#40k-lore-chat

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undone zodiac
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Or that one land raider of the crimson fists

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Got angry its home was destroyed, drove out of chapter monasterys wreckage, started gunning down orks, after running out of ammo driving over them and once immobilized, blew its own plasma reactor after having lured as many orks inside as possible

barren tapir
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Nah, they are literally the same, but you are free to use those terms how you see it more fitting, as lore stand, they are in the end the same thing

undone zodiac
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And there was no space marines driving it

barren tapir
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Ripper are under auto weapon category, like macro cannot FYI

signal bramble
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Don’t forget canis rex, the imperial knight that rampaged through an iron warrior base to save its pilot.

echo vault
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Bruh imagine bonding with a titan and the moment you think you've got it under control it just literally blends you (mentally and/or physically)

serene mist
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Reject doesn't necessarily mean delete

echo vault
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Of course that's like the edgy grim dark rejection thing

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Kinda like how some princeps are immersed in a pod to connect to their titan, but something goes wrong and that pod is a beat red

boreal ruin
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Vaguely related to wh40k lore but is it just me or are the vex from Destiny literally just necrons

north lotus
serene mist
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Necrons time travel

north lotus
serene mist
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Infinite and Divine it occurs seceral times

north lotus
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I mean I know they can set up stasis

serene mist
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Traveling back in time is done by em

north lotus
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But vex literally set up simulations of timelines

boreal ruin
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Yeah but the concept is incredibly similar. Extremely ancient alien race who has become robots, cannot use magic, frequently use teleportation, are mostly humanoid but have several nonhumanoid forms, and absolutely love using directed energy weapons

north lotus
boreal ruin
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I think that's kinda implied by the robot bit but yeah that too

north lotus
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Thought granted the vex remind me of evil brass instruments

boreal ruin
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Necron tablet capes are just chimes prove me wrong

north lotus
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I think

boreal ruin
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But yeah I feel like the vex may have been inspired by necrons

north lotus
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For fuck’s sake, my favorite weapon of their’s skyburner’s oath is practically a bolter

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Granted it’s made for alien ergonomics

boreal ruin
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Yeah I don't think they're inspired by space marines but I always joke about it honestly

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A titan using skyburners is absolutely a space marine though

north lotus
boreal ruin
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And if it's striker that's a librarian

night marsh
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So that decapitated servitor thing with the hologram head from the game intro cutscene

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Pretty wicked but I thought the point of the mechanicus stuff was to make robots out of dead people's skulls to give them a soul

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Feels like the first time I saw a machine in 40k that didn't have a skull or head pieces lol

serene mist
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Except it wasn't a decapitated servitor

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Mechanicus tech follows the idea that, for computational power, normally you need a brain to act as a cogitator

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That brain doesn't necessarily need to be in the same location as usual to work

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It just normally is for ease

arctic talon
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new arbites drip just dropped

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dusk patrol
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Well they're not the LAWH anymore

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But that's a good look

arctic talon
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it looks better then the Dredd helmet

serene mist
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I dunno

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I like the Dredd helmets

arctic talon
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They're similar still

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they just resemble knight helmets more

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which fits the imperial asthetic better

hardy root
celest dome
serene mist
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That's a confusing one
It's just a mask

celest dome
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Certain SM Primaris have similar one iirc

arctic talon
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Theres enough helmets for full helmets I'd assume

serene mist
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Primaris have brain damage as standard
They should not be followed

crisp heath
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I have a question for all of you clever people, in the Dawn of fire when Belacurius cawl (I know I just butchered that) is unveiling the Primaris marines to Guilliman, one of guillimans guard meets an unknown space marine in a random room and it's never mentioned again, who the f is that guy?

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I also believe it's the space marine who is on the cover of "the great work" ( gonna read it soon)

dusk patrol
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Might be Alpha Primus iirc

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Or Felix

crisp heath
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Ok who? (Assume I have no idea who you're talking about cause I probably won't)

dusk patrol
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Basically the prototype primaris

crisp heath
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It's also mentioned if I remember correctly that he's potentially a psycher

dusk patrol
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He's always in constant pain

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Yeah probably him

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He's a powerful psyker and generally stronger and better than most marines

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But he's in crippling pain at all times

crisp heath
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Does he turn up again

dusk patrol
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Not much so far, I think he has a short story

crisp heath
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Ok thankyou

dusk patrol
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iirc he was made using all of the different primarch geneseeds and was rewritten on a genetic level.

crisp heath
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Wait so there's another primarch now?

dusk patrol
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No

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He was just made using the geneseed of all of them, or elements of all

crisp heath
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Ooooo ok so he's like a suped up sm

dusk patrol
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Basically

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He was the prototype primaris

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He's better than them in a lot of ways but he's also very flawed

crisp heath
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Also who are the 2 primarchs who aren't named? I know it's mentioned once but malcadore loses his shit

dusk patrol
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We don't know

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Its kinda their point

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They exist to be mysterious and unknown

serene mist
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Originally they were intended to allow for homebrew Legions for Heresy era games

dusk patrol
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They weren't actually

serene mist
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But these days the fandom loses their collective shit if someone tries a homebrew Legion

dusk patrol
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They just added them for flavor way back in the day

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You can use them to homebrew legions but it wasn't the intent

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They were a reference to the lost roman legions partially

serene mist
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I swear they've mentioned it in several interviews

dusk patrol
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They've said it was the opposite

serene mist
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Really. Huh

dusk patrol
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The misconception is that they were made for homebrew, which obviously you can but its not really designed for that

crisp heath
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I'm gonna annoy the fuck outta everyone in this chat with my constant questions 😂

dusk patrol
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Because like, making your own guard regiment or chapter in universe works because theres so many unnamed ones.

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But the legion in universe are very established, and it doesn't really work for the two lost ones to come back.

serene mist
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Except they don't "come back"

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You homebrew em in for a game

dusk patrol
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Or not be gone

serene mist
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Mhm

dusk patrol
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They didn't exist in the Heresy era basically is my point

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You can put them in but it doesn't work as well as how the universe is built for custom stuff for other settings.

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Like how you can make custom factions of almost every other faction

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For the Heresy, its more built to make custom groups within the legions, or make your own subfaction within the Ad Mech/IA elements

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but being real, most people are just doing their own thing with homebrew anyways so who cares

crimson kayak
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We only know for sure that one got capped because of some kind of mutation while the other got capped for some kind of betrayal

barren tapir
dusk patrol
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If I had to guess it’s probably not a bolt round but who knows

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Looks really slick regardless

barren tapir
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The armour also looks nice, a new example of how a carapace armour would look

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But, the helmet is similar to the sob one lol

dusk patrol
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It does kinda make sense in there being a similar link to the styles used

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I liked the old Dredd helmets but I like these a lot too

barren tapir
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Wait, is that a optic on the gun? Didn't they knew it is illegal and not fitting the setting to customise the weapons?!?!

dusk patrol
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Pistol sight too

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These guys don’t mess around

celest dome
barren tapir
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I guess they played too much fallout 4 and putted a telescopic sight on a 44 magnum revolver

barren tapir
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And bolter

dusk patrol
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This is obviously the first case of any sort of sight being put on a gun in 40k

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Groundbreaking tech clearly

barren tapir
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Indeed, lets blame Cawl once again, it is the tradition i think

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Hell, even scums get optics on their guns anyway

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Shitty optics that are fully bandit style optics from borderlands, but still better than ironsights

crimson kayak
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Wait, don't the cawl bolters already have stocks?

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Anyhow I'm happy because with all this carapace sets we can easily start making feudal guardsmen conversions lol

barren tapir
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This one have a light one, but it is a bolt sniper rifle

crimson kayak
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Uh, then I think the big revolving gun is gonna be some kind of grenade launcher

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Mostly because they already have a heavy stubber guy

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Oh wait no

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It's just a shotgun

spark relic
barren tapir
spark relic
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Ah right

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Too many nowadays

crimson kayak
barren tapir
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It isn't a revolving magazine

crimson kayak
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Wait, then what's the cylinder

barren tapir
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A cilindrical magazine, ammo move inside, but the magazine remain in place...
Or it could be indeed a rotating magazine which would feed the mechanism that is used by the pump action

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But then the problem would be with where is the magazine for the main weapon

crimson kayak
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I don't think it's a drum mag only because of the nudges typical with revolver mags

crimson kayak
barren tapir
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We know it doesn't use a revolting magazine because it has an ejection port, which wouldn't be necessary if it had a revolting magazine

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Also, if the magazine is revolting then it is offeset to the barrel, which would make firing the weapon impossible

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But it is in line with the pump action mechanism

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In the end it could totally be just another dumb design made by people who know jackshit about gun functions

crimson kayak
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They had to give one of them a pimped version of their basic weapon and just went ham with attachments

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Mostly because there's literally no point bringing a sniping gun considering the setting of the killteam box

crimson kayak
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Btw, now that i think about it, what's the status of the Phoenix lords as of now?

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all dead?

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also was Trazyn's Krork thrown on cadia or he's still in the collection? can't remember

spark relic
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I don't think he tossed that one

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It was a long time since I read about that but still

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You can always get more guard, it's pretty difficult to acquire new specimens of an extinct species

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But hey, Necrons can time travel so what do I know?

crimson kayak
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anyhow went and checked, it was only imperial forces

simple sparrow
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Does anyone else think it's ironic that adeptus ministorum priests look kinda like chaos cultists hmmm

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With the skulls hanging off them and stuff

outer lance
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I mean, AdMech are the ones where it’s basically impossible to tell whose chaos or not besides the little medallions hanging off them. And if their AdMech logo has a face wifh skin and not a skull

hardy root
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quick question

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who here knows the name of the symbol around her neck

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its not the inquisitorial one

barren tapir
barren tapir
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Although the big I could also be an inquisitorial rosette

hardy root
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but it doesnt look like the rosette

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to be fair it is a miniature

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so mabye they did forget the 3 spikes on the side

barren tapir
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These are all resette

hardy root
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yeah it is somewhat similar to bottom left

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but without the 3 spikes on the sides

barren tapir
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And the rosette doesn't have a standard model

hardy root
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ahh okay

celest dome
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ECh Inquisitor has his own rosette

barren tapir
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What you were thinking was the sigil of malcador, which would become a symbol of the inquisition, but not necessarily the symbol of all the rosettes

hardy root
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well it does fit the sisters of battle since they do work with the inquisition

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yes this one but without spikes

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was wondering which symbol it is

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thank you :)

barren tapir
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They are the chamber militant of the ordo hereticus, so it could indicate that such sister served, or is serving still, an inqusitor

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But, if it was an canoness, then it was most probably a rosarius

hardy root
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all my sisters have it either around their neck or waist

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or even both

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around the neck on one with 3 skulls

barren tapir
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Like that?

hardy root
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yes

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though i dont own that particular one sadly

barren tapir
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Those should be rosarius then, but only the canonesses should have the actual shield one, maybe the other sisters have just votive rosarius without the shield

rose thorn
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I shouldn’t have gotten my hopes up about Luther getting a 40k model lol- the box event is literally happening during the end of the Luther book

hardy root
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only the simple battle sister squad

north lotus
barren tapir
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AH! They wish they were as good as the G36

north lotus
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The g36 suffers from pre-nato rail setup

barren tapir
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It isn't an insult

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I wouldn't say that it is a bad thing

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And not a suffering

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G36 magazines were also superior

north lotus
barren tapir
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Quality is pricey yeah

celest dome
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Seeing 2 gun nerds talk is so good and bad at the same time

north lotus
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And is thinner than g36 mags

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I can say that from experience

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If you want to couple mags?

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I mean look at this bullshit

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Holy height over bore Batman!

barren tapir
north lotus
kind moon
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Ahem

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Hate slaanesh

feral lantern
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can agree

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Slaanesh is shit

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as are Eldar who Murderfucked it into existance

frosty totem
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Imperial citizens best 40k faction

hardy root
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no

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oh come on

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gifs not working here is sad

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there we go

arctic talon
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Best faction is the admech because they have almost no morals

barren tapir
hardy root
boreal ruin
rose thorn
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Hey wasn’t there a super badass word bearer? I think he was a dark apostle but I can’t remember

boreal ruin
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I dunno

barren tapir
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If he was a word bearer it couldn't have been a super badass

signal bramble
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Erebus?

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@rose thorn Sorry for the double ping. Erebus is the dark apostle.

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And he’s the one that basically started the heresy.

rose thorn
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No it wasn’t him, I think he had a book

signal bramble
rose thorn
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All I remember is he murdered a shit load of ultra marines

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It was post heresy

signal bramble
arctic talon
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Phaeron isn’t post heresy

rose thorn
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Found it, it was Dark Apostle Marduk

celest dome
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Kol Badar

rose thorn
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He was the main character of the word bearers trilogy

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Yeah

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It wasn’t ultramarines it was the white consul lmao

rose thorn
timid spruce
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So uh... Who here also likes Genestealer Cults?

rose thorn
timid spruce
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Ah, a fellow Genestealer Cult fan!

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😄

rose thorn
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Yes! I don’t have an army yet because they are the most expensive army

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But I’m planning to get them

arctic talon
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4 armed emperor this, pay taxes that, how’s an honest cultist supposed to make a living

celest dome
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Mostly alright with them
Though staunchly against their possible inclusion in Darktide

timid spruce
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May I ask why that is?

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Also, two Genestealer Cults that interest me quite a bit are the Bladed Cog, and the Twisted Helix.

celest dome
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Because there is already a tide like game with GSC (Deathwing)
GSC don't like Chaos (With 1 noted exception of Nurgle Corrupted GSC)
They have their chance to get a future game

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And they wouldn't make sense to have map and specials overlap

rose thorn
celest dome
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While other Chaos Cults would be able to fit with the formula VT2 showed, more so if Abnett and FS go into rarely seen aspect of them

celest dome
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For cosmetic

rose thorn
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WOOOOOO

celest dome
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And there is the Trapper

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Which is a GSC mini

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Have the datamine up so I'll pull out the relevant stuff

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"loc_acid_dogs_genstealer_cults_01_b_var_02"
"Acid dog themed variation of a mask with goggles with a camo."

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Have to look at something else that caught my interest

shadow plover
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in ye olden times chaos influenced GSCults were pretty common

celest dome
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Old lore and not current one though

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And only 1 known cult

shadow plover
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there was a two page section dedicated for khorne aligned GSC

rose thorn
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I’m not sure how you would give unique allies for the nurgle cults in darktide though tbh

celest dome
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Other Chaos Cults

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Like a Slaanesh Noise Cult

rose thorn
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fantasy had alot of chaos species so it was fun and different enemies

celest dome
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Khorne getting Corpse Grinder Cultist and/or Enforcers (So getting shielded human, and better fighter than just the Bruiser, but having no Gunner)

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Tzeentch getting a Psyker Coven, with possessed thralls or a Mutant Cult

rose thorn
celest dome
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That too, but they are more difficult to explain

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As Jackals have Khornate Space Marine blood vials

rose thorn
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My concern is that they would blend in together or just be repetitive to kill

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‘Oh just more humans ‘

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well I can’t say shit yet

celest dome
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Well the base horde should stay mostly the same

arctic talon
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Jakhals should all act like VT berserkers

celest dome
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But with different aesthetic

arctic talon
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The base horde will prolly just be a bunch of drugged ip humans

celest dome
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But each "faction" would have different emphasis

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Like Khorne having much less ranged but getting Enforcer and better melee dudes

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And each factions getting as high Elites their respective Daemons

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Like Plaguebearer would come for the Dreg, etc...

north lotus
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A slaanesh noise cult could be interesting because you could steal from kf2 the siren

celest dome
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Maybe as a Plagueburster equivalent

north lotus
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And the bloat

rose thorn
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I 100% expect a Slaanesh cultist to just fucking explode and kill it self

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When it fights

timid spruce
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Some other Genestealer Cults that I am also interested in are the Blessed Wormlings and Innerwyrm

rose thorn
north lotus
rose thorn
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Every gsc cult is pretty interesting

north lotus
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GSC are fun for the way that the genestealers morph the cult’s ideology to support it

rose thorn
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My favorite minor gsc is the one that lives on a planet with a dying sun, and they believe the Tyranids will consume and replace the sun

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So they wear insanely bright lights and shit

north lotus
rose thorn
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I have a feeling a pyker enemy in game would be super fucking annoying or crazy easy to kill

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Just ‘pop’ or ‘AGHHHHIM BEING RIPPED APART AAAAAA’

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Meanwhile the pyker is around the corner

celest dome
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Just having them act as the Sorcerer in VT2

rose thorn
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Shout out to when a sorcerer threw me and everyone else off a cliff

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I never stood near a cliff ever again

north lotus
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On one occasion they will fuck you up, but if you interrupt their casting they explode

rose thorn
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yea lol

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jsut make them crazy fucking glass cannon

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like leaf nukes

north lotus
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Because magic hard

rose thorn
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j sut sneeze on them while they are casting and they implode into a flesh monster

north lotus
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Stopping the spell is a bad idea… after when they cast though…

echo vault
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What happened to the abyssal ships the word bearers had

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One blew up but the other two isk

rose thorn
echo vault
rose thorn
echo vault
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I thought he made 3 abyssal class shops

rose thorn
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he only has 2

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OHH

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no his previous flag ship was destroyed

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onbe is unknown and the other is lorgar's personal ship

echo vault
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Ye

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I have the headcanon in my head some big group of marines still traitor but wanted to take the ship from the word bearers

rose thorn
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last time it was around it was fighting ultra marines

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so it was probably destroyed lmao

echo vault
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The one called the furious abyss was destroyed in the ultramar system

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There's also the blessed lady and trisagion

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Trisagion is lorgars capital ship

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So blessed lady could be the setting of marine on marine breaching operations, idk I just want more battles happening in massive ships like from the astartes series

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The entirety of darktide able to be fit in a ship

north lotus
echo vault
north lotus
echo vault
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Although binding a less daemon to a kataphron battle servitor can be cool

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I know I'm just ruining your parade, there will be pingss

north lotus
echo vault
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I saw an image of a slaaneshi defiler with s human upper body and where they connect with the robot legs is a vagina with a cannon coming out of it

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So, it's not a penis or vagina it's a ?

north lotus
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A middle eastern one

echo vault
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Sexual defense tactics

north lotus
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One of the worst things one can be

plush mason
echo vault
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Kinda cool though, more threatening than the normal defiler

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I wanna see more daemon engines from the mechanicus that are just mechanicus servitors fused and merged with lesser daemons so they're just like half robot half blood letter or daemonette

echo vault
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Also when and how did Colchis discover and start worshipping chaos

nocturne crest
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Do you think they'll ever make Frateris Milita army that can be used on the table?

arctic talon
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No

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Too much overlap with guard

nocturne crest
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Really, I kind of thought there would have been too much overlap with GSC....

arctic talon
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No

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Frateris Miltia would just be a fuck ton of guardsmen with just lasguns/autoguns

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And little to no vehicle support

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They used to be usable anyways as cheap chaff units

rare raptor
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I guess this is technically lore discussion; doesn't seem like it's allowed in the DarkTide meme channel since it's not strictly DarkTide.
https://youtu.be/I4F1nuRXusk

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[40k] The Emperor warns Horus

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[40k] The Emperor warns Horus

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crisp heath
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No one complains about Warhammer memes in the meme channel, mods are fine with it, that's rules mostly there to stop people from posting really out of pocket shit

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Oh, but since you posted this, it reminds me

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So in the first Horus Heresy book, (maybe the second?) there's a flashback to the Emperor explaining to Horus that he modelled the Primarchs after the 20 zodiac signs, and that Horus was supposed to be a Sagittarius

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Do we know what the extra 8 signs are?

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(also Emperor being an astrology girl fits in the weirdest possible way)

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(Like he is genuinely upset when Horus says he likes Scorpio more)

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(also because I'm that kind of nerd, I'm going to poke holes in it by saying it's impossible for there to be 20 zodiac signs on Terra because the Zodiac is a series of constellations that exist 30 degrees apart from each other and therefore make a perfect circle in the sky as the year progresses, but there isn't a series of constellations that are 18 degrees apart and still includes any of the original 12 zodiac signs 🤓 )

wary thunder
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Skaven coming to 40k?

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Just seen this meme

arctic talon
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The tarot cards are all very vague

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The tarot card for xenos was a rat

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As in the imperium sees xenos as rats to be exterminated

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Same with abbadon being a king sitting on a throne

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If it turns out to be space skaven

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Then that would be really funny

plush mason
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we already have space dwarves and space elves and even space beastmen so give us space rats GW

ripe ravine
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that website might interest you

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my educated guess is the author was trying to make the story seem far future and connect the zodiac to the primarchs by adding more of them

crisp heath
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Including the classical planets would only bring it up to 19

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If you include planets discovered in the modern period, the total would be 21-22

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I just found it a really interesting detail and was surprised that it was never elaborated on, especially since when it's introduced it's presented almost as a key to what each primarch's role is

ripe ravine
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well I think in-universe stuff like the zodiac probably is significant they just never assigned signs to the other primarchs afaik

nocturne crest
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What about the Hrud as a xenos faction?

crisp heath
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Also while I'm sure it was a very fun project for that person, the primarchs also don't map neatly to the major arcana at all, they had to drop The Fool and change The World to The Last Judgement to make it fit

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So we have the 22 issue again, with The World and the Fool

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Actually nevermind it's obviously all a hint that there's a third lost primarch so there's 22 of them, clearly

ripe ravine
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it was in front of our eyes the whole time

crisp heath
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It was a secret that could only be deciphered by powerful Sorcerors and teenage caucasian girls

ripe ravine
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and what comes after 22? the number 23 of course

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like that jim carrey movie

crisp heath
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(anyway Magnus is absolutely the Fool and Corvus is The Moon)

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Curze is a deadringer for The Devil

ripe ravine
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astrology nerds have an answer for everything

crisp heath
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The Emperor is absolutely not the Fool

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The Fool is trusting, optimistic, and casual, his apparent foolishness is represented by a deep and total faith in a just world, which leads to him being largely passive and vulnerable to making blunders due to a lack of foresight

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As a rule of thumb, the Fool is a student, while one of the other 21 cards acts as his teacher

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The Emperor does actually fit The Emperor card very well, in both his virtues and his failings

ripe ravine
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ah but did not the chaos gods teach him how to make the primarchs? sorry i'm not the best person to play devil's advocate here I think you can make all this stuff mean anything

arctic talon
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He got something from the chaos gods

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to make the primarchs

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we don't know what exactly it was

crisp heath
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Not so much with the tarot as you can with, say, astrology, since the modern Tarot deck was made by Rider and Waite and isn't actually meant to be applied to personalities or used to tell the future

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The Major Arcana is a linear narrative with established characters, so you're supposed to compare things or events to it in order to draw comparisons between the fictional Tarot narrative and the actual lived one

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So the cards really put their foot down and try to convey concrete, serious messages instead of a vague notion you can apply to any situation

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Wait this isn't the kind of nerd I'm supposed to be in this server

ripe ravine
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sure you're constrained by the cards as they land and their meaning, but humans subconsciously search for patterns everywhere we can find meaning in any message vague or not

crisp heath
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Oh no I mean like, there's nothing abstract about them at all

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Like, it's not "oh, the fool is about positive things and trusting the universe and taking an important step"

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It's "The Fool is an individual at the earliest stage of a spiritual journey, riding the high of a percieved oneness and largely trusting the people and things around them, who is going to be hopelessly lost and naive unless guided by an experienced mentor, and at this exact moment is perched on the edge of a major disaster"

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The Magician steps in as the mentor, being academically involved and skilled in most of the aspects of the Fool's journey, but has so much technical knowledge that he often loses sight of more emotional and subjective aspects, and becomes abusive towards Fool because he expects them to comform strictly to the "plan"

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Like, really solid, concrete and unchanging definitions

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That's why alternate art for tarot decks became popular, they're supposed to tell a slightly different story that expands on the same themes, even if it's been co-opted by marketing teams to sell tiny slips of paper as fancy merch

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(and that's honestly just scratching the surface, there's a lot more detail you can get from these characters, for example, The Fool is descended from House Tudor, and Tudor heraldry is therefore used as a symbol for "life" in the Rider-Waite deck)

nocturne crest
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I wonder if they'll ever cover the war of the false primarch further.

crisp heath
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I doubt it, the lost primarchs are supposed to be vague for homebrew and self-insert reasons

pliant horizon
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whats the deal with the chaos worshiper dudes

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are they brainwashed or are they all like "omg death, decay, rot <3 ^w^ so fun"

upper carbon
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Chaos is memetic, it begins overriding those who pray to or are corrupted by it

pliant horizon
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so a mf gets a flu and instead of asking our divine emperor for guidance just lets their body rot 😭

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(smh my head heretics)

crisp heath
# pliant horizon are they brainwashed or are they all like "omg death, decay, rot <3 ^w^ so fun"

Sometimes they're corrupted by a supernatural source, which can be as little as touching an object affected by Chaos, and sometimes they're driven to worship Chaos by horrible circumstances, for example, someone dying of a terrible plague may worship Nurgle to try and recover since he's the one who makes plagues and might cure it, or the last soldier of his chapter or regiment turning to Khorne for revenge

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Should also be noted that there are many planets in the Imperium that worshipped Chaos before they were found during the Great Crusade, and many more minor Xenos who worship Chaos. Usually, in those circumstances the Chaos Gods pretend to be benevolent, and no one notices anything bad happening until they die and get vored by whatever they were worshipping.

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That's how Lorgar fell: his planet worshipped Chaos, and Erebus had a "come to Tzeentch" talk with him after the Emperor rejected him so he basically converted back to a more extreme form of his parent's religion

pliant horizon
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with the power of hindsight I'm beginning to think asking nurge to cure the plague that nurge gave you might be a bad idea

crisp heath
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I mean that's where the whole "Nurgle is actually nice" meme comes from in part

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He usually doesn't cure his followers, but he can and does make them stop feeling pain or dying from disease if they're loyal

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Which isn't to say he doesn't sometimes torment his followers, because he definitely does, but a lot of the mutated, super-diseased former humans we see aren't actually in much or any physical pain

pliant horizon
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yeah but they stinky thumbsdown_ogryn

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nurgle when I throw a bar of soap into the warp

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or maybe he's like

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the 0.00000001% of bacteria that bleach can't kill

crisp heath
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The Chaos Gods can also be really "good" when they want to too

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Like, Khorne is notorious for having a very traditional sense of honor and doesn't like his followers engaging in dishonorable combat, and respects physical strength. Those Greek statues of ripped guys with tiny dongs is very Khorne.

pliant horizon
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nurgle when nurgle alleviates the pain caused by a plauge that nurgle caused

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(nurgle thinks hes good)

crisp heath
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Unfortunately they are 99% horrible so their positive aspects mostly serve to draw people into something worse

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I mean Nurgle is also the God of family and life

pliant horizon
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worse than plauge

crisp heath
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Basically the format for the Chaos Gods characters is: take something a human would think is good, and then make it way too intense, and then pair that Chaos God with another they especially hate and completely remove the original good aspect

pliant horizon
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so basically deadly sins, except personified as gods

crisp heath
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For example, Slaanesh is all about things most people enjoy, sex, drugs, rock n roll, art, but takes it to such an extreme that their worshippers endlessly chase the next high and gradually become a hollowed out husk of who they once were, chasing pleasure they can't obtain, but Slaanesh can still provide all those things to their worshippers if they're so inclined. They especially hate Khorne, and therefore lack any sense of honor or justice, the same way Khorne sees no value in art or entertainment

nocturne crest
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There is a chaos waveband who believe becoming chaos spawn is the ultimate existence for Khorne.

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The highest honour.

pliant horizon
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If I was an imperial plebian I'd still take my chances with """"worshiping"""" the emperor over any of the ruinous powers. Seems like they all have massive downsides

all i gotta worry about is the inquisition doing a butthole check for heresy every week or something

crisp heath
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I'll also point out Chaos isn't as bad in Fantasy and AoS, but 40k really ramped up the destructive elements of the Chaos Gods character

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Should also be kept in mind that Chaos Gods have a lot of real-world inspiration (because believe it or not, Warhammer was made by nerds) and sometimes this inspiration is so close to home that it effectively becomes not "why would people worship this" but rather "why did people worship this irl"

pliant horizon
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yeah the 40k religion stuff is very clearly inspired by late roman early byzantine Christianity

crisp heath
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Nurgle is based off Nergal, a Sumerian God that governed all the manners in which death can be caused besides old age, while Khorne took a pretty confusing route (through things like Conan the Barbarian) to ultimately lead back to Ares and Crom Cruach

pliant horizon
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or just Abrahamic religions in general

pliant horizon
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the emperor is a very obvious le Jesus parady I know that much

crisp heath
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Slaanesh is the only God that's not based off something else iirc

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Slaanesh was GWs attempted to be completely original for once

pliant horizon
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sex whatthefuck_heresy

crisp heath
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Tzeentch was based of Azathoth, and Azathoth was Lovecraft's parody of the monotheistic God

pliant horizon
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Lovecraft is another clear inspiration

crisp heath
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That's why Tzeentch has no true form and was originally the most powerful Chaos God, and why he seems to be loosely associated with creation in general

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He's literally the Big Man himself

pliant horizon
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mf is literally the god of change and progression

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kinda op pls nerf

crisp heath
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If you have a copy of the Simon Necronomicon laying around (you know, like a normal person would) Chaos in general starts making a lot more sense

pliant horizon
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I'm not a big fan of eldritch powers, I think the emperor was right to try and ban religion (eyeleee ileegol)

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I know that like... something something the human mind is conditioned to find/create meaning in unexplainable phenomena therefore relegion

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but like idk

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skill issue 🤷‍♂️

crisp heath
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40k has a lot of fun stuff to dig your teeth into you if you know about occult stuff

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The Old Ones are basically Zecharia Sitchin type Annunaki

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Lots of Chaos stuff was ripped off from the occult scene of the day

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A lot of the Emperor's life is based off Theosophy/Golden Dawn mythology

arctic talon
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40k chaos has things like the forge of souls

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Or that one flesh tower the dark mechanicus made

ripe ravine
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they use all kinds of tricks like false idol worship and outright hypnotism so by the time you realize you're working for chaos it's usually way too late

echo vault
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Power fist weapon when there's IG sized power fists out there

celest dome
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There are 2 types of Human Power Fist. 1 is only a Glove (Connected to a power pack on the back or the Hip) and the other is a full arm cover

desert dust
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I think the best way to understand chaos cults is not though 40k it's though a history podcast that goes over Jim Jones and the whole 1960-70 social movements.
Basically if your government and society is unstable the people at the bottom will join people willing to help them and some rich people buy into it and will fund it.

plush mason
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hell all of 40k was influenced by those times and events

barren tapir
crimson kayak
timid spruce
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So uh... What kinds of planets are there in the Imperium Of Man? Cause so far, I only know a few examples of world category and some specific worlds like Catachan and Fenris and Terra and Cadia. Like, I know Hive Worlds and Agri Worlds and Death Worlds, but what other kinds of planets are there and what other kinds of planets would we be more likely to visit in Darktide?

signal bramble
celest dome
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A lot

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From Death World to Pleasure World

timid spruce
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Pleasure World sounds Slaaneshi

celest dome
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Penal World to Fortress World

signal bramble
timid spruce
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Ooh fascinating.

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Though I could definitely see Slaaneshi cults sometimes springing up on Paradise Worlds/Pleasure Worlds.

signal bramble
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The imperium is so vast that if you can imagine a planet of any kind it probably exists.

timid spruce
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Woah

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So... Are Agri Worlds just massive farm planets, or are some of them also ocean planets for fish and drinking water and whatnot?

celest dome
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Iirc there is a Rapture like world

signal bramble
timid spruce
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So both

signal bramble
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Right.

celest dome
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Like full underwater cities

timid spruce
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Sounds awesome.

signal bramble
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Or floating on top yeah.

timid spruce
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I vaguely recall hearing about something called a Feudal World, which I'm guessing is probably an Imperial Planet that is somewhere around technology levels of like... Victorian London or earlier possibly?

celest dome
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Yes

signal bramble
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Well feudal worlds usually keep the peasants at that level.

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The nobles usually live better.

celest dome
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More like ww1 to Cavemen level

timid spruce
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Ah. So does that mean Angron is from a Feudal World?

celest dome
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There are also Knight World which are similar but have Titan Pilots

signal bramble
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I say usually because not always. The knight house called Hawkshroud live with as few luxuries as possible.

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They say it makes them tougher.

signal bramble
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So they had a high level of tech.

timid spruce
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Fortress Worlds seems pretty obvious judging by the name, but was there some sort of category of graveyard planet that I can't remember the exact name of offhand?

signal bramble
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There are yes.

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Like I said, if you can imagine it, it probably exists in 40k.

timid spruce
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Woah

signal bramble
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The imperium is supposed to be over 1 million planets.

timid spruce
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Now I'm just imagining a Khorne-corrupted planet with literal oceans of blood.

signal bramble
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So it’s plausible just about anything can exist.

signal bramble
timid spruce
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What do Chaos-corrupted planets end up becoming like? I mean, it makes sense that ones devoted to one specific Chaos God would get more of that God's influence on said planet and how the planet becomes changed, but what about Chaos Undivided?

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Like, have we gotten any specific planets in canon lore that were corrupted by Khorne or Nurgle or Tzeentch or Slaanesh? If so, how were those planets changed as a result?

signal bramble
celest dome
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Usually become devoted to 1 Chaos Legion or Chaos Gods
Or become continual war where cults fight against one another

signal bramble
celest dome
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And each become quite unique

timid spruce
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Ooh, fascinating.

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Nurgle planets I could imagine becoming gigantic festering swamps or "gardens" by Nurgle's standards infested with all manner of insects and parasites and plagues and fungal organisms that are not Orkish in nature.

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Khorne planets I could see literal oceans and lakes and rivers of blood, and landmasses made out of skulls and also maybe more DOOM-like hellscapes.

signal bramble
# timid spruce Nurgle planets I could imagine becoming gigantic festering swamps or "gardens" b...

“Once a lush and beautiful Agri-world, Venkrous was the primary producer of most large grains for the Imperium's ancient Jericho Sector. Now twisted and warped by the rotting touch of Nurgle, Venkrous produces plants that are used to create vile poisons and hallucinogenic drugs.

Wanting to create a planet more to his liking, the Plague Father pushed the land masses together until they created three continents where once there were nine.

The next step was to move the clouds out of the way so that all could look upon the glory of this creation. The clouds were moved towards the poles and turned a shade of pink so as not to distract the eye from the crowning achievement.

The seas themselves, once a beautiful shade of blue, now run green with pus. Any wildlife that survived the change found itself mutated into strange new forms that spread the unholy plague to every corner of the planet”

timid spruce
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Oh wow

signal bramble
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The Human population of the planet was hit hardest of all. Those that staunchly refused Grandfather Nurgle's pestilent embrace were the lucky ones. They were merely executed, while those that quickly turned their worship to the Great Diseased One found themselves rewarded with a form of leprosy.

Their limbs would quickly atrophy and die off over a period of seven solar days, but on the eighth day, the limbs that were lost would begin to grow back. The cycle repeats for eight solar months out of the year, but in the ninth month, the regeneration does not stop at simply regrowing the lost limbs.

During that month, the limbs become bloated and grotesque mockeries of what they once were, until the last day of the month when they mercifully explode, spreading the plague amongst any who have not been gifted with it.

timid spruce
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Tzeentch planets... I genuinely have NO IDEA how those could turn out, given how chaoticly unpredictable and prone-to-change Tzeentch can be.

timid spruce
signal bramble
# timid spruce Tzeentch planets... I genuinely have NO IDEA how those could turn out, given ho...

This world is wholly a Daemon World of Tzeentch, ruled by Magnus as its Daemon Prince; it is dark, rocky, highly volcanic and suffers from constant climatic turmoil and change. Its skies are scarred by relentless storms of Warp energy.

Though the Planet of the Sorcerers is anathema to natural life, its surface is rife with Tzeentch's Warp-spawned children, whose hideous screams fill the air as they coalesce into existence and disperse again. Other strange beings also manage to cling to a wretched existence among the erupting peaks and flux plains.

timid spruce
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As for Slaanesh planets... Well, way I see it it could be any manner of excessive decadent beauty or indescribable horror and all manner of excessive pleasures gone out of control and basically Dark Eldar levels of torture and body horror or whatever manner of perversions the Eldar did that led to Slaanesh's birth in the first place.

signal bramble
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That’s Magnus’ world.

timid spruce
signal bramble
# timid spruce As for Slaanesh planets... Well, way I see it it could be any manner of excessi...

The Imperial Hive World of Durell was not the most pious of places before the coming of the Hadex Anomaly, and once Slaanesh got its sinewy fingers into the spire nobles of the world's hive cities, it was impossible for anyone to stop what was coming.

When the Anomaly first manifested, the first settlement that was affected was Hive Primus, the seat of the world's planetary government.

The hive city was transformed from a magnificent structure of stone and steel into one of flesh. Those that were unlucky enough to have habitation quarters on the outer edges found themselves being drawn into the walls.

Their bodies formed the mortar that would hold this new structure together. Their mouths were placed facing inwards, so that all could hear the moans of ecstasy and cries of agony that Slaanesh could bring to those that it favoured.

The upper spires became dens of decadence and excess. The middle hive is a gathering place where all can worship Slaanesh in any manner they choose. The hive itself has been transformed into a grand temple to the worship of Slaanesh

timid spruce
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Oh my god.

signal bramble
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“Once a proud Fortress World, guarding the original sector capital planet of Verronus, Bulwark has been claimed by the worshippers of Khorne. Unlike on Venkrous, the Warp itself did not mutate the planet; instead all of the atrocities that were committed in the years following the appearance of the Anomaly were perpetrated by the citizens of Bulwark.

Once, mighty bastions of adamantium and steel stood firm against the enemies of the Imperium. Now, these same structures have become charnel houses, the inhabitants constantly offering up sacrifices to the Blood God.

Where Aquilas once stood proud over the buildings of the Adeptus Munitorum, now sit Flesh Hounds of Khorne, perched and waiting for the chance to satiate their eternal hunger with the blood of those that offend their master.

Skulls, both Human and daemon, decorate every outcropping. Walls are lined with spikes, and the aqueducts pump a never-ending torrent of blood into the seas.

While these crimes are despicable, the greatest atrocity was saved for the Grand Temple of the God-Emperor. The beautiful stained glass windows, once multi-coloured and depicting scenes of the Emperor's glory, now are stained only with the blood of those few priests who kept true to their faith in Bulwark's darkest hour.

The skulls of the priesthood were taken from their bodies and placed in a mound in front of the altar. The altar itself, previously depicting a scene of Sebastian Thor being touched by the hand of the Emperor, has been twisted to show the saint slaying the Emperor with an axe.

Behind the altar now sits a throne of bronze, stained red with the blood of those used to appease their patron, and upon it sits the lord of this planet, the Daemon Prince Krakiota.

With a Juggernaut of Khorne to either side, Krakiota hears the pleas and supplications of his followers. Those that he deems to be worthy are offered the ultimate reward; their life's blood is taken from them and poured into a goblet made from the skull of the former Planetary Governor.

This goblet is then blessed and offered directly to the Blood God himself, in hopes that he will bring victory and bloodshed to his warrior-worshippers.”

timid spruce
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Brutal

signal bramble
sweet tusk
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I often wonder about the management and logistics of a Chaos world. Like... sure, blood for the blood god and all that, but at the end of the day, you still have to field a fleet if you wanna make any progress in the Great War. Seeing the perspective of the one guy sitting at a desk, fielding munitions depot requisitions while daemons swarm around him would be so fucking funny.

summer rover
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they have a simple solution: chaos bullshit. and if that don't work, use more chaos bullshit.

signal bramble
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The chaos marines also have planets whose purpose is to tithe slaves.

balmy tusk
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New ratling just dropped

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barren tapir
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Maybe withing all the fixes they did they also fixed the quotes the chars do, so maybe they will be more varied

rare raptor
honest trellis
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those are occupied worlds not the home worlds

rare raptor
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Do we have a lore reason to think Chaos home worlds are fundamentally different? I know there is bullshittery in the Warp so not referring to that, but I mean chaos real space planets

celest dome
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When you say Chaos Home World you mean world that were corrupted to chaos ?

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Cause even normal Hive Worlds are very different from one another

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Like Vahalan being a Hive World that is covered in Ice, while others like Necromunda are surrounded by Ash Wastes and Sludge Seas

nocturne crest
north lotus
rare raptor
# celest dome When you say Chaos Home World you mean world that were corrupted to chaos ?

There is reference to Chaos planets in the warp where the laws of physics no longer apply and so whatever chaos warp nonsense they want can sustain those. I haven’t read every black library book obviously but the ones I have read paint a picture where slave labor, cruelty, and is the rule. In McNeill’s ultramarine books the main characters go on a punitive/redemptive quest and wind up on a warp planet full of iron warriors, and while there were plenty of horrors it was primarily still a slave labor/gulag/concentration camp vibe for denizens, with captured citizens and resources being funneled into the iron warriors manufactorums. Dan Abnett painted a similar picture, except with additional explanation for how conquered planets are plundered of their natural resources.

copper patrol
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also the old gw "there is as many as the plot requires"

rare raptor
rare raptor
arctic talon
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especially after the great rift opened

copper patrol
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it's very true for a lot of stuff, less so for 40k but for a lot of old fantasy lore it's very noticeable

arctic talon
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they aren't hurting for resources at all anymore

copper patrol
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10,000 high elves just died last week and they are at war again at full strength, but oh they are a dying race

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it's mainly for like eldar and stuff that it pops up, but warp fuckery does a solid in universe reason for why chaos is able to do what it does

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cuase like how much does a chaos marine actually need to like eat

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probably not much

arctic talon
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also like unironically there's a fuck ton of eldar in 40k

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like explcitly stated by GW

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they're just small in comparison to humanity

crisp heath
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Necrons actually are pretty rare in comparison to everything else but they get around it by having most of their population asleep on hidden worlds, and the fact that very few of them die permenantly in any given war and are instead shoved inside a new body somewhere miles away

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90% of the time killing a ton of necrons doesn't bother them and the way to defeat them is to prevent them from arriving at the battlfield in the first place

subtle ledge
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Is there a good book out there that covers the Orks with The Beast as a big part of it?

signal bramble
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Though I don’t recommend them, I consider that entire thing to be a catastrophe and the worst lore.

subtle ledge
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aww really thats sad, i was just watching a video where it mentioned the beast and it sounded very cool

arctic talon
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War of the beast novels are terrible unfortunately

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Pretty much every character in it is a stereotype or flanderized

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Also the ending is fucking stupid

open pumice
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YEah

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War of the beast is complaied about endlessly

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its not bad on its own

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but in 40k as a story its rough

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it drives against alot of pre established lore

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and it really could have been condensed down to half the novel space

orchid thicket
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You'd think the Imperium would deploy what tiny amount of Primaris marines they had when the Beast came to siege Terra LOL

open pumice
orchid thicket
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I thought they existed for 10,000 years. Guilliman was gone by then so Cawl should have started the project already

open pumice
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Their origins are dubious

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Cawl was working on them for 10000 years

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but whether they could truly be called functional a mere 1500 years after the heresy is rough

orchid thicket
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I imagine it was not so much the development of primaris geneseed and organs that was laborious and time-consuming but rather sneaking away production time and orders from manufactoria on Mars to produce an entire legion's worth of Primaris-pattern wargear since its obviously tech-heresy

open pumice
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I can't imagine the imperium taking that very well

orchid thicket
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Agreed. But what I want to say is that even after 5 years I still think Primaris marines are lame

open pumice
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I

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kinda understand what they are going for with them

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I think thye would be less lame if they werent just

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objectively worse than running firstborns

signal bramble
open pumice
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Imagine
space marines
but they dont get access to all the cool parts about the space marines kit
like DROP PODS and ASSAULT MARINES

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Angry blood angels player noises

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Anyway I run firstborn blood angels

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solves all my problems

torpid narwhal
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Whats a blank

open pumice
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theres an entire combat force of them: the sisters of silence

torpid narwhal
open pumice
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SO

open pumice
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and how it works?

torpid narwhal
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The basics

open pumice
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To kinda refresh ig

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The warp is the collection of all sentient lifes thoughts and feelings given manifestation

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more accurately: sentient life with souls

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Blanks have no soul

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it's not a figurative term, they are, literally, soulless

torpid narwhal
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They don't have emotions?

open pumice
north lotus
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Basically the result of this is psykers have seizures around them

open pumice
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but they have no soul

north lotus
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And there’s a field of discomfort around them for non witches

open pumice
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like if you think about it from a judeo-christian lense, when a normal person dies, they go to heaven or hell or wherever, when a blank or psychic null dies, nothing happens, they just, vanish

torpid narwhal
open pumice
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like, eisenhorn as an example

north lotus
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Either way, waving a <5 manlet blank in front of the daemon scares it

open pumice
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yes

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as such

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why the silent sisterhood exist

north lotus
open pumice
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jurgen isn't a blank

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he's just

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smelly

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yeah

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(this is a joke, he is a blank, but to people who don't know, they just assume he smells real bad)

torpid narwhal
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Whats a untouchable

orchid thicket
open pumice
orchid thicket
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Must have been what the Thunder Warriors felt LOL

open pumice
torpid narwhal
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Thanks thumbsup_ogryn

open pumice
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they were riffing on my copyright

orchid thicket
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They looked like warriors in ancient history but in power armor

open pumice
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My golden bois had already copyrighted that color scheme sorry

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they had to go

north lotus
torpid narwhal
open pumice
torpid narwhal
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Everything is a blank lol

open pumice
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blanks ahve alot of names

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souless, pariah, etc

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though depending on the faction that uses it

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it has some alternate meaning

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(such as pariahs from the necrons being engineered blanks)

north lotus
kind zephyr
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so jurgen doesn't actually smell, he probably isnt as ugly as people think so then either?

ruby crystal
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well, half and half

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Jurgen isn't the most hygienic guy out there

open pumice
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oh he smells

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like 100% his b/o can be smelt form the eastern seaboard

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but

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he is also a blank

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this is confirmed later when an inquisitor says the quiet part out loud

serene mist
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How do Fleet Based Chapters continue their ships without any sort of stationary support? For that matter, how do they get new hulls?

north lotus
plain bolt
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Someone should force Jurgen to bathe

open pumice
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He still smells!

serene mist
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The smell isn't physical

plain bolt
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... Oh

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Well that shut me up didn't it

serene mist
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It's the other people's souls/brains trying to translate someone not having a soul into something recognizable

open pumice
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his psychic blankness manifests itself as a maelific odour

serene mist
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Yes

plain bolt
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Ohhh right

open pumice
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differet psychic blanks manifest differently

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some make you angry

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some make you sad

serene mist
open pumice
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some make you uncomfortable

serene mist
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A lot of SM just appear for battles

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Then poof

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Gone

open pumice
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i'm sure guilliman would love to talk to you for the next 9 years about allt he intricacies of supplying a space amrine legion/chapter

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but thats considered a form of torture

serene mist
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I want to know how a ship gets into their hands dammit, how they upkeep left and right
It'd make for some interesting pressures wouldn't it?

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"We need more ships"

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How does that question get answered

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It seems interesting

open pumice
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like

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what do you mean

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new ships are made or recovered

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and then sent to rondevous with a fleet

serene mist
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Ah

open pumice
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like

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there is a supply chain, and things like that

serene mist
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Was under the impression that many Chapters just appear for a battle before fukkin off

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And that was that

north lotus
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Then there’s the occurrence border…which is unfortunately fan lore

serene mist
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What about the maraudering Chapters

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The ones who don't stick about in a rendezvous place

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Or rather, don't stick about in a general location for a rendezvous to be practicable

crisp heath
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Dude logistics are honestly one of the most interesting parts of war and I wish there was a lot more lore that dove into that as opposed to following individual soldiers in 40k

open pumice
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but I agree

crisp heath
open pumice
north lotus
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You have to remember, GW suffers from poor writing syndrome at times

open pumice
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give me "dorns guide to concrete and it's many definsible applications on an open or closed engagement theater"

serene mist
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Put all of em in a bag and that's a lethal weapon

open pumice
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he is just alpharious trying to make the ultra marines look bad

serene mist
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But the Ultramarines are bad

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That's their thing

north lotus
open pumice
crisp heath
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Honestly make an in-universe Codex Astartes with the level of faithfulness as the uplifting primer, it would sell

serene mist
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Don't GK sacrifice SoB

north lotus
serene mist
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Kek

crisp heath
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No rules, everything in-universe, original art, it'd be sold out day 1

open pumice
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that happened once in 5th ed

serene mist
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Good man

open pumice
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never mentioned again

crisp heath
north lotus
serene mist
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Thank god

open pumice
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just

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ignored

serene mist
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Wanted to see if we had any GK fans about

crisp heath
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Exorcists > GK

serene mist
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Yep

open pumice
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simply be the real sons of the emporer

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custodes only faction that matters

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shoulda just let the primarchs be and had them rn the crusade smh

north lotus
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Way back

serene mist
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What's the most cringe thing for homebrew SM Chapters

north lotus
open pumice
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nah

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thats just funny

crisp heath
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Honestly my take is that the primarchs weren't really that important to Big E's overall plan and they were basically organ farms for making Space Marines, he only went back and collected them because he wanted to keep an eye on the superweapons he made instead of letting them fuck off and create opposing empires

open pumice
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Send valdor out for that

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ezpz

serene mist
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Loyalists from the Traitor Legions aren't up there for yall?

open pumice
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in HH 2.0 he turns half the primarchs into dust

open pumice
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it would not surprise me if 1000 of them got together and made a chapter

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or hell

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if like

serene mist
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I mean "they became Chapters" Loyalists

open pumice
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50 fo them got together and made a chapter

crisp heath
open pumice
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all you need is a marine and a apothecary to make a chapter

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like
it's not unbelievable that there are some chapters that use traitor genestock

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hell it's a very popular fan theory

serene mist
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Homebrew one I made was Iron Hands stock who'd mythicized Ferrus to godhood after fukkin off

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Tbh

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Was fun to write

open pumice
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ferrus manus be like: so no head

crisp heath
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I only have one homebrew chapter but I haven't really made much of them, I wanted to try writing characters of a different race without trying to make racist mistakes so I tried my hand a black chapter from a swamp world with a vague voodoo theme

serene mist
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Gulf Marchers was what I called them

open pumice
rose thorn
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Grey knights aren’t that bad :( I like space fbi

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And hero hammer

crisp heath
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Insert soyjack

open pumice
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I

serene mist
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Hot take, race should make sense for where the people come from but should not determine cultural characteristics

rose thorn
open pumice
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my brother in emperor

north lotus
rose thorn
serene mist
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^^

open pumice
rose thorn
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Shame death watch is boring as death on table top

open pumice
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my mans not black
my man is Black

serene mist
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Deathwatch also sorta bad to read ngl

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Very formulaic

north lotus
# rose thorn Deathwatch?

I kinda was meaning like “weird ass shit killers of 40k” kinda thing rather than xenos hunters

rose thorn
# open pumice

His home planet has so much vulcanic ash it makes their skin black

crisp heath
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40k has entirely different ethnicities from the real world and there's basically no ethnic tension because all of humanity is united against the xenos and the heretic, but also people like to get mad about anything that doesn't fit the way they were raised

rose thorn
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Im pretty sure it’s not even genetic

open pumice
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but my memory could be hazy

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either way the skintone isn't natturaly black yeah, its the effects of nocturn, their skintone is naturally like

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nomral skintone colors

crisp heath
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Vulkan's portrayal over the years has flip-flopped between looking like someone of African descent and looking like some kind of ripped demon, GW didn't want to commit to one or the other because they were worried they might pissed someone off regardless of what interpretation they went with

rose thorn
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So painting white salamanders is cannon, im pretty they just dip their new dudes into lava

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So it makes their skin black

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But I’m a raven guard fan

arctic talon
crisp heath
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Even the terran Salamanders had dark skin, because Vulkan's geneseed produces "melanchrome"

north lotus
crisp heath
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It's the same thing as Corax's geneseed making you pseudo-albino

rose thorn
rose thorn
open pumice
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I mean like

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paint your marine showever the hell you want

signal bramble
open pumice
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they cN be rainbow skinned for all I care lmao

signal bramble
rose thorn
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Fun fact! While other legions look less and less like their primarch over the generations, raven guard work the exact opposite!

crisp heath
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I did not think this would start an argument lmao

signal bramble
rose thorn
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The primarch’s genetic traits became more apparent towards the beginning of the HH and it caused fuckinh psychosis so people effected we re shoved into suicide squads

signal bramble
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The ethnicities mentioned in books usually focus on the planet of origin more than anything.

arctic talon
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There’s also salamander successors who aren’t all black

arctic talon
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What planet you’re from matters alot more

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Or if you’re voidborn

north lotus
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What is a voidborb?

signal bramble
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He meant voidborne.

crisp heath
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Grew up on a space ship

arctic talon
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You might get lynched on some planets

north lotus
arctic talon
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For being too tall

serene mist
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Could a Chapter be entirely voidborn

arctic talon
open pumice
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i.e.

crisp heath
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yeah

open pumice
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dark angels

serene mist
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Neato

arctic talon
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Charcaradons

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White counsels

crisp heath
arctic talon
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Charnel guard

arctic talon
signal bramble
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Well a chapter being voidborne doesn’t mean all their brothers were born in space. A lot of them still recruit from planets.

open pumice
arctic talon
serene mist
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I mean like
Entirely voidborn
Literally no one from a planet

north lotus
arctic talon
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As far as we know no

signal bramble
arctic talon
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It isn’t that sustainable

signal bramble
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It’s plausible.

open pumice
arctic talon
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But it’s doable

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Tbh

rose thorn
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I’m having flash backs

crisp heath
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I mean some ships do have populations comparable to non-hive world planets

rose thorn
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To that guy from a few months ago

arctic talon
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Which guy

signal bramble
rose thorn
signal bramble
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And a chance at a better life plus one less mouth to feed.

arctic talon
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💀

open pumice
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LMAO

serene mist
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Damn ok

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Well then

arctic talon
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Ain’t no fuckin way

open pumice
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Yeah i'ma need some screenies

rose thorn
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Yeah he said all space marines should be white lmao

north lotus
rose thorn
serene mist
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Sounds like a troll

crisp heath
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Hey guys, check out my homebrew chapter, the Amber Alerters, and their flagship, White 2015 Cheverolet

rose thorn
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Probably

north lotus
rose thorn
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But there is some whacky shit

open pumice
north lotus
crisp heath
rose thorn
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Oh lmao

serene mist
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I wonder what sort of cultures would arise for a Chapter that's entirely voidborn

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What sort of group it'd be

open pumice
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my most pressing concern with the voidborn is

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what is sex in 0 G like

signal bramble
serene mist
north lotus
crisp heath
serene mist
signal bramble
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Yeah.

open pumice
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the weekly 0 g disco

signal bramble
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Being stuck in space on a cramped ship and going through the warp will probably have some detrimental effects in mental health.

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Hell they might even be weirded out the first time they step on to a planet.

arctic talon
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There’s a voidborn serf

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In a book I forgot

serene mist
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?

arctic talon
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Who says his whole body hurts

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When he’s on a planet for the first time ever

serene mist
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Talons of Horus?

arctic talon
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It’s post heresy

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Since it’s got a Mentor

serene mist
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Huh

north lotus
serene mist
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Seems reminiscent of the start to the Foundation series

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Tbh

crisp heath
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I'm trying to remember which book it was, but I remember a voidborn captain who was extremely phobic of going planetside

signal bramble
open pumice
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sounds like a caiphas cain character ngl

north lotus
crisp heath
signal bramble
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But I think if a person spent their whole life on a starship where “going outside” means death. Wide open spaces would probably be really uncomfortable.

serene mist
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So there are several instances of Chapters getting a space hulk as a base of operations
I wonder how one actually controls the warp transit of that sort of object when space hulks are noted to randomly enter the warp

crisp heath
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Space Hulks can be retrofitted and restored, or made "safe" and allowed to continue drifting

open pumice
crisp heath
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That's basically the whole theme of the current Arks of Omen plot, although it's being done by Chaos instead of the Imperium

open pumice
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thank you vashtorr

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based as hell forge man

crisp heath
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Same braincell

open pumice
crisp heath
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Orks also "restore" space hulks, but that usually just involves strapping a big fucking rocket to the back of it

open pumice
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i see nothing wrong here, and neither do gork and/or mork

serene mist
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Lol

crisp heath
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Does anyone know the last time Rainbow Warriors were mentioned?

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like, most recently published book

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The most I've found is a very passing name drop in the 8th edition Space Marine codex

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ope, found a short story they actually appear in from 2020

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apparently the same story drops lore about necrons (or at least Trazyn's) genitals, which is not what I was expecting

open pumice
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Trazyn cock

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Bottom text

serene mist
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uh

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What

crisp heath
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Yeah I skipped to that part immediately, ||Trazyn is apparently disgusted by the idea that humans urinate with their genitals and strongly implies Necrons only have one hole for waste elimination and an entirely seperate genital, lovely detail|| spoiler: necron junk discussion

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The story is "The War in the Museum"

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Or I guess the Necrontyr did have that, unless the robots piss, which would be an equally interesting detail

open pumice
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Piss bot

orchid thicket
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which I don't think would be a good idea since they'd be frailer than a planet-dwelling human being

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But I'm sure they have the technology to render this point entirely moot

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and certainly it would be easy for the Imperium to get 1G on a space structure anyway

plush mason
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so can an imperator class titan be garrisoned by troops?

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outside of the church on their back ofc

arctic talon
plush mason
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thought so

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must be one hell of a post

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tho who would it be normally?

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i assume skitarii

celest dome
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Secutarii and in some case personal armies of the Knight Planets

arctic talon
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Lots of servitors

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Secutarii usually are outside a titan

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Fighting at its feet or being ahead of it

hardy root
plush mason
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is a secutarii some variation of a skitarii?

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yeah seems they are

latest.png
hardy root
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Ooh they look neat

plush mason
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yeah

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this is a hoplite

latest.png
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and emperor am i a sucker for a good spear and shield look

celest dome
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They are and aren't at the same time

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They basically have the same upgrades (Though better quality) but aren't under the same command chain

plush mason
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i see

solar canopy
ruby crystal
plush mason
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they dont use shields with their spears tho

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nor do they even use spears

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they use glaives

ruby crystal
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Ah so different category

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Excuse me, im not familiar with tabletop models, lore only guy here

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Im guessing the necron weapons also classify as glaives not spears

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Wait a sec isn't the custodes weapons called guardian spear??? @plush mason

plush mason
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yes

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but they are clearly glaives due to the blade design

ruby crystal
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Valdor himself wields a spear too

plush mason
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its a classic case of misnamed weapon

ruby crystal
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I hear guardian spear and i take it at face value i suppose

plush mason
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fair

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and technically all polearms like the glaive are a form of spear

ruby crystal
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Trajan wields an axe tho if iirc

crimson kayak
sharp grove
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Reading through the Aeldari codec but haven't seen an explanation- what is a "warhost"?

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Can't tell if it's a title bestowed to an individual, an army of eldar, a specific craftworld, etc