttle]

Eliphas would be a great option for Word Bearers, even though he joined black Legion

[topaz gate]

Make him leave and lead the Word Bearers again

Fuck the Black Legion

[vale shuttle]

Black Legion have Abaddon and Harkon iirc, and Abaddon is a monolithic figure among Chaos as a whole

idk if word bearers have a named character for themselves for 40k, hm

[topaz gate]

They should

Hell have Lorgar and Corvus Corax return so they can fight

Not right now though, we JUST got Lion back

[vale shuttle]

next up for Chaos is Fulgrim

the Emperor's Children are going to get a reboot as a full army.

every other monogod Legion has been rebooted so it's only logical

[green loom]

Black Legion have loads of characters

Personally would like to see Vortigern, one of the Fallen and a member of the Ezekarion

Dunno if he's still alive sadly

Alpha Legion also, though mostly relegated to books
In heresy they're tied closely with the perpetuals and show up in the most recent book, won't spoil what they're doing though

You also have that one warband, "The Redacted" I think, led by a loyalist with a very fucked up way of justifying it

They feature in "Sons of the Hydra"
Though they aren't "real" alpha legion

[green loom]

Erebus and Kor Phaeron are still active iirc

[torpid narwhal]

Are the iron warriors chaos?

[green loom]

Ye

Undivided

But they're pretty much polar opposites to the Word Bearers, and they basically just use chaos worship as a tool

[green loom]

The most daemon they get is the odd prince and enslaving them for daemon engines

[dense mortar]

One could argue that the Space Wolves have the highest resistance to Chaos.

As such, are best positioned to face them.

[crisp heath]

A friend just said she wouldn't date a trans woman because she's worried they'll make her learn 40k lore and I have never been so insulted

[topaz gate]

I’m ok with this

[vale shuttle]

||please don't call me out like this||

[vale shuttle]

fulgrim is apparently a big purple serpent-man now so that'll be really goddamn cool to see in model form

[topaz gate]

He snek

[crisp heath]

I want to see snakegrim vs clonegrim

[vale shuttle]

||cllonegrim is never being mentioned again and 40k fans need to make their peace with this||

[crisp heath]

Clonegrim will come back if we all believe

[celest dome]

Nope, Ultramarine and Imperial Fist are more durable in the face of Chaos

Also, Wulfen

[dense mortar]

IF anything, Wulfen is proof of the surviving SWs strength

by not only conquering the rigors of physical combat and transformation, but taming their inner beast.

Plus, Russ's gene-seed gives them a unique resistance to chaos

[vale shuttle]

you need to let it go

[celest dome]

Please mate. Don't make the SW fan into the same annoying group that the Iron Warrior are

[vale shuttle]

clonegrim isn't coming back

[crisp heath]

Gray Knights exist, and also Exorcists, who are cooler Gray Knights

[vale shuttle]

he was a one-off thing for a book!!!

[crisp heath]

he was the chosen one

[celest dome]

Are the Exorcists all Psykers ?

[green loom]

Don't think so

[celest dome]

Librairian I suppose

[green loom]

But they all go through daemonic possession so there's that

[celest dome]

If they want to return an equal number of Primarch on every side. Without reviving the confirmed dead. How many would we end up with on each side

[green loom]

Ideally none

[celest dome]

We're way past the none

[vale shuttle]

Mortarion, Angron, Fulgrim, Magnus, Lorgar and Perturarbo
Lion, Guilliman, Russ, Vulkan, Khan (pls no), Corvus (pls no)

[green loom]

If either Russ or Vulkan come back then we're in the endgame

So I doubt we'll ever really see them

[crisp heath]

Eh I think it's pretty likely they'll bring back Russ in the near future, probably a lot faster than they did Lion

[vale shuttle]

i estimate a 100% chance that Russ returns

in fact i would say he's probably the next loyalist back

[crisp heath]

He's popular with fans, SW get spoiled by GW, and farsight kneels before the Tree of Life

No way we aren't getting Russ relatively soon

[vale shuttle]

yeah it wouldn't surprise me if he came in the next 1-2 years

[crisp heath]

After that Vulkan, and then it's up in the air if and when they bring back Corax, Dorn and Khan

[vale shuttle]

iirc corax lefdt cause he was so disgusted by the imperium

i really really really really don't want him to return

[crisp heath]

Corax left because he wanted to beat the shit out of Lorgar

[vale shuttle]

oh lmao

i must be confusing him with someone else

well when lorgar returns we'll get corax back i bet

[green loom]

Yeah he left on a one man murder crusade

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/gei2xa/book_excerptshadow_of_the_past_lorgar_and_corax/

He's doing quite well

[uneven temple]

the classic

tossing lorgar off the top of the cage into a table full of his own sons

[vale shuttle]

if corax's model is a biblically accurate crow-angel i'll buy it

i dont even play loyalist marines but i'd buy it

[crisp heath]

Iirc lorgar is currently locked in a tower "meditating" (his code for "hiding from my fucking terrifying brother")

[dense mortar]

Oh, just wait until my presentation later today.

[celest dome]

Iirc he managed to leave and if leading some sort of crusade atm

[green loom]

I'm excited to see what the warp does to Leman

If it did anything anyway

Corvus became a murder monster that shifts forms as easily as the changeling only a few dozen times more powerful and able to go toe to toe with arguably one of the heaviest hitters among the Daemon Primarchs

[celest dome]

I just hope they don't turn him into a Werewolf like creature

[green loom]

You know they will

[vale shuttle]

MAKE HIM LOOK LIKE A BIBLICALLY ACCURATE ANGEL

[green loom]

Bu he's no angel

[celest dome]

Like all the Alternate Heresy also usually do that. Russ goes to Khorne and become a wolf shaped Primarch. Like it's just so low inspiration

[coarse pumice]

they should make pugnus fistborn for the imperial fists, who rides a giant flying fist and uses two power fists

[celest dome]

Like no, make Russ become Odin, with either an Undivided or Tzeentch alliance. And Corvus as Khorne's Primarch

[coarse pumice]

he was raised by wild fists

[vale shuttle]

but it'd be cool and unique

you could give him crow instead of angel wings

[green loom]

But it's not the Raven man's style!

Plus he already has a design thing of "Moving mass of shadow"

[vale shuttle]

raven man has been in the warp for 10k years!!!!?

he should look like a fucked up warp monster

and a biblically accurate angel is monstrous while also vibing with the overall imperial aesthetic

[green loom]

Imagine if his model would just be a blue-grey lump with a bunch of contorted raven heads screaming

[vale shuttle]

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/1114398432/biblical-angel-ophanim-resin-model?click_key=2a37bd8478f02a1bf57ce1faee178d491735a00e%3A1114398432&click_sum=bb5b78ed&ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=biblically+accurate+angel&ref=sr_gallery-1-8&sts=1

or maybe this!!!

https://www.etsy.com/au/listing/952007086/seraphim-angel-for-dungeons-and-dragons?click_key=dc548814b0369bb0d3563a943942b980247db4d0%3A952007086&click_sum=0cfc22af&ref=internal_similar_listing_bot-1&listing_id=952007086&listing_slug=seraphim-angel-for-dungeons-and-dragons

[vale shuttle]

that's cool too id be down for that

(also im gonna use one of those models for my new sisters army for a living saint i decided)

[green loom]

It's annoying to portray him though because the short story goes through like half a dozen forms he takes and none of them are simple save a weird white creature and his old self

[vale shuttle]

if they do decide to give him a model that'll be his "true form"

or maybe "battle form"

[green loom]

It'd have to be a two stage one

Like Morathi

[crisp heath]

Odin and a werewolf are both stupid ideas for a returned Russ, no offense

[celest dome]

One is more dumb than the other

At least Odin Russ would be something new

[crisp heath]

The Emperor is called the Allfather on Fenris, so he's seen as one and the same as Odin. Russ is his son. Fenris is known for its Thunderwolves. Russ returns as the Son of the Allfather, God of Thunder, Thor, a being crackling with warp energy and a voice that can shatter eardrums.

[dense mortar]

Since we are on the topic of Russ

Chances are he is actually already back, in my in depth analysis of current lore

Also, Fenris leans heavy on viking lore, practices, culture, and naming conventions. So it makes sense they refer to E as Allfather. In fact, Lemans very name is a inspiration of the viking name Læmaðr; which translates literally to "berserker"

[crisp heath]

I mean both those things are incorrect

[vale shuttle]

adding this to my Big Box of On-The-Nose 40K Names

[celest dome]

Zerokewl living in an alternate universe is the only way to make sense of him

[crisp heath]

Leman was literally a random name made up for no reason other that attributing it to an in-universe quote

Læmađr is also an extremely rare old norse word used to refer to someone who commits murder with poison, it literally means "poison man", but good work finding literally one of the most obscure old norse words I know of

[vale shuttle]

very sad about my Big Box of On-The-Nose 40K Names being one entry smaller

[dense mortar]

We could debate back and forth on this, as you are correct it is very old. As such, there are actually a couple different meanings it can hold. Similar to other ancient society naming conventions

[crisp heath]

... no one in any period of Scandinavian society would use læmađr as a given name

I believe the word is used in a variant form in "The Death of Sinfjolti", where it would be læmey or læmy

Which is the feminine form of the word

Mađr is never used in given names in old norse

[dense mortar]

I am not a Norse major, so I will defer to you. However, I am an SW expert. I can say unequivocally that Russ is top 3 of the Primarchs. His return will, infact, usher in a new era for the Imperium.

[celest dome]

Mate last month you were new to the lore

[dense mortar]

Well, your definitely not wrong there.

But I ahve been through the aspirant challenges since that time. I am a wolf

heart and soul

[celest dome]

You're a parody, just like the SW are

They are cool, but they aren't the best in anything, middle of the pack is what they are

[dense mortar]

I have definitive proof that this is simply not true.

[vale shuttle]

holy shit this is some massive cope

[celest dome]

You have no proof, you have no knowledge, like the SW, like Russ, it's your right, but stop ridiculing yourself and the SW any further

[vale shuttle]

nothing under heaven can save the Imperium.

it's failing. it's always been failing. without the Emperor and his OP god powers it was always doomed to fail. it's too inefficient, too bigoted, too arrogant, too ignorant. it squats in the bones of two greater civilizations, picking their corpses clean for resources and tech. it throws wave after wave of men at the things that threaten it in the most callous and moronic way possible. it survives only through the fact that it hit a snowball point, a point where it got so big that it could draw on enough resources to keep itself failing despite its inefficiency.

[dense mortar]

Im not saying The Great Wolf can save the Imperium. I have accepted the idea that the imperium is much like a planet caught in the gravitational pull of a sun. Slowly orbiting closer and closer until extinction. But. I believe Russ, as one of the more prestigious Primarchs, has the ability to alter course slightly.

[vale shuttle]

one man cannot undo such profound structural rot. especially not one who is bound to the current world order so tightly

[crisp heath]

Leman Russ is in the top 3 primarchs

He's a self-sabotaging moron with blind loyalty to a father who sees him as a mere weapon, and that makes him the best boy

[vale shuttle]

Russ can kill things very good but that's all he can do. but the Imperium is going to fight harder and harder foes as time goes on, and since there's a limited amount of Primarchs and innovation in the Imperium is measured on a timescale of millennia it won't be enough

[vale shuttle]

big R's ideal son

E. Whatever.

[crisp heath]

You like Space Wolves because you think they're great. I like Space Wolves because I know they suck. We are not the same.

I do think there's one thing Russ has that would make his return very interesting

Alone among the primarchs, Russ is loyal to the Emperor as a man, not to the Emperor's ideals. If authors can play that well, we could have a very interesting conflict of interests.

[dense mortar]

It is my belief, that he has been fighting in the warp the last several thousand years. And his return will align with the second coming of Big E

and you'll all see

[vale shuttle]

second coming of Big E is gonna be the Fall of the Eldar for humanity

don't @ me

[celest dome]

Lol the second coming of the Emperor might never come, and if it does, who is to say that it's going to be a good thing for Mankind

[crisp heath]

Honestly if GW keeps moving the plot forward in the direction it's headed, we might see the Imperium lose Terra. There's a lot of things that could wipe its human population off the map, and it would be kickass if the way they decide to really shake up the setting is the Emperor deciding the sacrifice quadrillions of people so he can stretch his legs a bit.

Like if they really commit to this "Big E is waking up" angle, they've more or less set in stone that's an apocalyptic event

[copper patrol]

[crisp heath]

If my theory that Leviathan is going to attack Terra turns out to be true, I could totally see it happening

[vale shuttle]

the second coming of the emperor should shatter the Imperium so i can finally have my not-xenocidal human empire that i want please 🥺

[celest dome]

Nah, those existed, and were destroyed already

[crisp heath]

Interex did nothing wrong

[copper patrol]

I feel like second coming of the emperor wou;d basically end up being 40k end times

minus the bad writing

maybe

but probably not

[crisp heath]

I think they're actually taking a big leap of faith and knocking some huge blows to the Imperium

The 10e trailer basically confirms that they aren't winning the Dark Imperium back anytime soon

[vale shuttle]

i understand that

but i'd like if My Dudes™️ didn't have to be automatic racists

[crisp heath]

It looks like 10e is going to focus on reviving old stuff more than bringing in new stuff and I could see them dealing some serious blows to the imperium to make that happen

We got a taste of it with the Votann, now they're releasing new beastmen, and the trailer has the 2e Carnifex in it

[green loom]

I mean ngl even without the imperium your only real hope is being near the Tau, because the other option is trusting the Eldar which smaller empires might just not be able to afford

Because there's a 50/50 they'll help or lure a massive enemy/sabotage you because their farseers are cranky that afternoon

[copper patrol]

-eldar try not to fuck over potential allies challenge impossible

[vale shuttle]

i dont really wanna get into it, but this is literally just not true. you dont have to be a racist to live in the 40K galaxy

[green loom]

Maybe not straight xenophobes imperium style ig?

[crisp heath]

There are corners of the Imperium that get away with a little xenos lovin even

[green loom]

Literally in the case of Inquisitors/Rogue Traders if you catch my meaning

[crisp heath]

It happens, regardless of how many people insist it doesn't

Also holy shit that's low res

[green loom]

Can't wait for the rogue trader game to let you romance the Eldar

[crisp heath]

Rogue Trader is a coward for not letting me romance an ork

Jk, I would never betray Cassia, my beloved

I normally think Eldar look too freaky but Yrliet... soft would?

[celest dome]

Can't even date the Sister of Battle

[crisp heath]

Of course you can't, look at her, she has a girlfriend already

[crimson kayak]

Is the rogue trader game still in in alpha or whatever?

[crisp heath]

Yeah

Most dateable xenos, best to worst:

1. Tyranid
2. Ork
3. Necron
4. Kroot
5. Exodite
6. Eldar
7. Tau
8. Drukhari

This is inalienable fact

Oh genestealer is between Exodites and Eldar

[gloomy citrus]

How to spawn a Chaos God: the tutorial.

[near wasp]

This list just have me shellshock

[crimson kayak]

To be perfectly fair everything done en masse can spawn a chaos god

[green loom]

Guard are always at risk of spawning a chaos god of drip

[gloomy citrus]

Just ask the Praetorians.

Or the Iron Guard.

[near wasp]

Id rather charge a flayer than deal with this convo anymore

[green loom]

A flayer will just freeze and eat you

[crimson kayak]

I mean they are third on the list so yeah good choice

[near wasp]

Thats better than this

[crisp heath]

Also daemons go Khorne, Nurgle, Slaanesh, Tzeentch

[crimson kayak]

And unaligned

[crisp heath]

So for unaligned I'd use chaos spawn as the baseline and I'd put them between Khorne and Nurgle

[near wasp]

The only thing ive gathered is you are down atrocious

[crimson kayak]

Wait, why are exodites and Eldar on different sections?

[crisp heath]

Spiritual superiority

Exodites activate colonizer instict

[vale shuttle]

||what if ur into drukhari tho||

[crisp heath]

Then you're wrong

[near wasp]

Ok thats it im getting the commisar

Just cause gman like the drukari doesnt mean everybody does

[vale shuttle]

good luck when i dont even play imperium 😎

i assure you guilliman does not like the dark eldar

[crisp heath]

Would

[vale shuttle]

smash / pass every single xeno variant

[crisp heath]

Start posting em and I'll let you know

[vale shuttle]

a slaugth

[crisp heath]

Soft pass

[vale shuttle]

jokaero ||there's a right answer to this||

[crimson kayak]

It will never come for the simple reason that it would change things so drastically that they would basically have to pull an end times and reorganize the universe around the idea "yes, the emperor is alive and officially a God"

[crisp heath]

Pass

[vale shuttle]

snotling

[crisp heath]

Pass

[vale shuttle]

a rangdan

[near wasp]

Pass

[crisp heath]

All we really know is they're called cerebrovores which means brain eater

So smash

[vale shuttle]

tau ethereal

[crisp heath]

Pass

[vale shuttle]

vespid

[crisp heath]

Oof

Smash?

[vale shuttle]

acceptable

prime ork

[crisp heath]

How tall are those again

[green loom]

Big

[vale shuttle]

they're like 10 feet tall or something

[near wasp]

12 ft of something

[crisp heath]

30 feet smash

[vale shuttle]

felinid (probably maybe idk)

[crisp heath]

They aren't xenos, pass

[vale shuttle]

bro i cant believe we fgorgot

kroot

[crisp heath]

Smash

[vale shuttle]

i think we've learnt a lot

im out of xenos

it's not that there's not more i could use, i'm just not gonna find anymore

[celest dome]

Beastmen ? (Only have Tzaangor on my phone)

[near wasp]

Smash but only if i can get drunk first

[crisp heath]

Pass

[vale shuttle]

beastmen aren't xenos

[vale shuttle]

so by strawb's rules they must get an auto-pass

[crisp heath]

However there was a female beastman mini for fantasy with her titties out and thats...

Smass? Pash?

[vale shuttle]

well maybe we'll get that for 40k considering we now have a beastmen kill team

sure it wont take long for a 3d printing organization to make "horny space beastmen"

[celest dome]

I'd be surprised if it doesn't already exist

[vale shuttle]

im not gonna look for it, sorry 😔

[copper patrol]

[celest dome]

I fully understand, and I am proud that you wont

[vale shuttle]

ai remember i once boiught this massive zip file of 40k stls for 3d printing

and there were so many horny tau

like tau with giant watermellon titties

[copper patrol]

was it from wargames exclusive

[vale shuttle]

maaaaybe???

i cant remmeber who i got it from

i didnt check all the files but the other ones i looked at had no horny. it seemed to b e tau localized.

[crimson kayak]

I want it just to have this dude, because let's face it, if you are fighting anything in 40k with just a pair of knuckledusters you must be some crazy mofo

[vale shuttle]

i really love a lot of the kill teams but like

i just prefer 40k proper, so i cant justify spending my money on them

i gotta invest in full armies man

[crimson kayak]

Eh, rulewise I prefer kill team

Also cost wise lol

I just don't like that all beastmen variety has officially been reduced to Horned Human Goat

[vale shuttle]

make beastmen more varied ||so i can make an army of femboy foxes||

or chaos squirrels, that'd be cool

[crimson kayak]

For this through now we are getting combat patrol so it's gonna be easier

Btw the lion book is described as the lion facing Angron "to decide the fate of Imperium Nihilus", and considering it's the arks of omen finale i guess they are just gonna split guilliboy toward terra/western fringe to face the nids while the lion gets in charge of keeping up indomitus

[near wasp]

I wonder if lion will visit dad

[dense mortar]

A short, concise, and near irrefutable excerpt of my research that indicates Russ is A or S tier in terms of Primarchs.

[vale shuttle]

are you really ghoing through 40K novels studying them like they're history books?

[near wasp]

He is

[vale shuttle]

bro idk how to tell you this but leman russ isn't real

also the answer to "who would win in a fight" is always "who the writer wants to win"

[dense mortar]

There is some universal string theory out there that states that its quite possible, even likely, that an infinite number of universes exist. And on one. Russ is real.

[near wasp]

Sir 40k is fiction chill

[crimson kayak]

And writers will write them as powerful or weak as they want so all your points are moot

Because consistency is not a thing around these parts boy

[dense mortar]

Ohhhhhhhhhh. So now that I come packing heat, we want to revert to "Well writers just do what they want"

[vale shuttle]

yeah like, 40k is a super inconsistent setting there was a dicussion like yesterday or the day before about a piece of lore that has been retconned four times

[crimson kayak]

We always said that

Like, 3 out of 4 of my responces to questions here is "it depends"

Lol

[vale shuttle]

i've never talked with you about this beforfe mr zerokewl, and if i was involved in any of the discussions i would've said the same thing

[crimson kayak]

Also this, I know jackshit about russ

[vale shuttle]

also primarchs can't be ranked on a ratio scale

because primarchs are characters and not statblocks (despite the literal existence of their statblocks)

[dense mortar]

I agree. Its a subjective thing that can be debated. I am debating in the defense that Russ is the strongest.

[vale shuttle]

my favourite primarch isn't even the one i have for an army, because i prefer the character ofg my favourite

[crimson kayak]

Btw, it's just facts, when a space marine in one material is a literal demigod and in the next they die because they smelled something funny, you can't really call it consistent

[near wasp]

The primarchs are all tools for a purpose. Also sanginious is just the top primarch without debate

[crimson kayak]

And yes, it's an euphemism so don't take the two examples too literally

[vale shuttle]

this isn't true

also what do you mean by "strongest"

if you mean the classic "white void test" where you imagine two characters in a white void then angron is on top

[dense mortar]

Duelist, in this particular debate.

[vale shuttle]

so yeah the white void test

angron beat russ famously, and though russ gave angron a big lesson about camraderie and leadership angron still had him on the ropes

[near wasp]

Also vulcans the "strongest" primarch because he cant die

[green loom]

Until he does

[celest dome]

And we have already told you that the fact point toward Russ not being the best duelist, up to you to accept what already happened in the lore or not

[vale shuttle]

||frisk from undertale is the most powerful character in fiction, don't @ me||

[near wasp]

I counter with steve from minecraft

[vale shuttle]

does it even matter if russ is the best? i never really thought russ' value was on his ability to 1v1

[dense mortar]

Thats it. I need a coffee break. I have been sifting through 40k text for 24 hours straight.

[green loom]

Sleepy Jon/Dark Jonson is the most powerful Primarch

[crimson kayak]

That's probably the main problem

[vale shuttle]

whyyyyyy

bro 40k isn't real, don't read 40k texts like they're historical documents

[celest dome]

Didn't someone calculate how much Steve could hold and its a gigantic weight ?

[green loom]

If you haven't noticed, he's probably fucking with you

[near wasp]

Nobody types that much to fuck with somebody

[green loom]

You'd be surprised

[vale shuttle]

idk man there's some weirdos in 40k fandoms

[near wasp]

I am one of said people and even i wouldnt go that far

[vale shuttle]

and this kind of lore essentialism is super fucking common

[celest dome]

You'd be surprised by the fanatism that some people show toward warhammer lore

[green loom]

40k fans are legendarily easy to lead on especially with le heccin lore "debates"

[vale shuttle]

anyway if he is all he gets is me being perplexed before going back to palying assassin's creed odyssey

[near wasp]

Also 40k is filled with unrelieble narrators

[vale shuttle]

yeah there's multiple trigger phrases you can use to get people to instantly go wild with 40K lore lmao

[green loom]

Anyway here, bacon and eggs exist

[near wasp]

For me its mentioning repentia engines

[celest dome]

Assassin Creed gameplay but you play as a Genestealer cultist, that could be a fun 40k game

[vale shuttle]

for some reason i still get into certain arguments even though it's pointless, even though i know it wont lead to anything productive ||mostly female space marines||

[vale shuttle]

actually that'd be super cool. maybe like first generation assassins creed where you just kinda counter-spammed your way to victory

[crimson kayak]

And unreliable powers too, like the time Curze, who has literal precognition, gets his back broken by the lion

[green loom]

Aliens vs predator game alien campaign but genestealer

[near wasp]

Everybody has there soft spots

[green loom]

Just because he sees it isn't a guarantee he'll prevent it

[vale shuttle]

curze's big thing was that he basically believed that the world was on a linear path

he beleivedw all of his foresight was set in stone, so he acted out everything he saw

including getting hius back broken, including being captured, including being killed

"death is nothing compared to vindication"

[celest dome]

Warhammer has a lot of potential for video game. But people need to understand that those game need to be able to stand on their own and should not be crammed in with everything warhammer has

[green loom]

Iirc it isn't set in stone and he just constantly went with the worst option because he was literally insane

[vale shuttle]

precognition in 40K is very inconsistent

[crimson kayak]

But I want titan legions in my servitor simulator

[near wasp]

Thats because there alot of different forms of procog

[crimson kayak]

Anyhow about the precog thing, that's exactly why I said unreliable powers

[near wasp]

Yeha i know just wanted to put in my two cents

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/DbiKUpEsdJ0

Ayo

its Arks of Meme time

[crimson kayak]

Ayooo

What does it say that I'm at work rn

[near wasp]

0-0 good morning dilara welcome to the unhinged hour

[storm jungle]

eyo 👋

[green loom]

Does Farsight finally become a khornate devotee

[storm jungle]

Damn i just started it lmao

[crimson kayak]

Lol

[storm jungle]

He is wearing red

so probably

about as deep as most 40k writing goes

[green loom]

See I knew it

Maybe now that he's chaos he'll actually die

Jk

[near wasp]

Or become a daemon prince

[crimson kayak]

I hope he does just so we can get the other members battlesuit models

[near wasp]

[vale shuttle]

farsight has a model, a datasheet, AND an entire faction

he's basically immortal

[green loom]

And a sword that makes him immortal

Literal textbook for "shitty OC omegalul"

[crimson kayak]

Literally has more things than the emperor

[vale shuttle]

emperor has a faction but no model or datasheet

[copper patrol]

smh my head

[vale shuttle]

if he'd just gotten a model and a adatasheet he would've been fine

fucking idiot

[green loom]

Y'know what I want to see in lore/model form

[vale shuttle]

YESSS

[crimson kayak]

Sisters on horseback?

[vale shuttle]

ive just started a sisters army and i would be all over cavalary

[green loom]

Sororitas Chevaliers

[vale shuttle]

it would be so damn cool

[green loom]

I've seen kitbashes so it's doable

[crimson kayak]

I mean, now that we actually got rough riders models it could work even more easily

[celest dome]

The Skitarii Cav could work quite well too

[vale shuttle]

sisters cavalary is such an obvious thing that they don't have that they don't need but would fit them so well

[crimson kayak]

Isn't the horse a robot?

[celest dome]

Yes

[green loom]

Cybernetic, I think

[vale shuttle]

||all imperium horses should be robots don't @ me||

[green loom]

You have not!Alexander on his robutt horse

[crimson kayak]

All imperium horses should be ironstriders and have planets dedicated to only having them run forever in circles

[vale shuttle]

that's super inefficient and silly

so that's peak imperiuim, i approve

[near wasp]

looks at doom strider

[green loom]

I mean the things literally can't stop so

[crimson kayak]

Doom strider?

[near wasp]

I might be misremebering the name

Im very tired

[crimson kayak]

No problem

[stiff spear]

teh sister\

[rose thorn]

Omg I love it

The imperium looking more like chaos then chaos it self is my favorite atheistic

[celest dome]

Doesn't really look that Chaos-ish

[dense mortar]

Anyone have Space Hulk?

[tulip sand]

Bruh i just watched the luetin vid on mortarian vs robert

So the emperor just came and roasted nurgle and mortarion?

And then mortarion wanted to rejoin or smth and he just said no

https://images-ext-2.discordapp.net/external/V0Vmutly4x0S0cMlwa83qNSK9iDMqE6hEgB47unW_fI/https/media.tenor.com/VwLSUZ_3kWQAAAPo/god-of-war-not-a-rapper.mp4

Idg why

[versed ledge]

So which marine chapter had the highest civilian kill count for lulz? Loyalist chapter that is

[gloomy citrus]

You mean Angron?

[dense mortar]

the game

[celest dome]

What about it ?

[celest dome]

Malevolent

[dense mortar]

I just downloaded it, and was just wondering if anyone played

[celest dome]

Lorewise it would be a good time to make a sequel, with Lion's return and the fact that Tyr will be taking a bigger part of the story for a time

[dense mortar]

No one throw tomatoes at me please, BUT - if the Lion is back. . Russ is probably close behind?

[signal bramble]

I was watching Luetin’s video on 10th and it got me thinking. GW announced that the Lion is out hunting the most powerful monsters he can find and will reunite with the dark angels.

If you know your Dark angels lore, they were originally from an order of knights called The Order and they regularly hunted down the monsters on Caliban. I’m hoping that’s the direction his storyline takes. They shift their focus from the Fallen to going back to their roots as monster hunting knights.

[arctic talon]

The tabletop game?

Oh

Nvm

[signal bramble]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/marveldatabase/images/e/ed/Incredible_Hulk_Vol_2_92_Second_Printing_Variant_Textless.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20091114194657

…I’m hilarious.

[dense mortar]

lol. Almost as cool as world breaker hulk. Talk about writers getting a little TOO carried away with power fluxs

Destroying the entire eastern seaborn with a single step . . we have descended into pandemonium in the writers room.

[near wasp]

Yeah

Get off work in 4 hours though

[dense mortar]

Ill probably still be around if you wanna jump on

[near wasp]

Ill start the download rn itll be ready by then

[celest dome]

Nothing really saying about it

[rose thorn]

About to roll our the real warhammer questions, what’s in lore entertainment like for the imperium?

Like social media and television and shit

i imagine its hella censored and propaganda

but like, do they have public execution TV hour

[queen laurel]

Every type of imperial entertainment i know are pretty much located on pleasure worlds

Because honestly that's like the only place they have entertainment because it's a literally built for entertainment

Other than pleasure world's i don't know anything else that the imperium does for fun

[copper patrol]

it's not grimdark to talk about so they don't mention it

presumably there is something

[mystic geyser]

Pretty much

Just not so much for the poor

[signal bramble]

In the Bloodlines novel which takes place on an industrial world has TV.

Holodramas are specifically mentioned so soap operas exist.

It also has night clubs.

There are also various types of sports that exist which are depicted as things like american football and soccer.

[signal bramble]

There's tv.

And sports etc.

[queen laurel]

Ohhhh, ok

[green loom]

Had a freaky ass dream, definitely want to write about the Watchers now

[queen laurel]

That's very interesting

[dense mortar]

Is bloodbowl real?

[queen laurel]

It's an alternate timeline from what i understand from warhammer fantasy

[copper patrol]

nuffle

the chaos god of sports

[storm jungle]

[green loom]

That's some pretty epic flavour text

[near wasp]

In the infinate and divine they mention musicians and a cafe on a planet called serenade. It wasnt a pleasure world.

[crimson kayak]

Yep, alternate reality where nuffle, the God of sports exists and basically as long as people do sports no wars happen, ench why the whole setting is constantly trying to keep people watching it.

[crimson kayak]

Depends, the tactics one, the fps or the deathwing edition of the fps?

Or wait, was it two different games?

Can't remember

[dense mortar]

Deathwing

I think me and GT are going to play tonight, if you have it.

[near wasp]

XD

My name is joseph. Gt stands for gamertag for microsoft since i play darktide on xbox game pass

[crimson kayak]

Oh no thanks, I wasn't home anyway

[near wasp]

Im not at home either got about 3 hours

@crimson kayak so if your available in like 3 hours hit us up

[crimson kayak]

Nay, I'll not be home till tomorrow morning

[near wasp]

Damn. Maybe tomarrow, ill certainly be around

[carmine sparrow]

Hi, I have a question. Why does male loner (dont know if female says it) sometimes says on the use of his ability "By the Five"

Does he consider The Emperor the 5th God? Given his personality it is unlikely.

[rose thorn]

A few chaos legions, mainly chaos guardsmen, consider the emperor another chaos god

But that’s kinda just because they were most likely born in the imperium

[celest dome]

Might be something related to the Moebian system in itself

But some say that it's due to Necromunda but that is fully unfounded

[rose thorn]

Shout out to the fact that it’s considered heresy if one ever put down a battle that has custodians in it as a loss. Is so dumb it’s kinda amazing

So there are battles that custodians lost

But they don’t write it down

[crisp heath]

Would the imperium purge chapters that use traitor geneseed if it were revealed?

[near wasp]

Most likely

Either that or theyd prolly send them on a suicidal penitent crusade to "atone"

Exept maybe the minotaurs they are in the high lords pocket so theyd prolly be fine (i know its just a rumor)

[rose thorn]

Im pretty sure the sons of the pheniox kinda just pay off the mechanicus to not say shit about where their geneseed comes from, but most likely yes

and they slap the 'rogal dorn' sticker onto it

[crisp heath]

I know the Raven Guard are aware that Carcharodons use traitor geneseed but they don't seem interested in exposing it to the wider imperium

[rose thorn]

thats not entirely tur

e

[crisp heath]

Thousand Sons know that Blood Ravens are their successors but didn't even tell Blood Ravens themselves lmao

[rose thorn]

the carcharadons are made up of the RG that were banished by Corax

and they steal geneseed form their enemies to replenish

[crisp heath]

Yeah, but the second novel basically confirms that they have more traitor than RG geneseed at this point

[rose thorn]

yeah that sounds right

they dont need to follow the rules because they are techincally renegade

but its self imposed so eH

[near wasp]

Arnt they a primaris only chapter created by cawl, so therefore endorsed by marsy boy himself

[rose thorn]

cawl or the fabricator general?

[near wasp]

Cawl

[rose thorn]

i dont think mar's fabricator general does anything anymore lmao

oh cawl doesnt car

e

he literlaly created an AI and installed it in gullimans ship

and lied about it being an AI

[crisp heath]

Guilliman got on Cawl's case specifically because he wasn't trying to hide the fact that sons of the Phoenix are made from fulgrims geneseed

[rose thorn]

LMAO

to be fair out of all the legions EC fell because of outside influence and not from internal influence

[crisp heath]

totally Imperial Fists

[rose thorn]

they are a super religious chapter

i forgot where i was going

uhhh

[crisp heath]

Guilliman basically said "don't make traitor primaris" and cawl said "oh I have a few thousand on ice already"

[rose thorn]

honestly id love to see these guys get a book

OMG THEIR WARCHANT IS LITEARLLY

From the fires of war we rise!

thats not questionable at all

for a chapter named after a chaos primarch

[summer rover]

cawl literally setting up a second heresy because he's a robot with a dead guy strapped on and doesn't get humanity

[near wasp]

The emperors childrens war cry is "For The Emperor"

[rose thorn]

oh in lore thats a joke

they say it because they find it funny

[near wasp]

Still is there warcry

[rose thorn]

its great lol

[gloomy citrus]

Loyalist Emperor's Children?

[near wasp]

Yeah. Wouldnt it be awesome if clone fulgrim returned to lead them. Give them both a true rise from the ashes

[crisp heath]

@gloomy citrus yes, but the official line is they're Imperial Fist successors

[gloomy citrus]

It's insulting to the loyalists who died on Isstvan III.

Tarvitz, Rylanor.

[near wasp]

Nobody knows how rylonor died but fulgrim

[crisp heath]

There's another loyalist EC chapter

Death Eagles, they aren't new either, they were founded right after the heresy

[rose thorn]

to be fair its a dying geneseed, i doubt they are gonna last long

like the EC geneseed is genetically flawed

[gloomy citrus]

It was infected before Fulgrim was found.

[near wasp]

Maybe primaris tech might help stabilize there issues but likely not

[rose thorn]

wasnt it still a factor? or was it cured by the time fulgrim was gound

around

[crisp heath]

It's kind of implied that Cawl has a way of restoring damaged geneseed that he rolled out with primaris, that's how he restored the Wolf Brothers and why chapters like Blood Ravens were pointed out to have gotten new geneseed

[gloomy citrus]

There was Fabius.

[rose thorn]

a fate worse then death

[gloomy citrus]

He never cured himself, he just cloned himself.

[near wasp]

Everybody else who was infected was culled

And trayzen stole a bunch of the ec geneseed

[gloomy citrus]

Except for Fabius, who pulled a Hydra Dominatus.

[near wasp]

I mean yeah, but hes a dickhead so thats to be expected

[rose thorn]

on the topic of bile

did CoB ever get a colorscheme?

[crisp heath]

Giving Blood Ravens new geneseed is really fascinating to me because it implies Cawl may have cured the flesh change

[gloomy citrus]

It was implanted by Tzeentch, most likely.

[crisp heath]

Nah Blood Ravens suffer from it too, it's just much rarer than the main Thousand Sons and they don't realize what it is, they think it's just normal mutation. It's mentioned in DoW1 that this can happen, and there's also an implication of it in one of the codices, let me find the quote

[green loom]

It's unlikely he cured it

Wulfen and Red/Black Thirsts have all surfaced in Primaris iirc

[gloomy citrus]

I guess that you just can't get rid of some factors.

[green loom]

Well no not really, magic tends to be weird like that

[crisp heath]

ravaged by it that they are no longer sane or, in some cases, even
humanoid anymore. These poor, unfortunate individuals are taken in
pentagrammically warded chains to a shuttered, lonely place on the
Omnis Arcanum known simply as ‘The Tower’, where they are studied
by the chapter’s Librarians to better understand what makes an
Aspirant fail and how they might hone the minds of those who survive
their trials. It is a horrifying place, echoing to the sounds of
lunatic screams and shunned by all, save those who must brave the
soul-destroying terror of those condemned to this place. What happens
behind the locked and warded doors of the Tower is never spoken of,
but there are dark tales of beasts conjured from beyond the veil and
briefly allowed to manifest themselves in the flesh of those
incarcerated within the Tower, before being banished back to the
warp. The veracity of such tales is suspect – to say the least but
were they proven true, they could potentially be the chapter’s
undoing...```

It was index astartes, not a codex my bad

[gloomy citrus]

Being a Thousand Son sucks.

Knowing that you could mutate at random, it could cause more mental problems then that of the Blood Angels.

[near wasp]

Could be why they steal everything

[austere frigate]

knowing all the work you put in could just mean nothing and the chance that your brothers could die too

[gloomy citrus]

Minotaurs steal shit too, and they don't have mental issues.

Though on a smaller scale.

[crisp heath]

"Minotaurs don't have mental issues"

[austere frigate]

no they just have autism

[green loom]

The Marines Malevolent steal shit too, and they're just assholes

[near wasp]

Well what im meaning is, they could be taking everything in sight and studying it in an attempt to fix there geneseed issues, also having wargear is nice

[gloomy citrus]

If Cawl couldn't fix them, how could they?

Hell, the Big E couldn't fix them.

[near wasp]

Desperation

[green loom]

Doesn't help that it's le heccin magic

[crisp heath]

They also didn't know where their geneseed came from until recently, like I said they thought it was just normal mutation

[austere frigate]

well you see if everything is fixed then weres the drama

[gloomy citrus]

Chaos, Tyranids, Genestealers, Eldar.

[crisp heath]

Blood Ravens learned the origin of their geneseed when Cawl provided them with a fresh batch and immediately hid their discovery from the rest of the Imperium

[austere frigate]

eldar getting their shit kicked in for the 5th time this week

[near wasp]

Imagine learning your entire families history was a lie

Gotta be rough

[gloomy citrus]

They didn't know who their daddy was, untill that happened.

[austere frigate]

you learn your decended from traitors

[gloomy citrus]

That doesn't instantly make you a heretic.

Look at Loken, Garro, or Tarvitz.

[copper patrol]

so are blood ravens canonically thousands son successors now?

[gloomy citrus]

Seems that way.

[austere frigate]

yeah but what if they get ideas

[near wasp]

I thought it was always implied and now its been confirmed

[gloomy citrus]

I don't think that the idea of being the puppets of the trolling God would give them much ideas.

Or the idea of being turned to ash.

[austere frigate]

pov: the fallen are secretly loyal to the imperium they are just pulling an alpha legion

[crisp heath]

The novel "Blood Ravens" spells it out pretty explicitly but some people working at GW have a back and forth over whether they like that

[gloomy citrus]

But it would give them an idea to fucking hate the sons of Leman.

[crisp heath]

So there is at least 1 novel where they are TS successors, and nothing came after to contradict that so I'll say yes even if some employees don't like it

[near wasp]

I dont think learning who there dad is makes them any more subseptible to chaos

[copper patrol]

it can

if the writing is bad

[gloomy citrus]

Cypher seems to be.

And the Alpha Legion might be somewhat loyal, for all we know.

[copper patrol]

it's doubtful at this point

[gloomy citrus]

It is the Alpha Legion.

[copper patrol]

mainly just becuse even with gw actually moving the story forward

[austere frigate]

honestly the fallen are just a ploy made the alpha legion to dunk on the dark angels

[copper patrol]

that'd be a big thing to have change

[crisp heath]

I think it's most likely that the bulk of Alpha Legion are traitor but not chaos aligned

[copper patrol]

yeah

[crisp heath]

And then you have some chaos and some loyalists on the fringes

[copper patrol]

if they ever reveal they are actually loyalist

it'll be like

at the 40k endtimes equivalent

[near wasp]

I bet some alpha marines defiantly wordhip tzeentch

[gloomy citrus]

It would be a nice change of things.

[green loom]

Fallen are very far from a united front

You have random renegades and full on Daemon princes

[gloomy citrus]

They're officially Undivided.

[green loom]

One of their number is a member of the Ezekarion

So basically as "traitor" as it gets

[crisp heath]

Alpha Legion is currently helping Be'lakor, and Be'lakor is fucking up Dark Angels and unaligned daemons at the same time so read into that what you will about their current loyalties

[gloomy citrus]

The Alpha Legion is confusing.

[near wasp]

Belakor rips his face off and its alpharious

[gloomy citrus]

Wasn't Alpharius killed by Dorn?

[copper patrol]

or was he

[near wasp]

Or it omegon

[crisp heath]

Yeah but Dorn didn't tell anyone so Omegon is pretending to be him

[near wasp]

What we know for sure is one of the twins is still alive

[gloomy citrus]

Let's hope it's the loyal one.

And that it's Omegon.

[crisp heath]

The one Dorn killed was definitely Alpharius, but he was ashamed of doing it and didn't advertise it

[near wasp]

I guess it boils down to if any alpha legion saw there dad die

[crisp heath]

Dorn hadn't seen any of his brothers in years and the first time he meets one again, it's a traitor and they have to fight to the death. Dorn is actually a really affectionate guy, there's a good excerpt from one of the HH novels where he talks a marine down from suicide, but he's too stubborn to be honest about it.

[gloomy citrus]

And whether they knew it was their dad.

[storm jungle]

Dorn killed Omegon

so yeet

Also people really need to realise the Alpha Legion is just chaos at this point tbh

[green loom]

They're a plot device with minimal lore

Like 90% of the sub factions

Their presence is massively overblown by the Alpharius meme

[dense mortar]

Wow. Something amazing just happened. I knelt down by a small somei yoshino this afternoon. The wind was softly blowing through the damp grass. . . almost like a whisper tracing through the yard. Then I heard a faint howl riding on that very wind. Of course, I turned to see what it was . .. possibly a dog? No. . . a vision. Before me stood you know who, and he spoke. "Keep heart warrior, for I am returning soon." . He placed his giant wolf hand on my shoulder, and with the nod of his head and wink of his eye . . . he vanished. What wonderful news indeed!

[storm jungle]

The new arks book released like yesterday also has them infiltrating the Deathwatch to can you guess what

HELP CHAOS AS USUAL OF COURSE

[copper patrol]

hmm

idk

they might be secret loyalists

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[green loom]

Totally bro, that one guy from Sons of the Hydra 100% represents the entire faction despite killing actual alpha legionnaires

[astral whale]

How can you have two left Pauldrons?

[green loom]

One is sergeant markings, the other is squad markings

[near wasp]

You dont its just sargents have there own

[tulip sand]

any recommendations for lore vids etc about the indomitus crusade and stuff that happened after cadia fell

length doesnt matter as long as its coherent

[green loom]

ngl man by the time you finish watching it it'll get retconned again

[hallow saddle]

Arbitor Ian's gathering storm vid (that's the lore about cadia falling etc)

Then something about the dawn of fire

And the psychic awakening stuff is also around the same time (but isn't really a story on its own)

The dawn of fire series is the story of the indomitus crusade basically

[distant panther]

Has anyone seen the new 40k trailer for new edition?

[green loom]

Watched it on stream yeah, screwed up my sleep schedule

[distant panther]

I think we are getting a new primaris squad

the man guy in the trailer had a new type of bolt rifle

[storm jungle]

Im just here for the new nids tbh

[green loom]

Might finally get combi bolt rifles

Also there was a Gravis apothecary

[green loom]

[distant panther]

THe guy with the knives

[green loom]

Look, he just wants a hug

[near wasp]

Sucks for him i dont want a hug

[distant panther]

lASCANN0N THE BITCH

[arctic talon]

Screamer killer

[bright anvil]

Children of the emperor, death to his foes! 🙂

[distant panther]

We also getting primaris flamers

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/vXGLnJ3mAJI

Oh dam don't tell me I was right

[storm jungle]

Oh shit Auspex doing a lore summary for this book?

https://tenor.com/view/surprise-welcome-one-sure-gif-13921142

[signal bramble]

He works in the lore a bit more because it’s something people want to know since a lot of them don’t buy the books.

Also fun fact, I’m a mod on the auspex discord. :3

[green loom]

I can't believe he's 100% going to turn to chaos

[signal bramble]

He didn’t quite summon daemons in that way.

He doesn’t even know what daemons are, he refers to them as Molochites as he actually believes them to be the natives of the place and not warp spawn.

[green loom]

That is quite funny, but I hope he does actually fall

[signal bramble]

Khorne and Tzeentch both want him actually.

[green loom]

Would spice up the Tau side of things and be suitably grimdark

[green loom]

Yeah I know, he's Phil Kelly's overloaded OC

[signal bramble]

Tzeentch hating the Tau actually makes a lot of sense to me with their very orderly and structured society.

[green loom]

Him falling to chaos would at least be interesting

Unlike him being le heccin based immortal warrior good guy

[vale shuttle]

so he's liuke the imperium during the great crusade where the marines were all "ah yes these daemons are native to the warp they are foul warp-xenos"

[signal bramble]

Who has also stated he wanted to cull humanity.

[signal bramble]

Correct. Though it’s also revealed the ethereals know what daemons are.

They keep the Tau ignorant which isn’t surprising.

[green loom]

Figure, I mean they have converted inquisitors who can 100% offer some insight

[signal bramble]

Even before that I imagine.

[green loom]

Might not have been aware of their exact nature is what I mean, they were likely aware of their existence before

[signal bramble]

An ethereal refers to the daemons as “The Nemesis” which implies a pretty serious confrontation at some point. Names mean a lot to the Tau.

Ethereals wouldn’t give a name like that to just anything

[green loom]

Now I'll be let down if Fartsight doesn't go full chaos koolaid

[signal bramble]

He won’t.

[green loom]

True, he is Kelly's OC

Maybe it'll be an ethereal instead since Kelly doesn't like them iirc

[signal bramble]

Yeah. I do like farsight as a character generally speaking. I thought his existential issues were portrayed pretty well tbh.

[green loom]

I don't like him as a concept

I mean

He's a totally independent edge case(quirky because the Tau are small and very heavily controlled)
He rules his own military junta that broke away from the Tau
He's one of the bestest commanders ever
Two chaos gods personally have their eyes on him
He has a heccin awesome super sword that extends his lifespan
And he's part of a love triangle

[signal bramble]

I kind of want to read the shadowsun book but I was warned not to because it’s so awful and when I read the spoilers I agreed.

[green loom]

I think Kelly might just be garbage at making a good scenario

[signal bramble]

Have you read the shadowsun book or read the spoilers?

[green loom]

I don't think I have?

Was it the Psychic Awakening one

[signal bramble]

No. There’s a new shadowsun novel that came out.

[green loom]

Oh then no

[signal bramble]

It came out in April I think.

[green loom]

But I remember the PA one and it was just her totally losing until le epic tactics caused her to easily win out of the blue

Which, from what I understand, is a theme for material with her

Just win because "Totally awesome tactics"

[signal bramble]

Right well the shadowsun book is called patient hunter and it completely changes the Tau’Va as in the greater good itself.

[green loom]

Uh oh

[signal bramble]

||It turns out, all along, Tau’Va is actually a goddess they were worshipping all along. Yes really.||

[green loom]

[signal bramble]

That is a thing that happened.

[green loom]

https://tenor.com/view/suicide-gif-14427950

[signal bramble]

I wish I was joking.

[storm jungle]

I'll get the shaskais summary

[green loom]

So the thing that saved the one sphere

Wasn't a manifestation made by the auxiliaries?

And was a thing that existed the entire time?

[storm jungle]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ShaskaisWarhamBits/comments/z6iz9b/interesting_bits_from_the_afterword_of_shadowsun/

Heres a summary of it.

[crisp heath]

Didn't the tau execute a ton of their allies for making a God on accident?

[green loom]

Oh god this is so fucking bad

I'm not even at the warp god stuff and the marriage stuff is

[signal bramble]

I told you it was shit.

[signal bramble]

They did.

[crisp heath]

Eh I don't think the marriage stuff is too bad but I don't know much about tau characters so maybe it's more egregious than I think

[green loom]

Why does the Tau main cast have a love triangle

Why is the premier commander suffering from a broken heart

[crisp heath]

I mean from this synopsis it doesn't really sound like a love triangle, they just sound polygamous which is actually a detail I think could be pretty fun

[signal bramble]

Phil is the Tau author at BL, he’s the Tau guy. He took some really strange liberties with the story and characters.

[green loom]

Throw him out the airlock

[crisp heath]

All I really know about Tau is the overview of their history and some Farsight lore, I think at least on the surface they're pretty cool and while this doesn't sound like it'd be my favorite 40k story it doesn't sound horrible

The God stuff doesn't even sound that bad, I don't really see an issue with "oh yeah the auxiliaries are psychically active so they're making a God, most of the Tau hate it though"

[signal bramble]

And that’s fine.

Folks will always have disagreements about quality.

[green loom]

Imo it may not be that bad but

You could do so much more

It's a young, rapidly advancing race ignorant to the wider perils of the galancy

*galaxy

But all we get is like, Farsight going on a funky adventure being amazing

[signal bramble]

He loves to give the Tau an existential crisis.

[crisp heath]

As long as they don't give the tau a powerful psyker

[green loom]

Akshually, they're called Ethereals

[signal bramble]

I honestly expect the rift may cause Tau psykers over time.

[green loom]

I expect Farsight to be the first Tau psyker

Isn't he already latent?

[crisp heath]

I thought ethereals weren't proper psykers, just psyker-like

Something something magic rock

[torpid narwhal]

what are night lords

[crisp heath]

A bunch of sociopathic traitors who live for nothing more than the thrill of torture and killing, and also the most humane space marines who conquer worlds with minimal casualties

Best traitor legion

I just read the Carcharodons novels and the first one was a really good Night Lords novel

[signal bramble]

They were legion created by big E to use terror and intimidation to make planets surrender. For example, they'd attack a planet, conquer it, and then broadcast horrific awful gruesome torture of the inhabitants to every other planet in the system and say "if you don't surrender, you're next."

Now as a Chaos Legion they still do all that torture and broadcast it while just saying "you're next."

[signal bramble]

Exactly what measure of control they use is unclear.

[crisp heath]

They're also one of the best legions for stealth

[signal bramble]

Yup. Though Corax and his raven guard made it clear they were better. XD

[crisp heath]

The best way to describe the role of Night Lords is they aren't warriors, they're predators. They don't fight battles, they create an overwhelming advantage and then hunt down the enemy one by one, never giving them a chance to fight back. They sabotage, sneak, and deceive.

[signal bramble]

I also argue the night lords have changed the least from the heresy era. They're still doing what they do best, they just have more targets now.

I used to think it was the world eaters but the Angron novel showed a different side to them.

[crisp heath]

Talos actually did a lot to preserve their culture and pretty much anyone who diverged too much from the Night Lords in the heresy had to break off into their own warband

Helps that they were never corrupted as a whole, they're just Like That

[torpid narwhal]

That's such a cool concept

[signal bramble]

They were the terror legion and their primarch was an amazing character.

One of the most interesting and complex.

[open pumice]

they weren't really created by Big E for this purpose

they fell into it after curze took over

[arctic talon]

Carcharadons are funny since they’re just Terran raven guard exiles

Which means they’re slavers and terror shock troops

[open pumice]

and it got worse after the recruits moved away form law abiding citizens and more into litteral sociopaths

[crisp heath]

Curze is one of the best primarchs uncritically and most of his stuff is written really well, although sometimes he really sucks since he's a big part of Horus Heresy

[arctic talon]

Curze is written incredibly well

[torpid narwhal]

I'm reading the 3rd dawn of fire

[open pumice]

kurze is an amazing example of BL writing well

unfortunately his nemesis

[crisp heath]

Konrad Curze: Night Haunter and then the Night Lord novels are probably the best continuous series of Space Marine content

[open pumice]

was god awful

[crisp heath]

And like I said, the Carcharodons novels also do Night Lords a ton of justice

[signal bramble]

They were always brutal and merciless. It just got bent another way.

[open pumice]

so was every legion

[torpid narwhal]

New favorite legion

[crisp heath]

Night Lords became what Blood Angels were intended to be lmao

[signal bramble]

You should look in to their primarch as well. Kurze is awesome.

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty hilarious

That the night lords were supposed to be shock troops originally

While the blood angels were terror troops + attrition warfare experts

Or rather the Revenant Legion

[crisp heath]

"Now Curze, you've been very naughty and your brothers are very upset. You shouldn't commit reckless acts of violence."
"You literally told me my only job was to commit reckless acts of violence"

[arctic talon]

Lol

[vale shuttle]

the Imperium worships reckless acts of violence

fucking big E being a big inconsistent dork

[signal bramble]

@torpid narwhal Let me tell you my favorite night lords bit of lore.

They’re torturing a group of guardsmen and eventually one of them breaks and gives them the information they want. When one finally does, they kill the others, and torture the one that talked even worse.

Since they’re all descended from criminal gene stock, they hate snitches more than anything.

[torpid narwhal]

[arctic talon]

Snitches get stitches

[crisp heath]

I want a novel focused on Decimus but I'm not sure they'll do him the justice he deserves

[signal bramble]

And when you research kurze make sure you look in to his artwork.

He was well known for his lifelike sculptures.

[arctic talon]

Very realistic in fact

[green loom]

I like da scene where Talos is creeped out by the Raven guard vets and Corvus not being there

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/sueñitosgifs-traumatized-mr-incredible-los-increibles-meme-gif-24305569

[arctic talon]

Tbh some of the Terran raven guard are genuinely batshit insane

[green loom]

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/crwvus/book_excerpt_konrad_curze_the_night_haunter_corax/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[arctic talon]

There’s a reason why corax exiled most of them

Beyond the fact that he hated slavers

(Ironic I know)

[torpid narwhal]

Sounds like a common theme

[arctic talon]

Regarding Terran marines?

[vale shuttle]

HMMMMMM 🤔

[arctic talon]

Ultramarines, death guard, imperial fists, sons of Horus and word bearers had pretty sane Terran marines

[crisp heath]

@torpid narwhal also look into Curze and Vulkan's relationship, funniest shit in the setting

[arctic talon]

Also white scars

And alpha legion

[vale shuttle]

corax and Mortarion meeting up to chat about how they're supporting the thing they hate

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

I know we have some folks here who really hate Thorpe but the stuff about Curze in "The Table is Set" is honestly some of my favorite emperor lore

[green loom]

"it's also a hammer"

[crisp heath]

"Fight me!"
"Okay! :)"

[green loom]

Also here's the bit I mean for anyone too lazy to open reddit

[crisp heath]

The idea that Emperor wasn't worried about Curze because he knew he could bring him back into the fold with a simple conversation is so good, because even if it's never stated anyone familiar with Curze knows how to get him back with the loyalists with just 2 sentences.

But Sangy was like "nah just toss him into space"

[open pumice]

what two sentances "hey buddy we have edgy knives. Also they don't believe in law and order"

[vale shuttle]

"we'll let you murder and flay anyone you like."

[open pumice]

thats not two sentances

you need to add like

"oh also we have karambits and cookies"

all edgelords love karambits and cookies

[crisp heath]

"You were right. Please help me."

[open pumice]

Lame, not even a mention of karambits or cookies

[crisp heath]

"You were right. Please help me, using this karambit."

[open pumice]

there we go lmao

[vale shuttle]

"You were right. Please help me, by torturing anyone you want."

[open pumice]

idk

i think its a 50/50 between whether curze would have just seen that as some ultimate weekness

or that his inate schizophrenia would have him beleiving the emperor was tryna dupe him

which

[vale shuttle]

kurze wanted vindication,, so i am totally with strawb in that if the emperor said "You were right. Please help me." he'd totaslly love it

[crisp heath]

We're talking about the guy who literally bent down to have his head chopped off because he wanted to prove a point

[open pumice]

if Big E says he done fucked up

theres a 90% chance he's tryna dupe ya

[vale shuttle]

100%

[open pumice]

truth

[vale shuttle]

but idk if mr kurze would see through big e

also big e has his brain powers and could combine that with sayingw hat kurze wants to get kurze to do the thing he wants kurze to do

[open pumice]

It depends on whos in control

[vale shuttle]

like a one-two punch

[open pumice]

the naught haunter wouldn't

but curze might

once again it's a 50/50 chance

which is

still better than the 0 percent he got

but

still

[vale shuttle]

on one hand big e is a massive egomaniac who is practically incapable of even considering he's wrong

on the other hand he's a manipulative bastard who should've been able to deceive kurze

so yeah i guess 50//50 lmao

[open pumice]

I think big may have been able to convince him to stay on his side

i.e.

not betray in the first place

but I don't think he'd be able to convice curze to flip sides

curze thought the universe was preset

and that he couldn't change the future

despite

actively changing the future multiple times

[green loom]

Doesn't Curze go full batshit by the heresy
Ykno, the whole Night Haunter persona

[open pumice]

no

but curze would beleive he was on a set path

naught haunter or no

i.e.

he wouldn't go back on such a defining decision

[crisp heath]

Curze was already using the Night Haunter persona on Nostramo, but I don't think it's really a separate personality like some people do

I think it's something he does intentionally as an excuse for his behavior because he hates hypocrites and wants to be able to pretend he isn't one

Anyway, at the end of the day we only know one thing for sure

Estrogen could have saved her

[green loom]

Yummy

[open pumice]

I think it's a bit of both

tbh

I think the naught haunter was a manifestation of his schizo

i don't necisarily think he was full on split personality

but that he would just have manic episodes as the night haunter

and then lie to himself

and pretend everything was fine

[vale shuttle]

||i knew trans people liked flaying people alive.||

||explains why my basement is full of flayed corpses||

[green loom]

Uh oh

[crisp heath]

Trans people don't have basements

[crimson kayak]

Night haunter is literally just violent batman

[open pumice]

red hood

[open pumice]

Your honor
In my defence
10 foot tal oily muscly men who exclusively hang out in dude-only lavish palaces and holy battle barges

[dense mortar]

Mauahah. Just bought my first army. Luckily I have a garage full of mini painting materials from years of model kit and dioramas

[spring marlin]

Hits space blunt.
Every Primarch has a 'dark side' which is just the pure warp stuff that big Emps used to craft them: Corax's bird form, Magnus' manifestations, feral Russ, etc. The Nighthaunter was just a lot more obvious.

[celest dome]

All of them are part Warp stuff, but their bad parts are as well of Chaos/Warp and Emperor origin.

[sullen cape]

The only teason why these datk side came out was due to tezench. But corax suffered a trauma same as blood angel primarch. Choas side appears when they suffer significant trauma. This is why rowboat hasnt disappread propply (and being head of GW golden boys). But lion went to sleep after destroying his homeworld and duel with lucifier. And corax went to hunt logar after killing his creation & aphla legion sabotage of the gene seed. Khan with the brutal raid on his own people the desire for vengence.

[dense mortar]

Russ doesnt really have a dark side per say. If anything, his lust for battle could be considered "dark". But not by grim dark standards. Yeah he made a small miscalculation at Prospero, but I really feel like thats in the past.

[pastel whale]

If Genestealers can just casually cut through power armor, why do Marines even bring it to the fight? They are gonna get one shot anyways.

A nice skintight suit would look more stylish

[vale shuttle]

i assume you mean tyranids? there's a few reasons

[celest dome]

Just because cannons can pierce plate armour why do we make put plate armour on tanks ?

[vale shuttle]

1. poewr armour makes you stronger. more strength = more killy power.
2. not all tyranids can cut through power armour like it's nothiong
3. tyranids have ranged weapons, so it's good to defend against those
4. astartes battle doctrine is extremely rigid. they'll take power armour to everything
5. bonus round: terminator armour is taken into space hulks because even though the tyranids inside can cut through it, it protects them fromm the ddeadly radiation

[celest dome]

Like Tyr can do a lot of damage, but the armour still does give a lot of armour than if you didn't

[pastel whale]

This sounds like Loyalist propaganda