40k-lore-chat

[crimson kayak]

I mean, they upgraded standard marine equipment alongside giving them old stuff, so they could have done so for the guard too just giving them less old stuff

[green loom]

Solar Auxilia cringe
Guard cool

[crimson kayak]

me, a scion enjoyer

[green loom]

Plus idk what they would've even given them

Marines get prio on good stuff so getting them cool new stuff is easy

Guard less so

[crimson kayak]

i mean marines literally got bolter+

hell, eliminators literally use hotshot lasguns+ already

[queen laurel]

This is why I love Orks, i can completely make a new weapon that does not exist and say don't worry it's lore accurate

[green loom]

Yeah but why would you give that to the disposable Cannon fodder

[crimson kayak]

because unlike 90% of every other special equipment who's even maintenance guide is lost to time itself this is standard issue and currently manufactured gear

[green loom]

Would hardly call it standard issue

[crimson kayak]

yeah but you could have just upgraded standard equipment on the same way they did with bolters and power armour, it would actually be easier when you consider how easily manufactured lasguns are

[green loom]

Yeah which begs the question, why upgrade lmao

[crimson kayak]

because that's the force that keeps your world/sector together after the space marine go literally everywhere else?

[green loom]

Doesn't seem worth it to overequip a garrison force

[crimson kayak]

i wouldn't consider it over-equipping lol

it's like saying that because the death korps have lucius pattern they are over-equipped as those lasguns fire more powerful shots

[green loom]

Not really, Lucius lasguns are still Lasguns
Hotshots are notably harder to produce than Lasguns

[queen laurel]

I would rather have my entire planetary defense force over equipped with weaponry considering that green fungus do this everyday

[green loom]

You already have heavy weapons and Mass Lasguns

[queen laurel]

Yes, and the six foot tall green fungus has a giant ball of scrap with tiny legs that has enough firepower to blow up the position of my soldiers

[crimson kayak]

yeah but i don't see why not having better heavy weapons and better lasguns, and it's not like cawl didn't have the time or funds or production capabilities to do so.

[green loom]

Because it's not cheap

And it's one hell of a bigger logistical challenge than equipping the star soldiery with the best gear

[queen laurel]

You think warhammer universe cares about resources and practicality?

When humanity makes robots as big as a mountain?

[green loom]

It does when it makes things grimdark for Cannon fodder

[queen laurel]

In the warhammer universe you can't be over equipped

My brother in christ there are insects the size of mountains coming at my home, it turns out the nice lady in the shop was actually a monster

[green loom]

Yeah which means you're always under equipped
So why bother giving expensive equipment to walking corpses

[crimson kayak]

eh, could just have re-used las-fusils and the autocannons/heavy stubbers tech primaris use

[queen laurel]

I would rather be the most
prepared rather than not being prepared at all

[crimson kayak]

like... it's not all holy unproduceable bolters and big-ass fuck you cannons anymore

cawl produced enough equipment for basically a legion with the greyshields... in secret

[green loom]

Over 10k years

[crimson kayak]

yes, and this equipment is still being produced now

and as i said, some of it is already just better stubber/autocannon/lasguns

[green loom]

Idk how you think producing stuff for the marines is comparable to equipping the guard, which is probably a few thousand times larger

[crimson kayak]

don't have to equip all of it instantly obviously

[green loom]

Yeah but why bother retooling everything if you can just keep the status quo with basically no discernable change

[crimson kayak]

because the status quo is still there lol, space marine now basically have human gundams that drop from low orbit with just their armour.

[green loom]

But that's still space Marines

There's more guardsmen in one army than there are marines in total

[crimson kayak]

as is said, could have been a gradual introduction

just like how new cadian guards have both the old kantrael and the new garand looking lasgun

same as how not all firstborn instantly received a fresh new suit of gravis armour

[green loom]

Yeah you'll gradually introduce after like 50k years or something

[green loom]

Aside from a big number of them being dead
It was ready made for primaris

[queen laurel]

That's still better than giving them no equipment at all, every enemy we have is progressing so we have to progress as well

[crimson kayak]

also this

bigger threat need bigger gun

[green loom]

It really doesn't

[urban spire]

the guard needs new stuff because it sucks when only one army in a wargame gets a bunch of upgrades

[crimson kayak]

also this

[green loom]

I mean we did get cool field guns

[queen laurel]

And hey if they don't get new stuff they will literally get out powered by every faction, as they keep using the old weapons more and more the other factions will keep finding weaknesses to the old weapons, new equipment would definitely catch them off guard

[urban spire]

lasguns are fine though

lasguns are the imperium version of the m1911

[queen laurel]

Yes, but they are not the only things that support the guard army

[urban spire]

idk what i'd say the guard needs exactly

[green loom]

But we're getting new tanks and field guns......

[crimson kayak]

only because they got rebranded as ww2 america in space and need new stuff to match the theme lol

[green loom]

?

[urban spire]

guard theme as always depends on the regiment

[crimson kayak]

yeah but cadians where good because they didn't really represent anything

look wise atleast

[green loom]

They still don't?

[urban spire]

cadians were boring imo

[green loom]

Aside from starship troopers

[urban spire]

i prefer a good themed regiment

[green loom]

I like cadians

[urban spire]

kasrkin specifically are kinda neat

[green loom]

Or Chadians

[urban spire]

regular cadians? nah

they just don't have the personality of krieg, or steel legion

[green loom]

The only real change I noticed is shoulder plates being slightly smaller

[green loom]

Krieg don't have personality

[crimson kayak]

they literally got m1 garand lasguns, fieldguns and a that sherman looking rogal dorn tank

[urban spire]

or hell, vostroyans

[green loom]

?

I wasn't aware field guns were used exclusively by the US

And idk I don't think not having a pistol grip immediately makes a lasgun a garand lmao

[crimson kayak]

field guns was more on the ww2 side than the america in space side

[urban spire]

what do the new lasguns look like?

[green loom]

Kinda like Lucius Lasguns

[green loom]

But it's just kantraels without pistol grips basically

[urban spire]

much bulkier, but i wouldn't compare those to the lucius

the lucius is REALLY distinctive

love to see a guardsman with a melta

[green loom]

God they look so. Cool

[urban spire]

love to see a guardsman fully equipped to make a space marine fan cry

[green loom]

Wouldn't mind bulkier shoulder pads, these seem too form fitting imo

Also the weird knee pad

[urban spire]

fork fitting

that's called a codpiece

[green loom]

Reee

[urban spire]

protect ya where the emperor split ya

idk about looking cool though

[green loom]

I really like them anyway

[urban spire]

they look like regular guardsmen

astra militarum

also i really don't think the new lasgun fits the m1 profile

[crisp heath]

Who needs that newfangled gibberish when you gots a manticore

[green loom]

I just wish they made the kit with only rebreathers

Faces are mis

[urban spire]

sounds like you need a 3d printer

[celest dome]

When in doubt, print it out

[urban spire]

anyway the m1 garand has a pretty slim profile, these lasguns almost look like lmgs

they're fucking massive

[green loom]

I can barely afford KFC for lunch, a printer is out of the question

[urban spire]

if you can afford to buy warhams you can afford to save up for a small 3d printer

[crisp heath]

carve pieces for your minis from your kfc bones

[green loom]

I can't afford it yet

[celest dome]

Some libraries have 3d printers just have to pay for the gross materials

[urban spire]

honestly gw is probably going to put themselves in an awkward position if models remain as expensive as they are

[green loom]

I don't think the Balkans are that advanced yet

[urban spire]

the remote village in norway that is the closest population center to the middle of nowhere in which i live has a 3d printer

in the public library

[green loom]

Yeah but that's Norway

[urban spire]

this aint oslo

there's like 2k people living here total

[crisp heath]

tbf it's 2k norwegian people

[urban spire]

there's more sheep here than humans

this far out in the middle of nowhere there is much less money going around

[crisp heath]

Norway isn't even a first world country anymore, it's a 0th world country

[urban spire]

we don't even have a mcdonalds here

much less kfc

[crisp heath]

that literally just proves that you're living at the height of civilization

[urban spire]

we do have a thai food truck though, bless her heart

[green loom]

I might know one guy with a printer

[urban spire]

she is too kind for this world

if you ask for something without shrimp she'll offer to replace the shrimp with spring rolls

[green loom]

But I don't think I want to interact with him

[urban spire]

anyway if you live anywhere near a city there's probably a maker space

[green loom]

What's a maker space

[chilly creek]

A place for people to tinker with/create stuff

Usually has a workshop etc.

[chilly creek]

Often they have a 3d printer

[urban spire]

could also be called a hackerspace

[green loom]

I've never seen such a mystical space

[urban spire]

they don't often have a big advertising budget

you have to go out of your way to find them

[green loom]

I still have to figure out if I can even order stuff from this store

Only store in the country that does Warhammer as far as I can tell

[urban spire]

kasrkin are sick though, granted

[crisp heath]

I got curious so I started going through directories of them and the closest one I can find to me 4 hours away by car T-T

[urban spire]

also inquisitorial storm troopers

though idk about scions

[green loom]

Karskin are epic sauce

Especially the new ones

[green loom]

Scions are good if berets

Though their armour design leaves a lot to be desired tbh

[urban spire]

the blue uniforms look kinda mid

[green loom]

Idk if there's many colour schemes that make them look too good
Karskin and Cadians at least look good in camo

[urban spire]

if it was red and they were called, idk, mechanicus scions

or skitarii scions

i'd be all about them

[green loom]

Or if they doubled down on them being inquisition

Imo

[urban spire]

like if the armour was mars red with gold trim, and they had longer armoured skirts?

f-fuck

[green loom]

And also more segmented for more mechanical style

Maybe some more flat plates instead of the weird ornaments

[urban spire]

the skitarii vanguard are fine i guess, but the bucket helmets...

[green loom]

And robes

[urban spire]

oooh the bucket helmets

[green loom]

I love bukkit helms

They're like space sallets

[urban spire]

not buckets i guess

yeah sallets

[green loom]

Also extremely good for knight house militia conversions

[urban spire]

or this particular design of kettle

[green loom]

German?

I think?

[urban spire]

fuck if i know

[green loom]

Kek

[urban spire]

think it might be some HRE shit but i really don't know

[green loom]

It look cool who care

[urban spire]

unrelated: guardsmen should have more chainmail

[green loom]

Idk
Though I will forever advocate for bulkier guards

[crisp heath]

I will always advocate for dumber guards

that's why we love valhallans

[gray umbra]

Vitrian dragoons have a pretty dope chain mail design

[urban spire]

that's scale mail

[plush mason]

i think that is Swiss

iirc the Swiss guard wore that style of helmet

[urban spire]

i see

[rose thorn]

I have no clue why i love Greyfax but she’s the queen

[open pumice]

I despise greyfax Lmao

[celest dome]

Best Living Saint is Saint Sabbath

[urban spire]

didn't know she was a living saint

thought she was just dead

regular saint

[celest dome]

Nah she came back, twice already iirc

Divine Tomboy Saint

[storm jungle]

Big woman in armor

also high heels

also pilgrim hat

[plush mason]

lol

everyone loves a wide brimmed stovepipe

[shadow plover]

my man's suffering from back burns

oh I just now realised the wings she form the double headed eagle which is kinda neat

[celest dome]

Huh, never noticed it too

[rose thorn]

TRUEEEEEEEE

[storm jungle]

👌

[urban spire]

oh yeah, crossbow bolter, i remember her

power heels

fuck

fans self

armoured heels is a LOOK

[rose thorn]

She’s also completely fucking unhinged in the audio books

She doesn’t just hate chaos she hates everyone in her way equally lmao

She doesn’t even like the sisters that much

It’s amazing

[urban spire]

wasn't she a commander in DoW2

[chilly creek]

No, that was Adrastia

[signal bramble]

Ah yes Greyfax. The baddest bitch of them all.

[signal bramble]

Nah she and Celestine are totally in love with each other.

If you read the books, the romantic tension between them is obvious to the point you want to yell at them to just kiss.

[rose thorn]

I’m still working on uhhhhh the one where they are working together

IBUT FRFR

[signal bramble]

I know shipping them is a bit of a meme but if you listen to the books the feelings are pretty obvious for each other.

[storm jungle]

I dont blame you because Inquisitors love pilgrim hats lmao

some just blend in

[rose thorn]

I thought the game grim dark was a warhammer game because I thought the art was an inquistor lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[rose thorn]

I mean grim Dawn

Like that looks like a fuckinh inquisitor

[copper patrol]

I mean the fantasy inquisitors also look like that

so it's probably just based on those

[storm jungle]

^

Basically pilgrim hats are associated with with-hunting

since the settlers in the U.S used them a lot

its not just warhammer that invented that idea, so as usual it stole it from other images/material lmao

[coarse pumice]

Sisters of Sigmar

[green loom]

I'd say it's another case of 40k fans being very bad socially but it's a pretty consistent take so what do I know

[rose thorn]

Honestly that would be a baller theme for a cities fo sigmar army

I hope the sigmar crusades army don’t fuckinh kill the othe r AOS cities races

I honestly love the atheistics of cities and how much kitbash potential it has

[green loom]

I doubt it will

I mean I figure the focus will he on Free Guild for now

But we'll see how it pans out, I'm hoping Old World will have a lot of crossover for it

[plush mason]

iirc Van-Helsingr had one in the movie

[storm jungle]

Nah his hat was more classic

flat with a long brim iirc

[storm jungle]

Honestly its not

they literally have an entire hour of interactions and comments at each other with lots of teasing.

Compared to uh

"OMG YVRAINE AND GUILLIMAN LITERALLY TALKED ONCE, THEY GOTTA BE FUCKIN'"

Which is just teenage-coomer mentality lol

[sleek wigeon]

real

[green loom]

With Yvraine dropping basically immediately after Guilliman gets settled

[storm jungle]

^

Its basically:

Yvraine: Woman

Guilliman: Man

[green loom]

"You're useful for us active, go do things and don't cross us"

[storm jungle]

smashes action figures into each other

[plush mason]

lol

[chilly creek]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/685207414500622394/1085885420014940240/1678953160820295.png

[green loom]

They tend to also not know of Guilliman's rogue trader lady

[storm jungle]

SHE LITERALLY

CALLS HIM ROBU

[green loom]

Yes

[storm jungle]

which is genuinely great

[green loom]

I also love people talking about a Ynnari alliance when they're basically psychotic suicidal loose cannons
(And also don't know who Eldrad is)

[plush mason]

of all the pet names he could have its just "Robu"

[storm jungle]

Speaking as a girl id say Robu is a pretty cute petname

the other option is Guillotine

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres literally no alliance.

Eldar and Imperium are culturally spread far and wide faction wise

no group knows what the other is doing

[green loom]

Mr Beancounter hue hue hue

[green loom]

I think Bob has something going with Eldrad as of Gate of Bones? But that's just Eldrad and his buddies, I figure Bieltan are still as genocidal against then as ever

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats more Eldrad being Elrond

popping in once in awhile to deliver the news/circumstances of the galaxy since as an exile he has more autonomy to wander around

compared to Guilliman whos either drowning in bodies or paperwork

[plush mason]

isnt that the farseer who is so old his bones are crystalizing?

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

I like that the leaders in that are not braindead
The envoy of one of the high lords basically goes
"These assholes betray us basically at every turn, why would we trust them?"

[storm jungle]

Eldrad is OLD, been around since at least 30k

[storm jungle]

Meanwhile said high lords

Literally ready to backstab each other at every turn

Imperium Moment

[green loom]

Hey it is an envoy of one, the high lords themselves are still politicians

[storm jungle]

they should plead the 5th

[sleek wigeon]

reminds me of the 1st episode of Hammer + Bolter

[plush mason]

the imperium is just the skaven underempire of 40k

[storm jungle]

pretty much

humans are always petty, even in 40k

[green loom]

Speaking of High Lords
Has Morvenn Vahl or however you spell her name, done anything?

[storm jungle]

Uh not really

just been in battle-zones

[green loom]

Typical smh

I figure we'll have more grimderp imperium politics before long, just hope we get some decent books in the meantime

[sleek wigeon]

I wonder what crazy shit Cawl has been doing

and how he hasnt been dobbed in for heresy yet

[green loom]

Mostly being a nutty old man with his butler: Alpha Primus

[storm jungle]

Also as with politics

if you got enough influence you are mostly untouchable

Guilliman also keeps Cawl at a relatively "normal" rank

if he was fabricator-general there would be an actual civil war

[green loom]

And Cawl is also illusive and secretive
And way smarter than you'd think

Mostly because he's

[storm jungle]

^

[green loom]

Ykno

Like 50 of the HHs top researchers crammed into one

[storm jungle]

Its important to know not everyone in the Imperium knows him like we do with access to all his lore and background.

They mostly see him inventing some things but dont know his deal for the most part unless you are a top echelon admech guy

[green loom]

Yeah and he himself thinks it'd be too limiting, he'd have to play politics instead of running around

[storm jungle]

Yeah exactly

[sleek wigeon]

fair lmao
ig as long as it isnt an STC, they dont have grounds to get him

although I wonder then:
what stops someone from making an STC well under wraps and then claiming they found it?

[green loom]

You can make new stuff they're just very stingy about approving it

[storm jungle]

Nothing.

Its the IRL black market logic

just dont get caught

kill witnesses

etc

[green loom]

And also they progress at like, a monumentally slow speed
But they still sort of progress

[storm jungle]

also this

[sleek wigeon]

keanu reeves narration in the 41st milennium, what makes someone a criminal?
getting caught

[storm jungle]

Lmao ironically yeah

Crime pays as long as you are discreet

[green loom]

More like getting caught as the wrong person

Though ig that varies on how much influence you can wave around

[storm jungle]

Yeah you can get away with a lot depending on your position

[chilly creek]

"I have improved productivity by 5%"
"Good job"
"I did it by using an AI"
"Die, heretek"

[green loom]

People meme about inquisitors being able to do whatever but if you don't have the presentation/actual guns to back it up, you might just have an accident

[rose thorn]

Honestly I knows freeguilds needs the attention because god their models, but they probably should keep cities for the other armies still

[storm jungle]

Yeah a lot of people forget this

[rose thorn]

Species*

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors can do whatever they want AS LONG as thye got authority

[green loom]

I feel they will, but it'll coincide more with old world maybe

[green loom]

They need power projection with the authority

[near wasp]

Didnt cawl striaght up ask gilluman if he could make him emperor of mars

[green loom]

If you're a scrawny little gremlin with a laspistol, the Arbites you're asking to break the law will probably just shoot you

[storm jungle]

Yep

[green loom]

Cawl inferior did, which may or may not be an AI and also malfunctioning because Cawl proper is weirded out that it asked that

[plush mason]

well yeah because its the same thing as with star wars tech in a lot of ways, their only real progress is made when they manage to find a new STC just like how in star wars all the tech is just reversed engineered Raykatian tech

[green loom]

Or not weirded out more curious/surprised

[sleek wigeon]

Cawl Inferior is the funniest shit to me
blatantly an AI but he gets a pass because Cawl says it has a brain

[near wasp]

I dont think the call inferior is an ai. It is described as having multiple head in a float tank

[green loom]

I mean it might, you have sentient Kastellans roaming around who are basically AI but it's ok because they have gray matter mashed full of mechanic bitz

[rose thorn]

If they are cutting up all the old cities races then the dwarf god that what’s his name is MAKing then they are probably gonan inherent the old dwarves, that dark elf god gets the old dark elves, so on and so forth until all factions are in the clear

It would work smoothly probably

[sleek wigeon]

ooh that reminds me, I gotta get some kastellans once im done with the admech starter kit

[green loom]

Yess

[sleek wigeon]

amogus mecha

gimmie

[rose thorn]

And maybe they keep cities anyway for the shits of it lmao

[sleek wigeon]

speaking of, admech are a right pain to assemble

[green loom]

I think it wouldn't hurt to limit certain races to certain cities
Because imo Irondrake walls behind Phoenix guard walls looks kinda goofy

[signal bramble]

It’s true. On paper the inquisitor has unlimited authority.

But if he goes to a fortress monastery and starts yelling orders at the chapter master well… I don’t think the chapter master is going to appreciate that very much.

The inquisitor will probably fall out of an airlock on to some bolter shells.

[sleek wigeon]

the amount of times I end up pricking/cutting my fingers or getting glue everywhere trying to make skitarii

[green loom]

Sometimes the authors do make a funny inquisitor OC who is super terrible and scary and marines will obey them

Like in the grey knights XCOM ripoff

[sleek wigeon]

chaos gate

[green loom]

Lil hoe calls grey knights expendable and orders them around

[sleek wigeon]

I think my favorite OC has to be Faustinus from mechanicus

[signal bramble]

I still think Amberley Vail is the best written inquisitor and I’ll die on that hill.

[green loom]

Idk I've never read Cain

[sleek wigeon]

Faustinus is one of the rare few archmagos who doesnt completely scrub or isolate emotions
thus the dude actually cares about everything he's dealing with, skitarii included

love him for that

[green loom]

But that's at least a real thing you can do

Like Cawl in Great Work has to tweak his personality for the occasion

And Faustinius has emotional cores and whatever

[plush mason]

i mean, the grey knights are almost always questioning here in chaos gate lol

[green loom]

Yes but there should be less questioning more neck snapping/beheading

It's also not like she has to be that rude, it's literally their job to go and
KILL CHAOS

[plush mason]

nah because she is the one working to beat the plague

[green loom]

Ah well it's whatever anyway, she's dead and being taken away by the scurry Daemon by the end

[plush mason]

yeah

frankly my biggest problem with chaos gate was "why does the normal power armor not have the armor stat?"

[green loom]

Lel

[sleek wigeon]

ikr?

a lot of XCOM style games dont have armor values for your default armor

[plush mason]

which makes sense for most of them, when its grey knights

[green loom]

Mayhaps it's already accounted for in stats/gameplay since they're the default unit?

[plush mason]

nah, the ones in power armor have 0 armor hit points unless the power armor in question has it

[green loom]

[plush mason]

and even then most of the normal power armor will have only 1 to 3 points of armor iirc

[green loom]

Why are 40k games so absurdly hit and miss

[plush mason]

idk

[green loom]

And why are there so few guard story games
It's literally free cash reeeee

[chilly creek]

A bog standard human is not particularly exciting by comparison to other things

[green loom]

Yeah but they story is

Ig they do have to make book sales

[urban spire]

speaking of xcom style games and guard story games

if you like those two things, you should check out the 40k mod for openxcom

openxcom is a rebuild of the 1994 xcom in C++ so it runs decently on modern systems and can be modded way easier

and there's a fucking amazing 40k mod for it

total conversion

[rose thorn]

And maybe they keep cities anyway for the shits of it lmao

Why did that just send?

[rose thorn]

Oh fucking nice

[dense mortar]

Who needs power armor when your a named marine?

[arctic talon]

Chaos gate is funny since a cultist with a heavy stubber can just fucking obliterate a terminator

Which I would get if it was an auto cannon

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

But a heavy stubber isn’t that bad for a terminator lol

[plush mason]

i wonder if they will add the dreadknight at some point

[copper patrol]

[rose thorn]

Playing fallout nv and trying to resist the urge of making a white scars armu every time I meet the great khans

I might make a killteam of them

I was gonna start a white scars army when I heard about the box sets

But theirs is ass

[dense mortar]

I did a indepth assessment of the Inquisitions ability to keep critical information secret. it failed.

[celest dome]

Maybe you failed

[green loom]

Yeah, maybe you did

[storm jungle]

MK Ultra Moment

[timid ridge]

A squad of grey knights losing to a couple cultists is so dumb haha

[arctic talon]

Tbf the normal cultists aren’t dangerous it’s literally just the heavy stubber guys lol

They do more damage then plague marines with bolters

[timid ridge]

Lore wise, im pretty sure nothing short of plague marines is even a slight problem

But in the game, a squad of like 5 random stinky boys is a matchup

[celest dome]

The lore book often over build the SM's stats

[arctic talon]

Autoguns can’t usually pierce power armor

And the cultists in game are armed with literal metal pipes

A krak grenade in that game

Deals less damage then a heavy stubber lol

Fucks sake the heavy stubber deals more damage then a knights battle cannon

[celest dome]

Depend on the calibre

• Armour weapoints

Which are often explained as what the HP really are

[arctic talon]

Okay but that doesn’t change my point that they’re more dangerous then a battle cannon lol

In that game

It’s got some of the weirdest lore to gameplay scaling ever

But it’s fun

So idrc

It’s just really weird

How dangerous some things are

[crimson kayak]

Considering what the skaven started doing on aos yeah, pretty much

[arctic talon]

The imperium are def the skaven equivalent

[storm jungle]

That moment when a mining-laser can decapitate a custodian

[arctic talon]

I mean that makes sense lol

Mining lasers are meant to cut through massive amounts of rock and ore

[storm jungle]

yeah tell that to custodian fans

[arctic talon]

It’s gona slice right through armor like paper

Any custodes fan who thinks a mining laser can’t pierce armor is on copium

Lol

[copper patrol]

the custodian would simply dodge it

[arctic talon]

The mining lasers in 40k are literally based on las cannons

[copper patrol]

i am joking/shitposting

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah they can

But like

There’s a point to which that isn’t effective anymore

Which is a confined space

Which is also where genestealer cultists like fighting

[copper patrol]

I am just imitating the people that mega simp factions

[green loom]

Callback to Siege of Terra where a fist drops dead because an autogun shot blows through one of his lenses

[celest dome]

Imperial Fist ? Iron Fist ?

[green loom]

It's 30k at the Siege of Terra, guess

[celest dome]

Imperial ?

[green loom]

Yeah, I don't think Iron Fists existed back then

[celest dome]

What ? Iron Fist are a Legion

With Ferrus Manus

[copper patrol]

iron hands

not fists

[celest dome]

Wait, who are the iron Fist then

[copper patrol]

no clue

[crimson kayak]

there's imperial fist and iron hands

oh no wait

iron fists do exist

they are a minor iron hands successor

[arctic talon]

Tbf any weapons that go through the lens usually == dead marine

[crimson kayak]

i mean, it's literally the least armoured part of the armour

[green loom]

Lore issue

[lime basalt]

I'm not sure if this is the best chat for this, but I'm trying to come up with some lore-friendly jokes for my Ogryn to tell on missions (I'm a bit sad they keep forgetting them). So far, most of the jokes I've found have been about Warhammer, and not within Warhammer. And that's without taking into account the kind of jokes an Ogryn would find funny. I imagine they'd have to be 100% Imperium Approved, probably about killing heretics or how great the Emperor is, and probably short. I've only figured out a couple so far and I'm not sure if they're that great. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

[hallow saddle]

Imperial Fists

[lime basalt]

I heard someone gets stabbed in the Torrent every minute. They must be tough, like Ogryn! Would like to meet them.

I know joke! Where did Heretic go after getting lost in mind field? Everywhere!

[storm jungle]

Lmao that minefield one is good

[lime basalt]

I keep that one in pocket then

[dense mortar]

Does the Imperium not have a version of Child Protective Services? These Space Wolves. . . making children fight in the wilderness and get eaten by Trolls to weed out the weak warriors. I am disgusted

[arctic talon]

No

Children are soldiers

"Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops." (this is from the Imperial guard codex)

[dense mortar]

I will not stand idly by while this type of stuff happens

[arctic talon]

I mean

the imperium is objectively evil

by modern standards

[dense mortar]

Im going to create a pacifist army for the table top, that does not engage in combat

A force needed in this universe.

A force for true good

[arctic talon]

Thats a good joke

this is the wrong setting if you want a force for true good

that doesn't get destroyed or is in the end hopeless

[dense mortar]

This is the way

[arctic talon]

you know the mandalorians practiced genocide right

[arctic talon]

You should probably find a better quote, one not from a culture of people that enjoy wiping out civilian population centers, nuking polar ice caps and glassing planets

There's a reason why their homeworld has been glassed twice by 2 separate governments

first by the Jedi with help by the republic, and then the empire

[dense mortar]

The way, this is?

[arctic talon]

They also committed genocide

there's a reason why the Sith race no longer exists lol

Then again the Jedi didn't kill most of their population

they just killed what was left of it

[open pumice]

To be fair, the sith are the starwars equivalent of the Nazis, like down to even the iconography

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah

not saying it was bad they killed sith

[open pumice]

I wouldn't loose sleep over siding with the jedi on that one

[arctic talon]

but it was still genocide even if they didn't realize it

at the time lmao

[open pumice]

not really genocidal TBH

[arctic talon]

Ehhhhhh

They killed civillians

[open pumice]

it's stressing the use of that term quite a bit

[arctic talon]

Its not like every single person of the Sith species

was a sith

But it was a large majority of them

[open pumice]

ah

you mean that incident

[arctic talon]

Yeah

but meh

they were pretty justified overall

compared to the mandalorians nuking 27 different population centers because the republic dared use them as defensible positions

[open pumice]

From what I can tell going back thrut he wikis they didn't dunk on the species

just the sith religious cult

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I forgor

but that was a vast majority of the species

which like eh

[open pumice]

I mean

shouldn't have commit genocide for the fun of it tbh

[arctic talon]

tbf they straight up didn't know

it was most of the species

[open pumice]

But i think calling it genocide is stretching the term a bit

much in the same way saying persecuting and executing all nazis would hardly be considered genocide

[arctic talon]

yeah

[open pumice]

but yes

the mandalorians

unequivically a force for evil

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[open pumice]

but

they look cool

so their warcrimes are excused

[arctic talon]

my moral compass leaving my body the moment they have cool armor

[open pumice]

this is litteraly me when I collect blood angels or custodes

You mean to tell me this warcrime machine has nipples sculpted into his armor? two please!

[arctic talon]

Mandalore the great with his new city wipeoutinator

(it is 25 nukes glued together)

The Mandalorians are very very evil

their history is bloody as hell

and they have a reputation of being terrorists, war mongers and tyrants

on the otherhand they're very accepting of vassals and subjects if you decide to surrender

they'll just wipe out your culture in the process and replace it with their own

[celest dome]

The Warhammer way of excusing War Crimes

[open pumice]

Look if GW didn't want me to excuse the blood angels warcrimes thwy shouldn't have made sanguinius so damn hot

[arctic talon]

Cool hat excuses all massacres by chaos forces in fantasy

[open pumice]

Look

if GW didn't want me to excuse the rampant slaver and genocide of the chaos dworfs, they woldn't have made their hats so damn tall

[arctic talon]

my favorite part

[celest dome]

Meh, I prefer the normal Dwarfs

[arctic talon]

is that Chaos Dwarves in TWW3

have their slavery in game

represented by a resource called Labour lmao

[celest dome]

When there are already races that have Slave mechanics

[arctic talon]

yeah I don't get it lol

should have just called it expendable slaves

or some shit lol

[celest dome]

I think it might be because it's part of a Dlc, so they don't want to use strong words.
But in lore I would say it's because the CDwarf don't even count the Labourers as living things

[arctic talon]

true

there's rumors for chaos dwarves for AOS soon

so maybe GW wants to use that wording for some lore reason idfk

[celest dome]

Hasn't there been that rumour for ages ?

[arctic talon]

yeah

lmao

[celest dome]

Chaos Dwarf would be in Old World, so maybe they want to introduce them at both time

[green loom]

Wait till you hear of the BA trials

[arctic talon]

its more so that the AoS version of factions still have parts of their fantasy selves

especially for chaos

[celest dome]

Zerokewl act like someone from Star Trek that by error arrived in 40k

[green loom]

I'm pretty sure it's ironic

But

[arctic talon]

ngl

[celest dome]

Well even for the Order Faction we might see some reuse/overlap for the faction that make sense to have it

[green loom]

I've known a lady who was hardcore into being pacifist xenophile imperium

[arctic talon]

I hope the TWW unit designs

are used for Old World

mostly since they're objectively better looking 9 times out of 10

[green loom]

That's probably why it's not called slavery

[celest dome]

We do know that Cathay and Kislev are going to follow in the broad lines the TWW games

[open pumice]

When modern graphics that aren't limited by modeling necessities are better than outdated models

[green loom]

Old World designers gave them a hand, says so in one of the Kislev articles in game iirc

[open pumice]

(gw fans can't udnerstand this)

[celest dome]

You can have multiple races with similarly named mechanics

[arctic talon]

I am including the final wave of fantasy minis

which were designed in CAD

before they blew up the setting

[open pumice]

that

doesn't change the point

[green loom]

Plus it's also kinda different, DE are interested in the slaves themselves, CD just need a workforce

[open pumice]

there are still actualy physical limitations to how you can make a model

[green loom]

Idk man it's not a good look complaining about muh slavery

[open pumice]

cad doesn't magically remove the laws of physics

it just makes it easier to ignore them and fuck up later on

[green loom]

Early AoS models were also garbo

[open pumice]

i'm not disagreeing that the later models look kinda mediocre

[arctic talon]

Early AOS models were just stormcast and chaos warriors lol

[green loom]

Yes

[arctic talon]

The chaos warriors were fine

[celest dome]

And the Chaos Warrior weren't bad

[arctic talon]

Stormcast were just boring

[open pumice]

but i'd much rather they didn't just copy and paste the designs for TWWH

[celest dome]

Still love them

[arctic talon]

but they made the stormcast look at lot better

in their later waves imo

[green loom]

Stormcast were weird
But every design has improved by a LOT

[open pumice]

I want to see them make interesting units that are unique and have genuine effort put intot hem

because if GW's treatment of HH is anything to go by

[celest dome]

Stormcast I feel are getting much less hate since a few year now

[open pumice]

we aren't getting that

[open pumice]

yeah because they stopepd treatingthem like the perfect good guy faction and made them interesting

[green loom]

They got hate for being fantasy marines
Which they are
But also kind of aren't?
The shitty base scheme doesn't help

[arctic talon]

its almost like having an actual good design instead of Order Chaos warriors

helps

[open pumice]

they are

they just

are

[green loom]

In the words of HeyWoah
"Use anything but the base scheme and suddenly they look cool"

[open pumice]

i'm surprised there isn't a box set for the 800 different ways you can play stormcast

oh wait

[celest dome]

The thing with making thing that are interesting is explaining why it's not used in the later setting
But in Fantasy/End Time there is less magic, so for example the Dwarf might loose some of their mechanical technology but gain some Runes back

[green loom]

Oh I mean yeah they basically prototyped the Primaris nightmare of every damn weapon options being its own box

[open pumice]

No i want the models to look interesting

the units will likely remain the same

[arctic talon]

this is prolly my favorite stormcast mini

[open pumice]

i want the models to have effort put behind them

[green loom]

I really like Praetors

[celest dome]

I somewhat dislike the dragon type

[open pumice]

not jsut that but thye have like 4 starter boxes for just different ways to play stormcast

[arctic talon]

yeah the base stormcast color scheme is

really really boring

[celest dome]

Well for a moment they treated the SC as the SM faction so they got a lot of stuff.
Now it's more spread out

[arctic talon]

but its easy to paint

which is why GW pushes it

endlessly

just slather on metalics and

a bit of detail with blue

[green loom]

Ironically Stormcast are very much not beginner friendly ttop wise

[arctic talon]

That applies to like

a lot of armies that gw has as flagship armies lol

[open pumice]

ever army ever?

[arctic talon]

nah

[open pumice]

the problem with a flagship army

[arctic talon]

Khorne armies are simple as hell in 40k

[green loom]

Because you get like 3 units?

[open pumice]

is they have to be interesting enough to play for a long time

[open pumice]

excuse you, its 4

[green loom]

kek

[arctic talon]

No because you only care about having your units smash their skull in

[green loom]

I still love how

[celest dome]

I remember Dwarf being quite easy to play in Fantasy

[green loom]

The WE codex listed that one warband that likes ranged

And you can't take any ranged units

[arctic talon]

tbf

you can

they're just mostly vehicles lol

or Daemon engines

[green loom]

I mean more legionnaires and stuff

[arctic talon]

ah

the new world eaters codex

def feels like the first half

of the army

imo

[open pumice]

the dawi were never really the flagship army for fantasy tho

that was usually the empire

even tho ulthuan was def. gw's favorite

[arctic talon]

inb4 GW pushes the nightmare that is Cities of Sigmar as the flagship faction

a new player will die of a stroke reading their rules

[green loom]

God no

[open pumice]

Yeah

the

cities of sigmar rules were what made me sell my fantasy armies

[green loom]

Though if it means more cities models I'm all for it

[arctic talon]

the blunt force trauma tome

Tbf

the army is really fun

once you learn the god forsaken thing

[open pumice]

no

its not

[arctic talon]

It is

[open pumice]

I do not enjoy AOS

[arctic talon]

I mean thats your opinion

[open pumice]

ye

[arctic talon]

ye

[open pumice]

ye

[arctic talon]

society

[open pumice]

but yeah I can't stand AoS

[green loom]

I'm told that the game is basically unplayable below 2k pts

[open pumice]

for so many reasons

[celest dome]

AoS isn't a bad setting tbh

[open pumice]

correct

[open pumice]

incorrect

get 40 years of lore

[green loom]

Not that I'll ever play, I just want to paint da figurines

[open pumice]

right fucking now

[green loom]

It is a nice setting tho

[arctic talon]

AoS is playable at 500 but for it to be balanced 1k minimum

40k is "balanced" at 500

but 2k is the best

[open pumice]

the game is unplyable below 2k points because the game is super focused on being herohammer and one player taking their big massive shmeeety 800+ point model and slapping cocks with their opponens big massive shmeety 800+ point model

but if you roll quadruple 6s and the sun shines right you isntnatly kill their models

which effectively win you the game

[arctic talon]

AoS hasn't been hero hammer for a while tho

or rather

the armies updated to 3.0 aren't

[green loom]

[open pumice]

sylvaneth

nighthaunt

or any death faction

warriors of chaos

[green loom]

AoS art direction battered 40k pretty hard until recently
It's still better just that 40k got some nice stuff

[open pumice]

also the amount of

"nuh uh" that the rules are is pain

"I counter that"
"nuh uh, this models says you can't counter my spells"

so why bother having a fucking counter mechanic

if every model stopes your opponent form countering yur spells

[arctic talon]

tzeentch moment

[open pumice]

not even tzeench

this is a tucking lumineth moment

or death moment

or any major caster moment

wow this is such ana amazing mechanic i sure do hope i'll get to counter play these game changing spells

nope

i'm playing lumineth

i get everything at magic charge 12 and you can't counter shit

(I do not like AoS)

AoS feels, to me, alot liek your playing at your opponent

and not that your playing a game with your opponent

its the mtg equialent of two players bringing mono red agro decks

[green loom]

At least cities are mega epic gaming lore

[open pumice]

nobody is responding to shit

your just playing your deck at eachother until someone counts to 20 first

[arctic talon]

Burn aggro

my beloved

[open pumice]

oh I love the playstyle

but the burn mirror matchup is incredibly booring

[arctic talon]

oh not saying it isn't lol

its funny how much of a

[green loom]

Hammerhal is such badass lore

[arctic talon]

do addition

the matchup

[open pumice]

who can count to 20 first

thats what AoS feels like to me

just

playing at eachother instead of with eachother

Also the objective sizes are so damn large it's actually genuinely difficult for most armies not to be on them

[celest dome]

TW AoS in like 10 year would be awesome
Just need to find how the map would work

[green loom]

It'd probably evolve from the realms of chaos thing you had in 3

Just with strategic realm gates

[celest dome]

Yeah but i want it to be more expanded

Like have a map that hold the 8 Mortal realms, separate from each other, but there being Realmgates at a lot of places that let you travel to the Aetheric Void, either to the Allpoint/Eightpoint or to specific places

[urban spire]

no offense to AoS enjoyers but i really hope we never get TW AoS

[celest dome]

Why so ?

[urban spire]

because it would be to the exclusion of literally anything else they could make a TW out of

[celest dome]

What ? I don't understand that point ?

CA making a TW AoS in the future wouldn't mean that no other TW can go out during its life cycle or after

[urban spire]

well, i'm not willing to die on this hill

as long as they make a mechanically good fantasy total war i won't grumble much

[celest dome]

Like I would prefer to have a TW Grand Mythology but still; an AoS TW could be great

[urban spire]

i don't like how dwarfs have been done in AoS

[green loom]

I would love a Med 3

[celest dome]

Apart from the Fyreslayer, i quite like the AoS Dwarf

[green loom]

Gimme them high quality knights

[urban spire]

they took dwarfs to two extremes, none of which appeal to me

[celest dome]

Tbh I don't really care about Historical TW nowadays, if I want to have some history I read books

[green loom]

Imagine actually distinct European factions

[urban spire]

i don't have to imagine that, i live in europe

[celest dome]

He meant as in a TW game

[urban spire]

it's a joke

i'm not cringe you're cringe

[celest dome]

As most TW game have been quite samey in their factions

[green loom]

HD lamellar, Black Army, proper lineups instead of the same thing with different colours

MAybe with a core of like generic levy/man at arms goons

[urban spire]

thing is, the best fictionalized version of fantasy europe is probably warhammer

[green loom]

Yeah but Warhammer is just HRE and British France

[celest dome]

But still, they have different teams, and when the Fantasy team is finished with Warhammer 3 I'd expect them to either pick up LotR (Though I think a Saga type of game would work wonder with it) or Grand Mythos, and then maybe go to AoS
While Historical does it's stuff

[urban spire]

and the norsca

[green loom]

And Kislev ig now

[urban spire]

them too

just them is more variety than most TW games no?

[green loom]

I think they could introduce some nice variety now

[celest dome]

The best quality or the one that has the most stuff written about
Cause there are plenty of Europe inspired fantasy settings, it's just that Warhammer exist since ages now

[urban spire]

and like without the fantasy element you don't get monstrous infantry, spells, flying units, steam tanks etc

[green loom]

Oh I mean don't get me wrong, Empire 4 lyfe

[urban spire]

the most fleshed out for sure

[green loom]

It's a very enjoyable army and it looks great

[urban spire]

but also in spite of the fantasy elements, warhammer feels very grounded

[celest dome]

It's technically not High Fantasy iirc

[green loom]

I wouldn't say so, maybe the empire

But if you stick to just Empire it's very fkn cool
Rest have a bunch of random fantastical things

[urban spire]

well okay sure, i'm biased, i live basically where the majority of the plot happens

places like lustria and cathay get pretty wild

[celest dome]

I live in a Dwarf controlled area
So that's fun

[green loom]

Bretonnia being basically just Monthy Python and the Holy Grail is kind of odd

But in a fun kind of way

[urban spire]

the fucked up thing about that movie is that when it came out, it was by far one of the most realistic depictions of the time period in cinema

[green loom]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lok5o47ddo

Bretonnia be like

[celest dome]

Fetchez la vache !
(Though as someone who speak French natively, it sound way worse)

[urban spire]

ah, northern england

[celest dome]

Nope

[urban spire]

ok that's maybe hyperbole, but it was one of the better ones

[urban spire]

yeah it's a joke about dwarfs being northern

[green loom]

I thought they were Scottish

[celest dome]

And the Warhammer equivalent of England is populated by Pointy eared gits

[green loom]

Also I'm going to start a dwarf campaign in 2 now

[urban spire]

nah, they're northern english

albion in warhammer hasn't got elves on it much

[celest dome]

Depend of the peoples

[urban spire]

it's got a bunch of druids and it always rains

[celest dome]

Ulthuan is the British Empire faction

[green loom]

No it isn't, it's either the French if you look at culture or a big lizard/Belakor if you look at geography

[urban spire]

geographically albion is the british isles

[celest dome]

Albion is ancient Britain/Celt (Celt are also the Wood Elf

[green loom]

Yeah and they must be wiped out

Burn their Forest to feed endless industry

(I really want to play chaos dwarfs)

[urban spire]

chorf player detected

[celest dome]

French are Bretonnia, and the High Elf are based on the British Empire, that was confirmed iirc, with the Dark Elf being America/USA

[urban spire]

rofl

[green loom]

That's a leap in logic if anything

High Elves always struck me as vaguely Greek tbh

[urban spire]

i honestly don't see much of any real culture in high and dark elves

[celest dome]

Their aesthetic was in part based on Atlantis

[green loom]

What like, the movie?

[celest dome]

Like Land in the sea, which is bound to sink or float

[green loom]

That would explain the dark elves....

[crimson kayak]

could also work following the De Mundo where it's said the people of albion and Ierne moved to the greater britannic islands, considering on wh albion there once allegedly lived a bunch of the order races together.

[crimson kayak]

(yes i know it's grossly inaccurate historically speaking, but i mean, it was written by ancient greeks so they probably never got there first place)

[storm jungle]

oof Slenderman let himself go

[celest dome]

Would Slenderman be a Tzeentchian Daemon or a Slaaneshi one ?

[distant osprey]

Tzeentch, nobody invests into tentacles more heavily than tzeentch

Also with the whole “enigma” and “unknown machinations” that slender man has

[urban spire]

slenderman would be unaligned

fence sitter

me meeting slenderman alone in the woods at night: "either say something fascist, say something communist, or fuck off!"

[versed ledge]

I wonder why we never see nurglings or plaguebearers

Aren't the little bastard nurglings easy to kill?

[shadow plover]

A plaguebearer's skull can be spotted in one or two places

[green loom]

Might be a pain to implement

[shadow plover]

The corruption might not be that far advanced to warrant massive demonic presence (yet)

[versed ledge]

Make it a special event like immaterium breaching reality

[crimson kayak]

remember dogs hitboxes? now make it 5 times smaller and multiply it by a thousand

[versed ledge]

We have daemonhost and giant Nurgle slugs

[versed ledge]

Sounds fun, zealot flamers can fix that

[shadow plover]

Yeah we do but having hordes of plague bearers is still a bit much probably

[crimson kayak]

occasional daemonhosts and beasts, remember that gameplay/=lore

[celest dome]

Plaguebearer have been teased about already

[crimson kayak]

also yeah, bearers are close to confirmed basically if they want to escalate enemies

[celest dome]

Plaguebearer should be Elites, like the Ogryns, not really horde materials

[versed ledge]

In that case we should be thankful, else it's a insta death every time

[crimson kayak]

also considering the daemon growth are mostly on machine's imo glitchlings would be more appropriate

[versed ledge]

Agreed

[queen laurel]

Let's make this fun, how about we bring this bastard as well

[celest dome]

There is as much if not more corrupted biomatter than there is machinery

[crimson kayak]

isn't that a chaos spawn?

[celest dome]

What the f is that even supposed to be

[queen laurel]

Prisoner of the emerald cave

Just read the lore on the bastard trust me

[green loom]

Looks like my roommate

[versed ledge]

Is that nikocado?

[gloomy citrus]

How hard would it be to kill a Death Guard?

[versed ledge]

Think space marine, but undead...yeah it's hard

[crimson kayak]

so, take a space marine, then make that marine before the fall already resilient as fuck, then make em fall and stop feeling pain, after years of following their bodies are basically a tank of flesh and power armour that doesn't feel shit.

[versed ledge]

Khorne and Nurgle anything don't care much for suppression or indirect fire

Now the question is how does one kill said marine

[crimson kayak]

hit it

a lot

[gloomy citrus]

Fire.

[copper patrol]

rip it apart

[crimson kayak]

and if it's death guard

[copper patrol]

ogryns can do that

[crimson kayak]

generally do the opposite of this

[copper patrol]

might not survive afterward

but they can

[queen laurel]

Firepower, a fuck ton of fire power

[versed ledge]

Heavy bolters or...

[crimson kayak]

everything you got

[queen laurel]

I don't care what you shoot it with as long as you f****** shoot it

So everything you f****** got

[gloomy citrus]

Darktide Chaos Marines boss fights:

• Plague Marine (Nurgle).
• Berserker (Khorne).
• Sorcerer (Tzeentch).
• Noise Marine (Slaanesh).

[versed ledge]

Provided they aren't fast...I hope

[copper patrol]

they are pretty slow

[queen laurel]

Plague marines are the highest chance

[copper patrol]

though the chance is still like

.1

[versed ledge]

It will be mostly Nurgle oriented.

[copper patrol]

since they said no marines

[queen laurel]

Because well a khorne berserker is to f****** fast and dangerous to even fight

The sorcerer i don't even have to explain

[crimson kayak]

yeah but remember they got guns too, and their guns are both sick and sick of your healthy shit you been doing in the local sub-sector

[queen laurel]

And the slannesh

I do not want to know

[versed ledge]

Khorne berserker means just use the lasgun on yourself

[crimson kayak]

slaneesh would be basically khorne, but elegant

[gloomy citrus]

It's not Sigvald.

[queen laurel]

Yes, there are literally no rejects that have the combat prowess to match a khorne berzerker

[versed ledge]

And more fun, Slaanesh would probably do NSFW stuff

[queen laurel]

That's like putting a toddler against a world boxing champion

[copper patrol]

the salacious scion of slaanesh

[crimson kayak]

sorcerer means daemonhost x200

[celest dome]

Dreg Sorcerer Lord would be quite fine

They don't have a hard set power level

[crimson kayak]

noise marine means the whole soundscape of the arena hurts you

[copper patrol]

not more poop tornadoes

[versed ledge]

Don't forget instant range death which will turn the game to a bullet hell game

[gloomy citrus]

They're Thousand Sons.

[crimson kayak]

oh i was speaking marine as that was his idea+

[copper patrol]

no?

a dreg sorcerer lord

not a sm sorcerer lord

just a dude

[crimson kayak]

psyker, but bad

[celest dome]

Not all Sorcerer are TS nor are they all SM

[crimson kayak]

the fatass that calls storms on vermintide basically

[copper patrol]

i'd be down to fight a 40ked version of this

[gloomy citrus]

Tzeentch mains sorcerers.

[crimson kayak]

mains doesnt mean exclusive

[copper patrol]

all execpt khorne have sorcerer lords

[crimson kayak]

technically khorne too with the blood pact? they had blood mages or something

[gloomy citrus]

Fulgrim's no sorcerer.

[queen laurel]

Imagine you're fighting an Ork warboss and then he does this

[copper patrol]

just becuase they are a nerd doesn't mean they aren't horny/depressed

[celest dome]

I want it to work in a similar way to the Scab Lord, but with:
Melee-> Scythe or Balesword
Ranged->Sorcery spell
Defense-> Nurglite Bloom that need to be destroyed on the map that give him damage resist

[copper patrol]

they aren't lords tho

generally

but yes

[celest dome]

But they aren't the Lord

[celest dome]

And ? What about it ?

[crimson kayak]

oh yeah forgot about lord

then yeah, makes sense

[copper patrol]

we need more blood pact models

[gloomy citrus]

He is a prime example of a Slaanesh follower.

A degenerate.

[crimson kayak]

btw i just noticed

in the opening cinematic we see a guy with the same helmet of the tutorial traitor guard kneeling to a dreg shotgunner

[copper patrol]

yeah

shows who the superior enemy is

i'd reckon the shotgunners have a higher kill count then the assassination bosses

[crimson kayak]

i mean, it's not like the sixth even sent that many men for this job

considering that cross-referencing details in the scab armour and vox transmissions all we see are part of the 4th brigade

also the imperial edition set portait technically confirms the sets we get are technically those of mortis operatives.

[celest dome]

Doesn't mean that Slaanesh doesn't have Sorcerer

[crimson kayak]

now you tell me one single chaos cultist who isn't in some way or another a degenerate

[copper patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813175730518753300/1071586471355621417/BDCE20E5-FF5B-4798-8D00-EA81C1B1C446.gif

[crimson kayak]

like, bile can be considered the most sane as he managed to actually reject an avatar of slaneesh and tell it "fuck off you don't exist"

[copper patrol]

he is still super fucken degen

[crimson kayak]

that's the point

when the guy wearing human skin aprons is the one making the most sense in your factions, you should know that something must be wrong

[gloomy citrus]

Night Lords did that kind of shit all the time, even before they went traitor.

[crimson kayak]

yeah but those things are their whole thing

also see how they ended up after doing so even before going traitor

[gloomy citrus]

They did it for a reason: to scare the shit out of people who were against the Imperium.

[copper patrol]

also becuase they are fucked in the head

[gloomy citrus]

I guess that seeing visions of horrible futures would fuck up anyone.

[crimson kayak]

and also maybe proceeding to self-fulfill those futures

[storm jungle]

Yeah Konrad got entirely what was coming to him

that and most people he went to for help were bad so he just didnt wanna try any other alternative

Like imagine Dorn trying to counsel you on a midlife crisis

[gloomy citrus]

He allowed that assassin to kill him.

[storm jungle]

I have read the lore.

either way, hes a piece of shit so yeah

[gloomy citrus]

Not as bad as Fulgrim or Lorgar.

[storm jungle]

He was just as bad honestly

[celest dome]

Or Magnus

[copper patrol]

he's pretty fucking bad

[storm jungle]

^

They are all pretty much in the same category

Curze literally flays a woman alive because she wanted to commit suicide. Hes just a wild animal.

[copper patrol]

lorgar and fulgrim have just not been dead for longer

so had more time to be evil

pre heresy they wheren't like

skinning people

generally

[celest dome]

tbh the only Primarch that didn't deserved all they got were Angron and Mortarion

[copper patrol]

and post heresy they are like

[gloomy citrus]

Morty was a salty fuck.

[copper patrol]

Saturday cartoon villains now

"how do we make it clear that these are the bad guys"

"I know, lets make them cartoonishly evil"

[lilac wave]

Yeah, Mortarion is a punk ass. Maybe the biggest punk ass of all primarchs.

[crimson kayak]

meanwhile fulgrim literally doing nothing

[gloomy citrus]

Except for getting a nuke to his face and wounding Rowboat.

[lilac wave]

Dude continues to screech about magic while being a giant, gross magical moth man.

[gloomy citrus]

And he became like his adoptive father who he despised.