40k-lore-chat

[barren tapir]

He went with what he thought would bring in the future he saw and wanted to achieve

[rose gyro]

so the Emperor has to do something to stop the disaster

[barren tapir]

Like, big E probably didn't foresaw the wings of sanguinus, neither the iron hand of ferrus, but he foresaw them being what they would become

[rose gyro]

also, "telling the Primarchs about Chaos" could only lead to worse result

[mystic geyser]

One got told

It didn't work out

[barren tapir]

Big E admit to a custodes that he can see the future, but not all the steps to get to such future

[red spruce]

okay understood ... so in doubt it was well intentioned
still not a great move to throw his only psyker son under the bus at Nicaea

[rose gyro]

the other way is to kill him

[barren tapir]

He didn't throw him under the bus, he stated that he shouldn't try to learn from the warp, which is probably the most reasonable thing that big E ever did

In fact, he was protecting magnus with that

[rose gyro]

which, sadly, is actually a better choice

[obsidian trellis]

Because why not?

[barren tapir]

But magnus being the dumbest ever went with "i know better than a guy that have 10x my power and knowledge, yeah, i'm definitely better than him and stronger too"

[red spruce]

we as a scholar of history with all the texts at our disposal can see that
but i seriously doubt that it was possible for magnus to see, even as a superhuman

magnus just wanted to make his father proud and reverse the edict

[barren tapir]

Look, if someone that is plainly stronger than me in my strongest part come and tell me, stop trying answer in a extraverse where you don't know what the price is and it is dangerous i would probably take that advice

[barren tapir]

He wanted to prove what he never was, a smart person, and also an humble one

[red spruce]

but what the emperor said was more like "dare to use the warp and i will destroy you" thats hardly an explanation

[barren tapir]

Eh, he was never really diplomatic true

But, i mean, if someone like big E, and you as psyker can see feel his power, came and tell you that, would you still do what he told you would make him destroy you?

[red spruce]

and my primary point is that this is not how you behave as a father. perhaps being a father was just a mask but still most of his sons looked for his guidance, wisdom and appreciation

[red spruce]

i wouldnt say that he wasnt smart or humble
just naive

and who would not be naive? he tried to fullfill his "duty" bestowed on him as a scholar of the warp

its like to ask russ to stop killing and start a flower business

[barren tapir]

That wasn't his duty ever, it was a duty that he bestowed himself... He was probably meant to be a scholar, but not necessarily of the warp

[rose gyro]

And He was NEVER a Father

that wasn't His job

The Emperor is the Master of Mankind, and that alone

He was their Maker, their Master, and their Lord

somehow, the Loyalists took that fact much better than the Traitors

[storm jungle]

It was his job

he just fucking sucked at it

[rose thorn]

What are some HH characters you would like to see alive in 40k

[arctic talon]

I want to see eidolon again

He’s leading the largest group of emperors children

Lore wise

Other then that all the loyalist marines are fucking dead lol

[rose thorn]

Me too! I bet he’s coming with the EC codex in like 5 years lmao

[celest dome]

Dorn, Rho-mu 31 and Dalia Cynthera

[arctic talon]

I think Dalia is dead

[celest dome]

What she did ?

[arctic talon]

Despite her ascension to becoming the guardian of the dragon

Someone else replaced her

Iirc

Nvm

Ignore me

[celest dome]

In the Mechanicus book or somewhere else ? Cause at some point they think she is dead

[arctic talon]

No

I’m misremembering an exerpt lol

She’s alive

Prolly

[barren tapir]

Afaik she is alive, and looking for who stole the book

[normal grove]

So I'm reading a Ciaphus Cain book and he's having a dream where Slaanesh threatens to eat his soul

Is that like, an actual attempt on his life by Slaanesh? Because that sounds like a dream with very real consequences if it went bad. Plus, he had to be woken up by Jugen of all people to escape, which also points to warp fuckery.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[signal bramble]

It was a Slaanesh daemon Princess he was having nightmares about after he’d killed her previously.

But it is described in some bits of lore that Slaanesh stuff can haunt dreams.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/chalmers-simpsons-may-i-see-it-talking-gif-11870196

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-no-thinking-nope-skinner-gif-16471648

GW Moment

[arctic talon]

It gets mentioned in the csm codex

That’s all we get lol

[storm jungle]

damn thanks GW

a single mention

maybe that will get Eidolon through christmas

[rose thorn]

Yeah lmao, he’s a ‘oh hey he is doing stuff and is important’ and then never mentioned again, like every CSM character

[dusk patrol]

Same thing with Night Lords

[arctic talon]

Night lords aren’t one of the big 5

[dusk patrol]

Their biggest warband at least was led by a Daemon Prince

[arctic talon]

Kekw

[dusk patrol]

Never shows up

[arctic talon]

If you aren’t World Eaters, Emperors Children, death guard, thousand sons or Black legion you won’t get lore

[rose thorn]

And if you are word bearers then you get to die

;~;

[arctic talon]

Oof

[barren tapir]

Hell yeah

That is what the word bearers deserve

[rose thorn]

They were literally the main antagonist of lords of silence lmao

Like Jesus the only legion thT actually like them is BL

[barren tapir]

I think that not even them like WB

[rose thorn]

I don’t know if modern world eaters like them-

[barren tapir]

Rightfully so i would add

[arctic talon]

Modern world eaters don’t really get along

Like with anyone lol

[rose thorn]

Lmao

[arctic talon]

The one thing they can agree on is if angron shows up in real space

They’re gona go to his location

[rose thorn]

Pre HH angeron actually had a pretty okay relationship with lorgar

Not the best

But like ‘hey I get ya’

‘Ok nerd’

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

Also word bearers literally made the dark apostle, (and dark commune I’m not too sure)

[arctic talon]

Master of possession

Is the other one

[rose thorn]

OHHH YEAHHH

[arctic talon]

Who is sort of a modern Gal vorbak

[crisp heath]

How do you call your chaplains a dark apostle and think you're the good guy

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b8/Master_ofPossessionMini.jpeg/revision/latest?cb=20190331222610

Don’t ask why he’s floating

The daemon likes it that way

[rose thorn]

I HAVE A GOOD REASON FOR THIS

it’s a big part of the ‘newer’ (ha) word bearer books, ever legion has a thing they do best out of everyone, and for the word bearers it’s loyalty. They were loyal to a flaw and many word bearers use this as an excuse

[arctic talon]

The night lords assault marine ignoring the fact he’s growing talons

[rose thorn]

It’s easier to sacrifice worlds of people when you believe you are predisposed to it

[arctic talon]

Is hilarious

[crisp heath]

Lmao they're literally like "lol sorry I'm an Aries 🤣 rollin"

[normal grove]

still seems like a dream that could kill if it went on too long

though IDK if thats a thing in the lore

[crisp heath]

I think it was more of a threat than an attack

[normal grove]

catching the eye of a high ranking pawn of a chaos god aint a good thing

even if it is dead

[rose thorn]

Did it say where the dark commune first came from?

[crisp heath]

I don't know how far you are so I won't spoil her deal, but her and Cain boned down so that's why she's so interested in him

[normal grove]

I'm mostly just wondering if lethal dream attacks are a thing in 40k or not

see if its a threat or an attempted soul eating

not fun for him either way tbh

[crisp heath]

I think Harlequins can do that?

[arctic talon]

No

[rose thorn]

Oh ok

[arctic talon]

Warp predators do it all the time

Better hope you don’t dream of buzzing bees

[normal grove]

if warp critters can do it, then slaaanesh and pals sure can.

Good thing Jurgen's blank ass showed up in time

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[normal grove]

Jurgen: the real hero of the Imperum

btw, these books are pretty great so far

[kind rock]

Can anyone point me towards some custodes books? I’m just getting into the tabletop and they’re who I’m collecting-they seem pretty dope and I wanna read up on them

[dusk patrol]

Emperor’s Legion and Regent’s Shadow

Those are the two main ones, there’s also books which heavily feature Custodes like Gate of Bones and Vaults of Terra

[echo vault]

Do heavy thunder hammers exist in the heresy or is that a deathwatch exclusive thing

There's heavy chainswords

[celest dome]

Never mentioned anywhere else, but not sure if there is anything saying they didn't exist before (Just never really mentioned)

[echo vault]

They probably do I just don't think people wanna waste money on getting a whole deathwatch kit just for the heavy thunder hammer

Also Horus heresy writers aren't thinking about all the flavors of thunder hammer in their writing

[arctic talon]

Honestly it’s prolly one of thousands of unspoken varients

The same way the heavy chain axe is

[echo vault]

So upset they didn't include a mention of the umbra ferrox bolter in the latest book

[arctic talon]

Lol

[echo vault]

Black templar dreadnoughts can get a heavy eviscerator chainfist

[echo vault]

I wanna see a praetor dual wield that archaeotech pistol, would be cool

[grand briar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/939422473286479922/1064924453458415666/IMG_6535.jpg

the mechanicuas when i dont take care of my bolter

[signal bramble]

Well it depends on what the pistol fires. :p

“Archeotech” is just a general term for old tech. An archeotech pistol could be anything from an ancient plasma weapon to some Glock someone left lying around.

[echo vault]

I'm thinking it's like a mechanicus weapon

[arctic talon]

Archeotech pistols can be good weapons but they can also be absolutely terrible

[grand briar]

yeah

[north lotus]

Insert scene here of space Marine fiddling with POS Saturday night special pistol.

[arctic talon]

They range from a Glock to like

[north lotus]

Related

[arctic talon]

A revolver that fires explosive armor piercing bullets that has no recoil

[north lotus]

Ah,

[arctic talon]

Rannick has an archeotech pistol

[north lotus]

I thought that was a long barreled stub revolver

[arctic talon]

I mean

It goes straight through the person he shoots bounces off the floor then explodes

[north lotus]

Which I want in the game.

[north lotus]

That’s ammunition choice.

[arctic talon]

Also an archeotech weapon could be a stub weapon

I.E the archeotech pistols you see skitarii using

There’s 0 reason as to why Rannick couldn’t have something similar

[north lotus]

Oh let’s not get into macrostubber bullshit

[arctic talon]

That isn’t a macro stubber

It’s just a fucking revolver lol

[simple sparrow]

Is this from five nights at freddy’s

[arctic talon]

That pistol

Is an archeotech pistol lol

I don’t see any reason why Rannicks pistol wouldn’t be archeotech

[north lotus]

Fair point, I just want long barrel stub revolver is all

[grand briar]

Ye

[red spruce]

*hand cannon

[signal bramble]

Archeotech is just a synonym for old. Any old piece of gear can be “archeotech.”

It is not indicative of power level.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[plush mason]

Archeotech can literally be a floppy disk drive lol

its the Archeotech from the dark age of technology that can be the super powered stuff as humanity had near godlike levels of tech at the time

[arctic talon]

I mean even archeotech from the daot can be very benign

Like a recipe for paint

[plush mason]

true

[arctic talon]

Now granted this paint did cause a civil war

But it wasn’t because the paint was evil

It was because of a theological debate over it

[plush mason]

its the imperium. they fight micro civil wars for paper

[arctic talon]

Yep

[plush mason]

frankly i would have been shocked if that didnt happen

[arctic talon]

Even better it wasn’t even over the quality or something

It was because it was too efficient

[plush mason]

humans in 40k are just space age cavemen

[arctic talon]

And it pissed off a lot of menials and tech priests

[plush mason]

ofc

[arctic talon]

Because they would lose their jobs lol

[plush mason]

for like all of 10 seconds then get put to work somewhere else

[arctic talon]

Yeah but you don’t get it their family has been doing it for generations

It’s a time honored tradition

But yeah a civil war broke out on several forge worlds and industrial worlds

Because the paint was too good at it’s job

[plush mason]

also. please tell me the rite of rekindling is just a meme or at least it isnt as complex as the memes say

[arctic talon]

The rite for lighting a fire or igniting an engine

Or a forge

Because for an engine and lighting a fire it’s

Press the correct button while saying a few words

[plush mason]

the memes say its for changing lightbulbs so that answers my question lol

[arctic talon]

Oh

Lmfao

That would prolly just be reciting turning it in the proper direction

While doing it lol

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

Most of the chanting is literal instruction

On the task

[plush mason]

makes sense honestly. again space age cavemen

[arctic talon]

Like the rite of turning on a vehicle is “strike the rune of ignition and recite the rite of ignition”

[plush mason]

honestly i feel like the human brain entered into a state of apathy during the DAOT and that is why they are like they are in 40k

[arctic talon]

Most of the super complex rituals are for like repairs and large scale things

[plush mason]

yeah

and tbf the memes dont make the rite out to be all that complex, just insanely complex for the stated task

[echo vault]

I like to imagine they shoot plasma projectiles and the barrels glow blue like the mechanicus weapons do

[north lotus]

No, it’s that 10 millenium of war means factories and other such locations have a bad tendency to suddenly suffer from a failure of existence

[echo vault]

Kinda rapid fire

[north lotus]

I mean look at how much was lost when the chinese cultural revolution happened

[plush mason]

that would not have the effect on the human mind we see in 40k. they have lost so much of their understanding and comprehension. simple war and lose of tech cant do that

[north lotus]

Part of it is the fact that you don’t have the time to relearn that kinda stuff

Try creating a toaster that functions from base materials.

Without buying components

There’s a great video on this

[plush mason]

that isnt what is happening here, even if i could make the toaster i would not assume its magic

[north lotus]

Ever read “a canticle for lebowitz?”

[crisp heath]

I mean part of it is also that magic is real in 40k...

[plush mason]

the fact they use canticles and hymns to learn and memorize how to use and maintain their devices shows their lack of understanding

[arctic talon]

Not all machines have a machine spirit thats gona be pissed off if you don't sing to it

like a lasgun won't do that

[north lotus]

But you don’t know what you don’t know, so it’s better to not risk it.

[crisp heath]

Honestly you could just interpret 90% of mechanicum ritual as the most Gothic mnemonic device possible

[arctic talon]

but do that to a titan and you might get a temper tantrum

[arctic talon]

I mean the admech have a good idea, thats why there's simple rituals for a lot of things

and no simple rituals for other things

titans

ships

ect.

[plush mason]

i do. and that again is part of my point. when humans dont understand how something works we default to mysticism and occult/religion reverence and terminology

[crisp heath]

You can learn anything if you set it to music, that's why there's so many educational kids songs. That's probably how you learned the alphabet. Using music to learn, including religious music, is a very basic learning tool that's still used today

[echo vault]

This video is really good for this topic
https://youtu.be/yucYY0IDr6A

[north lotus]

Exactly my point. In a universe of constant conflict do you want to risk it

[crisp heath]

Idk I don't think this is the server to confront reddit atheist takes

[arctic talon]

PancreasNoWork my beloved

[arctic talon]

wut

[crisp heath]

Mostly talking about Nameless being like "people are only religious about things they don't understand"

[plush mason]

i mean. its not an atheist take its literally just a fact of human psychology

no i said its the default

hell even even do it irl today

[echo vault]

Pancreasnowork my beloved

[plush mason]

dont tell me you havent tried to talk to your PC when it isnt working quite right

[crisp heath]

(I might be a bit too biased towards the admech here since I do occasionally pray and make offerings to my machines lol)

[plush mason]

yeah

again its just the human default

[north lotus]

Righty tighty, lefty loosy come to mind?

[arctic talon]

I have straight up prayed for my code to work before

and its worked(for some god forsaken reason)

[north lotus]

Try mod load orders

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah no the machines definitely hear you and appreciate you

My truck loves me so she keeps going strong ❤️

[plush mason]

or god blessed maybe

[north lotus]

Praise Blake…

[north lotus]

Also

https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Adeptus_Mechanicus

[crisp heath]

What of Blood and Dark Angels M

?

[crisp heath]

How so?

[arctic talon]

Dark Angels are loyal unironically

Same with the blood angels

[crisp heath]

He's both, and he's bad at it

[odd palm]

Might as well mention every loyalist. All bitterly and steadfastly loyal

[crisp heath]

Which song?

[odd palm]

As for why you keep chaos hush, hush to the primarchs? Well, many would damn themselves simply trying to know more

[crisp heath]

Serve

[crisp heath]

I was referring to the specialty he mentioned

[arctic talon]

Ah

[unique berry]

Dark Agels are good at everything since they were the first they had no other choice

[odd palm]

I wouldn't say it's their primary specialty, one of a few secondary ones, sure.
They specialised in slowly, yet methodically purging unsanctioned texts/knowledge and replacing it the imperial creed

[crisp heath]

I was thinking about their function of eliminating all traces of something. Ironically this might have led to the Fallen problem, and that's brilliant

[arctic talon]

Dark Angels are really good at terminator assaults

And plasma

They’re also good with bikes

[crisp heath]

Indeed, Neoth made a huge mistake, just like his son

[odd palm]

A jack of all trades legion, much like the 13th

Or the 3rd

[rose thorn]

????

[crisp heath]

Magnus is a great traitor primarch since he started out non-malicious, just stupid as shit

[arctic talon]

Mfw even his friends told him

To not mess with the warp

He did it anyways

[rose thorn]

If someone tells you not to open a door that only you have the key to, and refuses to tell you why and then proceed yell at you for having the key. You would probably want to open the door lamo

[arctic talon]

Tbf Perturabo straight up said

He has horrific nightmares of the warp

[crisp heath]

I've come around to Perturabo but he still has a stupid reason for falling to Chaos

[arctic talon]

And can see a rift at every waking moment

And told Magnus don’t do it

This is only asking for trouble

[crisp heath]

"Oh no I'm sad and scared because I murdered my own family and also a couple million randos, but maybe my brother will forgive me"

[rose thorn]

Out of all the chaos shitting you do, I gotta agree with this lmao

[arctic talon]

Yeah his reason for falling was dumb

[rose thorn]

‘Join chaos specifically to fuck everyone else over and then proceeded to rage quit’

[crisp heath]

I actually like all the traitor primarchs, I just don't like daemons

Night Lords and EC have some cool stuff going on

[rose thorn]

Can’t wait fie EC codex where the stupid parts of their lore are fixed

2/3rds amazing, mwah

1/3rd so fuckinh STUpid

[crisp heath]

Depending on what they do with Vashtorr I might actually get into Chaos

[rose thorn]

And Belakor tbh

In AOS Belakor is fun because all he does is follow archeon and laugh at him

[arctic talon]

Belakor just stole a fucking moon

Lol

[rose thorn]

Archeon loses a battle, Belakor wins that battle with twice as many loses

[rose thorn]

WHAT?

[arctic talon]

In 40k

He stole house ravens homeworld

And corrupted 99% of the knight house

Y e p

[rose thorn]

OOHHH YEAHHH I READ FHAT in the codexes

Half of them are in a fleet looking for the stolen home world

[odd palm]

Belakor may have stolen a moon, are they based enough to drop a moon on your foes?

[arctic talon]

He wanted what was on it tbf

[rose thorn]

SKAVEn moments

[odd palm]

Autek Mor moments

[odd palm]

Fair, could drop it after XD

[arctic talon]

He just didn’t want Metallica interfering

Even tho they got their asses kicked anyways lol

[odd palm]

XD

[arctic talon]

God I hope they change it to being more then just a single plague company

Because that makes no sense

Should have been more bcs

It just looks weird lol

[rose thorn]

Side note; fuck that gw made it so you can make either 40k Belakor or AOS Belakor with the kit, and then proceed to make the kid have like no contact points for the body

Like it would look weird in one of the other

[odd palm]

Wait really?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

You can put either chains with AOS stuff attached or chains with 40k stuff attached

[odd palm]

Bruh, bit lazy tbh

[arctic talon]

Tbh I love belakor’s new mini

[rose thorn]

Me too but also my Belakor fell apart

[crisp heath]

What's the difference between the two? I just googled both of them and it looks like the same mini?

[arctic talon]

https://i.etsystatic.com/25450130/r/il/3eee8d/3203618348/il_fullxfull.3203618348_dw2i.jpg

[rose thorn]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/threeSixty/99129915058_BeLakorTheDarkMasterOTT1360/01-01.jpg

[arctic talon]

The 40k one has a dead primaris LT. And a space marine helmet

Also the dead guy

Is optional

[odd palm]

Always love to see a new Primaris LT model

[arctic talon]

For both of them

[rose thorn]

And if you don’t put the dead guy on it, it leaves 2 wierd pegs

A few wierd pegs

Actually those might be pebbles

Im@stupid those are rocks

[odd palm]

Not a huge problem, can be easily cleaned up regardless

[arctic talon]

Yeah they’re rocks

[rose thorn]

I gotta rebuild my Belakor but I don’t have a SOD army and I hate 40k demons lmao

So legsakor he will stay

And LOTFP was removed

[arctic talon]

LOTFP being removed is still weird

[rose thorn]

3000 points of demons wasted

[rose thorn]

I was expecting it to be shoved in SOD but apparently not. I heard somewhere the AOS guys are trying murder soup armies

[arctic talon]

Wait but

That makes literally 0 sense

[rose thorn]

Because they are hard to balance

[arctic talon]

That still makes 0 sense

When several AOS factions are literally built around that

[rose thorn]

Deaths soup specially army was murdered, and cities is still in the shadow realm of 2nd edition

[arctic talon]

True

[rose thorn]

And slaanesh’s soup army is still in 2nd but idk if it still works with the new SoD

It’s SoD Slaanesh demons and Hedonites in one army.

I have no fuckinh clue how it plays lmao

It’s called The Host of Syll’Esske btw

You need to have the same number of mortals and demons, 1/4 is demons, 1/4 if soul grinders, 1/4 is HoS, and 1/4 is SoD

It’s really weird but if you have 12+ models you get d6 extra command points lmao

And you get an extra depravity point if a model gets a kill in 6 inches of the opposite species

[rose thorn]

OH YEAH storm casts have soup don’t they?

[arctic talon]

Might’ be early 3e stuff

Not sure

[plush mason]

soup?

[rose thorn]

With cities I think? Like they could take 25% of their amry with cities if they were. A garrison

[rose thorn]

Multiple different armies in one

[plush mason]

ahh

[crisp heath]

What was meant to be the Blood Angels specialty

I was also asking about the dark angels

[rose thorn]

Ohhh, dark angels is probably combined arms and blood angels probably close quarters. Majority of all of legions were just meant for war lmao, but a few like word bearers ultra marines are more for non militaristic uses

And or dark angels could be good at hunting down people/traitors with their obsession with fallen as evidence

[sleek wigeon]

BTEC inquisitors

[rose thorn]

Yeah lol

There’s probably something better for blood angels but I actually never read any blood angels lore on my life

Everything I know for them is based off podcasts

Oh yeah night lords are less for war and more for terrorism

[sleek wigeon]

I havent read into much of the lore at all

but just from playing Mechanicus, I know admech is my favorite faction

[rose thorn]

I got into 40k from a video by bricky, He goes over every faction pretty quickly

It’s only 2 hours of content but it’s always good to find a faction you like and learn all their lore

[sleek wigeon]

watched those repeatedly

sometimes watch ad ridiculous

[rose thorn]

I’m a lunatic and learned like 80% of chaos lore

[sleek wigeon]

but the moment I settled on admech is when I was playing mechanicus and I got an upgrade for one of the priests (I was making him more ranged, bought legs for added repositioning)
and then this guy became a FUCKING SPIDER

que me laughing in awe at the sheer coolness

[rose thorn]

Admech are great! Just don’t play their table top right now Lmao

[sleek wigeon]

I hear they're either a strange or underpowered army on tabletop

[rose thorn]

They still literally don’t work, they are just a data sheet army

[rose thorn]

They used to be busted because their gimmick is with their stratagems, but then their stratagems got hella nerfed and they are still trying to recover to this day

it’s also probably worth finding a space marine legion you like so you can get new content for your faction more then twice every 3 years

[sleek wigeon]

out of the chapters, it feels like salamanders are tailor made for me
fire weapons, green and literally the best of the chapters to encounter as a civvie

[fallen marsh]

Blood Angels were made to be 1st wave of attack. They would drop them and secure the are for rest of the forces. Thats why they are faster to make. So they are able to reinforce quickly after high losses of the initial attack.

[rose thorn]

https://youtu.be/Ux0g6Cv_XZA

‘Space marines hand beaky helmets since the horus heresy (picture of HH marines) to modern day (picture of space marines that contains zero beaky helmets)’

[crisp heath]

Blood Angels were originally what World Eaters became lmao

[crimson kayak]

tbf i find the first model of marine cooler than most modern marines lol

[signal bramble]

In the great work novel you get to see a tech priest that’s a brain inside of jar, the jar is inside a spider tank.

[sleek wigeon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/709612377116508211/1065620980082417745/r6gctbc2tqn81.gif

that is rad

love me admech

[floral siren]

I'm just happy White Consuls are finally getting a dedicated character

On the tabletop

Captain Vitrian Messinius of the White Consuls. Lord Lieutenant of the Indomitus Crusades

[celest dome]

Did we need more SM dedicated characters ?

[floral siren]

Black Library decided yes

It's one of the ones where GW let BL pick a character to make for the tabletop

At least it's a good character from a successor chapter, not more ultra smurf

[celest dome]

The White Consuls is a Loyalist Second Founding Successor Chapter of the Ultramarines

I already knew it before even having to check

Ultramarine successor is just as close as Ultramarine

[plush mason]

i love that in mechanicus your tech priests start out fairly weak and by the end can wipe a whole room of necrons in a single turn lol

[crimson kayak]

Sounds of Skitaari Cohorts dying outside the tomb so that we can play Mechanicus Jones and the Necrodermis Skull

[celest dome]

Aye, but the troop caller that can just up and teleport troops right next to the Necron Lord

[plush mason]

dropping a kestelian behind the overlord was fun ngl

[celest dome]

I just hope that they make Mechanicus 2 with 3 factions (Admech, Tau and Necron)
And they go with a higher size, letting you have some small to medium vehicle

[dusk patrol]

We don’t need anything

It doesn’t hurt anyone to have one model for a chapter

[celest dome]

We could use more Non SM models

[dusk patrol]

And we’re getting them

Us getting this dude doesn’t mean we’re not getting a model for a different faction

It doesn’t work that way, if anything it’s the opposite

[floral siren]

But importantly. It is not Ultramarines, they're cooler

[dusk patrol]

This dude will probably end up making more money and paying for lots of other models from other factions which may not sell as well

Also the White Consuls are a pretty distinct chapter which are pretty cool

[floral siren]

They're like Salamanders mixed with Ultramarines, big focus on being leaders of humanity

[dusk patrol]

They used to be part of a group which defended the Eye

They had some similar chapters in the black and white consuls among a lot of others

Most are MIA or destroyed by now

[floral siren]

Yep, despite being in the other side of the Galaxy from it, and had two chapter masters to command things from afar and at home

It's okay they've been hyper inflated by Cawl's Primaris now

To make up for losing their chapter's homeworld to Nurglings

[arctic talon]

It’s an celebration mini so it doesn’t effect release schedules so yes

Those minis are usually made a while ago

[torpid narwhal]

so are the TAU the good guys?

[arctic talon]

define good

Less evil then the imperium

Yes

Not evil no

There is no good faction in 40k

Everyone is out for themselves

The Tau are an Authoritarian/oligarchic society that practice eugenics on themselves

24/7 propaganda

Also they have a caste system

Which is highly restrictive

Also they’re highly imperialistic grabbing just about anything they can take and hold

Do they commit mass genocide like the Imperium, no

But they’re a much closer to our modern day evil then any other 40k faction

[crimson kayak]

The tau are the most apparent good

[arctic talon]

I mean for it not being awful to live under them yeah

The averaging living standard in the tau empire is better then the imperium

There are no truly good factions in 40k

For the big ones

Also the Tau have “re education” camps

[north lotus]

and are a caste system

[arctic talon]

I already mentioned that

Along with the eugenics they do on themselves

Ironicially it’s prolly less awful to live as a human

Under the tau empire

Then as a Tau

[north lotus]

The tau are also messing around with warp drives which is a GREAT idea

[north lotus]

Which definitely won’t backfire

[arctic talon]

I mean

It already has lol

[north lotus]

It can go even worse.

[arctic talon]

Also the Tau

Honestly make the CIA

look like kids

[north lotus]

I go with more chicoms than CIA.

[arctic talon]

Eh

Fair

[unique berry]

Hey Wolf do u know why Black Legion Terminator got tusks?

[arctic talon]

Chaos drip, mutations on armor

[north lotus]

Mainly because CIA doesn’t do as much of their institutional capture behavior like the Chicoms do.

[arctic talon]

Eh true

[north lotus]

Unfortunately

[unique berry]

Thx

[north lotus]

But this is IRL history and not the depths of lore

[storm jungle]

The new chaos codex also says your armor literally reads your minds and re-alligns/creates drip accordingly

which is neat

[arctic talon]

Pog

Benefits of flesh metal

[storm jungle]

fr fr

if only my cheap Gap shirts did that

[arctic talon]

Just have to feed the massive flesh forge

Every couple of days

[celest dome]

Doesn't Chaos Armour in Fantasy do that too

[storm jungle]

Yeah it does

also lots more flesh fusing

[unique berry]

Thats epic

[storm jungle]

[echo vault]

Very mad that outside of winter assault there isn't much warhammer stuff set in the winter

[arctic talon]

Fall of cadia

It was technically during winter

Real shame the global fucking firestorm melted everything

[north lotus]

What I think is meant is the lack of snow

[dusk patrol]

See: Anything on Fenris

[arctic talon]

I mean

There was snow

It all melted

[dusk patrol]

Cadia has a lot of enviroments

[arctic talon]

Because of orbital bombardment

And other things

[north lotus]

Here’s a crazy one:

War in a dustbowl

[arctic talon]

Armageddon

All the fighting in the ash wastes

[north lotus]

Ever read up on the one from the 20’s and 30’s?

[arctic talon]

The one in the US

Yeah

[north lotus]

One of the terrifying things of it was that there was a ridiculous amount of static electricity

[echo vault]

I'm just saying a snowy battlefield with necrons dusted in snow marching across a tundra is cool as fuck

[arctic talon]

Ye

[north lotus]

That it is

[echo vault]

Same with snowy patterned tanks of all types not just IG like eldar tanks and tau stuff

Snowy camo battlesuits

Same with wraithguard, like they're frozen over trees

[north lotus]

I kinda want a deserts of kharak inspired similar thing for guard.

Like tanks with WIIIIIIIIIDE tracks

And puffy wheels

[honest trellis]

Forge World guard vs eldar

doom of mymeara

Ciaphas Cain's stuff with Valhallans

[echo vault]

I'm talking more as a style thing but that's always cool

[north lotus]

What I mean by this is having a set of custom “environmental retrofit” sets for imperial vehicles

[unique berry]

Are Forge World guard special or just form the Mechanicum?

[celest dome]

I think he meant Forge Wold Mini Guards

[honest trellis]

I meant Forge World the company

[celest dome]

As in anything other than Cadia and Catachan

[honest trellis]

it was...cadians and elysians vs Eldar

[unique berry]

Oh upps

[torpid narwhal]

i guess you wont live long being a good guy in the 40k universe

[arctic talon]

Forge world only made Elysian and krieg minis

And tanks

They made a lot of tanks

[undone zodiac]

Once i get discount ticket filled in nearest game store, im getting knight or a combat patrol

[tacit spoke]

hey is the dark imperium plague war book any good fellas?

[undone zodiac]

Ive read one part of it. Its decent at least for ultra smurf story

[tacit spoke]

thanks

[signal bramble]

I’ve read the series. Quite good.

It has some great scenes.

[vocal leaf]

Is there something like a mimic in 40k? Similar to lets say the elden ring mimic boss, that just fully imitates the player/ a someone

[signal bramble]

Callidus assassins?

[north lotus]

There’s certain slaanesh Magic’s that basically disguise the user as the most beautiful person the target(s) have ever seen

[signal bramble]

Callidus assassins use a substance called “Polymorphine” that allow them to drastically alter their shape and such. Though usually they stay human.

[vocal leaf]

Nono i mean literally copy 1:1 the same person it encounters so to speak. Not like a hypothetical other person.

[signal bramble]

The changeling.

A daemon of tzeentch.

It’s also well within tzeentch to create daemons capable of that.

[north lotus]

One slaanesh worshiper used it on Ciaphas and his retinue, which disguised it as Cain’s lover, amberly vale, only for jurgen to reveal the witch beneath…leading to a legendary one liner

[vocal leaf]

Just randomly fantasized about a boss in darktide that would just be mimic copies of the squad team you went in with as some sort of pseudo pvp but pve so i wondered if something like that is in 40k

[signal bramble]

That kind of shape changing is the purview of tzeentch.

[north lotus]

Pretty much

[signal bramble]

Given that his creatures can appear and alter forms it’s perfectly reasonable that a daemon of his or agent of his could.

[north lotus]

Granted at a certain point why would you

With tzeentch and his focus on ranged, I’d imagine he’s going to use traps

Like the kind you’re going to have to think outside the box with

Some advice, read from the wise words of Clint smith, specifically on stairwells

[arctic talon]

Tzeentch chaos followers aren’t even bad at melee

It’s their daemons that are

A tzaangor would prolly chop a guardsmen to pieces in cqb

[north lotus]

That’s the point I’m making, it’s a blue horror

[vocal leaf]

Just realized how easy it is to apply the seven deadly sins to imperiums enemies.
Pride - eldar
Greed - orks
Lust - slaanesh
Envy - ?
Gluttony - Nurgle
Wrath - Khorne
Sloth - necrons

Which faction could fit envy? Wanted to think tzeentch to have them all in but idk

[barren tapir]

Tau, because they wish they were the bigger fish in the pond

[plush mason]

^

literally the only thing enviable about the imperium is it's size and relative power

[arctic talon]

Gluttony would be nids imo

[vocal leaf]

Would work too, true

[echo vault]

We don't have a beastmen equivalent army to fit envy

[arctic talon]

Sloth also fits nurgle tbh

[storm jungle]

Envy at the fact that GW forgets they exist every time

https://tenor.com/view/polish-cow-cow-dancing-dance-dancing-cow-gif-19109155

[arctic talon]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbo-octopus-orange-takodachi-ninomae-inanis-cute-gif-24104068

[rose thorn]

salaanesh's realm has 6 of the 7 deadly sins as its rings

[rose thorn]

also envy FOR THE GREAT HORNED RAT

[rose thorn]

took hwo many years to get a new beast lord model that still looks like its resin lmao

[rose gyro]

Tau

[honest trellis]

It's pretty shoddy

Guy Haley writes a basic paint by numbers 40k story that veers into literally just a primaris toy catalogue at times

There's no art to Haley stories but they're just...there

[signal bramble]

Devastation of Baal was pretty good.

[dusk patrol]

Haley does plenty of good or good enough books tbh, Dark Imperium and the like had issues but there’s good moments

[signal bramble]

He also wrote Flesh and Steel which was fantastic imo.

[dusk patrol]

The fact that he has to crank them out in like a month doesn’t help

[signal bramble]

I love the warhammer crime stuff.

[dusk patrol]

You can definitely tell when he’s more invested in a book I think

But his Dark Imperium books I think served their purpose fine

[signal bramble]

Sandy Mitchel and Chris Wraight are my top two authors.

[rose thorn]

I need a good raven guard audiobook, any suggestions?

The audio dramas is probably the least interesting audio dramas I’ve ver heard Lmao

[simple sparrow]

Speaking of books, are there any books that feature psykers? 👀

[storm jungle]

Witchbringer is a brand new one that has it

https://www.blacklibrary.com/prod-home/new/ebook-witchbringer-eng-2022.html

[simple sparrow]

Sweet thanks

[storm jungle]

np

[versed ledge]

So if the inquisition breaks, will the imperium survive?

[celest dome]

No, but Humanity still might

[storm jungle]

the Inquisition's job can be literally done by anyone else

so yeah

[celest dome]

The Imperium as it currently is would not survive without the Inquisition
Now is it a good or a bad thing that is to you to decide

[signal bramble]

Local forces would still be rooting out aliens and heresy when possible.

But without the inquisition directing that would probably be much less effective.

[gaunt sable]

Here's a good question.

Is Eisenhorn a Heretic?

[dusk patrol]

Yes

As the series goes on he definitely is

Now when that happens fully is a matter of opinion

[gaunt sable]

He's definitely a Radical. But I think there's a debate to be had on if he's a Heretic.

[dusk patrol]

But by the end and by the newer books he’s corrupted

He’s openly working with a Daemonhost, traitor legions, he shows signs of corruption, he’s completely on his own, he uses chaos instruments.

The point of Quixos in book 2 is it shows the path he’s going down

[north lotus]

That’s what is meant by radical

The radical vs puritan spectrum more refers to means rather than ends

[dusk patrol]

If what Eisenhorn does isn’t heresy, then the word has no meaning

[gaunt sable]

1. Daemonhosts arent always a sign of being a Heretic. An Extreme Xanthite for sure.
2. He was working with an Alpha Legionarie....Which....You know. Is Schrodingers Heretic.

[north lotus]

Puritans focus on following traditional “safe” means to achieve goals.

[dusk patrol]

And having a relationship with a daemon like Churbael, openly working with a traitor legion marine, using countless chaos artifacts, and appearing noticeably corrupted to your friends. If the word heretic means anything, Eisenhorn fits it

If we saw a character doing what he did and it wasn’t Eisenhorn who we like because we’ve seen his perspective, you’d think he’s a heretic

Just because he’s a heretic doesn’t mean he isn’t still trying to do good

But he’s lost still

And probably can’t ever come back

[gaunt sable]

I'll point out once again that newer lore from the H.H. books calls into Question just how Traitorous the Alpha Legion are.

[dusk patrol]

He’s far beyond any radical we’ve seen ever that I can recall who wasn’t also just considered a heretic

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t

[gaunt sable]

And that most everything else you brought up is also something plenty of radical inquisitors do.

[dusk patrol]

It’s not

The Daemonhost thing is way beyond what most radicals do for one

[north lotus]

He’s the Walter white of the inquisition, at what point he becomes a heretic is a interesting question

[dusk patrol]

He’s not just summoning one

He’s like, friends with it

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I think it arguably doesn’t even happen during the original trilogy

[gaunt sable]

...... Cherubael is very charismatic.

[dusk patrol]

But by the Magos/Bequin books he’s definitely too far gone

[dusk patrol]

Sorta, but the point is still that as much as you can see what he’s done and it really does come across as justified, he’s still damned.

It’s the point of the series arguably, and Ravenor is an example of someone who almost ended up falling that far but didn’t

[north lotus]

It’s as I’ve said, ends vs means

[gaunt sable]

I'll point out that Eisenhorns relationship with Cherubael is possible because Cherubael is exceptionally intelligent and charismatic and for some insane reason has had a soft spot for Gregor. He's not at all the usual sort of Daemon.

[dusk patrol]

This isn’t the argument for Eisenhorn you think it is

[gaunt sable]

Ravenor got exceptionally chummy with the Eldar to the point of calling one, "My Lord Seer." XD

He has literally no room to talk.

[dusk patrol]

And tbh daemons being charismatic is pretty common

[celest dome]

Diplomacy with Eldar isn't as bad as what ever Eisenhorn is doing

[dusk patrol]

Yes and that’s not near as bad as being friends with a daemon

Guilliman talks respectfully to Eldrad

[gaunt sable]

True. But Cherubael comes across more as a person than most Daemons have ever been portrayed.

[dusk patrol]

Tons of Xenos inquisitors have dealings with Xenos

[dusk patrol]

Once again, this is not a good argument for Eisenhorn

It’s actually worse

Since he’s the one allowing Cherubael the freedom to act that way

[gaunt sable]

Cherubael is thrice warded and if memory serves had Euncia used on him to make him even more compliant.

[dusk patrol]

And by Bequin we see he’s been let off his leash even more

[gaunt sable]

Probably because Enuncia.

[dusk patrol]

No, because Ravenor notices it and Eisenhorn being more chummy, like dude

The book literally spells this stuff out for you

It’s the point of the series

[gaunt sable]

It's also taking place from Ravenors point of view who does view his old Master as a Heretic.

[dusk patrol]

Yes because he is

You do realize Ravenor is probably the most charitable opinion on Eisenhorn in the Imperium right?

[gaunt sable]

Because Ravenor thinks it.

[dusk patrol]

He desperately does not want Eisenhorn to be a heretic

[gaunt sable]

I would hope Ravenor had a positive opinion of himself. XD

[dusk patrol]

If Ravenor thinks it, then he’s definitely too far gone

[gaunt sable]

Ravenor arguably swung back hard to being a Puritan.

[dusk patrol]

He gives Eisenhorn a shitton of chances but by the Bequin books he’s willing to have to kill him

[dusk patrol]

He didn’t, we see him still have relationships with Craftworld Leadership

He’s definitely still a radical

At least by Ordo Xenos standards

[gaunt sable]

Radical in some ways, Puritan in others.

[dusk patrol]

This sounds like some copium ngl

[gaunt sable]

And I was referring to his series.

[dusk patrol]

Even in that series he still is extreme radical

He literally goes rogue

[gaunt sable]

Which sort of felt like the opposite of Eisenhorns.

[dusk patrol]

He’s Eisenhorn but not as far gone

Partially because he didn’t need to

[celest dome]

Heresy is relative, but for the grand Inquisition Eisenhorn is very much a Heretic

[dusk patrol]

If Eisenhorn isn’t a heretic, then nobody ever is

He literally says himself he’s become as he saw Quixos to be

[gaunt sable]

I'll admit some of this is devil's advocate.
My personal opinion is that he's probably dancing on the thin strand of a piano wire between an extreme radical and a Heretic.

He's so damn close to falling, swaying this way and that, that it's damnably hard to argue.

[dusk patrol]

I think he’s a heretic but that doesn’t mean he’s fully gone, but he definitely is borderline

And he probably can’t keep himself from falling

[celest dome]

What is heresy

[gaunt sable]

Well he's not that bad. Quixos's plans were utterly insane.

[dusk patrol]

Were they though

He could arguably have prevented the 13th BC

[gaunt sable]

Quixos instigated the Thracian Atrocity to retrieve a single Alpha+ Psyker.
And who knows how many other instances to assemble his collection all to power a single pylon.

And if that one worked he'd keep doing it until he had enough to enact his full plan.

And it's heavily implied that the activation of a single Pylon would wreck at the very least a continent and more likely the entire planet and then some.

And Quixos knew all of this and didn't give a flying fuck.

The difference between Eisenhorn and Quixos is that while both are willing to bend or break the rules, Quixos had a, 'The Ends Justify the Means' mentality that Eisenhorn lacks.

So far Eisenhorn hasn't instigated even a single Thracian Atrocity as a mere 'Part 1, of Phase 0 of my cunning plan!'

Eisenhorn has definitely done really shady shit in pursuit of his goals, but nothing to the scale of Quixos.

[dusk patrol]

Eisenhorn also has a ends justify the means mentality, sure it’s not the scale of Quixos yet that we’ve seen but my point being, he himself sees Quixos in himself

Like this stuff is all but spelled out

[nova light]

Hi general question, been reading about ogryns recently, are our ogryns boneheads?

[dusk patrol]

Officially, no

But how they act, tbh yes

[gaunt sable]

I'll point out that Eisenhorn says that because as his series demonstrates he has a lot of self doubt and fear.

[dusk patrol]

Only one is officially one though

[dusk patrol]

Dude like, I feel like even if Abnett wrote a blog saying he’s this you still wouldn’t believe it

Idk what else to tell you

[nova light]

Ah okay ty!

Makes sense

[dusk patrol]

It’s pretty clear in the books what’s intended

[gaunt sable]

Only Bardgryns a bone head. The others aren't. There's even lines from one of the others talking about wishing he has the procedure done and the other saying that he (personally.) Doesn't need it.

[dusk patrol]

He’s not as far gone as he could be, but he’s definitely far gone

[nova light]

Oh that's cool! I haven't heard that line yet but rare to get multiple ogryns in a group haha

Small drop ship and all

[gaunt sable]

I'll be back. Been wanting to go on a four mile run before getting caught up in this discussion. XD

[celest dome]

The idiocy or Ogryn are also exaggerated in the lore often times

[dusk patrol]

I mean, if it’s what we see in most examples, then it’s just kind of how they act

The majority of appearances I can think of in books or codexes do not have them near as smart as the ones we see in this game

The exception being an Ogryn Psyker who was explicitly supposed to be insanely intelligent and was an oddity for it

[celest dome]

Well most people say they have an intelligence level of 5 years olds, previous lore I would put to at least 12, like they know what they are doing a lot of the time but they are very emotional.

Ours are a bit smarter, supposedly they are also a bit older, having been part of the Guard before

[storm jungle]

damn i missed the radical puritan chat

[barren tapir]

Seems that there is a female SM discussion in general if you wanna jump in

[storm jungle]

oh god

[untold edge]

Emperor ballin but at what cost

[storm jungle]

My sanity for starters

Anyway, guys, important question time

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/368066737167400960/1066023910392463400/image.png?width=705&height=231

Are barrel-magazine bolters cursed or not cursed.

Discuss.

[verbal path]

I see no issue here.

[dusk patrol]

The important thing is I’m right and everyone else is wrong

Unless they agreed with me

Then they’re kinda right but I’m still more right

[storm jungle]

damn

[barren tapir]

Super cursed, and since it is me saying so it is absolute truth, and everyone that doesn't agree don't know shit about the subject

[dusk patrol]

Tbh, I like the look

But I accept it makes no fucking sense

[verbal path]

The bullet gets to the chamber by faith.

[barren tapir]

That would be true if it was ork weaponry

But eh, faith powers are just human waaagh energy, so beat me

[tardy jungle]

quietly sneaks into the right server

[north lotus]

Yes, but it’s understandable if it’s a exclusively Gyrojet bolter with no kicker charge

[north lotus]

I used one over in DC

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/fallout_gamepedia/images/1/1d/COMBATSHOTGUN.png/revision/latest?cb=20110211034012

[north lotus]

Or a PPS43 type setup https://gun.deals/sites/default/files/xxaaetqyrwutr1546aetrwy4aet69750785bcxhbgrw.jpg

[verbal path]

At least the chamber's still over the magazine with the PPS43.

[north lotus]

I agree, I’m more saying the extremely long travel distance

[north lotus]

The reason Setups like this pps43 are like they are is because they have their bolts not be a telescopic design

What a telescopic bolt let’s you reduce the size while maintaining the weight for a blowback open bolt smg to safely operate

[north lotus]

This bad quality image of a UZI bolt is a example of a telescopic bolt

Basically having the chamber behind most of the weight instead of at the very front

[bronze trellis]

So... Moebian 6th are able to summon Beasts of Nurgle and bind daemon hosts. That makes them one of the more competent, spooky traitor guard regiments there is

[storm jungle]

The summonings are most likely the Cult of the Admonition's doing

the Moebians are probably just offering the extra muscle seeing as they worship the same chaos god

[bronze trellis]

A hellish mix of the cult's esoteric capabilities mixed with the professionalism and tactics of a traitor guard regiment

[celest dome]

Might be due to the Xenos Chaos worshipper knowledge

[north lotus]

Traitor guard are unique in that you can see a wide variety of discipline levels in them, and generally like with CSM, you tend to have a lot more greybeards in their armies

[bronze trellis]

Still, the ability to bind and summon daemons is a big deal. CSM like the Thousand Sons struggle with that sometimes, as do radical inquisitors. And they normally have many more resources

Whatever is happening to the second hive city and what is going on deeper within the underhive is spooky

[coarse mirage]

So has anyone made a Leagues of Votann army after DRG?

[barren tapir]

Afaik they were made even before release as concept

Like, for colour palette

[hoary saffron]

What happens if a normal human or a space marine drinks the gene soup from one of those tyranid spawning or digestion pools?

Like, do they turn into some horrid monstrosity or just barf it out?

Because I cannot find an answer to this. There must be some fucked up guy out there in the Imperium who got close to drinking some bug juice

[storm jungle]

Realistically speaking probably just convulse/puke/die

that digestive pool has tyranid micro-organisms and god knows what else in it

[hoary saffron]

I imagine a tyranid just popping out of a person, Alien style

[barren tapir]

They are digesting pools, they would digeste the person that drink it i guess

[hoary saffron]

Aren't digesting pools and the spawning ones different or it's just a catch all pool for everything? I know the genestealers go to the spawning pool to die.

Nvm it's the same thing, just checked on lexicanum

"The pools are then harvested by hive ships which enter low orbit and pump the gene-rich biological soup on board via Capillary Towers."

.....I WANT THE SPACE BUG SOUP

[barren tapir]

There are no spawning pools lol

[barren tapir]

Then make it yourself, take this hammer 🔨 and go pulp some of those bugs

[north lotus]

Go to space china then

Go get space covid

[hoary saffron]

That's just the Imperium

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[hoary saffron]

-Has a god emperor

• massive population with little care for citizens wellbeing
  -stupidly complex burecratic system
• language is divided into a 'low' simplified and a 'high' traditional one
• rich and diverse culture
• very unequal
  -Constantly fighting itself and has the deadliest civil wars.
  -Constantly fights neighbors
• somehow very religious but also atheistic
• Constantly has had problems with said religion in the past

[arctic talon]

It’s funny because it’s true

[hoary saffron]

Also

• has a neighbor with a caste system

[arctic talon]

Also has an isolationist neighbor who doesn’t like them very much

[rose thorn]

Omfg Gulliman is literally a gamer

In Corax Gulliman is amazing at a ‘training simulation’ he calls a game that’s basically fps civ game

The most amount of times he was beaten was 3 by Corax

At a score of 3-20

Gulliman literally calls it a toy Lmao

[arctic talon]

Funnily enough I think Gulliman lost the first 3 games

And won every single one after

[rose thorn]

Yeah because Corax used his strategy of ‘ha ha assassins go burrrr’

It literally caused Gulliman to consider using a similar strategy in his legion

[barren tapir]

The moritat, they weren't exactly assassin only though

[arctic talon]

Tbh guilliman is good at taking other peoples ideas and using them

[rose thorn]

Didn’t one of his marines literally tell Gulliman ‘our job is to do what everyone else does but better’

[dusk patrol]

The point of the exercise was Guilliman learned how to adapt extremely fast and then Corax couldn’t beat him. He could win battles but never the war ultimately.

Which is pretty indicative of how Guilliman operates

[storm jungle]

Also add

• Executing its own citizens

• Re-education camps

• Propaganda

• Starving its own citizens

• Cannibalism

[arctic talon]

Cannibalism Ironicially isn’t widespread

In the imperium

It’s only in shitholes

(The places we always see)

[rose thorn]

• mass censorship
• SP
• political incompetence

[rose thorn]

Ah so 70% of the imperium

[arctic talon]

Yep

[hoary saffron]

*99%

[arctic talon]

But unironically corpse starch usually isn’t like

Human meat

It’s grown with human compost

It’s pretty rare it’s actual human meat

But it happens

[rose thorn]

It’s so weird that humans eat eldar

[arctic talon]

Necromunda kekw

[storm jungle]

WHAT

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

i dont remember reading that anywhere

[barren tapir]

Pretty sure that isn't true

[rose thorn]

• wiat was that cannon or fan fic

[storm jungle]

has to be fanfic

because like

[arctic talon]

Humans can eat squig

[storm jungle]

1. Where are you gonna find eldar

2. Why use xenos meat

[arctic talon]

But I’m orettt sure eldar is like

Never eaten lol

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

It’s too scarce

And also like

[storm jungle]

literally

[arctic talon]

If eldar fight

[rose thorn]

No they do

[arctic talon]

PDFs usually get slaughtered lol

[rose thorn]

IN FULGRIM

[storm jungle]

Yeah this too.

A single aspect warrior can kill like 20 guardsman most of the time

[rose thorn]

Eldar was served as a meal lmao

[storm jungle]

oh god lmao

[arctic talon]

Okay well that’s to show their corruption

That isn’t like

[storm jungle]

yeee

[arctic talon]

A good indicator lol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

Especially since marines eat anything

Like

Literal fucking wood

[storm jungle]

or rocks

[arctic talon]

Is on the menu

[rose thorn]

Yea lamo

[storm jungle]

average turkish classmate

https://tenor.com/view/jerma-archeology-stone-jerma-eating-rock-man-eat-stone-gif-20662870

[rose thorn]

Ferrus munching on SAND

[arctic talon]

It helps with digestion

[rose thorn]

For birds lmao

[arctic talon]

Lol

I’m glad you found the joke

[storm jungle]

but yeah necromunda also has like

literal shops

where you can take corpses you found

and sell them for food

lmao

or just money

[rose thorn]

Lazy corpse grinder cult?

[arctic talon]

Necromunda is a shithole tbf

Like

[storm jungle]

its awful yeah

[arctic talon]

Even worse then normal

That wouldn’t be allowed

Now mystery meat stew

That’s on the menu

[storm jungle]

Lord Helmawr's public announcements literally encourage gang wars and congratulates them on it lmao

what is this

San Andreas?

[arctic talon]

Warhammer crime is great

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah honestly they are good stock for the military that way

[arctic talon]

Since there’s a Nobel who runs a corpse starch like

[storm jungle]

no like, its not even military

[rose thorn]

Like the necromunda spiders

[arctic talon]

Production line lol

[storm jungle]

yeee

[arctic talon]

He only eats corpse starch

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

I forgot that

[arctic talon]

Which is funny

But he doesn’t even like normal food lol

[storm jungle]

you'd die really quickly from eating any sort of human meat, re-processed or not

so rip

[rose thorn]

oh lmAo that’s hilarious

[arctic talon]

He makes “high quality” corpse starch

For nobles lol

[storm jungle]

oh god

💀

[arctic talon]

It’s just flavored better

[storm jungle]

its literally

that fucking scene in Hannibal

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

where he serves high-society guests meat rolls

[arctic talon]

Like roasted grox

[rose thorn]

What the fuck are the guys in necromunda who literally suck the water out of people?

[arctic talon]

And fresh fish

[storm jungle]

the water guild

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Water guild

[storm jungle]

aka Water Cartel's gigachad cousin

[rose thorn]

Lmao it’s so@dumb I love it

[barren tapir]

If you have ever played mars:war logs or the technomancer game you know how that work

[arctic talon]

It’s also not human meat tbf

[storm jungle]

oof

[arctic talon]

It’s made from starch

Grown

In human compost

[storm jungle]

I shouldnt read this while eating a banana

[arctic talon]

And he’s “proud” of it

Lol

[storm jungle]

[arctic talon]

It’s very public advertising

[rose thorn]

Also GSC fucking liter necromunda lmao

Litter*

[arctic talon]

Zombies as well lol

[storm jungle]

Munda just has everything

[rose thorn]

I think the only thing keeping the cults down is literally the mass violence

Necromunda is such a good setting

[storm jungle]

nah

its just plot

[north lotus]

Necromunda is Compton/Detroit in space basically last I checked

[storm jungle]

GSC have taken over MUCH more violent worlds

they are extremely devious fuckers

[arctic talon]

Necromunda makes Cambodia under pol pot look like it has a good infant mortality rate

[rose thorn]

Fair

[barren tapir]

We have gangs that have been corrupted by GSC

Orlock and escher to be precise

[storm jungle]

Yeah i wouldnt normally push it but they can literally spread their genestealer infection through any means it doesnt even have ot be physical

its why they are so broken OP

[rose thorn]

I’m excited for the guard combat patrol box so I can covert it all to brood brothers

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[arctic talon]

Based

[storm jungle]

the Dorn would look great as a GSC tank too ngl

[rose thorn]

yeaH honestly I wanna make a gsc baneblade

It would be trash in a gsc army but lmao

[storm jungle]

honestly worth it alone for just

taking it out

[north lotus]

That’s a problem of “how easy can they swipe it”

[storm jungle]

putting it on a table

"I got this now"

[north lotus]

A couple lemans get lost? No one bats an eye

[rose thorn]

Guard stuff in gsc can’t get the funny point buffs right?

Like the ‘ha ha suddenly CAR’

I can’t remember what it’s called uHhhhh

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah fucking scare the opponent with a quarter of my army of pure gun

And then lose it next turn

[arctic talon]

Guard stuff in gsc can take upgrades iirc

[rose thorn]

Still cheaper then a normal gsc army

[rose thorn]

WHAT

[arctic talon]

You can take sponsons and stuff

[rose thorn]

CAN I FUCKING DEEPSTRIKE A BANE BLADE?

[arctic talon]

Oh

Those ones

I’m not sure

[north lotus]

“CREEEEEEEED!”

[arctic talon]

Sorry

[shadow plover]

think the gsc deepstrike upgrades are for non vehicles

[slender orchid]

Nah. Can't use any cult creeds, abilities, or strategems on brood Brothers. Also think we are point capped at 1/4 of the army now.

[rose thorn]

Ah I got the deep strike and a trap sprung mixed up

It wasn’t deep strike it was a better charge

Damn it would be so funny

[rose thorn]

Ah okay, i thoguht it was no relics or warlord traits

Was only no*

Still gonna do it, and it’s gonna be named something stupid edgy like ‘the star’s light’ or something

[arctic talon]

It’s been 1/4th since 8e right

Or am I insane

[rose thorn]

Yea

And the bane blade is only 430

[arctic talon]

Poggers

[rose thorn]

A baneblade is cheaper then 430 points of gsc

[celest dome]

In theory gangs from any of the houses have already been turned into GSC, i think there is mention of one based o a Goliath gang

[barren tapir]

I know for sure of those two, know that cawdor are fighting against GSC for control of a hive and delanque are doing something shady too... Never heard anything about other houses like Van Saar or goliath, both would be hard to infect without someone noticing