40k-lore-chat

[terse flume]

like the machine that has been running forever is gradually and finally breaking

[urban spire]

the belief is reality thing is very overstated

it's primarily a thing for orks, and mainly it just makes their technology work

[gleaming token]

Wasn’t that Farsight?

[gloomy citrus]

The renegade, yes.

[terse flume]

i thought it was also part of the idea of the machine spirit

[gleaming token]

The only truly good Tau

[urban spire]

nah machine spirits are something else

[terse flume]

like, i asked this somewhere else the other day there isn't literally a ghost right

[gloomy citrus]

Overtime, the daemon will fuck him up.

[terse flume]

like a bolter doesn't have an actual, functional spirit in lore

[urban spire]

machine spirits are part of the animist beliefs of the mechanicus, but also sometimes it's code for "AI that we like"

[copper patrol]

isn't it a belief is reality, but only in the warp

or am I wrong on that

[urban spire]

as far as i know, the cult mechanicus belief does not interact much with the warp at all

[copper patrol]

and often times it's so small it gets eated or disappears

I mean in general

not machine spirits

[urban spire]

well the emperor is empowered by all the faith in him, probably

but he's already an incredibly powerful psychic being

and most of humanity believes in him, making him more of an exception than the rule

[terse flume]

right he's the stupid reincarnation of all shamans or someone who has been immortal and guiding human history, or bother of those ideas are stupid and it's just unknown

you can like, talk to him still right

or someone can

[urban spire]

barely

[terse flume]

his mind is still intact and coherent somewhere

[urban spire]

oh no not at all

he's fucked

[copper patrol]

[terse flume]

i thought it was wandering around his beacon thing

[copper patrol]

isn't his soul/mind split or is that a TTS thing

[urban spire]

idk the specifics but his conversation with guilliman was described as like a number of different voices trying to say different things

[celest dome]

Difficult to say
The Star Child did exist but it's unclear on what it is

[copper patrol]

idk why

but "the star child" somehow manages to sounds really cool and really stupid

at the same time

[urban spire]

well it's from space odyssey isn't it

[celest dome]

Star Child for me is from a Belgian Comic, but Superman has been called Star Child and many other such

But the Warhammer concept has it very differently

[terse flume]

it was a very very weird late 90s trend

maybe even earlier than the 90s thinking about it

where kind of uh, crystal sort of hippyish parents decided that their children were demonstrating incredible competencies and sometimes psychic powers as they were somehow gifted abilities from beyond the stars

still exists

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_people_(New_Age)

see also https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigo_children

i think this was all the stuff they were drawing on when they were writing the lore for the emperor

[green loom]

So that's what shock mauls do

[copper patrol]

made that mf go into x ray

[versed ledge]

Non-lethal they say, riot suppression it says

Riiight

[urban spire]

skull cracking noise

SU- SURP- SUppr- KRUMPED THE RIOTER, SAH!

[copper patrol]

tbf I think it's like an arbites weapon or something right

I am pretty sure their version of riot suppression lines up with the guard's definition of suppressing fire

[urban spire]

yeah arbites are not trained to deescalate

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-smoking-terminator-mortal-kombat-gif-26030610

[gloomy citrus]

The Unfleshed.

Who was better at law enforcement? The Arbites or the Night Lords?

[celest dome]

Arbites

[odd palm]

I'd say the Arbites in the long term, due to their numbers and prescience
But Night Lords in the short due to their reputation for......unrivalled reprisal actions for rebellious planets or parts of it

[versed ledge]

You know what would be cool, a mystery open world rpg in 40k that's first person about uncovering a Slaanesh or Tzeentch cult in the upper hives

Or some agri world with a Georgian era setting in terms of environment..

[signal bramble]

I finally read through the 9th edition guard codex and one of the excerpts made me laugh as I considered the implications. To get more bodies for the indomitus crusade, per the codex they are, and I quote, "emptying entire hive cities" for recruits for the guard.

Which if you think about that, a hive city has billions upon billions of people in it. Rounding up everyone sounds like a nightmare.

"Ok men. We are to go in to the hive city for new recruits for the indomitus crusade, it is the order of the holy primarch himself." One of the soldiers asks, "how many people are we grabbing sir?" His commander then looks it him with utter seriousness and says "everybody."

[storm jungle]

You'd spend like a fucking year getting everyone

[signal bramble]

The sheer logistics of immediately having to transport several billion people is mind boggling.

[storm jungle]

Yeah its basically not even possible

its why i like how they just put it into like 2 sentences

[green loom]

"Don't think about it too hard"

I need to buff out my homebrew regi

And make a british para one

[versed ledge]

Gotta ask, why is the food in the 40k verse so horrible?

[signal bramble]

Well it's not horrible everywhere.

Depends on the planet and your socioeconomic status.

[versed ledge]

On a ship

Like there's mention of hardtack.....hardtack in the far future

Sure there's protein slab, but nothing more about what's in the slab or hash

[signal bramble]

Well yeah, they need food that can be mass produced and keep the crew alive.

[open pumice]

Hardtack and nondescript nutrient bars actually make reaonable sense

thats

effectively what our astronaut's eat

freeze dried nutrient rich food that stores indefinitely, never molds, and isn't unpalletable

imagine trying to feed ships featuring 25000 people on the low end

[green loom]

On board farming communities

[open pumice]

or navy crewships that have 10+ regiments on them

[arctic talon]

Slab is heavily processed Grox meat

[odd palm]

Sadly not everyone can be the Iron Warriors in terms of people moving

Hate to see it

[orchid thicket]

Mmm, lemon flavor

[crimson kayak]

I mean, wasn't that before the retcon of the indomitus crusade length?

Like, before it was just 15 years auto-resolving battles tw style

[green loom]

We don't even know how long it was

[crimson kayak]

We know that when the greyshields split into chapters it was 12 years into the crusade, and that was basically right before the plague waes

When dark imperium came out it was said it lasted around 100 or so years and ended with the plague wars, new Canon it's not finished yet as the arks of omen campaign still features crusade fleets

[green loom]

Yeah they jumbled up the timeline because for some reason they have no one keeping track of this crap

[crimson kayak]

I liked the old timeline, made more sense than the warhammer equivalent of "somehow, Palpatine has returned", but I guess it's more so that they didn't want indomitus to be just a footnote for primaris introduction, so they are including plague wars, arks of omen ecc... Within it's Og 100 year time.

[green loom]

The Dead speak!

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the premise is the same, an empire fallen/failing, a presumed dead figure returning thanks to plot alongside a giant fleet of ships and extremely loyal soldier in the blink of an eye

[storm jungle]

Somehow, the Emperor has returned.

[plush mason]

?

[celest dome]

I'm still angry that the message that Palpatine sent to the galaxy was in Fortnite and not in a Star Wars something

Like even in a Trailer would have been good

[plush mason]

when did that happen?

[celest dome]

In Star Wars or in 40k ?

[plush mason]

ohhhh they mean the 9th movie

ok

[storm jungle]

LMAO

YEAH

sorry my bad

[plush mason]

ngl its sad that so much of the bad stuff in star wars literally is just "the sith did it"

[storm jungle]

if 40k's excuse for bad writing is the Warp, Star Wars' is "Sith Magic"

[green loom]

Or "Sith Alchemy"

Or "Da Farce"

[celest dome]

The bad narrative in the last trilogy are in part due to Disney not treating the SW Ip in the same genre as the previous ones
It's an action movie when the previous ones were Space Opera

[green loom]

Or it doesn't have an excuse and just pretends it does

SWTOR story is painful because it's just like 3000 sith lords all doing random unrelated rituals that might raise them to godhood or something stupid

[crimson kayak]

You forgot that 2999 of the 3000 sith are also actually reincarnations of the same sith emperor

And then the protagonist also becomes said sith emperor for a moment, kind of

[plush mason]

nah its more literal than that, Lord Bane set about influencing and corrupting the republic from within

starting the rule of 2 and the work that ended up making Palpatine the emperor

so while a lot of the corruption within the republic was not due to sith influence it was often made worse by them

[plush mason]

the one good thing Disney did was making legends and making Revan canon

[celest dome]

Wasn't Disney the ones that had made it non cannon in the 1st hand ?

[plush mason]

yes and then did a 180 and moved it out of legends lore

[crimson kayak]

Didn't Canon revan get like, a couple mentions at best?

[green loom]

He showed up in a dungeon

Then was the center of an expansion

Where he's kind of insane

[dense mortar]

So, do Space Marine have wives or anything?

[copper patrol]

normally?

no

[dense mortar]

and why are they all dudes? Do women not fight?

[copper patrol]

girls are icky

that is basically why

[green loom]

The lore reasoning is that stuffing into women what you stuff into guys has a nasty side effect of turning them into a nasty pile of flesh iirc

[copper patrol]

they is a lot of lore jusitification but ulimatley it came down to the female marine models they made for ever ago didn't sell well at all

[green loom]

And that ye

[copper patrol]

so they wrote lore to justify them all being dudes

[green loom]

If they feel like adding them they will

No real reason not to beyond it probably killing SoB sales

[copper patrol]

they probably won't just becuase it'd piss people off as well (it also devalues sisters of battle imo but that's a hot take)

[dense mortar]

This has survived 2023 scrutiny? Im actually impressed.

[green loom]

The entrenched community doesn't help

[dense mortar]

So if I decided to play table top, I can purchase Adepta Sororitas and use them as my army?

[copper patrol]

yeah

sisters are their own thing

[green loom]

You could run homebrew fem marines, the only ones who'd particularly care are probably best avoided anyhow

[celest dome]

They have their own codex

But you could in theory kitbash them into marines or simply run them as SM without major change

[green loom]

Only size that matters is base size

[celest dome]

Depend on the Model

But for SM that's not a problem

[copper patrol]

just stick a flag on the back if it's too short

[green loom]

Ong

[celest dome]

But like Belakor and other winged character the total size is supposed to be respected iirc

[dense mortar]

Do other table toppers get all bent out of sorts if I kit bash a mixed unit?

[green loom]

Going back to the og question, marines in general don't really have families

[dense mortar]

male and female

[copper patrol]

some might

[green loom]

Only ones that sort of keep contact are salamanders

[copper patrol]

but those will get pissy anyway

40k is like any nerdy community that has been around along time

a decent few shitters

but they are still a minority

[green loom]

Dante, big man of the Blood Angels, left his dad in the middle of the night to join the Blood Angels trials, his dad probably never learned his fate

[celest dome]

Depend, but those that will get bent about it aren't really good people to face

[copper patrol]

like if I actually played the TT the only thing i'd get annoyed by is if I could tell that they had kitbashed smaller models or smth to give them an advantage

and it was like

clear they did that

[dense mortar]

Yeah that makes sense

The one time I went to a local shop where they were playing this game, and some dude got steaming mad that a random dice roll crapped his strategy

[signal bramble]

Yeah that’s against the rules.

Anyone that does that at a tournament would be disqualified and since most players tend to follow the tournament rule set anyone who does that would find no one to game with them.

[storm jungle]

Most do

the 40k community in the majority is really sexist

40k itself hasnt had female miniature representation that wasnt the Sororitas until like the last 3-4 years

||same with skin color where everyone was just white for a long while ||

[green loom]

At least AoS has Professor Badass Bastian Carthalos

[solemn ridge]

Sexism seems quite heretical. Do you mean to say women don't share the grace and perfection of the human body?

🤔

[storm jungle]

YEET

[storm jungle]

AoS has definitely done it a lot better yeah

[green loom]

It's the typical "Le women don't exist Eggs Dee" stuff

[storm jungle]

also this lmao

people forget 40k comes from a place in the 80's where "macho" stuff was quite common

Boys get the cover art with big dudes firing big guns

its as much of a cultural affect as it is a business one

[green loom]

Why can't we have marine models this cool

[solemn ridge]

Is that from Age of Sigmar?

[green loom]

Yes

[solemn ridge]

Puke

[green loom]

His colour scheme is sadly balls

[chilly creek]

TBH how would you tell that a helmeted space marine was originally a woman before getting geneseed and massive amounts of drugs etc?

[solemn ridge]

Love me gritty realism

Simple as.

[celest dome]

If you have to be told that its from AoS to have such a reaction you're just a poser

[green loom]

If we're being real, you probably wouldn't

[storm jungle]

have you read any AoS novel at all

[chilly creek]

Indeed

[solemn ridge]

I've never seen that model before. Do you mean to tell me that by me somehow thinking it was AoS without knowing solely off of the model alone, I'm a poser?

[storm jungle]

Yes I am quite elitist

[solemn ridge]

I meant in Aesthetic.

I don't like shit dialed up to 11.

[storm jungle]

I mean

every warhammer mini does that tho

have you seen Cawl

[solemn ridge]

Depends on the units.

[storm jungle]

It really doesnt

[green loom]

Hopefully this summer we'll get updates to the best faction aka Cities of Sigmar

[storm jungle]

minis get made from some guys going

"this would look cool"

adds more shit ontop

[chilly creek]

makes all weapons much larger

[storm jungle]

Also as usual this would never happen. People want different male/female heads, the whole "they would look like men" thing has no probability of ever happening solely from a business perspective, its why Stormcasts are so varied while just being fantasy space marines.

[green loom]

Also if you want gritty

[storm jungle]

god i love that art

people kinda forget Order factions suck just as much

[solemn ridge]

My Warhammer beastman and ogre army is not very out there tbh. I genuinely have no idea what you're talking about.

[celest dome]

Look at the new SM Primaris and don't tell me it look more ridiculous than 80% of the AoS mini

[storm jungle]

TACTICAL

MORE POUCHES

[solemn ridge]

Also, I dislike Space Marines so I don't keep in touch with any of their stuff.

[chilly creek]

Slapping a female head on a marine body 🤷‍♂️

But it'd probably be decided by "this sells, this doesn't"

[green loom]

And the fem models for stormcast looked a LOT better than the old male ones from the first releases

[storm jungle]

Pretty much yeah

[green loom]

Newer ones can go either way

[solemn ridge]

I only ever play Guards and Ork armies.

[storm jungle]

Stormcast female heads work too yeah its what most people do

[solemn ridge]

Because I hate my wallet

[storm jungle]

they got good tough-but-appealing conan look going on

[green loom]

I'm going to kitbash a female Lord Commander once I get some more experience

[storm jungle]

🙏

[green loom]

I'll be using Lord-Arcanum/Praetor bits ideally

Luv me capes

But yeah AoS is massive depression

[storm jungle]

In money or lore way

[green loom]

Sigmarines don't really die but they're also horrifically wasteful

[storm jungle]

Oh that yeah

it looks "hopeful" from the covers but when you get into it its just fucking awful

unless you live in a very well defended sigmarite city you are more or less fucked

[solemn ridge]

What else is new?

[green loom]

Turns out when you take a bunch of raving lunatics with a martyr complex and make them into godly supersoldiers, they tend to do what they did in life and just get themselves killed

But at least the whole lightning strike stuff looks cool as hell

[storm jungle]

Luv me sigma

Luv me pyre burnings

Innnocent or not

ate em all

[green loom]

AoS is handled a lot better than 40k in general tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah its probably because uh

you know

it doesnt have 30 years of bloat

[green loom]

Ye

[storm jungle]

Probably its biggest saving grace

[green loom]

It doesn't live in a swamp with 5 feet of mud it has to slog through every step

[storm jungle]

KEK

Yeah it deffo needs more lore but im glad its not as sloggy as 40k yet

that and it makes boat loads of money so eh

[green loom]

My only hope is that the cities facelift looks good

Everything else has looked good to amazing

So I'm kinda optimistic

Unlike with 40k where I've basically given up hope of ever seeing Steel Legion/Elysians

[storm jungle]

People basically just want Empire of Man Troops but in Hİgh Fantasy and all the miniature bit reveals so far look good so we'll see

[green loom]

Oh right
AoS also doesn't het 99% of it's sales from one faction

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[green loom]

So all the releases aren't absurdly skewed to them

[storm jungle]

Stormcasts are the posterboys but rarely get any releases yeah

everyone just gets their equal attention cake

[green loom]

Issue with stormcast is they prototyped the Primaris design of every weapon set being it's own kit

[storm jungle]

Alas, we cant all be without fault 💀

[green loom]

The designs make up for it, and hey we got better Celestine too!

[storm jungle]

I do appreciate them moving away from the first releases of their minis where they looked a lot more like space marines tho ngl

Now they just look like Order Chaos Warriors

[green loom]

And some of them even are!

[celest dome]

As they should

[green loom]

I can't imagine they'd have stayed with the old design

[storm jungle]

Luv me redemption

[green loom]

It was so stocky and awkward

[storm jungle]

and yeah it really was just Space Marine But Fantasy

[green loom]

The female models stuck out with slightly better proportions

[celest dome]

The only faction in which i really have no units that I like are the Fyreslayers

[storm jungle]

yeah thats probably because making a faction out of a single fantasy dwarf unit is kinda fucking stupid

[green loom]

Now the new fancy Thunderstrike gear is just
Better

[celest dome]

I think there was a way to do it, but having all the units be Slayers and have them all be naked was way overboard

Should have had the faction be Rune and Slayer themed

Or at least more than now

With Ironbreakers and such

[green loom]

imo, it might be handled better if things had a mortal core with dedicated god units

[storm jungle]

Yeah this too

fyreslayers literally got no identity

[green loom]

Though you can basically do that with Cities soup

Luv me cities

[storm jungle]

Luv me old fantasy units

Gets removed from shop

[green loom]

can only hope they get worthy replacements

[celest dome]

Wasn't there rumour that the next Order faction that will be revealed will be a Dwarf one ?

[green loom]

I'm terrified they'll all look like that Knight of Azyr lady

[green loom]

They've been teasing me with cities for 2 years, they better give me something already 😦

[storm jungle]

I think its gonna be Malekith's army

he is very clearly being prepped for it at some point

[celest dome]

Ah right

[green loom]

The Umbraneth yeah?

At least that's the fan name I've heard

[celest dome]

I wonder what Destruction could get in the future

[green loom]

Hopefully some Ogre stuff, poor faction

I figure they're walking through all the old factions considering Cities are being worked on and Seraphon just got new stuff

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but that's swtor, not Disney canon

[crimson kayak]

Only salamanders have families as far as I'm aware

[dense mortar]

by choice or decreE?

[crimson kayak]

Mostly marines simply don't care about this kind of relationship, you know, with their life being literally only war and such

There's like, nothing that says they can't

Most just don't because it doesn't benefit them on a practical level

[signal bramble]

It’s cultural.

[crimson kayak]

Is it? Never saw anything talking about it except the fact salamanders do have lives on Nocturne outside being marines

[signal bramble]

Yep. Part of their culture is the marines staying close to their families on nocturne.

[crimson kayak]

Oooh, I got confused there

[signal bramble]

Yeah. I suppose you could debate whether a cultural belief is by decree or choice but I don’t consider to be either.

[crimson kayak]

Nono, I got confused because I thought you were saying it was cultural for marines to not have families and not the fact salamanders have their own culture

[signal bramble]

Ah.

Yeah. The sallies are the exceptions to a lot of stuff.

The space marines focus a lot on their bonds of brotherhood in the chapters. Once they’re changed they don’t really have anything in common with baseline humanity any more anyway.

[crimson kayak]

The wh community is more impenetrable than terra for this kind of things lol

[dense mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-boogie2988-francis-youtuber-gamer-gif-17811629

[signal bramble]

Also be careful about pushing the fem marine button, it usually doesn’t end well.

Also the majority of the player base has spoken at this point, they don’t want fem marines.

Me personally I don’t care one way or the other.

[crimson kayak]

I mean, sororitas are basically fancy marines lookwise

[dense mortar]

Wouldnt it be beneficial to WH to have characters females can play? So as to attract female players?

[copper patrol]

sisters

also guard has female models

eldar etc

[dense mortar]

These are kinda afterthoughts your mentioning

[signal bramble]

They don’t want to risk pissing off their current whales on something which may not net them anything.

[dense mortar]

Im talking about a full on, hard bodied, mean, angry group of female space marines

[crimson kayak]

Literally only space marines, orks, necron and tyranids don't have female models

[crimson kayak]

Literally just sororitas lol

[signal bramble]

A space marine in full power would look the same whether male or female tbh.

[copper patrol]

see my hot take earlier, female marines would devalue the sisters coolness

that is my opinion as to why they shouldn't be added, unless they also make like brothers of battle

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, with helmets they would basically be identical as khalith said

[dense mortar]

Thats pigeonholing possible female armies just so "this token group of females that we have, can remain cool"

imo

[crimson kayak]

Expanding on the crusaders would be cool as fuck

[copper patrol]

sisters are unagumented and do badass fucking stuff

marines are augemented superhumans

[signal bramble]

Also Fabius Bile is working on female super soldiers as well.

[crimson kayak]

That's because sororitas are born out of the fact there was no fem space marines

[signal bramble]

He outright states big E made a mistake by essentially ignoring half the population.

[dense mortar]

Not saying they dont. Im saying a group of Space Marine females from a planet where they devour male babies, and force men to procreate to make female warriors

would be badass

[crimson kayak]

So just any feral planet recluiting except female

[dense mortar]

Preceisely

[signal bramble]

There’s probably a guard planet that does that already somewhere.

[green loom]

Too bad the Fraternis Templar are banned

[signal bramble]

Technically but they’re still around as irregular militia forces.

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile armies of zealots being raised left and right because no one knows how that rule actually works

[green loom]

Also Zero, though I don't disagree fem marines should be a thing
I think reducing other factions with cool lore down to just "afterthoughts" is kinda uncool

You want them, cool
Bemeaning us and other factions so a faceless Brother Macharius can fight alongside a faceless Sister Macharia won't really do anything and is frankly, tiring

[dense mortar]

Point being, name me 5 named female characters? No faceless nameless ones.

[crimson kayak]

Only humans or xenos too?

[dense mortar]

Sorry, this is lore chat. Someones gonna know 5

[crimson kayak]

Because I can get you more than 5 lol

[green loom]

Celestine, Greyfax, Shadowsun, Inquisitor Amberly Veil, Yvraine, Macha, Erda, Euphrati Keeler

[crimson kayak]

And some are also important parts of the lore

[green loom]

The community is entrenched, Geedubz themselves have added some female characters

[copper patrol]

knowing gw

they'd handle female marines so poorly

[green loom]

Yeah and it's a volatile topic thanks to the community being ever so reasonable so I doubt they'll ever touch it

[dense mortar]

Look, all im saying is we sprinkle in a few female marine chapters here and there, possible pull in some additional people to the game. Women who chew tobacco and smack guys on the ass when they walk by

straight killers

[crimson kayak]

Literally sororitas once again

[copper patrol]

I can say with like

99.9% certainty

that it wouldn't pull that many people

[dense mortar]

yeah but any would be cool right

doesnt have to be droves

[green loom]

Why make them exclusively women though, isn't the whole point to make marines not exclusive

[crimson kayak]

If you want money it does have

Oh if it does have to be droves of people

[dense mortar]

Ederius, yes your right actually

[green loom]

Add in new novice characters coming with the primaris

A junior LT in the Ultras

A new assault intercessor in the BA

Etc

[dense mortar]

Yeah I think that would work better than going the completely opposite pendulum direction. Make mixed units.

[signal bramble]

Make an all male ecclesiarchy army. The Misters of Battle.

[green loom]

That was the Fraternis Templar, who if you recall were forcefully disbanded and are the reason Sororitas exist

[signal bramble]

They're still around.

[copper patrol]

my opinion on it as well, is that if you are gonna make the marines "inclusive" make all factions inclusive

[green loom]

Not under the official banner of the ecclesiarchy though

[copper patrol]

full on cruasder army that isn't space marines etc

[signal bramble]

They're specifically mentioned by name in the new Iron Kingdom book on a shrine world.

Which is about as ecclesiarchy as you can get.

[storm jungle]

Speaking as a female player

sororitas are not the same thing

and I dont want to play them lmao

[signal bramble]

I get what you're saying, but to GW the community has spoken and said no. Simple as.

[storm jungle]

GW hasnt really said no

they just avoid the topic

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but what I mean is that his whole point of attracting female players and making female power armoured soldiers was already done with sororitas

[copper patrol]

Ican also picture gws handling of it

would be terrible

[storm jungle]

Basically it will happen when the boardmembers say it will

and not a moment before

Lore genuinely does not matter with these things

[green loom]

Yeah they rather not anger the angry crowd that's volatile but easy to please with certain things

[copper patrol]

pretty much

[storm jungle]

Like

ADB wanted female custodes in a book

but the guys said no because theres no minis of them

[signal bramble]

The HH lorebook that said only males can be space marines was about as close to a definitive statement for it as you can get.

[copper patrol]

my only thing is what I said about it sorta devaluing sisters coolness to me, other then that

idc

[storm jungle]

And as usual does not matter

40k lore is fickle

and is edited on a whim

pass me this nonsense of "we cant split chromosomes"

[signal bramble]

Something like that would require a bit more than a little editing. It isn't like adding a new tank or something. XD

[copper patrol]

I mea

[storm jungle]

I mean it really doesnt

primaris came out of nowhere

[copper patrol]

just make cawl do it

[storm jungle]

as the "bigger better marines"

[copper patrol]

[storm jungle]

literally

Yall need to accept GW doesnt care about a narrative

just what sells

[green loom]

Primaris are just worse raptors

[signal bramble]

Yeah and they had to create an entire character with a novel explaining why Cawl did the primaris and how he came about.

[green loom]

Or better?

Idk

[storm jungle]

As an afterthought

so yeah, same thing

[signal bramble]

I'm pretty sure was in the works as well. :X Since he came out around the time the primaris did.

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much just a matter of "when" at the end of the day. GW has been very progressive with its ranges lately and are aware of the demand the playerbase has for it.

The only people that will be upset are like the 30%

And lets be honest

they will bitch then go back to buying it

just like they do with every 40k release

[green loom]

Basically lol

[storm jungle]

its a simple cycle

lol

[copper patrol]

the only people that would be actually upset is lower then that

some people would be gumbly

but not really that pissy

[storm jungle]

Yeah this.

GW just doesn't want to risk its main cashcow fanbase.

[dense mortar]

"NOT IN MAH WARHAMMER!"

[green loom]

It'll upset a few redditors/4chinners won't don't play or should be upset

[storm jungle]

But basically Zero its a concept thats entirely possible

just keep it to yourself unless you get witchhunted

god knows ive been

[signal bramble]

They could have avoided the entire primaris issue with the simple change of having Cawl make a new range of armor/weapons/vehicles. =/

[crimson kayak]

Lol

[signal bramble]

That would have solved a lot.

Vs did better than the emperor with less time, less resources, and then secreted away hundreds of thousands over the course of 10k years.

[copper patrol]

consider that cawl is just a chad

[storm jungle]

Cawl got that tech tree maxed out

[signal bramble]

Plot armor*

[green loom]

It doesn't help that some of the people that do want it can be vile assholes, or are very horny and weird
At least that I've met

Obv not the majority

[storm jungle]

I got an entire bingo card for that believe me

[signal bramble]

Cawl is more a plot device than a character at this point. He's become like the force in star wars, all purpose plot armor to hand wave away stuff.

[storm jungle]

thats been the case for 30 years its fine

[green loom]

At least Cawl is funny in the Great Work

[storm jungle]

Hes basically a dementia ridden cool grandpa

who makes awful jokes

[copper patrol]

[signal bramble]

Also GW is a major corporation, that means they only act progressive if they think it will make them money. If they think they'll make more money by not being progressive they'll do it.

[crimson kayak]

Just waiting for that vashtoor cawl battlerobots match

[copper patrol]

i'd watch that cage match

[signal bramble]

Warhammer is for everyone.

Unless you're poor, then they don't want you. :p

[copper patrol]

that's for true

"3d printers are hurting us so we are gonna raise prices" wasn't that something gw basically said

[green loom]

From what I can tell their actual like PR and Marketing folks are pretty fun

But execs bite down pretty hard

[storm jungle]

Yeah no execs/boardmember in a company is a good person believe me

[copper patrol]

I mean thier design teams, lore people, and etc are normally pretty fine

but it's the people who actually "matter"

that are shitters

[storm jungle]

Minus the guys who designed the Primaris ATV

[signal bramble]

The reality is that being progressive doesn't always equate to higher profits and if they start losing money they'll ditch any progressive posturing in an instant.

[storm jungle]

take them to the back of the building for uh reasons 👀

[copper patrol]

[dense mortar]

I THINK, that they dont need to make female space marines this "body-esque" fan candy either. Im thinking 80s Stallone in floral pattern shirts type of female marines. I think players can get behind that.

[green loom]

The funniest thing I've learned of is James Workshop's actor

[storm jungle]

Honestly no

if they make female marines it should jus tbe head replacements

[copper patrol]

100%

[signal bramble]

This.

[copper patrol]

otherwise

[storm jungle]

as long as they look like Barbarian Women its fine

its why stormcast females look so hot

I MEAN

yeah

[copper patrol]

I mean

understandable

[green loom]

I mean honestly have you seen female bodybuilders?

[signal bramble]

A fully armored space marine in their MKX armor and helmet on are going to look identical outside of chapter specific colors/markings.

[copper patrol]

that is kinda what I mean but gw's handling of it might be bad

ther is like a

[dense mortar]

True, but there is room for literature and lore out side of minis

[copper patrol]

25% chance they just make marines with titties

[storm jungle]

My guy they cant even do female sororitas heads

i got no hope

[green loom]

The Marine treatment probably won't give them a perfect victoria's secret body

[storm jungle]

Yeah just this is fine

facewise i mean

[signal bramble]

If you consider all the surgeries and combat scars they have to go through? Definitely not.

[copper patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1073304642043269181/1024023614074396772.gif

people shit on stormcast

but minus the helmets(to me)

they look cool as fuck

[green loom]

In the words of Heywoah

[copper patrol]

I just don't like the death mask helmets

[green loom]

"Use anything but the default paint scheme and suddenly they look cool"

[copper patrol]

one is cool

but when they all have that

it just looks dumb

[copper patrol]

oh yeah

mine are like

silver and red

with gold highlights

[green loom]

I really like red

[copper patrol]

oh god the defualt colors they choose for some of the aos factions

is just like

who did this

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Its terrible

[green loom]

Cheap and easy is the way they go I think

[copper patrol]

fucking yellow heavy armored orks

[storm jungle]

PISS

[green loom]

Oh you mean THE worst colour to paint besides white on dark?

[copper patrol]

the lumineth with baby blue pajamas

[green loom]

Tbf that's just typical high elf colours no?

[copper patrol]

idk I still think it looks dumb on the models

the cloth is all that baby blue and it just looks like pajamas

[green loom]

I'd still prefer red

Rn I'm debating making the Cadians I eventually get an Inquisition kill team or my homebrew

[storm jungle]

High elf colors is uhh

dominantly white, the blue is less there

[green loom]

Ah

[copper patrol]

it's also not baby blue iirc

[storm jungle]

1 sec

yeah this

the blue is used sparingly on the normal troops

[copper patrol]

it's like ocean blue right

[storm jungle]

the grey chainmail helps balance it

the lumineth are a lot more flat color wise

[copper patrol]

like this guy looks like he just threw armor over his pajamas

[green loom]

I think I'd attribute that to their designs having a lot more empty plates

Oh you meant THAT baby blue

Yeah no

Also looks painful to paint

[copper patrol]

I thought about getting some lumineth but Iwas like

I am gonna have to mess with the models too much to get them how i'd want them

like I know high elves are supposed to have silly hats

but their hats are a bit too silly

[storm jungle]

Yeah they went a bit too greco-greek

[copper patrol]

the normal spearmen i'd just have to rotate the plume

but the bladelords and hammer guys i'd need to entirely change

[open pumice]

Ulthuan my beloved

[orchid thicket]

That's an interesting concept actually. Unlike Marines, I'm not sure if Custodes explicitly have to be male.

[storm jungle]

Nah not yet

[orchid thicket]

Especially since they're supposed to be more than just bodyguards (although they don't act in any other way)

[storm jungle]

Custodes' entire creation process is "gene-alchemy"

[copper patrol]

I think big e said "girls are icky" when he made them or something

[storm jungle]

also to be honest they do

[copper patrol]

[storm jungle]

Custodes have a ton of personality

they may be bodyguards but all of them have hobbies and interests

its more that "Guard Big E" is 1. on the list

[green loom]

Philosophers and the like

They're "companions"

[storm jungle]

They literally sew carpets and do yoga

and thats just the given examples

[green loom]

And they're all hand crafted, so unlikely that it's only dudes

[copper patrol]

see this

emps thinks girls are icky

[green loom]

Might be that he didn't, but the nobles that donate the kids did

[copper patrol]

too many cooties

[orchid thicket]

Honestly given that they've been stuck in the Imperial Palace jerking themselves off for the past 10,000 years and occasionally releasing Iron Warriors and genestealers in the vents for shits and giggles, I don't find them any more enlightened or civilized or more interesting than the average space marine chapter

[copper patrol]

I am memeing

[orchid thicket]

They may make art and write about their feelings but nobody but them sees it

[storm jungle]

I mean

i make those too

and nobody sees them

about the same deal

[orchid thicket]

Cultural dead ends who are, as Malcador puts it, just "exquisite ogres"

[copper patrol]

[storm jungle]

Nah

Malcador is just a boomer

its still better than just being faceless automatons

[green loom]

Am I a very weak ogre just cause I don't share stuff much 😦

[storm jungle]

same club

[orchid thicket]

Malcador was a genius

Proof: he suggested that the Emperor make the primarchs female instead

The Emperor thought he was joking

[green loom]

I mean if you read about it

His reasoning is that they might not fight as much

Which is pointless

Because Siblings always fight

[orchid thicket]

After seeing fanart of female Primarchs I'm convinced they could have worked lol

[copper patrol]

[green loom]

There's a relevant meme for this hold on

[storm jungle]

Thats a bad idea

Im a single girl in a family of 3 brothers

they will still always fight

Girl siblings are a lot more violent

[orchid thicket]

Sanguinia is so pretty

[storm jungle]

I hate it

[crisp heath]

This just further convinces me that estrogen could have saved kurze

[open pumice]

B r u h

[orchid thicket]

My Lady Primarch...

[copper patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/735819155608961044/1083402565590458368/Bonk.gif

they aren't real

[orchid thicket]

A blue bird told me they could be

[open pumice]

How about some actually good primarch art

[green loom]

Yeah hold on I'll find some of them dead

[copper patrol]

I mean mechanically the art is good, but it's also horny bait

[green loom]

I don't like Primurchs

[open pumice]

Angron, the artist is unimportant

||Archon of Flesh||

[green loom]

Not looking at that one

[copper patrol]

[orchid thicket]

I was looking for a certain fanart of Horus but found this instead

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/058/202/044/large/orniris-terensi-orniris-terensi-art-fan-character-illustration-warhammer-the-horus-heresy-space-marines-imperial-fists-narrun-hanta.jpg?1673793544

God I love heavy-looking marines

Heavy metallic looking marines

[green loom]

Orniris is pretty based

[orchid thicket]

https://twitter.com/cnmbwjx/status/1595961181197733888/photo/2

流星R（Commissions CLOSED） (@cnmbwjx)

Sukeban 40K #Warhammer #warhammer40k

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Oh man

I love this artist

[celest dome]

By working together we can help Mankind prosper in way that the Emperor never could have

[crimson kayak]

greater good propaganda be like

[dense mortar]

I believe the Emperors precognition abilities allowed him to see all futures, and the current one he guides us down is the only one where humanity eventually succeds over chaos and lives freely. Basically a Dr. Strange moment here.

[celest dome]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-wait-youre-serious-laugh-harder-bender-gif-9628866

[dense mortar]

https://tenor.com/view/lackoffaith-disturbing-darthvader-starwars-gif-4883104

[celest dome]

My faith lies elsewhere
Dog of the Corpse Emperor

[dense mortar]

<quietly contacts the Inquisitors>

[celest dome]

Ha! Who do you think I'm working for

[dense mortar]

Working as a spy for the Inquisition in the Warhammer 40,000 universe is a highly stressful and dangerous job, and it can have a number of negative effects on an individual's personality and mental health. Here are some negative traits that might be associated with individuals who work as spies for the Inquisition:

Paranoia: The constant threat of discovery and betrayal can lead Inquisition spies to become extremely paranoid and distrustful of others, even those who are closest to them.

Burnout: The demands of the job can be overwhelming, and Inquisition spies may find themselves working long hours and neglecting their personal needs in order to fulfill their duties. This can lead to burnout and a lack of motivation.

Isolation: Inquisition spies must keep their true loyalties a secret, even from their closest friends and family members. This can lead to feelings of isolation and a lack of social support.

Guilt: Inquisition spies are often required to engage in morally questionable activities in order to protect the Imperium. This can lead to feelings of guilt and shame, which can in turn contribute to a host of negative emotional and psychological outcomes.

checks out

[crimson kayak]

Literally just mental risks of life in the imperium

[crimson kayak]

Naaah, there's a daemon already that always looks to all past and futures at the same time (can't look in the present through, long story) and even him can't actually do shit correctly

[celest dome]

Isn't it theorized that there is an unaligned Daemon that can do that ?

[copper patrol]

Kairos fateweaver, lord of change

[gloomy citrus]

He's a daemon of Tzeentch.

He lost his fucking sanity when he took a look.

Or what you could have called sanity.

[signal bramble]

Kairos has the most powerful future vision and abilities as a seer in the entire setting.

Unfortunately he's also completely batshit insane.

And one head always lies and one always speaks the truth.

[green loom]

He also may not be Kairos

[open pumice]

where the hell does the conrad curze is trans thing come from

[green loom]

No idea

[open pumice]

liek did i just

missread several novels

[crisp heath]

Every time I read anything about Curze I just think "female behavior"

[signal bramble]

I’ve always taken it as a meme that just gained traction.

[green loom]

Remind me not to litter around women

[crisp heath]

asking "why is Konrad trans" is like asking "why is Vriska trans"

[green loom]

Who's Vriska

[crisp heath]

Oh god

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CI8VCo7GqMs

[open pumice]

Yeah, that or porn

[storm jungle]

Just a lazy joke of "Women dont get the real problems with people but men do"

so pretty much every chad meme

I guess the trans thing was just an easy thing to put it

[crisp heath]

Characters who "did nothing wrong" are just trans coded, I don't make the rules

[open pumice]

My mans gone mental

[crisp heath]

Vriska, Curze, Herbert West

[open pumice]

uhhuh

[outer wave]

I agree!

[copper patrol]

people like yanderes

[signal bramble]

Kurze was just a misunderstood artist. His sculptures were so lifelike it was amazing.

[sullen pumice]

weird question, probably, but i have been looking for awhile now and haven't been able to find a source/answer

What are the Heretics actually saying, specifically, over the transmission at the end of the Relay Station TRS-150 mission?? Where they're all shouting "JOIN US!!" I've looked everywhere for a transcript of some kind but have come up short on that.

[crimson kayak]

probably too distorted to make out like the chanting parts of the vox transmissions

[sullen pumice]

It's definitely difficult to make out watching gameplay videos over the sounds of combat, but they're definitely saying something

at one point i'm able to hear something to the effect of "join us voluntarily, or be raised as a poxwalker and fight alongside us anyways"

[crimson kayak]

i mean that does sound like what they would say yes

they kinda are the whole "in your face" type of chaos cult

[scenic bolt]

janfon had a guide for ripping vt sound assets, and I think they managed to do so with dt, just not sure if it was with same method

[storm jungle]

I just tried

i literally cannot hear anything over the chaos aside from JOIN US

sadge

[sullen pumice]

i might take a stab at replicating the guide at some point, will report back if i get anything"

[storm jungle]

Yeah good luck the audiofiles are a mess

[scenic bolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIzRfDxGKEc&ab_channel=Janfon1

they mustve had some success if they ripped that

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more that theres so many voicelines

and iirc he said the files are not really properly arranged

[green loom]

That is pretty cool doe

I hope they'll manage to pluck in some friendly NPCs before long

This set dressing guys are cool but would be nice to see more of them

[errant yacht]

Any chances that the STC that the Centurion is built from was originally meant for Mobile Suits?

[green loom]

They just look like oversized exo suits to me

[errant yacht]

I always thought the intention was "Imperial weebs"

Personally thought that the Emperor's Shadows chapters of Space Marines would make extensive use of them due to their Japanese aesthetic

[orchid thicket]

Given that the relay station is daemon infested I'm pretty sure those voices are daemons talking directly to your head saying "JOIN US" once you've proven to be a threat

[hardy root]

Too bad when it's a squad of 4 zealots

[orchid thicket]

Always feels good to complete that mission and hearing Imperial propaganda at the end being played instead

Purge the heretic

[crimson kayak]

quite clearly was supposed to be mining equipment or such, have you looked at those drills?

just like how it was for terminator armour at first if i remember correctly

(also considering we do have imperial knights and that the smaller one is a bit bigger than a riptide battlesuit lorewise, we technically do already have imperial mobile suits)

It's just that they look more out of Gothic Mechwarrior than gundam

[crimson kayak]

now imagine if the tau ever actually manage to get a knight world on their side and you basically get the Clans from Mechwarrior too

[signal bramble]

They tried once before, it ended badly.

[crimson kayak]

as usual with tau approaching any major canon thing

[signal bramble]

They tried to recruit house Terryn.

[crimson kayak]

tell me you choose the worst option for approaching a knight world without telling me

the mf's literally try to actively not return to Voltoris so they can punch and shoot more for the Imperium

[signal bramble]

It caused house Terryn to participate in the Damocles gulf crusade, specifically so they could kill Tau.

[crimson kayak]

i mean, what do you expect from the knights who have markings on their robots for indicating they have slain Titan Class vehicles

[signal bramble]

Then a Tau sniper killed one of the knight pilots outside his suit which to a knight pilot is basically the ultimate insult. Which just pisses them off more.

[celest dome]

You have broken the honour code of chivalry, now I'm going to shoot you all with my giant canon

[crimson kayak]

btw don't knights have auxiliary forces on the ground like titans do?

outside of the regiments/armies they are supporting of course

[signal bramble]

They do.

The 8th and 9th edition codexes mention knight worlds having their own soldiers including tanks and aircraft and defense fleets.

Meanwhile the knight world in the new Dawn of Fire book has all of that and their soldiers are stated to be superior to several guard regiments.

[crimson kayak]

i mean they did manage to survive within nihilus and be basically autonomous

so they do get the certified galaxy badass status imo

[signal bramble]

But yeah.

While their ships are obviously not as strong or as numerous as the actual imperial fleet, even having a defense fleet will deter most attackers.

They even have warp capable craft to get them to the different war zones.

[crimson kayak]

yep, and after becoming one of the hub-fortresses they are just gonna get even better lol

[green loom]

https://youtu.be/GDLpw28-T4Q

Get a load of this

[crimson kayak]

well, mechanicus heads sure do give the tech-medieval vibe

considering the canis rex pilot helmet is kinda similar

would have never thought of using genestealer cults for the paesant mob vibe through.

[signal bramble]

The gsc work well for that since they use a lot of repurposed civilian stuff.

[green loom]

Yep, them and cultists work decently for random peasant rabble, GSC maybe for some more rigid guard

And then you have scions and stuff for the men at arms

I love how he explains some of their practices too

"It's this completely useless, silly thing
But it's what they do"

[shadow plover]

Oh boy finally a world without Krieg and it's fanboys, time to get squatted

[crimson kayak]

inb4 krieg starts just mass producing corpses and stalemate the fighting.

[urban spire]

what's wrong with krieg

[shadow plover]

their fans

[urban spire]

they've got great looking kit

what's wrong with their fans?

[green loom]

What isn't

Annoying reddit monkeys regurgitating the same 5 words non stop at best
Unironic wehraboo Nazis at worst

[urban spire]

that's the entire 40k fandom

[green loom]

Krieg are just particularly annoying

[crimson kayak]

it's basically the extremism convention around these parts

[shadow plover]

you can just check this server's post history and you'll find a handful of good examples

.. if they're not all banned already and thus their messages have been deleted

[green loom]

I meet one good one for every 50 morons

[shadow plover]

but I'm just mostly jesting, that rumour would probably mean new krieg kits if something if I'm totally honest

[green loom]

Not to mention, there's thousands of the little pricks

And they're so alike they make Krieg troopers look distinct from each other

[crimson kayak]

i mean they would just have to modify the veteran guardsman kit after all

[crisp heath]

Honestly a Krieg v Tyranid war would be my perfect campaign

[urban spire]

i remember when this game had just come out and this channel was non-stop people arguing that a single space marine could kill an entire mechanized infantry platoon with his bare hands

good times

[shadow plover]

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the FW range would be transferred to GW plastic down the line

[urban spire]

i think tyranids are a little boring

there's not much personality there

[crisp heath]

Honestly I'm excited for 10th edition lore, I hope they handle all this stuff they're teasing well

[green loom]

They won't

[shadow plover]

I've had #general-chat muted since a few weeks before the beta launched because I, and most of the regulars before release, knew it would be a cesspit after the release

[crisp heath]

That's why they're so fun, just a wave of faceless, nameless expendables that leave nothing in their wake

[green loom]

I mean maybe if you like Krieg you'll get another story of them dying and losing

[urban spire]

tyranids or the kriegers?

[green loom]

Yeah nothing interesting

But a bunch of stupid memes and annoying fans

[crisp heath]

Tyranids, but the same applies to what makes Krieg cool

Although good representations of Krieg do give them some personality that can be really interesting

[urban spire]

i want a story where a krieg guardsman gets slowly deprogrammed and learns to value their own life

[crisp heath]

This

[crimson kayak]

i would love for some of the auxilia forces to get a kit someday, like the Cadians on the Phalanx or the Ultramar Auxilia

[green loom]

The big regiments might get models

Steel Legion just went made to order

[crisp heath]

Although Krieg do value their own life to an extent, the whole "borderline suicidal" thing is more of a meme. They're entirely capable of desertion or outright heresy, it's just not epidemic because they're so conditioned

[green loom]

Atillans got their own kit

[green loom]

They are suicidal, they're just obsessed with making their death count to gain glory and through that redeem themselves

Or well

Less suicidal

More very willing to die

[crisp heath]

Yeah they value their lives less than redemption, but they do value their lives

[green loom]

Because they're not wasteful

[crisp heath]

Krieg are honestly part of the reason I'm so excited for Pariah Nexus. The fact that one Krieger is just screaming his fucking head off in the trailer convinces me they aren't going to take the "stoic death-machine" angle and actually paint Krieg like proper guardsmen: pissing themselves with fear and shooting blindly at anything that moves

[urban spire]

Pariah Nexus?

[crisp heath]

I just hope new lore doesn't just wipe their planet and make "Fall of Cadia 2.0", I want something fresh, like a tyranid defeat that doesn't feel like a complete asspull

[crisp heath]

New animated series that actually looks competent

[urban spire]

interesting

[green loom]

Same guys that made the 9th Ed trailer a few years ago

[crisp heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uewA-r_tQck

[crimson kayak]

wait, i can't see the krieger scream?

actually, i don't see kriegers at all in that trailer?

[green loom]

If it kills Kriegers it's ok in my book

[green loom]

You can see them walking to the downed thunderhawk I thinks

[crimson kayak]

they look more cadian to me

[urban spire]

cadians don't really have a look though do they

except for the kasrkin

[crisp heath]

There are Cadians, but most of the guardsmen in the trailer are Krieg

[crimson kayak]

yep, noticed later

[crisp heath]

Also, the humans the Salamander kills are also unmasked Krieg, there's like a half second where you can see them pull the mask off

[green loom]

Wym?

I can understand calling them generic

[crimson kayak]

i mean, the standard guard look is the cadian look

[urban spire]

you could argue that yeah

it's semantics though

i guess if you get real close you can spot a cadian by the eye colour

probably not her?

hard to tell with the filter

[green loom]

Doesn't matter, delete Death Korps

[urban spire]

only if we elevate steel legion

[crisp heath]

After watching the video, I don't think it's actually teasing Krieg v Tyranids, although whatever plot they do run will probably feature some Krieg

[green loom]

It's Valrak, half the shit he speculates is grasping at straws for content

[crisp heath]

I think it's more likely that 10th edition is going to finally have tyranids attack Terra, or at least a huge war in Segmentum Solar

[shadow plover]

the kriegers look like they're controlled by mind shackle scarabs because they're just shambling about

[crisp heath]

Valrak's argument is that the map shows Tyranids in Segmentum Pacificus, where Krieg is, but the planets that the map actually draws attention to are Chiros and Ultima Macharia, which have a little bit of lore but aren't really major planets, I think it's more likely that the image teases a huge fleet ready to breach into Segmentum Solar from the west

[shadow plover]

I've heard Macharia somewhere else recently as well

[crisp heath]

9th ed also made it very clear that Leviathan is making a straight shot towards Terra, so imo nids are about to flood into the heart of the Imperium

[green loom]

Lmao classic
"oh my holy Emperor, guys! The Nids, are in the same SIDE of the GALAXY as KRIEG! Do you know what this means???? Oh my holy emperor I can barely believe it, they're going to INVADE KRIEG!!"
And then the last wall gets activated and saves krieg

[shadow plover]

man I almost thought Valrak himself was in the chat

[crisp heath]

It's a big deal in-universe because it was the last planet that Lord Solar Macharius conquered, has a huge statue of him and is a shrine world, last I heard of it, the Great Rift cut it off from the Imperium and it was presumed destroyed

[green loom]

I mean ok the guy likes 40k, so I can get excitement

But still

[crisp heath]

Maybe they're just teasing that it's going to come back and actually be relevant outside of niche lore

[shadow plover]

ye but I mean like very recently I think it was mentioned somewhere

[crimson kayak]

also aren't tyranids already getting featured in teasers going vs terminators?

[green loom]

They are

It's apparently BA

[crisp heath]

yeah, that teaser is supposed to be about a box set and I'm not sure what the lore tie-in will be

[green loom]

Because apparently they use white helmets now?

[crisp heath]

all we really know is that we're getting new tyranids and terminators in a box

[crimson kayak]

blood angels can't catch a break from tyranids apparently then

[green loom]

I mean they're still cleaning them up

So it's no surprise

[crimson kayak]

most probably considering the series is vs necrons

[shadow plover]

that's where I pulled my conclusion, usually the mindshackle scarabs are not described as making the victim that visibly obvious that they're being controlled but it being an animated show it probably needed a better tell for clarity or something

[crisp heath]

So here's my evidence: 9th edition Tyranid codex says Leviathan is headed towards Terra, box set was released for Custodes vs Genestealers in 9th edition (set on Terra), Tyranid vs Terminator box set teaser, this map showing a huge fleet massed right at the border between Pacificus and Solar, and the last Arks of Omen card having extremely strong Tyranid vibes, I think Arks of Omen is going to end by opening up the Tyranid plotline, which will focus on Tyranids attacking Terra

[shadow plover]

isn't leviathan the one that is coming in to the galaxy from the 'below' instead of any of the galactic edges

like so

[crisp heath]

Yeah but most of it was destroyed and now most of it in the Eastern part, pushing towards the West

The new Tyranids may be a whole new hive fleet, since they're in the West pushing towards the East

[shadow plover]

most is a bit of a stretch, maybe a tip of some tendril yeah

[crisp heath]

Nah it had two main tendrils, one was destroyed the first time it tried to attack Terra and the other was destroyed in the aftermath of the Devastation of Baal

only the smaller tendrils are left

Which like, is still a huge number of tyranids, make no doubt

[rose thorn]

Wait why does the chapter castellans of the rift have rules? They have like no meaningful lore

[green loom]

Probably White Dwarf

They sometimes add random rules for random sub factions iirc

Often minor I think

[arctic talon]

they were a GW employees, homebrew featured in a white dwarf. Then they got featured in warzone nachmund

And they got the army of renown rules

[rose thorn]

AHhhhhhhh okay

[arctic talon]

It could have been any of the white dwarf chapters

Funnily enough

But the reason they chose castellans of the rift was bcs of the color scheme

And they were recent

[rose thorn]

Lol

Oh yeah quick question, what’s up with Terra’s moon? Is there anutning going on on there

[celest dome]

Isn't it the Sister of Silence's fortress ?

[crimson kayak]

Big ass fortress first, then abandoned and recently picked up again

Also the SOS have their base there

[rose thorn]

Ah makes sense

[crimson kayak]

Also held the space marine+ juice cawl used for primaris

Up until the Horus Heresy where guilliman gave it to cawl and said "go do cool shit"

[rose thorn]

I know Pluto is a radio station, Tera is Tera, Mars is mars

Is there anything else interesting going on in the solar system?

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[crimson kayak]

Titan is Redacted

[celest dome]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Sol_System#Notable_Planets

Wait now that i think about it, we're getting a Deimos Force Sword, Deimos is the FW that furnish the GK

[rose thorn]

HuH that’s neat

Funny that terra is labeled a throne world, like damn I hope no one gets the throne worlds mixed up

[arctic talon]

Saturn is a massive shipyard and naval base not connected to the mechanicus

[uneven temple]

Luna is more or less revived as the hub of the Sisters of Silence

[versed ledge]

So guys....is there any stories of a servitor regaining consciousness and rediscovering what it means to be human and goes into a philosophical journey to discover not only who he was, but also ponder the meaning of existence....

Just asking

Would love it if there was a Warhammer 40k story almost like nier automata

[uneven temple]

they're lobotomized, there isn't really much left to recover. what few instances i recall of them vaguely turning against their programming typically involves remnant urges/thoughts. not enough survives the process to actually restore themselves to anything resembling what one would consider existence as a human

[storm jungle]

Yeah unless you are like a super-surgeon that can fix the human brain they will pretty much just be a shell of their former selves

[versed ledge]

Weren't there several instance where a servitor did regain some of their desires or drives that they once had prior to neurosurgery? Like the servitor toy clown that retain its aggression, or a servo-skull of a condemned serial killer that still retains memories of both signatures and modus operandi when his skull for now does his killing

[signal bramble]

Yes.

That’s the entire plot line of Flesh and Steel, one of the warhammer crime novels.

Nah it doesn’t go that far but some are regaining consciousness.

[crimson kayak]

on master of mankind a servitor's last thoughts before being slain were regarding his old life

[rose thorn]

The WB subreddit raid on the UM subreddit is the funniest shit ever

They are such complete polar opposite ideologies in player base and in lore it’s amazing

God WB and UM is probably one of the best rivalries gw concocted

There’s something so natural about it, Gulliman didn’t even want to do it but was forced

And lorgar was aware he would have hated who ever it was, if anyone else did it he would ahve hated them the exact same

lorgar fan
opinion automatically invalidated when ever talking to any imperium fan

[green loom]

Lorgar realizes after fighting Guilliman

[urban spire]

what's WB

word bearers?

[celest dome]

Yes

[urban spire]

white boys.

the white boy raid on ultramar

[green loom]

Warner Brothers raid on Ultramar

[urban spire]

a warner brothers exec misheard superhuman as superman and immediately sent in a full copyright death squad

[crimson kayak]

inquisition deploying the minotaurs be like

[green loom]

Minotaurs aren't inquisition lackeys

They're High Lord Lackeys

[crimson kayak]

Oh yeah, confused them with the Red Hunters

[queen laurel]

I swear sometimes i wonder, are they really loyalist?

[green loom]

As loyalist as you consider the high lords

[crimson kayak]

that's a good question, and your chapter homeworld seems soo happy and full of fancy stuff, better not ask good questions if you want to keep it.

[queen laurel]

Me an undercover Ork that is looking for a good fight: on the contrary

[crimson kayak]

when minotaurs deploy it's not a fight but a massacre usually

[queen laurel]

Well a fight is a fight i will take it

[crimson kayak]

considering they are basically the 40k chapter that you could basically play with 30k models with all the shit they got

[storm jungle]

Minotaurs are fully loyal yeah, its more that they are a tool made for a different purpose to the Imperium.

These mfers are ready to go toe to toe with custodes if told to do so.

Which hints that they are just super indoctrinated

[queen laurel]

Ok what about marines malevolent

Or what's the name i forgot

[storm jungle]

the ones that bomb civillians?

[crimson kayak]

also their chapters master is maybe perpetual/some other kind of immortal

[storm jungle]

Marines Malevolent are just assholes.

Nothing deep to it.

theres a short story where they just actively steal from other chapters

and not even in a "heehee hoho" blood ravens way

they literally mug their supplies lmao

[green loom]

That's supposed to narrow it down?

[storm jungle]

YES

[copper patrol]

[storm jungle]

I didnt say "masascres civillians with axes while screaming like manaics" did i

[green loom]

True!

[queen laurel]

Me looks of the bible i made that contains the crime of every single space marine chapter

Yeah that checks out

[green loom]

I reiterate that the FT were barred from defending Cadia

[green loom]

One duelled a Salamander just to steal his stuff right?

[crimson kayak]

a list of space marine warcrimes would be the only book longer than Valdor's name

[storm jungle]

Literally yeah

they basically know nothing of honor that most SM do between Chapters

its made to show that they are just assholes and nothing else

that and being incredibly oppoturnistic

[green loom]

To be fair to them that's likely due to being basically cut off from admech resupply

[copper patrol]

I remember they pissed of the salamanders by using civilians as bait

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the most infamous example

and mostly the only "asshole crime" the community knows

[copper patrol]

also can you confirm we are getting that mauler chainaxe

[storm jungle]

Jokes aside I'm not a dev but it IS in the leaks

peeps posted them here a few weeks ago

[green loom]

If it were space wolves against them they would've been bombarded from orbit and then have their homeworld invaded because Wolves

[storm jungle]

along with a two handed force-sword iirc

[copper patrol]

so not confirmed next patch

sadge

[storm jungle]

We dont know because the next patch wont be just 2 weapons iirc

[green loom]

That's in Comm link

[storm jungle]

at least from the wording of it

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[copper patrol]

catfish said it would be more thne two

[storm jungle]

alright then yeah thats a good confirmation

so maybe 4 max

[copper patrol]

but the force sword in the comlink isn't the two handed one

[storm jungle]

Ah damn

[urban spire]

still kinda mad about that force sword

[crimson kayak]

same thing happened with a black templar

[copper patrol]

we'll just have to see how it preforms

[urban spire]

the force sword we have is already overwhelmingly single target

whatever, this isn't the place

[crimson kayak]

they just gaslight people into duels and proceed to jump them for their stuff

[copper patrol]

marines malevolent are assholes

back to that

[crimson kayak]

btw i would love to see something regarding the Relictors again someday

just a bunch of marines pulling up with daemon weapons and shit and chaos going "wait what the fuck"

[urban spire]

so

the age of apostacy was in m36 right

and the sisters of battle weren't really a thing before then?

[storm jungle]

The sororitas were made right after the Apostasy ended

during it they just served as the harem/personal guard of Vandire

because uhhh

https://tenor.com/view/women-hahaha-women-memes-haha-gif-24926576

something-something

[urban spire]

so how did saint sabbat have at least one sororita in her entourage in m34

[storm jungle]

oh uh