40k-lore-chat

[open pumice]

Now the galaxy is just fucked, and we can't conceivably move the story forward

[orchid thicket]

But that's where the story is inevitably going towards

[open pumice]

No

it's not :)

[orchid thicket]

Do explain my friend

[open pumice]

It's the constant threat on the horizon

THe problem with any one of those things happening is it is just

woops game over

So, for the sake of the plot, they can't happen

do we as outsiders with perfect understanding of the setting know they are going to happen? sure

but they won't actually happen

Because for one thing

It's not a story that would sell

and for another

GW can't primaris every single army

People would actually just straight up cease being interested TBH

[orchid thicket]

I dunno, considering that Age of Sigmar saved the Warhammer Fantasy ip by introducing ground marines, I reckon that the average plastic crack addict will buy anything that could be considered "hype"

There's also the success of the Primaris Marines

[open pumice]

"Saved the fantasy IP"

fucking

that made my blood boil

[orchid thicket]

hahahaha sorry

I should have worded that better

[arctic talon]

It saved GW as a company

[open pumice]

AoS and warhammer fantasy are entirely separate and need to be treated as such

[arctic talon]

but it fucking killed fantasy

Fantasy died

[open pumice]

Not a good tradeoff TBH

[arctic talon]

lmfao

[orchid thicket]

lol

[open pumice]

I also woulnd't say ti saved GW as a company

[orchid thicket]

Well I may be inclined to agree

I still can't stand Primaris Marines

[open pumice]

but it definitely saved the hope of GW doing anything other than 30/40k

this is also a generally good argument

if 40k veers to close to HH's primarch worship

its going to cause problems

[arctic talon]

true tbh

[open pumice]

Honestly

Once old world comes out

[arctic talon]

I do like how the Guilliman haven't really managed to change anything overall

[open pumice]

i'll be able to live with AoS

[arctic talon]

I do hope with old world

they make it less expensive

to assemble a fantasy army

[open pumice]

Likely

[arctic talon]

mostly by reducing the ammount of line troops needed

[open pumice]

they'll do what they did with 30k

[arctic talon]

because gona be honest here

[open pumice]

Oh yeah

[arctic talon]

I don't think anyone wants 700+ skaven slaves

[open pumice]

no late fantasy

bad juju

[arctic talon]

to make an army lol

[open pumice]

Likely GW will make $300 box set liek they did for HH

that comes with an army out of the box at a reasonable size

[arctic talon]

prolly

ye

[open pumice]

Mega money value added

[arctic talon]

prolly empire armies?

[open pumice]

Definitely

[arctic talon]

Mostly since its the time of 3 kings

[open pumice]

it is the age of magnus the pious

[arctic talon]

is it magnus the pious?

[open pumice]

the magnus who actually did nothign wrong

[open pumice]

ye

It's magnus

[arctic talon]

True!

ah

then yeah

Empire V Empire stuff

[open pumice]

~2100 IC

[arctic talon]

or rather

[open pumice]

It's still empire V empire

but just civil war

[arctic talon]

yeah

[open pumice]

They may also come out with a battlebox

or like

2 box sets for norscan raiders and imperial forces

[arctic talon]

true

[open pumice]

First box is defo gonna be empire vs somethimg

Nagash was also active around 2100 ic

and no doubt malekith or morathi has some dubious scheme

I don't think there was a waagh durring the time of magnus

but I could be wrong

[arctic talon]

they could make one up

if they really wanted to

[open pumice]

Well yeah

Easily

without any trouble

[dense mortar]

When faced with difficult and morally questionable life decisions, I ask myself. . . what would the Inquisition do?

[odd palm]

[dense mortar]

Input into ChatGPT: Based on all available information on the Emperor, respond as if you were him to the following situation: I am a space marine with little to no skills and I approach the emperor, kneel before him, and profess my love for him in a very loud voice.

"My dear child, I am not the object of your affection. I am the Emperor of Mankind, and I have a great task for you to fulfill. You were created to be a warrior, to fight for the Imperium and protect humanity. It is time for you to step up and become the hero that you were meant to be. Channel your passion and devotion into your duty, and you will find that you can achieve greatness beyond what you ever thought possible."

He is so dreamy

[orchid thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/992789523262083182/1081897290702278707/glory_of_Thaddeus.mp4

Thaddeus is so useful

Since there's no 40k general chat or off-topic channels I'll just post the occasional DoW2 modding progress here

[urban spire]

i wish they'd roll back end times

setting old world a hundred years before end times isn't really a great fix

[echo vault]

But that would mean no ossiarch bonereapers

[celest dome]

Not a bad thing

But still, the End Time while it's lore is bad at least let them have more stable setting now

[echo vault]

Plus if the end times never happened we wouldn't have nagash

Well nagash alive

What a guy

[urban spire]

i don't begrudge age of sigmar its existence

i'd just rather they split the timeline

[echo vault]

Malekith is the true phoenix king cope

Virgin slavery haters vs Chad slavers

Screw your dwarf high king, rat time

https://tenor.com/view/stormvermin-warhammer-total-war-warhammer-fantasy-skaven-deviantart-muhut-gif-15698244

[celest dome]

Nagash was active for most of the Warhammer Fantasy timeline, he would die and resurect quite often

[crimson kayak]

i wouldn't really consider the AoS setting stable lol.

[crimson kayak]

it's basically a caring version of what he said to guilliman, without the constant hating while he asks him to unclog the toilet that is the imperium.

[dense mortar]

How might a daemonette speak to a human she is trying to seduce? Provide examples.

A daemonette might speak to a human she is trying to seduce in a seductive and alluring manner, using their otherworldly beauty and supernatural powers to entice and enchant the human. Here are some possible examples of how a daemonette might speak:

*"Mortal, come closer. Let me show you pleasures beyond your wildest dreams. I promise you won't regret it."

"Oh, how delicious you look, my dear. Let me take you in my arms and show you what true pleasure feels like."

"Why resist the temptation, mortal? Let me show you the ecstasy of surrendering to your desires."

"Do not be afraid, mortal. Let me show you the path to ultimate pleasure, where pain and pleasure become one."

"Your fear only makes you more alluring to me, mortal. Come closer, and I will show you the true meaning of ecstasy."*

Guys. . . . I think im broken. . .

[crimson kayak]

did the ai just use 5 different phrases to say literally just "yo, i got tha pleasure mate"

[signal bramble]

In the Angron book they show how daemonettes do that. A lot of suggestive body language and looks, their gaze and the perfumed scent of them to draw in mortals and lull them in to a stupor. When they charge they also dance and pirouette in ways that are just as suggestive and beautiful.
They generally use that to draw in mortals.

Now when they use words it’s a bit more direct then what you suggest as they’re able to simply gaze in to the souls of the ones they’re planning on tempting and offer it to them.

One of the daemonettes poses against a wall all sexy like and tries to lure in a Khorne Berzerker being driven by the nails that way.

[dense mortar]

well then

[near wasp]

let me guess it didnt work

[signal bramble]

No. No it didn’t. Her head got pulped with a Bolter shell.

[sleek garden]

howdy fellas, quick question,

in the current lore, what are the AdMechs upto?

[signal bramble]

Cawl is working on a way to gather black stone and close the rift.

Besides that the Admech is just doing the usual. Making stuff, praying to the machine god, and exploring for lost tech.

[sleek garden]

hmmm icic

another random question i thought up last night

what the hell is lorgar upto?

is he alive?

[signal bramble]

He is a daemon prince, he is functionally immortal.

[sleek garden]

oooooo

[copper patrol]

getting bullied by corvus

[sleek garden]

awesome

[signal bramble]

He is being hunted by Corax yes but nothing has come of that plot line in ages.

[sleek garden]

awww

sounded cool tho

alright 1 more question

how effective is the imperial guard while fighting chaos?

[signal bramble]

Depends.

[sleek garden]

[copper patrol]

chaos marines they are pretty bad, just rando chaos cults they kick the shit out of msot the time

[signal bramble]

Against chaos marines? Depends on the tactical situation. Against normal heretic cultists they do alright. Against daemons they usually get murdered.

[sleek garden]

so chaos cults right

are the cults usually just like

small pockets or are they like vast waves of cultists

[signal bramble]

As usual the answer is “it depends.”

The issue is “has the cult been able to infiltrate the upper ranks of the planet in some way?”

The longer it’s around the more likely it is for that to be the case.

Or during Vraks where it was just one dude that was secretly an agent of nurgle and subtly influenced a cardinal.

[crimson kayak]

as with any kind of fighting scenario's between factions, it's extremely on a case by case scenario

[urban spire]

sometimes the cultists are the lost and the damned, then it gets messy

guard vs guard

[copper patrol]

bloodpact my bois

[urban spire]

means there's probably going to be a big siege

[versed ledge]

So why are Nurgle zombies fast?

Also why are zombies in 40k joggers

[unborn lance]

cuz they aren't zombies, they're poxwalkers. You're being attacked by guys with a really really bad cold

[desert dust]

Recently finished armor of contempt.
It's got gaunt with his highly trained spec ops mission doing his thing and a young soldier getting absolutely wrecked in a penal/punishment troop.

I would say if you need a place taken in tact you need the guard.
If you want it turned into atoms you can just bomb it from orbit once the guard brings the shields down

[sleek garden]

guard gets the job done

[dire vapor]

ci ci ciaphus cain hero of the imperium!

[arctic talon]

Because their bodies are infused with warp stuff

Even if those bodies are falling apart

They can chase, climb and jump

The walking pox is also one of the strains that’s more mobile

The plague of unbelief pretty much makes generic slow zombies

[signal bramble]

Most of the in universe books depict them as the shambling slow type of zombies as well but that’s usually done to make them more scary. Parts of them getting hacked off by las bolts and they just keep coming.

[versed ledge]

In "Sepulturum" the zombies are depicted as reasonably fast, they can climb

[signal bramble]

In dark imperium they definitely do the shambling horde bit.

One of Nurgle’s gimmicks is that his units are slow but really hard to kill. Made me toy around with the idea of a mode where the zombies are much slower but harder to kill and need a bit more to be stunned.

[crimson kayak]

Also remember not all pox zombies are equal

As it depends on what kind of disease is used on the population

You could technically even have both fast and slow on the same place

[copper patrol]

that;s only the graoners iirc

poxwalkers are basically zombies

groaners are still mostly allive

[storm jungle]

Honestly they run because the plot wants them to.

Zombies over the last decades have either walked or ran, the shambling ones are just more popular so people are too used to that interpretation a lot.

[urban spire]

gonna blow y'alls minds

zombies aint real

they can do anything

hang on i think i may have fucked up the syntax there or something

is real, can't do anything. isn't real, can do anything.

hm

[storm jungle]

That was deep

[cyan oxide]

Is there a confirmed list of who the emperor was through history?

[storm jungle]

Minus Alexander the Great not really

probably as to avoid the cringe/touchy subjects

[versed ledge]

This, I want. Make it like no more room in hell, shambling hordes of undead, and can only be killed by headshots

[crimson kayak]

emperor canonically pulling a minion move and disappear when convenience strikes.

[versed ledge]

Also what can kill Nurgle zombies? Does shots to center mass work?

[copper patrol]

bullet

[crimson kayak]

depends on the type of pox

[versed ledge]

No kidding

There are different variants?!

[crimson kayak]

poxwalkers (infected/runner style of zombie) become so due to the walking pox, normal plague zombies (shambler/hit to the head style) from the Zombie Plague/Curse Of Unbelief, then there's Doubtworms wich are weird parasites type of zombies.

[storm jungle]

GW also mainly made a lot of these zombie units/lore around the mid 2000's when the zombie movie crazy was at its height.

Its why theres a lot of variants

[celest dome]

Saint Michael
And I though that he was lying about being Alexander the Great

[storm jungle]

Honestly probably.

[celest dome]

I've always preferred Imposter Emperor rather than Hero Emperor

[near wasp]

but you are a heretic so that makes sense

[storm jungle]

[dense mortar]

whats GW?

[mystic geyser]

@dense mortar Games Workshop

@cyan oxide not really. Confirming he was Alexander is pretty big. There's also a St George vs the dragon vibe to the Void dragon story.

But have to remember it isn't "our history" but a version of it where daemons and magic are real...

Now Oll Perrson, there's a guy who likes confirming he's in historical settings.

[urban spire]

i think the emperor as winston churchill is extremely appropriate but also really fucking funny

[cyan oxide]

either Winston Churchill or Douglass MacArthur

[glass pumice]

why the hell would the emperor be Alexander anyway

was he just flexin

[brisk beacon]

emperor is turkish what the fuck are you tailking

https://tenor.com/view/erdoğan-türkiye-ok-gif-26430596

[storm jungle]

As a Turk i must speak for my country while saying we do not sanction what Big E has done

[urban spire]

emperor is definitely a problematic like

super cancelled

[storm jungle]

[urban spire]

the inquisition reeling, never gonna recover from being cancelled

[brisk beacon]

you are fetöcü

[storm jungle]

No im not

I dont even like turkish politics

[brisk beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/emperor-gif-19620311

elhamdullah emperor is here

he is stealing but he is doing

[brisk beacon]

sounds like a heretic to me

https://tenor.com/view/rsx4-gif-21328683

[urban spire]

all my homies worship the god of hope

my god gives people magic powers and hover boards, your god is stuck in the toilet, we are not the same

[dire vapor]

Sire Melk refers to inquisitor Grendyll as a he, yet claims he’s served under her for years.

[storm jungle]

Hes being quite sus

[plain bolt]

Maybe Grendyl is multiple people

It does show different faces and speaks in different voices in that cutscene, on a servitor body.

[urban spire]

i will uncancel grendyl if he goes by he/her pronouns

[dire vapor]

Sounds inquisitory

[plain bolt]

[astral whale]

Wait. How do we know if “Inquisitor Grendyll“ isn’t a title?

You know because of Grendyll being a nod to the unstoppable monster from Beowulf. A figure that refuses to die no matter how much you throw at it. A monster in the form of man.

Also. It could just be that Grendyl prefers to keep things multiple choice kinda like a phantom.
They speak through acolytes/an inner circle. A masquerade: many faces, many voices.

[copper patrol]

most inquisitors are pretty wierd

so that'd match

[storm jungle]

Pretty much everyone refers to them as that name

If its a title it would be more obvious

[astral whale]

I mean like what if the name is more than one person. More than one person has taken the mantle of “Inquisitor Grendyll”

[uneven temple]

Grendyll Sr and Grendyll Jr

[storm jungle]

Turning into a game of among us at times point

[astral whale]

Say what you want, I like the whole nod to Grendel with the whole idea of them being an unkillable monster to the heretic and the criminal alike.

[storm jungle]

[dire vapor]

Nah, more likely she probably has doubles and many false ends to keep them from killing her

[uneven temple]

Perhaps Grendyll is just one of Cawl's many brain jars

[coarse mirage]

Turkey didn't exist 8000 B.C and wouldn't exist for another 9500 years

In fact no known empire would exist in the region until several thousand years later.

The Sumerians are the only well known civilization and that was the 5th millenium BC

[rose thorn]

okay i know this isnt exactly lore related, but i found this model on cults and im trying to figure out if its a refrence to something???

like

its a dreadnaught ashen circle of teh word bearers

this feels really fucking specific lmao

IDK

oh nvm i found their tumbler this is literally jsut their OC

its baller as fuck imighit use it as ademon prince

they said they made them to proxy for helldrakes but Eh

[gloomy citrus]

Never knew that the Word Bearers had such interesting units.

[viscid basin]

Shower thought: How do space marines poop? How do they bend over? Do they just pee and poop in suit? is there a full toilet reclamation system?

Also with the egregious proportions, are their skeletal structures modified so they're basically wendigo T-Posing people, since there's no way their armor is anatomically proportional to humans

[shy vale]

I frequently see this referenced but I'm not 100% sure how accurate it is

They are -wide-

[viscid basin]

That still wouldn't line up with how arms work. In Fallout 4/76, you see humans entire a power armor frame, and briefly see that they transition to a different animation skeleton

also if you n otice with this particular graphic itself, the proposed SM chest is actually larger than the actual armor to the right of it, and wouldn't fit

So you'd end up with wendigo arms, like fallout if you shaved the chest own proportionately

[shy vale]

I have another picture but the server seems to think it's explicit (it's their supposed bone structure/anatomy layered on top)

[viscid basin]

let alone the armor actually you know, being armor and taking space /v olume

feel free to DM me

but basically the skeleton required for actually being in PA of that size doesn't align up with human proportions

especially if you superimpose the picture of the basketball player with the PA here

you basically end up with the basketball player lifting their arms and they dangle downwards with large gaps in the arm pits

[viscid basin]

this is a really good photo, but in that how the proposed SM can't actually work with human like proportions

even 'extra wide'

So there's a superimposed 2D muscle man imposed on the armor

but the pivot points of the arms is all wrong

[shy vale]

Idk enough about anatomy to lean one way or the other, it's just one I see often when this comes up

[viscid basin]

to be correct, they need to be farther up and to the left and right

meaning you have to change the anatomy

the proposed chest is to ohead as well, not accounting for the size of the armor

same with head

Doing proper proportions so that the astartes can actually move along the proper animation pivots, and accounting for armor thickness means the creature is even more of a nonsense monster

more of something you'd see from a freakshow

his head would be way smaller than the rest of his body, the arm pits / arm sockets are stretched outwards

Tehe range of motion is incredibly bad here

Given this 3D model, not even sure if they can ever sit down or even turn their waists

Its the epitome of "i've fallen and can't get up"

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/01/6a/25/016a25ed30e16efbcd5e4968dc01e797.png

So this is official GW art

honestly, an astartes needs basically a bird anatomy to fit inside like this

longer neck, more widespread arms with crazy extra long

this is more like a pteradactyl without the wings

extra long limbs, and possibly longer neck to fit inside one of these things

[viscid basin]

The more I look at this, the more I realize you need bird arms to actually make the armor work

The 5'9 man actually fits perfectly in the center torso cavity of the Astartes armor

If the arms were purely mechanical, then it'd work fine

Otherwise if you tried to scale up, as with the 7'6 man, his head doesn't fit in the armor, and his arms don't reach the PA arms. his hips aren't wide enough either

https://twitter.com/sesamestreet/status/531911797821825027

You need something closer to big bird, except the arms higher up and longer

Sesame Street (@sesamestreet)

Big Bird is 8’2” tall. Or about two and a half meters. #45SesameFacts

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(who is canonically 8'2 tall)

[crimson kayak]

Guys do I have to remember you we do have a full official animation of an astartes suiting up?

And it's even a primaris so it's even bigger than standard astartes?

[urban spire]

spaghetti men

space marines are awful and don't make sense and i want them gone from the setting

[urban spire]

their proportions are like that so they'll be easier to paint

[celest dome]

Even "True Scale" SM miniature some people makes are quite badly proportioned

[crimson kayak]

Ench why I talked about the suit up animation, as it clearly has better proportions regarding armor to body size

[urban spire]

do you want to link it

[crimson kayak]

https://youtu.be/y3DsHGDRQ5M

It's a primaris through, so they start with the advantage of actually having joints in the armour

[urban spire]

there are quite a lot of cuts there

[crimson kayak]

This one instead makes people remember that space marine armour is not just the slabs of ceramite we see

[crimson kayak]

I mean, just throw some parts of the iron man suit up animation and you should get the idea

[urban spire]

also i want to point out

the black carapace makes no sense

[crimson kayak]

Gonna give a reason or just throwing this info out randomly?

[urban spire]

doing some quick research to back my statement up

[crimson kayak]

It's literally just a fantasy material Implanted under the skin to make astartes use their tech better

[urban spire]

yeah, it's completely superfluous, it's just there for the sake of being another big invasive implant space marines can have

power armour works fine without it, and the mind interface function can be done with WAY less invasive implants

[crimson kayak]

We are talking about the guys with 19 additional organs and you point out that the one that makes you interact with machinery without using inputs is dumber than let's say, eating enemy brains for their knowledge?

[urban spire]

it bothers me personally because force feedback technology was invented in the 60s

it's old by our standards

[crimson kayak]

Eeeeh, this is different through

Black carapace connects the entire armour system (or the entire vehicle) as it's part of the user's actual body

Giving them instinctual level of proficiency with using said armour/vehicle functions, just like it was their naked ass body.

[urban spire]

so does an MIU

[crimson kayak]

Miu are a thing in 40k too

[urban spire]

and if you want to get really technical, putting an interface under the skin at the location the armour makes physical contact with is actually slower than just plugging it straight into the spine the way the admechs do it, since you'll have to go through the "regular" nerves in the body

yeah that's my point, the admech and imperial pilots use MIUs

[crimson kayak]

nope

Titans use MIU

And titan pilots are not always known for actually being able to ever get out of said titan

Knights use a similar thing too

Following the same risks

Standard guard pilots DON'T use them

And admech is more machine to begin with

Essencially 40k MIU= in between 50 and 100% chance you are never getting out of where you seated for piloting the thing

Ench why only tech priests use body Miu for bionics

[urban spire]

titans are a special case because of the machine spirit in question

off the top of my head, eisenhorn's pilot has an MIU

MIUs are used to control weaponry not wielded in traditional fashion, e.g. wrist or shoulder mounted

[crimson kayak]

And who has this equipment? Only techpriest

Or marines, but they use the black carapace which is literally a better Miu without the amniotic tank or needing 10 thousand augments for keeping a shoulder bolter

Is we want to talk about convenient ones, the Tau make better MIU

Except for when your battlesuit gets his head damaged and you get into a fucking coma for it

[urban spire]

the type the mechanicus uses is actually more sophisticated than the vehicle/weapon control variant, since it can be used to interface with a wider range of devices

[crimson kayak]

Yes, ench why they are the only ones able to handle them without amniotic tank

Or other vehicle specialized equipment

[urban spire]

well what about eisenhorn's pilot then, they just had grafts in their hands for flying regular-ass imperial vehicles

they didn't need a big tank, or run any risk of getting permanently stuck in a valkyrie

[crimson kayak]

That's more like servitor hands than an miu

And bionics do use a very minor form of Miu

[urban spire]

nothing servitor-like about them, they still had the use of their hands

[crimson kayak]

Wait, then I'll have to check

I may be remembering wrong

[urban spire]

it's been a grip of years since i read the eisenhorn novels, apologies if i remembered it wrong

[crimson kayak]

Ok, checked, eisenhorn pilot uses bullshit plot tech

So it's even a more specific case than usual for him

[urban spire]

well, as much as i love dan abnett he does just make a lot of shit up

[crimson kayak]

wich i mean, for 40k it's fine considering how vast and different it already is

[urban spire]

shoutsout to every MBT in the early gaunt's ghost novels being complete fabrications

unless he was just studiously avoiding the term "leman russ"

anyway, for the emperor's angels of death, i think a regular-ass mechanicus MIU isn't too big of an ask from the cogboys

[crimson kayak]

yeah but mechanicus MIU operate worse

like sure, an apple watch is certainly easier to access especially if you are a bilionaire, but it aint no super computer

[urban spire]

directly interfacing with the brain through the spinal chord is worse than going through a weird subdermal plate?

[crimson kayak]

the plate literally connects your entire nervous system to the well, system platform

[urban spire]

that actually adds more points of failure to the system

[crimson kayak]

mcguffin material has mcguffin resistance to damage

and it's also the only way to inferface with power armour

[urban spire]

right, it's just gratuitous for the sake of being gratuitous, like everything about space marines

[crimson kayak]

90% of space marine stuff originally was literally "lol only they can use all of this conveniently"

[urban spire]

also mechanicus enginseers wear power armour interfaced through their MIU don't they

[crimson kayak]

different kind

and also easier to maintain when you are a walking computer

no need to inferface with a nervous system if i don't have it anymore.

[urban spire]

it's hardly convenient considering how much work goes into making a space marine

it's like DECADES of work to make a single scout, and even once they're fully space marines you still just have a somewhat above average soldier who can be turned into a goo by a tau guy half a kilometer away

AND THEIR PAULDRONS ARE DUMB

[crimson kayak]

astartes proficiency is directly related to who writes them

[urban spire]

yeah

that astartes fan animation is a great example of that

[crimson kayak]

also yes, pauldrons are dumb, but that's a known fact and now too iconic to remove

[urban spire]

the pauldrons are like that because they're easy to paint on the models

space marines are great for getting into painting models

[crimson kayak]

anyhow, if you want a lore excuse, consider space marine implants as the biological version of mechanicus tech

[urban spire]

a lot of large surfaces with uniform colour, i'm not even going to disparage that aspect of it

[crimson kayak]

also the black carapace hardens

so it works as subdermal armour too

[urban spire]

yeah and their ribs turn into a solid bullet proof chest plate, and they've got two hearts, six livers, and something called a ra's vacoule

[crimson kayak]

yes

[urban spire]

and they spit acid and can eat brains to gain knowledge

[crimson kayak]

so everything is in place to protect the carapace, as you have to consider the armour too

[urban spire]

and their weapons and armour is all the best in the imperium

it's too much, i hate them so much

[crimson kayak]

it's.... it's actually not

it's said so yeah

[urban spire]

well no, not technically, the mechanicus does actually have them beat by virtue of hoarding all the old cool shit

[celest dome]

Space Marine are what happen when you tell someone that they need to over invest in their troops' equipement but they are stupid

[urban spire]

but you wouldn't know it by looking at the tabletop

[celest dome]

And the Banana boys

[urban spire]

aren't the banana boys a branch of the space marines?

[crimson kayak]

lol no

they are the space marines of space marines let's say

[celest dome]

In essence, yes

But in reality no

[crimson kayak]

yeah, it was too put it in general terms

[urban spire]

aren't the primaris marines also the space marines of the space marines

and the grey knights

[crimson kayak]

grey knights are daemon fighting only

regarding the "power up over the power up"

primaris yes, but they are new

[celest dome]

No, Primaris are to the Space Marine what the SM are to Thunder Warrior, mostly fixing design flaws and such

[crimson kayak]

to be more specific, custodes are each hand-made, so no one is alike

[urban spire]

you know, cawl could very easily be called a heretek

[celest dome]

Oh he is, for at least a part of the Admech

[urban spire]

(which is cool and based)

[crimson kayak]

i mean, he's literally the only guy that tried to think "wait, maybe we can make new stuff?"

[celest dome]

Wasn't Arkhan also accused of being a Heretek ?

[crimson kayak]

me instantly thinking of Arkhan the black and imagining him as a skeleton tech priest

[urban spire]

the admech has too many rules, you can fry basically anyone doing anything more complicated than operating bicycle as a heretek

[celest dome]

Techno Monkey

[crimson kayak]

yep, ench why my preferred ones are the biologis guys

[celest dome]

Same way for the Imperial Law

[urban spire]

that's true of law in general

[celest dome]

Iirc there is a passage that tell about young Tech Priest who become Explorators to be more independent to the Admech rules and be able to invent stuff and then just make it look like they found an STC

[urban spire]

yeah innovation isn't THAT rare in the admech, they just have to do a lot of work to conceal it as "recently rediscovered technology"

or just be powerful enough that nobody can touch you for it

or you know, grab xenos tech, paint it red, and go "we rediscovered this :)"

[crimson kayak]

btw, found another reason for why the black carapace being organic is better than an Miu, emp resistance

[urban spire]

modern military equipment in real life is already emp resistant

[crimson kayak]

but is it bullshit 40k alien/warp emp resistant?

[urban spire]

i don't think you can just emp a space marine

well you got me there, but a haywire grenade will still disable the power armour won't it

idk, let's look that up

[crimson kayak]

i mean, if it's connected to the black carapace i don't think it deactivates

maybe slow down

[celest dome]

We have a Machine Spirit that locked a SM into place, but I think it was with the armour and not the Black carapace

[urban spire]

well, i don't have my 40k rpg books available right now, so i can't actually look up what a haywire grenade does to space marine power armour specifically

[crimson kayak]

the armour is directly connected to the carapace and by extension the marine's body through

[crimson kayak]

haywire don't have effect on biological stuff, in 1st edition it was able too.

[urban spire]

power armour is still powered by

well, power

[crimson kayak]

well, point given there

well, looked around a bit, and as usual... it depends, most of the time marine armour is emp-proof, but there have been cases of haywire attacks actually deactivating/slowing down armour functions.

[urban spire]

depends on the writer i'll bet

[crimson kayak]

both the writer and if it's bullshit tech (like the necron tower that just says "lolno" to all electronics) or plot convenience

for example, standard haywire weapons of dark eldar are said to deactivate land raiders and normal tanks in a single shot.

yet they never once do so outside of their own codex as far as i remember

[celest dome]

Slight transgression, but is you profile picture from Sword comics ?

[urban spire]

that's a digression, not to be too nitpicky

i guess you could construe it as a transgression

you have transgressed against the conversation

your punishment is to redeem yourself in the penal legions by finding death against the enemies of mankind

sorry

anyway i don't like necrons either, they're kinda way too over the top as well

i mean they're almost cool, but some of the shit they got like the map of the galaxy that lets you destroy stars by just rubbing them out? neh

[celest dome]

You'll never get me alive Enforcer

[crimson kayak]

Yes, modified it myself from the old random stabatar thing for patreons

[versed ledge]

If there's one thing from 40k that can become reality, what would it be?

[urban spire]

i mean we're getting there with power armour

do you mean to ask if there's one thing we wish was real, or one thing that will probably become real?

[signal bramble]

A dystopia of hard labor and stripped individual rights.

[rose thorn]

Hey, yeah it’s not an official model but it’s a reference to the ashen circle who’s job was to basically bum rush civilizations and murder all the elders, libraries, and churches they can before lorgar puts his religion in town

Which was soon repurposed for the horus heresy to do the same but to people lmao

And I’m pretty sure after the death of uh……… someone i don’t remember,, they were just kinda forgotten about it and was replaced with raptors

There’s like 10 important word bearer characters who fucking died, cause of death ‘during the horus heresy’

There’s a lot of characters who died with no context to their death actually-

Didn’t GW gaslight night lord fans into thinking one of their main characters died?

[versed ledge]

Yeah.... that's going to happen if we don't do anything

[rose thorn]

A god emperor with an ego as fragile as silence

[crimson kayak]

"in the grim darkness of the not so far future, there is only war"

[celest dome]

Didn't they do that to themselves ?

Was about Sevatar iirc ?

[rose thorn]

I think??? Idk night lords lord I just know someone didn’t die and then curze asked soMeone if said character died and the other guy said ‘oh yeah he’s dead’ and curze was like ‘oh… ok’

[dense mortar]

The Unification Wars prove the benevolent Emperor was actually a good person.

[crimson kayak]

proceeds to exterminate the thunder warriors with his new army of iphones after they pull the majority of the work

[dense mortar]

Its the INTENT that matters here

His intent was to unify mankind and eradicate war, famine, and disease.

A truly great man.

[crimson kayak]

And we can see how that went lol

Unification wars was just a step in the grand scheme of things

He just couldn't have pulled a great crusade without first having full control of the system

[dense mortar]

EXHIBIT #2 of why he was a great man deep down: The creation and care for the primarchs. He went to delicate links to even give each one their own personalities.

Why not just make them mindless zombies? Becuase he is a loving emperor.

[crimson kayak]

proceeds to refer to them as tools

[celest dome]

Intent doesn't mean squat

[celest dome]

Worse than tool in some cases

[dense mortar]

Exhibit number 3. The webway project. By its very nature was designed to PROTECT humans so they could freely travel. Your honor, I rest my case.

https://tenor.com/view/bill-murray-king-award-promotion-applause-gif-12365402

[crimson kayak]

Let's completely forget how untold billions would die during the process of making that work

Also the webway project would be kinda moot if the emperor won, as by that point humanity would dominate realspace

[storm jungle]

Also to add to Monsi's case

Emperor says he isnt like other tyrants

also says

"I know I'm right."

[crimson kayak]

I mean, on a completely detached from humanity perspective he is

[dense mortar]

Both of your attempts to dissuade my loyalty to the Emperor have been reported to the Inquisition.

[copper patrol]

He is

[storm jungle]

He's really not.

Thats kinda the point of that line

[copper patrol]

(/s)

[storm jungle]

KSDFKLDS

but its basically the same logic as

"If we killed humanity nature would prosper and earth would become a better place."

Its true but not really from a human POV lmao

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-spongebob-meme-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-screaming-spongebob-scared-gif-22994973

[crimson kayak]

Ench why I said from a detached perspective

[pale onyx]

Hey is it true that the god emperor of man kind transformed into a little girl, went into tzeetch impossible maze and got through it with ease and left. Just to fuck with tzeetch

[storm jungle]

Nah

thats just a Wizard of Oz joke

[storm jungle]

[pale onyx]

Damn

[storm jungle]

Yeah its more just a "le funny" entry

its good tho so im not complaining

[pale onyx]

I’m kinda sad my favorite two gods, the god emperor of mankind. And Nurgle. Why can’t they just get along

That they fought

Idk why my dimbass didn’t add that in there

[storm jungle]

Nurgle was smelly, its his own fault

[pale onyx]

But he loved his followers

[dense mortar]

EXHIBIT 4! The man is LITERALLY wasting away to keep humanity safe

[pale onyx]

Loves

[dense mortar]

In a vegetative comma

for untold years

For you, and me

[pale onyx]

We talking about how based the god emperor of mankind is?

[dense mortar]

Blesses be upon him

[dense mortar]

Most indeed

Careful though, we have Chaos sympathizers in our mists.

[pale onyx]

I love how he hesitated to kill Horus, shows he is still human who struggles to kill his own son. But ofcourse now he has been elevated to godhood

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/general-grievous-galactic-republic-gif-21430967

[pale onyx]

Who among us is this heretic

[urban spire]

it's me, i am the heretic

tzeentch rules empra drools

anyway he's stuck on that chair protecting humanity from a problem he himself created

he was the architect of his own demise

he left the galaxy worse than he found it

[pale onyx]

Bro the chaos gods turned his sons against him and then blew a moon sized hole into HIS warp gate Property

[storm jungle]

You do realise his sons were already pretty shitty due to him right

[urban spire]

literally all he had to do was hug horus

[pale onyx]

Cap, chaos gods sent him away

[urban spire]

and all this could have been averted

[pale onyx]

Big E can do no wrong

[storm jungle]

Hes pretty sussy

vent him

[urban spire]

my god is the god of hope, the emperor is the god of constipation

[pale onyx]

Among us

[pale onyx]

Who’s your god

[urban spire]

who knows

[pale onyx]

Your gods a literal troll

[urban spire]

he is the god of hope, change, magic powers and hoverboards

[pale onyx]

This man got mind fucked by tzeetch

Like let me rate the gods for you

[urban spire]

i am not a man

[crimson kayak]

Not like he really had a choice in the matter

[pale onyx]

The Big E
Nurgle
Khorne
Slaanesh
Tzeetch

[pale onyx]

He could of just said fuck it let humanity burn and then die. He would of just come back

[urban spire]

it's fine if you don't believe in change

change still believes in you

[pale onyx]

Actually I’m a based the cycle enjoyer. Nurgle style

The only thing tzeetch has going for him is the drip

[urban spire]

and the hoverboards

and the hope

and the dope magic powers

[crimson kayak]

You... You can't just say "fuck it we ball" and die if on life support, you are literally forcefully being kept alive

[pale onyx]

No I meant choose not to@be on life support in the first place. Or send a message to his custodies to pull the plug

[urban spire]

the emperor could probably just will himself to death, i could see him doing some spiteful shit like that

anyway i don't think the emperor would just come back at this point

there are more humans in the galaxy than anything else, except maybe orks, and most of them believe the emperor is a god

if he dies we're probably getting a fifth chaos god

[pale onyx]

He’d come back he is the special type of human that does come back on death

Now I don’t know how it works now that he’s a god tho

[urban spire]

he's not a god yet

[pale onyx]

He bitch slapped Nurgle and burned his gardens

[urban spire]

but humanity is more psychically active than ever with the cicatrix maledictum, i don't think he could just come back like a normal perpetual

he did what

when did that happen

[pale onyx]

Tau loving Humanity literally made a manifestation in the war of the greater good. The amount of humans who believe in the big E is way more

[urban spire]

well kind of a defining feature of warp gods is that they're stuck in the warp

it's a problem for them

[pale onyx]

God blight book or whatever it’s called. When gulliman spanked morty

[urban spire]

i'm not familiar with it

[pale onyx]

YouTube recap

I’m serious

Big E bitch slapped Nurgle it’s cannon. He’s a god if he’s able to do that

He better toilet swirl tzeetch next

[urban spire]

he may be jumpstarting his apotheosis, but he's not a god yet

the birth of a warp god is an apocalyptic event

the last time it happened was the fall of the eldar

[copper patrol]

iirc

[urban spire]

either way i'm not worried, you can't defeat the god of change by changing

[copper patrol]

only slaanesh had that happen

there was echos sure but the others didn't explode out like slaanesh did

[urban spire]

the other three are WAY older than slaanesh, they may have had a similar event

[pale onyx]

The rift made warp energies more uh energized. That’s what awoke the big E and made him a god that he is today

If he’s able to bitch slap Nurgle AND make daemons (saints) he’s a god

[urban spire]

a minor god maybe

nurgle is still there, presumably

not that i have any love for the god of stagnation

[pale onyx]

Nurgle is still there 100%. It was just a smite

[pale onyx]

You really saying he not a god because you’re a heretic

[urban spire]

technically that makes me a blasphemer, not a heretic

and a heathen

[pale onyx]

Anyways I bet the four chaos gods are collectively shitting themselves because the big E did that to one of their own. I can’t wait to see what they gonna do to retaliate

[dense mortar]

The emperor made a conscious decisions to sit on the throne. This decision was vested in the idea that by doing so, sacrificing himself, humanity would live on. Not to mention he is constantly funneling his psychic energy to allow humanity to navigate the warp. The man is a hero.

[urban spire]

he created the problem in the first place, taking responsibility leaves him neutral at best

except he also left humanity in a WAY worse place than they were in when he started

[versed ledge]

The emperor of man on his glorious golden toilet

[urban spire]

the god of both constipation and incontinence

[modern tapir]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ikotzFTuzik

[rose thorn]

The emperor is the person who creates a problem, fixes the problem by making a new problem that nullified the old one

Made a deal with chaos? make a throne that blocks chaos but requires souls to run it

[jaunty hedge]

My headcannon that when he is acually killed he will be come a true God, based on the sheer size of the empire of man and the number of worshipers he has

[urban spire]

maybe

he doesn't represent any emotion

[pale onyx]

The four chaos gods don’t represent emotions specifically like Nurgle

[urban spire]

hopelessness, despair

the chaos gods are gods of emotion

among other things

[pale onyx]

Cap

Slaneesh mainly is excess. Khorne mainly is war
Nurgle mainly is the cycle of life and death and rebirth.
Tzeetch mainly is a bitch

[urban spire]

sure

[pale onyx]

That’s what the virgin chaos worshippers (not Nurgle) want you to believe

[urban spire]

slaanesh is passion and lust, khorne is anger and valor, tzeentch is hope and the desire for a better tomorrow

[pale onyx]

I’ve never heard such chaos propaganda

[urban spire]

it's old lore, it doesn't get brought up much anymore

chaos is just saturday morning cartoon villains, it sucks so fucking bad

i prefer to believe in chaos with some character to it, some moral complexity

[pale onyx]

Chaos is evil because that’s what mainly is in the universe. They do represent that other stuff but mainly the bad since so much bad shit goes on.

[urban spire]

sure there's some of that

but it doesn't make for interesting villains

[pale onyx]

Well they aren’t the only villains and it’s always some reality warping shit with them so that’s why I like them. And maybe they them selves aren’t interesting but their named daemons and followers are

[urban spire]

too cartoony imo

still love tzeentch though

[pale onyx]

You can’t tell me the chad plague toads aren’t interesting in depth great villains

Truly the horror of the universe

[urban spire]

listen i love a big toad

but they are as deep as their native puddles

the only daemons i really dislike are bloodletters

the god of war should have more disciplined troops

[pale onyx]

He’s the god of rage too though

[urban spire]

bloodletters are just rabble

yeah and valor and martial prowess

bloodletters have no pride in their formations, they barely have formations

[pale onyx]

I mean, a chaos god. God of rage. Encourages spilling blood and skinning skulls. What kinda daemon did you expect as footmen for khorne

[urban spire]

they just look like shit

imo

[torpid narwhal]

What are kastodeans

[urban spire]

if warriors of khorne can hold a formation the daemons certainly should be able to

[urban spire]

custodians?

[torpid narwhal]

That to

[urban spire]

they are the emperor's very special boys

[storm jungle]

The Emperor's giga-genetically-enhanced bodyguards

[torpid narwhal]

Do they know he's not a real god

[urban spire]

i like you

[storm jungle]

Yes

they hate the wider Imperium for it

lmao

[torpid narwhal]

[storm jungle]

Yeah its great

they are like "This is such bullshit holy hell"

[torpid narwhal]

Why do they hate space marines

[storm jungle]

Basically imagine

you are the peak form of man

a great warrior, have hobbies, pretty much a gigachad

[torpid narwhal]

I can't

[storm jungle]

now take those

reverse it

and put it in a gorilla in power armor

Space Marines are mass-produced killing machines, Custodians have always distrusted them and have even more so after the Heresy

[torpid narwhal]

They see them as cheap copys

[urban spire]

weird definition of mass production you got there

[storm jungle]

KEK its true tho

but yeah its mostly that

I dont really blame them for it either

[torpid narwhal]

[storm jungle]

look at the Black Templars

or Flesh Tearers

or the Emperor's Scythes

[urban spire]

the emperor's perfect himbos

[storm jungle]

or the Soul Drinkers

https://tenor.com/view/list-to-do-long-first-list-of-things-gif-4577829

but id suggest reading the lexi

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Adeptus_Custodes

As usual, short and explains it the best

[arctic talon]

Also like half the marines went traitor

During the heresy

[storm jungle]

Yeah this too.

[arctic talon]

so they’re pretty unhappy about that

[urban spire]

the traitor legions are based actually

[arctic talon]

True!

[storm jungle]

Valdor (the head of the Custodes) pretty much had the best idea

which was having the custodians act as generals

people dont really like the idea that Marines are not really needed for the Imperium in its early age

They already have a pro-army that can crack almost everything

put some diet demi-gods as their leaders who are nigh incorruptible and you got a good recipe for a conquest

but that didnt happen because plot

[arctic talon]

They really didn’t need the marines for Sol

Or for a large chunk of the early crusade

Lol

[storm jungle]

Pretty much.

[arctic talon]

The mid crusade period they’d prolly need them

But they wouldn’t need them in the later periods

[storm jungle]

Yeah its kinda like how you could make the Imperium like the Galactic Empire where Marines never existed in the setting, the writers would just make the common/elite soldiers always securing victories.

They just exist because toys

https://tenor.com/view/buzz-lightyear-gif-21327280

[torpid narwhal]

@storm jungle is that how the space Marines see the ultra marines

[storm jungle]

Yes

[urban spire]

ultra marines are just normal space marines

[storm jungle]

tho thats also how I see every space marine

[urban spire]

there is nothing actually special about them

[storm jungle]

its a matter of perspective really

[torpid narwhal]

How the turn tables

[pale onyx]

Accounting skills

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/table-meme-relatable-goofy-ahh-table-fall-gif-26473613

[urban spire]

mood

[brisk beacon]

I think their thing is “good at everything master at nothing” jack of all trades type of situation

[urban spire]

isn't that the imperial fists

[iron locust]

No the Imperial fists are the fortify and defend guys

[winter vessel]

What’s the difference in the piloting mechanisms between a Titan and an Imperial Knight?

[signal bramble]

The first and most significant is that even the smallest Titan requires a crew of at least 3 with the bigger titans requiring much more than that.

While a knight of any size only needs a single pilot.

The princeps who commands a Titan are extremely valuable and hard to replace as well and the Admech will expend significant resources to retrieve them.

Also knights are much smaller than titans.

The war hound Titan is nearly twice as big as a large knight.

And the war hound is the smallest.

Knights use either a command helmet (for armigers) or plug themselves in to a neural link in a throne for the bigger knights.

According to books the titans have a variety of stations. Ranging from gunners to augurs (radar) to repair technicians to monitor the systems, etc.

And for the biggest titans the princeps will often be interred directly inside the machine via an amniotic tank or directly wired in to it.

Knight lore is my specialty.

So feel free to ask me anything.

[winter vessel]

So a knight is pretty much like the same principle for a pilot and a jaeger in Pacific Rim whereas a Titan you are the war machine? And knight houses can trace their lineage as far back as the DAOT?

[signal bramble]

A knight is more like a mech Walker from battletech.

A Titan is more akin to a walking fortress.

Most knight houses can yes. They’re planets that were colonized and over time developed in to their medieval hierarchies.

[winter vessel]

Think that’s one of the coolest details I’ve known about Knight houses. Like compared to how the imperium underwent massive changes and development even before the HH, the houses seem like the ones who didn’t have to evolve so drastically.

[signal bramble]

They murdered all the psykers as witches and prevented a lot of bad stuff from happening as a result.

Of course they eventually lost the tech to maintain their machines.

Though once they reunited with the Admech that issue was solved. Per the knights codex, the Admech regularly deliver new knight suits in exchange for resources and service. So it’s logical to assume knights aren’t difficult to make (relatively speaking) for the tech priests.

[winter vessel]

So I see. Also I do like how some of the head designs actually do look like helmets worn by the knights of the Middle Ages. Something about the blend between medieval design with future tech is always appealing to my eyes.

[signal bramble]

It’s meant to evoke their noble status and such.

Big powerful warriors etc.

[winter vessel]

Certainly do a cracking good job at doing it.

[versed ledge]

I wish rejuvenae treatment was a thing IRL

Imperial nobles or decently well to do folks have access to regenerative treatment that reduces or halts aging

That would be nice

[desert dust]

Horus heresy book 9 has a ton of titan info and fighting.
But a dread is a more like a tiny titan since the pilot has to hook his whole nerves system into it.
A knight is more like walking tank.
Also titans got crazy strong sprits the pilots constantly trying to keep in check or he losses all ego.

[desert dust]

They got like 500 years max unless you put on some real crazy impossible to get suit that let's you live 1500 while constantly on the edge of dying

[versed ledge]

Still a little more time to play and live is nice 500 years and with certain skin treatments and surgery, one can look eternally young

I mean who doesn't want to live forever , right?

[storm jungle]

Living forever has its downsides

you will need a lot of hobbies

its how some necrons keep themselves sane

[desert dust]

You also want to be healthy if your 500 and feel 500 then your fucked

Imagine been hooked on drugs for 500 years

[storm jungle]

Yeah for normal humans it sucks

Astartes/Custodes get the best of it

Though there ARE alternatives

||For example travelling through the webway can actively de-age you, but good luck getting there ||

[versed ledge]

Video games and anime will probably help

[storm jungle]

[versed ledge]

Lore wise, Slaaneshi pursuits help too

But don't Slaanesh followers get bored too?

[iron locust]

As long as interesting things are happening, Trazyn is never gonna be bored.

[viscid basin]

they’re painted blue and written by one guy! ( mostly) /s

[viscid basin]

calling necrons sane pffft

[storm jungle]

Thats pretty much how he literally says it yeah

Unless he had no hobby he admits he'd basically go insane

[iron locust]

How are the knight worlds in Nihilus doing

[viscid basin]

@urban spire So i took screenshots from the video snd it entirely relies on cuts ( as you said) and illusions, to make the viewer focus and forget what happened.

when comparing side by side the before and after same camera angle, you can tell there is no way that before view can actually fit in the after when superimposed

i.e, if his waist lines up with his armpits , then as with other models of oversized pa and shoulders, the arms on the pa are too far out

[signal bramble]

None of the imperial worlds are doing well there.

[viscid basin]

gumby and spaghetti man are valid criticisms

[iron locust]

Well, are they relatively better

I mean, didn’t they survive the Age of Strife?

[storm jungle]

Theres a difference between that

and the entire galaxy being torn in half

and chaos reigning supreme

[iron locust]

Is the actual nihilus part more susceptible to warp storms

[storm jungle]

Yes

[versed ledge]

What do you guys think space marines or sisters of battle do for fun?

[storm jungle]

the chaos codex more or less confirms that

[versed ledge]

Does fun even register for the servants of the golden toilet?

[storm jungle]

Some Marines have hobbies some dont

so as usual "it depends"

Sisters are usually just either training, praying or doing minor activities you'd expect nuns to do

[versed ledge]

Meaning for the sisters, there is no fun involved

[storm jungle]

I mean again, it depends

the books dont really go into their hobbies

[viscid basin]

dating ogryn females kek

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

Sisters canonically get down and dirty with who they please when they can so tbh they probably have a fair amount of hobbies

But yea, it depends

[signal bramble]

Depends on the chapter.

Sisters probably train and pray, they attend lessons, and do some other stuff in their downtime.

In one of the Cain novels a sister of battle is secretly hooking up with a much older adminstratum clerk. Cain spots her on her way back one night and while she isn’t wearing her armor the chainsword apparently stays on. >_>;

[signal bramble]

In addition to this it should be noted that “fun” is relative.

In the flesh tearers novel that came out, in their spare time they love sparring and beating the shit out of each other.

[coarse mirage]

Has anyone in here read the Clonelord?

I'm at a part that I think I've never heard anything about anywhere

[signal bramble]

I have not.

But I’ve never really looked at the Fabius novels.

[coarse mirage]

They're at some location in space:

[crisp heath]

a fairly common occurance in 40k

[coarse mirage]

||"It looks strange", Palos grunted. "Like it is there, but not. A mirage of starlight."
"It is real enough but something about it baffles the ships sensors." Arkanex leaned forward over the rail. "Fulgrim made mention of it once. Apparently, one of the two Forgotten Ones was said to have lead an expedition to its black heart in the early centuries of the Great Crusades. Though why he was out this far and what he might've found was never recorded."||

Does it refer to the lost primarchs?

[signal bramble]

Yes yes it does.

[coarse mirage]

Neat!

So it seems one of them learned too much or even turned quite early

[orchid thicket]

Gotta love that superhuman will

[open pumice]

I love that they left this vague thru the heresy

so its still up to us to decide for ourselves what happened

[crimson kayak]

Sadly i had to resize the unarmored image as it's shot closer, but superimposing it over the armored one by following the size of the machinery around him reveals it's actually pretty close

the fact the armoured one also has the platform rise up for the shoulderpads didn't help

the arms are just more open due to having to install the shoulderpads

anyhow, no matter how many cuts and such you are going for, it's still 3d models we are talking about and not 2d animation, not as easy to make cut tricks unless you want to have 300 marine models with different sizes at different points of the animation for each and every single piece of armour.

[crimson kayak]

superimposing it using the aquila behin meanwhile makes him much bigger, but that's due to the different angles of the shot

[crimson kayak]

more clear version

like, the funnier part is knowing marines wear boats for shoes.

[celest dome]

Look at their vehicle, it's proof that they are clown, big shoes, vehicle that are too small

[gloomy citrus]

Is it just me, or does the skull symbol on that shoulderpad look simmilar to the Night Lords symbol?

[crimson kayak]

kinda does, but night lords have bat wings

[gloomy citrus]

Well, yeah.

[crimson kayak]

also didn't notice that we will have a different version of the eliminator bolt pistol on space marine 2

[gloomy citrus]

I don't know.

There is a lot of versions.

[crimson kayak]

considering it's primaris not anymore really.

they are pretty much standardized

[gloomy citrus]

How does a Firstborn become a Primaris anyway?

[viscid basin]

really nice job. i think still the most obvious bits are the placement of armpits and where the arms should pivot.

boat shoes are funny af. it actually does make sense for the shoes to be bigger assuming more mass,

the before picture arms are still too short even though this is closer.

[echo vault]

What's your favorite type of dreadnought? I like the deredeo dreadnought

[crimson kayak]

Going through the Rubicon Primaris

[echo vault]

It would be hilarious as fuck if they did a Rubicon dreadnoughticus where they take the regular boxnaut and make it into a redemptor, not worth the effort but funny to imagine

[urban spire]

why is it called the rubicon anyway

the rubicon is a river

[crimson kayak]

a bit of those is me doing it really fast, but yeah, the arms are slightly, like a finger length at most, shorter while without armour, but we should also consider that power armour by itself is big, so i just give that to the armour size.

[crimson kayak]

maybe something something crossing the rubicon means taking an unrevocable decision something something

Italian lore be like

[urban spire]

cawl is italian confirmed

[echo vault]

The primaris process is gross AF they basically peel the marines skin off and open them up to add shit like the bellisarian furnace and the leg metal coil things

[crimson kayak]

i mean, pulling shady shit for years without anyone looking and then becoming part of the government is really italian.

[viscid basin]

I still think the pa is too big for proportionate sizes. you need to redo the skeleton

become bird man or spaghetti’s man

[crimson kayak]

i mean, they already go through that for the black carapace

[echo vault]

I always imagine the surgeons having to put calgar back together like they're building something in Lego star wars just hoping he lives

[urban spire]

problem is you can't have the thick chest plate and thick upper arm plates and have the arms make sense

[echo vault]

I just remember the description of the process in the mephiston book being like that

[urban spire]

thin armour there would be fine with the gigantic pauldrons, but it's still space marine thicc

[viscid basin]

it’s definitely not impossible but underneath the armor you need to become a hideous abomination for SM to work

[viscid basin]

nor would the pivot points make sense

you have to consider where the joints actually are

[crimson kayak]

funnier when you think that this is a primaris, so more "human" proportionate than normal astartes are with the armour.

[urban spire]

your space marines would look like a toddler in a thick winter onesie

[viscid basin]

SM all look like the japanese chibi style tbh

because they’re inherently mini figs

[urban spire]

there's plenty of minis in 40k that have reasonable proportions

[viscid basin]

im sure monsters and army men do

[crimson kayak]

i mean, primaris themselves vary wildly depending on how armoured they are

[viscid basin]

but come on, the sm are literally cartoon style proportions

[urban spire]

modern repentia models are fucking

they do things to my brain

good anatomy

[viscid basin]

show me

[viscid basin]

nice!

[urban spire]

i hate that gun so much

[echo vault]

I like that gun because it's unashamedly stupid

A fusion between tacticool and rogue trader looney tunes gun design

[urban spire]

gonna be honest with you i don't see a single shred of tacticool

[crimson kayak]

saw a video of a guy putting the additional guns that the gun has as shoulder mounted and it looks kinda nice

[urban spire]

this is some rob liefeld shit

[echo vault]

I mean the heresy era rocket launchers use banana magazines

[crimson kayak]

btw if this is not gonna be a section on space marine 2 im gonna be disappointed. (yes i know they normally only have one)

[echo vault]

And shit like the stalker exist which supposedly use a chapter serfs brain, have a lil stupidity. All the eldar guns look like dildos

And that's ok

I'd say centurion armor is stupider than the desolator guys

[urban spire]

i thought i didn't dislike primaris when i initially heard of the concept, but double-marines is just twice as dumb as regular marines

[echo vault]

No it's epic

Stilts

[crimson kayak]

i like the design and the fact that they have new stuff (wich most of it is just reintroducing heresy era tech), i just don't like the "these are space marines who became space marines" trope.

[viscid basin]

5 yo me would have drawn that

[crimson kayak]

like, you could have literally have all of it, just give it to normal marines and keep the greyshields as new marines with mixed geneseed for better performance and boom, same result, less stupid.

[echo vault]

Space Marines 2!

https://tenor.com/view/e3-peggle-jump-two-gif-13350703

[viscid basin]

id sooner want giant missile pods for pauldrons

[echo vault]

Then make them

Do it

[viscid basin]

https://tenor.com/view/mlrs-tso1a-rocket-launcher-tank-military-gif-21955833

[echo vault]

That already kinda exists in the form of servo arms with weapons attached and the cyclone missile launcher but it can be done

[crimson kayak]

W....Why does it have a sidearm?

[gray umbra]

Still better than the dreadknight

Lmao

[crimson kayak]

i mean that's a given

but if you close the cockpit and give it another power fist it's literally a titanfall mech

[gray umbra]

I love how it's like blatantly "oh maybe we shouldn't wait for marines to become crippled before inserting them into an armored mecha"

[crimson kayak]

imagine being crippled while piloting one and the apothecary being like "well, i guess you live there now"

[gray umbra]

I'm sure kaldor draigo sleeps/meditates in his dreadknighy

While a servo arm feeds him his milk bottle

[shadow plover]

I love it, heavy bolter as a side arm is a brilliant idea

[echo vault]

I bet they'll redo the dreadknight and make it like the invictor but a bit fancier

The power fist can use the gun like a normal marine, unholstering it

[crimson kayak]

yeah but... they literally used arm-mounted bolters up since forever.

like, what's even the point on having an articulate hand as a power fist at all lol

[echo vault]

Because epic

[gray umbra]

To grab thrakas massive fungal balls

[echo vault]

Master of signals has long head

[gray umbra]

To titty twist abaddon

What more reason do you need

[echo vault]

Grab his dick and twist it

[storm jungle]

The lost primarchs get referenced in a lot of novels

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Two_unknown_legions

Lexicanum has a full page dedicated to every wink/mention they get

The most recent has been Angron's novel released on February

[crimson kayak]

Meanwhile, Subject XI randomly held under the imperial palace as angron's book talks about the elimination of both being orchestrated by the emperor.

[crisp heath]

The impression I got was that one of the primarchs is dead and the other is still alive, but I don't think we need to pog every time the number 11 is mentioned, but I also don't have the custodes codex so I don't know if subject xi is actually all that relevant

I wouldn't be surprised if they reveal one or both of the lost primarchs in the next few years though once they wrap up the main Horus Heresy stuff and need new plots to keep the 30k setting going, they teased them harder in 8th and 9th than, to my knowledge, everything in previous editions combined

[storm jungle]

Its basically entirely inconsistent.

Which isnt a complaint, its for the better.

Same reason why almost every entry on the books the lexi cites is different from each other for the most part

[brisk beacon]

I think reason why they won’t reveal is business decision. They Wang you and I add your custom legions for 2/11 buy more plastic…

[crimson kayak]

i mean, the emperor went as far as erasing their names from people's memories if they knew them or saw them

[storm jungle]

Thats really not the reason at all though

its just inconsistent for the sake of inconsistency

the lost primarchs should stay a mystery anyway

[storm jungle]

The real reason is just because it was a "wink wink" historical reference

the "Make your own legion" thing was debunked to be untrue by one of the GW modellers years ago

[crimson kayak]

Yeah I know, but it's one of the lore babbles about why no one knows even their name

[brisk beacon]

Of course they debunked They are not gonna say it’s for making money.

[brisk beacon]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-rte-shake-skeleton-meme-skeleton-meme-rte-gif-25373688

[crimson kayak]

literally alpha legion

[crisp heath]

Are the rak'gol mentioned anywhere besides the fantasy flight rpgs?

[storm jungle]

Nope

They are just a minor xenos race made for the supplements.

[crisp heath]

Damn, coolest thing in the setting tho

[crimson kayak]

They are mentioned once in a Fabius bile book, but literally just mentioned

[coarse mirage]

Well it seems like the sun near the planet is an artificial creation made to draw in power from somewhere else. That would imply Necron, Eldar or some minor xenos we've never heard of.

[arctic talon]

They got mentioned in the 9e rule book lul

[storm jungle]

That puts them in the "big leagues" 👀

[arctic talon]

It does

But it was on a thing about minor enemies of the imperium lol

[copper patrol]

they are P cool from what I have seen of them

[arctic talon]

Which yeah fair enough

But also they’re cool

[coarse mirage]

REading about them right now!

They seem to have the potential for a new major faction

They got their own little part of the galaxy to keep to

[storm jungle]

I mean

they are literally just

evil aliens that kill everything and we dont know why

also spiky gun/ships

People overhype them a bit too much

[near wasp]

Dilara with the hot takes again

[storm jungle]

ITS TRUE THOUGH

Literally everyone goes "This minor race should be a major faction"

gets mentioned in 1 book/supplement

[pulsar mango]

Question: For you all what is the most heart wrenching moment from the Horus Heresy?

[coarse mirage]

Which leaves room for expansion of their lore!

Vague motivation that can be fleshed out

Would be fun with some properly alien aliens besides Tyranids

[storm jungle]

The fact that its still going

[pulsar mango]

I mean yeah true

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-ooh-oooh-ooooh-oooooh-gif-19977128

[storm jungle]

Tho jokes aside

probably Barabas Dantioch's death for me

😔

[coarse mirage]

The fact that the Emperor never saw his sons as anything else than a means to an end and how all Astartes and Primarchs grasped for straws where there were none, having fundamentally misunderstood their own existence.

[storm jungle]

Thats just normal parenting stuff, you get used to it

[coarse mirage]

Toxic parenting for 40k years

[pulsar mango]

For me its Malcador's final words to Big E before sitting on the golden throne

[coarse mirage]

I feel like some honesty might've been good

Instead of deluding the Astartes as to their purpose and function

[pulsar mango]

😢

[coarse mirage]

I really like what Fabius Bile has to say on it

[gloomy citrus]

He seemed to be good father to some of the Primarchs (Hawk-boy, Horus, Rogal, Lion, Fulgrim), he was a cunt to some of them (Angron, Lorgar, Perty, Magnus), but the other relations were somewhat neutral.

[coarse mirage]

He seems to have been a cunt to them because he didn't understand nor care about sentimentality

[gloomy citrus]

But there were some (looking at you, Morty) who resented him for no real reason.

If he just paid more attention to them.

In particular Lorgar.

Who went on to create the first Chaos Marines.