#40k-lore-chat

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echo vault
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The clonegrim is just some myth from the scouring nobody believes like bigfoot

arctic talon
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He has extra custodes lol

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All the things he chucked out on Cadia where from his long term storage

crisp heath
arctic talon
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Giving up a custodes isn’t that big to him

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Tbh

crisp heath
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Fair

celest dome
arctic talon
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Yeah

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Custodes are a replenishable thing

crimson kayak
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I mean, wolfer got a custom helmet, he must reappear

mystic geyser
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You'd hope.

celest dome
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I think that if we get named (Not random named knew it will either be for events or some type of radio antagonist

crimson kayak
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Doesn't he have a skullmask helmet in the intro cutscene?

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Yes he does, skullmask with metal mohawk

mystic geyser
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Yeah, classic renegade enforcer helm

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(Though I'll be using a gellerpox infected helm, more or less the same..)

echo vault
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What do you think is the difference between stub guns and autoguns? At least what you imagine it is at least

north lotus
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Here’s kinda what I can describe it as is this.

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The left is a .450 bushmaster

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The right is a .223 Remington

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This doesn’t mean a autogun can’t use big rounds, it’s just stubbers tend to be using large rounds

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This could technically be a stub rifle.

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But so could this

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honest trellis
echo vault
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Thank u

honest trellis
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Stubbers can also be lower quality

echo vault
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I usually assume stubber as lower quality like ork weapons or stuff lower than what the dregs use

honest trellis
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nah like stubbers aren't THAT shit

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gangs aren't stupid

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at worst they're like IRL improvised firearms

north lotus
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Technologically stubbers are comparable to 1860-1980’s era firearms

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Citation

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It just tends towards pre 1950’s tech

arctic talon
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both of which are used by the admech

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also the Galvanic rifle is a "stub" weapon

north lotus
arctic talon
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Still counts

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As a stub weapon

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lol

versed ledge
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Still doesn't explain why we can't carry a stubber as a secondary or tertiary weapon. Ammo is damn scarce

signal bramble
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I kind of wish we could have a sidearm slot for a third weapon.

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Might be tough to balance though.

north lotus
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Switching to a sidearm kinda makes forcing melee combat harder… unless if that sidearm was a 40mm grenade launcher

crisp heath
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What was that saying?

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There’s nothing stronger than love

Except an m32 rotary grenade launcher

crimson kayak
crimson kayak
celest dome
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Keep the current 1 hand weapon as is but give us additional weapon too (Though not against a rework on some of them):
(Melee) Sword and Pistol, Sword and Laspistol
(Ranged) Pistol and Power Fist; Bolt Pistol and Power Fist

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But change the Revolver's special attack or give us a few other pattern:
Quickdraw: Stay as is
Heavy: Special attack take out a round and load in a Dum Dum Round, if an empty chamber is available load the round in it (Faster), work like a heavy plated round
Twin: 2 Revolver, shoot in alternating pattern, take longer to reload and ADS become braced, special attack to shoot both at the same time

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Plus the Revolver and Power fist

orchid thicket
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There are female traitor captains? Haven't played since December

mystic geyser
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@orchid thicket not in the game, but voice recorded.

orchid thicket
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Oh I see

celest dome
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And in the Datamine too

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Not sure if all the Scab Captain personalities are already in use (Some might be kept for the Dreg lord)

barren tapir
celest dome
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Totally differ from world to world and writer to writer
So the only difference is in story rather than in broad 40k

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To note that there is a Stub-rifle in the datamine too

crimson kayak
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eh, i just use the "auto is caseless, stubs are cased" division and im good personally, as i always say having 10 thousand pattern makes any discussion moot when one variant could very well be a death laser powered by bullets.

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also most not heavy/mechanicum stubs are semi automatic only

barren tapir
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Autogun have been shown to use cased ammo too

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And stub automatic exist

crimson kayak
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stub automatic is not full auto, it just has an higher rate of fire, "rapid semi-automatic mode" is called in both dark heresy and rogue trader books.

barren tapir
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If you look at its description it mention either semi.automatic or single shot, it doesn't take a genius to understand that the semi-auto mode is intended as either burst or full auto... The fact GW didn't knew, and still doesn't, jackshit about gun operation doesn't change the fact that they state it has two fire mode, one that is single shot (which would be actually semi-auto) and another one (which is clearly either burst or full auto)

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While autopistols are smg

crimson kayak
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tbf the stub automatic image doesn't even have a good place for a magazine

barren tapir
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It is just GW going with what they thought sounded cool, but for how they portray them there are no doubts, both stub guns and auto weapons are the same, just with different name

barren tapir
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Especially if you consider the caliber used and the amount of ammo that each weapon should have in the magazine

crimson kayak
barren tapir
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And it is also what happen when people who know nothing about guns try to depict them

crimson kayak
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wich is funny because the other guns are kinda fine in those books

barren tapir
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Even when they try to copy real life stuff they fail

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This is clearly based on the colt 1911, but they forgot a little detail that make this weapon impossible to use unless they use caseless ammo, and even then there would be a problem in case of misfire

crimson kayak
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also the stub automatic has a magazine of... 9 bullets

barren tapir
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Not disagreeing on that, it is goofy indeed, but what i'm trying to convene is that GW is shit at gun design, and because of that they used various different terms to indicate the exact same thing... We have descriptions of auto weapons being only automatic, but semi auto auto weapon exist, and the macrocannon would shoot only in single shot even though it is classified as auto weapon...
Ok, then auto weapon are caseless, but even that is clearly not, since we have seen lots of autogun with cased ammo..
And what about autopistols that are just SMG?

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Also ironically speaking autoguns that we know the caliber use full power rifle ammo...

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Which is even bigger than the 7,62 nato that most of real life battle rifles use currently

crimson kayak
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i mean, except the escher drum fed one most autopistols look more like well, pistols

barren tapir
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The descriptions of stub weapons, and in particular of the stub rifle, are something of the most generic crap you could find btw

crimson kayak
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or uzi's/mac-10's to be precise

barren tapir
crimson kayak
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eh, ill just go the ttrpg route and say "stubs are mostly pistols and single shot rifles with exceptions", "autoguns are assault rifles and similar", "autopistol are all kind of automatic small weapon"

barren tapir
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Fair, but a correction, autogun are stated to be battle rifles, assault rifles fall within stub guns for some reason

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But who care, all are slug-throwers after all

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And it is also a better word to refer to them imo

crimson kayak
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eh, i say ar just because of the common high rate of fire within autoguns

reef kite
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So, is the Psykhanium from Darktide based anywhere in actual warhammer lore? Does something like that exist? Or is it just what they made to have an actual tutorial

celest dome
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It's not that weird, like it's just Telepathy Discipline Psyker

barren tapir
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Blank class when? So i can skip the tutorial and then complain about not being clearly shown how to do stuff? (Not that there is really need for a tutorial imo)

reef kite
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Oh yeah if we do get like a blank subclass they’d straight up just

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Not yet a tutorial

mystic geyser
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@reef kite nothing really comparable in existing lore afaik.
Loading people with MIUs into nutrient tanks is fairly common. Sharing mindscapes I'm sure has come up before a few times. Using a telepath combined with sensory deprivation booths combined with mysterious science doesn't break any lore, and is quite a cool idea.

spark relic
signal bramble
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I like the tutorial because it gives me a quick idea if I like the voice pack or not.

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Hearing the Ogryn bully voice pack just grunt in response and not giving af made me realize I made the correct choice.

mystic geyser
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Little detail I just noticed. The dreg ragers improvised weapon is made from an adjustable spanner

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open pumice
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Glad to see wrenches made it to the 42nd millenium

open pumice
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It would genuinely surprise me if a single games workshop writer had even held a firearm, let alone understands how they work on a mechanical level

celest dome
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shooting clubs exist in Europe

open pumice
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Not wrong, but theyre also not super common hobbies

celest dome
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I got to shoot a Nagant once

open pumice
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The end point is, much like holywood here in the us, i doubt many people who make the crative/design decisions for 40k know shit about guns

celest dome
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The 1st time I shot a gun was with a friend who'se family hunted, was Browning or something
Then the Nagant pistol

open pumice
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Indeed

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Guns are cool, people who do dumb shit with them are the problem, and then they ruin it for everybody else

arctic talon
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in the past lol

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the goal is to make things look cool

open pumice
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This comes as no surprise

arctic talon
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It was even more aparant

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in the old minis

open pumice
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Oh yeah

arctic talon
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As long as it vaugely looks like a gun

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and it looks cool

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it'll prolly get approved

open pumice
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I mean we dont play this hobby for realism

arctic talon
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also sculpting issues and crap as well back then limited them even more

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leading to uh

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This lul

open pumice
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Truly based weapon design

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Theyre guns have gottem better over the years

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But like

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Post Rubicon asreael

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Lemme get an image

arctic talon
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tbh his original gun was even worse

crisp heath
open pumice
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But i was using this a modern model example of uhh

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Wepon design

arctic talon
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lol fair

open pumice
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I love the jawa

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Best part of the model

barren tapir
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Yeah, old lion'r roar was an abomination that haunts the mind of all... And it didn't even looked cool, just two guns mashed together

open pumice
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Yeah

echo vault
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This style of missile launcher is cool af

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north lotus
echo vault
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Brapblast

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Also when things from the heresy have literally zero lore outside of the heresy (characters, specific ships) I like to have weird headcanons and stories I can come up with that make sense

night marsh
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Speaking of heresy era, I was wondering why Chaos navy ships look totally different from Imperial Navy ships

copper patrol
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chaos fuckery

night marsh
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Like Chaos marines look at least similar but the ships are not even close

arctic talon
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Imperium also use those ships

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It’s just that a lot of them went traitor

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So they have a terrible reputation

night marsh
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So if there was like a 30k BFG game the Imperial side would have some of those flat dagger shaped ones but in regular colours and maybe less tentacles

arctic talon
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Yep

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Also those flat designs are still used

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In 40k by imperial fleets

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They’re just less common because they aren’t actively made

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And they don’t fit modern imperial navy tactics

night marsh
lyric ember
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Would it make sense for the Knights of Gryphonne to be of Iron Warriors descent? And what would happen to a loyalist chapter of traitor lineage?

arctic talon
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So idk

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Regarding loyalist chapter of traitor lineage they’d get purged

celest dome
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It's possible, there are SM Chapters that we (Outside of the game) know are from traitor Genestock, so nothing really stop it from being possible

arctic talon
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^its secret 99% of the time

celest dome
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Like Cawl using the stocked ones for shenanigan

echo vault
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Is there an ultramarines successor chapter based on the nemesis chapter? (Destroyer squads)

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arctic talon
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Silver skulls are most certainly iron warriors

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Considering the ultramarines absorbed a bunch of loyalist ones

storm jungle
# echo vault Is there an ultramarines successor chapter based on the nemesis chapter? (Destro...

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Nemesis

Warhammer 40k Wiki
Nemesis

The Nemesis Chapter is a Loyalist Codex Astartes-compliant Space Marine Chapter. The Nemesis Chapter is a Second Founding Successor Chapter of the Ultramarines Legion. It descended from those Ultramarines companies of the 22nd Chapter who fought alongside the then-Loyalist Night Lords Legion during a brutal purgation campaign of the Great Crusad...

arctic talon
celest dome
arctic talon
echo vault
arctic talon
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If you want original and creative names

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This is not the setting

celest dome
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They are Ultramarine, you don't go to them for original names

shadow plover
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many of the original special companies from the heresy era just used their company name as the new successor chapter name

arctic talon
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Yeah

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They’re totally not iron warriors

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Trust them

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And also the other ultramarine second founding chapters saying they’re ultramarines

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They’re absolutely ultramarines ignore the symbol

lyric ember
# arctic talon They have like 0 lore

Yeah sorry, forgot to add on the events of the first battle of paramar. Loyalist iron warriors fought alongside the War Griffons titan legion, once they lost everyone dipped and said group of iron warriors has no further lore to my knowledge. War griffons are the titan legion of Gryphonne IV, hence the knights of gryphonne seem like they may be connected in some way

arctic talon
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Oh

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Yeah that’s a lot of evidence lol

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Odds are prolly

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But there might not be much iron warrior geneseed left

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Mostly due to the mechanicus most likely proving whatever geneseed they think is correct

celest dome
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If I was in the Admech I'd arange to send Traitor Geneseed to the loyalist Chapter, like Thousand Sons to the Space Wolves and such

arctic talon
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Thousand sons gene seed straight up doesn’t work properly

lyric ember
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Also, if you mix geneseed things go poorly

arctic talon
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Tbh

lyric ember
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And it would be pretty obvious who is and isnt part of the space wolves

arctic talon
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^

celest dome
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Meh, see if I care, I'm as petty as the other Monitorum officers

lyric ember
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Ok

arctic talon
celest dome
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Or get killed with your collegues

lyric ember
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Knock knock it's the Adeptus Arbites

arctic talon
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Nah

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Arbites wouldn’t get involved

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It would prolly just be other tech priests lol

celest dome
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Or a Space Marine Pipe Bomb sent through the mail to my Hab

serene mist
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Knock knock it's the Ordo Astartes

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Here because you're fukkin their purview up

coarse mirage
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Playing with the railgun tank in BF 2042 really gives me a feel for how the Tau deal with enemies

rose thorn
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Who’s y’all’s favorite ‘evil’ space marine chapter

Like iron hands or greater

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Not counting chaos because chaos is the most chaos chaos of all chaos

copper patrol
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black templars

celest dome
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Flesh Eater

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Or Malevolent

rose thorn
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I heard flesh eaters are cool but I never learned anything about them

copper patrol
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their name is pretty on the nose

rose thorn
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Lol

celest dome
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I do want to see a Malevolent PoV book where it's an ancient Dread that introduce a Scout Marine in why they are all assholes and then the Scout become a proper assholes while the Dread melow out and become better for civilians (Before they kill each others)

rose thorn
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I don’t like saying ‘evil’ but I feel like in 40ks you gotta clarify between ‘evil’ and ‘murder Funtime Funtime fest’

rose thorn
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That would be fun but also probably get boring after the first 5 chapters

copper patrol
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tbf, I have heard a lot of space marine books are kinda like that

fallen summit
arctic talon
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I am aware

fallen summit
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I forget his name, but his helmet was the inspiration for their heraldry

arctic talon
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I am making a dumb joke

copper patrol
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the mega chad guy?

rose thorn
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‘We were mad, so we killed all of them’ flip ‘advertisement’ flip ‘oh chaos, murder’

celest dome
fallen summit
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The only iron warriors descendants using traitor geneseed would be the Minotaurs

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But the Iron Skulls likely just use Fist or Ultramarine geneseed

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Probably Fists

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Because of their tendency for mysticism

copper patrol
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this guy

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celest dome
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When you say Fist, you mean Iron or Imperial ?

fallen summit
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Imperial

copper patrol
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Barbas dantioch

rose thorn
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So the geneseed actually effects your personality?

fallen summit
fallen summit
rose thorn
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That’s

Weird

fallen summit
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It's a mix of genetic memory passed down from marine to marine and also chapter culture

copper patrol
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that + a lot of chapters use psycho indoctrination

rose thorn
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Ah

fallen summit
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All

copper patrol
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most

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I don't think like

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the space wolves do

fallen summit
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That's the most important part of marine training

rose thorn
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Gonna be honest, I use to fucking hate space wolves

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But my hate for how stupid it is, is kinda flipping on it self

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It’s so dumb it’s kinda amazing????

copper patrol
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I like the viking side of them

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they have toned down the whole

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wolf your wolf thing

fallen summit
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30k wolves are a lot more interesting

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Bjorn is the best example of this

rose thorn
copper patrol
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they are still pretty interesting

fallen summit
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That's just HH trying to sell models

copper patrol
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they sorta went from "brutal savages"

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to "noble protectors"

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which is cool

rose thorn
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‘They drink this magic cup that makes you Into a fuckinh werewolf’

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‘And then you become a wolf’

copper patrol
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also their booze shuts off their liver

fallen summit
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There are no wolves on fenris and such

copper patrol
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so they can get drunk

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I also want to sorta defend the whole prospero thing,

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Leman tried to contact Magnus

fallen summit
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It's likely they are the only chapter which is lenient in their recruiting

copper patrol
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magnus didn't pick up

fallen summit
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Magnus shot the ship down

copper patrol
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imagine if

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the lion was sent

fallen summit
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Bloodbath

copper patrol
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he wouldn't even have tried to talk first

fallen summit
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Even worse, actually

copper patrol
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also Horus told leman that emps wanted magnus dead

fallen summit
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Considering half of the chapter was in a civil war and there wasn't a way to know who was who things would've probably gone worse

copper patrol
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he was just gonna arrest him before iirc

fallen summit
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He was

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Leman was less inclined to kill than his sons a lot of the time

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But he also loved his sons a lot more than most of his brothers

signal bramble
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That’s because Russ manipulated their fury and they never realized it.

fallen summit
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So having a team of messengers killed made him fucking enraged

copper patrol
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I like that they managed to get gulliman to get drunk

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then he got a hangover

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I think that's a thing at least

fallen summit
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Moment of weakness

celest dome
signal bramble
# fallen summit I don't equate going "fuck yeah go buck wild they killed your brothers" to excep...

Feasting was a tradition. One more ritual among thousands, one more bar on the cage. To feast was to sit with your brothers on long benches, eating, drinking, singing. And at the high tables, where all could see them, the thegns and jarls would be doing the same. The only ones not singing and drinking were the thralls, forced to navigate a maze of fistfights and hungry wolves, bipedal and otherwise.

Lukas crouched in the high rafters of iron-hard wood above the chamber and watched it all. From above, the feast resembled nothing so much as a mechanism of many parts. He could see the wheels of influence and aggression upon which the whole of the Aett turned. He wasn’t the only one who could see them – even he wasn’t so arrogant to think that. But he fancied that he was the only one who saw them for what they were.

A trap. A trick, played on those long-dead warriors by their Wolf King. Russ had taken a legion of brutal killers and convinced them that they were heroes. He had twisted the ancient superstitions and sagas of Fenris into a cage of words to contain his wild sons. It was a chain of illusion, holding them fast, though they could neither see it nor feel it.

All except Lukas. He rubbed the back of his neck, as if he could feel the collar chafing him.

Josh Reynolds, Lukas the Trickster

fallen summit
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No clue, not a fantasy guy

signal bramble
fallen summit
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I wasn't replying to you

copper patrol
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ngl, I am biased, but i'd like to see Russ come back as like crazy space odin

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war of vengance is the war of the beard right?

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if so

signal bramble
copper patrol
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then no

fallen summit
copper patrol
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war of the beard was purely becuase of what happened to the messenger

fallen summit
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It's hard to read as much else considering this happens with literally every other chapter too in one way or another

signal bramble
fallen summit
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I read it

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I know what it says

celest dome
fallen summit
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This is also coming from Lukas the fucking trickster, so

signal bramble
copper patrol
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fuckin dark elves man

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lemee find malekiths speech to the dwarves

signal bramble
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The high elves didn’t do it but the dwarves didn’t understand the difference.

storm jungle
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Morathi is the sole reason a lot of stuff went to shit in warhammer fantasy

copper patrol
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this is a long copy paste

storm jungle
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Aenarion should have killed that bitch when he had the chance

signal bramble
storm jungle
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😩

celest dome
copper patrol
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‘Your good health!’ ‘Your halls here are mighty, and full of great wonders. I have marvelled at the skills of your people, and I know in my heart that an alliance with you shall bring much benefit to my people.’

‘You are very fine people, if a little unwashed and short.’

‘It has been mostly my pleasure to meet you all, though I have not a clue what your names are, and all of you look pretty much the same to me.’

‘That your mouths produce as much smoke as your chimneys is surprising, and if I do not choke to death before the evening is out, I shall thank the gods for protecting me. I understand that we have only just met, but I hope that in time you will understand the great privilege I have granted you all by allowing you into my presence. There are people of my own homeland who have never been granted an audience with me, and yet here I am, sinking cupfuls of your foul broth and treating you like equals. I am assured that you are an honourable people, and you best well be.’

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Know this!’ ‘It will go well for you that we should become friends. The Naggarothi do not treat idly with others, even elves of other realms. Should you wrong us, our vengeance will be sure, swift and deadly. We will burn these halls and we will pile your corpses upon pyres so high that they will rival these mountains. We shall be content to let you dwell in these rocky peaks, and we shall take the lowlands and the forests. Should you oppose us, we will have no option but to drive you before us, as we have the orcs and the beasts and the goblins. I look forward to meeting your High King, for he shall hopefully be of an almost equal standing to myself, and of intelligence enough to treat with me. But I warn you, if I am not impressed with him, I may decide simply to slay all of you. In fact, the next one of you that mispronounces my name might just get my blade through his gizzard. While we may deign to learn your crude language, please do not mangle the heritage of my forefathers and the legacy to my descendants with your ugly lips and thick tongues.’

'Long may Nagarythe prevail over you all!’

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he said this to the dwarves

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in elvish

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so they didn't know what he was saying

fallen summit
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Ever

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There's a major disconnect between most first founding chapters and their primarchs considering they're all gone

storm jungle
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Malekith did a little bit of trolling

fallen summit
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The Heresy depicts a lot of marines seeing them as near divine figures which is, described by Kharn, something genetic

signal bramble
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The later books address it as well and echo it. Specifically wolf time. Though to be fair, a lot of authors portray the space wolves as dumbasses most of the time.

fallen summit
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This isn't the case in 40k barring maybe three ff chapters

signal bramble
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Wolftime is egregious about making them look stupid to.

fallen summit
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Maybe not stupid but certainly headstrong

rose thorn
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Back!

fallen summit
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The Blood Angels, Ultramarines, and kind of the Salamanders are the only ff chapters to my knowledge that have that same sense of veneration for their primarch in the current era, at least when compared to their 30k counterparts

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And for the Blood Angels it's literally a spiritual divinity they see him with

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But for others they range from indifference to outright scorn in some cases

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A primarch should be inspiring. Our genetics should react at the mere sight of them. Think of the moments you laid eyes on Horus, Dorn, or Magnus. I’ve seen Sanguinius and Russ with my own eyes, as well. Close enough to touch their armour. Think of when you stand before Lorgar: the awe and reverence that beats through your blood. The feeling of our genetic coding reacting to the pinnacle of the human process. I’ve never felt that instinctive respect for Angron, Khârn. Not once. He is a broken thing. Devastating, unrivalled in war, but broken.

Khârn didn’t answer because there was nothing to say. He boarded his drop pod, ascending the ramp and waiting for a robed Legion slave to secure his restraint harness.

You feel it,+ Argel Tal said. +You feel it, too.

In psychic silence, Khârn confessed something he’d never said outside his Legion. "Yes, we feel the same. The World Eaters, each and every one of us, knows what you know

Argel Tal’s voice was laced with cold, seething anger. Why do you tolerate it?

"What can we do? Murder our own father? Did you destroy Lorgar when he led you into worshipping the Emperor? Or did you tolerate him in patience, hoping that eventually he’d find his way to equalling his brothers?"
A pause. A long, long pause. Khârn took it as Argel Tal’s capitulation and pushed on. "It’s our shame to bear before the other Legions, brother. Angron was broken long before he ever reached us. Why do you think we let him beat the Nails into our heads? We hoped that by breaking ourselves on the same anvil, we’d finally feel unity with our father.
There was nothing of mockery in the Word Bearer’s reply. Only sympathy. Khârn’s skin crawled. He’d have preferred mockery.
It didn’t work?
The drop pod’s sides closed in, armour plating locking to block all view of the hangar beyond. Khârn’s last sight was of Argel Tal ascending the gang-ramp into a red XVII Legion gunship. ‘No,’ he muttered, as much to himself as to the distant Word Bearer. ‘It didn’t.’

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Fucked with formatting for space

#

As time passes the marines view their fathers like this less and less

#

And ten thousand years later it's not a stretch of the imagination to assume some level of spite would be formed for the equivalent of an absent father

#

Especially one who left with some of the chapter's best warriors chasing a fucking fairytale

#

Out of all of the disappeared primarchs, Russ is the one you could make the best argument for just wanting out

#

Next to the Khan

serene mist
#

Cough 2nd and 11th Cough cough

#

Maybe

fallen summit
#

They're literally nothing

#

It's been stated multiple times that the 2nd and 11th are just supposed to be inserts for yourguys

#

One for chaos one for the Imperium

serene mist
#

Well, yeah

fallen summit
#

Their introduction into the heresy story was one of the worst handled things in the series

#

Which says something

serene mist
#

Honestly impressive how much BL books have gone out of their way to portray absolutely nothing for them
Not even a peep
Like an Ultramarine Successor being very distinctly, definitely not Ultramarine

#

Hell, their geneseed is probably somewhere out there

coarse mirage
serene mist
#

I've only heard it third party

#

Never actually where it was stated

fallen summit
#

What else would they be, especially during the rogue trader days

coarse mirage
#

What about those Astartes with horns and claws? Or was that a Raven Guard successor?

fallen summit
#

Cursed founding

#

Fucked with salamanders geneseed

coarse mirage
#

I like 'em

#

They're neat

fallen summit
#

The entire cursed founding is interesting

serene mist
#

Black Dragons, yeah

coarse mirage
#

That's the name

fallen summit
#

BL writers were summarily told to cut it out

serene mist
#

Really

#

Fuck

fallen summit
#

And then they did

serene mist
#

That's unfortunate

#

Because no one uses em for that purpose

coarse mirage
#

I also remember Cawl being able to do Primaris with the traitor legions but was told not to. But who knows if he actually listened.

fallen summit
#

He didn't

#

Sons of the Phoenix

serene mist
#

So here's an idea

signal bramble
#

Cawl does what he wants.

serene mist
#

To backtrack

signal bramble
#

That’s a fact.

coarse mirage
#

He's a lovable rascal

serene mist
#

What archetypes for Primarchs are we missing? What roles could the 2nd and 11th have fulfilled?

#

What was missing?

fallen summit
#

No one knows

coarse mirage
#

A female pogryn

signal bramble
fallen summit
#

Four out of the 20 primarchs are complete guesses for their purpose in the Emperor's plan

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Angron
2
11
Alpharius

#

The closest idea we have for Angron is an empath who would have dealt with family issues

serene mist
#

Alpharius was a CIA plan all along I think

signal bramble
#

Angron is alleged to be an empath. As for Alpharius it depends on if you believe his primarch book or not.

coarse mirage
#

Alpharius seems obvious with duplicity and manipulation

signal bramble
#

In his book, his purpose is to be the emperor’s unseen shadow primarch.

serene mist
#

Sorry, FBI
He's being internal to the Legions and Imperium

fallen summit
#

I don't trust Alpharius whatsoever

#

Where's the bit

#

Something something I don't trust anyone who tells the truth

signal bramble
#

If I had to guess, Alpharius was to be the primarch that watched the other primarchs.

coarse mirage
#

All memes aside, Alpharius could've been the most interesting

#

Myeah, intelligence gatherer, fly on the wall.

#

I like the Astartes that aren't thuggish and brutish

signal bramble
#

As for archetypes the only ones I can think of that we’re missing is a dedicated healer and a fighter pilot.

#

Im not saying that’s what they are. That’s just what I thought of off the top of my head.

fallen summit
#

Some type of archivist

#

Maybe that's why the remembrancers were made, as a substitute

coarse mirage
#

That's something that Guilliman sorta does

#

Now, anyway.

signal bramble
#

Gman is the ultimate administrator and logistics guy.

fallen summit
#

Guilliman is more of an emperor than an archivist

#

The Unremembered Empire shows exactly what Guilliman's purpose was

signal bramble
#

I was thinking they were all meant to be generals but idk, that kind of changed. So something non-combat works.

coarse mirage
#

Sanguinius was the mascot

signal bramble
#

Magnus was meant to be the power source of the golden throne and his legion to protect it and be fuel.

#

That’s what I believe.

#

Kurze? Well I know he went batshit insane (emphasis on bat ayyyyy) but I think he was intended to be a magistrate or a judge of some kind.

fallen summit
#

I SEE YOU AS A TOOL
I AM A LOVING FATHER

YOU CAN TRUST ME
I WILL DISPOSE OF YOU WHEN THE TIME COMES

crimson kayak
signal bramble
fallen summit
#

The fact that the Emperor was 100% going to genocide the navigators was funny

coarse mirage
#

I like the bit when Guillman goes to the Emperor after he comes back to Terra and comes not feeling great about it

crimson kayak
coarse mirage
#

Of course, the Emperor sees a grand plan, a course to follow. Everyone's a stepping stone to the goal.

#

Custodes seem like they would've done a better job of what the Primarchs did.

fallen summit
#

Valdor wanted that

barren tapir
#

SM were a mistake

coarse mirage
#

Only because of Chaos meddling

#

But their lot was always to be replaced, eventually.

#

They were just a first itteration of an idea

barren tapir
#

Nah, even without chaos meddling they were a mistake, they were meant as biological weapons to be disposed off when the galaxy was conquered

coarse mirage
#

Which would've worked if the babbymarchs weren't abducted

fallen summit
#

Marines under a primarch are the ideal

#

Blood Angels were savage murderers before Sanguinius

coarse mirage
#

Imagine not simply eating everyone.

fallen summit
#

Good direction skills from a reasonable authority figure was what the primarchs were intended to do

#

And in the cases where it worked it worked really fucking well

#

Even though Sanguinius is dead his influence on the Angels is still seen today, there's a reason they're the way they are

#

Same with the Ultramarines and Salamanders

coarse mirage
#

Obedient and controlled

fallen summit
#

See it's funny because that style of guidance produced the worst chapters

#

The Blood Angels, Ultramarines, and Salamanders all have comparatively excellent morals

#

The Iron Warriors all became fucking sadists with Perterabo's 'guidance' with few exceptions

#

All of the traitor marines turned for a reason, they were all under the guidance of fucked up primarchs

#

Excluding the Sons of Horus, that's just a weakspot in the storytelling and always has been

celest dome
#

Like Perti is quite clearly a very bad person, not in the evil/good sense but on a personal matter

fallen summit
#

How he was raised

#

And how he was treated by the Emperor

serene mist
#

What would a Loyalist Iron Warriors Chapter look like

#

...please more than just
"Minotaurs"

signal bramble
#

They should add a lightsaber to the game.

#

Also yes they exist in canon.

celest dome
#

Solex Pattern Power Swords ?

signal bramble
#

“My left arm was numb and useless. I threw myself to my feet, pulling my sword from my webbing. The device is a fine weapon, of the old kind. It has no material blade like other, cruder models I have seen. It is a hilt, twenty centimetres long, inlaid and wound with silver thread, enclosing a fusion cell that generates a metre-long blade of coherent light.”

From Xenos (Eisenhorn trilogy).

#

Literally a lightsaber.

celest dome
#

Sollex-Aegis Energy Blade

#

Found the name back

mystic geyser
#

Yeah, they definitely moved away from that, after Abnett got the one mention in

serene mist
#

The Eisenhorn stuff seems...strange

fallen summit
#

That's just the answer

serene mist
#

Fuck

#

I know you're right but just
Ack

#

So what overall would differentiate them from other Chapters

  • Absolute ruthlessness
  • Rude to other Chapter bois
  • The Chapter engages together
signal bramble
#

More social to each other iron hands?

serene mist
#

In separation from the traits that are made by them being y'know
High Lords Goon Squad

timid ferry
arctic talon
#

People make a lot of jokes about the minotaurs

#

But they’re so effective because they literally over analyze every battle to death

#

Moloch straight up counts how many people die and are wounded per battle

serene mist
#

Wait wait wait
Performing a BDA is...is...not common?

#

I mean I get it for scenarios where it's literally not practicable
Such as, say, when you need to move on immediately

arctic talon
copper patrol
#

it's 40k

#

people don't do things that make sense

arctic talon
#

Because the minotaurs straight up look at how bullets have penetrated armor

#

On everything

#

It’s fucking absurd

#

They look so closely at everything it’s insane

#

How much blood did someone they killed lose

#

How many bones broke

#

How long did someone stay alive after getting chopped in half

#

How many shots from a bolter did it take to get a kill

#

They never approximate

serene mist
#

This...honestly sounds like the Death Guard

#

Their counters

#

Except without the repetition of 7

arctic talon
#

Yeah

copper patrol
#

that's less for actual analysis tho

arctic talon
#

^

serene mist
#

Oh yeah no I get that

copper patrol
#

well, some times it is

arctic talon
#

The meticulousness

#

Is similar

#

Tbf

copper patrol
#

but only for disease

serene mist
#

But the absolute focus on detail, the meticulousness, yeah

arctic talon
#

Like scout Bobius got shot 32 times in the heart before dying

#

But scout joe got shot 31 times and lived

serene mist
#

Then again, if we go "ADHD is Chaos" that's a helluva route to go

arctic talon
#

Tbf

#

I don’t think it’s related to their gene seed

#

I think it’s just the culture they Foster as a chapter

serene mist
#

Fair

arctic talon
#

Which is similar to the culture the iron warriors used to foster as a legion

serene mist
#

Would, or really even Could, any Loyalists from the Traitor Legions, who would go on to develop Chapters do so with a Pre-Primarch culture?

arctic talon
#

And pre primarch marines tended to not go traitor with their primarchs

serene mist
#

The only ones I can consider would be Luna Wolves tbh

#

War Hounds are a hard negative

#

I feel like Alpha Legion "Loyalists", acting as a Loyalist Chapter, wouldn't actually...act as that or really reveal that they were Loyalist

#

...though a Word Bearer would have little trouble blending in with the majority of the Imperium

spring nest
#

are there designated warships (like on sea) in the imperium

#

like official ones made by forge worlds

open pumice
open pumice
storm jungle
barren tapir
storm jungle
#

all Alpha legionaries are traitors

#

most just cant cope with it

simple sparrow
open pumice
arctic talon
#

Alpha legions are of the only legions where 99.9% of them went traitor

serene mist
#

Not in the void

arctic talon
#

There was a huge war on a planet with a massive ocean

#

Between the admech and daemons

spring nest
open pumice
#

just for the most part, humans settle on land, and anything a warship can do for an engagement, a voidship can do just fine

arctic talon
#

But we don’t get any in-depth descriptions

#

Other then they have a lot of guns and are mobile

spring nest
#

so nothing like battleships

#

just patrol boats

arctic talon
#

We don’t know

#

They were originally built as trawlers

serene mist
#

If it's 40k

#

They prob big

#

If they were built as trawlers, they're big

arctic talon
#

Then got rearmed and upgraded to warships

serene mist
#

Because nothing 40K does is really small

arctic talon
#

Along with the water extraction rigs

spring nest
#

I was wondering because some hive worlds have seaports

arctic talon
#

Fathom is a weird planet

#

That never runs out of water

spring nest
#

and that seems weird

arctic talon
#

The admech had never been able

#

To reach the bottom

open pumice
#

this is

#

all we know lmao

serene mist
#

Those things are probably absolutely massive

arctic talon
#

Yeah

spring nest
#

macro is in the name

arctic talon
#

And the fact they can fight off greater daemons for a time

#

Indicates

open pumice
arctic talon
#

Being well armed

#

Considering it wasn’t a easy fight for rotigus

#

And his forces

serene mist
#

They harvest ocean life to get folks in the Imperium fed
That's a big, beeeeeeg amount of folks

#

Ergo, they're big

open pumice
#

ok but

serene mist
#

And since it's 40k, there's some massive ocean life that tries to kill the macro-trawler

open pumice
#

whats the skull count on that STC

serene mist
#

What's the what

#

"Skull count"?

arctic talon
open pumice
#

how many skulls are on the STC

serene mist
#

What does that mean

open pumice
#

what is the number of skulls on the macrotrawler

arctic talon
#

Not high enough

#

Is always the answer

spring nest
#

I was also wondering because it wouldn't make sense for there to be battleships in a sci-fi setting, but this is 40k. Plus Star Wars has combat watercraft

serene mist
#

...

open pumice
spring nest
open pumice
#

it would make perfect sense for a spacefaring nation to have waterborn vessels for oceanic worlds/ underwater needs

#

they probably have to get them specially delivered from the local forge world

spring nest
#

yeah but wont aircraft be better for water engagements

open pumice
#

I

#

what?

#

no?

#

Never in the history of ever?

#

also those aircraft need to land, refuel, rearm

#

pilots need to be exchanged

#

etc

#

all is much easier to do without having to leave a planets gravity well

#

so even if aircraft were the best way to fight naval warfare (which they really aren't) you'd still need larger carrier style vessels

spring nest
#

but aircraft aren't just confined to land

open pumice
#

so?

spring nest
#

plus spaceships could enter atmosphere(?)

open pumice
spring nest
#

ohhhh

open pumice
#

imperial spaceships that enter atmosphere crash

#

and cannot reenter the void

#

best example

#

signus

spring nest
#

that clears things up

signal bramble
#

Orks used submarines to attack during the war for Armageddon.

fallen summit
signal bramble
#

And in one of the Cain short stories and a BA short story the local AM and pdfs had water craft also.

fallen summit
#

A lot of the time you don't need to enter atmosphere with voidcraft

#

The weapons have a range of "enough" and a destructive yield of "excessive"

signal bramble
#

There’s also a knight world that has an entire mobile island that one of the houses uses a base.

#

An ocean world will probably have a large fleet here and there but oceanic fleets are easy pickings for orbital strikes.

fallen summit
#

The sad truth of the matter is underwater combat isn't as flashy as above ground or space combat so it tends to be ignored

signal bramble
#

Oh yeah and in the flesh tearers novel I’m reading right now there’s an agriworld with full on old timey wooden vessels.

fallen summit
#

Agriworlds are commonly technologically behind for economic reasons

spring nest
#

also, why are there still seaports?

#

on hive worlds

fallen summit
#

Economics

signal bramble
#

Indeed. I’m just naming all the instances of boats I can think of.

spring nest
#

the imperium has the technology and money to make big atmoshperic ships

signal bramble
spring nest
#

why boats?

fallen summit
#

Not on the scale the Imperium operates

#

You're thinking too small

spring nest
signal bramble
fallen summit
#

Boats are simple and easy to produce and require minimal training to use

signal bramble
#

Flying is dangerous on a planet with an active war zone in the skies and because of the natural features of the planet with lots of really high trees and vegetation.

spring nest
#

I hope we get to fight in Darktide on some big 40k cargo ship if atoma has a sea

signal bramble
#

I want to fight on a train.

fallen summit
#

Sea is pushing it

spring nest
#

armaggeddon??!!

#

is like 60% ocean

fallen summit
#

Hiveworlds are 100% efficiency, any water outside of a hive is likely to be just enough to fulfil its purpose

signal bramble
#

I also want to fight on a train so I can make puns. “The chaos worshippers are on the locomotive with the loco motives. We have to make sure their plans are derailed.”

spring nest
#

we fight in a train station but not on a train

#

darktide ina nutshell

signal bramble
#

But yeah there are any number of reasons why a planet will use water travel instead of air travel.

spring nest
#

yup

signal bramble
#

Also on a planet like Armageddon, the polluted toxic water is a defensive fortification in its own right.

#

At least until the enemy adapts.

spring nest
#

lol orks

fallen summit
#

Armageddon will be fine in all honesty GW doesn't want to acknowledge orks in lore more than they have to

#

That'd mean acknowledging the beast! Which means acknowledging the war of the beast! Which means acknowledging the krorks! Which means acknowledging the war in heaven!

signal bramble
#

A lot of the new books have been making the gsc as the disposable enemy.

fallen summit
#

They function better as that

#

GSC is at least interesting

#

There are moral implications with them

spring nest
#

what is gsc

fallen summit
#

Genestealer Cults

spring nest
#

oh

#

imposters

#

with extra arms

fallen summit
#

Honestly GW has been knocking it out of the park with new factions here's hoping it continues

signal bramble
#

They also have a wider range of capabilities in shooting and melee since they can use imperium tech.

spring nest
#

mining drills?

#

and dump trucks

fallen summit
#

They're Nod

#

Peace through Firepower and such

signal bramble
#

Brood brothers as well with heavy weapons and tanks.

#

Those show up in the books.

spring nest
#

any chance we will fight in the ash wastes in Darktide? Like chaos wastes in VT2

fallen summit
#

If the game survives sure, who knows

spring nest
#

natural transformation

fallen summit
#

The problems with going deep deep into hivecities is that it's genuinely fucking hell

#

The lower you get the more hostile to life it is

#

The lowest we go into atoma is pleasant compared to a lower underhive

spring nest
#

yup

#

torrent iz nice part

serene mist
#

On Atoma we may still get a chance to fight on a "Sea"

#

It's just that, in reality, it'd be a half-empty waste treatment vat of several trillion-whatever gallons volume

#

With all the debris that comes from people just chucking stuff into the vat / toilet / trash

#

Such that small islands are possible

#

...a respirator would definitely be required

#

Could even be a fairly simple reason for it

#

"We have intelligence that they're planning on causing a detonation from a barge in order to flood lower levels, intercept the barge and kill all before they can be planted"

spring nest
#

that can work

#

i hope it does

barren tapir
serene mist
#

The real issue there is
"How do we make this fun for people who are melee"

barren tapir
#

We throw them offboard?

spring nest
#

close quarters on ship fighting

barren tapir
#

I support that idea, the one to throw them offboard

serene mist
#

Traitor fast boats boarding you

barren tapir
#

Lame, we should be the boarders

serene mist
#

Traitor valks boarding you

spring nest
#

share this with catfish

serene mist
#

Just throwing people onto your barge

barren tapir
#

Ok, this sound bit better

#

But then why aren't we using valks to do the same?

serene mist
#

Some sort of Traitor AA net would be up to prevent you from doing that

spring nest
#

yeah

barren tapir
#

They have AA stuff on their barge??!! Why we ended up having just our guns?

#

Traitors get all the nice stuff, mask, guns... And now even AA

serene mist
#

No no no
Like, there's a AA net outside of the treatment tank

spring nest
#

yup

#

a lot too

serene mist
#

Potentially with our barge having to go through...hmm...
A tunnel, I think

#

Big friggin pipe

barren tapir
#

Vertical insertion from the space

spring nest
#

it's misty outside

serene mist
#

Enclosed treatment vat was my thought tbh

barren tapir
#

Ah, feth it, just give me two ranged weapons and i'm in

serene mist
#

Which means it'd be hell and you all need flashlights

#

kek

#

No lights for u

#

Too spooky

#

Honestly Fatshark should make crafting and the like before they do this

spring nest
#

ye

#

need new blessings

barren tapir
#

Need a rework of all the system imo

#

Blessings could be replaced by a better thought system, or maybe, just maybe, remove the useless and filler one and make every one useful

spring nest
#

fuck rng too

barren tapir
#

Yeah

serene mist
#

Sad thing is

#

A lot of this could be really good

#

Like you could have a really organic game and it'd be great

#

Imagine if, as you're fighting through, you run into a PDF unit that's about to get slaughtered or a PDF unit that's actually pushing down a street with some infantry and a Chimera or something

#

Or even "Explosion in the distance"

barren tapir
#

This would be an amazing random encouter

serene mist
#

For minimum effort, suddenly things are happening

#

Or even

barren tapir
#

Would make the setting feel more alive

serene mist
#

You run into two different groups of Nurgle folks fighting one another

#

You get factionalism with the two

barren tapir
#

Instead we are the only ones around there, and then there are the heretics

serene mist
#

A Crusher fighting a bunch of random cultists, for instance

barren tapir
#

Which somehow they always know where we are, and we cannot even shut down their exits

spring nest
#

Maybe theres like a town square and you have to destroy the chaos leman russes

#

with c4 or some shit

#

darktide had SO much potential

barren tapir
#

Indeed, and that is also what make people angry, it has so much potential, and so much was promised... And when it released the only actually complete and working part was a real money shop

serene mist
#

Like
You know when the Traitor PDF see you and go "Loyalists sighted!" in an actually human voice?

#

They sound like people

#

They sound like more things should happen than just them acting like random monsters

echo vault
#

Bruh why are you guys saying darktide in past tense like it's no longer being updated

spring nest
#

it arguably is

barren tapir
spring nest
#

but only barely

serene mist
#

I think at this point, people don't have much hope that Darktide will go the way it can go

arctic talon
#

Gameplay wise I’d say it is

#

Outside of that uh

barren tapir
arctic talon
#

I can’t defend it lul

echo vault
#

This is like a smaller scale version of what happened with halo infinite I just for once in my life don't want to be surrounded by this

arctic talon
#

But there’s nothing gameplay wise that makes me unhappy

#

Personally

echo vault
#

Like God damn

barren tapir
spring nest
#

There was just so much potential, the devs knew that they had a promising game on their hands, they had the community, the money, the resources... and then I don't even know how they messed up so badly

#

what were the chances

echo vault
#

I mean at this point it's totally ok if you quit the game and just leave the server, not to be like ooh I'm creating an echo chamber but it's ok to give up on the game

arctic talon
#

It just feels like classic fatshark lol

serene mist
#

There's a lot here that can be amazing, but it doesn't feel as though there's a driving force behind the game that will make it become great

arctic talon
#

The game releases in a terrible state

#

And then it gets improved over time

barren tapir
#

They literally spoke about a game than never got released, and what we have is nothing great

serene mist
echo vault
#

I like it but I'm not a gamer in the slightest, I barely ever play video games

arctic talon
#

Idk I enjoy the gameplay but that’s literally it

#

I don’t know if anyone else is in that boat

spring nest
#

I just wanted Darktide to not only be a good game, but THE game to propel the 40k universe into a new tier

echo vault
arctic talon
barren tapir
arctic talon
#

With fat sharks track record

echo vault
spring nest
#

I thought fatshark would've learned by now

arctic talon
#

I mean

spring nest
arctic talon
#

They didn’t learn from their pre VT games

spring nest
#

maybe GW is learning

arctic talon
#

Truth be told

#

Always underexpect

echo vault
#

The entire video game industry is in a downturn and it's gonna be a long time before it gets any better

arctic talon
#

Being hyped always ends in disappointment imo

spring nest
#

with some expections

arctic talon
#

And that’s the people who buy their minis

serene mist
arctic talon
#

GW doesn’t care about anyone but those people

#

Truth be told

barren tapir
arctic talon
#

If you don’t buy their primary money maker

#

They won’t care

echo vault
arctic talon
#

GW has said as much

spring nest
arctic talon
#

On their investment reports

echo vault
#

Elden ring being maybe the only one, and even then I see people crack and say it's "empty"

arctic talon
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Is what will happen

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How it goes

spring nest
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well yeah

arctic talon
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Who the fuck knows

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I’m already happy with the core gameplay loop

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Actual progression

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Needs a lot of work

barren tapir
spring nest
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maybe the upcoming blog will clarify some things

arctic talon
#

To an absurd amount

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There’s also a bunch of unimplemented cosmetics

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From the beta

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The game needed more time in the oven

barren tapir
echo vault
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We're getting close to a better gaming industry and """"gamer culture"""", but it'll get worse and worse until it even gets a tiny bit better.

spring nest
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if theres one thing im getting for my birthday, it's the hope tha Fatshark will LEARN

arctic talon
echo vault
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We must kill all the gamers

arctic talon
#

What color do you want your dragon

spring nest
#

don't kill us

arctic talon
#

Not necisarily

spring nest
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we are good people

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with familites

serene mist
#

So in other news

echo vault
serene mist
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Or questions

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Something

arctic talon
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There’s parts of gaming culture I’d gladly kill lul

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But that’s my opinion

echo vault
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I fucking hate gamers lmao

serene mist
#

OK

spring nest
#

again thats us

serene mist
echo vault
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Why would I automatically hate u tho

serene mist
#

👍

spring nest
#

i dunno

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u hate gamers

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whatever

echo vault
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I hate like the Rick and Morty reddit shit your pants playing Hogwarts legacy people

spring nest
#

ok fair

serene mist
#

What sorts of classes do you all suppose might become available in the near/common/far future

spring nest
arctic talon
echo vault
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Tech adept

serene mist
#

"Biomancer"?

echo vault
#

Dome runner

arctic talon
echo vault
#

Ammojack

serene mist
#

Huh

echo vault
#

Slopper

spring nest
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that showed squad leader, gun lugger, something for zealot, and biomancer

arctic talon
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It’s the most common discipline in the imperium

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Technically

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Mostly since the basics of it

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Are taught to every sanctioned combat psyker

serene mist
#

Interesting

echo vault
#

People say the iron warriors are the gamer legion but what if it's actually the night lords that's why their skin is so pale, and why they skin people (minorities)

serene mist
#

So what, like...healing or controlling biomass or what?

arctic talon
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I.E shooting lighting, making your reflexes faster

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Turning your flesh into steel

spring nest
#

it is like the ability to control living things

serene mist
#

Interesting

spring nest
#

or biological resources

arctic talon
#

The lightning that psykers shoot

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Is bio lighting

spring nest
#

smite

echo vault
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I JUST WANT A MELTA GUN

arctic talon
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The stuff that goes between your synapses

serene mist
#

That sounds like it could have aspects further than just "Killing people"

arctic talon
#

Yep

serene mist
#

Like shifting the corrupted biomass that's everywhere

arctic talon
#

Making yourself atronger

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Making an enemy weaker

echo vault
#

Melta gun
Melta gun
Melta gun
Melta gun

arctic talon
#

Turning them inside out

serene mist
#

How would Stormtrooper be different from Veteran?

spring nest
#

I want the promised stub rifle

serene mist
#

Closer ranged stuff?

arctic talon
spring nest
serene mist
#

Perfect

arctic talon
#

Heavier gear

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Heavier armor

spring nest
#

slower

serene mist
#

I like it already

barren tapir
#

Same

echo vault
#

Can we get solar auxilia armor for achievements, like something super cool for busting your nutsack on those penances

spring nest
#

or like naval gear

serene mist
#

Oi

arctic talon
#

All the gear is meant to fit lore to an extent so no smarf

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Navy armor

serene mist
arctic talon
#

I can see

barren tapir
#

Why not making reasonable penances first?

echo vault
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It doesn't even need to be the full suit just like parts of it

serene mist
#

Solar Auxilia isn't fukkin Navy armor

arctic talon
#

But there’s 0 chance we’re getting auxilia stuff

spring nest
#

naval breacher gear

barren tapir
spring nest
#

that's realistic

arctic talon
#

Naval breacher gear is possible

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But solar auxilia gear

echo vault
#

The solar auxilia were 1/3rd of all imperial army soldiers that's nearly billions of solar

arctic talon
#

Yeah and guess where all their gear is now

serene mist
#

Solar Auxilia is pre Horus Heresy Militarum

echo vault
#

There has to be some scraps of void armor around

arctic talon
#

Yeah

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It’s naval breacher armor

serene mist
#

It's literally "No longer a thing"

arctic talon
#

^

echo vault
#

Probably at least on saturn

arctic talon
#

The only people using auxilia armor still

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Are on Saturn

echo vault
#

Or Luna or terra

arctic talon
#

Because they’re the damn founders

spring nest
#

NAVAL GEAR

serene mist
#

Yeh and we're not there

arctic talon
#

Of the auxilia

serene mist
#

At all

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So uh

echo vault
#

I just want the dang shoulder pads auxiliary have

spring nest
arctic talon
#

And they’ve always been very very paranoid

serene mist
#

"No"

arctic talon
#

About giving it out

spring nest
#

SWAMP GEAR

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GILLIE SUITS

serene mist
#

Man I just want different guard uniforms as well

spring nest
#

that wont work

echo vault
#

I want that double barrel shotgun the imperial navy models have that look like a triple decker shotgun

spring nest
#

I want feudal guard

arctic talon
#

Navy breachers

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My beloved

barren tapir
#

I want long coats

echo vault
#

Melta gun

barren tapir
#

Also fucking optics

serene mist
#

How will Gunlugger work now with the current formulation of enemy special units?

barren tapir
#

Even basic one

serene mist
#

Like...a lascannon will delete anything

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Really

arctic talon
#

I mean yeah

spring nest
#

I love how this just turned from watercraft to naval breachers

arctic talon
#

But it’ll prolly have no ammo

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Like the troll hammer

spring nest
echo vault
#

Ogryn getting a new throwable that's just a comedically large m80

spring nest
#

maybe heavy bolters

echo vault
#

No

arctic talon
#

Auto cannon is more likely

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Then a heavy bolter

echo vault
#

Flamers for veteran would be cool

spring nest
#

yeah that too

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they already have the autocannon model

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for AA guns

arctic talon
#

Flamers are zealot exclusive for reasons

echo vault
#

Like a catachan version

serene mist
#

Flamers would be for like...stormtrooper, more likely

echo vault
#

Melta

spring nest
#

Would meltas shoot like beams?

arctic talon
serene mist
#

...true

spring nest
#

cuz the lore dont say shit

arctic talon
echo vault
barren tapir
#

Flamers aren't stormtrooper weapons lol

arctic talon
#

Meltas shoot near invisible beams

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Of heat

#

The only thing you really see usually

#

Are the heat waves

spring nest
#

that disperse

arctic talon
#

And the effects of whatever on the receiving end

spring nest
#

because air

arctic talon
#

Yeah

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It’s why they have such short ranges

echo vault
#

Lol give everyone rad weaponry that corrupts (gives you cancer) over time

spring nest
#

i want rad weapons

arctic talon
#

Everyone gets a radium carbine

serene mist
#

Man

spring nest
#

but too mechanicus

echo vault
#

Or at least the van saar ones

arctic talon
#

You shoot it you get cancer

serene mist
#

I love getting a spaz here now

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This is great

spring nest
#

maybe mommy hadron got some old relics of rad guns

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and galvanic rifles