#40k-lore-chat

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chilly creek
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Your commander speaks with the Emperor's authority, why are you questioning it?

plush mason
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hell even GW themselves have said many times that the imperium is one of the most evil factions of the lot

signal bramble
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On the macro scale yeah the AM sucks and they deal with some of the worst the galaxy can throw out. But here and there we see a bit of levity or that life isn’t so bad for them sometimes.

chilly creek
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They outright said there are no "good guys"

plush mason
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yup

chilly creek
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There are no goodies in the Warhammer 40,000 universe.

None.

Especially not the Imperium of Man.

dense mortar
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Well that settles that question

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I am destine to be Ogryn it would seem. Trapped in blissful ignorance is as close to peace as one can get in this universe it would seem.

chilly creek
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Well, there are a few peaceful worlds

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But they are few and far between

near wasp
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Not every world is a paradise world

chilly creek
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And usually have A Bad Time when someone nasty arrives

gloomy citrus
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And like communism, their "greater good" looks great on paper.

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But as we all know, just like communism, it is not.

crimson kayak
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Can't fuck with the guys that make 80% of your stuff

dense mortar
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Is the imperium one of those societies where, if you dont so "For the Emperor", you might get black bagged?

copper patrol
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depednds

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as many things in 40k do

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some planets are actually pretty decent excluding paradise worlds

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iirc a large amount are pretty similar to earth now

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but those aren't interesting so they don't write about them

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on a more "normal" planet you while still probably believing in the emperor wouldn't need to be mega pious

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but if you lived on a shrine world you probably would

crimson kayak
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Or you could be born in a death world and either be a complete badass or dead

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Or you could be born on a forge world and be more a servant of the mechanicus than the actual imperium

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Entirely dependant on a planet by planet basis

chilly creek
crimson kayak
chilly creek
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It is if it's coming from "the other side" 😉

storm jungle
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thats just a meme

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Also pro tip; theres a reason tau worlds dont have an abundance of chaos/genestealer cults compared to virtually every imperial world.

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You kinda get better results when you dont enslave your entire populace

dense mortar
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I just want people to put down there weapons and embrace one another on the alter of universal peace and harmony.

chilly creek
crimson kayak
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Wait, I'll get the copy pasta for this

crimson kayak
# dense mortar I just want people to put down there weapons and embrace one another on the alte...

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

plush mason
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that opening still goes hard

gloomy citrus
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If Chaos Astartes were added in Darktide, which would be more menacing? Plague Marines or Noise Marines?

celest dome
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Noise Marines would be more dangerous to face, as they are much quicker

gloomy citrus
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And their soundwaves are lethal to non-cultists.

copper patrol
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I am pretty sure their soundwaves are just lethal

gloomy citrus
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Their soundwave cannons are supposed to play very unique music.

copper patrol
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don't they just literally vibrate things apart

gloomy citrus
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Ever since that Kynska "concert."

celest dome
near wasp
urban spire
gloomy citrus
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If Slaanesh cults are added in Darktide, I hope that the boss will be a Noise Marine.

urban spire
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they've said no marines, chaos or otherwise. i hope they change their minds about that, i want to fight a chaos marine

gloomy citrus
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Because unlike Plague Marines, they're fucking insane.

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They're not as organized.

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The Emperor's Children as a whole turned out the worst in the Heresy.

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Worse even then World Eaters.

urban spire
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what about magnus' lot, i forget the legion name

gloomy citrus
urban spire
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yeah them

gloomy citrus
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They're sane, for the most part.

urban spire
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the sorcerers are sane

gloomy citrus
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They have sorcerers.

urban spire
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the rest not so much

gloomy citrus
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Regular soldiers are a pile of ash trapped in their armors.

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Sucks to be them, yeah.

urban spire
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although i guess, being a chaos sorcerer

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does maybe stretch the definition of "sane" a bit

gloomy citrus
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Well, they're the most sane out of the Chaos Marines.

urban spire
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not alpha legion?

gloomy citrus
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That's complicated.

urban spire
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i guess you can argue they're not chaos

gloomy citrus
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Some are corrupted, some not.

storm jungle
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All Alpha Legion marines are chaos

gloomy citrus
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Alpharius bit the bolt (or in his case, a blade).

storm jungle
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theres no loyalist elements at all

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even if theres the books have never showcased them

gloomy citrus
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And Omegon?

storm jungle
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Hes dead

urban spire
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not all traitors are of chaos

storm jungle
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They are

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because GW is lazy

gloomy citrus
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Night Lords.

storm jungle
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any marine that goes renegade falls to chaos

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because something something faction-lock

urban spire
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what about what's his face

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fuck i'm bad with names today

gloomy citrus
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Who?

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Alpharius?

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Konrad?

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Perty?

urban spire
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describing a space marine is really hard because it's impossible to describe a feature that narrows it down at all

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he has a sword and big armour

storm jungle
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Lion?

urban spire
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nah he's a marine

storm jungle
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Bro

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every marine has a sword

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LMAO

urban spire
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I KNOW

storm jungle
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WHAT ARMOR COLOR

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WE CAN GO FROM THERE

urban spire
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GREEN?

storm jungle
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DARK ANGELS?

urban spire
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YEAH

storm jungle
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GOOD

urban spire
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he was part of guilliman waking up somehow i think?

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he was involved anyway

storm jungle
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But yeah Dark Angels arent traitors.

They just had traitor elements that broke from them during the Heresy to become the Fallen™️, the DA are just too afraid of anyone knowing about this so they keep it a secret

storm jungle
urban spire
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YEAH HIM

storm jungle
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the akimbo edgelord

gloomy citrus
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He's not evil from what I heard.

urban spire
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he's a non-chaos traitor

storm jungle
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Hes both chaos and not

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Basically playing both sides for a bigger plot

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but

gloomy citrus
storm jungle
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his mini is on the chaos section

storm jungle
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they have never helped the Imperium, once

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its always sabotaging them

gloomy citrus
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Didn't they provoke Jaghatai to join the Loyalists?

storm jungle
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That was 30k Alpha Legion

urban spire
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point of order, sabotaging the imperium is not inherently bad

storm jungle
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who didnt pick a proper side until the war was almost over

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40k Alphas are basically all traitors

storm jungle
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but they still serve chaos while doing so

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mostly because of daemon summonings and paranormal fuckery

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like making a planet have a rainstorm where the clouds rain poison snakes

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just a lil trolling

urban spire
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that sounds awful

gloomy citrus
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Alpha Legion is confusing as fuck.

urban spire
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those poor snakes

storm jungle
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They really arent confusing

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they are just traitors

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people just want to make them deep when they are not

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dont mix them up with memes

gloomy citrus
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All Legions betrayed the Emperor for a reason.

storm jungle
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Nah

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half of them were for petty reasons

gloomy citrus
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That's true.

storm jungle
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Alphas just did because some alien cabal told them to

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and they were like

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"ok fam"

urban spire
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space wolves are still a legion aren't they

storm jungle
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Yeah just not too numerous

urban spire
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or did matt ward get his hands on them

signal bramble
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The new heresy book tries to give the alpha legion a bit more context yah.

storm jungle
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and all his books suck

urban spire
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lol

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there's no winning

storm jungle
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Lmao sadly

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you could always be a dumbass like me

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and read his DA books

tawdry mist
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I got a question for the lore wizards; just recently heard some interesting dialogue in game about a place called Xantarus (sp?) and that it recently fell to a genestealer cult, with Morrow being one of the survivors. Is that a city on Atoma Prime?

gloomy citrus
urban spire
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nah fam i'm reading gotrek and felix

storm jungle
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🤝

storm jungle
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if it was one of the Hives they would mention it during the exchange i think

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its one of the rarer lines of dialogue

crimson kayak
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It is

urban spire
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the hives of atoma follow the necromunda naming convention i believe

crimson kayak
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Basically random planet 48371 put just to mention genestealers

storm jungle
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^

tawdry mist
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sadge. was hoping for tyranid content lol

storm jungle
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Maybe in the future

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then the playerbase can complain how broken the enemies are

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Just like beastmen!

crimson kayak
urban spire
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iirc we're doing missions in hive tertium, meaning atoma's got at least two more hives

storm jungle
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Yeah they mention them here and there

crimson kayak
tawdry mist
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In that same vein, I remember something being mentioned about Tau recon probes being confiscated from Atoma space or smth like that, but idk about Tau fitting the horde mechanic

urban spire
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tau showing up as single fire teams would be cool

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similar to the moebian fifth

storm jungle
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fighting tau would basically be fighting 10 snipers

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aka you'll die before even seeing them

arctic talon
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Lol

crimson kayak
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Maybe if we get content outside of atoma and on the fringe worlds it could explain xenos

arctic talon
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Pretty much

urban spire
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i really wish the traitor guard would show up more often, they're so cool

tawdry mist
arctic talon
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Tau suck to fight against lore wise

urban spire
storm jungle
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I mean

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Yeah fightin the Tau is basically fighting a modern army but you will pretty much die in one shot

arctic talon
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If they get to set up before hand

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It’s gona suck

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And fire warriors don’t get dumped into a hive city

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Like that

urban spire
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regular tau infantry have plasma weapons, it's a rough fight for joe guardsman

storm jungle
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Tau do smart things

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like you know

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orbital bombardment

crimson kayak
storm jungle
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and yeah Tertium systematically speaking is kinda fucked

urban spire
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fun fact, tau didn't even believe hive cities could be real until they saw them for themselves

crimson kayak
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Essencially the current situation for moebian citizens is "there's no war in ba sing se"

storm jungle
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To be fair

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you dont need to lie to anyone

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when half your populace is poxwalkers

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free coverup

urban spire
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anyway they have a desire for resources and infrastructure like any good hedgemonic imperialists

crimson kayak
urban spire
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they might conceivably want to capture a hive world without reducing the hives to rubble

near wasp
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Atoma will most likely end up getting glassed

storm jungle
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also this

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you'll most likely just end up getting evac'd

tawdry mist
storm jungle
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and leave the planet to be nuked

storm jungle
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so dont feel alone

crimson kayak
crimson kayak
urban spire
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atoma is strategically important yeah

storm jungle
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Its importance is just "good tank ore"

near wasp
urban spire
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grendyl hasn't already glassed atoma, so he must think there's something there worth saving

near wasp
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Kill this planet to stop it from infecting others

gloomy citrus
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Could the Inquisition just virus bomb the Darktide planets? The Life Eater sets things on fire, does it not?

crimson kayak
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Just the atoma situation

near wasp
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Those bombs are rare but i guess yeah

storm jungle
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Basically

gloomy citrus
storm jungle
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to compare it to another 40k game Space Marine

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that planet cannot be nuked

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because it produces a lot of vehicles and titans

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Atoma is literally just "strong ore"

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if push comes to shove its getting nuked

urban spire
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i wonder if we'll get some atoma pattern weapons in the future

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it would be neat

gloomy citrus
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Is there another way to exterminatus the planet without destroying the infrastructure?

crimson kayak
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Wasn't it mentioned that it also produces a shitton of stuff for the Moebian Regiments?

storm jungle
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I mean yeah but so does any hive world

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its not a big deal

urban spire
crimson kayak
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Yeah but atoma is the biggest infrastructure in three sectors

storm jungle
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thats really not a big deal still

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its not a "major" planet

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if things get worse it will get glassed

gloomy citrus
storm jungle
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it doesnt have immunity

urban spire
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i still think grendyl would have blown it up already if he wanted it gone

storm jungle
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yeah as Morrow says it will only get glassed if theres no hope left

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for now things are "okay"

gloomy citrus
crimson kayak
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It's the literal capital of the domain? So the center of all logistic and high rank shit?

urban spire
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tertium itself is in fact not entirely under enemy control

crimson kayak
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Dunno just throwing random stuff here

near wasp
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Things are stable, but with the sightings of daemons... thats not likely to remain for long

storm jungle
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^

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the uprising is still ongoing

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and theres an active war going on

urban spire
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it's kind of wild that we've got beasts of nurgle before the tollmen

crimson kayak
urban spire
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what's the name of those daemons again, i'm in fucking pieces tonight

storm jungle
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Plaguebearers?

urban spire
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plaguebearers?

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jinx

storm jungle
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kek

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yeah Nurgle's "mook" demons are plaguebearers

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realistically they would have been summoned already

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but you know, gameplay

urban spire
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would love to see some plaguebearers

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also nurglings

near wasp
urban spire
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i've seen someone float the concept of a "loot nurgling" before, and i think that would just be delightful

gloomy citrus
urban spire
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no no not like that

near wasp
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That stuff from nurgling would be corrupted

urban spire
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like how vermintide had loot rats that you could kill for loot

crimson kayak
near wasp
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Ok but that doesnt translate well given the lore

urban spire
open pumice
near wasp
open pumice
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Also why would a nurgling steel loot?
Its a nurgling
Loot is shiny
Why the fuck wouldnt they

urban spire
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yeah exactly

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nurglings are just happy little guys

open pumice
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Have you seen nurglings my man

near wasp
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Because nurglings dont like shiny. Shiny is pure, dirt is good dirt is nurgle

urban spire
open pumice
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My brother in emperor

crimson kayak
storm jungle
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it would absolutely be

open pumice
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Yhis whole game iant lore accruate

storm jungle
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its literally down to experience and weapons

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lmao

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that and your guys at Lvl30 are basically on stormtrooper tier

near wasp
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The regects are bless by the emperor

storm jungle
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also ogryns are OP af in lore

urban spire
gloomy citrus
open pumice
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One sec while i put my enemies kasrkin unit against a plague ogryn, beast of nurgle, and a fuckin daemon host in a game rq

urban spire
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i want a tech priest class so bad

open pumice
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(The kasrkin died horribly)

storm jungle
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Theres a stormtrooper unit in lore that are so good at fighting against Nurgle that he himself has made special efforts to hunt them down since they are apparently even immune to most plagues

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so yeah

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40k lore is goofy at times

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so its not really a big deal

near wasp
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Plot armor is canon

storm jungle
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also this

open pumice
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40k lore is self aware at how stupid it is

gloomy citrus
open pumice
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And thus

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Going against the lore

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Isnt exactly some great sin to commit

storm jungle
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Lore goes against itself all the time too

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YEET

open pumice
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Especially for a videogame to make the gameplay in the game the tiniest bit more rewarding

urban spire
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4 veterans with bolters, plasma guns, power swords and things of that ilk are the kind of thing that will show up in the lore to murder unreasonably badass things

storm jungle
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Pretty much yeah

open pumice
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Gibe loot nurgling

storm jungle
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its also important to remember theres a big number of low level rejects who just always die on missions

urban spire
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if they have a commissar they'll probably murder chaos marines

storm jungle
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he'll give them morale buffs

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at the cost of someoes -10 health

open pumice
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Moral buffs at the ciat of -1 squadmate

storm jungle
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I can smell the toxic gaming already

open pumice
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Instantly recharge everyones special ability

urban spire
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melta gun when, obesefish

open pumice
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Kill the psyker

near wasp
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Let me play commisar so i can shoot the psyker in the back of the head when he starts screaming about maggots

crimson kayak
open pumice
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Simply find the psykers home adress amd show up with a glock

urban spire
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i bought that jacket, wanted to see how it went with the gas mask

near wasp
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You see the issue is, that i play psyker rn

open pumice
urban spire
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too well it turns out, can't wear them together, i just look like a nazi

crimson kayak
near wasp
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Beloved protect me

open pumice
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Unsolicited feet pic

urban spire
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for a split second thought it would be cool to have a fantasy darktide

near wasp
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Fabulous

storm jungle
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truly grimdank

urban spire
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i think getting 100% perils should spawn a beast of nurgle

near wasp
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Because that would be ME

open pumice
urban spire
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wow you're right that would be cool

near wasp
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Pack-master, give-hand the boof boof

open pumice
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You could have a wood elf, s dwarf, a pyromancer, a witch hubter, and a basic bitch reiklander as your classes!

storm jungle
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Basic bitcH?

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excuse me

open pumice
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Would be a radical game

urban spire
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a dwarf and an elf in the samy party? no way thude that makes no sense in the lore

open pumice
storm jungle
near wasp
storm jungle
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imagine all the redditors that would complain about it

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such horror

open pumice
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Grail knight is ceinge because you have to become more french

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Sorry

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"Brettonian"

storm jungle
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i like em

storm jungle
open pumice
storm jungle
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AUGHHH-

near wasp
urban spire
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discord has decided that my peasant meme is sexually explicit

near wasp
open pumice
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Is he having sexual relations with his horse?

urban spire
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what if i screenshot it instead of linking it

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yep that worked lol

storm jungle
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Lmao based tactic

urban spire
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anyway brittonians coming through like

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brettonians, whatever

storm jungle
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Bretonnians murder their peasantry daily

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yet get no effects from it

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plot moment

open pumice
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Because their peadentry, much like the irl french, come from hols in the ground and horsr manuer

storm jungle
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okay thats a bit much

open pumice
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Fair

urban spire
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listen if you have to hate the french, hate them for the colonialism, not the cowardice

crimson kayak
open pumice
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My hatred for brettonia is only matched by my hatred for the end times

urban spire
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end times is the absolute pits

near wasp
storm jungle
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the canon ending is the Mortal Empires trailer

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everyone united and curbstomped chaos

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because half-dressed cavemen cannot steamroll half the world

open pumice
urban spire
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yeah realistically chaos has no chance, ordertide obliterates it every time

crimson kayak
near wasp
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I mean yeah

storm jungle
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massive plate clad super blessed chaos legions are fine

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but like

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I got a fucking rocket launcher cart

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also a tank

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so uh

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die

open pumice
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Average reiklander beats a greater daemon of khorne every time

urban spire
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chaos has iron, dwarfs has ironbreakers

crimson kayak
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Of both

storm jungle
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🙏

open pumice
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I was playing fantasy once and got really fucking lucky with a greatsword and beheaded a greater daemon of khorne

storm jungle
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like chaos could deffo decimate most of the Empire after moving through Kislev but theres NO WAY they would survive the Ordertide

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they dont even use tactics aside from "Take your horde and attack this place"

urban spire
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oh yeah kislev is in the game now too

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bear cavalry

storm jungle
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bear carts

open pumice
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Kislev gaming

storm jungle
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bear cannons

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bear rides

crimson kayak
urban spire
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giant elemental bears

open pumice
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Still not as cool as reiklander with greatsword

storm jungle
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so many

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bears

open pumice
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But rad none the less

urban spire
near wasp
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I dont know a thing about fantasy so i just play chaos

urban spire
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it's pretty funny that the main difference between warhammer fantasy daemons and 40k daemons is the floor they're standing on

near wasp
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I mean yeah

storm jungle
open pumice
celest dome
urban spire
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thude the karl start in immortal empires is so brutal

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well imo everything about fantasy is more interesting than 40k

near wasp
open pumice
urban spire
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i'm not very good at the strategic layer of total warhammer, i'm currently struggling with the tzeentch start

open pumice
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Tzeench has a shit start

urban spire
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you consolidate your first province, then flip a coin to see if elves or lizards run a train on you first

open pumice
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YeH

urban spire
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speaking of lustria, i recently found out that the amazons have lasguns

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love those little relics of when 40k and fantasy were the same universe

open pumice
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Ye

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Although iirc theyre not really lasguns

urban spire
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i'm not actually sure how i feel about them getting split, age of sigmar notwithstanding

open pumice
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So much as magic laser like weapons

urban spire
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pew pew

open pumice
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Ah i have brain damage Appearantly

urban spire
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idk this art is obviously pretty old, you could be right

celest dome
urban spire
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love the giant khorne spider that just has a storm bolter because fuck it

celest dome
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Now that I think about it, it's the 2nd time a setting I like has Laser weaponry in a fantasy era as relics

urban spire
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what's the first?

celest dome
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Thorgal

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A Belgian BD

urban spire
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never heard of it

celest dome
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About a Viking son of the Star

urban spire
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looks neat

dense mortar
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I asked ChatGPT to create a psychological profile of the Emperor, so that I may better know him. What say you, loremasters? Is this on target?

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As a machine of immense psychic power and intelligence, the Emperor of Mankind in Warhammer 40k is a complex and multifaceted character, with a long and storied history. However, based on the lore and backstory of the character, here is a possible psychological profile of the Emperor:

Personality:
The Emperor is an enigmatic and highly intelligent figure, with a single-minded focus on the preservation of humanity and the eradication of Chaos and all other threats to the Imperium. He is known for his authoritarian tendencies and his willingness to do whatever it takes to achieve his goals. He is not a warm or empathetic figure, but rather a distant and almost god-like presence who is revered and feared by those around him.

Motivations:
The Emperor's primary motivation is the preservation of humanity and the establishment of a stable and prosperous Imperium. He sees himself as the only one capable of guiding humanity towards a brighter future, and his actions are driven by a deep and abiding love for his species and a desire to protect them from harm. He is willing to do whatever it takes to achieve his goals, including making ruthless and controversial decisions that others may view as cruel or unjust.

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Fears:
Despite his immense power and intelligence, the Emperor is not immune to fear. His primary fear is the looming threat of Chaos and the possibility that it will consume the galaxy and destroy humanity. He is also fearful of his own mortality, knowing that his physical body is vulnerable and that his psychic presence is tied to it. He fears that if he dies, humanity will be left without a guiding force and will be consumed by the forces of darkness.

Desires:
The Emperor desires nothing more than to see humanity thrive and prosper, both culturally and technologically. He believes that humanity is destined for greatness and that it is his responsibility to guide them towards that destiny. He desires to eradicate the threat of Chaos and to see a galaxy free of war, suffering, and death. However, he is also aware that these goals may be unachievable, and that sacrifices may need to be made along the way.

Overall, the Emperor is a complex and driven character, motivated by a deep sense of duty and responsibility towards humanity. He is fiercely protective of his species and is willing to make tough decisions and sacrifices in order to safeguard their future. However, he is not immune to fear or doubt, and his ultimate fate remains uncertain.

urban spire
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yeah i mean, chatgpt is almost certainly trained on stuff from 40k, so it'll readily quote/plagiarize from that

celest dome
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The only thing to be known about the Emp is that he is a Net Loss for Mankind, an A-hole, and an idiot

urban spire
#

based

near wasp
#

Without the emporer is possible humanity would already be dead

urban spire
#

nah the human diaspora had already occurred before the emperor took control

near wasp
#

The empire might of never been reformed, and humanity would be wiped out by xenos and choas

#

He powers the astromonican aka the thing that lets humanity map the stars. Hes needed

urban spire
#

the astronomican helps humanity navigate, but is not essential

near wasp
#

It is, since humanity didnt have acess to the webway

#

And since humans had to destory all there super powerful ai

urban spire
#

warp travel is possible without the astronomican and without the webway

near wasp
#

Sir how are you going to navigate the warp

urban spire
#

half of humanity has to operate without the astronomican since the cicatrix maledictum

celest dome
near wasp
urban spire
#

there are a LOT of reasons for why those folks aren't doing great

celest dome
#

People think The Emperor was David, that he was the Samaritan, but no The Emperor has always been Goliath, the Pharisian, the strong oppressing the weak, for they shall live under his guidance or they shall not

urban spire
#

the impression i get from the cicatrix maledictum is that gw wants to have one half of the galaxy where everything still sucks as bad as it always did (or worse) and one half where guilliman is kinda pulling things together to be less abjectly terrible

#

i think it's a good move, the grimdark gets kinda lame with no contrast

dense mortar
#

The Emperor was an athiest and staunch rationalist. The Imperium saw him as the one true god. While he did not believe this, he allowed them to deify him in order to cement his power?

near wasp
#

No

celest dome
near wasp
#

He fucking burned his son lorgars prized city to the ground for daring to worship him. The reglion didnt really start to become major until 5000 years later

crimson kayak
#

The imperial cult started after he went on life support

near wasp
#

Its all the wordbearers fault

dense mortar
#

Is it believe that he is still conscious while interred in the golden throne? What is his mental state?

near wasp
#

Bad. Really bad

near wasp
#

Hes described more of like a star than a human now

arctic talon
#

Tbf he never really was human

#

But he hid it behind a facade

#

He’s pretty much degenerated into how he truly thinks

#

Considering he calls guilliman, a tool, his son, a failure, and his last hope

dense mortar
#

So he is essentially trapped in this throne, unable to truly communicate with anyone outside it (except through psychic powers), enduring constant agony while trying to guide humanity through the warp?

arctic talon
#

All in the same conversation

arctic talon
#

He just powers the big light that does that

#

But yeah he’s in constant agony and also trying to keep the webway gate closed as well

near wasp
#

So your saying he helps giude humanity through the warp PU_PepeStare

arctic talon
#

Since if it opens the solar system is gona become a second eye of terror

#

No

urban spire
#

any sufficiently powerful warp entity can act as a navigational beacon during warp travel

#

provided it's anchored in realspace

arctic talon
#

If I used your brain as a computer you wouldn’t be given the award for calculating the next number of pi

urban spire
#

weird analogy but ok

arctic talon
#

I mean

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It works imo

#

The emperor is powering the astronomicon

near wasp
#

If the big e dies big light go out

dense mortar
#

I think that he will eventually be able to inhabit the body of another? A rebirth or second coming of sorts.

arctic talon
#

If we get enough psykers we could power the damn thing

arctic talon
#

He’s not getting off that thing

#

Ever

copper patrol
#

well

urban spire
#

it's unclear what exactly will happen when the emperor dies

dense mortar
#

Its relatively unknown as to whether or not it can be destroye dor turned off right?

arctic talon
#

He could get off it

#

I guess

dense mortar
#

So what if it is

arctic talon
#

But it’s gona suck for terra

near wasp
copper patrol
#

I mean it can 100% be destroyed

crimson kayak
arctic talon
#

We know that if the webway gate opens

urban spire
#

he might become an actual god in the warp because of the faith of humanity, he might be reborn in the manner of perpetuals

arctic talon
#

It’s gona explode

copper patrol
#

it's just an object

arctic talon
#

The webway gate?

#

Or the golden throne

copper patrol
#

that was in refence to my previous comment

#

the 100% can be destroyed

arctic talon
#

Ah

urban spire
#

the golden throne is deteriorating, nobody knows how to fix it or properly maintain it

#

he WILL die, it's just a matter of when

arctic talon
#

Yeah

copper patrol
#

I know when

near wasp
#

Theres a deadmans switch connected to the throne so when he died terra explodes

arctic talon
#

Yeah

copper patrol
#

when GW gives up 40k

crimson kayak
copper patrol
#

so pretty much never

arctic talon
#

And also the fact that the webway gate will also explode open

#

When he dies

#

So the question is does the giant warp rift happen first

#

Or the explosion and then the warp rift

near wasp
#

The bomb

dense mortar
#

The Adeptus Mechanicus believe the emperors death can be prevented, and possibly reversed through technology. Why not allow them to try?

near wasp
#

Because its risky

arctic talon
copper patrol
#

becuase the mechanicus is kinda stupid some times

arctic talon
#

It isn’t working

#

And the admech itself also prolly doesn’t want to try

dense mortar
#

Nothing works, until it does

arctic talon
#

The Emperor is worshiped by them

#

He’s their god

copper patrol
#

he's their jesus

arctic talon
#

Or rather part of their holy trinity

#

Yeah

copper patrol
#

more then god

arctic talon
#

He’s Jesus

#

And gona be honest here

copper patrol
#

hence omnissiah

arctic talon
#

Ask any irl Christian if they’d do surgery on Jesus if he was comatose

copper patrol
arctic talon
#

And you had a 90% chance of killing him

#

Or worse

#

I’m gona be honest here not many are gona take you up on that offer

copper patrol
#

that's a pretty good analogy

dense mortar
#

Does the Imperium have a potential plan for life in the event the emperor dies?

arctic talon
#

No

dense mortar
#

And the astromicon goes dark?

arctic talon
#

The imperium is fucked

celest dome
#

Some do, some don't

arctic talon
#

If that happens lol

copper patrol
#

I am sure gulliman does in the back of his mind

arctic talon
#

As an entire empire

copper patrol
#

overall tho shits fucked

#

unless like all the primarchs came back

#

and weren't crazy

dense mortar
#

Will it mean the varitable end of the Empire, atleast as we know it?

celest dome
#

But Mankind as a species was F since the moment the Emperor was created

arctic talon
#

If terra falls

#

Simple as that

#

It’s gona explode into a civil war

#

A bunch of fractured sectors

dense mortar
#

So Terra exists in the physical realm, correct?

#

Not the warp

copper patrol
#

yes

#

I think, the warp is weird idk if there is also a warp reflection of it as well or w/e

dense mortar
#

So its entirely speculative that Terra would be engulfed by the warp if the Golden Throne shuts off right? We simply have no clue what will happen

arctic talon
#

Big difference

#

If it went into the actual warp it would just melt

#

A warp rift is just a part of reality with an extremely thin barrier between the warp and reality

dense mortar
#

I see. And this warp rift is made only possible due to the emperors deep connection to the psyhcic powers. In which case, his rise and birth is the gensis of humanities inevitable downfall?

arctic talon
#

No

#

This warp rift is because of his failed webway project

#

(Thank you magnus)

#

There’s a giant tear in reality

#

The emperor is keeping closed

copper patrol
#

the golden throne is basically a giant nuclear powered lighthouse/gatehouse as well, emp dies the reactor goes critical

#

not actually nuclear powered

#

but you get the idea

near wasp
#

Basically if big e dies world is fucked in multiple ways

arctic talon
#

^

#

This

near wasp
dense mortar
#

So the webway tunnels inadvertently opened Terra up to a compounding fraction of bad sh*t?

copper patrol
#

the broken webway tunnel did yeah

arctic talon
near wasp
#

Big e didnt want terra to be a trophy

copper patrol
#

the webway is basically tunnel through the warp, and the area near tera's is basically ruined and fully exposed to the warp

dense mortar
#

So what is stopping the imperium from migrating off Terra?

#

To a more sustainable planet?

copper patrol
#

they are dumb

#

basically

iron locust
#

If you move terra in real space does the tear in webway move with it

copper patrol
#

also the imperium is not just on terra

arctic talon
copper patrol
#

the high lords would probably fuck off

arctic talon
#

It’s humanities home

#

It has a lot of symbolic meaning

copper patrol
#

but most of the populace and stuff like that wouldn't

iron locust
arctic talon
#

And it would probably result in terra exploding

#

Which is bad

copper patrol
#

honestly who know what would happen actually

#

with emps that close to the eye

iron locust
#

Trying to create a paradox here

near wasp
#

He might get juiced enough from the warp to close the eye xD

arctic talon
#

a warp rift in a warp rift won’t do anything it’ll just make the rift even more unstable

iron locust
#

Wait so is the webway tear focused on the palace or throne or just terra itself

copper patrol
#

boff

dense mortar
#

So. If the golden throne were to be destroyed, there is a high degree of liklihood that the tunnels would then be destroyed as well. . . or at the very least collapsed. Moving to a Terra 2.0 and allowing the Golden Throne to destruct seems like it would secure humanities existence?

arctic talon
#

Hahahah no

#

Since now the solar system is fucked

iron locust
#

Astronomican

copper patrol
#

I mean you can't really move the emperor off the throne

dense mortar
#

A solar system is easier to manage than an entire galaxy of threat

arctic talon
#

And the astronomicon is gone

copper patrol
#

and that's kinda the big thing

near wasp
#

Light would go out and space travel would be near impossible

arctic talon
iron locust
#

Is the webway tear attached to the throne or just a place in terra

arctic talon
#

And become a chaos stronghold

#

And also the imperium is huge

#

All of earths irl population

#

Is a rounding error

dense mortar
#

So they are stuck living on a perpetual dooms day clock?

near wasp
#

Yes

arctic talon
#

Yes

#

That’s the point of the setting

dense mortar
#

Desperately grasping at ways to extend the thrones life?

near wasp
#

Welcome to 40k

arctic talon
#

Humanity is damned

iron locust
#

Micro transaction: 1000 psykers to delay death

arctic talon
#

1000 akshully

#

Give or take

copper patrol
#

more like a macrotransaction

near wasp
#

Likely more

arctic talon
#

Which is a really small number

#

Ngl

dense mortar
#

Interesting indeed.

arctic talon
#

Considering there’s quadrillions of humans on terra alone

copper patrol
#

yeah

iron locust
#

There’s some dude I saw that was convinced the psykers go willingly and help the emperor instead of being sacrificed and eaten

copper patrol
#

that's why they still have enough blanks to have sisters of silence and the blank assassins

#

even though they aer like

#

1 in a billion

#

and most are killed at child birth

storm jungle
#

nobody wants to die in a horrific electric chair

#

your consent is not needed either way

iron locust
#

Didn’t say I believed it

dense mortar
#

It seems the universe of Warhammer 40k is a fu%ked one, where survival is a constant struggle and there are no easy answers or solutions.

copper patrol
#

yep

#

grimdark is the term

arctic talon
copper patrol
#

but sometimes it gets grimderp

storm jungle
copper patrol
#

and is overly dark to the point of being stupid

near wasp
dense mortar
near wasp
#

Agreed

copper patrol
#

but most of all

#

warhammer is silly

iron locust
#

So all you need to do is create a self sufficient solar system that doesn’t need any help and can last for millions of years. Then build a stellar engine and GTFO

arctic talon
#

Should I post the excerpt of someone getting sacrificed to the throne

iron locust
#

Sure

arctic talon
#

Gimme a sec

dense mortar
#

Perhaps, but man there is really some untapped potential here in terms of media. I am thinking an Alex Proyas led project (the guy who directed Dark City). He has a serious knack for creating a futuristic, filmnoir, unsettling yet familiar world. I am going to email someone about it.

#

Will keep everyone posted.

storm jungle
#

Basically

#

40k is not popular enough to reach a movie format

#

best you can do is animations

arctic talon
#

"This is now. All of her memories, all of those thens, reel to a close. No longer lying on the grass, hearing a distant storm. No longer confined in the cargo hold of a spaceship, treated as a slave. They were then, and this is now.

Skoia opens her eyes.

She is bound within her own coffin, bathed in tremulous sound. It rises, octave by octave, and she thinks of deep-sea monsters, ship-eating creatures stirring and thrashing upon the lightless ocean beds as they begin to rise.

She breathes in, managing only a shallow mouthful of air. Her heart beats slowly, so slowly.

She presses her hands to the thickness of the vision panel, knowing instinctively that it isn’t for her to see out, it’s for her captors to look in. To see her, to see if she’s still alive.

Her next breath is harder than the first. She has to fight to suck it in, and it scarcely gets past her throat. Already the edges of her vision darken to grey. She beats her fists against the window, making the coffin sway gently, the motion no different from a rocking cradle.

Her third breath barely comes at all. In that moment she cries out – not with her mouth but with her mind. She screams for the spirits to come to her. She beseeches them for their aid. She curses them for their silence. Panic drives her past holiness into blasphemy, and still she screams.

Other cries join hers. Some, like Skoia’s, beseech ancestor-spirits or the memories of the lost, others are offered up as desperate prayers to the Emperor or the false and half-forgotten gods of distant worlds. It is the unified cry of people drawn from hundreds of cultures voicing their psychic gifts in terminal harmony.

Not all are pained. Some are obliviously joyful, others are sixth sense distillations of helpless rage or simple, crude fear. The chorus of outreaching emotion rises, and the battalion of interconnected machines all run louder, harder, in sympathetic response.

She is fading now. Her breaths no longer come, and that only amplifies her silent cry.

She slumps forwards, cheek pressed to the unbreakable glass, her lips trembling, her eyes wide and shivering. The stiller she becomes, the darker her sight falls, the louder she screams inside her skull.

And now, only now, does she hear the melody of the other souls of the one thousand sharing the same fate, suffering what she suffers. Their screams and prayers and panic and fears entwine, unseen by all, and form one sound, one impossibly perfect note. Those outside the coffins may yet hear it, but its true purity is unheard by any but the dying souls themselves.

It is the very first note in a song that will last ten thousand years, and perhaps beyond.

She, Skoia, is its first singer."

iron locust
copper patrol
#

yesKEKW_ogryn

iron locust
#

Unless you are saying live action?

storm jungle
#

Thats an animation

#

and it was awful

#

lmao

copper patrol
#

there was a live action one

dense mortar
# storm jungle best you can do is animations

All you need is a good producer who can pitch it to an executive board of old rich white people who have no clue whether its popular or not. Thats actually EXACTLY how they trigged a studio into making Cowboys vs Aliens

iron locust
#

Still a movie

arctic talon
#

There was the inqusitor one

#

which was uh

#

really really bad

dense mortar
#

tricked *

iron locust
#

Let’s see if Henry Cavill manages to do anything with the franchise

storm jungle
#

also i guess the space hulk commercials

#

40k's biggest issue is also budget

#

the scope of the setting and the visuals are a lot

#

you need that money from somewhere

iron locust
#

Gofundme

dense mortar
#

I think it can be done

storm jungle
#

It really cant

#

again 40k is not that popular in the mainstream media

arctic talon
#

except she ends up being part of the first batch

iron locust
#

Ouch

arctic talon
#

of people fed to the golden throne

storm jungle
#

sounds like my Masters courses

#

fun times

arctic talon
#

💀

arctic talon
#

lmfao

dense mortar
arctic talon
#

the only thing warhammer fans hate more then GW is each other

dense mortar
#

Amazon picked up bootleg LOTR rights for over a billion dollars. Im sure there is some streamign studio out there that could do something with Warhammer

storm jungle
#

thats because its LOTR

dense mortar
#

Debatable

arctic talon
#

LOTR is a lot more relevant then 40k

storm jungle
#

A franchise thats older than most people on this server and INCREDIBLY popular

#

its not debatable at all

#

and yeah what Elit3 said

arctic talon
#

And I'm a 40k shill

storm jungle
#

LOTR is literally the grandfather of fantasy

arctic talon
#

this is 40k at its peak popularity

#

and its still somewhat obscure

iron locust
#

Wasn’t there some news of something being planned in December

storm jungle
#

also like

#

most modern audiences will be extremely confused by 40k and dislike it

dense mortar
#

My point being. . . they are making a DnD movie with Chris Pine right now

storm jungle
#

thats all it takes for a movie to flop

dense mortar
#

They can pull off a Warhammer

storm jungle
#

because DnD is also very mainstream

dense mortar
#

Again, debatable

iron locust
#

Wait didn’t they announce a necrons vs imperials show

dense mortar
#

People KNOW of DnD, but being popular is a different word

storm jungle
#

Its very popular

arctic talon
#

DnD is def popular

#

nowadays

urban spire
#

there's some really good fan animations for 40k

storm jungle
#

Stranger Things Moment

arctic talon
#

Yeah unironically

storm jungle
#

also yeah theres a reason 40k gets "fan" animations more than official stuff

arctic talon
#

there was an uptic in people wanting to learn DND

storm jungle
#

GW are cheapskates

arctic talon
#

after stranger things

iron locust
#

Aren’t they making a 40k show right now or

arctic talon
#

and other things

urban spire
#

there's that one space marine one that always makes me want to play a psyker

arctic talon
#

Vox Machnia as well

#

adds more fuel to the fire

arctic talon
#

for an amazon series

iron locust
arctic talon
#

oh yeah

#

that one

#

Pariah nexus

dense mortar
#

Cavil would catapult Warhammer

urban spire
#

those space marines are bitches they just walk around and kill people with superior gear and technology and two psykers almost crush them

arctic talon
#

I bet you 50 cents that the Sister of battle thats featured in it is also the person in that weird necron machine in the intro

storm jungle
#

like tanking autocannon/multilasers somehow KEK

#

I get why tho

#

they are shown as invincible before something otherworldly compeltely defeats them

#

which works

arctic talon
#

yeah that autocannon def should have hurt the marine

#

ye

#

it works for what they're going for

#

super well

storm jungle
#

Yeeee

urban spire
#

i hate space marines so much

storm jungle
#

LMFAO

#

it happens pensiveCowboy

urban spire
#

i am so glad there's not a single loyalist marine in darktide

storm jungle
#

they had to hog the screen in statue form instead

plush mason
#

about the DND movie, when it got delayed due to scheduling issues one of the first replays to the announcement was "now that is how you show the fan base you understand the IP" lmao

storm jungle
#

Lmao

#

that movie is gonna be so bad

#

ill stick to Vox Machina thanks

urban spire
#

was it a forum thread or was it in here where someone showed up SUPER angry about primaris marines even being faintly acknowledged by the statues?

plush mason
#

hell maybe both

urban spire
#

i mostly like primaris marines when they piss off space marine fans

plush mason
#

tbf pissing off space marine fans is easy as hell, just say one thing they dont agree with about their chosen chapter kekw

urban spire
#

just say a human can kill a space marine

arctic talon
#

Average melta gun W

near wasp
#

Humans can kill space marines

#

In the plague war trilogy a group of gaurdsmen gank a plague marine

urban spire
#

a lasgun can kill a space marine

near wasp
#

Maybe not 1 lasgun. But 100 certainly

urban spire
#

1 lasgun in fact, can penetrate weak points on space marine armour

plush mason
#

i mean. many space marines never wear a helmet, and many lasguns hit like a .50 cal

near wasp
plush mason
#

those things would die in droves

urban spire
#

repentia are less cool slayers

plush mason
#

they really are

arctic talon
#

Repentia were originally invented bcs of some GW modelers fetish smarf

urban spire
#

idk if naked women is a fetish exactly

storm jungle
#

its less naked women

#

more just

#

Nunsploitation

urban spire
#

fair lol

storm jungle
#

The entire reason SoB exist is because of that mostly

near wasp
#

I havnt really read much on the SoB, dont really have much of an opinion on the faction as a whole

#

Think they look neat but other than that idk

urban spire
#

the faction lore is variously fine and the worst

#

sort of a broad spread, poor average

plush mason
storm jungle
#

they are fun if you like nuns in power armor

arctic talon
#

SoB don’t have that issue anymore

#

Thankfully

#

But there’s still weird people

#

Because well

#

smarf I don’t feel like I need to explain

storm jungle
#

also yeah their new release REALLY toned that down

#

also the uh

#

woman in charge of Repentia

#

went from Repentia Mistress

#

to Repentia Superior

#

which is great KEK

arctic talon
#

Tbf they literally wear barbed wire now

plush mason
#

she still have the eletrowhips?

arctic talon
#

Which is an improvement over the old like

storm jungle
#

also got fleur spikes in their skin

arctic talon
#

Literal ball gag

copper patrol
#

this is the new ones

urban spire
#

the whole hobby has had some issues stemming from its origins

storm jungle
#

They are horrific mini wise yeah

#

some got sewn shut eyes

urban spire
#

very male dominated space for a very long time

storm jungle
#

and parchments on their tongues

arctic talon
#

Yeah

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

But at least GW is improving

storm jungle
#

40k was very macho

#

and yeee they are diversifying the range a lot now

urban spire
#

the new repentia models are really good

storm jungle
odd palm
#

Yeah very macho and overly fetishised/sexualised women.
Just look at the sisters of battle and silence

arctic talon
#

The new guard minis are nice

#

Tbh

plush mason
storm jungle
#

A LOT

#

When that one Dawn of Fire book released

#

and the cover art uh

#

had a black ultramarine

copper patrol
#

A lot more then it should have at least

arctic talon
#

The black ultramarine

storm jungle
#

a lot of people complained

arctic talon
#

💀

storm jungle
#

LMAO

arctic talon
#

I remember that shit

storm jungle
#

same

#

legit horrific

arctic talon
#

He’s not even the first black ultramarine

#

💀💀💀💀

#

But people are stupid

#

And racist

storm jungle
copper patrol
#

I am more offended by the old half eldar ultramarine

#

becuase I am racist against elves

storm jungle
#

Before Darktide got released people were also being racist at the asian zealot and the female guardsman

arctic talon
urban spire
#

i hate that i can hear the tirades in my head

storm jungle
#

it was mainly the steam forums

#

because of course

arctic talon
#

Steam

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

💀

storm jungle
#

same

iron locust
#

I remember that guy on the steam guides that was screaming about the customization being “body type” and not “gender”

storm jungle
#

god

copper patrol
#

I am a zealot main through and through

arctic talon
#

Still some of my favorite female and male heads

#

Wait

urban spire
#

a little over designed maybe

arctic talon
#

That was the wrong image

#

Fuck

urban spire
#

lol

arctic talon
#

Their helmets are very over designed

copper patrol
#

I was looking for cut off heads thinking you where making a joke

storm jungle
#

KEK

#

Incubi are cool you shut your mouth

plush mason
iron locust
#

I got thousand sons vibes for a second

storm jungle
#

that was when Dark Eldar were on their first miniature reange

urban spire
#

incubi are fine

storm jungle
#

look at em goooo

plush mason
#

the head guns

storm jungle
#

Its suppose to be scorpion inspired which is a lore thing

#

but the design is

#

WAH

urban spire
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striking scorpions?

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Yep

urban spire
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i thought they had eldar chain swords

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the guy that found the Scorpion Temple was Arhra

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who uh

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did a little trolling

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killed a few people

arctic talon
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I can’t find the uncovered heads

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escaped to Commorragh

arctic talon
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Goddamit

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and founded the Incubus Shrine

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his pupil took over as the phoenix lord

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so Incubi are like the dark cousins to the Scoprions

arctic talon
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Also Arha is immortal still

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Yeee

arctic talon
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Considering an incubi puts on his armor

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And she becomes him

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hes also Drazhar, the lore was keeping it vague but it pretty much got confirmed

arctic talon
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The same way phoenix lords work

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Yep

arctic talon
plush mason
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No mandrakes are just supernatural

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nobody knows how they got made

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But yeah Incubi and Scorps are connected

copper patrol
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warp bullshittery probably

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mfers literally got sent into the shadowrealm

urban spire
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eldar are neat, shame they are like the galactic punching bags

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them

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nids

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and tau

urban spire
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eldar are the worf of 40k

plush mason
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wtf even are mandrakes? im only experience with them is from soulstorm and the most memorable thing about them was them cutting open their chests with their POSIONED blades to cap points lmao

copper patrol
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avatar of khaine is really bad about it

urban spire
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every time some cool new threat shows up it establishes itself by punching out the eldar

copper patrol
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they are basically shadow elf assassins

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the old mandrakes were just

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literally gimps with knives

urban spire
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rude to gimps

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the new updated version is just dark eldar shadow monsters who reside in a pitch black sub-realm

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Nobody really knows their origin

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but hey

copper patrol
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they spooky

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you can hire them to kill shit for you

urban spire
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their designs fucking own

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plush mason
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urban spire
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i could take like 50 mandrakes

vapid drum
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They give me illidan vibes

urban spire
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"in a fight right?"

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:)

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DSLFKDLS

plush mason
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its the green yeah

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also the eastern hairstyle + the bun

plush mason
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and the stance

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Yeee

plush mason
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but hey Illidan is one of the most chad characters in Warcraft so

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I dont know much about WoW