40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

its stupid as fuck but looks cool so

[storm jungle]

oh that

[astral whale]

Does this explode inside the target?
The bomb lance is like a single shot boltgun minus the rocket bits.

[storm jungle]

Harpoon Launchers are a kind of Primitive Weapon which is useful for capturing or immobilizing large targets.[1a]

Aw damn it

[astral whale]

That is gold though.

[crimson kayak]

Literally just a boltgun

Or any kind of illegal bolt weapon

As those are mostly single shot

[storm jungle]

Im getting flashbacks of Hunters from Half Life

[crimson kayak]

Hell, technically the closest thing would be a bolt-cane from rogue trader

[astral whale]

Flechette launchers. No faction uses those which is kinda sadge.

Wait! Nvm the mechanicus uses those. All good!

[storm jungle]

woooo

though Hunter flechettes are still pretty neat

[astral whale]

Wait

I will name one gun that isn't in 40k to my knowledge

paintball

checkmate.

[crimson kayak]

If it's not lethal to you, the enemy and anything in a 50m radius it doesn't belong here

[astral whale]

Counterpoint: Because funny.

I should be able to equip a guardsman with a paintball gun to mark a target for an airstrike lol

Also idk if there’s any lever gats to my knowledge. A shame

[crisp heath]

Deathmarks and Tau do that

well, technically they use light, but

[astral whale]

I want to make a Wild West themed skitarii cohort now. Off to convert the Galvanics to Lever Gat.

[storm jungle]

Gats as in gatling guns?

[copper patrol]

gat as in just gun

[storm jungle]

aw damn

not Johnny Gat from Saint Row either 😔

[copper patrol]

had someone think my vet was supposed to be johnny gat

since his name is johnny-las

[signal bramble]

https://preview.redd.it/i-made-my-cowboy-skitarii-or-at-least-heads-v0-keo3bh8rgqw91.png?width=1400&format=png&auto=webp&s=a2aab0abde4b42edd72eb177b7a83cfc7d10efa0

[bronze trellis]

So

I love me some 40k. But compared to fantasy, the other factions besides the imperium feel anemic in comparison

[astral whale]

Lever gat as in lever action

[astral whale]

True. GW seems focused on the Imperium lore because that’s what sells the most.
I mean if Imma be honest, if most of the recent lore is trash (IMO it is), most of the Xenos lore is just worse.

The Tau don’t have a believable counter for titans and their navy is incredibly slow. (The “new” lore for them still has them at sub light speed which means space travel should take DECADES)

The Eldar had something going for them in Psychic awakening but they got done the dirty in the books.

The necrons… I love and hate them. They’re great and terrible at the same time.

Aaand I actually like the Tyranids being ambiguous.

[signal bramble]

The Titan counter is their stormsurge.

[dense mortar]

Is interbreeding or hybridization common or not so common? Seems mainly people interbreed with orks or elves

[astral whale]

In a 2 on 1 fight maybe

[signal bramble]

Orks don’t breed like that.

They’re plants.

They reproduce by spore fungus.

[astral whale]

Orks don’t have gender.

They’re non binary icons lol

[signal bramble]

As for the hybrid children, there was at least a few in lore that were part Eldar or whatever but they got rid of that a while ago and ditched the interbreeding thing.

[astral whale]

The thing is that the Tau need a bunch of battle suits to face a Titan. In a 1 on 1 the Titan will win every time.
But that’s the thing about the Tau. They will never engage in a 1 on 1.

[signal bramble]

I almost forgot, it’s exceptionally common among genestealer cults.

That shows what happens when humanity mixes its blood with heretical xenos!

[astral whale]

The hybrid children are likley a myth. Isn’t it that most human eldar hybrids are just the result of genetic experimentation?

[signal bramble]

Nah there was one in lore, a named character WAY back in the day.

Like this is super old lore.

[astral whale]

I know but in the HH there was one close to Malcador.

[astral whale]

Oh wait

Of course he’s an Ultrasmurf.

[signal bramble]

And trained with the dark angels.

Comical.

[astral whale]

Tbh

I think the Ultrasmurfs need to take a FAT L.

[signal bramble]

Marneus was killed or crippled by abaddon recently.

[astral whale]

None of their losses have really been losses.

[signal bramble]

Losing their chapter master is a pretty big L

[astral whale]

I’m talking like dozens of Ultramar worlds falling to plague and starvation. They did suffer a full on invasion by the Death Guard.

It would make sense that their crops might be tainted or effected permanently.

[astral whale]

Is it going to effect them in the long run? Probably not. Besides. Calgar’s character arc has been long over.

[crisp heath]

Honestly a good running gag for the franchise if they don't want to make huge lore changes is Calgar keeps getting bodied by the leaders of other factions and becomes progressively metal

Abaddon takes the other arm and leg, he needs a heart transplant after meeting Farsight, Szarekh gives him a pretty literal facelift

Fun little joke until Calgar is basically a tech-priest

[astral whale]

Calgar becomes a chaos lord then Gets bodied by Gulliman.

Or better. Dreadnought.

[crisp heath]

Avatar of Khaine but for the baddies

[urban spire]

need a novel where an avatar of khaine just murders a hundred or so ultramarines

[chilly creek]

The Ultramarine of Theseus

If you replace all his parts, is he still Calgar

[crimson kayak]

tbf not so much when you get your gene-papa back

[crimson kayak]

interbreeding between species is either straight up impossible or so rare you could count them on your fingers across thousands of sectors of space

[arctic talon]

It is impossible in 40k

In modern lore

Hybridization between 2 races DNA only occurs with gene stealers

Or with dark eldar homonculi

[crimson kayak]

and both of those are not pleasant experiences

[arctic talon]

You’re telling me you don’t want to be turned into a literal flesh slurry and reconstructed together with ork dna

SMH

[copper patrol]

there was a half eldar ultramarine

but that is

super retconned

[arctic talon]

Yeah

He shows up as a normal eldar

As well in a recent book

[delicate mortar]

Not sure if it was what I saw, that map where you cross a bridge seeing the leman russ demolishers I saw guardsmen i figured were PDF troopers now standing by the tanks, but i couldn't make out the colors very well. Are they PDF or regiment of cadians?

[crimson kayak]

Pdf

like the ones you see during the trailers

you can also see them in other places

[delicate mortar]

Ok I was thinking of themeing my cadian army after them.

Just couldn't get a good look at their color scheme

[signal bramble]

Not all pdf have tanks. Depends on the world.

[delicate mortar]

Exactly, I know most regiments are combined regiments

[signal bramble]

Not quite. Combined arms isn’t normally allowed.

The regiment of infantry is separate from the regiment of tanks even though they can both be from the same planet.

Planets like krieg and Armageddon get away with it.

[delicate mortar]

Well tank regiments are separate from infantry regiments most of the time with guard

[arctic talon]

Armageddon don’t get away with it

[delicate mortar]

Exactly

Lol

[arctic talon]

They still have separate tank and infantry regiments

They just shove as many APCs as they can get away with

Into an infantry regiment

[delicate mortar]

Still I wasn't able to get a good look are the troopers colors, any find any pics maybe?

Anyone*

[crimson kayak]

just get a screenshot at one of the mission starts

with a flashlight weapon possibly

[delicate mortar]

True

I just hope I get a slow paced game for that lol

[rose thorn]

Hey anyone mind judging my custom redcowls gaurd regiment?

[signal bramble]

Sure. I love working with homebrew lore.

[rose thorn]

!!

42nd Miasman Redcowls regiment, “Late Dead”

This regiment is well known for their extreme use of Scorch earth tactics, and primarily deployed to cause as much damage to both the eco system and environment to leave all in their path uninhabitable. Their preferred way of achieving this is the use of the same fuel other Redcowl regiments utilize. They also seem to actively use vehicles that was modified specially to cause more damage to the environment through pollution then the average Battle tank. it is also rumored that their lace their ammunition and flamer fuel with radioactive material to ensure that not even the grass will grow back.

While they are only utilized by the imperium to make valuable planets worthless they also seem to have deep ties with the mechanicus to purge organic life from soon to be forge worlds.

Due to their way of warfare many gaurdsmen are more likely to die of cancers and other terminal illnesses if they were to survive a battle. To counter this the regiment specifically takes tides of those who are already destined to die of diseases, illnesses, or even people who have suffered form mutations as they are most likely to die soon enough.

this is first draft :p

i forgor to mention that the mecahnicum gifted them a one of a kind prototype malcador infernus form their close relationship

[rose thorn]

^

[crimson kayak]

i mean, it's standard redcowls with cancer based fighting tactics.

[rose thorn]

2/3rds of the red cowl lore is just that their flamers stink lmao. and the last third is that they are too destructive for defensive use so i just thought to turn it up to 10

[signal bramble]

I’ll look through it when I get home.

[rose thorn]

ookaY!

[astral whale]

Mind if I might give but one criticism?

[rose thorn]

Sure!

That’s what I’m looking for

I actually want this to be good lol

I also don’t know gaurd lroe so I wanted to make sure I’m not forgetting something lol

And the tank is because I’m building a custom malcador infernus proxy lol

[astral whale]

I would make the whole damage to the ecosystem thing accidental.

That would make them so much more tragic if their equipment itself was irradiated. Wherever they go, whatever they do they are damned to bring with them the same fate as their irradiated homeworld.

They know the Wider Imperium has nicer worlds and die in their millions knowing that someone somewhere has that greener pasture. They will do their best to save whatever ruined worlds they set foot on.

Because the Imperium will not destroy nicer worlds if they can be retaken. If the Imperium is a palace, then each world is a brick. There are only a limited number of bricks that can be removed before the whole rotting structure comes crashing down.

It is ever expanding and ever contracting.

These men are sent to desperately hold out at any cost. Their… irradiated equipment is something overlooked by the administratum due to their results of worlds defended and victories won.

The fact that those worlds are ruined or marred with radiation is something they ignore. They can wait that out.

[rose thorn]

I generally disagree, as I’m trying to make them in a way that’s like reverse version of those elderly people and people with terminal illnesses who volunteered to clean up radiation. Except it’s grim dark horrible war tactics

[signal bramble]

It would be more likely that the imperium would use them as hazardous environment soldiers.

Destroying useful planets is generally frowned upon but if the planet is already a death trap anyway then command will let them have at it.

[rose thorn]

Thats a good point !

and they could still also just be sued to general ecoterrorism under the guidence of teh admech, they get the dangerous shitty tools and admech gets life free planets

they could mainly be utilized for ecoterroisim if the planets wild life is insane dangerous or if teh admech wants the planet ot be cleaned up, being sent to planets taht are already gonna cause a shit laod of space cancer, or areas that are already deemed inhospitiable

[astral whale]

Yeah. That’s the thing I was trying to get at

[signal bramble]

For those that might not know, something Guilliman wanted to do when he woke up was figure out an accurate year and time because there were so many inaccuracies to it. The GK apparently have a device which is perfectly accurate to the actual date and time everything is happening in.

So apparently the GK know how to pursue ships through the warp and even how to psychically disrupt gellar fields to intentionally allow daemons to destroy a ship. Also, all ships going through the warp suffer attrition due to the effects of it on mortal crew. Like many go insane and off themselves or need to be euthanized. However, the GK ships are so well warded and so heavily protected that their mortal crews have a casualty rate that’s a fraction of normal ship.

Additionally, daemons being more vulnerable to flamers and swords is apparently a product of human belief through the centuries from before guns were invented.

These are not relevant to the book’s plot. Just some general Gk lore.

[orchid thicket]

The novel Shadowsword comes to mind, wherein a battlegroup is formed consisting of a titan maniple, an Imperial Guard armored corps, a Shadowsword/Baneblade company, at least one company of Black Templars and an Imperial Navy gun frigate (for orbital fire support) with the combat mission of destroying a Chaos titan maniple

I think the leading Princeps of the loyalist titans had command until the mission was completed and the battlegroup was disbanded thereafter

[crimson kayak]

I think he meant how a single regiment using combined arms tactics alone isn't normally gonna happen.

After all 99% of the imperium engagements are combined arms of some kind

[orchid thicket]

Yeah I know, I just wanted to share 😅

[crimson kayak]

Oooh

Okok

[dense mortar]

Just grabbed at the library. Good read or temper my expectations? Will be my first warhammer read.

[crimson kayak]

never read it, but he's supposedly the guy that made the gotrik and felix stuff for fantasy if i remember correcly so i think it is?

[raw dew]

Hope they put out some books for the leagues of votann soon other than the arks of omen series (they are supposed to show up there soon)

[rose thorn]

So when are gUard regiments are formed? Is it always for a specific use or is it just on a whim

Or do they just pick up the tithe of people and slap a new regiment sticker on it

[copper patrol]

it's just based on the planet afaik

planets give a tithe and that tithe is formed into a regiment

[crimson kayak]

then it depends if the planet has some particular situation/culture going on

if yes, make unique random inspired regiment

if not, cadian recolor

after all cadians themselves too are no longer so consistent with their old looks after they became ww2 murrica.

[signal bramble]

Every planet has to pay their taxes and for many of them that means guard regiments which are formed and trained and prepped for the tithe ships that arrive.

However, in times of emergency or if there is a crisis the imperium will demand extra regiments and the planet isn’t allowed to say no.

If that means the planet has to empty all of its manufactorums and other spaces of every person there? Then so be it.

That doesn’t mean their other tithes are lessened by the way.

There’s an excerpt of an imperial administrator telling a governor she needs to send more troops but the governor refuses because the imperium took all their men already and they need bodies to work the factories.

The administrator says then put the children to work in the factories and send ALL the adults to war.

[crimson kayak]

tbf, you can't really say no to the tithe too unless you are special named planet 548273

[near wasp]

Only things certain are death and tithes

[crimson kayak]

btw now i want a child soldier regiment made because they finished the adults on the planet lol

[signal bramble]

There’s some arguments about the Astartes being conditioned child soldiers. XD

[crimson kayak]

i mean, they can't even be considered human anymore so i let that slide

but technically those arguments are not entirely wrong lol

considering how for example the emperor's spears planet thinks the astartes are literal ghosts stealing children to bring them to the sky

[near wasp]

Space marines dont have all there organs until they are 18. Cant call a child soldeir a child if they aint a child when they get sent off

[crimson kayak]

don't they get the geneseed after becoming battle brothers?

[near wasp]

Geneseed takes years to implement. A child might be 8 when thr process starts and they'll be about 18 when it finishes. Not to mention all the psycho indoctrination

Before a space marine is a marine they are considered neophytes

[crimson kayak]

yeah but neophytes do fight

scout squads, remember?

[near wasp]

I mean sometimes, not all chapters do that im pretty sure

[crimson kayak]

i mean codex chapters form neophytes into scouts, space wolves into blood claws and black templars just throw them into the front

you are probably confusing with aspirants

[rose thorn]

Ohhh okay!

[crimson kayak]

wich are the pre-modification child recluits

[near wasp]

I was thinking of neophytes

I knew space wolves did that

But still point remains that they arnt astartes at that point therefore the astartes are not child soldiers

[crimson kayak]

wich makes it even funnier considering people like blood angels host actual fighting tournaments to see who to select

[crimson kayak]

good point, but considering these are neophytes it can be easy to get confused

[near wasp]

Dudes got a fade

Or a bowl cut

Looking like a 11th century monk

[crimson kayak]

spaghetti hair

[crimson kayak]

i mean he is a black templar

[dense mortar]

Fenris seems like a place you wouldnt want to take a girl to a first date to

[copper patrol]

if they aren't strong enough to withstand fenris they aren't worth your time

[rose thorn]

Thinking about it I think my regiment would be a lot more interesting if instead of eco terrorism they simply are a regiment from a hospital planet that draft people who can’t afford their medical bills or have terminal illnesses or mutations and are sent into battle with the defective and hyper hazardous equipment as they are viewed as going to die anyway

[signal bramble]

So a penal legion for debtors?

[rose thorn]

Debtors and ill

‘Space cancer? Congrats prepare to die for the emperor <3’

Pump them full of pain killers and any other horrible human experiments they can if they feel so inclined

Nurgle cults Would lively be a huge fucking problem tho

But again every regiment porbably has a cult in it

This idea might hit too close to being eugenics, the guard regiment tho

[near wasp]

I mean "mutants" are regularly culled and murdered just for existing. Honestly sounds on brand

[rose thorn]

Fair

[near wasp]

And idk if the terribly ill can be turned into serivitors

So if you had a planet sized hospital and alot of cancer patients its either corpse starch or the gaurd

Also nurgle cults would be a huge issue, such a big one that the entire regiment would probably fall. But you know what that means. Chaos warband

[rose thorn]

Maybe they would also have pretty good ties with a. Near by forge world, and the admech hand over all the defective equipment, or extremely experimental equipment and in return they get people for servitors, skitarii, ect ect

The regiments just become lab rats

[near wasp]

Plasma gun. Goooo brrrrt boom

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[near wasp]

I was thinking an entire regiment of hospital gown shambling corpses slowly being blessed by papa nurgle. They steal the ill and bless them with ever more variant diseases. Adding to there dammned numbers.

[rose thorn]

I’m thinking my regiment porbably like, the more veteran you are the better medical treatment you get, and if you considered a person and ‘cured’ you get given the baller ass shit and operate as the elite units/hospital security

[near wasp]

I see

So fight for a second chance at life

[rose thorn]

And the hospital security is also the people who drag folks out of their rooms and dump them off with the other debters or terminally Ill

They normal dudes still get ‘treatment’ but it’s either hyper experimental or literally just sugar tablets.

Maybe the propaganda they spread is that the only cure is the blessing of the emperor himself, and you must earn it in war

So those who actually do well and get over their sickness are viewed as holier then thou and blessed

[near wasp]

That would allow commisars and preists to control the regiment fairly well.

And would hopefully stop nurgles corruption of the regiment

[rose thorn]

YeSsSsS

Also mind altering and numbing drugs probably helps keep everyone in check.

And addiction

[near wasp]

Well dont get them too addicted or you might court slanesh

[rose thorn]

‘Sorry to tell you, you got bone wreck, take ‘em away boys, your going to Brazil’

[orchid thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771498776572854392/1080539140594090127/codex_moment.mp4

Codex Astartes moment

[signal bramble]

The imperium actively practices its own form of eugenics. There’s nothing wrong with including it in your homebrew.

Reminder that wanting to include thematically lore appropriate elements doesn’t mean you condone it in the real world.

[rose thorn]

True, I just didn’t wanna come off as a fucking psychopath, as I’ve heard that people put their political opinions in their gaurd armies and I didn’t wanna come off that way

[orchid thicket]

Honestly pretty baller idea

Pump em full of faith too

[open pumice]

People put their political opinions in everything

[orchid thicket]

Insofar as art reflects reality, everything is political anyway so might as well go ham

Fiction is the playground where anything goes

[rose thorn]

How would someone design a regiment of cancer patients.

Maybe cadian shock troop with none of the survival stuff

I’m not sure what to use for heads

Maybe a very light blue color cloth and dirty the fuck out of them

[near wasp]

With some light scarring on the face. Lumps with some greenstuff or something.

[orchid thicket]

I'd imagine a lot of close combat weapons and shotguns since they don't have a lot of time anyway

[near wasp]

But youd have to figure out there uniform

[dense mortar]

The Space Wolves are pretty hard.

[copper patrol]

I like that their beer

shuts down thier kidneys

so they can get drunk

[dense mortar]

Fenrisian Ale

Where can I get me some of that

[chilly creek]

Fenris, it's in the name

[dense mortar]

They are a pretty cool chapter. They seem to base their ranks on a mans temperment to certain wolves

Super cool

[near wasp]

You say chapter but they arnt codex complaint

[dense mortar]

What do you mean? Im reading they are one of the original 20 legions?

[rose thorn]

[dense mortar]

It seems they only have small deviations in compliance, and these are normal because they supplement with their on codex. But in general they seem to be complaint.

[chilly creek]

That's what they tell you

They've had some run-ins with the Inquisition before

[uneven temple]

They're really not compliant

They have thousands of marines, don't really follow the organizational doctrines, etc

No one cares too much though

[dense mortar]

Is that because of their prestige, or because they get shit done?

[uneven temple]

They never cared for the codex, from the beginning, really, they call him the Legion-breaker. They just disagree with the breaking of the legions

[copper patrol]

you don't get auto shutdown if you aren't compliant

[uneven temple]

It's not that big of a deal, generally, since they mostly kinda keep to themselves

[near wasp]

Also the space wolves cant create successor chapters, well until primaris

[dense mortar]

Seems like they had some run-ins with Dark Angels as well

People general seem to dislike them because they "do their own thing"

[uneven temple]

Yup, they're quite insular, galactically speaking

[dense mortar]

Also seems like the get things done in combat.

They were the Space Wolves, the Sons of Russ, the Vylka Fenryka, and the most feared and respected of all the Emperor's Space Marines. They were the Emperor's executioners, his bloody-handed emissaries, and his avengers. They were the defenders of Mankind, the hammer that struck down the Emperor's enemies, and the wolves that howled in the darkness beyond the Emperor's light.

Well then. That about sums it up.

[signal bramble]

The DA also actively abandon imperial forces.

If they get word of the fallen they will abandon anyone

[dense mortar]

Yeah whats their deal? The seem to lack honor but because they are veiled in secrecy they get away with? Like threading a needle through the fog of uncretainy abotu what htye are doing

[copper patrol]

they are just kinda written poorly

[signal bramble]

Their secret and keeping it is the most important thing.

A lot of books paint the space wolves as kind of dumb also tbh

[dense mortar]

Yeah and they kinda just shoulder shrugged their Primarch, Leman Russ aka the Wolf King, off the table by writing him off with no definitive idea of what happened

There is money in his story I think.

Does the Space Wolves loyalty in the Horus Heresys (one could even say they were some of the most loyal) grant them a lot of amnesty to do their own thing? Or is it just lack of imaginative writing with no real desire to fully tie all the chapters together in one solid brush stroke of a story arc?

[upbeat garnet]

hello my knowledge of 40k lore is grimly limited, so i was wondering, how "legit" is what we do in darktide? is it feasable for an ogryn, a psyker, one very angry soldier, and a VERY angry battle-priest to actually cut down hordes of weak ennemies like we do in the game or is it bs?

i remember reading somewhere that what we were doing in vermintide 2 was mostly fine lorewise, but that the bosses were kinda too much for the group present. so i was wondering, how fucked are the rejects of darktide?

[uneven temple]

Taking on a daemonhost is a bit much

[upbeat garnet]

yeah i figured that

[mystic geyser]

@upbeat garnet like in game levels of enemies, absolutely not

But a Kill Team fighting those kind of enemies, sure

[upbeat garnet]

to rephrase the question, what level of dificulty(malice, damnation etc...) seems feasable and when does it get ridiculous?

[mystic geyser]

The most unrealistic thing is ofc Toughness

But really each mobian 6th trooper is a veteran.. yet our veteran can gun them down effortlessly... hmm

[upbeat garnet]

i'm comparing to vermintide because what we were playing there were characters truly worthy of being called heroes(in terms of power wielded)
we had krubber as a grail knight,
saltzpyre as battle priest (don't know the term so i'm calling him a paladin)
sienna as a pretty good mage
kerrilian as a sister of thorns
bardin as a... ok that one was just a really good ranger, he got a minigun though.

so if we apply the same logic from vermintide, we could imagine that our characters are a cut above the other rejects, but the game doesn't hint at us being anithing but a random no name soldier, we barely get ackowledged for our victories, so the contrast is weird, but i guess it's just a gameplay thing, wouldn't really be fun if the game didn't make us fight actual hordes

[copper patrol]

warrior priest

for saltz

paladins are a bret thing

icky french cosplayers

[upbeat garnet]

was refering to dnd paladins, didn't know there were breton paladins too

do they do magic or are they just knights like the original french paladins?

[copper patrol]

they don't do magic, but idk if they are just knights

I am not a big bret lore buff but either they are either higher then grail knights or like on thier way to becoming one

[storm jungle]

Grail Knights are basically space marine tier

5-12 of them can take on a horde of daemons

which is pretty great

[copper patrol]

that's why I like egil styrbjorn

he kicked the shit out of one(not really it was rather close)

[scenic mural]

Listening to Adeptus Ridiculous's yt vid on the emperor's children and uhhh, damn.

wh40k lore sure just Does That sometimes i love it

[storm jungle]

They skip over a lot of things. If you read their lore from the wiki/books it goes into a lot more detail.

[copper patrol]

non batshit insane khornates are my favorite

[scenic mural]

true, I need more of the books in my life

bricky is always fun to listen to regarding the lore tho

[copper patrol]

also chaos warriors are more of chads then Chaos space marines

[upbeat garnet]

why though?

[storm jungle]

Oh man

[copper patrol]

chaos warriors are "normal" dudes

[storm jungle]

i got a meme for this, hold on Sean

Also "Cringe boys only police" is right on the money

[copper patrol]

thats the one

[upbeat garnet]

heh

[storm jungle]

But basically its the World of Warcraft rule

evil demonic vikings in heavy plate armor just look cool

[copper patrol]

I forget that guys name but he is also a giga chad

wait I thought that was a different guy

nevermind

[coarse mirage]

I will make an enemy of the Ecclisiarchy and say that faith magic ain't different from the other magic.

[upbeat garnet]

true but it's one of those things were i'm going to ask you to face that wall and kneel real quick

gets his pistol

[copper patrol]

I mean it is different

doesn't work the same way

[coarse mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/look-what-yep-this-gif-13617583

[coarse mirage]

Not particularly. Out of the bosses we fight, the mortal one and the plague ogryn are the only "reasonable" foes. The Beast of Nurgle the Daemonhost are would realistically ruin our little group with no effort.

[near wasp]

What what was the creature in the opening of darktide. The one that drags the vet away. Is that a chaos spawn?

[copper patrol]

is it wierd and covered in tentacles?

[storm jungle]

Yes its a Spawn

[storm jungle]

Also to add

Ogryns can pull chimeras and suplex chaos terminators

or rip open tanks

so they are like the GOAT of the team

[copper patrol]

that's why a space marine fight would be wierd

4 ogryns would rip them apart if they got close

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[copper patrol]

literally

[storm jungle]

it would be like that uh

crocodile drowning among hippos meme

[copper patrol]

yeah

[near wasp]

Oh that means the warp around atoma is really fucked up

[storm jungle]

Those cultists got that tech tree going UP

[copper patrol]

picked the wrong upgrade

[near wasp]

I mean a spawns a pretty good shock troop

[copper patrol]

the former person would disagree

[arctic talon]

Too bad

[near wasp]

I mean he can disagree all he wants not like he can voice it

[open pumice]

Not necessarily

[copper patrol]

I mean

we do see beasts of nurgle

[open pumice]

I mean yea

The warp around atoma is fucked

But

[copper patrol]

but yeah the chaos spawn isn't indicative of it

[open pumice]

Spawns arent necisarily the indicator of that

[upbeat garnet]

also how powerfull is the psyker of darktide supposed to be? cause yeah if his psy rating is low, the ogryn is clearly the one pulling the most weight lorewise, but the witch might be a good contender

[copper patrol]

just by gameplay

not very

[open pumice]

Not directly stated but we can assume not particularly powerful.

Most if what he does requures a conduit (the various staffs) abd he doesnt have good control on his paychic powers

[copper patrol]

powerful enough to be useful

[near wasp]

He also burns out super quick

[copper patrol]

but not powerful enough to be op

[upbeat garnet]

weak enough to be leashed

[copper patrol]

yeah

[upbeat garnet]

ok makes sense

[near wasp]

Witch prolly almost got fed to the throne

[open pumice]

Throne tends to prefer alpha level psykers

[near wasp]

I thought it was uncontrollable psykers tended to get fed

[open pumice]

Though they arent exactly picky

[open pumice]

These are not mutually exclusive

[near wasp]

I mean i guess

[open pumice]

An untrained alpha level psyker is practically begging to become a spawn

Or worse

[near wasp]

But you cant tell me that the psyker in game is very controllable

[open pumice]

Well yeah, but hes also clearly not very potent

[copper patrol]

comparativley

an alpha level pskyer is like

a possibly world ending event

sometimes

I think

[arctic talon]

They are

[open pumice]

Alpha and alpha+ yeah

[arctic talon]

An alpha level Psyker can level an army on their own

[open pumice]

Hebce why the throne vastly prefera them

But they take whetever they can get

[copper patrol]

also how you attract enslavers or daemons

[arctic talon]

Most of the strongest psykers in the setting aren’t alpha

[open pumice]

(The first 1000 psykers fed to thr throne iirc were alpha level)

I could be wrong tho

[copper patrol]

sounds reasonable

but it's 40k

so idk

[arctic talon]

Of the named non primarch psykers I think it’s literally just Eldrad, Ahriman and Mephiston

That are alpha level

[open pumice]

Theres quite a few out there

[arctic talon]

Def

But they aren’t on the tabletop

[open pumice]

Eldrad isnt counted amongst payker levela

[arctic talon]

He “counts” based on his feats

Tbh

[open pumice]

Psyker levela iirc particularly refer to humans

Because elves are fucky wucky

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But Eldrad is comparable

If not exceeding

[open pumice]

Some of the weaker elves would still dunk on a stronger human psyker with ease

[crimson kayak]

Warp spiders literally shortcutting through hell while normal human Psykers would probably burst the moment they get there.

[arctic talon]

Yvraine cucking ahriman lul

Brings back some thousand sons

Only to kill them

[copper patrol]

did she

that's based as fuck

[arctic talon]

Yes

[crimson kayak]

I mean, that's what you get when you simp for someone who's trying to birth the literal God of death.

[open pumice]

Deserved

Ahriman is a bitch

[arctic talon]

He was trying to threaten her for the location of the black library lol

So she just turns his rubrics back into normal marines then launches them into the webway to die

[open pumice]

To be fair

Ahriman gets worfed alot tho

[arctic talon]

He does

But also he is a bitch lol

[open pumice]

pre tzeench he was potentially the most powerful human psyker, ommiting primarchs

[arctic talon]

Malcador

Also he still is the strongest human psyker

Tbh

If we count marines as human

[open pumice]

perpetuals are iffy when it comes to calling them human

but sure

[arctic talon]

He’s just always

Against things that are atronger

[open pumice]

I can give you malcador

[arctic talon]

He absolutely bodies

A lot of people tho

[open pumice]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Like he should probably take more then 10 rubrics and a few sorcerers

Every time he goes looking for the black library lol

[open pumice]

y e a h

[crimson kayak]

I mean Atleast next time bring some Tzaangor's

[coarse mirage]

Makes me wonder what the Ynnari did to make Guilliman come back

Some elven death magic perhaps

[open pumice]

Simply bring forth that sweet elven bussy

[copper patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-eyebrow-raise-vermintide-gif-24052002

[open pumice]

the eldarussy

[copper patrol]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1046914161923334214/1073304642043269181/1024023614074396772.gif

[coarse mirage]

[crimson kayak]

Probably something regarding his soul, considering the body was restored by his new power armour and how after he got out of stasis suddenly he could Jesus away nurgle plagues and at the end of the plague wars threw a psychic attack powerful enough to damage nurgle and his garden themselves

[near wasp]

the disrespect is immense

[crimson kayak]

Also the fact he used the emperor's sword helped in the last part

[near wasp]

the sword and the minister guy

personal theory is the sword acted like a beacon and the priest was the conduit

[crimson kayak]

Mathieu best boy

[near wasp]

*worst

honestly the dark imperium trilogy was very good, he just happened to be my least favorite part.

[crimson kayak]

My favorite part is the crusaders going "we are a gift from the emperor himself" and then proceeding to take a vow of silence and refuse to elaborate further

Don't remember the book through

Oh yeah, it was Godblight

[near wasp]

dont forget the part where all of them died in a swamp

[crimson kayak]

I mean that was to be expected

None of them were named

[near wasp]

i mean nobody who went of that train ever came back

even named characters

[crimson kayak]

Wait, who was there that was named?

[near wasp]

Mathieu

[crimson kayak]

I mean, Mathieu died so that guilliman could fucking see for himself that faith was real

[near wasp]

i know

just yanking ya chain

[crimson kayak]

Also now that I think about it, we went from "The Last Church" to "The Last Atheist" if Guilliman ever gets the balls to reform the ecclesiarchy

[near wasp]

he wont

[open pumice]

The ecchleaiarchy is too central to the setting

Ita not gettin reformed

And the lion wont go to war with it

Not matter how much it fits anyones character to do so

[arctic talon]

It’s not even in character for The Lion to blow it up

The Emperor could have told guilliman to deal with it

But he didn’t

[open pumice]

People seem to think it is

Frankly

Its not in charactee for the lion to do amything hea not explicitly told with detailed instructions and a coloring book

His brain cant handle the stresa of having to think for himself without making the objectively wrong decision every time because of something stupid like "muh honor"

Couldnt even kill curze smh

[crimson kayak]

ok i used the wrong words there

[spice geyser]

Yall see Iron Within yet

[open pumice]

Is it even out yet?

[spice geyser]

Yessir

I very much enjoyed it

[orchid thicket]

hello my knowledge of 40k lore is grimly limited, so i was wondering, how "legit" is what we do in darktide? is it feasable for an ogryn, a psyker, one very angry soldier, and a VERY angry battle-priest to actually cut down hordes of weak ennemies like we do in the game or is it bs?
For novel main characters with plot armor? Ez pz

[open pumice]

To expand on what Bones said
We are effectively playing as the MCs of a novel, so while your normal chums would probably not make it half this far, we are doing quite well because we are the focal point of the story

A little lore tidbit, in theory we should have a 5th party member, as we are supposed to be a "fireteam" which is, generally speaking, half a squad, consisting of 5 members rather than 10.

However as an Assistant Squad Leader isnt present, were effectivle the non command elements of a fire team

[dense mortar]

I think I love the Emperor

[dense mortar]

Whoa. Inquisitor Covenant was banished to the warp and survived for decades in iit?

[mystic geyser]

Whut

[pale onyx]

With the most recent book confirming several custodies fell to chaos I’m tempted to replace the head of one of my custodies with a nurgling head and pretend no one else in the army notices it

[storm jungle]

It wasn't really falling to chaos

more just Horus was so OP he was able to control/turn the Custodes against the Emperor, they were resisting it the entire way

But Big E still killed a lot of them so uh whoops

I approve of the Nurgling head still though

[chilly creek]

Kaldor Draigo has been in there over a century (other than some breaks to help out on realspace)

[storm jungle]

To be fair Drago is a mary sue

so thats kinda expected of him

[mystic geyser]

Yeah.. Covenant ain't Draigo. He's barely a psyker

[rose thorn]

Hey what’s the medical field of 40k looking like for every faction?

I know orks do ork shit

And chaos does chaos shit

And I’m pretty sure the tau actually use real medical techniques

And Tyranids do tryanids shit

[celest dome]

The Imperium mostly does real things, and augments and bio shaping iirc

[rose thorn]

Ah nice

Oh and elder just do fucking magic I’m pretty sure

[rose thorn]

And drukhari use torture <3

[storm jungle]

Eldar is basically just advanced medical stuff you see in most utopian media. So proper and fast healing, very experienced medics etc

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar are very advanced in the medical field

Haemonculi can return people from just a cut finger

the issue is, they dont use this tech for good

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[orchid thicket]

They were less corrupted and more like puppeted, with Chaos having the home field advantage since Terra was in the process of being sucked into the Warp

The Four Chaos Gods are watching the Vengeful Spirit right now, and they have manifested into the physical universe as energies hollowing out Horus' very body

What we're seeing is a fight between gods

[vapid gyro]

what does this symbol mean

[near wasp]

The dual eagle is the imperal aquila which is the symbol of the imperium

[crimson kayak]

Just use a glitchling and say it's just the armor, rubric style

[orchid thicket]

I think there's a Hospitalier subfaction within the Adepta Sororitas?

[crimson kayak]

Yes

[orchid thicket]

Some kind of caregiving department under the Ecclesiarchy

Cute sororitas nurse 🙂

[crimson kayak]

Every faction has their own medics, Atleast in the human ones

[sleek wigeon]

my boy enginseer 😊

[orchid thicket]

Apothecary Gordian was "Chief of Genomedicine" aboard the Blood Ravens strike cruiser Armageddon before his heroic demise (RIP) implying that there are other fields of medicine among the Astartes

[crimson kayak]

I mean, even the mechanicus have the magos biologis/geneticists to make and heal damaged fleshy bits and replacing them with better ones

[vapid gyro]

and the rest?

[crimson kayak]

Random marks I guess

[urban spire]

it's kinda hard to make out

[crimson kayak]

Can't recognize any

[near wasp]

Idk scribbles. Holy symbols, who knows.

[sleek wigeon]

oh?
didnt know that despite admech being the faction I know most about

[orchid thicket]

Rest is likely local superstition

[vapid gyro]

shit ass cosmetic

[crimson kayak]

Yeah they are mostly unknown, also because they are the literal opposite of common tech priests look wise

Basically they can go from standard tech priest with passion for biology to "I made myself the equivalent of an ogryn with the bones of an ork"

Ench why they are also the guys that deal with gene-seed stocks most of the time

[orchid thicket]

Biologis techpriests tend to be looked down upon by the rest of the Mechanicus for their fixation on the flesh

[sleek wigeon]

you said one sentence and I already love those guys

i'd assume they're the go-to for keeping magi on life support whilst they get everything upgraded?

[crimson kayak]

I mean, they are the guys that gave krieg super horses

[sleek wigeon]

given they know so much about the flesh

[crimson kayak]

They are the ones that repair the unremovable fleshy remains of tech priests yes

[storm jungle]

Its literally just chicken scratch my dude

[vapid gyro]

seems so anathema to the whole gestalt of the adeptus to have experts in flesh

[storm jungle]

Also its really not

you are literally just doing doing doctor stuff

[crimson kayak]

They do not despise normal augments

[storm jungle]

^

[vapid gyro]

arent the adeptus all about the machine

[storm jungle]

No?

Thats just the Mechanicus

[vapid gyro]

Ok?

No but fr

[storm jungle]

Yes?

[copper patrol]

adeptus is just a fancy word

[vapid gyro]

Are there different adeptus?

[storm jungle]

Yes

tons

[copper patrol]

yeah

[crimson kayak]

Not all sects of the mechanicum are the guys you normally see

[copper patrol]

it just means like

[vapid gyro]

I thought they were just the red hood cyborgs

[storm jungle]

time to get my image

brb

[orchid thicket]

The Adeptus Astartes is the official name for the Space Marines

[vapid gyro]

a

[copper patrol]

idk what exactly it means

but it basically is just the title for the smaller specialized groups

adetpus sororitas

[vapid gyro]

adeptus means "expert, adept in something"

[orchid thicket]

"Specialty" maybe?

[storm jungle]

These are most of the Adepta

but i wrote their names in basic english so whoops

[orchid thicket]

No astartes there?

[copper patrol]

sister of silence doesn't have a fancy extra name

that suprising

[storm jungle]

They do uhhh

something-something Psykana

1 sec

Anathema Psykana™️ thats it

[vapid gyro]

Wait, I thought all the organizations with an "I" were part of the Inquisition

what does the I represent

[storm jungle]

Imperium

[copper patrol]

that one actually kind makes sense

[vapid gyro]

aaa

[crimson kayak]

Now count that for each faction lore-wise there's in between a couple and a couple hundred sub-factions

[copper patrol]

all the ordos

[storm jungle]

HELL NAH

[copper patrol]

and assassin temples

[storm jungle]

I aint that productive

you'll get the base ones and be happy

[orchid thicket]

Ah, the Imperial Navy

[crimson kayak]

Lol, also 90% doesn't even have a symbol

[orchid thicket]

The Imperium's most important fighting arm

[sleek wigeon]

that further solidifies their irony.
its the most interesting part about them imo, every little bit of them is hypocrisy

obsessed with becoming machines and yet have people who specialise in flesh care
zealotist to a T, but the machine god in itself could potentially be super MEGA heresy (c'tan void dragon shard)
could invent and create with all their knowledge, yet to invent is heresy, reliant on finding old STC

[crimson kayak]

I mean they literally are the guys that man the spaceships

[orchid thicket]

Yep. Without space supremacy you cannot land Imperial Guard regiments

[crimson kayak]

Good luck replacing your brain with machines when ai is outlawed, you need someone to keep in shape whatever flesh Is still in you if you want it all to function

[orchid thicket]

Honestly I love how the scale of the Navy's responsibilities are showcased in the Battlefleet Gothic games

The short war meetings in the first game in particular are really cool

[vapid gyro]

Is it literally heresy to invent anything new?

[copper patrol]

sorta

[crimson kayak]

Yes and no

Depends how relevant to the plot you are and how desperate the situation is

[copper patrol]

it isn't until it is and vice versa

yeah

[orchid thicket]

The highest ranking IG and IN officers plus the top tier Fabricator and the Adeptus Astartes representative (an Imperial Fists captain) gathering together to discuss the Black Crusade

[sleek wigeon]

that too

tbh part of me wants to see what happens if admech found out the whole basis of them was from xenos tech

[copper patrol]

40k consistency

[orchid thicket]

Give Battlefleet Gothic 1 a try for the campaign, it's great

[crimson kayak]

For more info, just look at cawl entire story

[storm jungle]

Also reminder you dont have to be chaos to be labelled as a "heretek"

[sleek wigeon]

I'd think they collectively say "holy shitballs we're already heretics, whats the point in keeping it outlawed?" and we essentially see a total reform
(this is not an excuse to have necron disintegrator tier lasguns)

[storm jungle]

you could actually me making helpful inventions

and get treated as a heretic for it

[crimson kayak]

Give 2 a try if you want to see cadia blow up after the 100th cutthroat voice gets in game

[sleek wigeon]

deadass if admech ever started to reverse engineer necron weaponry/tech, its over

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the "radical" ending of mechanicus isn't literally this?

[vapid gyro]

arent some admech doing so in secret?

[storm jungle]

they cant so its fine

Necron tech is so advanced that it looks like magic to us

humans cant really comprehend

[orchid thicket]

Or just activate the dormant systems latent in Imperial tech really

[storm jungle]

only basic stuff

[orchid thicket]

Humanity during the Dark Age of Technology had some terrifying stuff

[vapid gyro]

Also doesnt chaos have some mechanicus? What's stopping them from doing it and getting an advantage over the empire admech

[sleek wigeon]

point being, admech ever got over its heresy rules, its gg for the known universe

[crimson kayak]

Too busy shoving daemons into stuff and see what gets up to actually make something useful

[storm jungle]

Plot

[orchid thicket]

Yeah they're called the Dark Mechanicum, and they can't do anything because Chaos is a naturally destructive force and anything they create is unsustainable in nature

[storm jungle]

Dark Mechanicus cant do anything inventive because no minis

[orchid thicket]

Daemon Engines are cool though

[crimson kayak]

Also Vashtorr has a monopoly on the chaos weaponry market

[celest dome]

Very unstable work environment and allies

[sleek wigeon]

[storm jungle]

Yeah like

i appreciate the lore excuses

but its basically lazy writing

[shadow plover]

daemon engines are kinda dark mechanicum inventions doing it's thing

[crimson kayak]

The only rule in dark mechanicum is to be stronger than whatever you are trying to make.

[copper patrol]

dark mechanicum is a bunch of crackheads throwing shit together then wanking on it half the time

[celest dome]

Darkmech are basically Skaven but in 40k

[storm jungle]

Just less glowing cocaine

[vapid gyro]

sounds cool

[storm jungle]

[crimson kayak]

Skaven in age of sigmar are more dark admech than dark admech

[celest dome]

You mean the normal Admech ?

[orchid thicket]

The Dark Mechanicum believe in the Omnissiah still, but do not believe that the Emperor is its avatar

[copper patrol]

normal admech aren't crackheads

but they do the other part

[celest dome]

Some of them, other not

Same for imperial ones

[celest dome]

Nah, they are

Look at Cawl

[sleek wigeon]

scaevola
cawl

wait is mechanicus canon?

[copper patrol]

aren't as m8uch of crackheads

they just dabble

they aren't fully coked out all the time

[crimson kayak]

Yes until official material retcons/changes it

Like how blood ravens got primaris now

[vapid gyro]

NO

[sleek wigeon]

ooh nice
still unsure whether BR were a successor to angels, ravens or both

[crimson kayak]

Br are most certainly thousand sons

Considering they burned all their research on their primaris gene-seed after finding out Something

[copper patrol]

wait a second

hmmm

[crimson kayak]

Also it was hinted what, like 20 times now?

[sleek wigeon]

oh god oh fuck I havent finished DoW yet

[crimson kayak]

Don't worry

Dow doesn't give two shits about the raven origins

Its all in external material

[sleek wigeon]

oh
i thought it was some nutty twist

[crimson kayak]

Nono, there's a couple but I won't spoil if you didn't finish up to retribution

[sleek wigeon]

i keep bouncing between games, i'll find out for myself in time

[crimson kayak]

Also always just hinted, or said by unreliable people, the only certain thing is that they always find SOMETHING™ when they search for stuff and proceed to remove all mentions of it

[sleek wigeon]

1000 sons would have been my last guess tbh

speaking of, they were almost my first army
holy shit they look so dope

but I settled on admech because they're the faction I got the most invested into

[crimson kayak]

I want to make a custom army of blood ravens conversions using all their "gifted" equipment throughout the games

[uneven temple]

Way way back they introduced a character named revuel arvida and he was thought to be the original CM but he went a different route

Just that one captain who met the Torchbearer fleet would know for sure, him and his crew

[timid ferry]

||Snape kills Dumbledore||

[sleek wigeon]

still one of the funniest things to happen imo

who snitches on a book lmao

[dense mortar]

So let me get this straight, Imperial Saint Celestine just be going up against daemons 1v1?

and has fought Skarbrand to a standstill?

[crimson kayak]

Yes, but she's not in any way "normal" by any standard.

[near wasp]

Shes basically a daemon prince

[crimson kayak]

Consider her the first equivalent of daemons for imperials

[dense mortar]

What brought her to this point?

[crimson kayak]

Faith

And dying

[dense mortar]

Well that is something every Space Marine has

Why is she so powerful?

[near wasp]

Because she was chosen

[dense mortar]

By the Emperor?

[crimson kayak]

Or one of his fragments yes

[near wasp]

Presumably

[dense mortar]

But the Emperor is not this powerful. . . is he? To defeat the likes of Skarbrand?

Or is the Emperor more on the level of taking on Chaos Gods?

[near wasp]

Hes way stronger

[crimson kayak]

The emperor is THE powerful guy

[near wasp]

Skarbrand is but a kitten to the emperor

[crimson kayak]

99% of the verse can't even last a minute on a 1v1 with the emperor

And the remaining 1% is either God or dead or unmentioned since 10 editions ago

[dense mortar]

So how did Horus cause so much damage? Could the Emp simply have snuffed him out?

[copper patrol]

he was roided to fuck

[crimson kayak]

Horus was pumped up by all the chaos gods

[near wasp]

He has the chaos gods juicing him up

[crimson kayak]

Super steroids

[copper patrol]

also primarchs are pretty damn strong in their own right

old lore big e was holding back a bit as well

[dense mortar]

And that placed at a similar level as the Emperor?

[near wasp]

And the big e did snuff horus out

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, being the chosen son of the emperor and his warmaster probably helps

[copper patrol]

I mean when it came down to it

big e

just deleted horus

[near wasp]

Literally out of existance

[copper patrol]

afaik he didn't just do that to begin with because plot reasons

[near wasp]

Mcguffin dues exmachina

[copper patrol]

more like the other way around

he was holding it back rather then it just being some kind of

[near wasp]

I mean yeah

[copper patrol]

really hard thing to do

[dense mortar]

While this is not in lore, there are fan theories that the Emperor is actually a descendant of old gods?

Would that make sense?

[crimson kayak]

The emperor is essencially what equivalents to God in the material plane

[near wasp]

Not really. We know where the emperor supposedly came from. Hes a creation of a bunch of early day psykers called shamans fusing there souls together into one being

[dense mortar]

It seems there is mirky water around whether Terra had a pantheon of gods or not, similar to the Eldars

[copper patrol]

they probably

sorta did

but they where really small

[crimson kayak]

Also old Lore mentioned he's a actually a collective consciousness of old human Psykers or some shit but that's retconned

Oh wait

[dense mortar]

Like One for All?

[crimson kayak]

Like heavens gate if it actually worked and wasn't a cult

[crimson kayak]

Is it still canon? I swear I remember it was changed from the shaman thing

[near wasp]

I never heard it was retconned from anybody

[crimson kayak]

Dunno, maybe my mind is playing tricks considering how much stuff gets out then gets reintroduced

fucking ollanious

[near wasp]

Is he a perpetual or not. Dont know at this point

[crimson kayak]

Technically yes

Or else his whole story stops making sense tbf

Considering he went from helping the emperor conquer Terra to the end of the Horus heresy

But there was also some time travel or shit so I can't even care anymore

[dense mortar]

Without major spoilers, as I am just reading the novels. Is Ragnar pretty badass? he seems to be so the first couple chapters in

[near wasp]

If there named chances are pretty good theyll be a badass

[crimson kayak]

He does cool shit yea

[dense mortar]

I see. It seems from some passive remarks that the Emperor actually ALLOWED or afforded the space wolves a modicum of independence in their operations. Mainly because they were fiercely loyal and pretty dang effective.

[crimson kayak]

He's the protagonist of a trilogy after all

[crimson kayak]

I mean, they basically were the emperor's attack dogs

Especially when other legions fucked up before and during the HH

[dense mortar]

’I understand your hesitancy, Leman. I have, after all, allowed your people to remain wild, even encouraged it. I have never sought to chain you or bend you to my will, for I understand that it is through the unique nature of the Wolves that the Primarch of Fenris and his warriors will perform their greatest deeds.’

Thats a pretty notable thing

[storm jungle]

Yeah but again they are attack dogs

he doesnt care about them that much

you groom your underlings so they stay loyal to you

[crimson kayak]

Then the minotaurs replaced them on the "I'll shit on you, your planet and steal your stuff to teach a lesson about not fucking with the imperium"

[storm jungle]

^

[near wasp]

laments

[dense mortar]

Its entertaining without context. Can only imagine if I understood

[near wasp]

The lamenters are a space marine chapter where everything that can go wrong had gone wrong

[crimson kayak]

The minotaurs role as a chapter basically is fucking up chapters that rebel/don't comply with the inquisition/imperial authority

And they deploy FULL STRENGTH each single time

[storm jungle]

https://youtu.be/1_lqsI04Q6w

[crimson kayak]

Wich is insane numbers by marine standards for anything except the most serious conflicts

[dense mortar]

Private Murphys law?

[crimson kayak]

Yep, basically their whole trait is being unlucky as fuck

[dense mortar]

Are they Martin Short in Lucky? (god forgive anyone that understands that reference)

[crimson kayak]

Never saw it

[near wasp]

More like they are nice guys in 40k and they get curbstomped by everybody

[storm jungle]

Just like real life

[dense mortar]

You always paint the Emperor as this heartless being willing to sacrifice whomever he needs to if it cedes more power to himself. Does he not, deep down, love mankind?

[storm jungle]

He loves "mankind"

Not individual humans

hes literally the greatest warlord in human history that has killed trillions of people

hes not a good person

Even when he was around in 30k the Imperium was terrible

they just were more systematic and had more guns

[dense mortar]

Ah okay that makes a bit of sense.

[near wasp]

The only people the emperor cares for is the custodes

[storm jungle]

^

[celest dome]

And even then

[storm jungle]

Hes willing to sacrifice anything to cement humanity's future but isnt afraid to pave that road with corpses of billions

[celest dome]

Still, the Emperor is a net loss for Humanity

[near wasp]

I think thats debatable

Hard to say if humanity would even exist into 40k if the emperor didnt exist.

[copper patrol]

yeah

we don't know what woulda happened

[storm jungle]

It probably would

he just prolonged the process

[copper patrol]

it probably would still exits tho

[storm jungle]

^

The galaxy is big

there were advanced human groups the Imperium also destroyed for not joining them

or choosing peace with friendly aliens

[copper patrol]

but it's hard to say what else would have happened

since it's a story

[near wasp]

The dream of a united empire wouldnt exist and many worlds would likely be wiped out by xenos and such

[dense mortar]

I do believe though, that I have found one true love relationship in Warhammer. . . albeit a chaste romance. Captain Tycho and Sister Adria of the blood angels.

A light amongst the darkness **DOES **exist.

[near wasp]

I mean yeah but like its rare

[dense mortar]

I knew it! I can sleep peacefully now knowing that the universe is not a slowly decaying pit of despair and hopelessness.

[near wasp]

It still is

Regardless of a single bright moment, everything is still shit

[crimson kayak]

Tycho proceeding to get thrown in the death company and dying against orks

[near wasp]

Ahhh there it is

[crimson kayak]

Tycho literally starts going crazy after being disfigured by a weirdboy that jumped him, he was regarded as the closest thing to a successor of Dante but he had to send him into more and more dangerous missions until the Chaplains could start questioning his sanity

Also manages to get injured into most of his fights

[dense mortar]

Can I just have this

[crimson kayak]

Welcome to 40k.

[arctic talon]

wrong setting

[open pumice]

@dense mortar theres a romance between two tech priests in Know no Fear that you might like :)

[orchid thicket]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/771498776572854392/1080919565401329794/bolter_test.mp4

My work to mod DoW2's campaign continues...

Is there a channel to post about other 40k games?

[arctic talon]

💀

[winter vessel]

Anyone know which traitor Astartes legions that are not aligned with a specific Chaos god? Only ones I know at the top of my head are Black Legion and Iron Warriors

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Chaos_Undivided

All official ones are listed there

[signal bramble]

Night lords and word bearers.

And the alpha legion.

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats on the list

[signal bramble]

Red corsairs are not a traitor legion.

[rose thorn]

It’s just saying the playable- wiat where is the creations of bile?

If this includes renegades there’s like 4 more lmao

[astral whale]

Now they are legion-sized I think

Right?

Also, Huron for Warmaster. He's way more of an interesting and developed character than Abadon.

[signal bramble]

They still aren’t the traitor legions.

Which was the question.

That name belongs to the original 9 what turned traitor.

[astral whale]

The Black Legion isn't either then as they aren't an original traitor legion.

[signal bramble]

They were renamed.

[astral whale]

Nope. Black Legion isn't a renamed Sons of Horus but something new. That is literally Abadon's post-heresy arc.

[signal bramble]

But still the original with its legionnaires

[rose thorn]

🍿

[astral whale]

Again, no. Black Legion isn't just sons of Horus, but encompassing warriors of multiple legions. They are the "Traitor United Front" if you will.

[shadow plover]

plus not all Sons of Horus joined the black legion

[astral whale]

This. The rest of the sons of Horus got merked.

There are no sons of horus outside of the black legion.

[shadow plover]

well some joined other war bands and legions

[astral whale]

Those got merked because Abadon is a spiteful little shiet

[shadow plover]

don't think he has gotten all of them but yeah

[astral whale]

He didn't want any threats to the legitimacy of his Black Legion. No one to reform the Sons of Horus.

Hence why he merked the perfect clone of his genefather.

TBH Tho I think Abadon is a bit two dimensional as a character.
Hence why I like the Red Corsairs better.
They know the pain of lost Brothers and will share that pain with the rest of the Imperium. Besides, the Corsairs actually have a consideration for tactics and cooperation with the specialties of other Legions.

[shadow plover]

I've enjoyed the modern depiction of Abaddon in the Black Legion and Heresy books, need to get around the new Huron book though

[astral whale]

He does a 180 tho. His fall to corruption is poorly handled.

[shadow plover]

how come?

[signal bramble]

I just started the iron kingdom book and it has a very interesting portrayal of the red Corsairs in my opinion.

At least in the start anyway.

Not sure how the rest of the book is.

[astral whale]

He seems like a completley different person... perhaps Its because I haven't read enough of the HH novels but it just feels like his fall to corruption is too sudden and unexplained.

Then again the Novels are VERY inconsistent at times.

[signal bramble]

Authoritis happens in 40k all the time. No way around it.

[astral whale]

Idk. I mean Horus getting insta corrupted by the McGuffin Blade feels a little shallow.

like.

[signal bramble]

I was referring to why things are inconsistent.

[astral whale]

It could have been better with him having doubts at first and then slowly being talked into betrayal by Erebus.

[shadow plover]

He was was so loyal and like-minded with Horus so of course he would go down that path at the start of the heresy but he does learn a great deal out of it and he has grown a lot by the time the Black Legion books take place

[astral whale]

Like. They make Erebus out to be a shifty fuck but he is actually pretty shit at manipulation if you think about it.

[shadow plover]

Loyal as in to Horus, not to the Throne

[astral whale]

Why he let Erebus take his primarch to a cult is still beyond me.

[storm jungle]

Eresus was pretty trustworthy

totally a guy you can trust

[shadow plover]

He was ready to do anything to have him survive of course

[crisp heath]

Horus spends a decent amount of time complaining about taxes in the first book and I would have loved for the Horus Heresy to be a tax dispute

"Father, I will not allow taxation without representation!"
"Horus Heresy, you have killed 5 billion people and I'm still implementing an income scale."

[near wasp]

Emperor damned taxes

[crimson kayak]

And I mean, red corsair win just because of the idea of pirate astartes

[sharp grove]

What do you think the lore equivalent power level of our level 30 characters would be?
We know our Veteran is more than the average Imperial Guardsman. I would say they are at least a Tempestus Scion (Storm Trooper) and perhaps a Kasrkin depending on the player lol

[storm jungle]

Its pretty much that yeah

Psyker is the only one I'm unsure on but pretty much everyone else got enough experience after being elevated to Ordo Hereticus agents to be OP

The Ogryn especially since in the lore they can suplex chaos marines, drag around chimeras or tear into tanks

[sharp grove]

Psyker is reasonably Delta/Gamma level in the 'Assignment' scale, with a few non-lore things that seem lower (epsilon) or higher (beta) for gameplay reasons

Agreed. I think essentially we can consider all level 30 operatives would be Elite, but not HQ units if converted to tabletop datasheets

[sharp grove]

I don't disagree with the gameplay reasons, but it's still funny that an average Ogryn could snap a poxhound in half with his thumb and index finger, yet our level 30 bone'ead gets indefinitely held by one :P

[gray umbra]

A little less under ciaphas cain without the ridiculous luck

[chilly creek]

Or the melta totting flunky

[gray umbra]

thats also a blank and weirdly hypercompetent

[chilly creek]

Except in manners of hygiene

[sharp grove]

So bit less than a master chainswordsman. And in tabletop, commisars are still only Elite units. Sounds about right!

[signal bramble]

I mean most chaos marines live a life of piracy in general.

Stealing shit is realistically their only means of resupply.

[signal bramble]

Ogryn is the one class that should be able to get out of nets/dog eventually.

Also I wouldn’t read too much in to power scaling in 40k. Most things in 40k end up being as powerful as they need to be for the story to happen.

[versed ledge]

Kark, karking, kark!

[timid ferry]

Fr. It’s kinda strange seeing an Ogryn get bodied by a dog when they are perfectly capable of ripping an armored space marine in half

[echo vault]

I mean I bet it took more than one dog to take down the ogrtn

[pale onyx]

The day a ogryn not powered by chaos cocaine kills a space marine is the day the imperium falls

[celest dome]

With weapon or without ?

Cause otherwise that has already happened

[pale onyx]

How does the emperors angels get got by a muscley dummy

[chilly creek]

Happens all the time

[celest dome]

There a short story where a Genestealer Lictor get his face bashed in while trying to kill a VIP

[storm jungle]

Ogrynchad Gains™️

theres an excerpt where an Ogryn even kills a chaos terminator

[odd palm]

Sometimes just being bigger and stronger than a marine works.
Does the job often enough for Ogryns and orks

[dense mortar]

It seems Rogal Dorn did not even have the ability to refuse a hug from Vulkan. Wow

[wispy plume]

So Saints in 40k can only be women, right?

[near wasp]

Sanginor is a dude

[wispy plume]

Oh good to know! :> Thanks!

[dense mortar]

So... Curze killed and mutilated Vulkan numerous times. Killing him in unique and painful ways time and time again. And Vulkan still maintained

wow

[near wasp]

Curze was kinda of an asshole

[dense mortar]

The things he did to break and torture Vulkan . . are just crazy. But Vulkan retained his resolve through all of it. Even being stripped naked and cast out of a airlock into open space. Or fired into planetary orbit from space with no protective gear

[orchid thicket]

Is Sanguinor a living saint?

I guess he's the Blood Angels equivalent of one

[near wasp]

Also there are male saints like saint gerstahl

[gloomy citrus]

[signal bramble]

One of abaddon’s black crusades was to stop some dude from rising as one iirc.

[signal bramble]

Everyone knows Angron was short for Angry Ronald.

[crimson kayak]

Mathieu too from the Dark Imperium books is one if we want to get more recent

[near wasp]

I dont think hes a true saint

[crimson kayak]

It's just that mostly sororitas saints are shown because they are the more fighty ones

[near wasp]

Saints can resurrect after desth and as far as i know mathieu hasnt done that

[crimson kayak]

Not yetTM

[near wasp]

Hes still not a saint xD

[celest dome]

Isn't he an Imperial Saint but not a Living Saint ?

[crimson kayak]

Eh, I don't know how to call someone that can channel the power of the God emperor to exorcise daemons and destroy nurgle artifacts

[near wasp]

Still doesnt make him a living saint

He was a man of faith and might be an imperial saint, but hes not a living saint

[jaunty hedge]

Didn't big E will Living Saints into existence by accident?

[crimson kayak]

Also another guy from the same books does similar stuff

Anyhow, even not counting them, there's still a bunch of living saints who are not sororitas/similar

[echo vault]

I thought this gun had 3 barrels and it made it funnier

[celest dome]

A lot of people have shown such thingd

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the only ones I ever seen do this to this level are the guys from the Dark Imperium books

Like the cadian preacher that summoned a tornado of flames that only burned the plague zombies before disappearing

And him disappearing alongside it

[rose thorn]

Angron would fucking love to be a farmer tbh

[frosty pecan]

i want a kriegsman to get the drop on some super powerful daemon and shovel whack it. i just think id be funny to hear a BONK mid battle and see a small shovel imprint on a bloodthirsters forehead

[crimson kayak]

i do remember something along the lines of some kriegsmen charging a chaos dreadnought, can't remember if it was some fan art, animation or whatever

[signal bramble]

Unclear.

We know every time Celestine dies she has to regain her weapon, armor, and resist the temptations and overcome the challenges from all four chaos gods to resurrect.

[jaunty hedge]

Jesus okay

[urban spire]

not jesus

empra

[crimson kayak]

i mean, we technically don't know how living saints are actually made

and now that we have living people pulling their same shit it's even harder to say.

[storm jungle]

They basically just get handpicked by Big E yeah

just "do something memorable, have a good writer on your side, bada-bing"

[crimson kayak]

exactly

[dense mortar]

Ibram Gaunt seems like a bit of a BMF

[crimson kayak]

Ok, only things I could find about BMF was some German stuff and a Detroit gang, dafuq does it mean

Oh wait, never mind, found it, yes, yes he is.

[coarse mirage]

I'm listening to The Emperor's Legion and so far it's very good

Different characters are giving monologues about their perspectives so far

So I gotta quote what a sister of silence thinks to herself

"-But in essence they had let us wither. I explained this to Valerian a long time later when I was still angry.
He did his best to understand that. But I could not help contrast the life he had enjoyed cloistered in his halls of gold immersed in the finest and the oldest things of a fading empire when we were in the emptiness scratching for survival has horrific tides lapped at our ankles. It was all so stupid. That's the great danger that condemns us, not daemon blades but dumb ignorance. We've become a stupid race glorying in the easy goals of anger and piety. Then again, I'm aware my perspective is unusual.
You see reality differently lacking a soul. It's a harder place, I think. It's edges are sharper. There are no gods in my world. The things other people see, I do not.
Even He is not a god to us, though saying that out loud would soon see me in a jail and on the racks."

[dense mortar]

Whoever this is needs to be tried for treason against the Emperor.

[storm jungle]

I mean shes right tho

[near wasp]

Shes a great character

I do like valerian more but hes a custodes so take that with a grain of salt

[arctic talon]

I’m sure a member of the Talons of the Emperor will be tried for treason

This will go over very well with the imperial household

[coarse mirage]

The sisters see things for what they are, without the glamour.

But they're also incorruptible because of that.

They're better than people

They're on the level of the Custodes in being way above everyone else and thinking humanity, even the Astartes, are garbo

I remember some good quote bit from a Custodes about how broken the Astartes are and how their loyalty seems to be more to themselves than the Emperor.

[dense mortar]

Wait. . . why have you guys not put me onto stuff like this yet

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQmrZXewToE

Theres hundreds