Realistic FMV of your character on a hospital bed dead
#40k-lore-chat
arctic talon
Any sort of rad weaponry she has will prolly kill us nearly instantly
barren tapir
I swear, getting a galvanic rifle would be amazing!!!!
serene mist
As it should, yes
spring nest
yup
barren tapir
What's the sniper rifle for skitarii there's like e
Transuranic arquebus
spring nest
we need more autopistols
echo vault
Long las
serene mist
Yknow what fek it Imma redownload this game
echo vault
I mean stuff that has files will likely work again
arctic talon
What's the sniper rifle for skitarii there's like e
Radium jezalil
echo vault
I need more cancer guns
arctic talon
Phosphoenix isn’t a sniper
barren tapir
Yknow what fek it Imma redownload this game
Are you sure? If you uninstalled it there was a reason
arctic talon
I’m aware
serene mist
Are you sure? If you uninstalled it there was a reason
Yes, it was me having a fit
arctic talon
Admech is the main faction I play on the tabletop
serene mist
Because the autism is a helluva time
spring nest
I want like a full blown enforcer class for zealot
echo vault
Thallax class
spring nest
wats that
barren tapir
Yes, it was me having a fit
Probably a correct one though
arctic talon
Thallax class
I too enjoy constant screaming in pain
echo vault
30k robot
serene mist
AdMech Dreadnoughts essentially
arctic talon
Thallax arent robots
echo vault
Imagine the main bad guy from robocop 2
arctic talon
They’re a super mutilated human
serene mist
Who the heck are you again
echo vault
Robo Kane I think
serene mist
Like
What
echo vault
What
spring nest
oh cyborgs
arctic talon
Yeah
serene mist
You're just spouting off stuff
arctic talon
Me?
echo vault
I'm autistic
arctic talon
echo vault
And I'm tired as hell
spring nest
dreadnoughts but admech??!!!
arctic talon
arctic talon
dreadnoughts but admech??!!!
They do it to a normal person lol
serene mist
Thallax are fukkin wild
arctic talon
And unlike a dreadnought thallax are in constant pain
spring nest
ah.... so coffin on legs
serene mist
Yeah but they can't "Feel" it
arctic talon
Everytime they kill something
As a “reward”
Also they can see in a 360 degree radius
spring nest
oh no
serene mist
"See" is a strange way to put it
arctic talon
Well “see”
serene mist
They don't actually see or feel or anything
spring nest
40k is so sad sometimes
arctic talon
Very cool however
serene mist
Very, very cool yes
serene mist
Yep
echo vault
They can use irrad cleansers which are cancer flamethrowers
arctic talon
And have jet packs lol
spring nest
40k is like the most extreme universe, it's not even the most depressing, just extreme
echo vault
Imagine a scaled up tox flamer
serene mist
Image I have for a Thallax squad is it doing a boarding operation and using the jet packs to yeet themselves down hallways
Because "Momentum is our friend"
serene mist
"Kill the other guy"
echo vault
I couldn't find that image anywhere thank you
spring nest
Would 40k cruisers clap ISDs?
echo vault
Yeah
arctic talon
Yes
serene mist
Yes
echo vault
Using physical munitions helps
spring nest
would they clap the Executor?
echo vault
In time
serene mist
Potentially
echo vault
May take a lil
serene mist
Depends
serene mist
Problem with the Executor is I imagine the cruiser would do a ram and try to cut it in half because that's a very 40K thing to do
arctic talon
Also yeah
serene mist
And 40K ships are well equipped for the ram
arctic talon
If the cruiser is out gunned
serene mist
Whereas SW ships are not equipped to survive the ram
arctic talon
Astroieds are very dangerous to ships in Star Wars
serene mist
I wouldn't say "Slaves"
arctic talon
An imperial ship
spring nest
servants
arctic talon
Doesn’t give a fuck
arctic talon
They’ll drive right through a astroid field
spring nest
plus the imperial navy alone has 100,000+ large vessels i think
echo vault
I usually believe they don't do the whole slave reloading thing because that's just too stupid
arctic talon
I mean it’s pretty efficient
echo vault
I'm gonna be honest there's just a limit
arctic talon
To be honest
spring nest
while the empire has like 25,000
spring nest
i feel bad for guilliman
arctic talon
There’s quadrillions alone on terra
echo vault
I'd prefer if it's guys loading in the ammunition not people pulling on strongs
Pulling on rope
echo vault
It's just too stupid at least for me
arctic talon
With mechanized things
Along with pulling
It’s not just humans
The humans make it faster
echo vault
Like being the shell loader makes more sense to me and the bigger stuff is automated to a degree
spring nest
wait how large is the caliber on macrocannons?
barren tapir
wait how large is the caliber on macrocannons?
Yes
arctic talon
wait how large is the caliber on macrocannons?
You know how big a skyscraper is
yeah
open pumice
Depends on the macro cannon
open pumice
But your looking on the amall range
serene mist
The caliber is "Big"
open pumice
Toyota Corolla
arctic talon
spring nest
the caliber is "40,000"
arctic talon
This is a “smaller” one
open pumice
the caliber is "40,000"
You did it horus
You are the warhammer 40000
serene mist
lol
spring nest
you dare mention the arch-traitor?!!
barren tapir
Fuck erebus
arctic talon
spring nest
that is a normal one?!
arctic talon
open pumice
Fuck erebus
Based
barren tapir
Yes
arctic talon
Yeah
serene mist
It feels like from the era of 40K when "We are grimderp" was a thing
barren tapir
Rogue trader era
serene mist
I feel like things have shifted away from that
arctic talon
1999
barren tapir
You can recognize the style though
arctic talon
I feel like things have shifted away from that
Humans loading ship guns is still canon
serene mist
yeah
spring nest
I would assume each macrocannon on the phalanx is the size of rhode island
arctic talon
As of battle fleet gothic video games
serene mist
I'm less referring to that
arctic talon
Oh the style of it
barren tapir
You can get it is from rogue trader era by how the people are clothed btw
serene mist
And more referring to the massive lines of it, the people exulting for it, all of the rest of that stuff
The basic idea of "People load gun"
That I agree
But all the rest, the massive space of it as though a cathedral
That I don't think is still a thing
spring nest
how many ships does admech have (like thousands, tens of thousands, etc)
barren tapir
Yes
arctic talon
how many ships does admech have (like thousands, tens of thousands, etc)
M a n y
arctic talon
But all the rest, the massive space of it as though a cathedral
That’s still canon
You can find gun firing areas in deathwing
They’re very religious looking
The interior of ships are gothic through and through
spring nest
deathwing was fun for 2 hours
serene mist
Never played it
Seemed uh
Not my style
Also heard it was repetitive
I was a fukkin clown when I bought this thing though
barren tapir
What? You didn't liked being in a terminator armour and being killed by autogun? Now i wonder if we can get the same pattern here in DT
serene mist
lmao
open pumice
Can we get one lore accruate custodian vs the entirety of tertium (inquisition included)
arctic talon
What? You didn't liked being in a terminator armour and being killed by autogun?...
That happens in a lot of 40k games ngl
Daemongate kekw
Heavy stubber cultists
Destroyers of terminators
barren tapir
That happens in a lot of 40k games ngl
Indeed, like cultists killing SM with autoguns in dawn of war
arctic talon
One shotter of grey knights
Fucking grey knight terminator can get shot with a melta and live
But the heavy stubber cultist turns his insides into outsides
serene mist
If we ever see Astartes, Traitor or Loyalist, I want them to act like the ones from Astartes (The series)
barren tapir
Ironically speaking there could be a bit of reason behind that
Kinda like how flak armour is shit against solid bullets, but have improved energy protection
arctic talon
Also the same terminator that almost died to a cultist with a heavy stubber
open pumice
Yeah a melta is anti armor, but is.essentially a spicy flamer at range
open pumice
Yeah agreed
open pumice
I think the only way we'd getba spafe marine is like
arctic talon
Cultists beating you to death with a metal pipe
open pumice
One plague marine as a final boss
arctic talon
But a single power sword isn’t that bad
copper patrol
they'd be good as a set piece fight
where you aren't really fighting it
but you do something to kill it
open pumice
I mean
copper patrol
circumvents more lore issues
arctic talon
We’d prolly be puking our guts out
open pumice
4 elite guardsmen with inquisition weponry. Including a boltgun, can kill a space marine
arctic talon
Being in the same area as a plague marine
serene mist
"Elite"
arctic talon
Plague marines aren’t normal space marines
serene mist
Boi you've never seen me play have ya
arctic talon
Even in loyalist bolter porn
open pumice
Plague marines aren’t normal space marines
Yes
arctic talon
They eat hits like there’s no tomorrow
arctic talon
They’re like the one csm unit that’s never show as a joke
serene mist
We'd get a Plague Marine
Knock him down to no health
He gets up with full health
He laughs
arctic talon
We'd get a Plague Marine
Knock him down to no health
He gets up with full health
That happens in a book lol
serene mist
Redo for two times
Each time the air gets more thick with flies
arctic talon
A primaris marine blows a hole through a plague marine
With a plasma gun
Plague marine gets back up
And keeps on going lol
open pumice
Its still possible
arctic talon
Yeah
open pumice
But highly difficukt
arctic talon
But it’s gona suck the whole way
open pumice
Would be a good final boss
arctic talon
For our characters
open pumice
Yes
arctic talon
Hell drop a building on him lol
open pumice
And woul result in our characters summary execution
serene mist
I would say tho he needs to laugh the whole time
arctic talon
The few times we’ve seen plague marines die in lore books
Are due to really overwhelming firepower
arctic talon
Or psychic stuff
copper patrol
assume we don't do these missions a lot storyline wise
open pumice
White scars based gaming
arctic talon
But yeah that’s true
open pumice
But yes
arctic talon
They do die quite a bit in Warhawk
open pumice
Modern 40k they dont die as fast
arctic talon
Why do so many lieutennants have fucking
Average guard army on the tabletop 
So many fucking refractor fields
Lul
open pumice
Pain
serene mist
I want to see one Lieutenant who rolls in with grenades
Or rather
One Lieutenant rolls in
Five bombers also roll in
Welcome to pain
arctic talon
One Lieutenant rolls in
Five bombers also roll in
Horrifying
serene mist
Fatshark listen to that recommendation
Wait no no no
Gotta better one
Lieutenant rolls in
Five Mutants roll in
arctic talon
open pumice
How about
serene mist
Trappers?
open pumice
We ban thayr
open pumice
Lmao
open pumice
We do?
serene mist
Do we?
serene mist
Fuck my bad, my team's psyker keeps on blowing them up
arctic talon
They already got nurgle symbols all over them
rose thorn
🍿
open pumice
Dude im.happy thr boltguns fucking explodes my enemies
serene mist
I'm more thinking not just like...an idle animation
open pumice
Why eould they stop and start praying mid shootout lmao
serene mist
But imagine them huddled about, on their knees or bowed heads, with a central one going on with a sermon
open pumice
Thry alrrady call out to their god when they try and kill you
serene mist
Like...a group animation thing
Once people shoot em or get spotted, of course they'd act like they do now
But otherwise, yeah, praying and the like
The religious aspect of it seems more ignored
...for that matter
The effigies you see left and right, especially the bodies torn up and displayed
open pumice
Most cultists wouldnt rrally pray to nurgle
serene mist
You never see em getting put together
arctic talon
Most cultists wouldnt rrally pray to nurgle
They would I feel
They’re nurgle cultists
open pumice
They would do henius acts for him
Praying is a weak sign if devotion
Everyone can pray
Now can you kill for nurgle?
Thats whatbthe gods want to know
And they would make that very known
serene mist
Killing for Nurgle is a weak sign of devotion
Everyone can kill
Now can you get horribly infected for Nurgle?
arctic talon
Turn them into beautiful living flesh gardens
serene mist
That's what grandpappy wants to know
open pumice
Factual
serene mist
I want to see ritualized eatings of "Poisonous substances" darn it
Mushrooms that grow on the insides of waste bins
Or some nasty thing like that
copper patrol
i'd like to see more of the infighting between the dregs and scabs
serene mist
What exactly is the difference between the two
serene mist
Aaahhh
copper patrol
Dregs are cultists and former "gangers"
serene mist
Infighting between the two would be nice
copper patrol
I think we see a little
serene mist
But I feel like Scabs should operate under a more complex AI
They have these patrols and everything
But when they get thwacked, I'd want to see them calling in reinforcements or running to a prepared position
I'd want to see emplaced heavy stubbers or squads trying to flank
...that would definitely be a very uhhh intensive thing though
open pumice
Yeah
the game is unoptimized as is
we dont need
more a.i. for uhh
burner enemies
serene mist
Part of me doesn't want them to necessarily be burner enemies
open pumice
Part of me doesn't want them to necessarily be burner enemies
like what would you want of them
they are just
normal humans after all
hive gangers
and not even the combat stim roided up techno barbarians of necromunda
serene mist
No no no
I mean for the Scabs
Like, I want them to operate with some semblance of Guard training
To have some sort of preset plans
Even if that plan is "One of them has a Vox set and he'll get to cover to radio in a report"
And if he gets his message off, you get more Scabs rolling in
Or "Get hit by a sudden force, withdraw to cover to assess, if you think you're screwed withdraw further down so you draw them into a Multi-Las emplacement"
copper patrol
they are the moebian 6th iirc
open pumice
they are the moebian 6th iirc
oh yeah
open pumice
I mean it would be kinda cool sure for the first like
You already have to do so much target priority
I don't think adding even more would be a good idea
open pumice
Or "Get hit by a sudden force, withdraw to cover to assess, if you think you're ...
also a multi las would def. run into the same issues snipers do, where one at just the right time could compeltely doom a run, skilled players or no
serene mist
Yeah but that's true for a lot of specials I think
open pumice
I feel like
snipers are the worst
as they two shot almost every operative
and their reload time for shooting is almost perfectly matched up with zealots invuln
open pumice
Yeah but that's true for a lot of specials I think
but yes, adding more isn't really a good idea
especially if more means things like stationary gun emplacements, or a voxcaster
THe vox would be alot like the daemonhost IMO
it would be cool for like, the firs 4 games
and then you die because the veteran forgot to prioritize the voxcaster over the sniper, two ragers, a flamer and a amchine gunner
and your just pinned by hoards and specials from everywhere
chrome tendon
I noted a missing detail in Darktide: Dregs don't have their versions of Bomber, Sniper, Mauler and Trapper.
open pumice
Kinda makes sense?
chrome tendon
Why? shouldn't Dregs have those elites?
open pumice
I got my dudes backwards
but scabs would be ex guard, and dregs just
normal ass gangers right
open pumice
Why? shouldn't Dregs have those elites?
So then no, they have a few of their own, but if dregs are just normal ass gangers, they probably shouldnt
chrome tendon
Hmm, alright then. I though Fatshark forgot to make those models for Dregs.
reef kite
So like
with voxcaster you could take them out just as easily as a normal guy
But if you dont and they get behind cover and signal then it starts a hoard?
Especially since i'm guessing with the stuff your characters are capable of pulling in game by this point yall would be pretty well known as a major threat?
open pumice
with voxcaster you could take them out just as easily as a normal guy
i guess thats the guys thought
lethal wharf
Is the Emperor even a person or was he ever? Why dont the Chaos Gods try tempting him like tehy did the Primarchs?
untold mason
The Emperor is a man. A very ancient man, born as an Anatolian in that ancient nation, who was gifted with incomparable psychic power and biological immortality.
lethal wharf
Unlikely that he grew that powerful that he is literally orders of magnitude stronger than Magnus, a Warp-being engineered to be the strongest Caster ever
I am not saying he cannot be a man. Just saying it is unlikely. Otherwise it is possible that the Emperor is proto-Warp god, and the Warp being the Warp means he literally predates his existence
untold mason
Old lore says that humans were once guided by shamans who reincarnated after death. The shamans noticed that, after a while, fewer of them were being reborn, and realized it was because of the Chaos gods claiming their souls. The remaining shamans assembled, committed mass suicide, grabbed the captive souls of the other shamans, and all reincarnated in one body. This being would become the Emperor.
lethal wharf
Kinda like that dude from Berserk
lethal wharf
Old lore says that humans were once guided by shamans who reincarnated after dea...
This is very old lore though. Not saying it cannot be true. However even a thousand Alpha-grade shamans wiuld not comparte to his power
I am more of the theory is that the Chaos Gods sense he is a proto-Warp God and are actuvely trying to limit his ascension
OR that he is a weapon from DAoT come to life. The final weapon of the Men of Iron/Stone
One of the C'Tan even refers to him as such
open pumice
so
how do we feel about ||valdor potentially coming back in the new bequin novel, whenever that comes out||
mystic geyser
||Excited and terrified in equal measure||
And don't click if you care at all about spoiling endings.
fallen summit
how do we feel about ||valdor potentially coming back in the new bequin novel, w...
I was talking to a friend about this recently
Opens up a massive can of worms GW won't want ot deal with
fallen summit
Guilliman is comparatively simple
Valdor's entire story is a lot more complex than any of the primarchs barring Alpharius in terms of sheer FUCKERY
open pumice
Yeah, and thats why he should return lmao
Unlike guilliman whos been napping for 10000 years
Hes been busy doing something
And with cypher on terra
A showdown between the two would be rad as hell
Alternatively: a kind of anti Custodes
Since he's ||been tryibg to leake the emperors true name, supposedly to help reawaken him|| perhaps a bit of the custodian order would defect, to follow the first captain general
A schism between how the custodes view is the best way to save/protecc big E
shadow plover
Keep in mind that ||the events taking place in Bequin are long before waking of Guilliman and the start of Indomitus Crusade||
open pumice
True, but it doesnt mean they cant effect it, valdor has lived, if its truly him, 10000 years, whats a few hundred more to what is basically the priarch of the legio Custodes
shadow plover
Oh yeah that doesn't exclude the possibility of other interesting things happening afterwards
open pumice
A schism between how the custodes view is the best way to save/protecc big E
I also think this would allow for an intereating story line for the custodes, as they cant turn to chaos, and would never turn their bavks to the emperor, whaflt if instead, they turn on eachother on how to save him
We also havent heard from valerian in a while
Who would make a great segway for valdors return
crimson kayak
Wich is funny coz technically there's a bunch of primaris chapters based on the 2 and 11 legions but we'll never know who they are
echo vault
This is how the sons of the Phoenix are made
arctic talon
This is how the sons of the Phoenix are made
Except they share literally nothing in common with the emperors children but the scheme
And the original creator of them made them as imperial fists sucessors
They’re a GW employees homebrew marines who got turned into a canon chapter
They were never meant to be emperors children descendants
But yeah they have the same color scheme so sure
Let’s go with that
They’re emperors children descendent because of a similar color scheme and suspicious name despite sharing no culture with the emperors children
celest dome
They obv are Salamander as they have a lot of fire themed stuff
arctic talon
If anything they sound the most like word bearers
Since they’re highly religious, love crusading and love chapalains
tulip sand
Does the imperium not have a standard logi truck
copper patrol
sometimes honored people when they die are used to make servoskulls
it's ment to be a great honor iirc
lavish spoke
thats wild ive wondered about this
servo skull seems to be a great position of retirement
apothacarian medi station seems like a godamn punishment!
dusk patrol
Neither are typically aware
celest dome
Does the imperium not have a standard logi truck
The IG has some but other wise it's on a World to World basis
dusk patrol
The mediatstions in game aren’t really in keeping with lore on multiple fronts
dusk patrol
Partially because they’re not gonna be in the hive like that
tulip sand
The IG has some but other wise it's on a World to World basis
Mfw
Hopefully someone at gw realizes the oversight and they find an stc for something
Imagine a 40k Ural or ZIL
lavish spoke
I thought medistations are sentient because AI is no longer trusted in 40k
copper patrol
they are lobotimized people
dusk patrol
The punishment for fucking up servitoization lobotomy is to be servitorized
copper patrol
but not very well lobotomized sometimes
dusk patrol
So it’s really not common at all
lavish spoke
they seem to express their emotions of being lonely
celest dome
Hopefully someone at gw realizes the oversight and they find an stc for somethin...
Look at RL, most country have multiple logistic vehicle, and it would just serve to have a new one added to the pool of vehicle
dusk patrol
And definitely not as common as the game makes it out to be
dusk patrol
That’s more my point, they take liberties with certain things for the game
copper patrol
but not that fucked up
dusk patrol
Which is whatever
lavish spoke
insubordination = labotomy?
tulip sand
Look at RL, most country have multiple logistic vehicle, and it would just serve...
Ye but like
dusk patrol
The meditations probably aren’t canon for a lot of things
dusk patrol
insubordination = labotomy?
It depends
tulip sand
Thats usually because they are mid transition imo
Like for example US going to the M53
lavish spoke
what is to decide becoming part machine and becoming a hive raider
copper patrol
I figure most punishments aren't as bad as made out to be(ie they don't just kill you for doing a lot of stuff)
but those aren't grimdark
and edgy
tulip sand
Like a cheap mass produced 6 wheeler would be nice since imo its a big lore gap
copper patrol
so they don't show those
tulip sand
Grimdark is at its best when it leaves stuff up to your imagination
Describing things usually kind of takes the feeling away
celest dome
Like a cheap mass produced 6 wheeler would be nice since imo its a big lore gap
They exist, but there are millions of such vehicle types
celest dome
Just they aren't really shown because they aren't in fighting places
tulip sand
Closest i could find was cargo-8
In various novels there are references to unnamed trucks
celest dome
Some of the GSC vehicle could fit
tulip sand
I wish someone could namedrop one
Or like the looted truck what is the truck base of it
Ig same thing applies
signal bramble
A lot of the gsc stuff is repurposed civilian and laborer equipment.
crimson kayak
Gsc vehicles are mostly repurposed civil equipment
signal bramble
So yeah it can work.
tulip sand
Mining stuff right?
crimson kayak
Basically they use a bunch of technicals
signal bramble
Mining stuff right?
Menials and laborers yeah.
tulip sand
So if 2 gscs fight each other its a toyota war
open pumice
they also have access to astra militarum vehicles
tulip sand
Because im thinking like what would a PDF take into battle since they dont have chimeras to use
crimson kayak
So if 2 gscs fight each other its a toyota war
I don't think two gsc would fight but yes, yes it would
copper patrol
tauroxes?
signal bramble
Because im thinking like what would a PDF take into battle since they dont have ...
Depends on the world.
celest dome
Yeah, Tauros and Taurox are adapted from civilian pattern iirc
signal bramble
A planet like Armageddon has their own chimeras.
Otherwise it would depend on whatever local stuff they have. Trucks, boats, etc.
celest dome
There is also the Crassus, but it's sorta rare
crimson kayak
If it's a regiment world then most probably they have some kind of access to standard guard equipment, if it's just random world 5402 then it's probably local stuff or some kind of logistic equipment we haven't seen.
celest dome
But anyway, Trains a very much used for most long range logistic stuff, then it's smaller vehicle (Also Enfocers can have tanks sometime)
crimson kayak
Now that I think about it I would love a Kill Squad Kill Team
Considering they are basically the pdf scions
celest dome
Aren't we getting Arbites Kill Team ? Might be able to run them as is (Or just as normal Scions)
signal bramble
Aren't we getting Arbites Kill Team ? Might be able to run them as is (Or just a...
We are and they’ll have their own 40k rules.
celest dome
Obv they have their own rules, but would a Kill Squad be better portrayed as Arbites or as Scions (Or Guardsmen)
hushed kayak
Do praetor pattern armour exist in different MK type armour?
open pumice
Do praetor pattern armour exist in different MK type armour?
Praetor isn't an armor pattern
Praetor is just the rank, the praetors we see in like the AoD box set are in artificer wrought mkVI
Like here is a blood angels praetor in mk IV
hushed kayak
oh i see, because they look bigger compared to the other.
open pumice
Their models are bigger
hushed kayak
open pumice
but it's less of a armor thing
and it's more of a design choice to make the HQs look bigger
your praetor is on the same base size as a primarch
hushed kayak
Makes sense
arctic talon
Yeah praetors are intentionally huge
It makes them stand out better on the tabletop
hushed kayak
that’s a sick model, plus i was wondering why is he bigger than a terminator lmao
open pumice
yeah its got nothing to do with the canonical size of the praetor\
he'd likely be the same size as a normal tac marine
arctic talon
that’s a sick model, plus i was wondering why is he bigger than a terminator lma...
Have you seen how big the terminator praetor is
hushed kayak
Have you seen how big the terminator praetor is
open pumice
it's because they really want horus heresy to be about independant characters
that and they always make HQ units larger to stand out more
arctic talon
The game is all about primarch or primarch equivalents
If someone bring ones
Because most units in the primarch caragory can easily kill 2 to 3x their points
open pumice
Hence why, as much as I hate it, valdor is a primarch now
hushed kayak
Hence why, as much as I hate it, valdor is a primarch now
what
open pumice
I know
open pumice
he's not a priamrch lorically
open pumice
Same with that dark mech guy
mechanicum don't have any primarch models :)
hushed kayak
So this is a way to categorize these units?
arctic talon
mechanicum don't have any primarch models :)
He can kill a primarch and that makes him one in my heart
open pumice
So this is a way to categorize these units?
No, its a special rule
hushed kayak
hmm
open pumice
models get the primarch(infantry) unit type
arctic talon
So this is a way to categorize these units?
Remember universal special rules
It’s bcs of that system
open pumice
It’s bcs of that system
But its not
hushed kayak
im building a Night Lords army for HH, so this is kinda new.
open pumice
Valdor was an HQ last eddition
open pumice
he should have remained a HQ
arctic talon
open pumice
The problem with big points custodes units, is only one of them will actually pay for themselves
hushed kayak
lmao
open pumice
so I run Valdor and a tribune for lore reasons, and in 9/10 games, only one of them will ever actually be worth my time to bring
it's not always the same one, sometimes the tribune kicks ass and 1v1s a leviathan, and othertimes valdor just sweeps through 3 command squads
but never both
I would much rather valdor be in the HQ slot with eternal warrior
open pumice
It does
he's not a primarch
His unit entry even syas he's not a primarch
so why is he in the primarch slot
though the 5+ it will not die, and the precision strikes/precision shots stuff is nice
I would much rather he got good special rules that were from being a rpimarch
like his exploding 6s being bad
(it's either overkill, or not nearly enough, never anywhere inbetween)
arctic talon
Horus heresy a game that’s balanced around marines
Is somehow less balanced then 40k
Which has to juggle a bunch of non marine factions
open pumice
Is somehow less balanced then 40k
9th is actually fairly balanced TBH
arctic talon
Also it looks like FW/GW is killing imperial cults and militias
open pumice
there are very few factions that are just
arctic talon
9th is actually fairly balanced TBH
I’m aware
It’s my favorite edition in the past couple years
arctic talon
Mostly because no army is in the unholy pit of unplayable garbage
Remember 7e skitarii on launch
That was pretty funny
open pumice
Is somehow less balanced then 40k
The game would be more balanced if they bothered to playtest liber mechanicum and liber imperium
arctic talon
Good ol 15% win rate
arctic talon
The game would be more balanced if they bothered to playtest liber mechanicum an...
Prolly lol
Liber mechanicum and imperium both feel like they were written by an intern
open pumice
The very first statblock in liber imperium (constantin caldor) is fucked 5 ways to friday
i mean
just lightning blows
open pumice
just him getting lightning blows (6+) twice is fucked up
open pumice
Imperial militias and chaos cults
only solar auxilla
arctic talon
Well guess we know what armies are getting squatted next lol
open pumice
Well guess we know what armies are getting squatted next lol
prolly for the best tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯
arctic talon
Yeah
They had 0 support
What so ever
And I do not count forgeworld tank minis meant for 40k as support
open pumice
they were a cool concept for 1e which was about porting 40k 7th edition models over to 30k
arctic talon
Yeah
open pumice
but they do not work for 2e
we might get a chaos cults supplement
still waiting on that DotR PDF
open pumice
they've already promised it
they really chose the worst possible image for mk III armor in this image
arctic talon
MKII is pretty ugly as well lol
hushed kayak
good thing they remodel them lmao
open pumice
well yeah but MKII is always ugly
open pumice
More tastefully ugly
hushed kayak
MK III looks way better
open pumice
MK 1 is based
Honestly
I ahve a suspicion horus heresy is gonna be dead in the water in 6-8 months if GW doesnt get their shit together
i.e. the cerebus
open pumice
Oh yeah right now it's incredibly popular
the problem is it's still riding first wave pupularity
hushed kayak
well, they’re rolling more forgeworld models towards 10th edition. so hopefully it should mean something
open pumice
however several legions are straight unplayable withotu dropping over 500 dollars on just your basic troops
like assault amrines still lack an upgrade kit
so do despoilers
several units either don't exist, or don't exist with all of their wargear, like destroyers
arctic talon
well, they’re rolling more forgeworld models towards 10th edition. so hopefully ...
not really as far as I can tell
hushed kayak
well, HH models i suppose.
open pumice
well, HH models i suppose.
they're not tho
open pumice
so far about 4 tanks + one more to come, and 3 tac marine armor marks have rolled over
arctic talon
tbf the armor is entierly cosmetic
open pumice
the game still lacks things like plastic assault marine upgrade kits
arctic talon
yep
open pumice
tbf the armor is entierly cosmetic
Yes, that only makes my point better lmao
arctic talon
no plastic assault marines are weird
as are no plastic bikes
like ???
have you seen the price on jet bikes
open pumice
scimitars are coming soon ™️
hushed kayak
I mean you can use them for on 40k game, but some of the weapons there aren’t in the rule book which is a pain
hushed kayak
*they're making a cerberus*
they are?
arctic talon
the funny
open pumice
it's a tank that they revealed at LVO that I am still mad about
it will litteraly never see play
arctic talon
I have no clue why they chose the cerberus in plastic
open pumice
0 sales
arctic talon
I know some people are gona buy 1
as a display piece
but that thing is never seeing a table lol
open pumice
well yeah i'm being fescicious
copper patrol
shear comedic value
arctic talon
True
open pumice
tanks aren't good enough to bring a tank destroyer
arctic talon
tanks aren't good enough to bring a tank destroyer
do you not like contemptor spam 
open pumice
especially one like the cerberus
and it's not like contemptors can even be felled by anti tank fire
you know what would fix dreadnaughts entirely
if armorbane and lance had the isntant death effect on dreadnaughts
open pumice
a dreandaught should not be able to jsut walk off 5 melta shots
arctic talon
yeah
open pumice
IDK, I went into 30k knowing upfront that it was going to be a narrative game
and I play it as a change fo pace form 40k
which I play competitively
arctic talon
True
open pumice
but I wish they had atleast made it balanced
yeah a t7 model with w6 in a game where all weapons deal 1 damage is rough
brutal was designed to help counter dreads
but then they fucked up
and only put it on dreads
and a few legion specific weapons
your legion deosn't have any brutal weapons? get fucked
serene mist
What happened with 7e Skitarii?
crisp heath
If the emperor didn’t wanna be seen as a god then why did he make a massive fuck off angel?
serene mist
I honestly think that was a whoopsy
crisp heath
You don’t just accidentally create a human genociding angel
crisp heath
Fair point
arctic talon
What happened with 7e Skitarii?
The book fundamentally didn’t work
You had no HQ unit
So you got gimped out of pretty much everything
signal bramble
Dark times.
arctic talon
No warlord traits
No access to a huge chunk of relics
GW released Adeptus Mechanicus War Convocation as a “solution”
And by solution I mean it made both cult mechanicus and skitarii absurdly overpowered
Free plasma, no overheating
Free everything
Except for the unit costs
Only downside is you had to take one of every unit in both codexes
arctic talon
Also no limits
On how many plasma guns per squad
So you’d run a min sized unit of everything
And shove as much plasma as possible into everything
serene mist
Gg gg
arctic talon
And people complain about GW now
They wouldn’t survive GW when they were even shittier
Thank god GW has gotten their shit together
In recent years
serene mist
Yeah like
Wow
That is just horrible
arctic talon
That wasn’t the only
serene mist
It's sad that GW is still shit
arctic talon
God forsaken part of 7e
serene mist
And yet they're "better" now
serene mist
Yes
arctic talon
You run just enough Tau Units to allow
Access to those abilities
And the rest of the army are made up of eldar aspect warrioes
serene mist
You could do that?
serene mist
Fukkkin...how
What
arctic talon
Don’t ask
Also Eldar Marines were pretty awful as well
Same with Tauguard
And CSM Guard
serene mist
I don't like these terms
arctic talon
You used to glue a lot of factions together
serene mist
What was the point of army lists then
arctic talon
Instead of cultists
arctic talon
Tbh
This was an attempt for them to bring back
The loved parts
Of 3e
That being the ally system
serene mist
What were those parts
arctic talon
You could mix almost any 2 factions together
Also 7e was GW’s lowest point
Profit wise
Warhammer fantasy wasn’t getting new players
Due to the cost of entry
And 7e was horrifically unbalanced
6e was also very unbalanced
But not as bad
But 7e was the most idiotic edition of 40k known to man
Second only to 5e potentially
open pumice
But 7e was the most idiotic edition of 40k known to man
7e was bad, but it didn't justify the amount of feature culling that went into 8e
arctic talon
HH2.0 is what 7e could have been
open pumice
yeah
open pumice
7e to 8e was a change in direction for 40k
open pumice
8e and onwards is focused on competitive gaming and balance over narrative feel and simulation
open pumice
Which is why HH has had such a draw to me as a competitive player, I like the innate separation between the competitively designed 40k and the narratively designed 30k
I just wish 30k wasn't such a damn mess
open pumice
If I could have 2 dif versions of 40k
Agree
Yeah
if we could get like
7th eddition 2.0
that would include 40ks factions, but not be so competitively geared
and maybe actually playtested
it would be nice
honest cedar
I don't know if this is the relevant place to post it but here's a petition to add skaven to 40k as a playable faction
https://chng.it/DhHTTbQVJq
do it for the space rats.
open pumice
no.
honest cedar
what about the good rats?
open pumice
what about the good rats?
there is no such thing as a good rat
You have bad rats
and dead rats
honest cedar
kinda wish I had a skaven react folder now
but I can't help but feel like you're missing the fun of rat-bois waging war in space
open pumice
but I can't help but feel like you're missing the fun of rat-bois waging war in ...
we already have those, it's called the imperium of man
honest cedar
there's hobbits in space, dwarves in space, those green skinned gentlemen who keep killing eachother in space
the imperium is man is only figuratively a pack of rats, a literal pack of rats in space scratches an itch that no other entity can scratch
also they talk funny
which is great
open pumice
i swear to god
if the fucking skaven get 40k minis before exodites
i'm going to commit a warcrime
honest cedar
I think that's kind of rushing to conclusions m'dude, I'm just saying skaven deserve a place in what I can only imagine is a really long queue for models to be made
maybe by 63rd edition we'll see some rat frens
also if you hate rats wouldn't that mean you'd be happy for a chance to defeat some?
where's your purgatorial spirit m8?
open pumice
I can already do that
when old world comes out
and I can killthem good and proper
with shot and steel, like a proper reiklander
honest cedar
commendable to be sure
But to summarize I would like to see rats in space, and if anyone else would it would be great if they could sign the petition. 👍
I'm going to bed, praise the emperor etc.
arctic talon
if the fucking skaven get 40k minis before exodites
If skaven get a mini for 40k while ranges still have finecast minis I think I will commit a hate crime on skaven in AoS
open pumice
yes
this we can agree on
I also just
don't feel like we need yet another minor xenos faction to get half fleshed out then forgotten about
cough Kroot
crimson kayak
That looked like Balthasar for a second
crimson kayak
*cough* Kroot
Tbf you can't really do much about the kroots
celest dome
That looked like Balthasar for a second
Gold mask
storm jungle
Tbf you can't really do much about the kroots
You can tbh.
Their entire race is literally shapeable into anything they eat/consume
they also literally use their own kinsmen as dinosaurs and dogs so 
crimson kayak
Yeah but they don't eat randomly, shapers are there for a reason
Or else they become like their Dino doggo brothers
hexed creek
Sometimes I think about being the agreement papers of Roboute Guilliman
(the joke is kissing, since Roboute Guilliman can't take off his armor and seals contracts and other paper work with his lips)
barren tapir
He can
hexed creek
I mean yeah he can, rephrasing it as it takes way too long to take it off so they dont take it off to save time when he signs the papers
celest dome
Why doesn't he sign with a pen ? Like a heavy duty pen that let him use it while wearing Power Armour
hexed creek
Weird that they never figured that out, like, it wouldn't take that much to give him a special pen for his armor hand
I wonder who had the idea that "oh Guilliman start kissing to save time"
and how do they know its his lips anyways
who is this connoisseur of lips in 40k
rose thorn
I wonder who had the *idea* that "oh Guilliman start kissing to save time"
Ou no guilliman I’m dying, please the only way to save me is to deeply make out with me oH NoOoo
hexed creek
crimson kayak
who is this connoisseur of lips in 40k
Less weird job in 40k confirmed
tulip sand
Is there any like good place to find 40k fanfics that arent just smut and such
storm jungle
Is there any like good place to find 40k fanfics that arent just smut and such
Jokes aside, no
I'd suggest AO3 though instead of fanfic.net
there at least you can see more quality control and tags for what the story contains
even if its still mostly cringe
storm jungle
tulip sand
Interesting
storm jungle
And its 40k section https://archiveofourown.org/tags/Warhammer 40*d*000/works
just be aware though
40k is REALLY not that popular in the fanfic department
tulip sand
Damn these crossovers go hard
What are hits and kudos and stuff
Is it like views and likes
arctic talon
jfc
celest dome
Don't read anything from Archon Of Flesh
arctic talon
thats a big list
echo vault
Do the dregs and scabs just bite off their lips or does it rot off
dusk patrol
https://tenor.com/view/avengers-endgame-hulk-bruce-banner-i-see-this-as-an-absolute-win-gif-17006739
Especially cause most FF just ends up being 2-bit smut lets be real.
Or worse, written like it is, but there's not even any smut.
storm jungle
Yeah rarely good written 40k fics in AO3 are rare
storm jungle
Do the dregs and scabs just bite off their lips or does it rot off
Its one of the fastests parts of the human body that rots easily
well "easily," more just fast
echo vault
Its one of the fastests parts of the human body that rots easily
Makes sense it's just a semi thin flap of skin
brisk beacon
Does any1 have any recommendations on where to start reading the books
Nothing is in order
serene mist
Which faction interests you
timid ferry
https://tenor.com/view/monkey-wtf-monkey-gasp-monkey-gif-22578374
My thoughts when seeing that category. Sadly, most 40k crossovers are terrible
Usually it’s just 40k stomp wank. Bonus points if the author included a rant about calcs in the notes
As if that means anything when 40k’s numbers are all over the place
dry epoch
Does any1 have any recommendations on where to start reading the books
A list I put together based on suggestions from folks here:
https://pyroriffic.wordpress.com/warhammer-40k-reading-starter-list/
