40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

Each houses has outside Gangs, which are less important, and are less surveyed by the Houses

[coarse mirage]

thump Cheese

[echo vault]

I sound dumb but was monarchia a city in Colchis or its own planet

[barren tapir]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/01/dBPwdpBWD1J1b6jS.jpg

Anyone know if the right most guy, the one with red armour, is from an established regiment?

[arctic talon]

Miasman red cowls

They use flamethrowers that smell really bad

And burn really hot

[barren tapir]

I said right, not left

[arctic talon]

Oh

I’m blind

Lmao my bad

[barren tapir]

I knew all the others

[arctic talon]

Uhhh

I don’t think so

I was gona say vresh

But they’re grey

[arctic talon]

Looks like cadian 108th

Just checked the 8e guard codex

[barren tapir]

I went for that too, but only the armour colour would match

[arctic talon]

Sorry 43rd

Not 108th

[barren tapir]

Yeah, the red armoured one

[arctic talon]

It’s the same image

108th have the red clothes + armor

[barren tapir]

Oh ok, thanks

Intriguing they get autoguns

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

probably just an artistic choice

GW usually provide freelance artists with lots of specific reference sheets

[barren tapir]

A curious one, although to be fair, that guard seems to have had a rough time, so maybe it is scavenged stuff

[arctic talon]

Honestly it looks cool

[storm jungle]

hes following the darktide meta strat clearly

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[barren tapir]

Heavy braced all the way... Also the only one that is decent if i follow some people

Wait a sec... Has heavy braced autogun gone into the meta?

[arctic talon]

It’s one of the really good options iirc

[barren tapir]

The last issue of the regimental standard is weirdly reasonable

[arctic talon]

Rip the drink cup

In the new sentinel

The Adeptus mechanicus are truly cruel

[wary mesa]

hey guys

just a quick reminder that Horus did nothing wrong

[celest dome]

None with the Emperor's Dna did anything right

[obtuse comet]

the Emperor has got to be a chaos god, i mean come on... 1000 human souls a day to continue living. Suspect.

[storm jungle]

Hes pretty sussy

[plush mason]

that is both great and cursed in equal measure

[arctic talon]

[slender orchid]

Nah. in 8th brood bros were a subfaction basically. You could build entire detachments with them. 9th said no more. Quite possibly because of the updated codex that buffed GSC, and mixing that with artillery or Russes could be really strong. Even 500 points, so about 3-4 Russes can be huge in a list.

[arctic talon]

👍

[rose thorn]

Yeah I’m gonna make a brood bother themed army

Take an extra magnus and have that as the pyker and brood up everything else

I’m just not sure what regiment pre brooding they would be

I’m just not sure what regiment pre brooding they would be

[honest trellis]

Autoguns are a common veteran gaurd thing

and a common PDF thing

[shadow plover]

https://youtu.be/U7qkIXfJMEQ @storm jungle wonder how many people stuck in 2008 got their nipples in a twist from this PancreasNoWork video

[storm jungle]

Lmao thats a great video, have watched it

pancreas is slowly becoming one of my favorite 40k youtubers

[shadow plover]

he be doing good

[storm jungle]

🙏

[shadow plover]

but I do quite disagree with some of his halo x 40k takes as a fan of both

but eh oh well

[storm jungle]

yeah but i do appreciate he does say "this is just my own personal bias speaking"

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the one about precursors and the flood are alright imo

Flood are literally tyranid+ once you give them enough biomass to space travel

Precursors/Forerunners are Necron/Old Ones level of tech and not afraid to use it, so it makes sense they would dominate

[floral siren]

Flood require sentience to infect though

Tyranids can turn a forest into an army

[crimson kayak]

Only basic combat forms

[floral siren]

Tyranids>Necromorphs>Flood>Xenomorphs

In order of self propagating

[crimson kayak]

No wait my bad, confused them with another one, they do need sentience

But luckily for them the 40k has a big overpopulation problem

[floral siren]

And a lack of Halo weapons

[crimson kayak]

Eh

They will just learn to use 40k ones

[floral siren]

No I mean. The Halo itself is an anti flood weapon

[crimson kayak]

Oh

Then yes

[floral siren]

It emits a pulse that kills all sentient life in a massive radius

Like a subsector

[crimson kayak]

Yes yes, I just confused Halo the object with Halo the title

[floral siren]

The Necromorphs are scarier

While they can't repurpose all organic matter. They can repurpose all meat

[crimson kayak]

Necromorphs are basically Flood with a sprinkle of chaos in them

[floral siren]

That sprinkle of chaos though

Great for self propagating

[crimson kayak]

Yep, and once they get their first living moon it's basically game over for everyone

[floral siren]

Out of Necromorphic entities? Don't worry, once humans find you they'll let themselves be corrupted again

[crimson kayak]

I'd put the flood higher only because with the exception of "pure" forms like the scrapped tank etch... They can learn to use all your shit just by gobbling up one of your race

Technically speaking you could start finding Floods with Wraith bone armor because they ate a Bonesinger once

[celest dome]

Imagine they eat the population of a Forge World

And it's a Xenarite one to boot

Flood with Necron tech

[crimson kayak]

Yep, and remember that even eliminating that forge world with exterminatus doesn't remove that knowledge from the Hive mind because fuck your synapse creatures we are galaxy wide 5g signal

Also the moment a flood gets an ork its over

[storm jungle]

Flood are basically broken OP

That video was extremely accurate imo

the fact that they can infect reality itself already says a lot

[shadow plover]

🩸

[storm jungle]

TYPO

AAA-

[shadow plover]

unforgiven

[storm jungle]

[crimson kayak]

Wich tbf, Necromorphs would have a problem with Orks because they are not meat, they are fungus

[floral siren]

Wait what?

[storm jungle]

Yeah LMAO

[shadow plover]

the covenant video is the one that comes to mind that I disagree with

[storm jungle]

Also as pancreas said the problem with the flood is every person they consume is more battle-information for them, the moment a flood form infects an imperial commander or high-ranking individual your army is basically fucked

[shadow plover]

haven't watched if he has one on humans/spartans

[storm jungle]

nids meanwhile just murder you

[crimson kayak]

Covenant are just large scale tau without the mech and with efficient space travel

[shadow plover]

yeah, and arguably less effective than tau

[floral siren]

Orks are fungus and animal at a cellular level

[crimson kayak]

Would they still count as meat or plant for Necromorphs?

[storm jungle]

Meat id say

the problem is necromorphs also work at a psychic level too

[crimson kayak]

Because tyranid want biomass and they got it, flood want your brain and they got it

[storm jungle]

Flood meanwhile is hazardous in any form

[floral siren]

It's described as the fu gal and animal parts of an Ork are in perfect harmony

Getting the meat could get the fungus too

If not I'd say 50% mass absorbed

[crimson kayak]

I just know that if flood get an ork, they would repurpose it on the spot to throw infector form spores instead of his normal ones and then it's over

[storm jungle]

Yep pretty much

a flood microbe is a lot more "hostile" than an ork fungus

it would as you say repurpose it immediately without any trouble

Octarius war has a similiar scenario where ork and tyranid microbes actually fight on a microscopic level in one lore page

[robust zephyr]

So just to make sure I have the colors right. Regular blood angels have all red armor, Close combot support blood angels have yellow helmets,blood angel sergents have black pauldrons with red lining and blue helmets and blood angel veterans have the same except with gold helmets?

[crimson kayak]

I mean, we see it in game too, when an infector gets you you are done, repurposed on the spot like a necromorph but with guns and armor

[storm jungle]

pretty much yeah all it takes is one physical contact/touch lol

[storm jungle]

One moment i gotchu fam

[crimson kayak]

Fuck adapting to face our enemy, let's adapt to be the face of our enemy

[storm jungle]

perfect strategy

[robust zephyr]

Exactly what I needed

[storm jungle]

[floral siren]

According to the Codex Astartes, the pauldron trim color is for what company of a chapter they're in

Iirc

[storm jungle]

yeah mine is a bit old as you can tell but i think its kind of the same principle still

[storm jungle]

they MIGHT have tweaked it with the primaris release

let me see

wait no the trim was for Ultras i think

[shadow plover]

ultramarines at least have pretty clear cut company colour trims, not that sure about blood angels

[floral siren]

The detail was mentioned in Avenging Son

[storm jungle]

Avenging Son? Yeah then thats Ultras i think

[floral siren]

Which is the book that first featured Primaris

[storm jungle]

i cant think of any other chapter than them that uses pauldron trims as company designation

[floral siren]

White Consuls actually was who it was discussed by, stating that that was part of the Codex Guilliman set out

[storm jungle]

yeee they are successors so it makes sense

[floral siren]

I'm just saying it's in lore. Part of the Codex. I don't know how closely that's followed by other chapters

Blood Angels seem to mostly follow the Codex in terms of organization

[storm jungle]

its mostly also miniature appearance dependant

since they sometimes attempt to not make it so close looking color/designation wise with the other chapters as to look "unique"

[shadow plover]

seems the blood angels do it with shoulder markings instead of trim colours

[floral siren]

Wonder what the different trim means to them then

[shadow plover]

don't think I've seen different trims on them

[floral siren]

The image witch finder posted

One of them has black trim

[shadow plover]

oh that yeah

guess it's just decoration

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats just artistic choice

the others are pretty on point tho

[balmy tusk]

Say what you want about Hired Gun, but its depiction of hive drip was pretty nice.

Orlock Gangers.

[storm jungle]

the only good thing about the game is the visual design is ON POINT yeah

i literally load it up constantly for art references and such at times, its very useful

[balmy tusk]

The ambots were kinda neat too

Everyone's like "what are these clown pants" for the current cosmetics, like that's somehow strange even for hivers

I really do hope FS go a little more balls to the wall with hive scum drip in the future, we already know about the colored hair at least

[gaunt sable]

Hired Gun nails the Necromunda Aesthetic.

[crimson kayak]

It's even funnier when Psyker got even brighter "clown pants" and people only bitched about the vet ones

[mystic geyser]

And ofc I want full medieval frills..

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the moment they drop a feudal guardsman skin I'll be like shut up and take my money

But the crusader sets is meh at best already so I don't have high hopes

[crimson kayak]

Of even a vitrian dragoon skin

[mystic geyser]

There are so many cool regiments available

[celest dome]

Vitrian aren't really Feudal
They are napoleonic

[crimson kayak]

just meant is as "cool regiment i would like to a skin of"

[mystic geyser]

@crimson kayak if they could programme in the glass clinking...

[vivid turtle]

curious about these guns the Venetari custodes cast use

wiki says they're kinetic destroyers so are they just like really buffed revolvers?

[crimson kayak]

basically yeah

master crafted, archeotech revolvers

[vivid turtle]

would be funny if these were like standard issue for Daot police

[crisp heath]

You can just bet some random ass backwater world is using what the rest of the Imperium consider ‘premium’ to arm police 😂

[vivid turtle]

inb4 lasguns were previously just BB guns for Daot kids but with a permanent safety setting

[rose thorn]

ISHDIEHWJVDHABAH WTF IS THAT

HAHAHAGAHAHAHA

[crimson kayak]

Says the faction with the bat-boys

[rose thorn]

They look like they can actually fucking fly, the custodies look like they would fall out of the sky in seconds lmao

[shadow plover]

they've got jets on their backs though

[crimson kayak]

Remember that one is a fancy jump pack the other are steampunk wings

[barren tapir]

As much i hate those abominations i must state that those wings have jets too

[crimson kayak]

Also yeah, it can fly but when you have the wing-span of a Boeing trust me that those wings are not gonna last long

[barren tapir]

It is super dumb and an abomination, that is all i have to say about those awful mini, same with the cowboys skitarii, which sully the name skitarii with their existance

[shadow plover]

nah the riders are very cool

[barren tapir]

No they aren't

[vivid turtle]

what're those

are those skiitari?

[crimson kayak]

Yep

[vivid turtle]

wack

[crimson kayak]

Skitarii are just the least optimal approach they could take to fill a certain role

Maybe the only ones that save themselves are rust stalkers and rangers

[celest dome]

Love my Skitarii

Even the horsed ones

[barren tapir]

I exchange ruststalkers with vanguard, vanguard are nice if you don't give them stupid rad weapons

At least, i remember you could give them plasma calivers, so that they wouldn't be killed by their own weapons

[signal bramble]

The skitarii and servitors we see on the table top are just for that. Skitarii and servitors we see in books are always specially designed for their specific role.

[crimson kayak]

Still doesn't mean they have to take the most complicated approach to that role

[signal bramble]

Yes it does. They’re the Admech.

[crimson kayak]

Good point

[crisp heath]

Are there any necrons allied to the inquisition the same way some farseers are?

[celest dome]

You mean have Necron had Diplomatic ties with Inquisitor or Necron who have worked with/in the Inquisitor's group

[crisp heath]

Basically any longstanding arrangement between a necron and one or more inquisitors, where neither partner is forced into the arrangement

[celest dome]

I think it's much more rarer as Necron with individuality are not the majority of their species

But I think Trazyn had some relation with some Inquisitors

Maybe Greyfax but I don't exactly remember what

[spark relic]

He imprisoned Greyfax in a tesseract labyrinth, they might not be on the best of terms

[celest dome]

I mean, he is a Necron

For all I know this is standard hosting procedure

[torpid narwhal]

is Betancore black? im trying to imagine the characters in my head when reading and hes the only one i cant find art of.

[winter ridge]

i hate these models

[celest dome]

From what I can see yes

[winter ridge]

hope we get these:

[barren tapir]

Isn't this fan art?

[winter ridge]

idc

[barren tapir]

Guess that is the same answer they say when you ask for those minis then

[winter ridge]

wtf is 'they'?

[torpid narwhal]

do space marines come out of their armor?

[winter ridge]

yes

[celest dome]

Yes

They aren't bonded to it like Skitarii

[winter ridge]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y3DsHGDRQ5M

[celest dome]

(Shame in my opinion)

[torpid narwhal]

becuase i saw that video of it getting put on and its like drilled in

[barren tapir]

Model makers

[torpid narwhal]

what if they have to shit

[winter ridge]

they hold it

[torpid narwhal]

did knights shit themselvs?

[winter ridge]

one of their lesser known powers

[crisp heath]

It has to be bolted together, an then unbolted to be removed

There's lots of official portrayals of unarmored space marines

[torpid narwhal]

ya i saw that so what if you eat abunch of space taco bell

[crisp heath]

Oh boy I get to talk about the sewage recycling

[winter ridge]

he's taking a shit right now

[crisp heath]

So the armor collects feces and urine and then refines and recycles it into any usable nutrients and space marines can eat their own shit that's been processed by the suit in survival situations

[torpid narwhal]

nobody laughed at my space taco bell joke

[winter ridge]

😐

[torpid narwhal]

does warhammer have a space taco bell?

[crisp heath]

Probably on Necromunda

[torpid narwhal]

it was made by nurgle

[winter ridge]

😐

[torpid narwhal]

it makes sense by the way taco bell makes you feel

[arctic talon]

[unborn sapphire]

Where is the safest place in 40k

[winter ridge]

probably tau space-- specific au'tall which is like a garden world

i cant think of anyweher else

[crimson kayak]

Technically the webway

[mystic geyser]

where the dark eldar live.. lol

[crimson kayak]

Eh, they live in a secluded point hidden from the rest of the webway

By itself it's literally another dimension where inside you can even have your personal dimensional space

[winter ridge]

isnt it covered in daemons right now?

[winter ridge]

lol

[winter ridge]

if ur a certain kind of eldar maybe

i guess ur right though

a pocket dimension would be safe

[celest dome]

In an certain's Necron Phase Museum

[crimson kayak]

There's a bunch of shit in the webway too, didn't catch up if there were daemons or similar

I only remember that the king in yellow has his personal army of genetic warp fuckers in there

[celest dome]

Webway is a bit like the Fantasy Underway

Was very good and safe, and still is if you keep to well maintained parts

But a lot of the paths are not safe anymore

[crimson kayak]

Btw yeah, if we ever get a king in yellow themed army I would buy the shit out of it

Angel marines, military trained and enhanced blanks, daemonhosts that actually work, shits cool there.

Lol

[mystic geyser]

Also that wasn't the webway.. but similar

[crimson kayak]

Uh it wasn't?

[mystic geyser]

I mean, not the way I read it 🤷 but maybe

Like still a warp pocket dimension..

[crimson kayak]

From what I remember it was said it was the webway, but It could just be lexicanum reads mixing up with what I read of the books

Oh, just checked

It's an unlabeled "pocket dimension"

[storm jungle]

Yeah 40k uses those a lot

looks at necrons

https://tenor.com/view/the-princess-bride-inigo-montoya-meaning-are-you-sure-of-that-gif-7536490

[outer wave]

Would be cool if there was a faction that had no access to FTL tech but were notorious within their own space

I think every faction has access to something like warp travel, webways, pocket dimensions, etc

Actually maybe except tyranids

[barren tapir]

It was a pocket dimension withing the warp, nothing linked to webway either

It is literally some space in the warp that somehow doesn't have any warp entity, nor it is known to other warp entities

If that isn't a mcguffin i don't know what it is

Probably the only thing worse is the faith shiz that sob have currently

[grand briar]

[winter ridge]

the bullshit is spreading too

sob/emps, tau and it kind of sounds like lov

[arctic talon]

honestly safest place to stay in if you're allowed in

is prolly the black library

its in the heart of the webway, highly defended and no one is allowed in without permission from an Eldar God lol

[arctic talon]

Nids have FTL travel

its just weird

They used a specalized nid bioform called a Narvhal or something

To help them calculate how to get somewhere and find planets

[outer wave]

Cringe

[arctic talon]

There’s a minor xenos species without it

With a large empire

I forgor their name

[outer wave]

Were they enslavers?

[arctic talon]

No

Enslavers literally have access to the warp

Q’ori

Is what they’re called

You’re never gona have a major faction with no ftl in 40k

Because it’s literally necessary to maintain an empire

[north lotus]

Technically tyranids aren’t FTL capable, but they probably just shotgun blast Genestealers, and then use the lights as a guide

[crisp heath]

Tyranids have Narvhals which function like Star Trek warp drives

[north lotus]

That and the whole “nids have a fuck off chaos” field

Which I hate

[crisp heath]

The shadow?

[north lotus]

Yes. Basically that means partially why they are capable of living in spacehulks

Which is another method of seeding.

“Seeding” is basically what I call genestealer vectors.

[crisp heath]

The Shadow in the Warp doesn't really affect Chaos that has already manifested though

[north lotus]

Ah

Didn’t know that

[crisp heath]

The Shadow fucks up the connection between realspace and warp, but nothing that actually exists on either side

[north lotus]

Thought it just makes daemons disappear thanks to the fact you have ludicrous amounts of psychically tuned active creatures entering the area

[crisp heath]

I mean the whole way tyranids work is just a big ??? on psykers, its hard to tell if the kinds of psykers tyranids have are the same as the ones other species have, they pretty much interact with the warp in a totally different way than everything else

[north lotus]

I was more referring to the fact you have a ton of life forms entering a area

[storm jungle]

Its basically the same as most other 40k psykers, the only difference being they draw their powers from the hivemind instead of the Warp, you can still distrupt or use it against them.

[crisp heath]

yeah I was mostly talking from a pendantic nerd perspective lmao. It's kind of ambiguous is the hivemind exists as a single shared soul in the warp or if they have no presence in the warp at all

[storm jungle]

oof

[arctic talon]

They have a really big presence in the warp iirc

That’s what the shadow in the warp is

[north lotus]

He’s wondering if it’s a bunch of souls or just one giant soul

[arctic talon]

Oh

Good question

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure one giant soul

the nids are like tendrils to the bigger "mass" that is the main collective

its kind of how a hivemind would work

[north lotus]

I go with the former, mainly because when a synapse or major commander bug get’s killed it leads to infighting

I think

[storm jungle]

Yeah it does.

Thats more their psychic connection severing

so i dont think a "soul" really gets left in the nids at that point

[north lotus]

There’s where I’m messing up.

[storm jungle]

One problem is we are also putting more thought into this than Black Library probably did

[north lotus]

Anyways, promethium.

[outer wave]

Anyways, Ogres vs Tyranids

[north lotus]

No more qwestions, skewoton king bweaks yow hands

[crisp heath]

I really just want a blank to end up next to a swarm lord just once. What the fuck happens when something that is clearly at least as intelligent as the most experienced and important humans in the Imperium gets an off switch hit on it's rational mind?

[north lotus]

I think that’s a ciaphas cain question

[arctic talon]

Anything ignitable

Is promethium technically

It’s a catch all word

[north lotus]

Man I’m working through Tex’s podcast

And that one was majestic

[prime horizon]

Sometimes the psyker will say by the 5 which I assume is in reference to the 4 chaos gods and big E

[outer wave]

It could but also could refer to the 5h chaos God, Malice even if he's non canon

[arctic talon]

He’s canon

He’s just irrelevant

Like all the other minor chaos gods

If we want to count all the minor chaos gods we’d be at like 6 or 7

In 40k

[outer wave]

Really? I only know of that one new character GW introduced as a model who is trying to ascend into major chaos godhood

The one that basically builds daemon engines for everyone

[arctic talon]

Vashtorr isn’t even a minor chaos god

He’s just a really big warp entity

[outer wave]

Who are the 6-7 then?

[arctic talon]

Counting minor chaos gods

The big 4

Malice, the raptor god, and one of the sources of the obliterator virus

So the big 4 + Malice + the raptor god + something that might exist

[outer wave]

Really? I thought the Obliterator Virus was just sort of created as terminators fell to chaos out of nowhere

Not something that actually stemmed from any specific source

[arctic talon]

No it’s pretty much pure warp stuff

But there’s 3 sources that are debated in universe

Perturabo and Mortarion made it

It’s from an unknown entity who blesses people

And it’s massive chaotic mutation with daemonic influence

And no one can agree what it is in universe

Even among chaos factions

[outer wave]

You'd think Tzeentchian cults could have some semblance of an answer

[arctic talon]

Lol

I feel like they’d get different answers

There’s also the 4th one which says nurgle made it but that one is disproven in universe

[outer wave]

Who disproves it?

Or how is it disproven?

[arctic talon]

Mortarion says it isn’t

He might he lying

But that source hasn’t been brought up since 3e

And Mortarion said nurgle didn’t do it in one of the 8e books

But he might be lying

But it seems like a way for GW to soft retcon it

[outer wave]

Not sure why he'd lie about it

[arctic talon]

Idk

Just a possibility

Anyways if I had my wish I’d get more minis related to the raptor god but eh

Doesn’t matter

[outer wave]

Id want minis related to the minor gods generally

Or Ogre Kingdoms but 40k'd

Either or would be cool

[arctic talon]

That would be fun

I honestly hope we never get an actual name for The Raptor God

Because it sort of keeps that sense of mystery as to what it actually is

Might be terror seeing as Raptors are terror troops

[outer wave]

Interesting that the chaos god of terror itself is just a minor god

[arctic talon]

It’s just a possibility

I’m just guessing because the Raptor cults make terrifying noises with their armor + jump packs on purpose

And have a bunch of vox speakers on them to scream

[outer wave]

Interesting

[umbral escarp]

As a planet has ever fell to corruption but brought back out of corruption?? I feel like the death grieg is one such story but I'm not sure.

[serene mist]

Krieg hasn't really been "brought back" tbh

Maybe Vostroya? They refused to tithe and pay the price now

[north lotus]

Cadia, necromunda, Armageddon, although Armageddon is technically 3 times if you include REDACTED and REDACTED

[serene mist]

Lol

[tropic tapir]

So uh... I always thought that chaos was the consequence of the War in Heaven and that the Eldar was created by the old ones to fight necrons. But someone cited "Rise of Ynari:Wild Rider" that both Aeldari and Necrontyr used to allied against chaos. Which bloody contradicts even GW own lore since that implies chaos was a thing before war of the heaven.

Wut

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/209843216227368962/1066528604416114768/Screenshot_20230121-183429_Reddit.jpg?width=578&height=670

The chaos codex says that chaos was around pre War in heaven

the 7e ones specifically

So it doesn't contradict GW's most modern lore

hell we didn't have much lore on the war in heaven in the first place

and if you mention TTS the way it describes the birth of chaos is wrong

and hasn't been lore accurate since like 2e

People paroting the war in heaven birthed chaos haven't read the fucking codex

[tropic tapir]

So wait the lore evolves/changes with each edition like DC reboots?

[arctic talon]

No

2e isn't canon

lol

anything before 3e isn't relevant to modern 40k lore

we just didn't have any lore on the birth of chaos till 5e

[tropic tapir]

Like SW:L and Disney's star war?

[arctic talon]

and 7e elaborated more on how long chaos has been around

[arctic talon]

no

2e is straight up

not relevant

because there's a lot of silly things from back then

All the primarchs were humans

marines were just criminals

[tropic tapir]

Iirc human eldar hybrids

[arctic talon]

Eldar used Land Raiders

That one was Rogue trader

which is even earlier lul

also Chaos Androids™️

[north lotus]

There were no episodes after 6

[tropic tapir]

Come again? Men of iron Chaos eidition?

[arctic talon]

They're what Necrons used to be

necrons didn't exist till 3e

They were Chaos Androids™️

They were made by Chaos Squats

they were very silly looking

[tropic tapir]

Yeah james cameron called he wants his terminator models back

[arctic talon]

also someones very goopy epic scale Chaos Androids

[arctic talon]

they had a rule called We'll be back lul

which Necrons also had in 3e

before getting renamed to reanimation protocols in 4e

3e still had a lot of goofily named rules

but 4e pretty much got rid of most of them

[north lotus]

I mean, I do want chaos squats back, if only because praise hashut.

[sinful arrow]

Like whats the point of that pilot scene when you hit lvl 17 or 18?

Why does she thinks she important? youre a god damn pilot.

[arctic talon]

She's in command of all the other pilots

thats why

and unironicially pilots in 40k usually have huge ego's if they survive long term

because they have a super high mortality rate

and also they're higher ranked then you so

[north lotus]

Beware the old man in a profession where men die young

[arctic talon]

Yeah the fact Mesozi is still alive is a miracle lol

most pilots just die horrifically lol

especially since 1 bad krak missile hit lore wise

can just blow you out of the sky

also even worse a Flakk missile

which if it doesn't blow up the valk might just shred you alive inside the cockpit if it breaks the window

[north lotus]

Hey, it’s better than the health issues with door gunnery.

[arctic talon]

honestly the worst jobs in the Astra militarium/Aeronautica Imperalis prolly go

Conscript -> Guardsmen -> Pilot -> ground vehicle driver -> artillery operator

[north lotus]

Big ole ball o cancer

[arctic talon]

Because human aircraft in 40k are like

suprisingly fragile lol

The Moebian 6th have like plenty of weapons that can make a pilot regret their existance

Even if we don't see any heavy weapons teams

[north lotus]

Almost like speed is a important factor in aeronautics?!

[arctic talon]

its safe to assume they have them because missile launchers are cheap as hell

[arctic talon]

KEKW

I think the funniest thing involving Aeronautica Imperialis is

as a pilot is preparing to drop off a bunch of elysians

a krak missile flys through one door and out the other

completely missing the ship

and then a marine hits the Valkyrie with a bolter

and the thing gets a hole blown in the wing

[north lotus]

Solution: a10 Valkyrie.

[arctic talon]

lol

The A10 isn't even that good but its cool as fuck

so

[north lotus]

A cockpit that is a giant, armored, tub

[arctic talon]

lol

The helmet on the valkyrie is pretty well armored ironicially

we usually just get exerpts of things going to shit because its more intresting story wise

[arctic talon]

also this is the in lore A-10 warthog valk

[north lotus]

The point I’m making is build the bird to be as idiot proof as possible

[arctic talon]

lol

fair

thats the Arvus lander tbf

thats the idiot proof transport

Behold the brick

[serene mist]

A good brick

[north lotus]

It’s not red, thus it is a bad brick, tis now a cinder block.

[hardy root]

Would blood angels run faster when fighting orks as the orks see they are painted red?

And would any imperial fist they fight explode on death?

[serene mist]

No

[plush mason]

thats the stormraptor

[arctic talon]

the the Stormraptor is a vendetta gunship

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

not a valkyrie

[serene mist]

Isn't it a valk variant

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

ye

its got more guns

[serene mist]

So it's a valkyrie

...

[plush mason]

a vendetta is a valk that has been uparmed

[hardy root]

but what if enough orks believe in it

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

die

[serene mist]

No

Not enough orks would live long enough

Deepstrike is a fancy time

Praise

[hardy root]

Ork psychological color warfare is a serious topic lol

[arctic talon]

does mesozi's have 6 las cannons

[plush mason]

greenskins are for shooting. like all xenos

[arctic talon]

or does it have the hellstrike rack

and a single twin lascannon

[serene mist]

Unsure

[hardy root]

i dont think weve actually seen hers really yet

[serene mist]

I don't think I've seen

[hardy root]

since ingame we always get different pilots

atleast they didnt bother to put her into the pilot seat

[plush mason]

2 hellstrikes and the single twin on the side

[serene mist]

I think it has a hellstrike rack since the end of one of her missions she blows up bridges and the like

[plush mason]

no its her. its just her gunner is different

[hardy root]

really? i only ever see one person in the seat and dont look like her head

[plush mason]

she is the one in the back seat i think

or she is the one in the front

i can never remember who sits where in those tandem aircraft lol

[hardy root]

front is gunner i think

atleast in some cases

[plush mason]

in you are talking about the prolog cutseen the gunner has never shown up in that one for some reason

[hardy root]

no i mean in like end of mission aircraft

[plush mason]

oh

the agies station mission lets you walk to the front of the stormraptor but ofc the cockpit was too high up to see who was in it lol

[hardy root]

no you can see atleast the front seat person in the raid ones where you have two bridges to it i think that is agies station yeah

[signal bramble]

Kommandos and blood axes do use it.

It happens in Catachan devil.

[hardy root]

Boiz dem Umies are painted purple....

[signal bramble]

That book also confirms that purple is the sneaky color and that Mork is the kunnin’ god.

[hardy root]

but brutal

[signal bramble]

Gork will hit you really hard. Mork will hit you really hard when you’re not looking.

[hardy root]

Mork is kunnin but brutal, Gork is brutal yet kunning

while i am mostly interested in sororitas nowadays orks are just so damn funny to learn about

i keep on forgetting the name of the comissar that orks believe is immortal

[signal bramble]

Sebastian Yarrick

[hardy root]

the one who stole an orks klaw and is now more ork than umie for them

yes yarrick

[signal bramble]

Old bale eye.

[hardy root]

the fact that you can use their believe power against them is hilarious to me

like that one i heard about where a space marine just went "pew pew" when his gun ran out

[signal bramble]

You should listen to the our martyred lady audio drama. It is an experience to say the least.

Every Sororitas fan should experience it.

[hardy root]

its audio oonly?

[signal bramble]

It was designed to be an audio drama.

[hardy root]

aww i do love me actual books though

[signal bramble]

Same but I’ve switched to audiobooks.

I listen to them on my commute.

[hardy root]

oh damn ephrael stern DOES have a miniature

[signal bramble]

Yup.

[hardy root]

who is kyganil

[signal bramble]

So does Saint Celestine and her bestie Greyfax.

[hardy root]

i havnt read her story yet

[hardy root]

i know im gonna buy celestine

[arctic talon]

He's a harlequinn thats important to her story

to an extent

[signal bramble]

Kyganil pops up in the novel about her.

I don’t remember much about it.

[hardy root]

this bothers me so much lol

french edition super cheap...

[arctic talon]

they both have tactical rocks

Iconic duo

[signal bramble]

Im listening to the infinite and the divine right now.

[hardy root]

well time to buy the book of martyrs atleast

[signal bramble]

A lot of folks have unironically called it the best 40k novel and I see why.

Trazyn and Orikan have such amazing chemistry. XD

[hardy root]

oh damn book of martyrs has ephrael stern herertic saint in it

[signal bramble]

My recents.

[undone zodiac]

Steel tread is good

[hardy root]

i got ciaphas cain Hero of the imperium, defender of the imperium and am trying real hard to find a physical copy of savior of the imperium lol

his immeasurable amount of plot armor is hilarious and id wish there was a cain miniature

[celest dome]

Will he finally get Eldar rules ? Or is he still IoM exclusive

[arctic talon]

He has eldar rules

They're just in an Imperium book lul

[celest dome]

How long did it take for it to happen ?

[arctic talon]

Like

less then 1 edition lol

[celest dome]

That's not to bad

Not great but not to bad

[arctic talon]

He's weird tbh

[mystic geyser]

Ugh Wild Rider is fourth in a series.

Have I just been tricked into reading four eldar novels to confirm a minor lore point

[scenic sun]

he seems to be the epitome of eldar in the lore: Just a helpful and 'tsundere' hand to the IoM nowdays

lol

[tropic tapir]

I require a lore master, is the alpha legion loyal or traitor?

[celest dome]

Traitor

[tropic tapir]

Youtube, google's answear to that is "yes"

[celest dome]

Only Meme have them as loyal

[barren tapir]

They are loyal to themself, traitor for everyone else

Everyone ask if they are on order or chaos side, but the reality is they are on their own side, they work with both sides depending on what they wanna gain

[storm jungle]

Traitor.

They haven't helped the Imperium once at all and always aid chaos.

the lore just wants to be deep about it but fails every time

[verbal path]

Some are "loyal" in that they view what they do as removing what they deem weak elements of the Imperium. YMMV.

[storm jungle]

^

Theres sons of the hydra too where the book follows Alphas who think they are loyal and when they meet another Alpha cell they see them as mutated monstrosities that just want to destroy the Imperium

then have a wah-wah-waaaaah moment as they realise they were basically doing that themselves the whole time lol

[alpine ingot]

in the beginning they might have been "loyal" but after 10k years of war and fighting, yeah they're traitors at this point

[celest dome]

Even in the Heresy they were traitor

[crude harness]

lore wise the combat in this game is fucked or are the mobian 6th really really shit at their job?

vermintide makes sense, they're all specialist heros, barely winning against a dying skaven clan

honestly feel like this game would make more sense if you were space marines, considering the whole beating everyone to death with zero problem

also the characters are talking mad shit

shit like questioning if the emporers a god or the pysker talking about maybe turning to chaos

even in 30k bringing up contentious things in dialogue made characters really anxious about what would happen to them

[shadow plover]

well the characters are convicts whom have had the system fail them so I can easily excuse their lack of trust in the imperium/emperor, especially the psyker

[storm jungle]

Gameplay =/= Lore; realistically speaking the rejects are basically doing what any Imperial Guard squad in books do by going through dozens of cultists/soldiers in long engagements before going to their objective. Its a lot easier when you got ogryns and psykers on the team; you know, the members who can rip entire tank plates apart or decimate a group of 10 traitors in a single staff-zap.

[storm jungle]

It really doesn't, regular humans do these kinds of acts all the time in 40k

[storm jungle]

They are all criminals and "rejects" as the game goes, they don't really care and dont say anything too heretical, and sometimes you need to be a bit lax to make for fun interactions, nobody wants to play 4 brainwashed Imperial yes-men

[storm jungle]

Thats only the ogryn and its an innocent question in his eyes, he doesn't know better, its why the other teammates just tell him to not ask this question again and cover for him.

The Loner never says he will turn to chaos, he has just clearly suffered long under the Imperium's rule and extremely dislikes it, voicing his opinion on it to his teammate when he can here and there, hes the most borderline but again fun interactions come over lore at times.

[crude harness]

ogryn are yes men and a full squad of them is the best way to play imo

[storm jungle]

Ogryns are not yes-men

and its not

People like diversity

[crude harness]

people like ogryn

[crude harness]

I haven't encountred any ogryn that don't love big E, except for the ones you kill, their just confused.

[storm jungle]

One ogryn in the game is a total psycho and pretty much cares nothing about but killing people

The bodyguard meanwhile is more or less just doing it because he wants to protect the lil'uns

the only Yes-man ogryn in the game is the rations dude

[crude harness]

Never seen an ogryn shit talk extra rations

that's a lore fact

!!!

[storm jungle]

[crude harness]

is it ever stated where the moebian domain is on the galaxy map

[shadow plover]

ingame information: on the better side of the rift
other sources: Segmentum Solar in the galactic North West of Terra

[crude harness]

I was just going off the warp travel form the trailer, seemed like a doozy so i assumed nihulus, interesting.

[shadow plover]

yeah it's still pretty close to the rift but pretty sure that warp travel has been a bit fucky all over after the rift opened

[crude harness]

not related to darktide but if a normal human was to get into space marine armor and somehow power it up, could they walk around in it

assuming it's the shorter firstborn

cuz thunder warriors moved fine without the black carapace

[deft sage]

Thunder warriors were also a hell of a lot stronger than your typical space marine lol

No, a normal human wouldn't be able to move the armor, I suspect.

[barren tapir]

Nor the inquisition took you because you are a dimwitted fanatical crap that will never question orders... Minus the zealot, they are exactly that, and that is why they shoot one

[barren tapir]

It would be too big for a normal human, if a big size catachan did though, he would be capable to move it if he could interface with it, not to the same extent as SM do, since they are super interconnected with it... It would be similar to how sob are

But why using one of their power armours when there are human sized ones?

[deft sage]

A catachan maybe could do it, but that's still being p generous imo.

Unless u mean sly marbo

Then of course

[barren tapir]

Nah, we have catachans that use heavy bolters like other guards use lasguns, they are not the mainstay of course, but they exist

[deft sage]

; )

[barren tapir]

I was talking stonetooth

That guy can use a heavy bolter alone like SM do with armour, and be even more sneakier than SM

[deft sage]

Heavy bolter =/= tons of ceramite

[barren tapir]

You missed the part where i said if they could interface

[deft sage]

Damn the catachan are awesome though

True

[barren tapir]

If the armour is simply turned off then no, not only its weigh, but also its servomotors would be too much

But they would be too much even for SM

[deft sage]

Mmhm

[spiral burrow]

I love how in darktide ogryns are only as smart as they are cause of a chip in their head,lol. If they didn’t id imagine it would be a lot harder to have actual dialogue xd

[crude harness]

idk, i thought if shit was going down like a bomb or something the best bet for a normal human would be to slip into space marine armor and hope for the best, thinking of that scene from indiana jones.

[celest dome]

Only 1 personality has Bonehead procedure done to it

[spiral burrow]

Oh then what about the rest?

[storm jungle]

the rest are just naturally smart

the one with the chip is also the dumbest one ironically lol

[celest dome]

And the idiocy of Ogryn are very much exaggerated

[storm jungle]

^

[spiral burrow]

Ohhhhhh

[spiral burrow]

Ya sure? Cause a famous ogryn in the lore could only count to four,lol

[storm jungle]

Thats just a joke

[celest dome]

1 has it, 1 want it, and 1 doesn't want anything to do with it

[storm jungle]

because Dumb People = Comedy

i wouldnt look too deep into it

[spiral burrow]

Fair fair

Sorta like the orks

[crude harness]

i imagine ogryn are on par with forest gump, maybe worse at arithmetic and other stuff.

[celest dome]

Most Orks are kinda stupid

[spiral burrow]

Most are as dumb if not dumber than pre schoolers lol

[celest dome]

I haven't seen Forest Gump in years, so maybe

[storm jungle]

Basically this yeah.

Realistically speaking dumb people can still learn a lot of complex stuff

40k just doesnt do that for the comedy factor

[spiral burrow]

True true

[crisp heath]

Just found out Markiplier was on Arch's channel. What is this timeline.

[north lotus]

And?

[crisp heath]

It feels like I read the Necronomicon

[north lotus]

And?

People do this thing called “talking with each other”

[celest dome]

I mean I'm also surprised of it, Markiplier is a big youtuber (Though he might have done other things that I don't yet know)

[north lotus]

I’m not.

Arch talked with tex.

He’s not evil, and I don’t think he should be burned at the steak, or the stake.

Inb4 banned

But that’s not lore related

Anyways, lore question, are there 18th century style Prussian regiments?

[desert dust]

Why is that drama?
I haven't listened to arch in a long time but I used to watch all his videos until he decided to do like 40 hours on vraks

[heavy bison]

Vostroyan Firstborn would be close, though they've got more of a cossack theme.

[north lotus]

Certain fellows are less reputable, and thanks to his political beliefs think he is evil or a ist

[heavy bison]

Honestly Kreig regiments would be close too, especially if you went with prussian colors on a Kreig lancer regiment.

[desert dust]

I mean is arch getting shit for talking to whoever or is arch now some evil pariah?

[north lotus]

I don’t know either completely, but part of it is r/sigmarxism hates him.

[desert dust]

Oh ok well they are marxis so they aren't really people

[north lotus]

Does anyone know if GW ever made range tables for the earth shaker?

(In universe)

[abstract zealot]

It seems to me Ogryn aren't dumb, they are just slow. Either that or their emotional intelligence is not impaired.

[desert dust]

It's more like they got various levels of mental disabilities.
All ogryns are dumber and slower than a normal human but they are not stupid they just don't get all the fancy talk.

Also boneheads have implants so they can remember more complex orders

[odd palm]

Arch
Bruh, he’s the verbal equivalent of watching paint dry

[north lotus]

That’s grimdarknarrator.

Arch can be fun.

[odd palm]

If it didn't take him 15 minutes to finish carrying on about his endless metaphors

[north lotus]

He at least has original art assets

[north lotus]

Motherfucker I watch Nutnfancy. Arch is nothing in that regard.

[odd palm]

There are better loretubers who cover the topics he does with less metaphors in some feeble attempt to sound smart and with less sus comments

👋

[desert dust]

My problem with arch is that the 40k books are great and he just sucks in comparison to make it entertaining.
I listen to HH and martyrmade podcasts and they go for 2-30 hours a seires but it's history and it's made entertaining or fascinating enough to keep me engaged for 6 hours with no visuals

[odd palm]

Now, let us discuss something less controversial than Arch. Female SMs

[crisp heath]

BRING

THEM

BACK

[north lotus]

As ftm transgenders.

[crisp heath]

I already have fanfic about lesbian guard and lesbian knights, give me the girl marines, I will not abuse this privilege

[odd palm]

Cawl has done miracles once, why not again?
Significantly increases the recruitment pool without really changing how SMs operate

[north lotus]

Every bit of meat, and otherwise is indistinguishable from a normal marine.

[desert dust]

Already got them
Emperors children been around for ten thousand years

[north lotus]

Daemonculaba.

[odd palm]

Emprah don' loike chaos

[crisp heath]

Honestly I think Primaris was their big shot and they blew it. Female space marines were originally not profitable so they discontinued them, but now we're in a culture where being into 40k is just tumblr lesbian culture and they totally could have swung it

[odd palm]

Mmm and from a lore perspective, there really wouldn't be any difference between the two unless the armour was removed

[north lotus]

I don’t think that’d be the positives you think.

[crisp heath]

Yeah it's literally just asking for a couple heads with the no beard/long hair combo

[north lotus]

Primaris was already a giant shit show.

[odd palm]

Was, now? It's fine

[crisp heath]

Plenty of the existing female models are already a little masculine looking, very few conventionally girly models

[odd palm]

Look at.....clan escher?

I think

[north lotus]

It’s not really

[north lotus]

That’s a specific situation

Clan Escher practically has ALD in their men

[crisp heath]

I see female Space Marines like I do NB admech: Admech have always been icons in non-binary/gender divergent spaces. Now that we have a handful of actually canonically nb admech, that's just confirming the way a lot of people interested in them already read them. Admech is the most transgender shit out there, it beats out Celeste by a mile.

Adding in female space marines is entirely a market decision, and there's a strong market for it

[odd palm]

They've spent the past.....6 years fleshing out the primaris project. The initial introduction was disastrous, but since the BL authors have had time to work with 'em. Not bad

[crisp heath]

We already have female space marines in the old lore, we have a strong interest in them in the current lore, as long as the explanation isn't a laughable asspull I have a lot of confidence it would work, and even a lot of people who don't like it rn would eventually come around

But I think they mostly nipped that in the bud in HH books since the reason there are no female primarchs is actually discussed

It ultimately comes down to whether or not GW is willing to pay a decent writer to justify their existence. If they are, then I see no reason not to hop on board the femmarine train

[desert dust]

Form a lore perspective I think even if it did work they wouldn't do it anyway.
Space marine and not really chemically enhanced super soldiers they are more like regular humans who are filled with clone organs from primarch DNA.
Only the strongest children survive this and most die because they are to weak or unlucky.
Females are much weaker and even less likely to accept the organs.

[odd palm]

If they release a mini series of books from good BL authors? I can see it getting pulled off passably.
If they do another gathering storm, half arsed campaign series? No shot.

[crisp heath]

Ultimately, if you look at long-running series that lock certain things behind gender, they ultimately reverse that decision and say something like "well, it's mostly exclusive to one gender, but sometimes people break the mold". I could easily see that being justified with space marines, and honestly the only reason I think it hasn't so far is because female space marines did objectively poorly in the market in the distant past so it's percieved as a risky decision to try it again.

This has more to do with markets than with lore. I just see it coming down to the fact that in the 80s, "nerd" interests were male-dominated. Now more women are coming in, and it's getting a reputation for being kind of "gay", so you could definitely take new directions by tapping into those markets. I think they'd sale, but I don't have faith in GW to actually handle the lore well, at least not without some bumpy roads.

Like fuck I play random games of D&D on roll20 and I don't think I've met a heterosexual in that context in months. Tabletop just has a totally different demographic now than it did in the late 20th century.

[honest trellis]

Arch is human garbage and his beliefs don't belong in society let alone promoted and he absolutely uses his 40k stuff to promote it.

[crisp heath]

Didn't one of his mods defend... illegal content involving younger people in his official discord and he refused to do anything about it?

[desert dust]

Dam what are his beliefs nowadays?

[honest trellis]

Like it's whatever if you want to watch that creature, but if you agree with him on the shit he says, there's legitimately something wrong with you as a human being.

[honest trellis]

I mean no nowadays about it, he's had this shit for years

Lemme put it this way. "Worse than /pol/ on average"

The screencaps are out there but the specifics are NSFW, NSFL

[crisp heath]

It might just be that I've only seen the worst of Arch, because I never actively watched him, but if I saw him in a schoolzone I'd call the cops lol

[desert dust]

I stopped watching arch when he did vraks for way to long

[north lotus]

You do realize it’s relatively easy to photoshop screenshots out of context?

[honest trellis]

you do realize that there's no context to defend that horseshit, ever, and claims of fakery don't work when they're exactly the shit he's said in videos and the company he keeps for years

[crisp heath]

Yeah watched a video compilation of him a while ago and like, the things he says straight faced into a camera are more than enough to convince someone the screens probably aren't fake

Since it's basically the same stuff

[honest trellis]

Like if you want to make that argument about Arch, best to do some self reflection

[desert dust]

I just want to know what he said

[north lotus]

Similar here

I do remember that the “discord screenshot” scandal was out of context.

[crisp heath]

Bro there is literally no context a rational person would say some of that in???

[desert dust]

You can chill we are not a twitter mob out to get you.
You don't need to win any arguments I really just don't know why he's so hated except he is disliked by reddit commies

[crisp heath]

Like it's worse in the discord but he does definitely say similar things in older videos, I haven't checked up on him lately

[honest trellis]

Literally no context would save that piece of shit, your memories aren't really useful.

[crisp heath]

Like, there has been no realistic dispute against the thing his mod said about literal illegal content, and he just handwaved that off. If that's honestly not enough to make you swear him off, then I'm sorry, you're just not functional member of society

[honest trellis]

There's no "chill", I'm just flat out saying that being pro-Arch in the sense of the guy himself means that there's something fundamentally wrong with you as a person.

[crisp heath]

Even defending something that horrendous, even if you don't do it yourself, is enough to get you removed from society in most respects.

[tough lily]

do fan theories count?

[crisp heath]

post fan theories, I'm tired of this subject

[desert dust]

I remember making discord to join his then I got boring and weird about rules I just posted horse porn till they banned me

[crisp heath]

bruh

[tough lily]

well it's about this idea i have for female SMs

[honest trellis]

oh boy

hit us

[desert dust]

Yeah but that's like me saying you should hate random guy for no reason and if you don't your literally Hitler.
Whats the bad stuff?

[tough lily]

"Taking place in a far away sector untouched by the Imperium, the 1000 worlds known as Avalonia...."

[honest trellis]

DM'd lol, and actually it's more like going "hey he's a fucking Nazi"

[crisp heath]

The nazi thing is gross as shit, I'm honestly more upset by the kid thing lmao

[tough lily]

Did he also make a video about defending the christchurch shooter?

[desert dust]

Here if you want a reason to be anit communist I can link all sorts of stuff

[crisp heath]

Bro you had me at Avalon. I love that dark ages celtic shit.

[honest trellis]

One, I don't actually care about anti-communist drivel

Two, your attempt to derail from "Arch is kinda human garbage" is a weird tangent.

Like either you have a sense of basic decency and can see why he's bad because literally no one has been quiet about it these days- or you don't, anything else is just a derail.

[tough lily]

got the idea from reading a book, Avalon by Mary J. Jones. It was published in 1991 and it has lesbians in it

[honest trellis]

Avalon is def a good vibe, go on?

[crisp heath]

I mean Arch is one of those subjects that gets so tied up in culture war bullshit that no one can see it clearly. Just look at the most simple, basic facts: Did this person, by their own admission, say or do things that can harm many people, or significantly harm a single person? Arch definitely checks that box, it has nothing to do with politics. He just goes racist mode a lot and defends a self-admitted sex offender. Neither of those are people we should deal with lightly in society.

[desert dust]

I just don't get it since I used to listen to him and now he's apparently a neo nazi but will definitely read what you linked me seems fun

[honest trellis]

You can listen to someone and learn they're a piece of shit later and stop listening.

[tough lily]

"The Female SMs are known as the Silver Sabers, and they protect the realm and it's borders founded and safe-guarded by the Matriarch."

[honest trellis]

Secessionists, independent, or never Imperial?

[crisp heath]

I was thinking Mists of Avalon, which also has lesbians and also,,,, uh, uncomfortable medieval sexual arrangements

Avalon is gay, is the moral here, ig

[desert dust]

Slannesh?

[fading heron]

Now we need some Misters of Battle lore

[tough lily]

Secessionist but presumed dead

[honest trellis]

"cut off by warpstorm" is always a classic

[tough lily]

you mean Imperial Guard but better equiped

[crisp heath]

Kasrkin

[fading heron]

Imperial guard but better equipped

[honest trellis]

Survivors of the Dark Age origin for Imperial Army from 30k, boom done

[tough lily]

manufactured warpstorm

[desert dust]

I know beast Aires is kinda bad but I do want them to do anther seires like it on the 36M when sister of battle became a thing

[crisp heath]

Nah their planet just got lost in paperwork and no one even realizes it's still there

[desert dust]

Big holy civil war sound fun

[tough lily]

"Formerly the 11th Legion"

[north lotus]

Could I also get the sauce?

[crisp heath]

I mean the 2nd and 11th legion were literally "lost" to allow players to make homebrew chapters, so that's not bad in itself, but the HH books confirmed their primarchs were male.

The trick imo is to give people no legitimate leg to stand on, so you could say they're succesors of the 11th legion by a weird twist of fate, which nothing in lore strictly contradicts.

[tough lily]

"yes.....was....."

[crisp heath]

Generally making a "sucessor" for a lost legion introduces timeline issues, but imo that's just an excuse to get creative about how it happened

[honest trellis]

@north lotus "Arch racist 40k" should get you all the evidence you ever should need TBH

[desert dust]

Kotaku, among many other outlets wrote about it, however, arch ignores those outlets and makes a video about Kotaku. A website the far right and gamer gaters love to hate.
Reading that arch thing form 2 years ago
Still going on about gamer gate

[tough lily]

"the Primarch was plagued by a terrible curse, a cursed that extended to his legion, but then a psyker revealed a cure that resides in the sector lost to the rest of the galaxy, a sector ruled by the monstrous ruler, King Vortigus."

"the journey was long and costly, but eventually they have found the cure, in the form of a lake, surrounded by silver swords and at it's center, a tree that bore a mystical shining fruit."

[desert dust]

My favourite history podcaster is said to be fascist, alt right nazi, etc
Dudes ex military anti big government.

Always better to look it up your self

[honest trellis]

Which I did. And you can. The conclusions you draw from that are up to you but there's no secret what Arch is. And while this isn't a chat for this channel I'd check on that podcaster's background in depth because "Ex military and rants about guberment" is not an endorsement that fills one with confidence.

[crisp heath]

Bro there's no point arguing with one beyond Christ's Light.

[desert dust]

Also I remember that is 40k fascist and then him denying.
He would maybe be right in some parts the fact if you are anything but a loyal servant your basically dead makes it kinda fascist

[honest trellis]

I legit am not sure what you're trying to argue there

but in any event

[crisp heath]

The servants of Satan have chosen their side, and after a certain point they cannot be swayed from it

[honest trellis]

I think we've passed the conversation's 40k relevance.

[tough lily]

i was making up a story about my version of the 11th legion but then you guys kept talking and i didnt want to interrupt

[north lotus]

Continue assassinated president.

[tough lily]

???

[crisp heath]

Go on, we're interested, someone just revived a topic that happened a while ago

[desert dust]

Do it I'm done reading what he linked me

[tough lily]

"The primarch stripped his armor and his legion was forced to watch him descend to the pool. The Primarch took and fruit and ate it, and he underwent a agonizing transformation. The Primarch had died...."

"And the Matriarch was born, in a form of towering yet beautiful woman..."

"Seeing this, the Legion did the same. and soon the 11th legion was freed of the curse. But their celebration was cut short by the arrival of warriors of King Vortigus, the scions of Khorne. The Matriarch lead her new legion to battle."

"With their new found power of speed and agility, the 11th Legion was outmatch the Scions of Khorne, and soon they defeated them and claimed the planet as their own."

"Word of the Scions defeat spread throughout the planet until it reaches Vortigus, who is intrigued by the 11th Legion."

"100 world felt to the Legion's control, and a fleet was created with new Space marines who named themselves as the Silver Sabers."

[north lotus]

Part of the problem I find is there’s a bit of too perfect feel I get

[crimson kayak]

wait, why is there fruit in the pool

[north lotus]

What would be the reaction of the administratum?

[desert dust]

I was gonna wait till he was done

[north lotus]

It fell off the tree.

[honest trellis]

TBH a lost legion is always a bit fiddly for homebrew

[desert dust]

Just imagine it's noi

[north lotus]

A fair answer, but what I’m trying to say is “the inquisition has flipped out over less”

[tough lily]

"They have begun their campaign towards Camelot, Vortigus's capital city. The battle was long and hard, and many were lost, but the Matriarch soon confronted King Vortigus, who was ready for her. They battled for days until Vortigus seemed to have defeated the Matriarch. When all seemed lost, she received a vision. A vision of Avalonia years later, where there is peace and and freedom, the Legion became so much more. She cannot give up now. That future will be achieved"

forgive my writing

im a noob

[tough lily]

a tree in the middle of the lake that bire fruit

[desert dust]

Don't worry 11ths legion was before the inquisition so you know the emperor knew it was hersey

[north lotus]

And anyone whom knows the history of shit like fulgrim will have a “kill that fucking shit with fire” response on learning the chapter history

[desert dust]

Thanks for the story anyway.
Just keep doing it and you will get better

[north lotus]

It’s not the worst.

I’d recommend if you have Spotify you watch the black pants legion podcast sometime for this kinda thing

[honest trellis]

we all start somewhere

[crimson kayak]

don't need no inquisition when 11 and 2 got drive-by'ed by Big E

[honest trellis]

a few things to keep in mind:

1. the galaxy is a big place, which means your guys CAN be special but also means setting changing stuff should be rare

[tough lily]

"The Matriarch rose from the ground, new power rising within her. The power of hope that gave her strength. Vortigus comes at her again, only this time, she was faster and new his incoming attacks. The Matriarch bested the king and took his life, freeing him from is anger and depression, revealing an old man he was before Khorne took him. The Matriarch layed in on the stone slab and kissed his hand, telling him to rest now, his pain is over. Avalonia was freed that day."

[honest trellis]

2. lost legion stuff was suppressed

3. unrelaible narrators, histories forgotten, lies passed off as fact are all normal

and if it sounds like my advice isn't the same as GW's own writing

it's because GW these days is kinda bad at writing their own setting

Anyway you have a nice mythological basis for your faction

[north lotus]

horus heresy

[honest trellis]

figure out what your vibe you want is

[tough lily]

im thinking. i need to read more literature about knights and high fantasy

[north lotus]

It ok if I send you a vid DM?

[tough lily]

of what

[north lotus]

A book you could take some ideas from for knights.

A battletech book called ideal war

[tough lily]

sure

[north lotus]

Why not a iron hands loyalist successor chapter that chose a belief in knightly honor after PTSD from perterabo’s reign?

[tough lily]

Because i wanted to write something that takes place outside of the setting while still being apart of it.

[north lotus]

Ah.

[tough lily]

to be honest, I find Space marines a bit boring sometimes.

[desert dust]

I think that loyalist SM are the most boring thing to writie

[tough lily]

one of the reasons they became famous was because of characters like Ragnar Blackmane, and Gabriel Seth.

i loved Aeonid Thiel in the audio drama about the Red-Marked

cultures and traits aside, there is nothing special about genetically enhanced super soldiers who are near emotionless

[north lotus]

You could make it unique. Part of the question is detachement.

[desert dust]

I think the best mini series that they could have is iron warrior's lead by Perturabo come out of the rift in some out of the way place near it and has the technology to slowly expand the rift so he can stay in those worlds as a DP.
So he goes takes a few systems and makes a empire and if he has them to long the rift will claim those worlds.

He's not gonna go kill Big E or blow up ultramar but he's a obvious threat.
That means you can have him win every fight even against roboat and have chaos been bad ass for once.

[north lotus]

God damn it I just accidentally copied the black templars

[tough lily]

mmhmm

[north lotus]

Yeah, I know

Why not a civilization going and rediscovering the rest of mankind when their planet gets destroyed by xenos?

[desert dust]

Why not just do something like guardsmen try and stay alive on the frount or worlds been corrupted by one of the chaos gods or eldar x primarch fanfic

[north lotus]

Or showing what imperial annexation looks like outside of violent endeavors?

[desert dust]

I think all guardsmen party and gaunt's ghosts seires are my favourite 40k series while space marines are good I don't really like any of the characters

[north lotus]

It’s hard to write killing machines.

Or other cases

[tough lily]

I have an idea of Lorgar returning to rebuild Monarchia

[desert dust]

I think that when you get good ones every one praises them.
Because the writers got to treat them like killing machines but they are all still human so you can give them tons of character if you want to.
Like the nightlord seires the main characters great but the rest of the cast is forgettable

[north lotus]

I’m wanting to see the question answered “how does a layman fall to chaos?”

[desert dust]

The human crew 8 and 9 where better than the space marines who aren't the mc

[desert dust]

To be honest I think it's easier than you think.
Just look at real history when discipline breaks down and everyone goes crazy

Actually if your interested I can link you a podcast ep on Vietnam war that goes over one of the massacres

[north lotus]

Pull that shit up Jamie

[north lotus]

I was going to more with a little bit more of a fucked up one than that:

[desert dust]

DMed it

Unless someone else want it

[north lotus]

“What drives a man to commit atrocities like those we saw in the balkans?”

What drives a person to consider sacrifice?

Just saying “the gods told me to” isn’t as concerning as a logical, well thought out answer as to why you do what you do.

How men fall to a ideology.

[north lotus]

And not some poorly veiled political piece on a soapbox.

But without a need to suddenly shorten it down like how the Horus heresy books did for the suns of Horus

[desert dust]

Should definitely check out martyrmade it's all about that in 1-6 and 11-18

[north lotus]

The point I’m making here is how someone goes from being a little weird and artistic to something like hellraiser

[north lotus]

Or how does angron fall to Khor-BAHAHAHA

[signal bramble]

You mean where Khorne settled on his second tier or maybe third tier pick.

[north lotus]

What were the first two?

[signal bramble]

I believe Khorne wanted Sanguinius and the blood angels above all else.

[north lotus]

I can see why?

[signal bramble]

I think it’s pretty self-evident tbh.

Now as for who the second pick would have been instead of Sanguinius or Angron? Idk.

I’ve seen theories about the white scars

[desert dust]

I thought the blood angle was san

[signal bramble]

They are Sanguinius.

But I believe that Khorne wanted the blood angels and had to settle for Angron and the world eaters.

[desert dust]

I guess I'm to far behind HH

[rose thorn]

I realize I’ve only seen heard grey knights murdering chaos, is there anything else they do? Like their views on other species and their culture?

They have to do something besides just /tp and killing chaos and mindwipe/kill anyone who saw them do that

[signal bramble]

If they get in their way yes. But you have to remember that the GK are usually only employed specifically against Chaos daemon incursions.

The GK only get called in when the warp fuckery has gotten really crazy.

In their downtime, they’re training, keeping an eye on things and maintaining their gear while constantly prepping.

Presumably they have some purpose like the custodes where they deploy to recover certain warp related chaos artifacts and seal them away.

[rose thorn]

Ah, how much do you think they are put on inquisitor baby sitting duty,

[signal bramble]

Not that often.

The inquisitors are there to make sure a full on daemon incursion doesn’t happen in the first place.

If it does happen then the gk show up to fix it.

[rose thorn]

Gotcha

Who usually are on Inquisition baby sitting?

[signal bramble]

The GK aren’t there to fight against other enemies unless they have to. All their goals and training is focused on daemon slaying. Of course they’re Astartes, shooting someone with a Bolter is gonna hurt them a lot. But it’s not what their purpose is.

[rose thorn]

I do know that they have a deal with tryzan to give him artifacts just so no one can get them

But it’s usually a last ditch thing

[signal bramble]

The inquisitors retinue and other forces they select for their mission. Whatever it may be. There’s not a one size fits all roster.

Inquisitor Crowl has a private army he uses to investigate heresy.

Inquisitor Amberley of the ordo xenos prefers to travel light with a small crew of a handful of people as she generally prefers a quieter more subtle approach.

[crisp heath]

GK are honestly on decent terms with most xenos

Not "friendly", but also not "kill on sight"

On at least one occasion they bring spirit stones back to the Eldar and fanon has elevated this to standard practice

[rose thorn]

I really do like the imperium secret fbi literal myths, but I wish they would have more of a reason for regular conflicts

[rose thorn]

To be fair it fucks with Slaanesh

[signal bramble]

It’s as simple as “we need to retrieve a warp tainted thing and those guys are in the way.”

[rose thorn]

Fair

[signal bramble]

Or they could have been corrupted or their activities may unearth something they shouldn’t.

The GK are depicted as highly specialized in their weapons, training, and choice of prey.

And only called in when absolutely necessary.

I use this analogy, you can use a screwdriver to hammer in a nail if you had to but it’s not really the best tool for the job.

[honest trellis]

literally a list of reasons

in 3e

[signal bramble]

I love the GK, I think they’re cool af but if you were to ever see one in an inquisitorial retinue then it means shit is really bad where ever they’re going. Like really bad.

[signal bramble]

Aww man I saw that years ago. So nostalgic.

[honest trellis]

Daemonhunters >>>>>>>> GK

even the models took a nosedive

A modernization of the GK kits would go so far

delete the lego storm bolters

🤣

[signal bramble]

Though that is an outdated codex a lot of the general ideas still work.

[honest trellis]

thematically it nailed things

in a way the modern ones haven't

[tough lily]

I always want to write a guardswoman battle sister lesbian fan fic

[arctic talon]

Crowe still has his Lego stormbolter

And he’s updated