40k-lore-chat

[dense mortar]

Whoa whoa whoa whoa. We are just not gonna talk about Ragnar leading his wolf pack into a battle against a ***HORDE ***of Daemons, then luring one into a one on one fight while critically wounded. . . and beating it

?

https://tenor.com/view/i-aint-got-time-to-bleed-no-time-bleed-predator-youre-hit-gif-11518877

[crisp heath]

Lmao people are analyzing the card so deeply that they're pointing out it even has the same (incorrect) grip on it's sword that The Lion does in his HH model

[dusk patrol]

THAT COULD BE ANYONE THOUGH

Idk why people are so insistent it’s not gonna be the Lion, I agreed it’s not technically confirmed but like

I mean look at that ffs

[crisp heath]

idk he's pretty green... using a melee weapon... ork?

[celest dome]

Green sword ?

That's not the Lion

That's the Green Knight

FOR BRETONNIA

[near wasp]

Hes an offbrand grey knight

[celest dome]

For ZE LADY

[uneven temple]

Fr fr no cap is russ with an old school Thor helmet you heard of here first fam

[crisp heath]

Russ is the type of guy to call himself spiritual but not religious

[dense mortar]

Russ is a pretty good dude, on the Grim Dark morality scale

which is a low bar

Do Orks go harder than Chaos?

[gloomy citrus]

Define "harder."

[dense mortar]

Lets put it this way Padre. If a 1000 Orks and a 1000 chaos marines lined up on a field of battle, who you placing your money on?

[gloomy citrus]

Chaos Marines.

Though, that depends on the legion.

If it's the Death Guard, Iron Warriors or the Black Legion, marines for sure.

[dense mortar]

Run of the mill chaos marines?

[gloomy citrus]

World Eaters, 50/50.

Emperor's Children, they'll die before the battle actually begins.

Due to all the toxins in their veins.

[gloomy citrus]

There is no such thing as a run of the mill chaos marine.

There are 5 types of Chaos Marines:

• Undivided marines.
• Plague Marines.
• Slaanesh Marines.
• Berserker Marines.
• Tzeentch Marines.

[dense mortar]

Lets put a better point on this. Blood Axes or Evil Suns tribes

Versus Death Guard

[gloomy citrus]

Death Guard stomps.

They stomp most enemies.

[dense mortar]

But Orks, quite literally, are born for combat

unlike any other race

[gloomy citrus]

They're almost un-killable.

[astral whale]

Six. Malal Marines.

[gloomy citrus]

There is no such thing as Malal.

Even if there is, what Chaos Marines worship him?

The Night Lords?

[dense mortar]

I am challenging your assertion

that Chaos marines stom Orks

Orks are basically like the incredible hulk. The more aggressive and angrier they get, the stronger they get

[gloomy citrus]

They are simmilar to the World Eaters in that cathegory.

But unlike the Orks, most World Eaters are fucking maniacs.

[dense mortar]

Im putting my imperial creds on Orks

[gloomy citrus]

I'm placing my bet on the Chaos Marines.

Except for the Emperor's Children.

Mostly.

The only Emperor's Children I would bet on are the Noise Marines.

Man, imagine that.

Noise Marines against an ork band.

[crisp heath]

The Khan sprang towards the centre of the room. ‘Lord Regent,’ he urged, holding out his open hands. ‘You must release him. Please. He speaks from grief, and the shame we all share.’

The air between them thrummed with invisible energy. Malcador could still see that hateful, defiant pride shining through, in Horus’ palsied gaze. ‘You are not ready for the future you crave,’ he hissed. ‘None of you are.’

He forced Horus down onto his knees.

‘Mal…’ the stricken primarch choked. ‘M-Mal… al…’

The Sigillite’s face twisted into a vengeful rictus. He felt the old, familiar rage beginning to stir, deep in his undying soul.

‘Enough. You will be silent, or I will unmake you, here and now.’ ```

Probably more of an easter egg than blatant confirmation Horus knows who Malal is, but still a fun little excerpt

[astral whale]

Sons of Malal

[gloomy citrus]

For some reason, I don't know how Malcador managed to best a Primarch like Horus.

[celest dome]

They are called Son of Malice, not Malal

"Malal" is never gonnaget put back, same reason Drachenfels as a character (Not the place) also won't come back

[dense mortar]

I mean, our lord Emperor trained him himself

[copper patrol]

orks are normally a numbers advantage

so 1k of both is generally an uneven fight

[gloomy citrus]

Didn't he train Horus aswell?

He was found pretty early.

The only Primarch that was found earlier (or wasn't lost at all) was Omegon (or maybe Alpharius).

[dense mortar]

Im old school. A genetically engineered facsimile is never going to equal the Luke Skywalkers of the world.

Malcador was a Luke Skywalker. Well, minus the righteous moral guiding principles and compassion.

[open pumice]

Your like, half correct

Horus isnt psychic, as from what we know about the "rules" of psychic powers, not being a psyker makes it incredibly hard to protect against psychic shenanigans

Had this interaction gone down with say, Magnus, it would have looked alot more like that duel between Harry Potter and Voldemort

[copper patrol]

I thought all primarchs where to some degree psykers

[odd palm]

They are, but to what extent and how it manifests varies

[chilly creek]

"You call me evil, but I seek only the greater good. It is merely a shame that our definitions don't quite match"
stab

[left silo]

Necrons best

[versed ledge]

Didn't the old ones and Aelderi won that conflict?

[astral whale]

I mean. For a long time we thought the Kronus expanse wouldn't come back but yet it is.

[versed ledge]

So what's the sicatrix maleudictum?

[signal bramble]

When cadia fell it destroyed a network of pylons created by the necrons to keep the warp in check. This caused a massive rift that split the imperium in to called the Cicatrix Maledictum.

It is essentially a massive warp rift that is leaking warp juice in to the galaxy at an unprecedented level.

[versed ledge]

So the warp is breaking the galaxy, and eventually everything is royally fucked

[signal bramble]

Something like that yeah.

[crisp heath]

Well it is actually receding, but it's split the Imperium in half which is the driving force of a lot of ongoing plots

Buffed and/or drove insane pretty much all the psykers, and dragons are real now

[versed ledge]

Guess Sgt Morrow wasn't joking about the imperium being split into two, the bad half, and the worst half

[signal bramble]

Source?

Because as far as we know it’s as strong as ever.

Cawl is working on getting rid of it though.

[crisp heath]

Oh, thanks for pointing that out, I did a search for "receding" and I was remembering a passage about the psychic awakening, the rift itself is expanding but it's not pumping out as much raw warp stuff anymore eg the awakening slowed down

and it looks like that particular bit of info is pulled from the 9e core rulebook, which I don't own (or have "borrowed") so I can't pull the passage for you

[torpid narwhal]

Sisters of battle are some crazy mother fuckers

Never knew they were so bonkers

[celest dome]

Thr Kronus expanse wasn't talked about anymore but they hadn't lost the right to it. For Malal and Drachenfels they have lost the legal right for it

[dense mortar]

What comes to mind when I say the name Sergeant Rafen?

[storm jungle]

googles

[dense mortar]

This man, without powers or power armor, fought a greater daemon

[storm jungle]

Hes a named space marine

of course he has

[dense mortar]

and lived

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

https://tenor.com/view/clone-clones-buzz-lightyear-toy-story-gif-21609842

A lot of Marines have done that too

[dense mortar]

Without the aid of support or powers?

[storm jungle]

Yes

lmao

[dense mortar]

lies

[storm jungle]

Its literally a running joke

[dense mortar]

example me

[storm jungle]

oh boy

ill be back

[dense mortar]

just one

[storm jungle]

Uriel Ventris killing a C'tan shard of the Nightbringer, whos like a Greater Daemon on crack

[dense mortar]

Pfft

So Daemons are treacherously deadly beings of the warp. But a comically large amount of space marines just YOLO them one on one?

[storm jungle]

Yes, thats how the setting works

Anyone can kill anyone at the behest of the author

like how Fulgrim can somehow choke a statue made of magma

[dense mortar]

They dont have a codex or rubric they have to keep to?

[outer wave]

40k runs off of "Playground rule of cool" rules

[storm jungle]

^

"My daemon is strong"

"YEAH WELL, MY MARINE HAS A SUPER SPECIAL SWORD"

[dense mortar]

This is unacceptable. It steals the suspense of facing a daemon for future encounters

Im going to write someoen about it

[outer wave]

It's ditto with the Shards of Khaine and Hive Tyrants

Think that's what the latter is called

[dense mortar]

They should be writing this encounters as 99% death rates in one on one combat

with 1% winning

[storm jungle]

Basically rewinding back

[dense mortar]

Is there no oversight ?

[storm jungle]

"Named space marine kills big monster" is a lore thing that has become a meme

since it happens that many times

[outer wave]

There probably is some oversight

[copper patrol]

it happens

constantly

[outer wave]

Since you know, cool space marine must be cool and so forth

But yeah it does take the sense out of the setting not like it made much sense in the beginning

[dense mortar]

So its the Neo affect? The first matrix, everyone is terrified of Agents. Running for their lives. Absolutely HOPELESS encounters. Matrix 2 comes along, and these people are fighting them on top of semi truckswith no issues

[storm jungle]

Entirely correct

tho Neo is basically Matrix's Big E equilavent

so theres some overlap

[dense mortar]

I sure am disappointed in GW this day

And all days that come after

[copper patrol]

GW is constantly disapointing people

[dense mortar]

Especially now that I am going back to chapter one of the Space Wolves omnibus, and a Sea Daemon attacks a ship of fenrisian, and this dude just yeets the sea daemon with a penant he is wearing.

[outer wave]

Tbf you gotta give your protags some wins, and if we did have the Greater daemons kill every protag, it'd probably be just as tiring as what we got

[dense mortar]

I'd rather read a space marine getting his arm severed off and barely surviving the battle

Than some dramatic stand off where he punches the daemon and kills it

[outer wave]

Oh definitely sounds alot more interesting for sure

[near wasp]

Ah he finally discovered the grimderp

[versed ledge]

How dangerous are nurglings?

Can they be captured for study and autopsy?

[copper patrol]

you can't really autopsy any daemon

[versed ledge]

Damn...

[outer wave]

All daemons are just warp magic made into a form, so yeah no dissection is possible

And even if you could, you'd likely understand less than before

[near wasp]

Nurgles daemons exposed organs are just aesthetic

[outer wave]

Yeah

[copper patrol]

for how dangerous they are

depends on thier mood

[near wasp]

Most of daemon study comes from esoteric means. Learning true names stuff like that

[copper patrol]

nurglings are generally pretty happy, and I don't think they like will infect you with something jsut be being near them(maybe it's a nurgle daemon so idk)

[outer wave]

They probably stink bad, but their bites and scratches are very dangerous

The stink likely won't kill you though?

[near wasp]

Its nurgle it could

[outer wave]

True

[gloomy citrus]

All Nurgle followers are happy.

[copper patrol]

that is

not actually true

tbh

the daemons are

[gloomy citrus]

Mortarion. Right.

[copper patrol]

some of the space marines are

but the ones we fight are very much not happy

[gloomy citrus]

That piece of shit, Typhus certainly is.

[queen laurel]

Unless they belong to Epidemius, yeah they are pretty go lucky

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much only the Groaners

and thats because they are mid-transformation, its why you can hear them crying and beg for help

meanwhile the poxwalkers/pox-hordes can be heard laughing and stuff, its very fucked up

[copper patrol]

the just normal dudes we fight don't seem happy

dregs and scabs etc

[storm jungle]

Oh hell no

the dregs are VERY happy

[near wasp]

I mean kugath seemed pretty not happy

[storm jungle]

the Moebians are just focused

you can hear the gunners scream shit like

NURGLE BLESS THIS AMMUNITION

A THOUSAND SUFFERINGS UPON THEEEE

Meanwhile some dying dregs say stuff like:

"Grandfather THANK YOUUuuu...."

its very subtle but it sthere

[queen laurel]

Let me tell you rot flies are definitely not happy

The poor bastards

[near wasp]

Do not make me fell sympathy for a daemon

If i slip up any more the commisar will have me fed to the throne

[queen laurel]

Don't worry, the commissar hasn't noticed that my skin is green, i think he's pretty blind

[storm jungle]

They look pretty happy to me

[near wasp]

They arnt

[storm jungle]

its his turn on the Xbox

[queen laurel]

You know the lore behind them right

Let me assure you

[storm jungle]

I do but its not really "unhappy"

[near wasp]

Rot flies are beasts of nurgle who got sad nobody wanted to play with them. They then crawl into a swamp to die and turn into rot flies.

[storm jungle]

its literally just daemonic family drama

Yeah but thats not really the same thing

they arent sad at being nurgle alligned

so

[queen laurel]

They used literal hatred as a cocoon

[storm jungle]

Average school playground experience

except replace the swamp with my bed

https://tenor.com/view/flop-on-bed-tired-going-to-sleep-bedtime-gif-15735365

[near wasp]

....

[queen laurel]

I thought we're talking about their emotional state as a whole not be related to the god

[storm jungle]

Nah we were talking about nurgle followers and their situation

where most are basically gaslighted into being happy

[queen laurel]

Yes your point makes sense

[storm jungle]

[queen laurel]

At least there are people who actually have something else rather than being happy

[dense mortar]

If the Imperium established a permanent alliance with Orkoids, the chaos would not stand a chance?

[copper patrol]

if orks could establish a permanet alliance with themselves no one would stand a chance

[dense mortar]

Its because they have an extremely aggressive fighting spirit, coupled with sheer numbers?

[near wasp]

Its because orks are stupid, and live to fight. If you make peace there less people to krump

[queen laurel]

Don't forget they need to fight to survive

[dense mortar]

And they have a rapid reproduction system?

[queen laurel]

They are biologically programmed to fight

Because if they don't fight they will literally gain weight and become less fit

[copper patrol]

they reproduce by dying or shedding spores in combat

[near wasp]

They reproduce vai spores

[queen laurel]

Yes they're fungus

[dense mortar]

So they can multiply fairly quickly?

[copper patrol]

very quickly

[queen laurel]

Yes, and getting rid of them it's quite hard

[dense mortar]

How much training and time goes into a newborn Ork, to a fully fighting Ork

[copper patrol]

none

[queen laurel]

Unless you burn them you will leave the mushrooms behind

[near wasp]

They are the most numerous race in the galaxy

[copper patrol]

almost

[queen laurel]

Zero, they are practically born to fight

[copper patrol]

like orks are biologically programed to know things

[dense mortar]

That seems like a commodity the Emperor overlooked

[queen laurel]

Second only to tyranids of course

[near wasp]

The big e spent alot of time killing orks

[dense mortar]

They seem highly suceptible to suggestion as a result of their lack of intelligence. Could Big E not have found a way to pose as Gork or Mork via psychic persuasion?

and just have them do his bidding

[near wasp]

The tyranids are technically 1 organism

[copper patrol]

orks are very cunning

[near wasp]

Mork and gork are some of the strongest warp entities

[copper patrol]

also they can tell something "unorky'

[copper patrol]

I think they are full stop

I could be wrong tho

[queen laurel]

That's where you are wrong, Gork and Mork might be the gods of the Orks but they are not stupid, especially Mork

[signal bramble]

It wouldn't have mattered anyway. Orks are way too prone to violence and infighting.

Hell once he left they'd probably forget and go back to what they were doing

[dense mortar]

So there own lust for conflict prevents them from being one of the most formidable forces in the universe?

[copper patrol]

also they could probably tell he wasn't orky enough

[copper patrol]

yes

not just one of

[near wasp]

The orks are more of force of nature than they are sentient beings

[copper patrol]

the

[queen laurel]

Yes and well asking a race to engage in peace that needs fighting in order to physically survive is possibly a dumb idea

[copper patrol]

most formidable force

[signal bramble]

They also can't stay united for long which is another reason.

[dense mortar]

So if an Ork sees another Ork being killed by a non-Ork, whats the reaction?

[queen laurel]

At best the biggest diplomacy you can get from them is hiring them as mercenaries

[dense mortar]

Is there a innate bond between all Orks?

[signal bramble]

Depends

[queen laurel]

They find it funny

if it's the war boss

Not so much

It's hard to break their morale unless you kill the boss

[signal bramble]

In the Ciaphas Cain books, Cain kills a war boss and is about to run but Jurgen tells him to hold his ground. The orks yell at each other to go kill Cain, but with the war boss dead they devolve to "don't give me orders!" and then start killing each other for dominance.

Had Cain ran they'd have probably chased him.

[queen laurel]

Orks retreated when commissar yarrick killed their war boss

[near wasp]

Khan was one of the few beings to make orks fear

[queen laurel]

Yes so they will find it funny unless it's their boss

[copper patrol]

orks will be like

best friend with another ork

and then laugh when they get killed by something stupid

[queen laurel]

I swear to god that guy is blessed because i heard he fought khorne berserkers, probably the berserkers were injured i didn't read the books but they are still khorne berserkers

[near wasp]

Id bet cain is blessed.

[signal bramble]

Not quite. He managed to hold his own for long enough that his aide shot the berzerker near point blank with a melta gun.

[near wasp]

Ah thatd do the trick

[copper patrol]

the kill was credited to Cain iirc

right

for what ever reason

[signal bramble]

It was.

[queen laurel]

Yes but they will definitely retreat or panic if the war boss died

[queen laurel]

I'd say that still impressive

[signal bramble]

Everyone that saw was like "omg cain totally killed that berzerker in 1v1 hand to hand combat in final destination no items."

[near wasp]

Pffft

[gray umbra]

The last berserker was super fucked up and had no weapons

Cain just chainsworded a gap in his armor so he fell over

Then jurgen blasted his face with a melts

[dense mortar]

So as a Space Marine, am I juicing up before combat?

[crimson kayak]

Depends? What you mean?

[winter vessel]

I forgot, was there any surviving loyalists of the Emperor’s Children legion after the H.H?

[dense mortar]

Like is that giving me optimal chance of survival?

Or are the blessing and armor blessing, and all that ceremony actually doing something?

[crimson kayak]

90% of ceremonies/blessings don't do anything

Like how sticking more purity seals on your armour doesn't make you more pure

But you know, overly zealous supersoldiers must have overly zealous tendencies

[dense mortar]

So can Psykers "buff" Space marines?

heal wounds, provide a boost to shielding or endurance, etc.

[gray umbra]

Some librarians have support abilities

[storm jungle]

That lore doesnt really exist anymore. Orks fight because they are genetically single-minded monsters.

[urban spire]

space marines are by and large less religious than the rest of the imperium

[storm jungle]

Xenology got CANNED

shame because its a great book

[urban spire]

it's not like they're atheists but their religion is more a religion in the sense that confucianism is a religion than anything else

it's a faith based on ideology, it just isn't very concerned with the supernatural

[storm jungle]

Basically. It depends.

[urban spire]

so a space marine will have faith and zeal, but not in the emperor as a god

well yeah

[storm jungle]

Some are super religions.

Some are not.

[urban spire]

YEAH
I

IT DEPENDS A LOT

some chapters are bad

very bad about it

[storm jungle]

Black Templars moment

One crusade was dumb enough to kill its Primaris reinforcements and the Custodian representative that came along with them, so

[urban spire]

space wolves have evolved their own weird little cult

[storm jungle]

space wolves are fine because they are mostly himbos about it

some as you say tho are very psychotic on the subject

[urban spire]

but most chapters are pretty sane about it

they have a practical faith centered on their duty and purpose

dare i say a greater good

[dense mortar]

Space Wolves do their own thing

[urban spire]

honestly kinda based

[storm jungle]

The fandom got very mad about it, it was great

[urban spire]

the fandom will never be happy about anything that happens

[copper patrol]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/813175730518753300/1071586471355621417/BDCE20E5-FF5B-4798-8D00-EA81C1B1C446.gif

[dense mortar]

Whats the purpose of the 1000 member chapter rule

[copper patrol]

to prevent another horus heresy

basically limits the amount of space marines that are under 1(ish) person's control

[dense mortar]

Horus had in the ball park of 100k Space Marines at time of Heresy-ing?

[copper patrol]

no clue tbh

probably close to that

[urban spire]

horus was backed by multiple traitor legions at one point, keep in mind

[dense mortar]

and none thought, "ehhh, we arent turning on Big E"

[urban spire]

it's kind of a reactionary knee-jerk honestly

putting a 1k per chapter limit does not undo the heresy

[copper patrol]

oh yeah a lot of marines didn;t turn

from the traitor legions

they just all got killed mostly

[urban spire]

loyal marines from traitor chapters and legions do exist

some of them end up in the deathwatch

they are called black shields

normally a deathwatch marine's armour is repainted in black with the exception of one shoulder which retains the original heraldry of their chapter, but black shields have that obscured as well

not that being from a traitor chapter is the only reason to become a black shield

[crimson kayak]

Actually a lot did, they proceeded to be told to go Istvaan III and... "await further instructions"

[near wasp]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[storm jungle]

Also to quote one of my favorite HH lines

"Astartes fighting Astartes? Such a notion was laughable."

[gloomy citrus]

Bofa'deez nuts.

[pale onyx]

Hey if every chaos god has their own daemons and realms those daemons go to when banished and reside in. And saints are daemons made from the emperor, does that mean the big E has his own realm? And those who die worshipping him go there like how a chaos worshipper soul would go to their respective god.

[near wasp]

Not all of the warp is inhabited by the choas gods

[storm jungle]

The people that worship the Emperor dont go anywhere, Big E only selects those he seems as "useful"

Celestine is one of those individuals

You just float into the warp and either dissipate or get your soul torn out by daemons

[near wasp]

Also if you sell your soul to a choas god there daemons get to eat your soul

[pale onyx]

Yeah but if he’s strong enough to bitch slap Nurgle maybe he has his own realm where his worshippers go to on death? As a reward kind off.

[storm jungle]

Nah he doesn't.

[near wasp]

No

[pale onyx]

Damn

[storm jungle]

He isn't a good person.

And neither are your common imperials.

Most arent really deserving of a good afterlife

and the ones that do, well thats the purposeful tragedy

[near wasp]

Lamenters

[pale onyx]

So the only ones who actually don’t get ripped apart in the afterlife are daemon princes and saints? Big E should take responsibility for the souls who die worshipping him smh, he has the power to do so. Yeah he’s not a nice guy but he protects humanity

[storm jungle]

He doesnt really

Hes an opportunistic vegetable at this point.

Sisters and Saints get faith powers because they are useful, good luck for anyone else kek

When Guilliman tries to talk with him he hears like 10 voices at once

guy's pretty out of it

[pale onyx]

He does with saints and guiding himanity through warp travel, connecting mankind’s planets. Without him humanity is dead. And yeah he was a vegetable but with the great rift opening the warp energies flowed into his ass and he was conscious enough to heal gullieman, insult and slap Nurgle.
Yeah saints get faith powers but they use it for the good of humanity which is what the big E wants

[storm jungle]

I mean what good of humanity.

Trillions of people die daily under the Imperium's rule.

Its not really changing much, they just go to the warzone thats most dire at the time.

Then its back to the status quo.

[pale onyx]

Protecting key worlds to the imperium

[storm jungle]

Which don't do much aside from just keeping the gruelling war machine going.

Like, when Imperials win wars the worlds they won on just go back to abusing its populace/slave labor among other stuff

[pale onyx]

Yeah exactly, without the war machine all of the galaxy’s horrors will kill probably more than twice as much people a day than rn

[storm jungle]

I mean not really, again.

The Imperium is not suppose to be a hopeful faction.

Its in every book's opening.

[urban spire]

the state of humanity was not improved by the imperium

[storm jungle]

^

[pale onyx]

It was definitely on a down slope. But with gulliemans return and the big E becoming more conscious there is hope for humanity again

[storm jungle]

I like the Imperium and this isn't me hating on them. It's just the lore and how its presented.

[storm jungle]

What hope tho

like... billions of people die under the Imperium

not from its enemies.

With factions like the Votann it clearly showcases that the Imperium is brutal for needless reasons. They could have automated worlds/foundries but don't because computer bad

[urban spire]

guilliman might make things a bit better

[storm jungle]

He is trying.

The problem is everyone else doesn't want to change and it is too late to change.

[urban spire]

love a guy who hates the emperor at least as much as i do

[storm jungle]

🤝

Also to quote Guilliman

[urban spire]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-handshake-muscle-strong-man-gif-5783927

[storm jungle]

He'd rather see Horus destroy the Imperium than see what it is now.

You'll go to a deathcamp just because you fought against the armies of hell to defend your world.

[urban spire]

yeah like

killing every guardsman who fought a daemon is too extreme in the first place

but being like "well since they're dying anyway we might as well extract MAXIMUM RESOURCES"

is beyond the pale

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[pale onyx]

Guilliman is making some reforms and they are more brutal than needed because computer bad. And wrong decisions like purging a planet for a small daemon invasion. But other parts of the imperium like space wolves are against that.

Besides with Guillimans return and organizing the imperium plus the big E being conscious again it’s looking up for humanity. Yes trillions are dying and being ripped apart by daemons in the after life, but at least they are protecting another trillion with continuing the war machine

[storm jungle]

Trillions are dying because their own faction is killing them.

Whats the fault of a mother being servitorized for wanting to feed her starving family

Also Guilliman cannot change much is the thing thats being explored in the Dawn of Fire books.

[urban spire]

anyway if you want an afterlife you actually want nurgle, it's super easy to become a tallyman

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[pale onyx]

Yeah definitely some fucked ppl in charge letting that happen. But yet again there’s other ppl in the imperium who are actually good, that’s the nice part of humanity you can’t have one without the othe

[pale onyx]

Yeah Nurgle my favorite chaos god cus he actually loved his followers

[crisp heath]

I think there are rare cases when especially powerful souls can avoid getting vore'd by daemons when they die, but iirc those get reincarnated, not sent to an afterlife

[pale onyx]

I wonder where in the warp saints vibe while they aren’t deployed by the big E

[urban spire]

emperor hasn't got a realm, so that's a good question

[storm jungle]

Only Celestine is explored atm

and its very trippy/weird

[crisp heath]

Celestine basically has her own purgatory where she loses a bit of herself everytime she dies, it's wild shit

[storm jungle]

Sometime later on Tsadrekha, Saint Celestine appeared to help the Imperial Fists and local army against a Chaos invasion. After a long battle against Chaos forces, the Saint entrusted the psyker who acted as an astropathic beacon on that planet to Kassar of the Alpha Legion and prepared to fight against Khârn. In the end, Celestine died at hands of the World Eater.

Celestine woke up in the dimension of the Warp, on top of a huge mountain made of skulls, bones and broken and rusted armors. All around her neck there was a deep scar that soon faded away. Celestine had lost her memory, but she soon realized who she was and that she was experiencing one of her many deaths. She walked in a nightmarish landscape full of daemons, and facing various trials, regaining her memory, armour and sword. She found two other ladies, who were revealed to be parts of her own soul: Faith and Duty, and a young girl who was her Hope. After the trials she was able to return once more to life.

She appeared on the planet of Kophyr, where she lead the few available Astra Militarum forces against War Engine, the leader of a Blood cult of Khorne that had taken control of the planet. However, while the campaign was successful, she was betrayed by an Inquistor who fell under the sway of Khorne. The Inquisitor used his psychic powers to turn half the Imperial Guardsmen against Celestine. While the mutiny was defeated, Celestine was killed by a close range melta gun shot. Upon dying, she awoke once more a top the mountain of bones, with no memory of who she was

[pale onyx]

Ayo?

[urban spire]

fell under the sway of khorne

and used his

psychic

powers

[crisp heath]

tbf the same thing happens in Space Marine

[pale onyx]

Perhaps fabricated by the big E as a trial to see if she is still worthy/ human enough to be a saint? Since immediately after she gets deployed.

[urban spire]

the big bad in space marine is undivided isnt he

[crisp heath]

Sometimes you see people in the dark corners of the internet talking about "The Emperor's Table" which is supposed to be an afterlife where he keeps the best warriors in case he needs to resurrect them, but from what I can tell it seems to just be fanon with maybe a throwaway line in some old lore

Orks actually do get a heaven, Gork and Mork have their own orky realm in the warp and after a while there orks reincarnate

[urban spire]

orks don't super mind dying, they know they'll be back

[storm jungle]

Yeah the book with this lore is also like 2-3 years old so its pretty "recent" and solidified

[urban spire]

any time a psyker or sorcerer sides with khorne in a work i just ignore it

at least that part of it

[copper patrol]

eh I am sorta fine with it

tbh

depends on the implmentation tho

[odd palm]

Blood pact make use of 'em

[copper patrol]

if it's like a psyker/sorcerer that buffs him/herself and allies then it's kinda neet

[urban spire]

khorne hates magic, sorcerers, psykers, etc

[crisp heath]

There's enough Khornate psykers out there that I just assume Khorne is cool with it unless they use their powers offensively. Mind reading, some casual telekinesis, seeing the future, that's all fine, but once you start throwing fireballs and blasting folks with force lightning Khorne decides you're a little bitch who needs to learn how to use a sword

Then again there's also a book where a drukhari cult worships Slaanesh so lets not pretend GW and Black Library are sticklers for Chaos lore

[urban spire]

worshipping slaanesh is the kind of dumb thing you get up to when you're in like your fifth millennium of life and sex with the wife just REALLY aint cutting it anymore

[crisp heath]

Kind of the opposite with Drukhari, Slaanesh is all about the stuff they were going to do anyway, but she's also slowly killing them all so they just keep doing what they were doing, use the psychic energy from torture to extend their life, and let Slaanesh take a little off the top because it means she'll leave them alone for a while

[rose thorn]

Gonna get my sister into warhammer, she liked killteams but I stripped it to the bare bones so next time we play we will have like, stratagems and abilities and stuff

She likes the sisters of battle

[odd palm]

Another shall be brought into the plastic addiction

[crisp heath]

I'm actually thinking of buying my brother a Blood Bowl team

[rose thorn]

I’m trying to think of a way to explain to my sister the SoB with out being like ‘murder lesbian Christian’s’

She is a lesbian and watched murder shows

But still

[rose thorn]

OOoOoOo

[copper patrol]

nuns with guns

[rose thorn]

True

[crisp heath]

I'm trying to find a good Akhorne proxy since the original mini doesn't seem to be around anymore, I want a little squirrel on my wood elf team

[rose thorn]

Dollar tree has good mini squirrels actually

She played DA space marines when we played

And she got their personality perfectly LMAO

‘DIE MONSTERS’ mini dies ‘I WILL REVENGE YOU BROTHER’

And then went on a murder spree on my demons

I only won because I got like 4 crits in a row

[crisp heath]

Also, AoO Vashtorr hasn't been released yet, so I kind of hate how the press reviews and Valrak spoiled ||OH MY GOD, IT'S BE'LAKOR WITH A STEEL CHAIR||

[rose thorn]

LmaO

How come gw writers fucking hate Belakor like fuck

He doenst even ahve anytning in 40k

And barely anything in AOS

[crisp heath]

I mean he did just go on a huge warpath in AoS and absolutely wrecked shit

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because hes a Fantasy character thats been plastered into the other settings due to being a daemon character

[crisp heath]

Belakor is basically the mascot of Warhammer, he's more like pikachu. Almost no one has Pikachu as their favorite pokemon, but everyone can tell you which one is Pikachu

[storm jungle]

Also being Archaon's dad is cool too i guess

[urban spire]

what, the everchosen?

daemons being the same across both games is kinda cool but also really weird sometimes

imo they should let fantasy daemons have more bolters

[crisp heath]

If you think that's weird, AoS freed a bunch of elf souls from Slaanesh, and it's kind of implied some of them are actually Eldar

[urban spire]

i already think AoS is intensely weird

AoS has dwarfs (bad)

[storm jungle]

They arent Eldar

its just the wording

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

And yes

tho it works because AOS is literally the sequel to Fantasy

so at least it is the same Belakor

with 40k hes just some random hobo

[urban spire]

i really need to get back to my tzeentch campaign in total warhammer

but the immortal empires start is so fucking rough

i just want to cast spells and ride hoverboards

[storm jungle]

No you are getting ogre'd

[rose thorn]

I’m gonna print and prime some SoB for my sister and teach her how to paint

[arctic talon]

Ogres > funny blue demons

[rose thorn]

And I’ll print my self a KT and we should be set

[storm jungle]

Fat non-human mongolians have never been more based

[rose thorn]

Trueeeee

I hope the great maw comes back in AOS

They still have the religious symbols in their models but they worship the teeth of gorkamorka now

I mean mouth/ same thing

[queen laurel]

Are you telling me they removed the single thing that was a disadvantage of the orks?

[storm jungle]

Xenology is one of the few 40k lore materials that was officially said to be retconned yeah.

Now its back to the normal "they infight a lot"

[queen laurel]

Good dammit, i liked it when i found out orks need to fight because they were literally made to be a weapon, they really need it to physically survive

It made them you know more unique

[storm jungle]

Orks are already pretty unique so i dont mind it too much.

They also get like 1 page anywy.

[queen laurel]

Yeah they are still pretty nice

And they are like one of the more consistent things in warhammer

[storm jungle]

Mushrooms in Fantasy

Mushrooms in 40k

Mushrooms in AOS

living the dream

[queen laurel]

They literally also filled my two needs
Giant loud weaponry
They have it
Monsters that can break down fortresses?
The snake bites got me covered

[storm jungle]

Squigs my beloved 🙏

[queen laurel]

they are nice but i would definitely bring a Squiggoth

[versed ledge]

If orks are mushrooms, can a human eat them?

[summer rover]

fantasy orcs were edible, in 40k i believe it's considered heretical.

[storm jungle]

Yeah and medieval peasants will basically eat anything so

[queen laurel]

If you're brave enough to explore a place riddled with mouths on legs and goblin look alikes, sure just make sure the inquisitor doesn't find out

[arctic talon]

They’re edible in 40k but it’s heresy unless approved by a company commander or comissar

For marines orks are always on the menu

[crimson kayak]

Who doesn't love the race that can range from a giant four legged Dino to a syringe

[celest dome]

And hair

[crimson kayak]

And pigeons

[storm jungle]

And oil

[crimson kayak]

And psionic bombs

[celest dome]

And targeting systems

[queen laurel]

And god damn weird looking tiny indominus rex

[crimson kayak]

The gun is so powerful it doesnt need either a magazine or a trigger

[queen laurel]

It's orks, they can disassemble my pc and turn it into a working nasa computer

[crimson kayak]

True, still funny

[signal bramble]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/a8/Boy_Rokkit_Launcha.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20120811165949

The ork rokkit launcha is probably my favorite.

[queen laurel]

Nice, but i prefer my explosives to be a melee weapon

[outer wave]

I love the Tank Hammers

Actually the goofiest thing they got

[queen laurel]

Oh boy

Let me tell you

The ork weapon rabbit hole goes deeper than that

[outer wave]

Oh it does but Tank Hammers are just so dumb and yet

Orks keep doing it

[queen laurel]

It's not the most ridiculous
When this looney tunes acne gun exist

[outer wave]

The zap gun is pretty dumb too

Zap cannon? No Traktor Cannon?

I can't remember the name

[queen laurel]

The zap gun is s cannon

I think you're talking about the traktor one

If you're talking about basically the gravity gun from gmod

But you know bigger

Oh wait my bad it's the physics gun

[outer wave]

Oh right yeah it might be that then

I just know the one you're talking about literally sucks Gretchen and Snotlings in and teleports them onto the enemy

And it's wacky

[queen laurel]

Yes, the almighty Shokk attack gun

[pale onyx]

Hey guys do you think the void dragon is the omiseiah or the god emperor of mankind? Without a doubt it's the void dragon causing mars tech to go uber. But it was the god emperor who put it there with that intention. I think the god emperor is the omiseiah since if the "product" (mars tech going uber) was a table, the god emperor is the crafter and the void dragon is the carving tool

[crimson kayak]

I mean, they also have a knife that teleports the ones hit by it the fuck away from you

[queen laurel]

What's the name of that one, i'm an ork fan but i'm not a perfect fan

Never heard of that

[crimson kayak]

Zzap Knife

Its from dawn of war

[queen laurel]

Honestly, expected

[outer wave]

Nah its just a Necron C'tan shard sealed on Mars

Or most likely to be the same Void Dragon of the Necrons

[crimson kayak]

There's also the Souped Up Speshul from Psychic Awakening wich is basically all dakka they could gather thrown together into a single vehicle weapon

[queen laurel]

I swear if they put a boot into a stick and make it's purpose is to give any species of any gender the same pain as being kick in the balls, i bet you they would definitely just call it the special kicka

[crimson kayak]

Ork guns be like

[orchid thicket]

I love how symmetrical the head of that thing is

A remnant of Krork days

[versed ledge]

Ork guns and ork tech are marvels of engineering....nobody knows how it flies save for belief

Also I just realized one can say Tenno Heika Banzai, and it will still be considered canon

[orchid thicket]

In the Japanese localization of Darktide it's "Kotei Heika Banzai," since "Tenno" is reserved for His Majesty the Emperor of Japan

[plush mason]

so did the admech just forget/never learned that just lining an ammo box/mag with lead will stop most of the radiation bleed of their radium rounds?

[shadow plover]

They consider radiation holy iirc

[plush mason]

ofc

so i guess all the cancer the vanguard suffer from is also seen as blessings

[green loom]

Probably
Frankly they might just not bother so they can use lead for something else, they don't lack vanguard

[shadow plover]

Something like that, they usually just get augments in place any cancerous tissue though I think

[plush mason]

tbh they also dont lack for lead ether most likely

[green loom]

Yeah but that isn't as grimderp as seeing lives as so dispensable that you'd rather conserve a bit of lead per number than bother with any actual safety

[plush mason]

true

[pale onyx]

Guys hear me out

What if

Nurgle made a plague toad but

It was the size of a mountain, absolutely devastating. Unrivaled

[plain bolt]

[pale onyx]

This but way bigger

[plain bolt]

We should fight one in darktide

[pale onyx]

Yes

[rich patrol]

I find comfort in this fact: Custodes are genetically mastercrafted golden works of art, everyone is a one man army

Yet they failed at their only job and now the emperor is a vegetable on a couch

A Guardsman can be thin, fat, diabetic, anemic, short or allergic to peanut butter/pollen, yet they've great at their job and held the imperium together for 10k years

[dry epoch]

The idea of a Guardsman being allergic to peanut butter is making me giggle like a loon.

[plush mason]

lol

[crimson kayak]

rad weapon bullets detonate with intense bursts of radiation and leave an immediate radioactive fallout in the area

basically the whole area of operations becomes dangerous

[plush mason]

yes, i was just talking about the radiation bleed when not being fired or just in storage

[crimson kayak]

also the skitarii vanguard already have rad-leeching robes and augments exlusively done for wielding rad weaponry

it's just that when you field something with 40k battlefield numbers, even water guns can cause tsunami's

[plush mason]

which iirc are woefully ineffective and only stave off the worst of the effects

[crimson kayak]

welcome to the skitarii legions

[plush mason]

yup

[crimson kayak]

oh no wait

i confused them

radium weapons are even more devastating than radiation weapon, because yes they are two different categories

[plush mason]

a radium weapon fires a projectile made of radioactive metal right?

[crimson kayak]

yep, but a volley of radium weapon fire can cause localized radiation storms

[plush mason]

yup

its why lining the armor of the vanguard with lead would be a very bad idea

[crimson kayak]

well, now i gotta draw a great unclean one with that face.

[pale onyx]

Please send it to me too in dms so o can save such a glorious creation when it’s complete

[crimson kayak]

lol, sure thing

[crisp heath]

THE AGE OF THE TYRANID HATH BEGUN

[crimson kayak]

Wot

[queen laurel]

Are you talking about the new teaser?

[crisp heath]

yeah

[open pumice]

Age of primaris terminator

[rose thorn]

tbh i use to think that word bearers being a melee based factin was pretty dumb lore wise

but damn

word bearers use a shit load of melee

in modern and HH lore

[celest dome]

Word Bearer ? Or World Eater ?

[rose thorn]

word bearers

but to be fair most of their melee is done by demons lmao

and possessed

[crimson kayak]

I mean when you are an uberhuman clad in tank armour you can get away with being melee focus

[queen laurel]

And hey, learning how to fight in melee just in case an 8 foot tall green rage induced mushroom with a mechanical claw that can cut through most matter comes at you is definitely helpful

[crimson kayak]

I mean, when 90% of the galaxy engages in melee combat, you gotta adapt

[queen laurel]

Speaking of melee combat

[rose thorn]

i wasnt sure how the omega religion faction would play i wasnt expecting crack cocaine melee

[queen laurel]

Are you familiar with starcraft

[queen laurel]

Well, the nuns have access to this

[plush mason]

starcraft marines are literally prison inmates told "ether join up or keep rotting" lol

[plush mason]

thanks i hate it

[queen laurel]

Yes, but i was going to ask

Which would win
A bio titan or Ultralisk

[plush mason]

a bio titan by a fucking mile

[rose thorn]

i know sisters ahs some varied gameplay, but they use a pretty alright amount of ranged waepons. Like damn in HH majority of WB's figthing is either chaos fuckery or screaming with a chainsword

[plush mason]

why not both?

[rose thorn]

also shout out to the ashen circle still my favorite HH unit in the game

[plush mason]

also what better way to preach the word of the dark gods than right in someone's face as you rip them in half?

[queen laurel]

Even in melee huh

I guess it doesn't matter even if the ultralisks has the kaiser blades, which for some reason has a monomolecular edge

[plush mason]

the ultralisk is more a kin to a baneblade or knight

[rose thorn]

i have no fucking clue if its good but damn i love it

[plush mason]

the brutalisk is the titan equivalent

[rose thorn]

whoops

thre we go

[plush mason]

i love the helmets and the collars

[rose thorn]

me too

i love the axes

[plush mason]

same

[queen laurel]

They are said to be around 20 meters long and 5 meters tall in the Wikipedia

So you're probably right but that seems quite tiny

Compared to the cutscenes

[rose thorn]

their job was to just pull the good old china special, destroying all culture knowledge and elders and replacing it with thier own

[plush mason]

blizzard has always had a problem with scale in those

[queen laurel]

They look color wise very similar to the space sharks

[rose thorn]

yeah the artist fucked up pretty bad they used the wrong grey

its not bad

just thewrong color

[queen laurel]

I just always go to the cutscene for height, because they insist using that

[rose thorn]

honestly WB god the bad end of the stick on FW

you would never know that this is actually a good model

[queen laurel]

Which is by assumption the ultralisks in the cut scenes are 23 meters

[queen laurel]

That is not the best presentation

[plush mason]

i thought the word bearers where all red as their base color

[rose thorn]

no they were silver

after

the event

they turned their armor red

i cant remember if its because of lorgar's home world or beacuse of the color of the warp

[queen laurel]

Erebus the bastard

[rose thorn]

not the burning by the emperor but the burning they did lmao

[rose thorn]

i fucking love erebus lmao

hes the wrost

thats why he is amazing

[plush mason]

oh right when big e found out they where worshiping him as a god and went "i am NOT a god and to prove it i will have your world burned while i force all of you to kneel before your city as it falls with nothing but mine mind"

[queen laurel]

Honestly if he made better decisions

[rose thorn]

yeah but their armor became red after they created a demon world

[queen laurel]

He would be liked more

[plush mason]

but if he had done that 40k would not exist as it does

[queen laurel]

Like if he saved angron's people

[queen laurel]

Yes, and i'm happy for that but you can't deny what he did was absolutely f****** stupid

[plush mason]

yup

[rose thorn]

i heard a theory that angeron's home world was a khorne cult so the empero was like 'nah im not dealing witht hat'

angron*

[plush mason]

then why did he side with the rulers of that world?

[rose thorn]

idk, maybe it was just the lower class i have no clue

i read it in passing on reddit

[queen laurel]

And why the fuck did he think it was a good idea to copy the butcher's nails and give it to angron's legion

[plush mason]

because. he was a giant golden clad idiot at the best of times

[queen laurel]

I swear, sometimes i wish i can go into the warhammer 40k universe just for 10 seconds to slap the emperor

[plush mason]

the amount of times malcador could have said "i told you that wouldnt work" during the great crusade is likely a greater number than the amount of worlds in the imperium rn lol

[plush mason]

he needed it, badly

[queen laurel]

And he supposed to be the manifestation of at least multiple minds

But all of them forgot common sense apparently

[plush mason]

they where all human minds so

he is just the maifestation of many levels of stupid all rolled into one

[queen laurel]

One thing i find funny everyday, if the old ones gave the Necron sunscreen and healthcare, this setting would be pretty peaceful

[plush mason]

tbf the necrontyr where slave driving assholes so i can understand why they refused to help

[queen laurel]

Is that so

Huh neat

[plush mason]

yes they where a race of conquerors that enslaved both their people and any race they found

[queen laurel]

I swear to god, those raisin looking fucks should have just died

[plush mason]

that is what the old ones said as well probably

[uneven temple]

Instead they upgraded from raisins to string cheese, once again proving the superiority of mozzarella

[plush mason]

lol

[dense mortar]

loving the way Space Wolves are chosen. From warring clans that are stuck in the steel age. Wolf Priests watch them in battle with one another and pick out the most ferocious, and take them away never to return

[urban spire]

a process wherein the space wolves mass produce immortal macho meatheads

[ancient pond]

if the Orks think that the Emperor is the biggest baddest humie there is is, would their collective belief revive the Emperor?

[storm jungle]

No.

Ork belief is just meme lore.

It works for keeping their machines together and nothing else. They cant will things into existence.

Unless you are weirdboy because thats just magic spells at that point

https://media.tenor.com/qSmtsNNyOFAAAAAC/foot-of-gork-warhammer-total-war.gif

[plush mason]

tbh isnt that just space marine recruitment as a whole regardless of the chapter?

[urban spire]

most chapters are less meatheady

[plush mason]

so the tribes of fenres use kids to fight their wars?

[plush mason]

all space marines are 100% meatheads just some are less so than others

its funny, the modern lore of the SM is way more fucked up than their old old lore

they went from augmented criminals to augmented child soldiers

[urban spire]

yeah no space marines are the worst

[copper patrol]

iirc space wolves are generally a bit older when they are picked

so they don't quite use child soldiers

other chapters do th

or well

they are just picked up at a young age they don't fight for quite a while afaik

[open pumice]

They are "adults" by the time they actually see combat

but they are about as emotionally mature as a 16yo

as they've sepnt most of their formative years being indoctrinated and effectively programmed into killing machines

[open pumice]

No, just the space wolves sleect particularly violent kids

the space marine recruiting age is between 12 and 14

[desert dust]

I think people forget that most space marines are basically religious extremists that have a mentally of 12 year old kids and fly around finding bad guys

[plush mason]

yeah because any older and they most likely will not survive the implant process iirc

[plush mason]

one YTer once said "the space marines are the embodiment of a 12 year old boy's idea of what being an adult man is like" and he hit the nail on the head with that imo

[desert dust]

[torpid narwhal]

Whats a magos

[plush mason]

a ranking techpriest

sadly i cant remember how high their rank is

[desert dust]

I know they are high enough that they can lead there own research teams.

[viscid basin]

dem is da fatazzy boyz

nought da spacey ork ork orkz

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Magos

And if you wanna dive deeper here

Knock yourself out

[signal bramble]

It should be noted that not all forge worlds follow this hierarchy either.

It’s possible for them to be different.

[storm jungle]

Thats why its the general structure

and a lot better than anything GW can put out so lol

[versed ledge]

So what rank would the engineers in DOW be?

[green loom]

Fairly low on the totem pole

[signal bramble]

Enginseers are lesser ranked and some of them are looked down upon for doing mere maintenance work which, while important, isn't as cool or as important as studying the advanced tech of the omnissiah.

Any enginseer can fix a lasgun, but only the really advanced tech priests can do things like maintain the more rare patterns of weapon or bless holy bolters etc.

[versed ledge]

Who manufactures the toys of the imperium?

[signal bramble]

Menials and servitors are on the assembly lines.

[queen laurel]

Yeah they really can't break reality they just massage it, a gun shaped scrap metal can shoot without ammo but you can't pick up a rock and turn into a gun

[storm jungle]

I do love that one dreadanon video where a chaos champion wants an ork's help to make a super weapon out of a wooden log

And the ork is like

"Bruh... what, I can't do that tho."

"You cant?"

"No. That's not how the WAAAGH-Field works."

"Oh."

[queen laurel]

I can't blame the chaos champion they weren't really specific

[storm jungle]

fr fr

[queen laurel]

Literally every single lore video i watched and entry i read said everything they thing to becomes real as as long enough of them believes it

Which an average person would assume basically reality breaking

[storm jungle]

Yeah when thats never been the case.

The orks just get charged from it and their ramshack machines just work better and better.

And its been the case for like 20 years

[queen laurel]

Well it is proportional to the amount of orks, so if you want reality breaking stuff you really and i mean really need a lot of them

[green loom]

But at that point you also

Don't need the field

Since they get smartser too

It's just another case of Grimdank memery over spreading like crazy

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

There was a case where people thought every guardsman becomes a veteran after surviving for 15 hours.

When that was from a single book.

In a specific planet.

On a specific warzone.

[queen laurel]

So the way i just break down the waaaagh thing

It can't break reality

But it can if there is enough of them

[green loom]

But it gives you some wiggle room

A rock won't start firing
But if it looks right, it'll probably shoot

[queen laurel]

They could break reality but you need a lot of orks and probably krorks

[green loom]

Yeah but again, at that point they're probably smart enough to not need it

[queen laurel]

Yeah in the beast they have god damn attack moons

The level of technology if they can reach that point is absolutely unfathomable

[rose thorn]

correct me if im wrong, but in general isnt the actual earning of being a veteran is about 6 months?

for guardsmne

[storm jungle]

A Veteran is basically the same as IRL

Survive many battles

Get promoted

[rose thorn]

ah

[storm jungle]

its entirely dependant on how its done by Regiment

but its more or less the same thing

basically just "Go through tough shit"

[green loom]

#bringbackguardvets

[rose thorn]

the,,, killteaM?

[green loom]

or at least give guard vet upgrade sprue, preferably with many berets :3

[green loom]

Those are out of place Kriegers, I meant more rag tag guard survivors with modded guns and stuff

[arctic talon]

Guard veterans never had a mini

they were just a way you could build your basic infantry kit

The Vet guard killteam rules wise

represents veteran guardsmen very well

[open pumice]

it's like veteran space marines weren't ever really a unit

just an alternative way of building tactical marines

[arctic talon]

Company veterans kekw

They're just tactical marines with extra bits

There's a lot of units like that

GW started cutting out of codexes

mostly since no one ran them

and like they're obtuse for new players to figure out

and they also cost a fuck ton of money to run normally lol

since they're from multiple kits

[open pumice]

Especially guard vets

[arctic talon]

Spending 100$+ for a full squad 💀

Since you want to run 10x of the same weapon

along with a heavy weapon

[open pumice]

still less than 100 points over all

still sad conscripts are gone

tho it's not hard to see why

they haven't seen the table for 2 whole edditions

and it's alot of money for GW to print 30 man conscript squads that never got used

[plush mason]

tbf that is like real life lol

veterancy can very much be earned after surviving your first combat deployment

[open pumice]

"veteren soldiers" and the vets outlined by the statline are different

(to the imperial guard)

[plush mason]

true

[open pumice]

"Veteran soliders" would be anyone who survived their first combat deployment

[plush mason]

yup

[open pumice]

(and presumably saw combat)

The true veterens we see in the statline would be those whp distinguished themselves enough to be entrusted with heavy weapons

[plush mason]

and possibly promoted

[open pumice]

Ye

Something i really like about 9es guard is they feel like modern infantry

Just in the way the squads are designed and how they interact with eachother

Skimming their rules has made me want to start a guard army

[plush mason]

so what would happen if an inquisitor fell to chaos?

[open pumice]

it happens all the time

like

all the time

[plush mason]

lol

[open pumice]

inquisitors, especially those in the ordos malleus and hereticus, tend to deal with chaos and the forces of the warp quite often

so their soul gets tainted and claimed and such over time

basically theres two fates for an inquisitor

they die

or live long enough to see themselves become the villain fall to chaos

[plush mason]

they really are an RPG game faction arent they lol

[open pumice]

generally once they've fallen to chaos, another inquisitor or assassin is sent to kill them, and they are excomunicated from the inquisition (so their rosettes stop working)

[open pumice]

no, those are the rogue traders

[plush mason]

i mean yeah but the inquisition is right up there with them

[green loom]

Don't forget to mention the two main groups of quistors

The Puritans and Radicals

[open pumice]

the rogue trader lifestyle is as follows:

Be cool
Find backwater trading world
Sell them xenos artefacts
Get puss
Inquisition shows up
shit
Translate to warp
Secure that puss on your ship (most probably some wierd xeno or abhuman)
repeat

[green loom]

Radicals are prone to going nuts via chaos, Puritans are prone to the more mundane Sisters type of zealous nuts

[open pumice]

Rogue traders are the main characters of a TTRPG game

so much so they got a TTRPG game

where they are the main character

[green loom]

and a video game soon™

[open pumice]

Truth

[green loom]

I wish we got a Dark Heresy RPG or something

Darktide is the closest we've gotten

[open pumice]

Yeah

dakr heresy would have been cooler imo

Dark heresy is porbably the 2nd best 40k TTRPG out there

[echo vault]

I needed more conversion beamers and this is nice

[green loom]

I have a soft spot for dark heresy due to it being one of the first things I binged the hell out of starting out

[open pumice]

The best is wrath and glory, only because its current enough I can still buy copies in store

[green loom]

And I mean, larping inquisitorial goon squads through the nightmare of the Imperium is just a kickass concept

[open pumice]

yeeees

Dark heresy is rad

[green loom]

All Guardsman Party was a fun ride

[open pumice]

I like wrath

[green loom]

I forget what Wrath and Glory even is tbh

[open pumice]

It's the most recent wh40k ttrpg

and imo one of the best

though

Cub.7 is putting out an inquisitor game sometime soon

[green loom]

Sounds hype

[open pumice]

Agre

[green loom]

Who knows maybe it'll show up on Friday with the big revealz

[open pumice]

they;re caling it "imperium maledictum"

[open pumice]

not from GW

[green loom]

I expect many daemons

[open pumice]

though

lustria launches tomorrow

i got work in the morning so it's time to shlep

[delicate temple]

isn't it still in alpha...?

[plush mason]

whats that?

[open pumice]

Lustria is a continet of the world that was (warhammer fantasy) abd the lvoation of cub7s new book

[open pumice]

Rogue trader is

[green loom]

No way, conquistador RPG?

[plush mason]

yeah i know what Lustria is, frankly who doesnt now that TWWH is a thing lol, and its cool that fantasy is still getting books made

[green loom]

I mean it's actively being revived

Slowly

But it's being revived

[plush mason]

good

[open pumice]

Yes, but the conquistador is a vampire

[green loom]

Hot

I meam

Lustria is very warm

[open pumice]

My ttrpg party knows nothing about the old world so i get to spend a solid 30 minutes each session rambling about l o r e

[plush mason]

lol

[green loom]

Old World guys gave CA some of the designs they're using I think

For Kislev and Cathay

[open pumice]

Ye

Cabt wait for nore tomb kings

[green loom]

Now I'm not too big a fan of Kislev, too many bare arms and not enough aventails

[open pumice]

I am going to rattle bretonia's bones

[open pumice]

Unbased

Fight the chaos bears with your cock out you coward

[green loom]

That's all well and good but Kievan Rus armour looks baller

[open pumice]

Smh
Armored chaos bear fighters

This new generation is a bunch of pussies

Next youll want coats to protect againat the cold

[green loom]

The bear riders are among the better designs

Whoever designed the bear sleds though should probably get fired

[open pumice]

I think all the designs are good and diatinctly unique

Something that ToW lackrd alot of tbh

"Elf
Wlf but kinky
Armored peraon
Armored person but dead
Armored person but french"

[green loom]

I straight up just want their arms covered
And maybe some non-hybrid ranged units

[open pumice]

No

We need less coverage

I want to see a kislevite cockslap a chaos warrior to death

[green loom]

Of unit types or big muscular Slavic bodies?

[open pumice]

Just as ursun intended

[open pumice]

The latter

Bear naled kislwvites beating chaos warriors to death because they grew up wrestling fucking imortal trolls

Wvery lislwvite is ready to be oiled up for the motherland

[green loom]

But yeah I felt it was kinda weird that their ranged rifle inf used axe-guns

Like yeah Streltsi are kinda cool but I didn't realize it was just them

[celest dome]

Gunpowder is rare in Kiskev

[plush mason]

funny enough its just an improvement on actual gun axes from history

back in the day when you only had one shot and reloading could take over a minuet often times your only real option was to fire once and then just get stuck in

[crimson kayak]

I mean warhammer 3 has a chaos boyar riding a mammoth

[rose thorn]

On the subject of warhammer fantasy and AOS, i find it super funny that only certain factions have access to normal animals

Like

Damn only orks have boars

I don’t think there’s a single non human faction that has horses

[green loom]

Dark and high elves

Idk if you'd count TK as human

Or chaos

[open pumice]

I mean

Can you imagine an ork on just a nornall ass horse

Or a lizardman on a nornal ass horse

Or a dwarf on a normal ass horse

They all have respectivr equivalents

[green loom]

Nop

Most of the more monstrous factions probably eat horses

Not like they'd be able to ride them anyway lul

[open pumice]

See: Orks

Its a wonder they use boars and not boar squigs

[orchid thicket]

Probably a homage to older piggish orc designs

[crimson kayak]

meanwhile skaven building a fleet of warships

[queen laurel]

That's why they ride horses that eat meat

This is from warhammer fantasy

If i remember it's called a Hagranym

[urban spire]

horses from krieg are carnivorous aren't they

that said, horses in real life eat meat too

[queen laurel]

Not everything that is herbivore is completely herbivore

[urban spire]

if a horse spots an opportunity for bonus protein they will take it

[queen laurel]

Cows will chew on bones because they need the calcium

If it means benefits they will do it

That's just how the animal kingdom works

[urban spire]

cows can eat more or less whatever they like to be fair

[queen laurel]

You're probably right

[dense mortar]

Oh the diabolicism (real word?) of the Space Wolves chapter. They chose this kid whose clan is being MASSACRED by a rival clan. The kid DIES while fighting one of the rival clans warriors. The Wolf Priests choose both of them, heal them back to life, then throw them in the same unit together!

The same guy that cut down his best friend and father, is now his wolf brother

Its honest beautificient.

[open pumice]

Space marine fans man
I could say space marines wear power armor and someone would respond with "it depends on the chapter"

[celest dome]

I mean in theory yes, but in practice we never see those Chapters

[open pumice]

Thats not a space marine thats an ogryn in cosplay

[celest dome]

There are Chapters that really have problems with acquiring stuff, they could in theory be forced to use something else than Power Armour

[urban spire]

so it depends on the unit, scout marines don't wear power armour

that said

i fucking hate space marines

the setting would be better without them

[open pumice]

Thats a hot take if ive ever heard one

Man if only 40k was like how thr community wanted it

None of the factions would continue to be in the game, becausebtheyre all the worst thing in 40k

Except sororitas ofcourse, what else would the horny nerds jerk off too

[celest dome]

I mean, disliking SM isn't really that hot of a take

[open pumice]

No but its a bad one

Specidically thr

[celest dome]

But there is somthing that is true about SM being the weakness of 40k

[open pumice]

The setting would be better without them part

[celest dome]

40k would still be good without SM

[open pumice]

In the same way halo would be fine without spartans

But theyre so deeoly ingrained in the identity of the setting removing them would do more harm than good