#40k-lore-chat

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storm jungle
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Vulkan probably wouldnt have done it anyway if Curze didn't bait him

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his gamer-rage took over

copper patrol
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iirc some night lord basically shot vulcan's human friend and just gunned down a load of people just to get to this eldari

storm jungle
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Vulcan basically got trolled

open pumice
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I know for a fact salamanders play golf using crozius' and eldar children

hushed kayak
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i didn’t know space marines could absorb memories, by tasting the victims blood as well. I thought eating the brain will do just that.

odd palm
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Nah they have a little sample of the local cuisine and know the best spots in town.
It's rarely mentioned in books, even when doing recon of unknown areas with little intel.

crisp heath
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Flesh Tearers be like "it's strategic"

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Although speaking of cannibals, the Mortifactors believe they can communicate with Guilliman telepathically. How do you think they feel about him being up and walking around?

shadow plover
dry epoch
odd palm
rough condor
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How do World Eaters still exist as a faction?

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At the rate they fight, often each other, and die

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And how little most of them care about anything but killing

gloomy citrus
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The more confusing faction that still seems to exist are the Emperor's Children.

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They're all degenerates.

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And they're all junkies.

mystic geyser
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@rough condor they have a god on their side.
(And outside of battle, can mostly function...).
It does still stretch credibility sometimes lol

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Emperors Children quit the Siege early to loot Terra, they started from a strong base in terms of numbers and resources

celest dome
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And they tend to have many cultist that would want to join their ranks (Plus having the likes of Fabious Bile and his cabal)

hushed kayak
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Let’s not forget that at the time, Fulgrim wasn’t very active outside of the immaterium. He still taught a lot of warbands his way, and what it means to strive for Slaanesh.

celest dome
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Taught, yes, nothing illicit to see here

rough condor
echo vault
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When the salamanders find all the relics of vulkan whatever they're called will vulkan reappear like captain planet

mystic geyser
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It's happened before...

hushed kayak
mystic geyser
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Vulkan is dead/missing until the current plot requires that he isn't

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I've no idea why finding artefacts would have anything to do with it though

storm jungle
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otherwise they are all as you say just mindless psychopaths lmao

gloomy citrus
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Khorne's bloodlust+ butcher's nails.

storm jungle
gloomy citrus
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I don't know who has it worst: Emperor's Children, World Eaters, Death Guard or Thousand Sons.

storm jungle
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Thousand Sons, Death Guard and the Emperor's Children don't really care about their situation

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World Eaters either admittedly

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all of them just wanna kill stuff and satisfy their gods

serene mist
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I feel like, if you wanted to really, really make things go bad
Having a World Eaters warlord antagonist who can actually plan would be terrifying wouldn't it?

storm jungle
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I mean that already kinda exists

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most World Eaters are basically braindead psychos but theres ones among them who can still strategize and do stuff

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they just need pointing in the right direction

serene mist
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I mean a World Eater who gets the idea of, say, conservation of forces, picking out strategic targets, that sort of thing

storm jungle
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yes, that exists

serene mist
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Oh

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...any good recommendations where we see that portrayed well?

storm jungle
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just codex/book blurbs

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Lord Invocatus is one example

serene mist
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Damn

open pumice
signal bramble
serene mist
signal bramble
serene mist
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Hmmm
May look into it
Was just wondering on how to portray SM who have a brutalist mindset

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If it's too focused on Angron I'm less hyped

signal bramble
serene mist
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Oh well that's good

signal bramble
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Angron at this point isn’t a general or a leader anymore, he’s a creature of near mindless rage and battle frenzy. Not a very interesting character since he’s not really a character at this point, he’s a force of nature and a plot device.

serene mist
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Unfortunate

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He was interesting before

signal bramble
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Over 3 hours in and it’s focused on world eaters characters and and the GK also. It characterizes how they deal with the nails, what experiencing it is like, their feelings towards the primarch, the fact there are some that really are competent rather than mindless frothing berserkers.

rough condor
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I am reading through it right now and it has some really interesting characters in it

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Angron really is treated as a thing that is happening, rather than a character we follow

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You got different flavours of khorne worship happening, from relatively new followers, to full blown lunatics

signal bramble
serene mist
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Huhhhhh
Neat

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Only issue is
Ngl was wanting to use aspects of it for a loyalist chapter

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Maybe a Chapter more susceptible to the Black Rage
Unsure

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Maybe just a very aggressive chapter in combat

brisk beacon
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.

brisk beacon
signal bramble
signal bramble
serene mist
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Homebrew

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But sure
Could read Flesh Tearers

crisp heath
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Honestly I'd like to see Angels Penitent get their own novel

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Love chapters that are one bad day away from going renegade

serene mist
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What do the Angels Penitent do again

arctic talon
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Blood angels chapter that went off the deep end

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Went from loving art and shit

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To bdsm flagallent freaks

crisp heath
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Their death company is almost larger than the sane portion of the chapter

serene mist
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Jeez

arctic talon
serene mist
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Sanguinius would be
d i s p l e a s e d

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Dante would be
a n g r y

arctic talon
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Also their chaplains are batshit insane as wel

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They sort of did that to them

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Went from having the lowest death company rates

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To some of the highest

serene mist
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Tbh

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If the Chaplains weren't batshit crazy
I'd wonder what they were doing

arctic talon
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Oh yeah all the chaplains who didn’t go along with the insane plan got tortured to death lol

serene mist
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What a friggin surprise

gloomy citrus
arctic talon
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They had a pretty explosive outbreak when it first occured

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But their actual rate isn’t high

gloomy citrus
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Huh.

crisp heath
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Lamenters are resistant by design

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Originally believed to be immune entirely

gloomy citrus
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Immune from what?

arctic talon
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The black rage

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They were free of it for a very long time

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And then they had an explosive outbreak

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They do however suffer from a weird sort of chapter wide depression

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Which is prolly a side effect of their gene seed being fucked with

gloomy citrus
arctic talon
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Yeah

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And their uh luck

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Doesn’t help with said chapter wide depression

crisp heath
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Reminder that the badab war was literally the "friendship is magic, but magic is heresy" meme

gloomy citrus
crisp heath
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More applicable to Badab

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Everyone except the Mantis Warriors hated the Lamenters so they were super buddies, then the Mantis Warriors did an oopsy woopsy and snorted Warp Crack, so the Lamenters tried to put them in rehab, which resulted in uh... "unlimited genocide"?

gloomy citrus
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And Krieg soldiers call it a dream.

arctic talon
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Mantis warriors just got done with their penitent crusade

crisp heath
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Ah

plush mason
arctic talon
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Very

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Aside from the admech fucking with gene seed way too much

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They ended up causing some sort of horrific mutation that effects all of them

open pumice
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Pog!

plush mason
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the admech some how some way managed to give the lamenters a luck stat of -50

open pumice
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Very good

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The real unlucky part of the pamenters is their color acheme being yellow woth black and white checkerboards

plush mason
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they dead ass look like imperial fist successors

crisp heath
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I like the implication that the entire cursed founding was just tossing Geneseed in a blender and seeing what came out

arctic talon
# open pumice Pog!

Mfw the space marine suddenly grows a third arm and 4 heads and screams in pain before they get put down by the rest of the squad

open pumice
open pumice
arctic talon
plush mason
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no

arctic talon
plush mason
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ofc the crimson fists are just ultramarines with red gauntlets lmao so not at all surprised there are blue blood angel successors

arctic talon
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Lol

distant osprey
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Also

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Summon the elector counts

rose thorn
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I can’t remember if the space marine revolver was real or a meme

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Considering this is a normal bolter pistol I have no clue

plush mason
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is that a scope and a box mag?

open pumice
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Yes

plush mason
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why?

open pumice
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Whyy not

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It looks cool

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Its 40k

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Thats all that matters

storm jungle
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it doesnt look cool

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at all

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lmao

plush mason
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ikr

storm jungle
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Yeah theres like much better ones

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dont make someone else post Azrael's bolter for cursed 40k guns

open pumice
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But tp gw it does for some reason

plush mason
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they are mostly British, they wouldnt know a good gun if it slapped them upside the head kek

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case in point

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the Bren gun

arctic talon
north lotus
plush mason
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fair

signal bramble
north lotus
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I mean idk how good warhammer optics are, but theoretically a 1.5x to 4 power optic is not a bad choice for a weapon you have on a single point sling. Granted personally I’d put a folding stock on that setup.

signal bramble
north lotus
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Basically turning it into basically a SMG in a checkpoint carbine cartridge

versed ledge
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So since ogryns are huge dudes, do you guys think they have you know...huge.....ummm

plush mason
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...

versed ledge
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A question posed by Slaanesh

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Huge hearts

plush mason
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ether a huge single heart or like 2 normal sized ones

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Ogryn evolution was no where near natural so frankly the sky is the limit on what their internals are like

signal bramble
plush mason
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because they are a sub-species of human

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former prisoners on golden age penal worlds

signal bramble
# versed ledge Huge hearts

I believe that tbh. Given that Ogryn are well documented to be really protective of people who are nice to them.

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Can do worse than having an 8 foot tall brute capable of lifting an apc watching your back.

versed ledge
signal bramble
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One of them appears in the Ghazkull book.

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And she’s a psyker.

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Yes really.

versed ledge
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Wow... that's rather OP

signal bramble
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She only had a minor part in the book.

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The point being she’s evidence they exist. XD

crisp heath
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I'm going to leave this here with a warning that it's extremely wtf gross

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but probably my favorite 40k post of all time for how apeshit it is

versed ledge
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That post is wild...best read with a bottle of amasec

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Preferably something stronger than Prometheum fluid

plush mason
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that was actually a decent theory

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until the OP mentioned lolis

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also isnt there a description of how that female Ogryn looks?

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also my theory on why the Ogryn look like they do and are as dumb as they are is simple, they where prisoners on penal colonies used to gather resources so their jailors used genetic augmentation to make them bigger strong and dumber so they could do their jobs better and be easy to control

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and after the men of iron revolt/age of strife the Ogryn on these prison worlds where ether abandoned by said jailors or rose up and killed them all and then due to their stunted minds ended up in a tribal state of constant warfare which lasted until the great crusade

arctic talon
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Just somewhat longer hair

plush mason
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makes sense

arctic talon
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and no facial hair

plush mason
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so yeah

arctic talon
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while Male and Female Ogres in Fantasy have no sexual dimorphism at all

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and look, sound and act the exact same

plush mason
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so they where LOTR dwarves

arctic talon
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they still are

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but yeah they're LOTR dwarves

plush mason
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lmao

arctic talon
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Except ruder

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louder

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fatter

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drunker

plush mason
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taller

plush mason
arctic talon
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No

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Female Ogryn have a somewhat higher pitched voice

plush mason
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damn

sleek wigeon
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yknow I'd love a book on the Moebian 6th
a regiment so decorated doesn't turn heel immediately

plush mason
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same

echo vault
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I realized the reason the skaven joined chaos in the end times, the great horned rat realized in his infinite genius realized the most person he could be a dick to, more powerful than him or anyone else in the series. Was the reader, so he read the readers mind and did what they would hate most

sleek wigeon
crimson kayak
storm jungle
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the squats have them because they are based

sleek wigeon
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bolt revolver sounds like something you'd see an ogryn hive ganger using

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some jury-rigged non STC weapon they kitbashed together

crimson kayak
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Considering Votann use them it seems to be the complete opposite of what you said apparently lol

storm jungle
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Both work honestly

sleek wigeon
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both would still get you game ended by admech for heresy
so yeah, it works both ways

crimson kayak
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I mean, just slap the word archeotech on it and even a common stick is some ungodly weapon of mass destruction if it wants.

sleek wigeon
crimson kayak
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Oh, now I remember, custodes have revolvers too

storm jungle
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yeah the bird-guys get em

crimson kayak
copper patrol
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give bolt revolver

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idc if it's lore friendly

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I require the biggest iron

crimson kayak
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I mean, they do exist

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Necromunda also mentions imperial equivalents to the Squatt/Votann ones

copper patrol
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doesn't the necromunda game(the fps one) have a big ass revolver as a weapon

crimson kayak
copper patrol
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it's not a bolt revolver tho iirc

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but it's fucken big

crimson kayak
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Not the pc game lol, the 2022 tabletop books

copper patrol
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ah I am thinking of the stubb cannon

plush mason
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yeah

copper patrol
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this

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it's fucken beeg

plush mason
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it does have a heavy bolter tho lmao

crimson kayak
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Oh that's basically a hand slug shotgun

copper patrol
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man

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that game was almost so fun

plush mason
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yeah

copper patrol
crimson kayak
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Wait, did boltgun and the sisters game ever drop out for vr?

copper patrol
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boltgun still isn';t out

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the sisters game is tho I think

sleek wigeon
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sisters game is out
friend of mine was pissed because he's playing as a SoB and not a spaec marin

crimson kayak
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Btw, for the "weapons you didn't know you needed" Rogue Trader has Concealed Bolter Canes

copper patrol
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please

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give psyker the pimp cane of death

crimson kayak
copper patrol
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I heard that game was really fun

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but way too short

sleek wigeon
copper patrol
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that's not good

sleek wigeon
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nah
its fucking hilarious

copper patrol
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well, phrasing wise

sleek wigeon
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the sheer blind irony

copper patrol
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it sounds bad

crimson kayak
sleek wigeon
copper patrol
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ah

crimson kayak
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Like, it feels like they released a big old school demo

plush mason
sleek wigeon
crimson kayak
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Oh, also there's the single shot flare gun that shoots fake bolts that are literally just small rocket grenades

storm jungle
rose thorn
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When ever I think of the exorcist space marine chapter I only think of Dante from the devil may cry and idk if that’s a good or bad thing lmao

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Which I’m totally not gonna make a murderball characters that’s personality is just a complete psychopath who loves religious murder

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Also thank GW for making it so they are a son of dorn and not what ever the fuck grey knight successor chapter implies

signal bramble
sleek wigeon
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if we ever get female astartes I just know he'd be teetering on the brink of death

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2nd or 18th 11th legion could theoretically have been female, but they got expunged because of gene-seed fuckery (thousand sons pre-chaos x100) or other reasons that were so heinous, all knowledge of them was to be destroyed

signal bramble
sleek wigeon
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good spot
that's personally what I think one of them was. The Emperor looking at his sons and thinking "what if I had a daughter too?" and then we got a female primarch.
everything was good for a while, the gene-seed defects kick in on a scale SO massive they come to the conclusion "ok we screwed up big time, lets never do this again" and destroy all records on it

signal bramble
sleek wigeon
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thats the fun part of the 2nd and 11th
anything goes

signal bramble
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In the latest Angron book they get mentioned by the GK and state that big E personally ordered their extermination.

sleek wigeon
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as long as you can justify it, anything goes

rose thorn
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Doubling possible space marine stock

signal bramble
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They even avoid pronoun use for the the 2nd and 11th to.

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Let’s not go down that road. That conversation is a dead end which never ends well. >_>

sleek wigeon
storm jungle
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Minis get made first > Lore excuses get made 2nd

rose thorn
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Wtf our martyred lady is so fucking good

sleek wigeon
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thats all 40K is tbh
A universe and stories to match cool asf plastic figures that double as art projects

rose thorn
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I’ve been avoiding inquisiton stories because I heard the eisorn books are terrible so I just assume 90% of inquisitor books would be the same

sleek wigeon
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wait a second...
oh god I am about to say something heretical:
40K is a 90s cartoon

rose thorn
copper patrol
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sometimes

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40k is a good setting but a bad story

sleek wigeon
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real

rose thorn
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Honestly I think it’s a fun setting with a. Fun story

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It’s not like dune or some shit that needs to be super intense and amsizng, it’s a board game and the lore is just to make things cooler

copper patrol
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it also has a lot of stuff that is like

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dumb/edgy cool

rose thorn
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Rule of cool is 90% of the lore lmao

signal bramble
copper patrol
rose thorn
signal bramble
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Amberley Vail.

rose thorn
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I’m like 80% sure Eisenhorn is just boomer bait

serene mist
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Vail is pretty good

signal bramble
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Vail appears in the Ciaphas Cain books and she is the best.

rose thorn
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ohhh I haven’t read any ciaphas Cain books,

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I might listen to them while i work on imperial guard s

signal bramble
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She’s not afraid to let her hair down but when shit gets real she’s cold as ice. She uses a combination of charm, wit, and intimidation while adjusting her approach based on who she’s dealing with and avoids all the usual tropes and memes.

serene mist
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Though Cain and Eisenhorn I dislike these days because how much they get thrown about and how formulaic the former is

rose thorn
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I accidentally gaslit my self into liking guard lmao

signal bramble
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Amberley is my favorite inquisitor in all of 40k because she’s characterized so well.

rose thorn
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Greyfax is cool as shit

serene mist
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What if she was characterized like Jurgen

signal bramble
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And she’s never a damsel in distress.

serene mist
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i.e. not characterized

signal bramble
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You shut your mouth and treat the best bro in 40k with respect.

rose thorn
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Is the guy on the giant chair shit too?

signal bramble
serene mist
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Poor, poor Jurgen

rose thorn
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I actually really like his model

serene mist
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Offering tanna is his best trait

sleek wigeon
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I havent read much on the inquisitors
but from a cool factor, Admech are my favorite faction

signal bramble
sleek wigeon
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transhuman ford escort worshippers

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gotta love it

serene mist
celest dome
rose thorn
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Yeah karamozov

signal bramble
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But yeah, I think Vail is great and while yeah the Cain books do follow a formula that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing. Lots of tv shows follow a formula but they’re still entertaining.

rose thorn
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TAHST such a. Fucking villain name lmao

sleek wigeon
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I also like Iron Warriors a fair bit too
they literally use demons to power their fucking vehicles

serene mist
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Fyodor is great but I only know him from TTS

sleek wigeon
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they dialed up the souls of the damned to trap them in cars

signal bramble
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He’s a meme inquisitor. Purge the witches, kill them all and let the emperor sort them out, etc.

serene mist
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Yes

rose thorn
sleek wigeon
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that is the most metal thing I can imagine and probably the inspiration for doom's argent energy

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on the real though, I hope we get some Darktide books
one about Grendyl and another about the Moebian 6th turning traitor

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that and it'd lead well into darktide minis
could have a Moebian 6th army or a killteam with the boxart rejects

reef kite
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Why no female ogryn?

mystic geyser
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Never had a model basically. Obviously they exist.

signal bramble
reef kite
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Ah gotcha. I just wondered since there aren’t any in darktide

signal bramble
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Also I wonder if GW is hesitant to release it now because of the internet (you know exactly what I’m referring to) and having a huge thicc muscular female running around.

reef kite
storm jungle
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they dont usually like "new" stuff in a game that isnt represented on the tabletop

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Aqshy or Hedge (cant recall) also confirmed awhile ago that everything they wanna put in Vermintide or Darktide lorewise has to go through GW first

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it was possibly just an idea that they shut down

signal bramble
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I’ve never liked gender locked classes in games generally speaking, I don’t think that’s a hot take or anything either. I wonder if there’s going to be a female gender locked class at some point? Always possible.

storm jungle
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Yeah its not a hot take

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Just GW being weird

sleek wigeon
serene mist
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I just want to say

sleek wigeon
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yeah this one

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copper patrol
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isn't that an ogre

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not an ogryn

sleek wigeon
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wait shit you might be right

copper patrol
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it's blood bowl so it's an ogre/ogor

sleek wigeon
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idk if bloodbowl was 40K or sigmar

copper patrol
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since BB is "fantasy"

serene mist
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Fanbase is already wild with the ogryns and "protect the little 'uns" so really how would a female ogryn go

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Strangely, aggressively wholesome I think

sleek wigeon
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thats ogryns as a whole though
aggressively wholesome

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female ogryn would be that x2

serene mist
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Yes

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...I am ok with this

sleek wigeon
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everyone would be
more ogryn = more of the nicest 40K characters

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the lil audio story by warrior tier is peak ogryn fiction

reef kite
serene mist
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Seems possible

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Sister Hospitaller, maybe

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Would be a cool twist on standard healer

signal bramble
serene mist
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Due for a lot

dry epoch
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I had fun putting together an Inquisitorial team

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It was almost as much fun as picking chapters for my Deathwatch squad

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😄

celest dome
# signal bramble We are due for a support class.

I think we could and will see Support Classes for the already present Archetypes.
Like the Veteran's Datamined class "Squad Leader" seem to be a support oriented class (À la Witch Hunter General), but even the other classes will get one in the future, like Ogryn Bodyguard and Psyker Diviner or something

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As for a Sister archetypes, I could see it if it's themed around something different than the simple zealotry they often showcase. Like with the Act of Faith, working similarly to the Psyker's Peril

arctic talon
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I think it’s just bcs ogryn don’t sell well

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Their model is sorta old

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But not so old it needs a refresh

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So they’ll put off doing it as long as possible

celest dome
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Maybe in Fantasy too, not sure with the Mini if it's a Female Ogre crossdressing as a male or the other way around

torpid narwhal
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What exactly is a crusade

crimson kayak
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an excuse to rip and tear the nearest xeno/cultist/renegade

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or a fancy term for a military campaign

crimson kayak
urban spire
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a crusade in 40k is a large scale military campaign usually with some grand goal like taking back a lot of lost territory or the like

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space marines kinda play calvinball with it

celest dome
celest dome
crimson kayak
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didn't play the martyr expansion so please elaborate

celest dome
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Basically the new dlc introduce the Sororitas Class, where you have an Embodied Saint mechanic where you can use your class energy to transform temporarily into a "Living" saint.

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If we would do the same in DT, I'd expect it to be way scaled down, being much less potent in it's abilities (Kinda like the Psykers)

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So for example you would have a Faith pool, that can be replenished passively, or be regained by praying. This Faith pool would be used for both defensive ways (Shield of Faith lowering the incoming damage) or offensive ways, both with a Blitz, or with special patterns of weapons (Blessed Bolter, Blessed Flamer, Blessed Evicerator, Blessed Halberd...) like with the Force Weapons of the Psyker

arctic talon
celest dome
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It's mostly that one that make me wonder

6th_Edition_Female_Maneater.webp
torpid narwhal
storm jungle
torpid narwhal
crisp heath
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A more in-universe perspective would be that crusades are large operations by the imperium that contain many coordinated wars and campaigns

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So they'll send out a couple hundred fleets to all fight what are functionally different wars but with the end goal that they'll establish supremacy in a specific region of space

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Or in the case of the Great Crusade, all of space

storm jungle
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So a crusade.

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Just in space.

signal bramble
arctic talon
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For that

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And also the female ogre models for blood bowl are very new

signal bramble
#

Yup. Female ogres. Not Ogryn.

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I think most people don’t even know BB exists. XD

arctic talon
#

They look just like the men

crisp heath
#

I was actually exposed to Blood Bowl before any other Warhammer media

plush mason
# storm jungle

its funny how "crusade" went from literally meaning just holy war aka Christian jihad to now meaning any big push or drive for change lol

celest dome
crisp heath
#

Oh wow i never even knew about dreadfleet, if I can find some cheap models those would be really nice for D&D

celest dome
#

They are boat models though

crisp heath
#

Yes?

celest dome
#

Wasn't sure if they would fit for a D&D game

crisp heath
#

Use them for naval campaigns and Spelljammer

#

Realistically if you're going to have boat minis on the table, you'll only have boat minis on the table, so there really shouldn't be a scale conflict either

#

Oh fuck yeah these things are huge

#

Way too small for Spelljammer (at least not for a cheap Spelljammer game) but they'd be great in the Realms

crimson kayak
#

Me, being exposed to epic scale and battlefleet Gothic as first warhammer things

torpid narwhal
#

What is the age of blindness

arctic talon
torpid narwhal
arctic talon
#

The age of blindness isn’t a thing iirc

#

The day of blinding was when the great rift exploded outwards

#

Which turned off the astronomicon and split the galaxy in half

#

It also cut off all astropathic communication

torpid narwhal
#

Ok thanks

open pumice
#

which might be what your thinkin of

torpid narwhal
open pumice
#

aight

desert dust
#

Any one know what logar is upto nowadays?

arctic talon
desert dust
#

Seems like a reasonable thing to do

desert dust
open pumice
rose thorn
#

He taught the BL the secrets of demon binding black apostles ect ect ect

thick cedar
#

One thing I always consider canon in games is the achievements and stuff. I just killed 25k dregs. In terms of lore, where would this place our "power level"

storm jungle
#

Probably Kasrkin/Stormtrooper level if you are a Lvl.30 Hereticus agent

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Ogryns are a bit above that since they can kill terminators/marines + tear open armored vehicles and whatnot.

signal bramble
storm jungle
#

Also this

signal bramble
#

Like Kharn the Betrayer, mortal champion of Khorne, has apparently killed something in the range of 2-3 million people by himself.

#

But a lot of them were civilians. Not just soldiers.

storm jungle
#

I'd say to ignore that

#

3 million people between 30k and 40k is like

#

incredibly small

plush mason
#

3 million in 10k years is not a lot of people

storm jungle
#

Yeah exactly

#

And with Darktide its safer to assume most of the kills come from poxwalker horde deaths

#

the traitor guard/cultists would be your regular semi-small firefight skirmishes

#

so up to like 20-30 people probably

signal bramble
#

Besides killing people isn’t that hard. Especially when you chain them to a back bumper of a car. You also should definitely not read in to that.

plush mason
#

i do love how the elites and specials use the poxwalkers as fodder in game

signal bramble
thick cedar
#

poxwalkers and dregs are categorized seperatly iirc

storm jungle
#

dregs are the cultists

#

poxwalkers are well, the poxwalkers

thick cedar
#

poxwalkers are the scrawny zombie guys

storm jungle
#

Yeeee

#

the poxwalkers are the innocent people/peasants of the Hive

#

so you arent even killing evil people persay

#

lmao

plush mason
#

yeah, the pox walkers are literally made to be fodder for the other forces of nurgle afaik

storm jungle
#

It doesnt help that they aren't dead, they are entirely self-aware

#

its why you can hear them going:

#

HELP ME

#

SOMETHING'S CRAWLING IN MY HEAD

#

its fucked up

near wasp
#

I mean they are evil for becoming the tool of the arch enemy

storm jungle
#

they arent lmao

plush mason
#

some will tell you to run

thick cedar
#

reminds me of headcrab victim dialogue

plush mason
#

yeah

storm jungle
#

yeah literally that

#

they got no control

plush mason
#

pox walkers are basically zombified head crab victims

storm jungle
#

pretty much this

near wasp
#

Im just trolling . But at this point its a mercy and nessarry for them to die

plush mason
#

yeah

storm jungle
#

yeah exactly

#

they literally beg for help half the time

#

or that they are hungry/starving

plush mason
#

hell some even beg us to kill them

storm jungle
#

its great KEK

#

at least with skaven/norscans you cant really feel bad

plush mason
#

can pox walkers actually become plague bearers after enough time?

near wasp
#

Nurgles rot turns people into plague bearers. The walking pox turns people into pox walkers

storm jungle
#

Was gonna say yea

plush mason
#

i see

storm jungle
#

Plaguebearers form from worshippers after death or the disease Joseph has said

#

Poxers are just fodder zombies for the nurgle armies

copper patrol
#

I thought only groaners talked

storm jungle
#

are groaners the uh

#

the ones that havent turned fully yet

copper patrol
#

not full poxes

#

yeah

storm jungle
#

and are just growing the Darth Maul spikes

#

YEAH that

#

yeah my bad Poxers cannot speak

#

its the groaners

reef kite
#

So can poxwalkers make other poxwalkers through bites? Or maybe just proximity looking at all that disease stuff?

plush mason
#

tbf groaners are just "newer" pox walkers

arctic talon
#

They’re not full pox walkers yet

#

The walking pox takes a bit

storm jungle
#

even their groans

#

only if you are weak-willed however

near wasp
#

I wonder if well get plaguebears purely because id be sort chilling to hear the counting

copper patrol
#

considering we fight beasts of nurgle

#

I don't see why not

storm jungle
#

Yeah the only issue is constant corruption damage

#

which would be

copper patrol
#

basically just be souped up poxies

storm jungle
#

Pretty much

reef kite
#

So you’re saying that in reality the rejects would be dead the moment they touch down on Tertia

signal bramble
#

Beasts of nurgle are full on daemons so others should be expected at some point.

#

I don’t think we’ll ever see a GUO but we’ll see.

storm jungle
reef kite
#

ah true

storm jungle
#

the groan-hearing infection thing usually spreads from civillians being horrified and such

#

its shown in one of the BL books

copper patrol
#

it also doesn't seem to affect the moebians or the dregs

reef kite
#

Man imagine dying because your friend is scared of groans

storm jungle
#

Yeee

plush mason
#

whats the name of those daemons? the ones that are basically just souped up plague bearers?

near wasp
outer wave
#

Question about poxwalkers: how would they react if they entered an Anti-Warp magic zone? Would the disease disappear from the bodies and the people are cured of The Walking Pox, or would they become normal corpses, or would anything happen?

copper patrol
storm jungle
arctic talon
storm jungle
#

yeee

outer wave
#

Makes sense to me

arctic talon
#

Plague zombies don’t do well with psychout grenades

reef kite
#

Yeah by the way, how do poxwalkers interact with other cultists? Are they viewed as like a “okay direct them into this sector and run before they eat you” type deal, or are the poxwalkers chill with the real people

near wasp
arctic talon
#

And pox walkers are a type of plague zombie

storm jungle
arctic talon
storm jungle
#

^

reef kite
#

Ah gotcha

storm jungle
#

Literally just push/guide them into the enemy

arctic talon
#

They’re also way less durable in game then in lore

reef kite
#

I mean makes sense, seems like the tactical thing to do with the undead hoard

arctic talon
#

But it wouldn’t be as fun

copper patrol
#

we use some pretty high powered weaponry

#

it's more then stop struggling when they go down instead of just crawling along like they would in lore

reef kite
#

Do headshots not kill on them?

copper patrol
#

probably not

#

nurgle bullshit you know

arctic talon
#

You have to hit them a good bit

reef kite
#

Man what’s making them move at that point?

arctic talon
#

Very literal sever the head

#

Warp stuff

reef kite
#

Ah yeah

#

Forgot about that

storm jungle
#

Yeah its literally just evil space magic

#

at this point the person is basically gone lol

image.png
#

Compared to a Groaner whos freshly infected

image.png
plush mason
#

are those eyes on their forehead?

storm jungle
#

nope

#

its nurgle's symbol

#

forming in blisters

outer wave
#

I wonder why Nurgle hasnt invented what is basically 40k's version of Necromorphs

#

I feel like that'd fit him so well

plush mason
#

its forming upside down tho?

storm jungle
#

basically any 3-hole symbols is Nurgle

#

so its not that big of a deal

outer wave
#

^^

storm jungle
#

a lot of the enemies have it on them

#

its a great detail

near wasp
#

Its even on there blasphemous scripts

storm jungle
#

Just a few examples

copper patrol
#

goofy ah gunner

storm jungle
#

mfer got them yee yee ass goggles

plush mason
# storm jungle

that gold one on the top left looks like something someone would loot, i wonder what would happen if we did

storm jungle
#

VERY likely get shot

copper patrol
#

I think our operatives are a little smarter then that hopefully

storm jungle
#

yeah also this

plush mason
#

yeah

storm jungle
#

even the tiniest symbol can enable a chaos god to enter your mind corruption wise

#

its why these guys are adorned in them

copper patrol
#

whatthefuck_heresy "blood for the god emperor, skulls for the golden throne"

near wasp
storm jungle
#

I do love that event

#

apparently an event as bad as the Siege

arctic talon
#

Great rift moment

storm jungle
#

only gets covered in like 5 sentences

#

GW moment

arctic talon
#

Mfw terra almost explodes

#

But it’s only given a paragraph

storm jungle
#

This lmao

#

they apparently almost made it to Eternity Gate too

#

"Its okay guys the custodes killed em all"

plush mason
#

is it possible for the forces of another chaos god to be active on a planet with any already active chaos cult?

storm jungle
#

Yes very much so

#

its all about who comes out on top

near wasp
#

They made it to the lions gate

storm jungle
#

Look

#

theres like 50 gates

#

my brain goes smooth

plush mason
#

only 50?

near wasp
storm jungle
#

Im joking but im sure theres that many

near wasp
#

Theres alot

plush mason
#

Dorn must have really been pressed for time

storm jungle
#

But yeah when theres multiple cults on a planet its usually a case of who kills the others and becomes the dominant one.

#

Unless an alliance can be formed but not everyone likes the Chaos Undivided game

#

You aint letting that warrior of khorne steal your XP for papa nurgle

#

the road to daemonhood is rough my dude

near wasp
#

You sound like your trying

storm jungle
#

Lmao

plush mason
#

ngl i feel most cases of chaos undivided is just "lets just pretend to be friends till we dont need them anymore"

storm jungle
#

Thats literally it yeah

#

99.9% of your chaos worshippers are psychopaths that will kill anyone to gain power unfortunately

#

loyalty and allegiances are fickle

arctic talon
#

Chaos undivided are a bunch of unhinged psychopaths kept from killing each other because they hate something more

#

99% of the time

storm jungle
#

Basic human stuff yeah

#

We all hate each other

#

but heres a common enemy

#

YEET

near wasp
storm jungle
arctic talon
#

Abbadon is the number 1 cat hearder

plush mason
#

frankly it makes Abaddon's achievements even more impressive, the dude has to herd literal psychopaths and daemons on the daily and keep them all on track and has like a 5th of the resources the imperium has, and still manages to win

arctic talon
#

The fact he can get that many chaos followers together is a miracle

storm jungle
#

This lmao

arctic talon
#

And the fact he’s able to have them maintain cohesion

#

Longer then a few weeks is insane

storm jungle
#

Its as simple as leaning into their ear

#

and going

#

"That guy called you a bitch, are you gonna take that?"

near wasp
#

Where ill fuck em up

storm jungle
arctic talon
#

But the fact the chaos fleet he managed to drag together didn’t blow each other up

#

The moment Cadia fell is insane lol

storm jungle
#

Lmfao

#

all it takes is a random marine murdering some important menials "because lol"

arctic talon
#

Lol, lmao

storm jungle
#

that also literally happens on the World Eater HQ ship during the siege

#

Lotara says she has lost half the crew because the marines keep killing them and the reactor is going critical

#

rough

arctic talon
#

Real big shame

near wasp
#

Do the world eaters still have there flagship

storm jungle
#

Yep they do

#

somehow KEK

near wasp
#

Thats fucking impressive

arctic talon
#

The world eaters aren’t even a unified legion

#

But the conqueror is still intact

#

Even if it doesn’t always work with the world eaters

plush mason
arctic talon
#

Part of the crew part of the ship

near wasp
#

Imagine being so scary you make world eaters listen to reason

storm jungle
#

AND

#

Lotara is still alive as Nameless has said

arctic talon
#

Alive is relative

#

Kekw

storm jungle
#

true lmao

arctic talon
#

She doesn’t even have a physical form anymore

#

Prolly

#

Considering she’s a weird flesh amalgamation fused into the command throne during the siege

plush mason
near wasp
#

I mean becoming a daemon engine doesnt seem so bad PU_pepeScared

#

Its prolly terrible

arctic talon
#

More like her soul is like

#

The ship now

#

Or rather within the whole damn thing

storm jungle
#

Yeah shes literally a flesh-wall-person

plush mason
arctic talon
#

When you’re in the command throne

#

It’s very taxing mentally

plush mason
#

i bet

arctic talon
#

The ship becomes a second body in a way

plush mason
#

but you will know everything going on in the ship as it is happening so the advantages are clear

arctic talon
#

Yeah

#

Not literally everything

#

But everything important

#

To not exploding and dying

plush mason
#

yeah

#

so i take it the ships in 40k have helmsmen

#

i wonder if the smaller ships only have 1 wheel and the bigger ones have 2

near wasp
#

How would you use a wheel in space

plush mason
#

a steering wheel that is

near wasp
#

Yeah but a wheel doesnt really work well in 3 dimensions.

plush mason
#

i know but its 40k and iirc the ships of the imperium literally have wheels made to look like the old sailing ship wheels, mofos be flying around like they in treasure planet lol

#

and they literally use the same kind of naval warfare iirc

near wasp
#

I was lowkey trolling but i also forgot how dumb the imperium actually is

plush mason
#

yeah

#

ofc given the insane size of their ships they may not move on the 3rd axis to much

crisp heath
#

I think in the battlefleet Gothic games it's actually made to look like the ship turns into a dive and sort of sinks sideways through space

#

But there's also depictions of ships sharply pulling upwards so who tf knows its warhammer rules are for losers

plush mason
#

they could just have a leaver for moving the ship up/down

#

imperial ships are not fast by any stretch

arctic talon
#

Due to the events in the book he got

signal bramble
#

And lotarra sarrin is there to if you’re read up on heresy lore and know who that is.

serene mist
#

What

#

She

#

She what

#

She's still around?

#

...fuck

#

Just looked it up. Sad

plush mason
#

part of the crew, part of the ship

serene mist
#

She deserved better

plush mason
crimson kayak
#

meanwhile huron just getting tons of followers by promising pirate booty

signal bramble
#

She spoke to him but Angron at this point is a force of nature and blind destruction.

#

He shows up, roars, and then starts murdering randos.

#

It’s actually comical in some ways.

“And then Angron appeared and just started killing so many people!” That happens a few times. >_>

plush mason
#

lmao

signal bramble
#

Like what do I care if he murders a bunch of random nobodies? Show don’t tell as they say.

arctic talon
crisp heath
#

Angron is basically a random chimp event

open pumice
#

Wtf do you mean the main one

arctic talon
#

The main POV character

#

in that book

#

who hates angron

open pumice
#

Ah

echo vault
#

Also when lorgar and angron visit nuceria again the leaders are gloating about killing his family

open pumice
#

Reasonable

#

Also lotarra reminding angron thay the conquerer is her ship was based as hell

echo vault
#

Guilliman could've made angron loyalist if they dropped him and his men to massacre the planet as a bonding experience

signal bramble
#

And he feels the same way in return.

open pumice
#

Yeah thr

#

Question was sarcastic

open pumice
reef kite
#

So, what happens to an emperor worshiper when they die?

#

I know that normal souls go and have a bad time in the warp

#

but what about the devout of the emperor?

#

Is he a powerful enough psyker to collect them and just like

#

hold them

#

or do they also suffer

rose thorn
#

Nah they get sent to the warp to be eaten or wander around or what ever

#

Dying is literally terrible

reef kite
#

dang

rose thorn
#

Best case your soul is stored or destroyed

desert dust
#

I think any one killed normally will be mostly claimed by the emperor.
If they are killed by a chaos worshipper they are completely boned

#

Especially if slannesh

rose thorn
#

Nah the emperor doenst have a realm in the warp

#

That’s imperial propaganda

desert dust
#

Ah

reef kite
#

Damn for real?

desert dust
#

I know they can capture souls and use them for fuel to summon shit or power the GT or summon demons

rose thorn
#

Some times you get lucky like guilliman and just wander around but you gotta be a strong person

#

Soul wise

reef kite
#

Man now I’m sad

rose thorn
#

Well if you serve chaos then dying is pretty pog

#

And you can get revived

#

It happens all the time

desert dust
#

Not really

rose thorn
#

Best case for chaos is you are converted into a demon

reef kite
#

Because at this point I’ve gotten so many death korps guys killed playing killteam without skill

desert dust
#

You just get consumed by the God for power unless you are a real high up member also with high amounts of favour

rose thorn
#

That gave me flash backs to old guard in old killteams

desert dust
#

That's what demon princes are

rose thorn
#

10 plasma guns = 9 dead guard and 9 dead enemies

desert dust
#

Mortals who got favour and now unkillable just get banished

reef kite
#

Jesus there wasn’t a limit in the old days?

rose thorn
#

You can become a demon too but that’s more just for lil baby exhausted cultists

#

No lmao

reef kite
#

My plasma gunner killed two ork boys and then got shot by a sniper

#

Since this time I wasn’t fighting guys who were IMMUNE TO ARMOR PIERCING GUNS, plasma was amazing

rose thorn
#

I actually kinda like the old KTs more because it had a shit load more customization

#

But the new one is better

signal bramble
reef kite
#

But yeah man I thought that when they died, my kriegers at least got to sit by the emperors side or something

#

So I didn’t feel too bad throwing a guy into melee with four orks to score a single victory point

signal bramble
#

In the Celestine book a devout commander died in a glorious last stand and as he died he saw a brilliant golden light.

rose thorn
#

Don’t worry they barely have souls anyway

#

Krigers are mostly vat grown

reef kite
#

don’t they still have souls though?

#

Like, isn’t that the only reason they were given those vitae wombs?

signal bramble
#

They do have souls.

rose thorn
#

Yeah they have souls

signal bramble
#

Keep in mind that souls in 40k are subject to whoever the author is and they do what the author needs/wants.

#

There isn’t a huge amount of consistency.

reef kite
#

I’m gonna be honest all my Krieg lore knowledge comes from Arch’s episode to give backstory to his 42 episode coverage of Vraks

reef kite
#

Well this has been nice, y’all know a lot

#

Anyway back to being stoopid

torpid narwhal
#

is a witch a psyker

arctic talon
echo vault
#

If the interior of world eaters ships is soaked in blood do you think someone slipped wading through a tide of blood on deck

crimson kayak
storm jungle
#

"witch" just gets used a lot because its a pretty good medieval insult

plush mason
#

it also perfectly shows the nature of the imperium and the cult

#

nothing drives home "fascist oligarchy" quite like some dude in red robes screaming at some rando calling them a witch

storm jungle
#

pretty much this yeah

celest dome
#

But nooo, you don't get it the Imperium are the good guys clown_hadron

plush mason
#

lmao

storm jungle
#

nooo its not fascist

#

its a feudal oligarchy

#

just ignore the xenophobia, mass-killings and slavery of its own populace, hating anything with a mutation, and literal human death camps among other things

plush mason
storm jungle
#

KEK

#

Anyway inb4 a whole war starts in this chat once im gone

plush mason
#

smart

signal bramble
storm jungle
plush mason
#

yeah

rose thorn
plush mason
#

less so power complex and more actual power

signal bramble
ionic acorn
#

ADD FUCKING SOLO PLAY

signal bramble
#

The more religious like the SoB or BT refer to all psykers as witches.

#

While others use it to refer to unsanctioned users of their power.

#

And when they use the phrase “purge xenos, heretic, and witches” the latter refers to any psyker.

The reason for that is because even a single unsanctioned psyker that loses control can doom an entire planet.

gloomy citrus
dense mortar
#

Who here is brave enough to give me a Warhammer Lore for Dummies? Why do we love the emperor so much?

gloomy citrus
chilly creek
#

Millennia of indoctrination and killing anyone who doesn't love him

gloomy citrus
#

G-man is the only significant person against it.

dense mortar
#

I thought it was because he was the embodiment of humanity?

chilly creek
#

Or loves him the wrong way

gloomy citrus
dense mortar
chilly creek
#

"Living"

gloomy citrus
dense mortar
#

But his soul exists, right?

gloomy citrus
#

It does.

#

Unlike that of Horus.

chilly creek
#

Very much so

dense mortar
#

So he is still to be worshipped

#

Because he sacraficed his mortal coil for mankind?

chilly creek
#

He never asked to be, quite the opposite

gloomy citrus
#

He even had G-man have his smurfs blow up a Word Bearers world.

dense mortar
#

G man?

gloomy citrus
dense mortar
#

So, is the imperium of man actually a force of good? Or are they a force of good only through their own perspective?

gloomy citrus
#

Even Chaos.

dense mortar
#

From our persepctive though

#

an outside perspective

chilly creek
#

Nobody is good

dense mortar
#

Say soemoen was peaking in on the universe, completely neutral of its wars and power balances. Would they say, "The imperium of man is alright. . just a bit crazy"

chilly creek
#

That'd depend on their sense of morality

dense mortar
#

From a classical morality stand point. Helping humans, doing what is right.

crimson kayak
#

First off, the emperor was a big atheist, the fact humanity worships him is due to well, him being an immortal giant guy wrapped in golden armor that did a lot of god level feats, also not being really able to say "I'm not God guys" due to him being on the golden life support

chilly creek
dense mortar
crimson kayak
#

He never allowed it

#

He's just not able to do anything about it

#

(also may or may not be the only way to actually get him off that throne)

chilly creek
#

He's not in a state to object any more

crimson kayak
#

When Big E(emperor) was alive there was a thing called "Imperial Truth" instead of the religion, that basically said "God doesn't exist, get over it"

#

Along other things obviously

chilly creek
#

Ofc, that somewhat fails when Gods do exist

#

And they're hostile

dense mortar
#

So is his image used to run the imperium for nefarious purposes now?

#

Or is he still in control?

chilly creek
#

He has no input to speak of

#

As for nefarious purposes, there is plenty of politics in the workings of the Imperium, so the high Lords of Terra do not always work in humanity's best interests

#

Ofc, since Gulliman is back that's probably on the back burner

dense mortar
#

Are there any "true" heroes

chilly creek
#

Sure

#

Commissar Cain KEKW_ogryn

near wasp
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I mean there was a coup on terra

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But the answer is "that depends on your point of view"

dense mortar
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Mephit, you give me answers obfuscated with all the gray clouds of a distrusting politician

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Hes right though

chilly creek
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Define what a "hero" is

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A hero, someone who does whats in their peoples best interest to live in peace

chilly creek
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This is the grimdark future, there is no peace

dense mortar
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So the pursuit of peace is not the motivatining factor for constant war in this world?

near wasp
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Survival is the motivating factor

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Fight or die

chilly creek
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The world is hostile, so there isn't even a dream of peace

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You don't even get peace when you die here

dense mortar
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Aside from Orks, Nurgle followers and maybe Slaanesh followers.

chilly creek
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What's husband doing not slaving away for 18 hours that he has time to pick flowers

gloomy citrus
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That sounds like the husband is neglecting his duty to the emperor

dense mortar
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Even Drzzt Do'Urden found hope. . in the darkest and most desparate of places in the world. No one like that exists here?

near wasp
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There is no hope only war

chilly creek
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Hope is the first step on the road to disappointment

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Especially when shit like Chaos or Tyranids try to kill you on a daily basis.

crimson kayak
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Hopeful people die around here, now back to your 20 hour work and then sleep under your workstation

chilly creek
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Hope probably leads you into bad things

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Chaos cults etc.

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The only factions that seem to have a good time are Orks, and Chaos Nurgle/Slaanesh/Undivided followers.

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Consider the imperium an ant colony without the advantage of coordination between the single ants

near wasp
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In a book im reading a choas cultist is telling an inquistot why he chose to be a heretic. It was because he hoped something would change. He hoped there was another way. Hope damned his soul

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Well, Marines/Custodes are probably having a great time doing what they were made for

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Litterary.

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My goodness. There are no poets, not dreamers, no artists . . . the world is one desperate effort to survive, only to be followed by an equally more desperate effort? Life is but a trial to see how long you can make it. The world is draped in a dark and gritty lens, where the only "happiness" is achieved through honor in combat?

gloomy citrus
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Or serving chaos

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After all, Fabius Bile is a dreamer

plush mason
near wasp
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Most likely choas

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He did create the Fulgrim clone.

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Then traded it away when he realised it worked a bit too well for his liking

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Yeah, that was dumb.

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Out of curiosity, is there anything that could cause the Imperium to split into a civil war?

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Sure

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It's happened multiple times

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Horus.

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Fucking Erebus.

chilly creek
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The Horus Heresy was the Big One

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Do Space Marines "care" for one another?

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No, like in the current setting and something that couldn't be fixed.

near wasp
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Happened right after the rift opened

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The religion organisation of the imperium going after the Admech.

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Anything like that?

plush mason
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Do comics exist for Warhammer?

chilly creek
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Another Space Marine is your brother. However, you're in a family with a high mortality rate so you probably don't get too worked up if he dies

chilly creek
gloomy citrus
dense mortar
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If you want the basics, there are plenty of lore videos on YouTube

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But what is "basic" is vast

nocturne crest
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Give me a book on the war of the quills.

dense mortar
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So I would say focus on a little bit at a time

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E.g. a faction you like

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Because trying to "know" everything is madness

near wasp
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What factions are you interested in

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And as for your hero definition: wouldn't an Eldar Farseer be a hero by this

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He wants peace for his people.

Sure, he'll sacrifice billions of "lesser beings" to get it, but...

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The Astra Militarum seem as close to normal as anyone; and less morally ambiguous. They just want to protect there homes and families. That seems reasonable

plush mason
chilly creek
near wasp
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The commisar wants a word about your cowardice

dense mortar
signal bramble
chilly creek
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One family controls this batch of paperwork and another controls this one and they will kill you if you try and get involved.

chilly creek
plush mason
plush mason