40k-lore-chat

[plush mason]

afaik a warhost is a force of craftworld eldar

and a sizeable one at that

[sharp grove]

Gotcha thanks!

[orchid thicket]

Anyone else here a Blood Raven fan?

[celest dome]

Prefer the original Magpies

[orchid thicket]

I really want the period of Azariah Kyras' mastery over the chapter adapted into (good) novels or something

Imagine that, a Chaos corrupted librarian slowly rotting an entire Adeptus Astartes chapter for centuries

[crimson kayak]

Closest thing to a Thousand Sons successor chapter and meme-worthy make them a win in my book

[orchid thicket]

Also arguably an above-average chapter given their victories at Kronus and Subsector Aurelia

[crimson kayak]

Depends on the company imo

[barren tapir]

Kourava

They are mildly average, maybe slight less than average honestly

And i read their books too

[open pumice]

Was that Custodes chat i hear

[orchid thicket]

Kaurava was a deliberate ploy from Kyras to weaken his own chapter by putting the wrong people in charge and not using his influence to make the campaign easier, doesn't really count

[barren tapir]

Pfffffff, yeah, sure...

[orchid thicket]

What other chapter can boast of defeating an imperial guard regiment, tau and eldar strike forces, a necron warhost, and ork WAAAGH, and a word bearers warband in one campaign?

[barren tapir]

Every chapter that has plot armour, like the ultramarines

Also, it was a Free For All, they weren't focusing only the blood ravens, if that was the case then they wouldn't have stood a chance

Also, what other chapter lost three companies against orks?

And ork that weren't led by any real great warboss either

If it was thraka it would have made sense, but gorgutz? AH!

And boreale wasn't some inexperienced guy, it is stated that he was quite competent, and that is why they gave him three companies to command

Also, regarding the question of what other chapter could do the same, three ultramarine, not even a company managed to stop an ork invasion of a forge world and then even a chaos invasion on the same world... Not bad i would say

[dusk patrol]

Imperial Fists heh

Cept it was all of them.

Also to be fair to Titus and co, they were just the scalpel in that situation.

[open pumice]

Yeah it was not just 3 marines

It was an entire company of ultramarines

• a conpany of blood ravens

[dusk patrol]

I wanna say there was another chapter too although I can’t recall what else. Plus massive amounts of Ad Mech and IG elements.

[halcyon wedge]

Am still rather new to the lore, has the imperium ever attached servo-skulls to cybernetic bodies?

[signal bramble]

Nah because then they’ll just make a servitor.

Servo skulls are flying drones and used specifically for that purpose.

[halcyon wedge]

Ooo, okay

Would look pretty cool, having a servo skull connected to a long tendril coming out off a body

[dusk patrol]

They are connected like that often

Just not controlling the body

They’re used as like a second pair of eyes

[halcyon wedge]

I think I’ve seen a few kits like that on the GW store

[dusk patrol]

It pops up on a ton of models

[halcyon wedge]

I’ve seen Admech loves those things, I’m gonna do a bunch of those after I finish up my space marine craze

[barren tapir]

Yeah, that was later though

[barren tapir]

Yeah, mine was more a joke than a serious thing, they were just the initial relief force

[dusk patrol]

Uh sir this is 40k

No joking matter

[barren tapir]

Uh, my bad, i will report to the nearest commissariat to ask for the rightful punishement

[plush mason]

that is a shit ton of blood ravens lol

seeing as just 1 company of blood ravens was the size of most SM chapters in DOW1

[crimson kayak]

Funny how in the soulstorm opening cinematic tau shots bounce off SoB armor

[plush mason]

and they nuke one of the tau's kaiju monsters down with just small arms lol

[crimson kayak]

True DoW experience right there

[plush mason]

yup

[crimson kayak]

Oi, don't insult my boy gorgutz

[plush mason]

DoW1 was not kind to the tau in campaigns

[crimson kayak]

I mean, they lost while having a system wide artillery piece

[plush mason]

they didnt lose in soulstorm afaik. its never said who wins in that campaign just that the blood ravens did not

at least in dow 2

[crimson kayak]

If we count DoW3 technically orks win soulstorm

[plush mason]

oh?

does goreguts claim that?

[crimson kayak]

If I remember correctly yes

[plush mason]

k

so the orks win

oh wait

dow3 is basically non canon

[crimson kayak]

Yep, confirmed gorgutz if we count DoW3

[plush mason]

k

[crimson kayak]

Wich is funny because technically he also wins DoW3 considering he's the one that keeps the spear of khaine

[plush mason]

yeah

ofc he is the only character from dow to be in 3 dow1 titles so it makes sense

all 3 of those he just gets away or wins if soulstorm/dark crusade

[crimson kayak]

Before DoW3 technically it was the guard btw, there should be some items in DoW2 mentioning it

[odd trellis]

is there a lore reason that the psychers can't use chainaxes

[barren tapir]

No

Just game balance

[odd trellis]

oh. Where would I ask about that?

because I don't quite understand that

[dusk patrol]

Its literally just not everyone uses all weapons due to game balance.

Outside of force weapons and things too big for anyone but the Ogryn, or too small or complex for the Ogryn, everyone should be able to use each others weapons.

Flamer for example is a common Guard weapon

[short bison]

I have important lore question. How Ogryn home planet look?

[signal bramble]

Ogryns come from a variety of worlds but the ones they initially came from were usually savage death worlds where the humans originally there devolved and became more savage. They grew physically larger and more powerful but their mental capacities diminished as they had to live primitive lives.

[short bison]

Aaaah, so what are some death worlds? And different ones so like some jungle, some mountainous, swamp etc... But all incredibly cold?

[signal bramble]

A death world can be anything that's inimical to life. It could be like Catachan where everything is lethal or a desert world with horrible sandstorms that strip everything on the surface to a world that's radioactive that you can't live there.

Another death world is the home of the Flesh Terrors called Cretacea which is absolutely infested with giant dinosaurs.

[odd trellis]

isn't cretacea being held by the genestealers to train up their dooders

[signal bramble]

I don't think so. Unless that happens in the new novel that came out.

[odd trellis]

yeah I was hoping for like a design note or something but I'm not exactly asking people to do my homework/research for me

[dusk patrol]

What?

None of us have the Devs notes, it how it works in universe.

There's no reason a psyker can't use a chainaxe, the Devs just decided they don't get it

[signal bramble]

So I don't think Cretacea is under the control of genestealers right now but I haven't finished the new novel.

Given the context and what the story so far is about I hope that doesn't happen, that would be stupid. >_>

[odd trellis]

it probably isn't. I only know something from passing about some planet where the tyranids haven't absorbed the native species because it's such good combat training

but from wiki articles and stuff it's not

[signal bramble]

Probably something else.

[signal bramble]

Oh yeah and definitely not cold on Catachan. The average temperature in Catachan is 104 degrees Fahrenheit.

Catachan is pretty much the quintessential death world to give you an idea of how bad they can be. Everything on the planet is carnivorous, poisonous, explodes, or all of the above.

[short bison]

Oh shit. So ogryns all come from shit places to live essentially? Did they live in tribes and shit?

[signal bramble]

As far as we know, they devolved to live like primitive cave men in the most inhospitable and violent worlds imaginable.

Before the imperium found them anyway.

So yeah, they'd live in tribes or clans, etc.

[short bison]

That's pretty metal to be honest

[odd trellis]

they're really nice though

[signal bramble]

Yeah the ones the imperium found are able to somewhat civilized. They took to the imperial faith pretty well and are very trustworthy and loyal as they have the mentality of a 5 year old. If you befriend one they'll get very protective of you. You can definitely do worse than having a best friend whose 8 feet tall and can carry an APC with their bare hands watching your back.

I like to think that's why the veteran is always so kind to the ogryn in their dialogue because he knows it's better to be friends with the ogryn.

[short bison]

I've gathered as much. Ogryn's are S tier

Say, are there any Ogryn imperial saints?

Because that would be, dare I say, based

[signal bramble]

Saints? No.

But they definitely get lots of medals and rewards as the ones that stay alive tend to do really well in the guard.

Keep in mind, they're still abhumans. Not quite mutants but not quite human either. If people started revering abhumans they might start showing tolerance towards mutants. Something the imperium's religion cannot abide.

As the imperial quote says "the rewards of tolerance are treachery and betrayal."

[short bison]

Aaaaah... Perhaps I'll manage to become a random group of convicts Saint one day...

[odd trellis]

the ecclesiarchy strikes again

[reef kite]

Hey real quick, what is a vox?

• complete new idiot

[celest dome]

Any Voice announcements, phone like system or system meant to carry the voice of someone

[reef kite]

Ah gotcha

So the warhammer universes version of a radio

[celest dome]

It's a catch all therm

[signal bramble]

Correct.

And a loud speaker is called a “vox amplifier.”

[arctic talon]

its a radio/telephone/microphone thing

they can also be used as weapons

by just being so loud they bleed

[reef kite]

sounds

intriguing

[arctic talon]

like this guy

he both spreads propaganda

and makes really loud noises

[light sentinel]

isn’t that a tyranid cult dude?

[signal bramble]

Yes.

[odd trellis]

there's plenty of dev interviews and stuff idk

[celest dome]

Sure but they didn't go and explain why each weapon has its given availability.

Like they did say a Psyker wouldn't use a Plasma gun

[dusk patrol]

Also like, we know it can be used by psykers

It’s like asking why medics in BF4 can’t use the engineers SMGs

It’s just a game play thing

[odd trellis]

they could in BF2 tho, couldn't they?

[upbeat dagger]

so what would happen if we through a big enough bomb into the eot

[crimson kayak]

Ah yes, the Dj miniature

[orchid thicket]

What was his problem?

[celest dome]

Didn't each class have pretty much access to only their class specific weapon apart from the Pistols?

[echo vault]

He wanted to become the first psyker khorne daemon prince

[celest dome]

There is no bid enough bomb. And even if it were the Warp would survive largely intact so it would be a waste

[orchid thicket]

He had a great voice

[echo vault]

That speech of his for the intro of the final level is soooo good, FAITHFUL, ENLIGHTENED, BROTHERS

[orchid thicket]

Yeah his speech is incredible

Unironically made me like Khorne the most out of the Four

[echo vault]

Khornes more equal opportunity than we give him credit, liking Kyra's that much

Because him just being like lol lmao and destroying anyone with psychic powers who calls to use his powers is a waste of talent and worshippers

Especially with what sorcerer's and psykers can do that's just as brutal as any display of chainaxes, and khornate force axes, woah mama

[orchid thicket]

Good thing canon is flexible

[echo vault]

Their original rogue trader rules stated there can be sorcerer's of khorne they just had to rely on force weapons and such

[orchid thicket]

Or rather, it should only be right that as a god of something as broad and deep as war, Khorne should be open-minded about systematic ways of murdering people

[echo vault]

Of course, he's not always just mindless that's for the less enlightened folks, brain power is rare but when it's used in khornate characters there's potential

[celest dome]

Current lore also has the Goremage

[orchid thicket]

It's why I really like Kyras

He shows the big brain IQ side of Khorne

[echo vault]

Send I can't get images when I search goremage

[orchid thicket]

Manipulating events for decades or even centuries just so billions of people could die for the lols

[echo vault]

NVM I got it

I see

You gotta maximize your skulls per year

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Gore_Mage

[echo vault]

Thank u

[raven prawn]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPuo0ThnMqc&t=1s&ab_channel=AVoxintheVoid-Narration

i will never insult hadron again

[lapis edge]

Should not have so in the first place

[warped sail]

we should turn the golden throne into a psytitan

[north lotus]

This but give it a kilt

[signal bramble]

I think there’s a third party miniature of a dreadnaught that did that. It’s not official, just some random model someone made.

[reef kite]

What are servitors?

[honest trellis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1hU7z6d-Kmc

[celest dome]

Basically Lobotomized people who are used as Robot

[arctic talon]

Lobotomized criminals/innocent people/vat grown

[north lotus]

Machines that use meat to compute, rather than silicon, as there was a terminator style war in the past, typically used for sci-fi robot shit. Has the aesthetics of the 1998 film virus

[arctic talon]

Usually criminals

Not that it makes it any better

[celest dome]

Well aren't all criminals anyways ?

Like in game

Not in a philosophical sense

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[honest trellis]

"There is no such thing as innocence" and all that

[arctic talon]

Yep

Also you might get turned into a servitor because you’re the worst performing person on an assembly line

Or even worse a tech thrall

[honest trellis]

Tech thralls are mostly a 30k thing innit

[arctic talon]

They’re in 40k according to the codex

And they’re a punishment for strikers

[honest trellis]

oh neat, which page had em?

[arctic talon]

Or for people who are too inefficient

Uhh gimme a sec

[arctic talon]

I’m stupid they’re in brutal kunnin

[honest trellis]

ah

[arctic talon]

But they’re not given any real like

Attention other then a brief line

[honest trellis]

mm

[arctic talon]

Still think they’re a worse punishment then a servitor

Because you’ll be aware on purpose

[echo vault]

Why does everyone forget about the iconic ork character from the first dawn of war orkamongus

[storm jungle]

AAAAAA

[open pumice]

Sus

[arctic talon]

getoutofmyheadgetoutofmyheadGETOUTOFMYHEAD

[echo vault]

Bro I'm naming my kid after Magistus Amon of the thousand sons and Gustavo Fring from breaking bad

His full name will be Amon Gus

[arctic talon]

[thick cedar]

How does the emperor feel about being worshipped as a god?

seeing how he abolished all religion when he first arrived

[undone zodiac]

Chrono gladiator is also a thing

Altho not brought up much in modern 40k

[north lotus]

As darktide seems to imply, uncomfortable

[signal bramble]

I imagine he doesn’t like it very much but we’ve not really seen him comment on the situation.

Big E is occupied with other stuff.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah we don’t get much comment on him these days about politics

[hushed kayak]

Do the other chaos gods have a war cry dedicated to themselves? Besides khorne obviously

[celest dome]

For Nirgle it's: For the Plaguefather

[hushed kayak]

interesting

any idea for the other 2?

[desert dust]

Idk about the other gods but iron warriors got the best.
Iron within iron without

[celest dome]

Those are Legion war cry

Blood for the Bood God... is in all Wsrhammer ip

Same for the Plaguefather one

[oak timber]

Slanesh would probably be "fuck me yourself you coward!"

[hushed kayak]

[nova kernel]

Why I think the Alpha legion is secretly loyal

have you heard of them attacking anyone in the Imperium in the past few thousand years within the lore?

Me either.

[orchid thicket]

They're the Alpha Legion. You don't know they attacked anyone because they killed every witness

[celest dome]

That's because you are deaf

There are many cases of Alpha attacking Imperial forces

[nova kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-me-think-about-it-meme-gif-7715402

[nova kernel]

https://tenor.com/view/you-dumbass-missed-point-stupid-gif-5785598

[balmy tusk]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Birmingham FS missed the opportunity to add this thing as a homeworld

[split totem]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Oom5qpKefU&ab_channel=TechMagelanic Really captures the aesthetic from earlier editions of 40k

Obviously with a few notable deviations. Still really cool though.

[orchid thicket]

Hey that's pretty good

[crisp heath]

Bruh Twice Dead King is so cool

[shadow plover]

Yes!

[warm flicker]

magnus did nothing wrong

[rose thorn]

Apparently this is a joke about a town in Europe but I’m too American to understand

[serene mist]

It's British

Etc

[reef kite]

Hey so I saw in a cutscene someone holding an incense burner over their chainsword while doing maintenance

What’s up with that?

[crisp heath]

maintence in the Imperium has a lot of ritual because they believe machines have a spirit, so they have to pray and make offerings when repairing their equipment

[reef kite]

Ah I see

[crisp heath]

That's why 99% of machines in the Imperium are maintained by tech priests

[reef kite]

And the incense is like an offering so the weapon dosent jam out of spite

[crisp heath]

Yeah, I think most authors also push that it helps clean out bad luck/evil spirits/harmful energy

We had a good talk about machine spirits here a while back, most tech has really weak machine spirits but they're definitely real because some really high end equipment does provably have a mind of it's own

[arctic talon]

There's also a lot more tame stuff like "holy" lubricant

or "blessed" oils

for weapons and machines

[crisp heath]

holy lubricant
(dont post nuns dont post nuns dont post nuns)

[rose thorn]

I’m pretty confused about voidsmen, like- aren’t they just guard?

[crisp heath]

They answer to a different authority

[rose thorn]

Oh okay

[crisp heath]

It was a bit shakier in the past, but now in the lore it's a pretty big deal that during the Horus Heresy there was one Imperial Army, but after the Heresy they were split into Imperial Guard and Imperial Navy. Voidsmen defend the ships of the Imperial Navy against enemies trying to board them.

[desert moss]

Is this a conical character?

[rose thorn]

She’s just a named version of an inquisitor for the game, I think it’s specially based off teh inquisitor with flame pistol?

[crisp heath]

Adrastia from DoW2

[rose thorn]

Ohhh okay, is there a reason why the voidsmen at arms look alot more regal then the breachers? Or is it just the rogue traders version of voidsmen

[desert moss]

Cool ty

[crisp heath]

i mean idk much about the Navy, but there's a few things called "breachers" in 40k

I never really saw the voidsmen as especially "regal", but I guess if I squint I can see it

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/35/Maccabian_Breecher.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20130612050034

[crisp heath]

are you talking about these guys?

[crimson kayak]

apparently, both the loose cannon and one of the ogryn voices have fought tyranids already

btw he probably means the elucidian star striders

wich are the way they are because they are rogue trader related

[rose thorn]

No , these guys https://preview.redd.it/xhsztq15n5s61.jpg?auto=webp&s=a96c839ff59e6aec48e96b5c1538dced9c772686

[crimson kayak]

yep, rogue trader

[crisp heath]

oh yeah I know nothing about the navy and am only passingly familiar with RT

[rose thorn]

Oh okay, so it’s just ‘rogue trader money ha ha’

[crimson kayak]

standard voidsman are similar to breachers but without specialized equipment

[rose thorn]

Weird the breachers are considered astra cartographa

In game

[rose thorn]

Ohhh okay!

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99120108083_KT2ElucidianStarstridersLead.jpg

I was like ‘I don’t think they belong together’

[crisp heath]

"I don't think they belong together" applies to any 2 people you meet on a rogue trader's ship tbf

[crimson kayak]

sadly the starstriders don't end well on their own novel

[rose thorn]

Fair lmao

Side note I have no fucking clue if the combat arena folks are in a RT together, in the game god no but they were added as DLC for BSF where they were

And it was Cannonically the same characters????

[rose thorn]

I don’t think BSF’s does either

I need to read the books, I have them I’m just terrible at reading

[rose thorn]

Man I hope they get their KT rules back :( they got them at like, the last second of the old KT and I don’t think they got new ones

Last second being like a year

[crimson kayak]

from what i remember the escalation crew and standard blackstone crew are parallel

oh no wait

escalation is a sequel to the main story

[rose thorn]

Yea

But the escalation crew is from a game called combat arena

[crimson kayak]

yep i know

[rose thorn]

Idk if it’s the same crew lmao

[crimson kayak]

btw i would love to have Epic scale back

[rose thorn]

Didn’t they bring it back for the titanicus game?

It’s only for like

4 things

Oh no

I got it mixed up with uhhh

Battle tech

[crimson kayak]

titanicus it's only knights and titans sadly

[rose thorn]

I wish it wasn’t, but also if they did add the normal vehicles and stuff they would basically be a complete clone of Battle tech lmao

Like the only reason lil guys are in battle tech is if the opponent has more models then you

So idk

OH YEHA RHEY ADDED ARMINGERS TO TITANICUS

Rhats what I was forgetting

I’m gonna check if the other RT have kill team rules

[crimson kayak]

he should if i remember correctly

or you could use him to substitute the standard one's model

one of the two

[rose thorn]

Wrf they don’t, only Star striders do

It would@literally take them 5 minutes to do it lmao

[crimson kayak]

lol

btw, i noticed they changed the cadian lasguns with the new models

[rose thorn]

I love the new lasguns

They are like

Real guns now lmao

[north lotus]

These fellows are full time, breachers are part time

[crimson kayak]

i just want those garand looking motherfuckers in game tbh

[rose thorn]

I don’t play KT, I wanna but I need to finish my RTs, i have no fuckinh clue if this is KT 1 or 2

https://whc-cdn.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/12/ENG_Blackstone_Fortress_Kill_Team_datasheets_v2.pdf

[north lotus]

By “part time” I mean that they aren’t constantly being deployed in shifts as guards

[rose thorn]

Me too, I love it’s a mix of like, realistic, but still factory line nerf toys

Like those toy guns hou see on TikTok

[north lotus]

Gel blasters?

[crimson kayak]

old killteam

[rose thorn]

Yeah,

[rose thorn]

Damn

I really wanna play BSF but I wish there was a complete edition ya know

With all the dlc shit

[serene mist]

BSF?

[crimson kayak]

wait i was wrong, it's new killteam

[rose thorn]

ITBIS?!?

AAAA

[crimson kayak]

they came out after the starstriders did so

[rose thorn]

Ohhh okay

Weird I didn’t see anything that it’s new KT on community I might ahve been blind tho

[crimson kayak]

i mean arbites and dark eldar are coming out

[rose thorn]

I wonder who arbities 40k rules will be

Probably inquisition / agents

Honestly I wouldn’t mind if GW just eats and harvests all the old dlc for BSF and make either KTs or silly shit from it

Like I wanna see how the ambull would play in 40k

Weird because drukhari took the weird 3 nosed dudes for a lil while

I think they still have rules actually

Nvm it’s legends

It has a 7+ save lmao

15 points 3 wounds 6attacks on charge 5 strength -1ap 1 damage that takes up no detachment slots basically

So

bad

[north lotus]

Giant angry cows

[signal bramble]

The kill teams are usually a special detachment you can add without breaking monofaction.

[arctic talon]

That’s kill team 1

You can tell bcs they don’t use all the symbols and stuff

[odd trellis]

would it be possible to play Darktide as a tabletop? Like are there adventure/rpg rules that can be taken over? I know age of Sigmar has some stuff like that

[celest dome]

Dark Heresy or Only War

Dark Heresy is "specialized" for Inquisition Warbands

While Only War is more about Imperial Guard groups

Not sure if Dark Heresy has rules for Ogryn though

But there must be either cannon ways or even fan made stuff for it

[odd trellis]

it'd be pretty fun imo

[upbeat dagger]

so, what's the extent of time travel?

ik it exists

seeing as the whole story about an ork that went back in time to find himself to get another copy of his favorite gun

[mystic geyser]

It would port into the RPGs easily enough, but that isn't really tabletop

A venator gang in necromunda is doable. There's also Inquisitor, which was a 54mm skirmish game, but people play it as 28mm

and loads of hybrids and homebrews between them

Its been suggested that Blackstone Fortress (A Warhammer quest style game set in 40k) would be a good vehicle for Darktide, but i've not played it myself.,

I have played its Age of Sigmar counterpart, Cursed City, using Vermintide miniatures, and that works very well

[odd trellis]

what does 28mm or 54mm mean?

[mystic geyser]

scale of the model. So height of the average human in mm. 40k is nominally 28mm (though scale creep means its a bit more usually)

[odd trellis]

oo. IS the adventure stuff like Dark Heresy 28mm?

[mystic geyser]

Dark heresy isn't a miniatures game, its an rpg. Ofc people absolutely do use miniatures for the combat map bits and usually it'd be 28mm.

[celest dome]

Very limited and very difficult to do it while meaning to do it

[odd trellis]

does Tzeench do it tho

[mystic geyser]

time travel shows up occasionally as a plot point, but is almost always hard to control and risky.

[upbeat dagger]

but like, traveling back to 30k to create a timeline where the horus heresy never happens wouldnt be possible

[mystic geyser]

There's one time Abaddon uses it to trick a daemon.. i'd have to look it up. Daemons don't experience time so are pretty bad at time travel.

There's never been a proper change the timeline travel story AFAIK.. But then that's what the ordo Chronos is for.

[celest dome]

In theory, but such a cataclysm would still probably still happen

[mystic geyser]

In one of the Eisenhorn/ Ravenor stories theres a magic warp door that does controlled time travel. But obviously it goes wrong before they get to use it properly.

[upbeat dagger]

or at least somehow saving Big E

[celest dome]

Like it was bound to happen, the Chaos Gods had decided as such

[upbeat dagger]

also isn't the imperium capital f fucked due to the way demons work

like they're just prolonging the inevitable

[mystic geyser]

I mean in many ways the imperium is fucked yeah

[upbeat dagger]

cuz afaik if IoM kills a Daemon or CSM, chaos gets their soul back and makes a new one

if an IoM soldier dies, chaos gets a new soul

[mystic geyser]

Daemons can't die traditionally (apart from a few ways to obliterate them)

CSMs definitely can (though there are ways around that too, lol)

The Emperor claims the souls of the faithful

but humanity feeds chaos all the time

with negative emotions.

[upbeat dagger]

also what's up with big e

[mystic geyser]

and by making a dystopian empire, chaos only gets stronger

[upbeat dagger]

isnt he like, supposed to be a god at this point

i feel like that's gw's ace in the hole if 40k ever needs a soft reset

[mystic geyser]

essentially a god yeah. I mean that one of the big plot points in the newer books, is he a god or just a psyker.

[upbeat dagger]

if Big E ever falls I don't think he's resurrect as a man again

i mean he's got the power of around 3.5 trillion souls at this point, let alone the worship of an uncountable number of imperials

mans gonna go punch a hole straight through slaanesh

[desert dust]

I feel like he burns most of those souls in keeping the light house in the warp going and the left overs he throws at demons trying to make the hole on Terra bigger and the scraps go to ||keeping Ciaphas Cain alive.||

[upbeat dagger]

who dat

[desert dust]

The hero of the imperium

[upbeat dagger]

ah

[crimson kayak]

Oh after AoS I don't think we'll see reboots of 40k anytime soon

Anyhow yeah, basically he's in-between "Mortal" (if you could even call Big E that) and God, sadly the fact that he's using a big chunk of his power to make everything work and the other chunk to keep the Infinite Daemons™ at bay he can't properly ascend yet

[crisp heath]

The Emperor has 3 concerns: keep demons from pouring out of the webway, guide the ships of the imperium with his psychic light, and play card games with psykers

[crimson kayak]

And all this are just turns on the grand fifth-dimensional chess tournament between him, the chaos gods, gork, Mork and Cegorach

[arctic talon]

It never happens intentionally outside of Necrons

Time travel is always an accident

In the imperium

[outer wave]

Has the Imperium ever time travelled outside of the 41st Millennium? Have they ever went 10,000 years into the future or 30,000 years back?

[arctic talon]

We wouldn’t know if it happened but odds are it’s happened before

[outer wave]

Do want a story based on a ship that goes wayyy into the past or wayyy into the future

[arctic talon]

No

[celest dome]

Don't we know it already happened ?

[arctic talon]

Because that ruins the fun of the setting for future

[celest dome]

Like a Horus Heresy Ship just Warp jumping into 40k present time

[arctic talon]

The fun of the setting is the imperium is going to collapse on itself or be destroyed

And watching it struggle

[signal bramble]

It did happen.

[arctic talon]

Yeah that has happened before

[signal bramble]

A ship with an AI called The Spirit of Eternity.

[arctic talon]

That one was

Even older

From the DAOT

[signal bramble]

I liked spirit of eternity. Thought it was really good.

[outer wave]

Eh I dont hear much of any novels talking about how the Imperium is struggling hard or is losing a ton but then again I dont read the novels lmao

[arctic talon]

it’s entire crew tortured to death by the imperium

[celest dome]

Wait did the SoE time jump ?I just though it survived for a long time

[arctic talon]

Pretty much every codex and warzone book is the imperium is taking the L

[arctic talon]

It time jumped twice as far as we know

Once by accident

[signal bramble]

It did.

[arctic talon]

Once intentionally

[barren tapir]

I think it would make for a funny story a SM ship that time travel back to the Age of Tech and go "you all must submit to the emperor or die" and get erased in 2 sec

[arctic talon]

Skidadle skidoodle your insides are noodles

[barren tapir]

Or maybe they make planetfall to try conquer a planet thinking it is like all the other times and then get killed by simple guards

Not even actual military people, just guards of some place

[celest dome]

That would indeed be fun, or one going way further back in a battle during the War in Haeven

[outer wave]

What if an Imperial Cruiser ends up in some alternate timeline where life on earth sprouted very differently and nothing was recognizable to them?

[barren tapir]

Or maybe that the birth of the Ad. Mech. is actually a temporal paradox, because it was founded by some tech priest that time travelled back in time and was interned because seen as mad, but then during the age of strife on mars manage to escape and found the Mechanicum

[arctic talon]

They’d prolly kill everything on it lol

That’s the imperiums first contact policy

If alien == sapient kill

[outer wave]

True true

But just seeing a completely new universe in the 40k universe would be kind of refreshing in a way?

That or idk they go into the Destiny universe assuming GW would want to do a collab with Bungie lmao

[timid ferry]

With a random warp storm, anything is possible 😉

[timid ferry]

Depends on who finds them first. If a Rogue Trader discovers said Xenos, their warrant of trade gives them the authority to go about first contact however they please (peaceful trade, extermination, exploitation, etc). On the other hand, if an Explorator or Missionary fleet finds them…

[arctic talon]

I was very much oversimplifying it yeah

[timid ferry]

tbf, it’s only a matter of time after the rogue trader trader finds them that the other factions will become aware of the xenos and try to exterminate them

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Does anyone know why in Twice Dead King its mentioned that the giant Aquila has skeletons mixed in with the gold?

[open pumice]

please god no lmao

[crisp heath]

Apparently it's one of the most highlighted passages of the book so I'm assuming it means something

[open pumice]

most likely being metaphorical at the current state of the imperium

[crisp heath]

No, like they had to refine the gold because there was too much bone in it to be called "pure"

[open pumice]

i.e. it looks shiny and grandourous at a glace, but in its core it's a dying, decaying corpse of an empire

[open pumice]

that sells the metaphor even more lmao

[crisp heath]

‘The statue of the… deformed avian, yes?’ ‘Quite. It represented their corpse-king, somehow – theirs is a strange cult. But they have an appreciation for scale, at least.’ ‘It is pure, I take it?’ ‘It is now, my king. It certainly was not before. Would you believe the humans are such shoddy metalsmiths, that the metal of the figurehead contained traces of skeletal matter, of all things?’

[open pumice]

i'd assume atleast

otherwise it's just a throwaway line about grim and dark 40k stuff

But it definitely odesn't seem far fetched that its an intentional metaphor on the state of the imperium

ig if your looking fo the most litteral answer

it's 40k

theres skulls in everything

thats a given

[barren tapir]

Religious relevance, the bones of the martyrs are the foundation of the empire, the Aquila, being the symbol of the imperium, got bones into it when was being made to give it the holiness that nearly all in the imperium love...

[north lotus]

And because grimdark

[barren tapir]

Ironically speaking that has nothing to do with grim or dark... Using bones was also a way to make certain steel in history

IIRC it was a process used in scandinavia

Also, if we go with the religious BS that sometime happen in 40K smelting a relic with a symbol like the Aquila could have unforseen results

[crisp heath]

Yeah but that doesn't work with gold

If you add a high carbon material to gold it becomes prone to corrosion, which doesn't happen to more pure gold

[barren tapir]

They will handwave it saying it was some advanced tech or something else

Like, they managed to put all the bone substance in the inside, so that it cannot oxidise and corrode, or some other crap

The worse would be that once again faith do some BS

[summer rover]

they just stuck a reliquy in the thing. they stick bones in all sorts of things because they're saint's bits.

[rose thorn]

Hey is there anything I need to listen too before the our martyred lady audio drama?

[outer wave]

Whyssat?

Much as D2 is D2, it at least has some interesting lore (least concerning the Vex)

[open pumice]

I can think of no worse crossover than GW and bungee

the settings also don't mesh well

d2 is alot more grounded than 40k is

[outer wave]

Is it? Lore has some pretty fucking ridiculous things happen

[arctic talon]

D2 actually has a lot of like

hard science behind the lore of the elements lol

[north lotus]

grounded
SPACE MAGIC GUNS.

[open pumice]

i said mroe grounded

not

[arctic talon]

The Light and The Darkness break laws of physics

[north lotus]

AND GOLF BALL MAGIC

[open pumice]

actually grounded

[arctic talon]

but the fundamental like actions that are caused by them

can be explained with science(to an extent)

same with Hive Magic

I.E stasis creates perfect crystals

and makes things cold by turning total entropy to zero

Stasis isn't ice its just you sucking the entropy out of things to create perfect crystals

thats why there's always the same pattern of "ice" on the ground when you shatter a stasis crystal

[open pumice]

still more grounded than the weaponized scyzophrenics that are psykers

also the crossover wouldnt be like
interesting, which is the more important part

[arctic talon]

As far as we can tell in Destiny

[north lotus]

Psykers are reasonable. Have you been to a Walmart?

[arctic talon]

Void, Arc and Solar are all based on proven concepts

while Stasis and Strand dive into more theoretical things

[north lotus]

(That was a joke)

[open pumice]

neither setting is just going to vanish
so it's just going to be

imperium shows up
sees humand mucking about with both XENOS AND ABOMINABLE INTELIGENCES
the eternal war continues

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty much

also the Vex would probably wreck havoc on Imperial forces that don't have a psyker present

and even then the vex could just kill said psyker

[open pumice]

a very liberal application of exterminatus would meet the destiny sol system

[arctic talon]

lol pmuch

[open pumice]

there heresy: too vast

[arctic talon]

also the Vex

er

not vex

Exo

are abominable intelligences

[open pumice]

yeah

[arctic talon]

The vex are also but thats obvious

[open pumice]

and the imperium wouldnt make the disctinction for the vex between xenos and A.I.

it is heretical either way

Destiny's humanity is like
DAOT humanity from 40k
but without all the rad DAOT tech

[arctic talon]

I mean

Theres some pretty cool tech in destiny

99% of it is just lost tho lul

for literally every faction but the Hive and Vex

[open pumice]

DAOT, without the cool DAOT tech

I have 2 wishes for new skirmish games

I want a unification wars skirmish game featuring the thunder warriors
and a DAOT skirmish game, featuring all the rad tech they elude too bt never talk about

[arctic talon]

Hand held black hole gun disagrees with you

[open pumice]

aren't exotics lost tech

or am I on crack

(I dont keep up with destiny lore, stopped when me & my ex broke up and didn't have to appease them)

[arctic talon]

No

They’re salvaged or produced

Then copied

[open pumice]

aight

[arctic talon]

With a few exceptions

[open pumice]

indeed

[arctic talon]

Like touch of malice or whisper of the worm

Or one thousand voices

Parasite

Guardians pay a lot of money for working replicas of exotics in lore

[open pumice]

yeah

I stopped playing the game when it went free to play and they took all of my paid content out of the game

[hushed kayak]

that game is a love/hate relationship rn with me

[arctic talon]

I’m just waiting for light fall

I burnt out of this season by grinding too hard lol

[open pumice]

i'm waiting for them to refund me 90 dollars for the DLC that I purchased and they removed from the game

[echo vault]

What is your favorite type of weapon in Warhammer

[open pumice]

elaborate

like
how specific and down the weapons rabbit hole is the plan

[echo vault]

Weapon types such as bolter plasma melta etc same with melee stuff like power fists

[open pumice]

So

I play custodes and blood angels

[echo vault]

I say type because every Warhammer weapon has many different sizes/versions

This power claw variant is cool

[open pumice]

lightning claws are rad

[open pumice]

i have a preference to melee weapons

SO i think my bsolute favorite weapons by concept are the custodes guardian weapons

the guardian spear, castellan axe, pytherite and adrasite spears, and the sentinel warblade

they just completely scream 40k and imperium to me

[arctic talon]

Macrostubber

[open pumice]

following that, inferno pistols are rad as hell

what if we took a plasma pistol, and crammed a meltagun into it

kinda based

[arctic talon]

Mostly since it’s a tiny pistol that shoots so fast it would rip an unaugmented persons hand off

And it hits harder then a bolter

[echo vault]

Pyrithite is great it needs to be in more custodes models

[open pumice]

pytherite would be great if it wasn't simply the worst option a custodian could take

[echo vault]

It needs to be used in a custodes terminator model it could work

[arctic talon]

There’s a lot of just terrible options in codexes tbh

[open pumice]

thats not whats wrong with it

[arctic talon]

It doesn’t do damage kekw

[open pumice]

whats wrong with it is: in 40k melta weapons are just not great against vehicles because they do d6 damage, so they're only good against infantry, in which custodes are going to genuinely be better at handling infantry in melee
and in 30k they have a range of 6", meaning you have to be licking the vehicles dirt to even hit it, and 3" away in order to get armor bane out of it

[arctic talon]

Honestly

In 40k I’d rather them be bad then good

Custodes already suffer from forgeworld syndrome

[open pumice]

having an effective range of right up your opponents ass crack is bad when adrasites can at least shoot my damn enemy at 18"

[open pumice]

custodes don't suffer form forgeworld syndrom, they fucking brought forgeworld syndrom into existence by sheer force of golden will

[arctic talon]

Lol

They’re the source of it

Or rather the only remaining bit of it

Pretty rough if you want a good custodes list because by god you’ll be paying out the ass for that resin

[open pumice]

as someone with 6000 points of custodes, yes

[arctic talon]

[echo vault]

30k melta used to be even worse

In the first edition of the heresy you could give vehicles an upgrade called armored ceramite and it'd make melta useless

[open pumice]

ahem
incorrect

[open pumice]

objectively better than current melta

[echo vault]

I forget how it made it worse

[open pumice]

I don't think you understand how rough it is

to have to be 3" from a vehivle

in order to sue the primary function of a weapon

you spend 15 points per model on

[arctic talon]

Kid named tank shock

[echo vault]

Long melta

[open pumice]

you are legitimate better running into melee

and using the melta bombs

that every custodian is equipped with by default

[echo vault]

Long

[open pumice]

longest melta

like genuinely, the adrasites do what meltas do, just better

they just need to be ap2 instead of ap3

[arctic talon]

AP2 is spicy as hell in HH tbf

[open pumice]

TBH, against most units, the difference btween ap2 and ap3 is negligable

[arctic talon]

Yeah

I play mechanicum in 30k anyways so

[open pumice]

its not like 40k, where you have

[arctic talon]

[open pumice]

you know

factions

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[open pumice]

and yet

[echo vault]

Adrasite is a gauss gun anyayt

[open pumice]

30k is still an unbalanced, atrociuus mess

[echo vault]

Anyway

[open pumice]

xenos propoganda

and also

factually incorrect

[echo vault]

I mean the og heresy was for people who wanted to play marines like they were guardsmen

[open pumice]

I

no?

[arctic talon]

It wasn’t

[echo vault]

Kinda idk

[arctic talon]

At all

[echo vault]

Resin

[open pumice]

did you play hhv1

[arctic talon]

If you wanted guardsmen you’d play imperial army/chaos cults

[open pumice]

ever

even once

[arctic talon]

Or hell solar auxilia

[echo vault]

https://tenor.com/view/no-cat-shaking-head-nope-nah-gif-17505282

[arctic talon]

Actually those are just scions

[echo vault]

I'm tired

So I'm loosing capability

[open pumice]

HHv1 was to sell forgeworld as a thing lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It was to stop forgeworld being a niche boutique product thing

And to push it as a

[open pumice]

and also to put models to a book series that they were printing for, at the time 8 years

[arctic talon]

YOU CAN PLAY A GAME WITH ONLY FORGEWORLD

[open pumice]

and then when 40k moved onto 8th

[arctic talon]

Forgeworld still feels like a botique store tho to me

Lul

[open pumice]

it became the main source of playing tactical marines

[arctic talon]

Tactical marines were better then intercessors in 8e

And scouts were better then Tacticals so

[open pumice]

they still are

[arctic talon]

Scout sweep lul

Yeah

Game wise most primaris are uh

Subpar

[open pumice]

intercessors are just god awful

just

[arctic talon]

Excluding a few exceptions

[open pumice]

play assault marines

especiall with AOO

[open pumice]

you cant even give assault intercessors jump packs

[arctic talon]

Infiltrators, eradicators, bladeguard(situationally)

[open pumice]

whats the point of an assault marine without a jump pack

[arctic talon]

Assault intercessors are a big ??? To me

[open pumice]

like

as a certified blood angels enjoyer

whatt he actual fuck is an assault marine

[arctic talon]

Honestly anyone saying GW is trying to kill firstborn is silly

With how strong GW makes them

It pretty much ensures you’ll always want them

[open pumice]

they are trying to kill firstborn

they jsut are doing a very bad job at it

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t say so

Or else they wouldn’t have given them 2 wounds

[open pumice]

i mean

[open pumice]

firstborn still only have 1 wound

[arctic talon]

They have 2 wounds

They have had them since 8e SM2.0

I will sell you my left leg if they don’t have 2 wounds excluding scouts in the 9e codex

[open pumice]

holy shit

they have 2w

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lmao

GW isn’t trying to kill firstborn

Or else they wouldn’t have done that

[open pumice]

i mean they are

[arctic talon]

Ehh

[open pumice]

theyre also trying to make a balanced 40k game

[arctic talon]

I doubt they’re ever going to get rid of them fully

Is my point

Maybe 10-15 years down the line

[open pumice]

all major characters are now primaris, in lore there are a whopping no firstborn left in the major chapters

[arctic talon]

But not anytime soon

[echo vault]

Has someone ever died from forge world resin

[open pumice]

not soon

[arctic talon]

Dante is still firstborn

[open pumice]

my spirit died

[arctic talon]

Not yet prolly

[open pumice]

dante corssed the primaris last i checked

[arctic talon]

But some idiot is gona get cancer

[arctic talon]

He didn’t

[echo vault]

Aren't the red scorpion characters firstborn

[arctic talon]

It’s explicitly said if he tried he would most likely die

And also Seth is still firstborn

[open pumice]

what the fuck crack have I been smoking man

[echo vault]

I forget their names but they're like co chapter masters

[arctic talon]

Idk

It’s fine lul

[open pumice]

i know

[arctic talon]

Yes

[echo vault]

Only one grey knight is primaris

[open pumice]

msot hcaracters

[arctic talon]

He isn’t

[open pumice]

are primaris

[arctic talon]

He’s just bigger

[echo vault]

Built different

[open pumice]

grey knights also arent really astartes

[arctic talon]

It’s the new marine scale anyways

[open pumice]

theyre sanctic startes

which is

[arctic talon]

He’s sized like the new csm

[open pumice]

different

and wierd

[arctic talon]

Which makes sense

[open pumice]

speaking of scale

[arctic talon]

New MKVI are great

Scale wise

Love them

[echo vault]

I remember seeing an image that the scale of the Forge world EC terminator praetor was bigger than a primaris marine

[arctic talon]

Because they’re the new scale

[open pumice]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/827040812608913412/1070517757411610655/0201231835a_HDR.jpg

[arctic talon]

Which is more accurate then the old one

[open pumice]

the praetor vs constantine valdor

[arctic talon]

Fancy

Unironically

[open pumice]

thats for different reasons

[echo vault]

He big

[open pumice]

theyre trying to up the size of the praetors specifically

[arctic talon]

Also HQ units are just bigger in general usually

[echo vault]

Good

[arctic talon]

Same with elite units

[open pumice]

because they want them to have a larger battlefield presence

[arctic talon]

It’s why the old metal kasrkin

Were bigger then a tactical marine

It’s to make them stand out more and look important

[open pumice]

theyre fixing that slowly tho

for most non hqs they're getting their scale in check

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They’re trying to get everything to a proper scale

Excluding vehicles

[open pumice]

except valdor, whos big even for a custodian HQ

[arctic talon]

Valdor is a Chonky lad

[open pumice]

I love him

i'll be getting sanguinious later this year for my BA

[echo vault]

I wanna see more custodes characters, specifically in aquilon terminator armor because it's my favorite armor ever

[open pumice]

gotchu fam, gimme a sec

[arctic talon]

Someday

[nocturne crest]

Should more loyalist primarchs return if IOM balkanises and becomes many little empires?

[arctic talon]

But custodes are new both in 40k and 40k

[open pumice]

ah wait you mena new characters

[arctic talon]

The imperium wouldn’t Balkanize

Mostly since the loyalist primarchs all got together decently

[open pumice]

the imperium has already balkanized

[arctic talon]

Even if they disagreed a lot with each other

[echo vault]

I know there's 40k custodes characters and in 30k just more

[arctic talon]

Also this lul

[open pumice]

there is 1 30k custodes character

[arctic talon]

Imperium nihlus and Imperium Sanctus

[open pumice]

it is cosntantine valdor

[echo vault]

Valdor, ixiom hale who was an event model

So it doesn't really count

[open pumice]

and the different segmentums are very much not in unity with eachother
and ultramar
and a few others

[echo vault]

But aquilon armor is mwah wonderful

[nocturne crest]

So you don't see the lion deciding to try and revive 30K imperium by splitting off with Gulliman.

[open pumice]

disliek aquillion armor

[arctic talon]

Pacificus on its way to cause a third fucking civil war

[open pumice]

it feels to much like cataphractii

[arctic talon]

"loyalty is its own reward"

[open pumice]

no, because that wotn sell models

[echo vault]

It's old art the models are different

That pancreasnowork video about how dorn should come back first is really good

[open pumice]

i own the models

[echo vault]

I do too

[open pumice]

they look too much like big cataphractii

[echo vault]

I bought them on eBay and someone slathered them in so much paint they looked deep friend

[open pumice]

I would buy this armor

[nocturne crest]

Good point.

[open pumice]

like actually
people keep going oh the lion wont let the echlesiarchy stay or oh thelion will do away with the inquisition no the fuck he wont, thats models and profit gor GW to make

hes going to be a flat one dimensional character liek he's always been

[arctic talon]

^

he's so fucking flat

its almost painful

[open pumice]

and he's not gonna get anything done until daddy guilliman comes and saves his sorry ass

the lion can eat a dick

lets have an interesting primarch come back first, like dorn, russ, or the kahn

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, Khan returning would be dope.

[echo vault]

Lion is too busy going honk mimimi

[open pumice]

it would, especially after all that criss wriaght, emperor bless his name, has done for him

[echo vault]

https://youtu.be/WqMij4jH0PM

[open pumice]

the lion is too busy forgetting to stop his sons from falling to chaos at the first chance they get

[open pumice]

this video is decent, i've seen it

[nocturne crest]

Also, kind of dumb, but I would love to see the white scars get their own unique unit or something.

[open pumice]

they have a few

[echo vault]

When Caliban is like england but with more demons in the forest it happens

[arctic talon]

Caliban(hell)

[echo vault]

Both because of the demons and also because it's like england it naturally happens

That's what england does to you

[open pumice]

no it's because they couldnt think of anything interesting to do with his legion, so they instead just made it an alegory for the imperium as a whole

[echo vault]

How about if they were the dank angels

[open pumice]

man

the lion is so incncequential to 30k that most of the writers completely forgot to mention him

all the cool primarchs were at ullanor, and the lion wasn't there, case closed

[nocturne crest]

I would say Ferrus is the only one lower than the lion in that regard.

[echo vault]

Well he's also 6 feet under

That is pretty low

[open pumice]

disagreee, ferrus actually sets up fulgrims final betrayal and makes an important leap in the narrative

all the lion managed to do was draw the ultramarines away from helping terra to solve his dick sizing contest with curze (guilliman won)

[nocturne crest]

That is fair statement.

[echo vault]

I like the concept of the dark angels especially in 30k I like the knight cenobium and the hexagrammaton stuff

Their aesthetics are way better than their 40k equivalent ngl

[open pumice]

the only cool dark angels moment in the horus heresy was ||corswain taking back the astronomicon||

[echo vault]

The dreadwing are cool

They made plasma guns somehow more cancerous

[open pumice]

similarly this is the only cool part about the book mortis

[arctic talon]

Too bad corswain himself is boring

[echo vault]

Plus they're square, square things

[open pumice]

what,. you mean being the 3rd best martial combatant in the astartes isnt a personality trait

[echo vault]

Marduk sedras

[arctic talon]

his blade called THE BLADE

[open pumice]

he unironically looks like he's trying to be every legion except dark angels

[open pumice]

when sevatar is a more likable character than you, you done fucked up

[echo vault]

Chess board

[arctic talon]

dark angel checkers are a part of their asthetic

[echo vault]

I wish that carried over to 40k I don't like how bland they mostly look

[arctic talon]

Their 40k astheticc is fine

[open pumice]

it reflects their legions story better

[arctic talon]

it suffers from the 40k issue of everyone sharing units

[echo vault]

Two marines playing chess on one of their checkerboard armor plates

[nocturne crest]

Isn't there a dark angels successor chapter who are just 30k dark angels?

[open pumice]

also you know who ahs a cool elgion aesthetic

[echo vault]

Emperor's children

[open pumice]

the clasically inspired BLOOD ANGELS

[echo vault]

Emperor's children

[open pumice]

DAMN STRAIGHT WERE GOING BACK TO MELEE MARINES

[echo vault]

I like the blood angels look in 30k

[open pumice]

I liek how their look doesn't change in the slightest between 30k and 40k

they are simply too fuckin based

[arctic talon]

It gets slightly less fancy

but thats more of a forgeworld

loving a bunch of tiny details

[open pumice]

i love how sanguinius mirrors the archangel michael coming down to slay satan

chefs kiss

[echo vault]

I hate most alternate heresy stories because they don't entirely make sense, but if the blood angels went chaos they'd look cooler as like word bearers rather than nurgle worshipping for some reason???????

[nocturne crest]

Oh yeah.

[echo vault]

The dornian heresy annoys me so much

[open pumice]

anythign other than khorne or slaanesh is cringe

[echo vault]

Yeah it'd be way cooler if how the blood angels turned was if they joined kabandha at signus

[open pumice]

i like how both of them tried to take a stab at the angel and he just went
nah, i'm to hot for that shit

[north lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/faith-new-blood-horror-creepy-rotoscope-gif-22307646

[nocturne crest]

The one where gulliman turns has the blood angels become Vampire EC.

[north lotus]

Mortis

[open pumice]

no, it would not

[echo vault]

I know in that scenario they wouldn't go to signus because the word bearers planned it

But idk

[nocturne crest]

Have Primaris Wulfen happened yet in lore?

[arctic talon]

Not yet

[echo vault]

No

[arctic talon]

But its a matter of time

the wulfen only occured in the first place due to gene seed degredation

[echo vault]

Primaris death company exist so almost there

[arctic talon]

The Primaris were made from fresh genestock

[echo vault]

Wulfen redemptor dreadnought

Why does the wulfen dreadnought have an exposed head tho

[open pumice]

blood anegls are cooler as this paragon of unity that are constantly fighting off these internal demons, and as a result become the best amongst the legions

much cooler imo than them just giving in at the first real trouble they have

[echo vault]

Makes sense

[open pumice]

its what makes the blood angels such a rad legion over all

and why they continue to be so great in 40k

[echo vault]

Sanguinius got hurt a lil bit and all the blood angels went fucking psycho if I remember

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, if Primaris Wulfen does happen, I think should be more controllable as opposed to be being complete savage.

Like a werewolf situation

[open pumice]

"hurt a lil bit" is a interesting way to put massive psychic backlash from a greater demon of khorne slaying an entire company

[echo vault]

Yes I do know it was a near death experience idk

[arctic talon]

also it isn't a 40k company

where its just 100 marines

[echo vault]

Like if I remember from the heresy black book some dreadnought interred blood angels went fucking psycho on signus to the point they were basically falling apart and were almost completely exposed, exposed as in the interred marine I think was visible maybe I'm just imagining

[open pumice]

yeah the whole story of the third act of fear to tread is the blood angels having to band together without sanguinius to avoid the red thirst

while they also break the edict of nikea, and acknowledge that psykers are the bakcboen of their legion

[echo vault]

Dreadnoughts are cool af

The qin xa model is baller since you just see a dead alpha legion dreadnought just this guy all covered in ports (more than the average amount) and shit they don't even look like a marine

Plus the dawn of war 2 cutscene for dreadnought Thule is creepy

[open pumice]

indeed

been looking at alot of GW stuff for blood angels, getting ready to drop about 1500 bucks on a new BA army for horus heresy

[echo vault]

Spend way too much money on the extra base for the sanguinius model that adds a bloodthirster

Because looking at the model as is I fear it'd fall over and break

[open pumice]

you cant run that base, at it's just a beast of chaos

but yes

[echo vault]

It just looks nice

[open pumice]

i will be buying that base from a recaster

[echo vault]

Good thinking

I got recasted mk ii marines and EC dreadnought and they turned out ok

[open pumice]

I dont generally aprove of recasting and piracy

but i'll make an exception for models no longer in print

this is his scenic base

you cant run it in 30k, because its simply too large

[echo vault]

Makes sense it just feels incomplete without it

[open pumice]

this is him in the scenic base

I am a succer for neo-classical art

so this model really just

hits that spot

[echo vault]

They should definitely release the full thing again just for the sake of it looking nice, without the huge base it feels like it's missing something

[open pumice]

meh, the model by itself is amazing

I love most of the scenic bases, even the lions

[echo vault]

The lions is cool because of the pile of dead night lords

[open pumice]

the only ones i particularly dislike is horus ascended, leman russ, and the erebus and kor pharon one

i don't like leman russes model at all

but erebus and kor pharons base is kinda lame

and I am a bit dissapointed that all they did for horus was jsut a mound of corpses

[rose thorn]

Hey what’s y’all’s favorite less then sane successor chapters,

[arctic talon]

Mortifactors

[rose thorn]

Classic

[echo vault]

Flesh tearers

Sons of the Phoenix, silver skulls

[rose thorn]

Cocaine vampires are cool! Didn’t they get a book or something recently?

[rose thorn]

I’ve never heard of those two tho

[echo vault]

Almost forgot

Soul drinkers

Purple >> all other colors

[rose thorn]

Aren’t those the ones that’s chapter master literally had spider legs?

[echo vault]

Yeah

They've technically returned as an all primaris chapter and they recently got a book where the new descendants are like "holy shit what the fuck have we gotten ourselves into this is psychotic"

[rose thorn]

Oh they got refounded,? I’d expect their seed would just be burned lmao

[echo vault]

They're imperial fists successors, and don't doubt cawl

[rose thorn]

Lol

[echo vault]

I mean they went out honorably it's more out of respect than just lazy

[rose thorn]

Is thier refounding doing anything interesting or are they just purple marines now

[open pumice]

litteraly any BA sucessor

one of the best parts of devastation of baal was dante being incredibly pissed at every BA successor chapter that came to help for falling to the red thrist

[rose thorn]

‘Boy I wonder who our genefather is’

‘Oh.’

[open pumice]

yeah there is no way theya rent sprinkling in some angron in that batch

[rose thorn]

Idk if the black dragons are insane or just weirdos with bone deformations

Actually salamanders have some weirdo ass successors

[echo vault]

Lamenters still alive

[serene mist]

Black Dragons are just weirdos with bone deformations

By and large relatively sane

Absolutely pissed at constantly being looked at weird

[open pumice]

lamenters are based as hell

[echo vault]

They need to do more with them I like their color scheme

Although I'd add more black and white sometimes the yellow of the lamenters sucks, but death company lamenters look badass

[rose thorn]

I’d honestly love to see lamenters get something in a WD

I think rules based around losing units would be super fun lmao

[rose thorn]

In the subject of bone, the ideas of space marines being loyalist and cannibals is the funniest shit to me

https://tenor.com/view/sponge-bob-patrick-star-eating-lots-of-food-gif-13797181

Emperors spear after killing some eldar

[echo vault]

Mortifactors when their captain dies

https://tenor.com/view/mukbang-food-mukbang-gifs-asmr-mukbang-korean-food-gif-22923627

[rose thorn]

Flesh tearers when after finding a bunker full of civilians

https://tenor.com/view/slaygc-mistazelf-eating-eating-mad-eating-fast-gif-24279059

[echo vault]

Live footage of that incident

[rose thorn]

How many times does it need to happen to be less of an incident and more of a procedure

[echo vault]

It's a tradition

[rose thorn]

Inquisition trying to find out what chapters are doing normal cannibalism and chaos cannibalism

[open pumice]

Its a feature

[open pumice]

Hey dont make me eat you too

[rose thorn]

hehrhehe.

[open pumice]

No, eat you
Not eat you out

Theyre both threats, bht of different variety

[torpid narwhal]

Whats an ice cutter

[tacit spoke]

its like garrote wire but for ice

[torpid narwhal]

Whats a garrote wire

[undone zodiac]

"Vulkan: "There will be no Rad or Phosphex in my legion. We shall fight wars humanely. Some things should be left in the dark age."
Ferrus: "Oh cool, when are you going to stop burning people to death?"
Vulkan: "I don't understand the question."

Is this an actual conversation in horus heresy

[serene mist]

A very thin wire normally used to cut people's throats (normally wrapped about the throat from behind)

[mystic geyser]

@undone zodiac it's not far off

"Vulkan had never once condoned the use of such weapons. Radiation grenades, phosphex, virus bombs… the Salamanders primarch had called them terror weapons with no place in his Legion. It was one of few matters on which he and Ferrus Manus did not agree.
For the Gorgon, the end justified the means. Any enemy of the Imperium deserved no quarter. Vulkan saw them a inhumane, even when Ferrus Manus had reminded him burning foes to death was equally unpleasant. As Vulkan saw it, there was a vast difference and so the matter was laid to rest unresolved. "

[undone zodiac]

"Burning is actually pretty lit ngl ferrus"

[crimson kayak]

Damn it why does the only Ultramarine successor I like have the paint job I hate the most

[desert dust]

What one is it?
Red

[crimson kayak]

Howling Griffons

[crisp heath]

Novamarines are the same concept but looks even worse

[crimson kayak]

I mean, I just saw my holy trinity in there of "Doesn't consider the Codex the second coming of Jesus", "Actually has a bit of lore" and "Feudal themed Chapter with a Knight World"

But I fucking hate the four square color scheme

[lament sluice]

Are Megaarchnids a type of Tyranid?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Megarachnids

[crimson kayak]

Nope