eh, wounding guilliman too close to 30k to count, he basically just gets high all day on his creative modded minecraft world, forgets he has forces to command, gets a little bit of trolling on isstvan and appears rarely for some minor mischief.
#40k-lore-chat
crimson kayak
copper patrol
why does he sound like what I do
the get high all day on the creative minecraft world part
crimson kayak
like, during the 13th black crusade all he does is get into one battle with the ig for absolutely no reason
tiny root
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjm8Voe-aFE Galaxy inversed, The Warp? Bleeding into realspace? any more than it already has?
green loom
Wasn't it also entirely avoidable, it was just him being kinda fucked in the head
Like iirc not all his visions panned out
copper patrol
you mean avoidable?
green loom
Oh yeah sorry, English isn't computing too well since I got like an hour of sleep and have started hallucinating
copper patrol
you are right otherwise tho
versed ledge
What...the...fuck... He better be traitor
storm jungle
What...the...fuck... He better be traitor
Yeah hes a traitor
storm jungle
Wasn't it also entirely avoidable, it was just him being kinda fucked in the hea...
Yeah entirely was
but it suffers from the thing of "Its the Horus Heresy so he has to go traitor"
common sense has no place in these narratives
green loom
Yeah Curzey is a traitor, and also dead
He spent his last days violently ranting to an effigy of the emperor made of flayed human corpses and crying
Ah well at least we got stuff like Talos out of it
storm jungle
Literally me
green loom
Idk who else was avoidable
storm jungle
Mortartion was a salt-boy from the start
green loom
Angron would be easier to determine if we got any real info on the nails
storm jungle
Angron would have possibly rebelled even without them having grown up in oppression.
But so was Corax in a massive prison complex due to the way the people that parented him and taught morals.
green loom
And yeah Morty was a hypocritical glory hound from the very beginning
storm jungle
also yeah Morty just sucked
theres a reason he has died/got his ass kicked like
what... 10 times now in lore?
green loom
He's like, one of the ones dead set for traitor pretty much
Just because of that shitty grudge for the kill steal
And him hating psykers
Funny to watch Khan just shit all over him though
Twice even
Magnus is a maybe, but that'd require him to realize he may be in too deep
crimson kayak
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjm8Voe-aFE Galaxy inversed, The Warp? Bleeding ...
maybe the contrary? realspace tearing into the warp?
green loom
You are assuming they put any thought into it(They didn't)
I'm 90% sure all the tarot cards are AI generated
And shit maybe even the script is
green loom
One of them confused me big time since it was a human holding an Ethereal's staff
.....but in Farsight colours
queen laurel
Angron would have possibly rebelled even without them having grown up in oppress...
Well, if Angron did kill Yarrick, we are about to see the greatest wwe match in the setting
storm jungle
LMAO
green loom
(Didn't even steal the kill properly)
storm jungle
I love how that box advertised Rag/Ghaz like they were rivals
yeah sure Jan
honestly the entirety of Psychic Awakening was just nothing
green loom
It's depressing liking Steel Legion/Yarrick and seeing all their big conflicts given to other factions
queen laurel
I wish Yarrick would kill Ragnar Blackmane
You mean the fancy space wolf looking fuck?
He's a space wolf
End of the argument
green loom
You mean the fancy space wolf looking fuck?
Possibly the worst character in the setting
Or at least up there
storm jungle
I like ragnar from a character perspective since his was one of the first 40k books I read
green loom
But Space Wolves have a tendency to suffer from "Baby's first Original Character syndrome" so that applies to a lot of them
storm jungle
But Space Wolves have a tendency to suffer from "Baby's first Original Character...
Yeah pretty much
green loom
They're still not as bad as Farsight and the Enclaves, which are basically just a textbook example for a bad homebrew
queen laurel
I like ragnar from a character perspective since his was one of the first 40k bo...
Isn't he that super tall space wolf that was respected by the orks?
green loom
Loses duel
Stabs opponent in the back and kills him
Applauded
queen laurel
I like ragnar from a character perspective since his was one of the first 40k bo...
I got the wrong one it wasn't him
green loom
If Space Wolves were any other chapter they'd probably be dead or something, at least the DA are quiet about friendly fire
storm jungle
they get a lot of leeway because they are a Founding Legion yeah
green loom
One wouldst say too much methinks
queen laurel
they get a lot of leeway because they are a Founding Legion yeah
How do i say this without being mean
My brother in christ they are literally the most stereotypical interpretation of a viking
green loom
It's mostly a writing issue imo but you can't do much to fix that since Phil Kelly is still allowed to write
green loom
How do i say this without being mean
My brother in christ they are literally th...
Untrue, they aren't wearing biker gear
And they don't have horns
crimson kayak
And they don't have horns
only because helmet horns got trademarked by chaos marines lol
urban spire
not that hard, by warhammer standards they're still just heavy infantry
they die to plasma, heavy bolters, multi las, autocannons etc.
storm jungle
Yeah they are basically literal bullet-sponges
urban spire
like all heavy infantry they are a kind or problem that is solved with the correct kind of tool
honest trellis
It's depressing liking Steel Legion/Yarrick and seeing all their big conflicts g...
I think steel legion may get support eventually
so there's that
green loom
You're more optimistic than I am
urban spire
it is frustrating when the guard has something cool going on so they decide they have to give it to space marines
storm jungle
If its a popular regiment they will definitely get an update
at some point
Or you can just be Valhallans and wait until hell freezes over
green loom
Just the way they like it
Idk though it's just frustrating
Guard have massive variety and would benefit from combined stuff
But we never see it, and at the same time marines get sub factions with their own supplements/codices and unique models
I get that marines are easier to do since they just add a few bits on the model, make a mold and start printing money but still, pain
storm jungle
Yeah guard's issue is they could expand the range massively but see no point in it when you can just keep selling more stuff to space marine players.
And they aren't as "swappable" I suppose when it comes to parts.
urban spire
well i hope space marine players like mirror matches
crimson kayak
me, a killteam enjoyer
arctic talon
There’s less marine players then before nowadays
Or rather
There’s more players of every other fucking army
winter vessel
Besides Armor and planets, are there other distinguishing differences between Elysian Drop Troops and the Harakoni Warhawks(my favorite)?
celest dome
Different doctrines iirc
Elysian use lighter vehicle that can be dropped
While Harakoni don't but have more air support or someting like that
signal bramble
Besides Armor and planets, are there other distinguishing differences between El...
The planet they’re from? XD
winter vessel
Yeah don’t know why I said planets tbh.
green loom
Don't Harakoni look more like traditional guard/carapace while Elysians have a lighter armour look?
arctic talon
Harkoni look like kasrkin sorta
While elysians look like normal guardsmen chest armor wise
celest dome
Harkoni are based on American Para, while Elysian are based on British SAS iirc ?
green loom
While elysians look like normal guardsmen chest armor wise
That's not a normal chest lol
The Harakoni set resembles standard guard more than the Elysian
arctic talon
That's not a normal chest lol
I forgor
urban spire
elysians use the accatran too
storm jungle
yeah the entire Elysian aesthetic is bullpups, padded clothing and carry handles
Wait hold on
There we go, the guns felt naked for a sec
storm jungle
Im sorry i had to
celest dome
Im sorry i had to
Still missing the 2nd's
echo vault
Which imperial armor book is this from
green loom
Can one really be this based?
Also their padded outfits are just so pretty
A shame we'll probably never see updated models
copper patrol
copper patrol
maybe it's like a keychain
green loom
It's tied to them so it doesn't fall off after a drop
versed ledge
Hell yeah Elysian love! Best damn guardsmen and women there is! I totally love their equipment design
Their tactics are great, but more often than not it's usually leadership that's the death of them....wait....
Almost like real life
winter vessel
Both the Elysian DT and Harakoni I really like, Reminds me of the US Airborne units back in ww2.
versed ledge
I get more of an ODST feel
winter vessel
We got the Cadians, Krieg, Steel Legion, Tallarn, Vostroyan, Valhallan, etc. But these Grav Chute soldiers are my favorite.
odd palm
The correct opinion, love to see it
winter vessel
wish we could get more updated models tho
odd palm
It would be nice to see a novel having the Elysians and Harakoni fight alongside each other so as to better differentiate both worlds drop troops
Especially so for the Harakoni as based off of their lex article, the only novels they appear in give off the vibe of the Harakoni being background fodder simply to show off how superior the Space Marines are
Otherwise there would be more info on them
versed ledge
I want a game about these bad boys and gals
winter vessel
Fatshark please give me a cosmetic for veteran to use the EDT uniform, if not the Children of Harakon, I'll settle for Elysia
versed ledge
Lore wise they're like the SF they sent out for the tithe
Already experienced in piracy interdiction operations,.right?
odd palm
Lorewise the Harakoni and Elysians appear almost identical in terms of doctrine, which is primarily due to the Warhawks frankly barren lore
Seems the main way to differentiate the two is equipment
winter vessel
Elysians I think deploy in larger numbers? Whereas the Warhawks are more small squad based tactics like Tempestus Scions.
odd palm
Perhaps, but both work alongside closely with the Scions and likely have adopted some of their tactics to enhance both regiments comparatively small sizes to other light infantry regiments.
If I had all the cited sources I'd double check for rough reg size
versed ledge
But don't Elysians also conduct the same level of tier 2 to tier 1 deployment operations akin to the scions?
green loom
Fatshark please give me a cosmetic for veteran to use the EDT uniform, if not th...
I just want a damn beret 😦
winter vessel
Still, this cover art goes hard, let me tell ya.
versed ledge
Still, this cover art goes hard, let me tell ya.
In that book a squad did conduct an SF mission and survived
But wasn't it against Nurgle plague marines?
versed ledge
Now different question, is there such a thing as economic recession and depression in the imperium?
copper patrol
presumably on a planet by planet basic
or larger sectors depending
but I don't think the entire imperium could go into one as it's so massive it doesn't even have a consistent currency(iirc)
astral whale
yeah the entire Elysian aesthetic is bullpups, padded clothing and carry handles
Wait the Elysians use Famas inspired Lasguns?
green loom
You play Darktide and you've never seen the Accatran?
urban spire
the bullpup lasgun design is a little confusing
the mag is a battery, there are no bullets in it
lasguns do not have a traditional receiver
you can put the firing mechanism as far back in the gun as you like
without having to move the magazine
urban spire
bullpups take up less space because the receiver is farther back in the gun than on conventional weapons, letting them have a normal length barrel on a shorter gun, which is why the magazine is all the way in the back
but you don't have to move the magazine on a lasgun
it does not have to move with the firing mechanism
hellguns literally have the "magazine" as a backpack with a beefy cable
you could literally keep the mag in your pocket, just hook up some chonky USB cables
versed ledge
the bullpup lasgun design is a little confusing
I think the idea is to be more compact, but you do make true and valid points. However if that was the intent, wouldn't a more powerful and stable version of the las-pistol be better for highly mobile units?
Now that I think about it, aren't more weapons in imperium designed rather silly...
winter vessel
Now that I think about it, aren't more weapons in imperium designed rather silly...
Its 40k, what's considered silly are what's keeping the Imperium's forces still fighting. But I like how a lasgun mag can also be used as a grenade and is rechargeable. Imagine seeing a guardsmen just chilling on a chair and he's got his magazine resting next to him recharging?
arctic talon
the bullpup lasgun design is a little confusing
The STC was designed that way
You change it you get horrifically mutilated
versed ledge
Grimderp makes the grimfun
urban spire
there's lots of non-stc lasgun patterns
open pumice
there's lots of non-stc lasgun patterns
not that we know of, but there are plenty of lassguns that are altered away from their stc designs once they hit the field
(not that there arent any, but there aren't any that are confirmed)
urban spire
well STCs are very rare, unlike patterns of lasgun, of which there's hundreds
open pumice
they're "rare"
but the imperium has had 10,000+ years to find and recover them
likely recovering several at a time
not saying there aren't nonSTC lasguns
but we don't know of any confirmed ones
it's also equally as likely that all mass manufactured lasguns with names are STC patterns
or mashups of a few different STCs
open pumice
the bullpup lasgun design is a little confusing
GW has explicitly mentioned they niether know nor care how guns work
they just design what looks cool
urban spire
i don't care, it's fun to think about
brisk beacon
urban spire
but
bolter shells are already explosive
they're not gyrojets they're little rocket propelled grenades
crimson kayak
hellguns literally have the "magazine" as a backpack with a beefy cable
marines now also use las-fusils with literal pocket batteries connected to the gun.
crimson kayak
wich is technically smaller than a scion backpack but also the gun is astartes size
shadow plover
closer to lascannon than lasrifle
green loom
I mean tbf they're also not mashing down full auto fire
shadow plover
theyre antitank in game as well
crimson kayak
closer to lascannon than lasrifle
i mean, a lascannon is just a bigger lasgun
urban spire
why can't they just use lascannons then, why they gotta steal the guard aesthetic
green loom
The only thing taken from the guard aesthetic there is the uhhhhh
Whatever the hell the end of the barrel is
urban spire
lasgun
shadow plover
it looks like a lascannon
green loom
Is it supposed to be a compensator or something? Dunno
crimson kayak
closer to lascannon than lasrifle
i mean, it's basically an hot-shot long-las always set to max firepower
urban spire
there might be some stuff in there that doesn't love sunlight, or it might just be to keep a bit of dust off the lens
who knows
green loom
Dunno, but that barrel design is consistent with las stuff in general
crimson kayak
why can't they just use lascannons then, why they gotta steal the guard aestheti...
i think it's because all cool heavy weapons where given to inceptors before they meteorite themselves within the enemy lines
also ill say this now, while the Mk.X tacticus is cool and all, both Gravis and Phobos pattern are 100 times better for an armour re-design
green loom
I like Tacticus, kind of
Like there's definitely some changes there just for changes
Though the longer i go on the more dumb marines look
crimson kayak
imo phobos should have been the standard for primaris and gravis for heavies
green loom
God no Phobos is garbage
crimson kayak
i mean without the reiver helmet it's fine
green loom
It makes clunky space knights into GI Joe in spehss
green loom
i mean without the reiver helmet it's fine
I do really like Inceptors(?)
But the weird fiber abs are just.... off putting
crimson kayak
It makes clunky space knights into GI Joe in spehss
i mean, the army theme of primaris seems to be forgetting how to melee considering not even death company models have more than a couple melee weapons shown lol
green loom
I think you can build them as assault intercessors or something, dunno don't play BA
crimson kayak
I do really like Inceptors(?)
But the weird fiber abs are just.... off putting
gravis is the coolest indeed
marines finally reached full gundam form
green loom
That or the fancy stuff Bladeguard/Sword Brethren get
Sword Brethren are my fav primaris models
crimson kayak
aren't they black templar models?
green loom
Ye
crimson kayak
uh then yeah
green loom
Feels like the older stuff with the weapon options :(((
Regardless they look kickass
crimson kayak
yeah but they did it dirty with the champion and grimaldus models through
green loom
crimson kayak
grimaldus literally got the angry teeth face grill now
green loom
Champion looks fine imo
Grimaldus though is just..... Grimaldus with a different backpack and knee guard basically
crimson kayak
Champion looks fine imo
Grimaldus though is just..... Grimaldus with a different...
dunno, it's not bad per-se, but some choices like the auriel now being detached from the helmet and such make it worse for me
crimson kayak
gw forgetting they are not actual christian templars
orchid thicket
The Iron Hands' gimmick doesn't make sense to me
How can their flesh be weak if they are Adeptus Astartes?
urban spire
because one day the crude biomass that you call a temple will fail, and you will beg my kind to save you
but i am already saved
for the machine is immortal
near wasp
The flesh is powerful, for it gives way to thought to power. Without the flesh your sacred machine would never exist. Without human ambition and desire the machine would break and wither just like the flesh you call weak
Well guys its been fun but i think im going to get taken to become a servitor after i said that
storm jungle
The flesh is powerful, for it gives way to thought to power. Without the flesh y...
this is why the Magos Biologis are the best
believing in the machine that is the organic human body which can only be strengthened through genetic enhancements and other doodads instead of crude metal
near wasp
I dont know anything about them
celest dome
How can their flesh be weak if they are Adeptus Astartes?
All Flesh is weak, even that of the Primarchs
storm jungle
I dont know anything about them
near wasp
Machines are just as corruptible
storm jungle
Also yeah lmao
its basically just up to what sect you prefer, I just love biologis because they are so unique
that and believing in the perfection of the already good human body is a great belief
orchid thicket
Machines are just as corruptible
I remember reading about a DAoT-era Titan that was sentient and willingly joined Chaos
urban spire
most titans are borderline sapient, definitely sentient
near wasp
Isnt tampering with human genecode heresey though
storm jungle
No?
Bruh the Imperium tempers with genetics constantly
their entire eugenics angle comes from there
near wasp
I thought that was one of the conditions of the treaty of mars
storm jungle
Well you see
politics and policies are flexible
For the most part, genetors differ little from other Tech-priests -- they bear the same manner of augmetic implants, venerate information and understanding as the manifestation of divinity, and engage upon the Quest for Knowledge in much the same way.
The difference is that they are not so quick to judge flesh and blood as inferior to steel and plasma and view living creatures as extremely complex and adaptable machines. Where some are content to make this observation distantly, others embrace it, seeking to improve their forms not with steel, but with better flesh and better blood.
To an unknowing observer, a genetor may appear little different to any other Tech-priest when swathed in their crimson robes.
However, where most Tech-priests' mass is derived from steel reinforcement and implanted armour plate, a genetor may have augmented themselves with vat-muscle, toughened skin, and organic-reinforced bones.
near wasp
I see
green loom
Any Auxilia Myrmidon gamers?
storm jungle
Dark Heresy Moment
urban spire
dark heresy is getting on in the years a bit
green loom
Myrmidons are the most based of chadmech
urban spire
my myrmies
crimson kayak
Myrmidons are the most based of chadmech
myrmydons are literally tech priests with big guns
urban spire
personally i am of the opinion that any tech priest who doesn't have at least one big gun is fucking up somehow
crimson kayak
sad forge world doesn't have their models anymore
but hey, they still got secutarii kits
celest dome
Sad that they won't get 40k rules
orchid thicket
Great interview of Dan
Timestamp is him mentioning that 40k is unique because it's the only big IP setting whose fans never want to visit it
orchid thicket
Yeah but they don't really count, do they? Because they're SMALL
storm jungle
Not really
It kinda comes across as old man boomerism lmao
40k dick size comparison is a boring tale as old as the setting at this point
orchid thicket
It's a boomerism I agree with
Cue a clip reel of space marines killing jedi knights and the Imperial Navy destroying reapers
storm jungle
Cue a clip of some Astartes getting overrun by Flood spores
crimson kayak
it's funny because without 40k scale/named character stuff most of the 40k verse is pretty much on par with most sci fi
storm jungle
Pretty much yeah.
People got this notion that 40k is the apex of sci-fi for some reason when its really not.
orchid thicket
It's my favorite fantasy setting really
storm jungle
And I say this from a place where 40k is my favorite sci-fi setting
crimson kayak
same tbh
storm jungle
Either way yeah its a setting with a lot of faults as any fandom
Its not the perfect one by any means
orchid thicket
I'm not sure if 40k can really be considered sci-fi
storm jungle
It is sci-fi
crimson kayak
I'm not sure if 40k can really be considered sci-fi
it's on the star wars ride of being sci fi fantasy
storm jungle
Same as how One Punch Man is also sci-fi
orchid thicket
I suppose the definition of sci-fi must be broad indeed
storm jungle
Yes and 40k enters it in countless areas.
crimson kayak
is it set in the future? does it have technology we don't currently have/can use efficiently enough? then it's sci fi
storm jungle
Yep
orchid thicket
That reminds me, there's this series of crime novels set in 40k that's been popping up in the black library front page recently
Maybe they're worth a read
storm jungle
Warhammer Crime is good
crimson kayak
That reminds me, there's this series of crime novels set in 40k that's been popp...
lol every time i open black library i only see that damned cato sicarius omnibus popping in front of me
orchid thicket
it's funny because without 40k scale/named character stuff most of the 40k verse...
Developing on this thought, I think this is only because most authors (most people really) really struggle to comprehend the sheer scale of 40k and what its factions can do
storm jungle
I mean again not really
40k is big because its made to sell toys
40k also very much suffers from having too many authors
who produce subpar to perfect quality books
orchid thicket
Sure, but we can look at this retroactively
crimson kayak
Developing on this thought, I think this is only because most authors (most peop...
i think the contrary, not understanding the fact that scale is needed (as it represents a wargame) and the too many author problem we get author's pumping up single characters instead of the forces as a whole
storm jungle
^
Exactly this.
40k is awesome at first glance but once you get past the sparkles it has a lot of glaring issues.
orchid thicket
Knowing some of the nature of how military operations are conducted in the 40kverse, I can safely say that Isstvan should never have happened. Realistically, what is the frontage of a Space Marine legion? 5,000 light years? Maybe half that.
storm jungle
Thats because the authors are not good at writing logistics.
This is widely mocked by the fandom
storm jungle
They are all white old british dudes
who havent spent any time in the army
so they wouldnt really know logistics if it bit them on the ass
I mean I dont either but you get my point
crimson kayak
salamanders literally had to receive a fuckhuge ship that makes 99% percent of their stuff to resolve the "wait, how are we getting armed again?" problem
orchid thicket
Yeah that's partly the problem. I find it funny though that they made a detailed map of the Imperial Palace and wargamed it a little bit by discussing what maneuvers both sides could take for the Siege of Terra series, hence Jaghatai Khan's all-or-nothing sally out of the walls to retake Lion's Gate space port.
storm jungle
Explains why the Siege writing is so shitty
orchid thicket
You don't like SoT? I've only ever read Saturnine, the Scars pov book, Echoes of Eternity, and The End and the Death volume 1.
crimson kayak
salamanders literally had to receive a fuckhuge ship that makes 99% percent of t...
also notice how the products of the Forge of Vulkan are never mentioned again as that would mean the salamanders literally have only master crafted/artificer equivalents
copper patrol
orchid thicket
It happened because plot also we're biased towards Chaos
but we'll make the Imperium win anyway because people buy them the most
storm jungle
You say that like chaos got any good momentsin the Siege at all.
crimson kayak
im fine with that tbh, the whole galaxy boiling to a war of attrition where warfronts change but never gain too meaningful ground
storm jungle
And yeah its fine
its more that Siege's writing is just soooo padded out
literally making an entire novel out of the most pointless stuff because they decided that the Siege needs to be its own series for some reason
💵
crimson kayak
It happened because plot also we're biased towards Chaos
the biased toward chaos can literally be described in the fantasy storm of chaos event
crimson kayak
wich if funny cause they could have still used the "lore tournament" setup for you know, making actual battles in the conflict just outside of the main storyline
orchid thicket
You say that like chaos got any good momentsin the Siege at all.
Wreathing Terra in a miniature warp storm so it looks like a diseased eye in space where the Four are watching from the edges was cool
Samus giving his monologue, Chaos Horus pov, etc., all pretty cool in my book
Also Abaddon starting his path towards becoming Warmaster
It is pretty padded out though so I've ignored the entire series leading up to the assault on Terra itself
Thankfully authors like ADB and Abnett are good enough to make even filler content enjoyable
Now I can't wait for volume 2 of the last book
storm jungle
Yeah pretty much only ADB/Abnett's stuff was good
the others are almost entirely a snorefest at imes
solid valley
i had a question in regards to darktides lore
do we know if the nurgle worshipper attacks are restricted to atoma prime or is it a system wide issue
cause if its the former a few things in game dont make sense to me
like us being unable to get reinforcements, the character creator states incron had a large imperial navy base
and us reclaiming the manufactoriums on an occupied world and wasting the resources to hold those wouldnt it be more wise to bring weapons in from the forge world in the system branx magna
signal bramble
i had a question in regards to darktides lore
do we know if the nurgle worshippe...
I’m not sure if it’s entirely spelled out but usually such attacks on a single planet attract attention from others in the system.
copper patrol
I am fairly sure there is at least a ground war going on outside the hive
signal bramble
A grinding war on an imperial planet would usually draw reinforcements to both sides and cause things to escalate.
signal bramble
I am fairly sure there is at least a ground war going on outside the hive
He was talking about on the other planets, not just atoma prime (the planet) itself.
copper patrol
I got the planet and hive name mixed up
signal bramble
It’s been shown consistently that whenever a big war happens in the universe that it inevitably draws in other factions for one reason or another.
Vraks was just a single well defended traitor world and it drew in chaos Marine, various chapters, etc.
orchid thicket
i had a question in regards to darktides lore
do we know if the nurgle worshippe...
Considering that in-universe the term "Darktide" is a propagandic term that refers to vague xeno and heretical threats that the Moebian sector has been dealing for a while, it's entirely possible that Atoma Prime is not the only warfront of the Nurglite uprising we're seeing in the game
We don't know for sure and it seems even our rejects don't even know how many hives there are on the world since everything is understandably kept hush-hush
Despite this, it seems our characters are granted access to some classified material since there's dialogue about eldar, and also there's scuttlebutt going around of the Sergeant Major surviving a genestealer attack
plush mason
afaik eldar tyranids and the other xeno races are only kept hidden from the civilians. once you join the guard you get a crash course in the many enemies of man
near wasp
Also its stated that at least one hive on atoma has already fallen
storm jungle
afaik eldar tyranids and the other xeno races are only kept hidden from the civi...
Yeah pretty much
orchid thicket
Also its stated that at least one hive on atoma has already fallen
I heard a rumor that there were Chaos Space Marines in that hive
plush mason
its a hive world so it likely has many hives
near wasp
Nows when we find out atomas a tomb world and everybody dies 
plush mason
lol
storm jungle
based necron ending
the only mention of necrons so far tho is the ogryn saying necrons messed with Morrow's brain
near wasp
Oh no trayzens been busy again
plush mason
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i hate that there is almost 0 editing needed for that image, and i love it at the same time lol
storm jungle
Mindshackle Scarab Moment
green loom
Yeah pretty much only ADB/Abnett's stuff was good
And both of those have their crappy habits also
plush mason
imagine fleeing from genestealers only to head first into a necron warhost
storm jungle
And both of those have their crappy habits also
Abnett's issue is he has been writing for 40k for like 20 years so hes like a messiah and almost untouchable criticism wise when even he has a author has many bad habits
green loom
Ye
I mean don't get me wrong
Horus Rising is the only book i've been able to properly read in a week
plush mason
Abnett's issue is he has been writing for 40k for like 20 years so hes like a me...
such is one of the many pitfalls of success and fame
near wasp
imagine fleeing from genestealers only to head first into a necron warhost
Then the necrons gun down the genestealers and leave without saying a word
signal bramble
Abnett's issue is he has been writing for 40k for like 20 years so hes like a me...
Out of curiosity that made me look at my audible library of 40k books. I have some of his stuff but they’re definitely not my favorites. Most of my favorites are Haley and Mitchell.
plush mason
Then the necrons gun down the genestealers and leave without saying a word
and just leave you huddled on the ground crying and gibbering like a madman, and then some random IGs come by and shoot you
green loom
Out of curiosity that made me look at my audible library of 40k books. I have so...
I adored Great Work from Haley
plush mason
the emperor's mercy is no joke lmao
near wasp
Most of my books are chris wright but i dont have very many
green loom
Most of the complaints I hear of ADB are that he likes chaos too much if I recall
Or those factions
signal bramble
Robert Rath wrote Infinite and the Divine and Kingmaker. I’d probably rate him my favorite out of them all.
green loom
Abnett sometimes just writes something incredibly stupid
near wasp
Robert rath is the goat
signal bramble
Most of the complaints I hear of ADB are that he likes chaos too much if I recal...
ADB has a hate boner for big E and you’ll never convince me otherwise.
orchid thicket
Most of the complaints I hear of ADB are that he likes chaos too much if I recal...
His characters also tend to lean towards the oc-donut-steel fanfiction-tier category
green loom
Well, as long as he writes for the same company Phil Kelly writes for he'll be beat
The Farsight Enclaves are basically just textbook for a bad homebrew lol
signal bramble
The farsight novels are pretty good though.
green loom
Still very stupid
orchid thicket
His characters also tend to lean towards the oc-donut-steel fanfiction-tier cate...
His characters also tend to be depressed and angsty but aside from that he's really good at capturing the scale, grandeur, and brutality of the setting
When he's not writing a Chaos character for once, he's surprisingly very good at it
signal bramble
When I moved a few months ago and was on a 7 hour road trip to the new place I listened to crisis of faith on the drive and was hooked from the very beginning.
orchid thicket
Sanguinius under his pen was heroic and perfect in a way that outshone all the other heroes in the Siege of Terra (as he should)
green loom
"Ah yes my super epic protoge military commander didn't like his leaders so he left, he also made his own faction of badass military warriors who do not afraid of anything, he also goes and helps his former leaders to help an old flame he can't confront, he's ALSO a super epic awesome edge-case melee warrior who has an ancient relic blade that extends his lifespan"
orchid thicket
"Ah yes my super epic protoge military commander didn't like his leaders so he l...
Not as bad as that but Talos did have a Blood Angels relic power sword called "Aurum" (lol)
green loom
Doesn't that just mean "gold"
orchid thicket
Yes, it just means "gold"
green loom
I mean idk Talos seems fine
signal bramble
Where I’m at in my current reading endeavors. XD
green loom
Bit on the epic OC side but only on claims of being le epic amazing duelist
orchid thicket
Yeah he's alright. ADB fluffs up his characters' traits but he makes them interact with each other in very interesting ways
signal bramble
Custodes armor is also called “aurumite.”
orchid thicket
Custodes armor is also called “aurumite.”
I must be blind because I never made the connection till now
lol
green loom
You tend not to think about Mustardes until a debate surfaces on which epic OC can kill them
orchid thicket
You tend not to think about Mustardes until a debate surfaces on which epic OC c...
Level 30 Aramus from DoW2: Chaos Rising
near wasp
I like the custodes. Genuinely my favorite faction
green loom
Where you'll have a dozen people saying that a naked world eater can kill them, another dozen shouting at them saying that was a screwup, and another 20 just spewing fanon they read in another thread
orchid thicket
Aramus: "..."
signal bramble
One of them dies easily enough in iron kingdom from a few point blank melta shots.
orchid thicket
Q + W + E + R right click
near wasp
A point blank melta shot deletes about pretty much anybody xD
green loom
"What do you mean anti tank weaponry can kill super soldiers?"
orchid thicket
The Custodes despise space marines but I have more respect for Astartes than I do for the golden banana boys
The Adeptus Astartes have been integral to the security of the Imperium since the Horus Heresy, meanwhile the Custodes have been content to drop genestealers into the Imperial Palace so they can play deadly hide-and-seek
green loom
Tbf they are guarding something that, if destroyed, will collapse interstellar travel pretty much entirely
near wasp
They also have been going on crusade now that gmans awake
orchid thicket
They also have been going on crusade now that gmans awake
Well they're lagging behind 10,000 years of battle honors compared to space marines
signal bramble
A point blank melta shot deletes about pretty much anybody xD
Yeah he got hit by several at once. His armor managed to absorb 1-3 at first and then he got cored.
near wasp
I mean sounds about right
signal bramble
Should have rolled better on his invuln save.
copper patrol
near wasp
This isnt the tabletop traitor
signal bramble
XD
near wasp
I deperately want an ogryn to meet a custodain just to see the tomfoolery that would follow
orchid thicket
Navigator waifu...
green loom
Kinda based
near wasp
Smfh
orchid thicket
Navigator waifus are canon. I read the Night Lords trilogy
Love can bloom in the grim darkness of the far future
plush mason
sure it can, but that isnt the story people buy the books for kekw
ummmm, wtf is in a tau rail gun that makes it completely ruin the progenitor gland of the space marines?
green loom
Besides it blowing it up?
honest trellis
ADB actually writes Chaos as characters with agency and can pull off "the EMperor is bad actually"
this apparently makes a lot of readers very upset but then again people actually like Guy Haley so clearly taste is overrated
plush mason
lol
plush mason
this apparently makes a lot of readers very upset but then again people actually...
the smooth brained "the imperium is the good guy!" crowd can read?
serene mist
Imperium is generally better than a lot of chaos
But the better is work monotony until you puke your lungs out
Whereas chaos shoves a spike up you and calls it modern art
plush mason
GW has literally said the imperium is one of the worst factions of the lot so idk what else to say
honest trellis
the smooth brained "the imperium is the good guy!" crowd can read?
Well someone has to be the top minds of 40klore
serene mist
Would you rather
- Be ground down by shit work conditions
Or - Have a Slaneeshi Daemoness suck your eyeballs off
plush mason
hell one of the biggest draws of the 40k IP is the fact that everyone and thing in it is evil as shit
honest trellis
The problem is unironic Imperium stanning is kinda a Problem
fandom is the worst offenders but writers get in on the "fun" sometimes
serene mist
Sure a lot of the Imperium is complete shit but Chaos is, generally, a lot worse
plush mason
The problem is unironic Imperium stanning is kinda a Problem
because it has sadly become a gateway to Fascism
serene mist
Am I wrong here?
plush mason
yes
green loom
Would you rather
- Be ground down by shit work conditions
Or
- Have a Slaneeshi ...
I know people who'd take the latter
plush mason
there is no redeeming the imperium or chaos or the tau or any other faction in 40k
that is the whole point
serene mist
Redeeming isn't what I'm talking about
celest dome
All the good factions have been extinguished
plush mason
yes it is, you are comparing and rating evils which is a form of redeeming/justifying the lesser one
celest dome
Tbh Chaos and Imperium are at the same level, but we never see the stable chaos planet, just the one that are in turmoil
plush mason
"there is no hierarchy of sin"
green loom
Well technically
There is that one world in the bile books
That's one massive trade hub
But chaos generally just doesn't do stability
plush mason
thats how a chaotic systems works funny enough, case in point. the irl milkyway lol
Sol is an island of stability in a sea of hellish chaos lol
serene mist
The thing is tho
What, for normal hazards on an Imperium world, can turn reality inside out or twist you like daemons can
What can make you oblivious to the pain of your insides becoming your outsides and not being able to die of it
green loom
Well there's a number of institutions that can turn you inside out
And the machines you work
Workplace safety isn't exactly prio
serene mist
twist you like Daemons can
orchid thicket
there is no redeeming the imperium or chaos or the tau or any other faction in 4...
The Tau and their client races can be redeemed since they're the only normal sci-fi faction in the setting lol
serene mist
Key thing
green loom
Machines do worse honestly, have you seen a lathe work a person?
plush mason
What, for normal hazards on an Imperium world, can turn reality inside out or tw...
a pissed off psyker lol, or just any pissed off/bored high born really just the later wont be literal
serene mist
Clearly there's a disconnect here
plush mason
the average human in 40k has 2 options, be a slave for the emperor or be a slave for one of 4 dark gods, both options lead to a quick death for most
celest dome
As much as Lathe are scary
Hydraulics spill are so much scarier
And you actually are taught to not touch them
plush mason
The Tau and their client races can be redeemed since they're the only normal sci...
nah they are still evil and completely brain washed by the Ethereal cast
also they are very young
orchid thicket
They'd definitely be a villainous faction in a regular sci-fi setting that's for sure
plush mason
so its a "give them time" thing
crimson kayak
only tau as in blue boys are ethereal influenced tbh
orchid thicket
On that note I absolutely love how humanity is the big giant ancient empire in 40k
Usually that role goes to some alien race
crimson kayak
and they do have the enclaves as the "fully good" faction
green loom
Usually that role goes to some alien race
It does, multiple times
queen laurel
and they do have the enclaves as the "fully good" faction
Also i prefer their color scheme
green loom
Eldar, Necrons and Orks are all older
orchid thicket
That's true but currently the Imperium dominates the galaxy
crimson kayak
we are just the ones who built Bigger
orchid thicket
and everyone has to deal with them
orchid thicket
Bit too big of a change for me to like honestly
an expansion of the Eye of Terror would have been alright in my book
plush mason
i cant wait to see how badly they fuck him up so some McGuffin of a mary sue ultramarine can beat him easy
orchid thicket
but splitting the galaxy in two?
queen laurel
If i had the nickel for every time a stealth based specialist went absolutely ballistic i would have Three nickels
queen laurel
I only know Sly Marbo, who are the other two?
The ork kommando is snikrot and the lictor is called death leaper
orchid thicket
Cool
plush mason
The ork kommando is snikrot and the lictor is called death leaper
are named lictors reused by the nids like the other named nids are?
queen laurel
are named lictors reused by the nids like the other named nids are?
Well, after what death leaper did to a world it would be a dumb decision not to use him over and over again
plush mason
yeah
hell the hive mind likely does but as its a lictor no one is left alive to report it lol
green loom
Ye it works like the swarmlord
queen laurel
Ye it works like the swarmlord
Yes, it is an outstanding specimen it would be a waste to just get rid of it
orchid thicket
What did the death leaper do?
queen laurel
What did the death leaper do?
Hold on let me get the link real quick
crimson kayak
wait... didn't lictors get the memories and experience of slain members?
queen laurel
What did the death leaper do?
First encountered on the Imperial world of St. Caspelan in 997.M41, this Tyranid terror weapon spread fear and undermined the population's morale, breaking their will to oppose the coming swarm.
Far from being a mindless assassin, Deathleaper instinctively knew that the death of St. Caspelan's spiritual leader, Cardinal Salem, would have only created a martyr that would have increased the intensity of the defences on St. Caspelan.
Instead, Deathleaper infiltrated the cardinal's bunkers, slaughtered his advisors and hacked through his bodyguard, only to leave the cardinal himself unharmed, covered in the blood and viscera of his closest aides.
The vile Lictor continued its brutal psychological torture of the cardinal by repeating this gruesome carnage for ten solar days, bypassing ever-increasing levels of security. Each time, Deathleaper came within a claw's grasp of the cardinal before once again mysteriously fleeing from the bloody scene.
The knowledge that the Tyranid assassin could eliminate him at any time was more than the cardinal's sanity could take. His panic-stricken paranoia and broken mind did more to break the morale of the Caspelan Planetary Defence Forces than any mere execution could have accomplished.
As terror and confusion reigned free, Hive Fleet Leviathan invaded the world. The swarm of the Great Devourer easily butchered its leaderless prey due solely to the actions of the Deathleaper
crimson kayak
and that's the newer lore, the old medusa 5 campaign said that if the hive fleet could ever get an hold of deathleaper and re-absorb him their vanguard would be basically undetectable
like, the old point of that campaign is that the behemoth invades just to get him back
orchid thicket
That's cool
storm jungle
That's true but currently the Imperium dominates the galaxy
The Imperium isnt "dominating" the galaxy really, its more just "infesting" it.
It loses and gains world on a daily basis ala like the parody of the Roman Empire its based on, it lays claim to the entire Milky Way but can barely keep its own functions going
The entire reason the Imperium hasnt fallen to warring feudal systems is because it must exist to sell toys.
versed ledge
I wonder if there's an imperial world that's just normal and earth like, but forgotten due to the vast administrative apparatus
storm jungle
Entirely possible.
orchid thicket
Eh, don't know about that. A lot of its institutions have their own monopoly on absolutely critical sectors that keep the Imperial machine going, like the Navigators and the Mechanicus. Not to mention that the Astronomican only exists because of the continued sacrifice of the Emperor.
copper patrol
I am pretty sure
that alot of worlds are pretty normal
but those aren't cool and grimderk
orchid thicket
I like to describe the Imperium as "decentralized but not really" because of that
storm jungle
Eh, don't know about that. A lot of its institutions have their own monopoly on ...
I mean it does but it wont last forever. The Imperium's eventual fate is to be fractured into warring states, even having a unified ""leader"" has caused it more schisms and unification.
versed ledge
Critical sectors are usually in the front lines or vital trade routes....thus we hear about them
versed ledge
Else like IRL, we don't really hear much about other places. Like let's say point a landmass in the map
orchid thicket
On a meta level sure but GW just put half of the entire imperium in the dark to sell even more toys
storm jungle
Well yeah its meta because the Imperium has massive amounts of plot armor.
If the Silent King wanted to destroy like billions of its planets a named marine would just kill him and everyone would gather for the next WWE match next sunday
orchid thicket
On that note, I believe BL authors have lamented that toy sales drive the plot and not the other way around
versed ledge
Pretty much, or if the Tyranid hive fleet wanted, they could just wanted to monch the galaxy to bug poop, but someone will stop it
storm jungle
Yeah thats been the case since forever
orchid thicket
I think Dan Abnett was annoyed at having to memorize all the different kinds of Primaris Marine
storm jungle
Minis are also designed first and lore for them is made later.
orchid thicket
Intercessor... is all I know
versed ledge
Only reason we're getting mars tech is because minis were made
copper patrol
AoS authors must annoyed by that constantly
storm jungle
remember when uh
Tactical Marines
were actually Tactical
and you didnt need to be a different unit to use a fucking rocket launcher
orchid thicket
Wasn't there a Primaris buggy model? With stubbers instead of bolters for its machine gun hard points - guess there's an example of the mini being designed first
orchid thicket
I don't know why space marines would need a wheeled rover when they already have land speeders
versed ledge
They were? I don't see any ammo pouches
versed ledge
What the fuck is that? It makes no sense
copper patrol
orchid thicket
I don't know why space marines would need a wheeled rover when they already have...
Well the answer is "they don't" but toys need to be sold hence things like the Dreadknight and Centurions
storm jungle
What the fuck is that? It makes no sense
I hope you like being the driver
muzzle flash so bright to see where you are even going along with being deaf
storm jungle
my favorite had to be uh
versed ledge
I hope you like being the driver
W0T I CAN'T HEAR ANYTHING from the sound of the Vulcan
storm jungle
"their helmet will prevent them from going deaf"
okay but
MUZZLE FLASH KINDA BRIGHT
green loom
I mean it does but it wont last forever. The Imperium's eventual fate is to be f...
imo, the Imperium is already just warring feudal states, and only exists as an entity for convenience of said warring states
versed ledge
Muzzle flash and that air burst from constant dakla
storm jungle
imo, the Imperium is *already* just warring feudal states, and only exists as an...
They arent warring persay, its just disputes
any imperial system that wages war on each other instantly gets a boot on its throat
The Imperium's problem (ala Rome) is that its way too big to sustain itself.
green loom
Also helps that some of the larger worlds literally can't sustain themselves
storm jungle
So it will basically eventually collapse and you will get ımperial guard, marines, sororitas, admech etc setting up their own territories and such
Some loyal, some not, some entirely differet.
versed ledge
That sort of explains the dawn of war campaign missions
versed ledge
Why are loyal guards going up against loyal Marines, because bureaucracy
storm jungle
Yep pretty much
one of 40k's best reasonings for having your armies fight each other
tho uh
it works less with alien factions
minus Orks
also Nids
and Deldar
versed ledge
Why are guardsmen going up against sisters of battle..... honestly that there is a little more valid
storm jungle
Yeah thats uh a bit more bad
green loom
They're kind of insane
storm jungle
Nah Sisters can be sane
green loom
The leadership tends to be on the crazy side of fanatical though
storm jungle
the ironic part is the Convent in the game is the Argent Shroud who are very reasonable
replacing them with the Bloody Rose might have been better
kek
green loom
Ever egged on by the Ecclesiarchy
versed ledge
Yeah.. it's self defense, diplomacy failed, and the imperial cult doesn't take prisoners
storm jungle
Yep
green loom
I mean sometimes they do
But at that point, you'd probably rather die
storm jungle
even if you surrender they will just burn you on a pyre after sentencing
green loom
Or uh
storm jungle
or just servitorized
green loom
Penitent engine
storm jungle
or that
versed ledge
At least there, there's a damn good reason to fight. The same reason I e fight against orks or chaos
Because dying will be painful
green loom
You ever read the bit of the guy being turned into an Arco-Flagellant?
Creepy shit
I think the worst thing I've read about is toy servitors
versed ledge
Oh God now I want to for morbid curiosity sake
orchid thicket
Why are loyal guards going up against loyal Marines, because bureaucracy
In the case of the Blood Ravens, it's because their chapter master was secretly corrupted by Chaos all along
storm jungle
that wasnt the case when the game came out
back then it was just
"give us our relics or we kill you"
versed ledge
Toy servitors? Are they like joy toys?
storm jungle
Toy servitors? Are they like joy toys?
green loom
In this one Arbites book I think, the MC has a servitor at home called Glambo, which is a criminal that got servitorized and is now a clown toy
green loom
Yes
versed ledge
Kind of funny
green loom
And the excerpt in particular is him leaving home for good to go to the academy
queen laurel
You've got to be f****** kidding me
versed ledge
In this one Arbites book I think, the MC has a servitor at home called Glambo, w...
Oh that one the bookeeper
That was creepy
orchid thicket
"give us our relics or we kill you"
It's a retroactive explanation for those actions, which is pretty cool
orchid thicket
You've got to be f****** kidding me
Now that's a buggy I can get behind
storm jungle
Yeah but like even if it was chaos its very stupid
green loom
You've got to be f****** kidding me
I know the imps have reverse engineered ork tech before, but this isn't what I had in mind
storm jungle
"Battle-brothers every imperial on this planet is a bad guy, shoot them."
versed ledge
You've got to be f****** kidding me
When ork weapon design is more reasonable than human
storm jungle
also this lmao
you know its bad when the ork kart literally has no issues
then you see the Imperial mockup and oof
orchid thicket
Yeah but like even if it was chaos its very stupid
The Blood Ravens were likely invoking one of their rights as a space marine chapter to secure a battlezone for themselves, which other Imperial forces disagreed with and pressed their own claims, leading to conflict
No side backs down because they're all ancient warrior orders with too much pride and tragedy ensues
storm jungle
The Blood Ravens were likely invoking one of their rights as a space marine chap...
Im sure Soulstorm went about as logical
versed ledge
Soulstorm is just insane
storm jungle
Soulstorm is crack
orchid thicket
Well the Blood Ravens canonically lost 500 marines at Kaurava so it's all good in the end
green loom
You think that's bad, you should see the Unification mod
versed ledge
There's absolutely no reason for all imperial forces to fight each other there when there's everything else in the sector out to quite literally rape their souls
storm jungle
Well the Blood Ravens canonically lost 500 marines at Kaurava so it's all good i...
Thanks Boreale
you sure were a great strike-commander
versed ledge
STEEEHL REHN
storm jungle
"Just spam drop pods. They will never learn out tactics."
green loom
It's been a while since I've seen a boreale meme
Kinda glad
orchid thicket
There's absolutely no reason for all imperial forces to fight each other there w...
Man when chapters like the Knights of Blood or the Flesh Tearers are in your part of the crusade you had might as well be fighting CSM's
versed ledge
All good and all but you're not hitting actual vital positions that are pounding the fort
green loom
Ah yes, the Flesh Tearers, the only chapter banned from defending Cadia
versed ledge
KD ratio to high for friendly fire
orchid thicket
Force Commander Vanilla Ice in DoW2 was also meant to be another Boreale promoted by Kyras but he turned out to be better than mr. steel rehn luckily enough
green loom
Thought the agreed upon name was "Hairgel"
queen laurel
Gorgutz gaming
versed ledge
What's with the love for the blood ravens in the dawn of war series when the ultra marines, salamanders, and marine lamentors are better
queen laurel
green loom
What's with the love for the blood ravens in the dawn of war series when the ult...
They went with a custom chapter for the first game, people loved them because they had nice voice actors and a not awful story, and then they were kept
orchid thicket
Thought the agreed upon name was "Hairgel"
It's either Hairgel or Vanilla Ice, though I guess the former is easier to say
green loom
I wouldn't mind a game about like, the Angels Vermillion or something
orchid thicket
They went with a custom chapter for the first game, people loved them because th...
They're also a unique chapter with interesting characteristics, though sadly this is never really reflected in gameplay (hint: Librarian squads)
green loom
Oh also it gives them more leeway to screw around with story
If you go Ultras you HAVE to use Calgar, you HAVE to use Sicarius, and it can't have any serious rammifications on the chapter itself
versed ledge
Will there be a dawn of war 4? Or has the series died in the third Moba
green loom
Prolly not, DoW 3 had worse reception than Darktide launch and it screwed things up so hard that it killed the franchise
I figure it's why some people are a little apprehensive to go omega tantrum on DT for fear it'll just kill development
copper patrol
I mean
storm jungle
Nah that would never happen
copper patrol
storm jungle
Darktide is not in the best place but the game has WAY TOO MANY good things in it
Dawn of War 3 was just.... awful
orchid thicket
People say DoW1 and DoW2 had nothing in common but I'd say they had this - soul, and a love for the setting. DoW3 just felt... mass-produced
storm jungle
basically it would be like Fatshark releasing Darktide as a battle-royale
versed ledge
Darktide has environmental story telling
storm jungle
Its not even environmental
green loom
Terminator back flips
storm jungle
the game has so many good things in it
versed ledge
True too
green loom
C.S. Goto was such a weird specimen
storm jungle
^
copper patrol
just has(and still kinda has) a bad loop for gear
storm jungle
Yeah this
green loom
Yeah but see some people overhype like crazy and are newer satisfied
versed ledge
But have you guys just taken the time to simply stroll the habitation units? How people live there in the factories?
storm jungle
the gameplay is satisfying its just missing the buns
storm jungle
But have you guys just taken the time to simply stroll the habitation units? How...
Also yeah the storytelling like that is great
green loom
It's not like the 40k community has a habit of ruining good things 
versed ledge
Looks like Hong Kong coffin apartments but 100x worse
storm jungle
Lmfao yeah its literally Kowloon but as a planet
versed ledge
Somewhat thankful I don't see children toys strewn about
green loom
I would've gone dying light style and added the kids
storm jungle
Dead Space 2 Moment
versed ledge
Go full No more room in hell and make it dark as fuck
storm jungle
"What if we just made a necromorph child which is a suicide enemy"
green loom
Kids are cruel, Rannick!
storm jungle
But yeah like when you add kids to a game that you can kill
its very bad for marketing
copper patrol
storm jungle
can almost ruin your rating and the amount of markets it can have access too
versed ledge
Sadly marketing takes precedence
green loom
I'm happy with how things are tbh
I JUST WANT MY DAMN GLOVES
versed ledge
Even though the people we're slaughtering once had lives but now turned infected and desperate
Definitely okay.....
green loom
Well see that's the fun thing about Nurgle plagues
copper patrol
idk if they are even desperate more just insane
green loom
It isn't basic zombie stuff
copper patrol
we are basically putting them out of their misery iirc
versed ledge
Also why do we have to do the impossible for proper PPE!
green loom
It forces you to do stuff, and is a lot less jolly than meme canon makes it out to be
storm jungle
^
versed ledge
Yup
copper patrol
do they?
versed ledge
Just think of it as granting the emperor's mercy to them
green loom
I only heared pained groans
copper patrol
I guess I'll have to listen closer
storm jungle
The groaners are the ones that beg for help
green loom
I do like how the poxwalkers horde *laugh* tho
Isn't that also how they spread the infection?
storm jungle
since they arent turned yet
versed ledge
I only heared pained groans
Same, and explosions of grenades
storm jungle
Isn't that also how they *spread* the infection?
Yep but thats thankfully not in the game
versed ledge
And las fire
storm jungle
otherwise getting corruption from just being poxers would be annoying
versed ledge
Lots of dakka...too much noise to hear the finer details
green loom
I love the people saying Nurgle is the least bad chaos god
Then you see the average infected, and realize plague marines tend to fall apart or even kill themselves when exposed to blanks
versed ledge
I wanna see
crisp heath
Plaguebearer be like: "three million five hundred and sixty eight"
green loom
God we need a 40k horror game
Though I'm happy we're to the point we have a nice shooter and not just random mobile or indie trash
versed ledge
Rotting and inflamed at the same time
storm jungle
green loom
Imagine an actual inquisition story game
versed ledge
A part of me wonders if there's proper medical care, maybe we can combat Nurgle more effectively without military intervention
green loom
Oh yeah, the world is a lot more fucked up than most of us would like to know
copper patrol
hmm
orchid thicket
https://twitter.com/mikefranchina_/status/1616108363250798592
Gnarly
copper patrol
i'd one of those like
maybe?
but also it's a whoel nurgle plague
not just a regular plague
storm jungle
Honestly you cant
green loom
A part of me wonders if there's proper medical care, maybe we can combat Nurgle ...
iirc there was a system that was developing cures and stuff so Nurgle focused it down and destroyed it
copper patrol
it was basically a bio weapon unleashed on the hive
storm jungle
Nurgle's entire deal is basically warp-based
btu yeah if you stop it WAY early its managable
if theres infected tho you are basically fucked
green loom
Yeah the plague eats through filters and solid objects
Starts infecting the planet as much as the people
Also, never stops evolving
Basically sentient
And it tends to have a lot of help once things get a bit bad
storm jungle
All of these yeah
versed ledge
Funny enough if there's a medical nerd amongst us, they can probably confirm those horns and skin conditions are possible
Definitely not disturbing thought at all
green loom
It's like how Soulstorm explains how the alpha legion got there
Some lone guardsman walked into the wrong church, went insane, then havoc ensued
copper patrol
green loom
Shit can get real worrying once you look into it
versed ledge
Like most things concerning nurgle
green loom
I find it funny how chaos has stans similar to the imperium
green loom
That was tame, even then
copper patrol
bUt NurGlE iS sO HapPy
green loom
"Khorne has a code of honor"
green loom
See
copper patrol
but they never use it
green loom
The thing is
khorne doesn't really have anything beyond maybe might makes right
But his followers do
Since he attracts martial archetypes and whatnot
Like sure eventually they'll grow into bloodcrazed raving berserkers
dense mortar
Has anyone tried to open diplomatic channels with the Chaos faction?
green loom
It went very well
copper patrol
it didn't go well
green loom
For starters they need to be sane or not bloodthirsty enough to converse with in the first place
copper patrol
it's like when the drukari "helped" the tau
most people that are chaosy enough to know they are chaos
are just insane as fuck
versed ledge
So what if the chaos gods are worshipped and preached like so?
green loom
Doesn't workl
Eventually things will get distorted
I forget which Heresy novel explains it
copper patrol
yeah
versed ledge
Damn
copper patrol
there is some planets/cultures that have basically done that in the past
and it never goes well
green loom
Ot
*It's also just that
Khorne isn't the god of war
He's the god of blood
He wants 2 things
Blood and skulls
Doesn't care where you get them
versed ledge
So that means the wickedness behind these gods are legitimate then
copper patrol
mostly
versed ledge
They're essentially devils
copper patrol
if it had been nice from the start
green loom
It's mainly that they're inherently negative things
copper patrol
then they wouldn't be evil as balls
but since they where made from a lot of negative shit
green loom
Sure you can "worship" slaanesh by having say a fertility festival or something
copper patrol
then they are evil as balls
green loom
But that's not what it feeds off of
Sure you can "worship" tzeentch via learning
But it's not what he feeds off of
copper patrol
it's all too small for them now
green loom
You can fight a war, duel people
But that's not what Khorne feeds off of
copper patrol
basically
versed ledge
What does the emperor feed off then? Duty? Goodness? Or war?
green loom
What does the emperor feed off then? Duty? Goodness? Or war?
Think it's just flat worship
green loom
And if they are they're usually a chaos cult in disguise
celest dome
What does the emperor feed off then? Duty? Goodness? Or war?
And Psykers
green loom
Touche
But yeah basically
The Chaos gods aren't all that complicated
They feed off broad things, so there's many things that contribute to them
But it all centers into their main theme
Disease, Excess, Blood and Change
versed ledge
Also gotta love the 40k universe, a place where its fanbase regardless of creed and origin can collectively say "I do not want to live in there"
green loom
Well you do have the odd strange guy who does
But they usually fail to grasp how bad things really are
celest dome
Warhammer fantasy would be the 2nd best setting from Warhammer to live in
Maybe 3rd with AoS, but it really depend
celest dome
Still 40k is 3rd at the very least
And the best warhammer world to live in is Bloodbowl
storm jungle
Oh hell no
AoS and Fantasy are fucking horrible lmao
unless you lived in a walled city you are basically fucked
tbh even if its walled you might get invaded by basically anyone
even the Order factions are massive assholes half the time and its great
celest dome
Still, living in Fantasy is less bad than living in 40k
storm jungle
Yeah but its basically just the dark ages with actual monsters
The Empire of Man is at least based
celest dome
And still, Blood Bowl would be the best setting to live on from a GW's Ip
green loom
Can a discord mod get any more based smh
celest dome
2nd most based Warden
orchid thicket
So what if the chaos gods are worshipped and preached like so?
Actually it's this one
green loom
Ok but what is everyone's preferred monogod faction
celest dome
To join or in general ?
signal bramble
Ok but what is everyone's preferred monogod faction
Slaanesh.
copper patrol
Khorne
celest dome
If I'm a Magister/Psyker -> Tzeentch
Otherwise Khorne
copper patrol
or tzeentch
signal bramble
Though I do have a death guard army that’s a lot of fun.
green loom
I liked Khorne a bit
orchid thicket
Ok but what is everyone's preferred monogod faction
Khorne but probably Slaanesh
near wasp
Ok but what is everyone's preferred monogod faction
Nurgle
crimson kayak
Has anyone tried to open diplomatic channels with the Chaos faction?
whats the point when you know their objective is exlusively fucking you up
it's like poland asking kindly germany to leave after seeing them crossing the border
crimson kayak
also the emperor technically is pulling a vashtoor so as the others said, just worship
crimson kayak
And still, Blood Bowl would be the best setting to live on from a GW's Ip
blood bowl also has the funkiest excuses for some item like camera's and such
also if you live in the core of the tau empire you are pretty much safe tbh
like, no major event happened on T'au, like ever
it's basically the safest haven you can get considering you are also outside of the caste system
you can basically do whatever the fuck you want and live a normal life
orchid thicket
Terra would be the safest place against external incursions but GW gotta stir shit up in the most heavily defended planet in the most heavily fortified star system in the galaxy to sell plastic crack
crimson kayak
Terra would be the safest place against external incursions but GW gotta stir sh...
yeah but terra still has all the internal shit going on
you know, being the imperium
and the largest hive ever
orchid thicket
That's why I said external incursions
gloomy citrus
Made by Dorn.
orchid thicket
T'au would probably be a nice place to visit
crimson kayak
T'au would probably be a nice place to visit
tbf the first sphere of expansion is mostly safe now that the borders expanded
gloomy citrus
There's a Tau commander that found a daemon sword, like Fulgrim.
orchid thicket
There's a human diplomat for the Tau in a Ciaphas Cain novel that's described as being a stunning blonde with hair dressed up in a long Tau-style braid
orchid thicket
And I'm like yeah that does sound exotic and attractive
damn xenos tempting good Imperial citizens
gloomy citrus
There's a human diplomat for the Tau in a Ciaphas Cain novel that's described as...
Aren't the Tau bald?
orchid thicket
The diplomat herself was a human turncoat
crimson kayak
Aren't the Tau bald?
depends
orchid thicket
Humans living under T'au rule provide quite the philosophical challenge against Imperial doctrine
signal bramble
The Tau are more insidious than they let on but as I’ve mentioned before, if I ever had to be taken alive I’d choose the Tau 100% of the time.
plain ibex
Other than no shoulder pommels, near perfect Cadian Shock Trooper look I think
Also have an okay version here of a Cadian 110th Shadow Corp. I always liked the name/look of them. How do they fit into the lore?
arctic talon
Also have an okay version here of a Cadian 110th Shadow Corp. I always liked the...
They’re just a paint scheme
No real lore
plain ibex
Good to know! Thank you! 🙂
terse flume
the emperor is slowly dying too, despite the like belief-is-reality warp conceptualization