combat or leading?
#40k-lore-chat
copper patrol
open pumice
Most primarchs were pretty good at basic military tactics
Angron and lorgar being the main exceptions
open pumice
Russ dind't have direct military experience, but he had combat experience, and decent survivability skills
having grown up on fenris
copper patrol
he's a nerd
rose thorn
Fair
copper patrol
iirc he basically just learned stuff?
open pumice
Magnus learned much stuff
Magnus is mostly innert for the heresy
and we never learned much about his past
rose thorn
Didn’t Omegon just like
Fight worm people his whole life
Not Alpharius I ||know he was on Terra||
Whoops herrr
There
open pumice
not really described
even the stuff about ||alpharius being on terra|| is dubius at best
rose thorn
Fair
copper patrol
I am alpharius, this is a lie
open pumice
man
horus heresy has been BL's flagship series for so damn long
Wonder what the fuck they're gonna do next
crimson kayak
Actually do something that isn't 11k years in the past
signal bramble
Wonder what the fuck they're gonna do next
The scouring.
open pumice
The scouring.
Well yeah thats a given
but thats probably nto going to be a flagship storyline
thats like 6 novels, an anthology, and like 2 novellas at the asbolute most
signal bramble
thats like 6 novels, an anthology, and like 2 novellas at the asbolute most
Depends on how much they pad it. Scouring had a lot.
open pumice
There was, but its super spread out, and most of it isn't linked
maybe the'll focus on making good indomitus books
next rampart
Wasn't the indomitus crusade already like 200 years past when the novel came out, or some narrative piece afterwards
honest trellis
Wonder what the fuck they're gonna do next
Scouring eventually
open pumice
Wasn't the indomitus crusade already like 200 years past when the novel came out...
the indomitus crusade is funky
when they orriginally ran with that story, they just kinda jumped to the end fo the crusade and went "oh theres somethingeresting stuff that happened but its not important"
so now theyre going back and actually fleshing out that goddamn lore
but the novels have been mediocre
theyre not bad
they're just eh
versed ledge
How goes it my fellow, gue'vesa?
ripe ravine
Wasn't the indomitus crusade already like 200 years past when the novel came out...
this gets repeated a lot but they retconned the centuries long time jump fairly quickly after it happened
it's been like 20 years, there are still guardsmen alive in the setting who remember cadia pre-fall
rose thorn
Hey is there space marine armor specifically for breaching ships?
plush mason
not that i know of but there is a shield for it
tho the SM dont make much use of it in 40k
rose thorn
Ah okay, I fucking love the idea of just guards men or marines specialize in breaking into ships and clearing out as much as possible
signal bramble
Wasn't the indomitus crusade already like 200 years past when the novel came out...
It’s been retconned. The avenging son audiobook (and I presume the paperback) have an actual disclaimer saying as such.
desert dust
That kinda just happens all the time in 40k
In the beast Aires after everything is over they just go they all crusaded for 100 years and they all lived happily ever after.
Or esinhorn they just time skip 100 years.
hushed kayak
Hey is there space marine armor specifically for breaching ships?
nah, but space marines overall have boarded ships with their regular power armour.
rose thorn
Ah okay
rose thorn
?
hushed kayak
cough Krek
rose thorn
OH
arctic talon
Lol
rose thorn
Lol
hushed kayak
hushed kayak
Because the way how it happens, feels like he did.
copper patrol
but also I wouldn't be upset if he came back
curze did see him dying in his visions
but it's also curze
so not the most reliable source
hushed kayak
I feel like this is the one Primarch i feel should actually die, not hating on him. Seeing how his story was in post heresy.
arctic talon
Curze, sang, and Ferrus are 100% dead
hushed kayak
i know that lmao
arctic talon
Everyone else is a maybe at worse
copper patrol
dorn is like
85% dead
I wouldn't mind it either way
but i'd like if they say he was dead or not
like they talk to him in the warp or something
hushed kayak
yeah, though I don’t think they’ll bring him back. On the other hand you got the crazy rumour about Lion el Jonson
copper patrol
dorn wouldn't shake things up at all
probably
so he likely won't get brought back
as his end is more implied that he died then say jaghati or russ
i'd like to see either of them come back
as I like russ and Jaghati is severly underrated
hushed kayak
Jaghati is really underrated, you don’t see much of the White Scars lately. Surprisingly the Alpha Legion is getting a lot of love lately from the past years. Which you don’t expect from the most secretive legion
odd palm
That man better be dead
If not slain on the Sword of Sacrilege, it had better have been some unceremonious way on some backwater
open pumice
Tbis is me when dorn diea off-screen in the most
oh he dided and we'll never being him back ever way possible
Are you shitting yourselves. Until we get a avouring book that actually ahows him as dying on camera
Dorns alive
primal oriole
rough condor
What would it look like if Russ or Jaghati ever came back?
As far as I am aware, Russ is lost in the warp somewhere and Jaghati is stuck in the webway, most likely in the Drukhari fighting pits
dry epoch
As far as I am aware, Russ is lost in the warp somewhere and Jaghati is stuck in...
I have always loved the visual of the Khan literally exploding out of the webway and proceeding to kick a lot of ass.
rough condor
Both of these guys, if they still live, have been doing their thing for 10k+ years. Compared to the Lion and Gman who have been having a lovely nap for the time since HH, 10k years must have changed them in some dramatic ways
Russ is probably full of warp power and the Khan may be a complete savage at this point
And then who knows what Vulkan is up to, the immortal fella that he is
serene mist
Khan is just a chad boi
upper fulcrum
And then who knows what Vulkan is up to, the immortal fella that he is
He is waiting for his sons to make him proud so he can give them all a big hug
serene mist
Lol
open pumice
I have always loved the visual of the Khan literally exploding out of the webway...
The kahns balls are too big to fit through a webway portal
dry epoch
Fair
torpid narwhal
are there any female space marines
celest dome
no
storm jungle
are there any female space marines
Lore doesn't want them to exist so no.
rough condor
are there any female space marines
Due to them all being, in a sense, mini versions of the Emperor himself (sons of the primarchs, his sons) they are all males in Brotherhoods
torpid narwhal
Lore doesn't want them to exist so no.
i guess that would ruin the point of the sisters
storm jungle
i guess that would ruin the point of the sisters
Pretty much.
Astartes are mostly marketed towards boys since the 80's
theres really no lore reason for it
rough condor
Though the Sisters of Battle are equally badass
storm jungle
its just marketing
storm jungle
Pretty much, why do you think primaris got that yee-yee ass nerf gun unit
It looks dumb, makes no sense, but exists due to tabletop reasons. Same principle applies to every faction more or less.
rough condor
I just can't get on board with this unit
storm jungle
Bro literally nobody does
rough condor
I'll stick to me hellblasters and eradicators
storm jungle
^
Like sometimes 40k units look goofy and thats fine
but this is like plain bad
Im glad the entirety of the internet just ridiculed it on Day 1 
rough condor
There's a few units that would be brilliant to have in my Space Marine force but I cannot bring myself to get them
Such as the go-kart of tinnitus and the floating box with a billion guns on it
storm jungle
yee yee ass mario kart
rough condor
Just look at the dang thing
I am building a white scars successor, it would be a perfect unit
but I just can't
celest dome
Aye, the White Scar need speeds, not karts
arctic talon
Remember when GW forgot to give it the vehicle tag
so you could revive it with apothocaries
yeah they fixed that pretty quick lol
arctic talon
How dare you forget the original one
he was getting Tinitus far before the primaris
storm jungle
I love how people were like "he can just tune out sound on his helmet"
yeah now he has to deal with muzzleflashes
copper patrol
"WHAT, I CANNOT HEAR YOU"
storm jungle
"I CANT FUCKING SEE ANYTHING"
arctic talon
"WHAT, I CANNOT HEAR YOU"
"HOW DARE YOU FORGET YOUR FORE FATHERS"
the OG brother tinitus has been forgotten
smh
outer wave
Does anyone use these Primaris models on the tabletop? I havent really seen anyone field these on Youtube
signal bramble
The buggy was nerfed because it was overpowered af. The flier not really.
copper patrol
they also look like shit
so not a lot of people that play to paint cool models bought them
outer wave
The buggy, the Kart, all of the dumb looking Primaris models
signal bramble
The buggy being OP was actually for a very comical reason. Because of very specific rules interactions, if one was destroyed an apothecary was able to bring it back to life.
outer wave
Oh yeah I heard something about an Apothecary being able to give wounds back to it for some reason
signal bramble
Not for any lore reasons but because of the way the rules were written.
outer wave
Ye
signal bramble
Fliers got hit hard in current rules in that they can’t start on the board anymore.
You have to start them in reserves which messes up the reason people used them in the first place.
outer wave
Damn
arctic talon
Does anyone use these Primaris models on the tabletop? I havent really seen anyo...
The Storm speeder is very good
you'll see them in some tournament lists
outer wave
I see I see
arctic talon
but you won't see them in most battle reports
since those usually aren't comp focused
but they're one of the fastest and cheapest ways to deliver a fuckton of melta straight to a priority target
or a lascannon
regarding the ATV's GW forgetting to give them vehicle was a huge mistake
and they could get revived
lul
signal bramble
There’s another pretty nasty oversight recently. The Eversor has a new data sheet and it’s the only power sword that doesn’t give +1S. Maybe he forgot to turn the battery on.
arctic talon
they forgor
but the ATV and the Stormspeeder both had their time in the spotlight
any sort of silly looking mini in 40k
has prolly been good at one point or another
actually I take it back
copper patrol
old nagash
copper patrol
was old nagash ever good
arctic talon
idk
I don't think so
mostly since the games you could play him in had to be really big
and he just got blown off the board lol
copper patrol
this one
copper patrol
lotsa old epic and warmaster minis look goofy as well
serene mist
Looks almost Tau ish
echo vault
Weshammer is a surprisingly good Warhammer channel, he's not super snarky and doesn't interject memes, he is nice to listen to. He's a bit clickbaity but he's alright
echo vault
this one and this one were never good
I wish you could deep stroke those structures and just be able to crush someone
arctic talon
They should be able to deep strike
echo vault
his thumbnails cuase a visceral reaction of annoyance from me
I was the same way 100%
I was just a lil tipsy and needed something to watch and I chose his video and it was good
versed ledge
Happy Slaanesh day, lads
torpid narwhal
so is chaos like an infection or is it like the dark side where its something you choose
copper patrol
both
copper patrol
it depends on what's happening but it can be either
some times it's both at once
nurgle does that a lot
you are already sick with some disease then he offers you a way out of the pain
some times even being around a greater deamon can also make you fall to chaos
storm jungle
so is chaos like an infection or is it like the dark side where its something yo...
99% of the time its entirely supernatural, you worship it, get the god's attention, you get mutations/blessings etc
As Sean says tho with Nurgle its a literal infection
torpid narwhal
99% of the time its entirely supernatural, you worship it, get the god's attenti...
storm jungle
open pumice
do I take the allarus shield captain to deep strike with the allarus fuck'em up squad
or do I let my bike captian fallback and charge, and take 2 more wardens
coarse mirage
The more I see, hear and learn what AI is currently being used for and what the CEO's of such companies intend for themselves I can agree with the Imperium about it all being abominable.
coarse mirage
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/161835061925117952/1072522921613991986/mg...
It's...not wrong
desert dust
Honestly I have heard some discussions about the definition of cyborg and how it pretty much apply to all first world humans.
Definition of cyborg is a human implanted with machines/technology.
But humans now are constantly hooked up to the internet thought a device in there hand and constantly been influenced by warping there way of thought.
You can't function in regular society without this device that's connected to you all hours of the day and night
coarse mirage
Honestly I have heard some discussions about the definition of cyborg and how it...
This has often been the case with different types of technology.
desert dust
Yeah but never to this extent
coarse mirage
There's a good meme of a meme made to make fun of boomers. It shows the boomer meme of kids on their phones not talking to each other, with a photo underneath it of people on the subway all reading the newspaper not talking to each other.
desert dust
Yeah that's just life in any city
coarse mirage
We like distractions
Well we could go deep into this discussion if we wanted to but let's not, we're going off topic and it's my fault :p
copper patrol
L O R E
desert dust
Anyway if I get hearing aids and a pace maker what rank of the mecanicus am I?
copper patrol
far before the crux mechanicus
is that what it's called?
the over 50% is augmetics one
desert dust
Idk been a while since I read mecanicus
arctic talon
far before the crux mechanicus
Crux mechanicus yeah
plush mason
is that an arbitrary kind of thing or does it actually matter to the tech priest that passes it?
arctic talon
It matters a lot
Its like a rite of passage
any skitarii that passes it == instant alpha/veteran
any techpriest that passes it gets a lot more respect then they previously had
It shows your dedication
plush mason
k
crimson kayak
Honestly I have heard some discussions about the definition of cyborg and how it...
If we want to go into detail technically a person with a phone is not really a cyborg, but anyone using mechanized prosthetics is.
Like anyone using an Heroarm or a Myo partial electric hand
Give em a gun and a couple lobotomies and they are basically 3k Skitaari.
sleek wigeon
still wild that the skiitari are borderline servitors
desert dust
It's more like cyborg is man mixed with machine
But does the machine have to be implanted into your body to effect your mind
celest dome
still wild that the skiitari are borderline servitors
Some are nothing more than Servitors, while other are very much independent
brisk beacon
Can any1 recommend 40k yt channels for lore
ripe ravine
Can any1 recommend 40k yt channels for lore
Luetin09 and Oculus Imperia are both good
i've also heard good things about Arbitor Ian, Adeptus Ridiculous, and ABorder Prince who does fan audio recordings of campaign books
sleek wigeon
Can any1 recommend 40k yt channels for lore
Bricky is a good entryway with his vids on every faction and every astartes legion
memey and jokey but they're still very good, I come back to them for a refresher now and then
ripe ravine
Bricky is one of the hosts for Adeptus Ridiculous but his solo lore videos are also light hearted fun
lilac wave
It's a crime that Baldemort isn't better known.
sleek wigeon
hypothetical: If you could worship any chaos god, who would it be?
Personally, i'd go for Tzeentch
Yes i know he could screw me over at any turn and he's notorious for it, but holy shit do the thousand sons have drip
that and he's the galaxy's greatest troll
undone zodiac
And being khorne servant does not require you to be complete lunatic
Just make things bleed
ripe ravine
grandfather nurgle loves you
sure you transform into a body horror movie but you also don't really care
sleek wigeon
nurgy is another one I can get behind
everyone fears death and yes you become grossly mutated, but you will not die naturally
ripe ravine
there's also a legitimate sense of camaraderie and optimism that comes from being driven so crazy you no longer feel the pain of disease
celest dome
hypothetical: If you could worship any chaos god, who would it be?
Tzeentch if I'm a Psyker, Khorne if I'm not
ripe ravine
I feel like tzeentch would make sense as the least worst option if it weren't for the constant homicidal paranoia
sleek wigeon
there's also a legitimate sense of camaraderie and optimism that comes from bein...
yeah, nurgle supporters are easily one of the nicest groups
mfw thousand sons split in half because drama
ripe ravine
being a tzeentch follower is like a constant episode of game of thrones on meth
sleek wigeon
and that sounds pretty fun
ripe ravine
until it turns out one of your underlings was more clever
then you're dead
or if you try to coup your boss but mess up
but awesome wizard powers is nice consolation prize
sleek wigeon
exactly
yes I could die at any moment because tzeentch is bored, but holyfuckimawizard
celest dome
in most case, as a Chaos Cultist you're better of being mobile, and not creating surrounding groups
Like a Tzeentchian Cultist that just go and wreak havok in some place before leaving them to figure out stuff, maybe get a LoC sugar Daddy for good measure and continue messing with peoples
sleek wigeon
in most case, as a Chaos Cultist you're better of being mobile, and not creating...
that's one of the best parts of being a Tzeentch cultist
slippery, harder to trace whist doing your stuff and all the while still effective
the inquisition are shit scared of tzeentch agents for a good reason
celest dome
A Smart cultist of any god can end up wreaking havock on a Hive World
Even a Khornate one
sleek wigeon
then again, there are so many avenues for the changer of ways to come at you from
nobody is off limits, from the lowliest hive scav wanting to change his life to an imperial noble trying to get a leg up over a political opponent
signal bramble
i'd be more scared of a smart khornate
That would be the new guy, Lord Invocatus.
He was just added in the WE codex.
copper patrol
sleek wigeon
that has me a little confused
doesn't khorne hate guerilla tactics?
copper patrol
eh
Khorne "hates" a lot of stuff
but not really
it's more he has a preference for flat charges
like he is even fine with psykers as long as the are mainly self/ally buffers and don't accept help from warp entities
celest dome
Khorne hate Psyker but now has Goremages in 40k and Slaughter Priests in AoS
copper patrol
slaughter priests are a bit different
signal bramble
that has me a little confused
doesn't khorne hate guerilla tactics?
Ultimately khorne does not care whence the blood flows so long as there is killing in glorious close combat.
sleek wigeon
ah, gotcha
copper patrol
I mean even as there is killing in glorious combat
signal bramble
Though if they shoot things with bolters he doesn’t seem that down on it.
copper patrol
doesn't even really need to be melee
signal bramble
But he prefers they rip and tear and take heads.
copper patrol
definetly
i'd assume that it'd jsut take more ranged kiling to get any attention then compared to melee
signal bramble
He also draws the line between “sorcery” and warp rituals that summon daemons.
copper patrol
but it's not like he will spawn you for shootign a guy
signal bramble
but it's not like he will spawn you for shootign a guy
I know Khorne doesn’t care whence the blood flows but I’ve always assumed some of the chaos marines still have their warrior pride. Like if one of them only killed civilians and ignored anything that could fight back then the others would probably think him a coward even though he’s technically claimed lots of kills for Khorne.
signal bramble
We know Kharn is perfectly fine killing both. XD
I believe one of the books with him in it states he’s personally killed something in the realm of 2-3 million people by himself.
copper patrol
he has a kill counter in his helmet
signal bramble
he has a kill counter in his helmet
Yeah but he’s run it over back to 0 a few times.
plush mason
Kharn has been fighting and killing for over 10k years, in a galaxy as hellishly over populated as 40k's that amount of time makes 2-3 million personal kills not just believable but frankly a bit easy sounding
hell 2-3 million casualties is the price of admission for some of the guard's deployments lol
btw
friend of mine told me the lore of Angron's sword and all i can think is, who enjoyed that spectacle more? Khorne or Slannesh?
signal bramble
friend of mine told me the lore of Angron's sword and all i can think is, who en...
Yes.
plush mason
lol
robust zephyr
So how old is the sanguinor exactly? Because during the Dante novel ||the sanguinor appears to dante while he's in the desert before he even makes it to angels fall|| which would make him at least ||300 years older than dante|| seeing as ||the art teacher in the academy knew of him already and he was 300 years old at the time|| so is the sanguinor a title passed down somehow? Or is he the same person?
plush mason
isnt the Sanguinor a warp manifestation of some kind?
dreamy hemlock
gg
celest dome
isnt the Sanguinor a warp manifestation of some kind?
I think they left it unclear, but most probably, kinda like a Living Saint or something
Though some think it's the worshipped Sanguinus
plush mason
k
small mural
Been trying to look up something about Big E.
Is there no official lore on Big E fight with Horus. Beside know the after math of Horus and Sanguineness being killed and Big E being mortally injured?
arctic talon
Been trying to look up something about Big E.
Is there no official lore on Big ...
There’s no real lore on the fight itself
It was just background fluff in the past
And they’re not gona touch it till the siege of terra books gets to that point
plush mason
i wonder if ether of them will have a monolog before or during the fight
copper patrol
they both monolog at the same time
copper patrol
and sinec chaos is normally Saturday morning cartoonesque villains it would fit for corrupted horus
plush mason
yup
open pumice
Been trying to look up something about Big E.
Is there no official lore on Big ...
Not for another few months
The end and the death comes out, which will contain the big fight in probbaly volume 2
mystic geyser
The story of the Emperors duel has been told a few times. Always slightly different 😅
But yeah end and the death vol2 will give it the modern update.
Pretty excited, but nervous part 1 will just be a tease with no payoff
Which is this weekend
storm jungle
its Abnett so expect a needless plot twist in there too
arctic talon
Odds are they aren’t gona switch the basic premise
Of Horus kill sang
Emperor kill Horus
storm jungle
Something like this yeah
storm jungle
just one right?
Its very hard to tell
that Erda twist/reveal kinda cemented that anything can happen
signal bramble
its Abnett so expect a needless plot twist in there too
Sanguinius gets Horus in a full nelson and big E is forced to kill both with his special attack.
next rampart
Sanguinius gets Horus in a full nelson and big E is forced to kill both with his...
Which is only possible if Horus is naked.
mystic geyser
i'm braced for a big twist
mystic geyser
like Sanguinius falling, and he being the one who injures the Emperor, but Horus takes the blame
plush mason
literally the theory Majorkill put forward a while back
that Sanquinius fell to a rage and killed Horus and then attacked big e shortly after
open pumice
its Abnett so expect a needless plot twist in there too
most likely not, he's been fairly straight forward with the siege so far
storm jungle
most likely not, he's been fairly straight forward with the siege so far
Theres deffo gonna be a twist
he cannot resist
If he just followed the story beat by beat that would be boring and he knows it
open pumice
Probably not anything super major imo
most probably if there is a twist
it'll be something to do with Oll Persson
mystic geyser
most likely not, he's been fairly straight forward with the siege so far
have you even read Saturnine
open pumice
I have?
mystic geyser
its pretty wild
storm jungle
Its definitely gonna be something major
open pumice
saturnine isn't very twisty
storm jungle
pretty much expected at the moment
open pumice
it's fairly straight forward
open pumice
pretty much expected at the moment
the real plot twist is there wont be one because everyone expects it
open pumice
its pretty wild
Saturnine was fairly straight forward
unless fulgrim doing something stupid because abbadon coerced him into being a dumbass is a twist
storm jungle
the real plot twist is there wont be one because everyone expects it
Nah, again Abnett is absolutely gonna do something twisty
hes a comic writer, its like half his job
open pumice
the only real plot twist of the siege was perty deciding to fuck off walfway through mortis and incedentally allowing the retaking of the astronomicon
mystic geyser
Saturnine was fairly straight forward
ok just a small summary of the twists in Saturine
||It is revealed that hte primarchs had a mother figure, erda, the closest thing to an equal to the Emperor.
Erda is responsible for the scattering of the primarchs
The entire Justaerin get wiped out
The Ollianous Pearson narrative gets rewritten as a fable based on something different.
||
open pumice
None of those were twists?
mystic geyser
I'll have to disagree
open pumice
ah yeah
erda was new
i forgor
Also at this rate everyone and their mother has been responisble for the scattering of the primarchs
storm jungle
Its happened like 3 times
one was time travel
one was horus
one was erda
jesus christ
open pumice
but ollianus the pius was always up in the air
plush mason
Its happened like 3 times
its just like them kill off and unkilling off the thunder warriors lol
storm jungle
its just like them kill off and unkilling off the thunder warriors lol
pretty much lmao
storm jungle
but ollianus the pius was always up in the air
Pious was pretty much was always set in stone
the problem is
as ever
the writers wanted to change it
and you got like 3 fucking versions of the thing
I like this new take on it during the Siege more
open pumice
Pious was pretty much was always set in stone
pious was about as set in stone as the next time i'm going to take a piss
storm jungle
pious was about as set in stone as the next time i'm going to take a piss
It was literally always an imperial trooper
then they just made it a custodeeznuts
then a random terminator
because undecisive writer is undecisive
storm jungle
Nah, its just bad writing.
open pumice
and thuis not running with a cohesive storyline allows people to interperet and theorize themselves
storm jungle
They very much clearly wanted to change it because a random nameless soldier dying to Horus was not "epic" enough
open pumice
Nah, its just bad writing.
sometime syes
storm jungle
sometime syes
this was very much one of those cases
theres a difference between "open endedness" and then just changing events because writers are doofuses
open pumice
They very much clearly wanted to change it because a random nameless soldier dyi...
because it is, all things considered, kinda a lame excuse for big E to go damn, horus, you are the warhammer 40k
storm jungle
because it is, all things considered, kinda a lame excuse for big E to go *damn...
Its really not
open pumice
it really is
open pumice
horus
open pumice
i see you have besieged my planet
storm jungle
all in a big soup
copper patrol
you are the warhammer 40k
storm jungle
you are the warhammer 40k
🙏
storm jungle
that really wasnt the point of it
more just at that point he pretty much realised Horus is gone more or less
open pumice
more just at that point he pretty much realised Horus is gone more or less
yes at that point
storm jungle
yes *at that point*
yes im aware
open pumice
that's the point i'm tyring to make
open pumice
that's the real bad writing
open pumice
like i said, 99% of HH is bad writing
disagree TBH
storm jungle
none of Big E's actions make sense in any where in it
storm jungle
disagree TBH
"Im not gonna rescue angron because plot"
open pumice
most of Big E's stuff is bad writing
storm jungle
"Im not gonna help Konrad because plot"
"Im not gonna stop Lorgar because plot"
etc etc
it gets very tiring
and i read all 55 books 💀
copper patrol
big e is more of a plot point then a character most the time
storm jungle
you'd be surprised
open pumice
he is a plot device
storm jungle
half of the people want to act like hes a giga-mind person that has planned all this
when hes clearly just an idiot
open pumice
"Im not gonna rescue angron because plot"
also explain this one too me
exactly how was he supposed to do angron any different
open pumice
him going down onto nuceria, and winning the war for angron, wouldn't have made anrgon any less piseed
storm jungle
literally help rescue his fucking comrades
open pumice
angron dind't give a shit his revolution failed
angron was pissed he didn't die amongst his fellow slaves
open pumice
Its always very directly describe as angron being pissed he dind't get to die
copper patrol
angron is peak GW naming tho
storm jungle
The Heresy could easily be written as Big E rescuing angron, removing the nails and him becoming loyal to Big E
its just fictional writing being weird
open pumice
The Heresy could easily be written as Big E rescuing angron, removing the nails ...
your fogetting the fat thatmost of the heresy has to be within the premade constraints
storm jungle
your fogetting the fat thatmost of the heresy has to be within the premade const...
No I'm really not
i literally said that above
open pumice
the world eaters can't suddenly become a loyalist legion in 40k because abnett said so
copper patrol
also like iron hands, who has iron hands and is the primarch of the iron hands
storm jungle
also like iron hands, who has iron hands and is the primarch of the iron hands
Its okay nobody remembers Ferrus
open pumice
and eyah they
could ahve doen that
but that both
isn't an interesting story
and is again, contradictory to whats been set in stone
storm jungle
Pretty much
open pumice
"Big E comes along and fixes everyone's problems" is lame as hell
storm jungle
But basically it becomes kinda boring when everything happens "because plot"
open pumice
"Big E is a flawed character who doesn't care for his creations as he fucks off and neglects his nacent imperium" is atleast the groundwork for a story
storm jungle
some dumb stuff in the heresy can be explained in a cohesive manner
but a lot of it is just really badly explained most of the time
open pumice
some dumb stuff in the heresy can be explained in a cohesive manner
i would argue most of it can
storm jungle
i would argue most of it can
the Burning of Prospero is a really bad one
Magnus just acts like an idiot because they gotta fall to chaos
open pumice
burning of prospero was handled badly
open pumice
like genuinely
copper patrol
at least Leman wasn't done as dirty from what I understand
open pumice
prospero burns was god fucking awfula nd I hated every minue of it
storm jungle
Leman is very hard to fuck up
arctic talon
^
storm jungle
thats one factor
storm jungle
also like he felt no regret in destroying magnus and his legion
he only felt regret at being tricked
arctic talon
They’re very tropey
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because hes a piece of shit
open pumice
While Lion is the savage noble
the lion has the personality of printer paper
arctic talon
also like he felt no regret in destroying magnus and his legion
Him feeling regret after the fact is funny as hell
storm jungle
it is KEK
open pumice
¯_(ツ)_/¯
storm jungle
I cant wait for Lion to come back at the end of Arks of Omen, im sure we are all excited here tho
open pumice
prospero could have been so much better
copper patrol
space odin russ please
open pumice
if dan abnett hadn't fucked up the book prospero burns
and had bothered to write a good story
arctic talon
I cant wait for Lion to come back at the end of Arks of Omen, im sure we are all...
Maybe they’ll make him intresting
storm jungle
Maybe they’ll make him intresting
copper patrol
or crack addict jagahti
copper patrol
what being lost in comoragh does to a mf
arctic talon
In HH
open pumice
I cant wait for Lion to come back at the end of Arks of Omen, im sure we are all...
oh boy, i can't wait for a personalitiless character to come back and fuck everything up because guillima was getting to cheery
storm jungle
oh boy, i can't wait for a personalitiless character to come back and fuck every...
my guy cant catch a break
arctic talon
He’s prolly not gona mess anything up truth be told
storm jungle
probably this
open pumice
guilliman is rad
arctic talon
Prolly is going to kill a lot of marines tho
Of what type
The answer is prolly both lol
storm jungle
KEK
open pumice
yeah
arctic talon
He’s not gona be happy
open pumice
i'm
open pumice
not looking forward to the secxond worst written character the the horus heresy to come back
arctic talon
On the other hand I hope he gets weird nature magic
storm jungle
Oh no what will the Dark Angels ever do after he comes back
Oh yeah just go hunt fallen again
LIKE THEY HAVE DONE
SINCE
2010
arctic talon
Oh no what will the Dark Angels ever do after he comes back
**Oh yeah just go h...
At least they aren’t hunting fallen in arks of omen
copper patrol
"brother I have fallen down"
arctic talon
Yet
storm jungle
At least they aren’t hunting fallen in arks of omen
God dont fucking joke about that
LMAO
copper patrol
cipher is gonna show up
arctic talon
I mean they haven’t done it yet lol
open pumice
not looking forward to the secxond worst written character the the horus heresy ...
the only worse one is corswain
storm jungle
cipher is gonna show up
This is absolutely gonna happen
arctic talon
Well
storm jungle
🧠
arctic talon
More csm then fallen csm
arctic talon
Fallen are like
storm jungle
storm jungle
true
arctic talon
And there’s some that are very chaosy
signal bramble
One of them became a daemon prince so not that low tier.
storm jungle
look at them coming at me with these yee yee ass haircuts and robes
arctic talon
I said on average
storm jungle
arctic talon
There’s a lot of fallen lol
copper patrol
that is a yeeyee ass haircut
storm jungle
Watch out, they got playdough
open pumice
There’s a lot of fallen lol
and theyre all more interesting than the actual dakr angels
arctic talon
The fact they’re photoshopped dark angel veterans is hilarious
In 40k I disagree
In 30k sure
open pumice
"Brother, i am betraying the emperor"
"Why"
"So I can have an interesting story for once"
arctic talon
40k dark angels are fine
Regarding the individual characters
The fallen storyline is boring as fuck
copper patrol
also like
arctic talon
But the individual characters that make up the chapter are pretty intresting
arctic talon
Like Azreal, Asmodai, Ezikieal and Belial are all fine as characters
Along with Saphion
Who doesn’t have a mini 
storm jungle
and people don't know about them
Yeah its a shit can of worms
also like
every dark angels book
has the fallen as twist/main villains
its legit so fucking boring
storm jungle
YOU JOKE
copper patrol
storm jungle
LITERALLY FUCKING ANYTHING
GO KILL OTHER SPACE MARINES FOR ALL I CARE
JUST PLEASE
NO MORE FALLEN
copper patrol
there many books about salamanders?
copper patrol
I figured
storm jungle
Salamanders suffer from like uh
arctic talon
One writer syndrome
storm jungle
"one author that only writes for them, and he sucks"
arctic talon
Lul
arctic talon
rose thorn
NO MORE FALLEN
Chad fallen vs virgin dark Angel
copper patrol
admech also have like what
rose thorn
Admech and GSC don’t even have a writer
Hey they had one!
copper patrol
1 named character with a model
rose thorn
(They we’re in the same book)
copper patrol
and gsc don't have any
arctic talon
They don’t have an active writer
storm jungle
Admech literally got Forges of Mars which is a fantastic series but its from the mid 2000's
they dont really get much else
rose thorn
and gsc don't have any
technically the bomber perosn was a named character
arctic talon
Admech also had 2
copper patrol
tbf it's rather hard to give them an actual named character
arctic talon
But daedolus got turned into a generic mini
storm jungle
and gsc don't have any
Cult of the Spiral Dawn and Day of Ascension are really good
rose thorn
The ‘new’ admech character use to be a rogue trader character
copper patrol
wait they have a new one?
rose thorn
Model
arctic talon
No
rose thorn
Uh
arctic talon
Techno archeologist
rose thorn
It’s an tech priest with a gun
arctic talon
Was a named character
Got turned into a generic character
He was from the blackstone fortress expansion
rose thorn
And the og combat arena!
arctic talon
OH AND THE ADMECH CHARACTER THATS ONLY IN KT
He has 40k rules
Actually
But you can’t use him in the admech codex
rose thorn
He is an add on for the rogue trader
Technically he’s an electro priest
He’s a Lectro-Maester
signal bramble
Since he doesn’t have a forgeworld keyword
Uh yes he does.
rose thorn
Larsen van der Grauss
signal bramble
The tech archaeo is in The Admech 9th edition codex my dude.
arctic talon
I’m 99% sure Larsen van de graus does not
arctic talon
The tech archaeo is in The Admech 9th edition codex my dude.
We aren’t talking about the techno archeologist
Lol
We’re talking about the killteam guy
@signal bramble
This guy lol
signal bramble
Oh that guy.
copper patrol
he looks like a nerd
rose thorn
I’m 99% sure Larsen van de graus does not
he has the astra cartogipha key word
arctic talon
Ye
Okay so turns out he does have a forge world key word
But he doesn’t have cult mechanicus
So he breaks the rules anyways
KEKW
rose thorn
he looks like a nerd
His job is to ‘fully understand and wield energies, and to use energy in unexplored territories’
rose thorn
allowing them to fully understand and wield energy. They are often charged with claiming the energies of unexplorted territories,
plush mason
He’s part of the cult of the motive force
the what
rose thorn
Oh
arctic talon
Or rather they worship it as the omnissiah
copper patrol
the omnissiah or the machine god
arctic talon
The admech have a holy trinity thing
rose thorn
Yeah
rose thorn
the omnissiah or the machine god
yeah
arctic talon
The omnissiah, the motive force and the machine god
rose thorn
HWVDDHAHAHAHA
plush mason
so the "motive force" is the holy spirit i take it?
arctic talon
Yep
plush mason
got it
plush mason
yup
arctic talon
Except some forge worlds like ryza don’t worship the motive force
rose thorn
And the machine god is god
Lmao I remember someone yelled at me for not capitalizing the G in god referring to the Christian god
rose thorn
But cool
arctic talon
Yeah
rose thorn
I know like, admech don’t like a lot of space marines because they are bio engendered
copper patrol
that sounds like a sisters thing
celest dome
I know like, admech don’t like a lot of space marines because they are bio engen...
There are Admech Magos about biology
Magos Biologicus or something
rose thorn
But also like 3/4ths of the imperium armies don’t like space marines
arctic talon
Biologis like marines
The rest of the tech priests are more lukewarm to don’t like them
Just ignore the mechanicus’s own “super soldier” program
Which were the thallax
Which were considered horrifying by a lot of tech priests
rose thorn
Boy oh golly that sure did end well
rose thorn
Just ignore the mechanicus’s own “super soldier” program
And alpha primus, and also all of caw
arctic talon
But also there were moral concerns
Mostly since torturing a human for eternity to make the ultimate fighting force
Is a bit extreme
Especially when you reward them for killing things
They were really good at killing marines during the heresy tho lul
celest dome
Weren't the Thallax the one that burned through Skitarii faster than you could produce them ?
arctic talon
No
rose thorn
I like the forge world that works for the grey knights colors, but I forgot if they had a gimmick besides that
arctic talon
They just had a high failure rates because not all humans could endure the process
And mental anguish
rose thorn
Also being the smallest forge world
arctic talon
I like the forge world that works for the grey knights colors, but I forgot if t...
Deimos
rose thorn
Yeah
rose thorn
Ah
arctic talon
They follow the grey knights around
plush mason
rose thorn
They have some weird anti daemon stuff
Sisters style or actual science?
rose thorn
Based
arctic talon
And they’re really good at techno exorcisms
rose thorn
Wait what
arctic talon
And “purification”
rose thorn
And they’re really good at techno exorcisms
I’m sorry what?
arctic talon
You exorcise the daemon from a machine
rose thorn
Yeah true
arctic talon
But they managed to unposess some skitarii
plush mason
tbf a shit ton of the computers in 40k are made from people, so it could work lol
arctic talon
Which is impressive
rose thorn
There is actually a demon computer virus
arctic talon
But almost all of their lore
rose thorn
Is from warzone charadon
Ah so gone
arctic talon
They’re still around
They came in with the grey knights to clean up the situation
After Metallica was 70% nurgle infected
And several planets were ruined
And they also killed a few billion innocents but we don’t need to talk about that 
plush mason
Daemonic scrap code
in the case of Slanneshian scrap code its just 5k terabytes of porn 😛
rose thorn
I was gonna say ‘I might make an admech kt of them with my skitarri box’ then I forgot that every non box set kill team is a joke
arctic talon
Admech have a bespoke killteam
Actually
It got released in white dwarf
And it uses normal admech
Minis
Also regarding non boxset killteams that are good, deathwatch, harlequins and scions are very good
rose thorn
Oh yeah the death watch box is basically just a killteam box, I’ve only seen people one run at a time
Scions are cool, I wish their lore wasn’t so fucking boring
arctic talon
But admech killteam is pretty good imo
rose thorn
I had an idea for a scion regiment that like, specialized in specifically cyber attacks and crap
rose thorn
And their proof of skill thing in order to become a scion is to hack a necron skull
arctic talon
Fancy
rose thorn
Which I realize now is very stupid
rose thorn
‘Ah yes I will hack a necron!’
‘Password; 1234silentking’
storm jungle
I had an idea for a scion regiment that like, specialized in specifically cyber ...
Theres a canon Scion regiment that is very good at fighting against plagues/toxic warzones to the point that Nurgle has sent daemons to specifically hunt them down
if you think your idea is dumb remember lore ones are usually even worse
rose thorn
PFFfffff
storm jungle
it reads as mary sue lore but they are real so
arctic talon
Lol
storm jungle
arctic talon
it reads as mary sue lore but they are real so <:KEK:984899442454970368>
There’s a scion regiment that wiped out a tomb world lul
rose thorn
Was that the one in the bolter and hammer where they got melted?
storm jungle
There’s a scion regiment that wiped out a tomb world lul
god
arctic talon
Do the poster boy scions even have a regiment
rose thorn
I think the only Benefit to making warhammer imperium POV is that you can say shit like that is propaganda
rose thorn
Like wasn’t there a book series that was decannonized to a book that exists in lore as propaganda
Or am I crazy?
rose thorn
Or was people shit posting.
arctic talon
If it’s in the heretical tomes section
arctic talon
It’s non canon
rose thorn
Wait isn’t farseer actually good
storm jungle
IT IS
arctic talon
Yes
storm jungle
its one of the best eldar books that is human centric
storm jungle
largely this yeah
rose thorn
How so?
storm jungle
its mostly because it has a mcguffin sword that can kill slaanesh
arctic talon
The way soul stones work
storm jungle
also this
arctic talon
And also the McGuffin sword
rose thorn
Oh
storm jungle
the book ends on an ambiguous note but i still highly recommend it, you can finish it in like a day too
copper patrol
the Jaq Draco books
storm jungle
oh yeah the dick with a mouth
arctic talon
If you know you know
arctic talon
Yep
storm jungle
It doesn't help that its like the first 40k novel
plush mason
the Jaq Draco books
what was the name of the squat in those books?
storm jungle
what was the name of the squat in those books?
THE most original name for a warhammer dwarf ever
||Grimm||
plush mason
LOL
plush mason
THE most original name for a warhammer dwarf ever
yeah iirc he was the least cringe character
rose thorn
Honestly I really like stories where chaos is a lot more, idk if the word is ‘chill’ but actually seems like they have thought and logic
copper patrol
didn't he get changes into a tech priest for the "rerelease"
plush mason
idfk
but iirc that is likely the case, as the squats where the admech before the admech really existed in oldhammer stuff
which is one of the reasons they got written out of the setting for a time
hushed kayak
whats with Ian watson over explaining something everytime Draco sees a point of interest lmao
storm jungle
Look, it was the 80's
night marsh
Haven't read HH in a while but was thinking last night randomly, were the space marines before they 'rediscovered' the primarchs still acting like their legion stereotypes or were they more like generic space mans
floral siren
Honestly I really like stories where chaos is a lot more, idk if the word is ‘ch...
Been readind the Dawn of Fire audiobooks and I love the clearly conflicting motivations of different Chaos leaders
rose thorn
Been readind the Dawn of Fire audiobooks and I love the clearly conflicting moti...
OoOO i heard its good
also anyone know where i can fidn the lroe in the elucidian starstriders codex
with out going poor lol
arctic talon
Haven't read HH in a while but was thinking last night randomly, were the space ...
They often times had their own culture pre discovery of their primarch
floral siren
OoOO i heard its good
I'm enjoying it, alot of 40k books are too battle heavy imo, the Dawn of Fire books definitely benefit from the overarching strokes of the war, and some good to great character writing sprinkled throughout.
I've particularly loved the Guard General doubting his faith in Gate if Bones and the Space Wolves Primaris Marine proving his worth as a Son of Russ to the firstborn of Fenris
A heavy thread throughout has been how the Indomitus Founding Primaris, the tens of thousands of Primaris that were entirely hypnotrained by the Adeptus Mechanicus, behave and integrate, or struggle to integrate, with the firstborn of their geneseed
plush mason
that book ruined that poor kids mind which is impressive given all he has been thru
torpid narwhal
So would you guys become like a tech priest to live forever
toxic hedge
depends, can I keep my face and hair?
celest dome
So would you guys become like a tech priest to live forever
Don't even need to live forever to get me on that side
torpid narwhal
depends, can I keep my face and hair?
No that's not how it works lol you are all metal
toxic hedge
there's plenty of art and model with techpriest human faces and parts tho
torpid narwhal
You can keep the brain
toxic hedge
if techpriest are full metal they aren't human anymore, that's tech heresy
torpid narwhal
Not if your brain is still in you
toxic hedge
Though their bodies often incorporate many inorganic components as bionic replacements, Tech-priests are fully Human, unlike the cybernetic servitors created by the Adeptus Mechanicus that carry out most of the heavy labour for all of the Imperium's myriad organisations and enterprises.
huh
ripe ravine
the goal for tech priests if they live long enough is to replace as much as possible. if you're a very good tech priest like an archmagos it's pretty common for you to be like 95% cyborg
if you've got a little bit of a cerebral cortex it still counts for the mechanicum
although there are a few radicals and free thinkers in stories that maintain mostly human faces, often magos biologises
magos biologi?
torpid narwhal
> Though their bodies often incorporate many inorganic components as bionic repl...
In a book there was a 700 year old one
Face would have rotted
Brain and heart are prob in a jar inside them
ripe ravine
well they could replace the face and other organs with basically super advanced cosmetic transplant surgery but most of the time with tech priests the mindset is metal is better
torpid narwhal
I also read about a 10,000 year old one
toxic hedge
nah age reversal, cell rejuvenation and transplant is all possible
that nobles on imperial planets do all the time
torpid narwhal
But I want to be a robot!
ripe ravine
yeah rejuvenat treatments are a thing, although those top out at around 500 years or so
eventually you start to reject the treatments
torpid narwhal
Reject humanity embrace metal
halcyon pulsar
if I were to RP as death korp krieg, what weapons would I run on sharpshooter?
( i decided cause I got a real good shovel)
celest dome
That's just memes
mystic geyser
They resisted having a shovel wielder in the new range
halcyon pulsar
fair
storm jungle
They resisted having a shovel wielder in the new range
they still made a shovel meme in the promotional material because people bitched in the stream
even tho the kit has shovels for digging bits kek
storm jungle
( i decided cause I got a real good shovel)
Literally any trench weapon
sleek wigeon
they still made a shovel meme in the promotional material because people bitched...
krieger fans
storm jungle
krieger fans <:KEKW_ogryn:1022077188322906163>
Krieg fans be like
"SHOVEL BEST MELEE WEAPON"
Meanwhile:
Yeah no thanks ill take a metal club any day of the week
or that turkish wooden stick
sleek wigeon
ice ax or billhook pls and ty
sleek wigeon
that is some ork shit and I love it
storm jungle
same
sleek wigeon
I absolutely picture some mekboy bored out of his mind throwing that together for a laugh
cause why punch something when you can punch and stab it at the same time?
celest dome
Weren't there even flails ?
storm jungle
Basically anything and everything
when you want to bash someone to death pretty much anything in your supplies will make for a good blunt weapon
sleek wigeon
just whatever you do, dont improv a weapon or the admech will be jelly enough to bust a cap in your ass
sleek wigeon
learned that reading about the Savlar Chem-Dogs (coolest regiment btw, eat your heart out Kriegers)
some of them did field repairs and other kitbashing with their gear that ended up in them being game ended by Admech on charges of heresy