40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Very strong

[crisp heath]

(The exception is Felicia Tayber, my beloved)

[arctic talon]

lol

[signal bramble]

Well younger tech priests usually don’t have the extreme body mods yet.

[arctic talon]

he isn't young tho

he's a Magos

[ripe ravine]

they lost armor of contempt 😉

[signal bramble]

Young is relative by 40k standards.

[arctic talon]

I have no sympathy for those who crutched on it

Despite having a marine army

[ripe ravine]

i'm not sad either but I play guard of course i'm not

[arctic talon]

lmao

[gaunt sable]

Biologis Tech Priests pretty sure go in more for biotech then hard cybernetics.

[arctic talon]

they do a lot of the time

[gaunt sable]

But yeah. I swear to fucking god if the Interrogator is strictly for straight chicks I'mma fuckin scream. Dx

Although a gay tech priest would be nice too.

[crisp heath]

The mods are more a status than age thing, a tech priest can just not rise through the ranks for centuries and remain relatively unmodified

It's just that the big bois are always ancient as shit so age and status seem correlated

I hope you can romance multiple characters too

[signal bramble]

There’s that and the fact we don’t know how long he’s been a magos.

[crisp heath]

I need to play out my interstellar Sapphic harem power fantasy

[signal bramble]

A senior magos won’t even be recognizable as having a human anatomy.

[ripe ravine]

I just want to be able to dress like victorian snake plissken and i'll be happy with rogue trader

[crisp heath]

Yeah I wish you could customize your characters appearance more

[signal bramble]

Since it’s 40k I’m hoping there isn’t a good or evil path. The kind of stuff a loyal RT does vs a more radical one.

[crisp heath]

But I usually play gingers anyway so ig I'm OK with the female rogue trader

[crisp heath]

As far as I can tell a major part of the story is going to be gaining the trust of the interrogator, but it'd be nice if it let's you play super heretical but able to convince him you aren't lol

I'd imagine there is some kind of "morality" but I hope it's kind of flexible

[signal bramble]

There will be a morality system but I don’t want a noble bright option in a 40k game.

[gaunt sable]

Like I said. I'm just worried that gay guys are gonna be thrown under the bus.
Owlcat's Pathfinder games gave players kinda scant romance options compared to everyone else.

[signal bramble]

Noble bright is fine in a Star Wars game. I don’t want it in a 40k game.

[crisp heath]

Eh Rogue Traders are bit more colorful and fun so I wouldn't mind if you could play out a pulpy, heroic dude

[arctic talon]

the morality system is Radical vs orthodox

is the system

[signal bramble]

Right and orthodox imperium is definitely not “good.”

[crisp heath]

Kingmaker was also based off an adventure that didn't have any romance in it

The only real sexual expression in Pathfinder is that the gods are mostly queer and 2 of them are explicitly patrons of kink, other than that it tries to be a bit tame on romance because nothing is more awkward than role-playing a date with your DM

[arctic talon]

I'm assuming that the romance isn't gona be that indepth ngl

[gaunt sable]

That'd be shocking. xD

[arctic talon]

but Owlcat has always been pretty light

but eh we'll see

this is completely original

[crisp heath]

You can't draw a navigator like that and not let the player boink her

[arctic talon]

its not built from any existing campaigns

[crisp heath]

There'd be riots

[gaunt sable]

Even Disco Elysium had you being able to explore your feelings with Homo-Sexual Underground. :p

[gaunt sable]

You probably don't want to.

[crisp heath]

Honestly that's going to be my fear with rpgs going forward. I worry everyone will want a "I want to make fuck with you" moment

[gaunt sable]

Eh, would prefer just actual well written romance stuff.

[arctic talon]

Same

[crisp heath]

I'd settle for linear story for each romanceable character if its decent and fairly long

I just don't like "15 minutes of game play, you do a sex and unlock a new voiceline"

[gaunt sable]

Those are generally only if your gay. :V
Straights get like an hour plus of unique dialogue and quests and stuff. :V

[crisp heath]

Apparently the interrogator is romanceable, not locked by gender, the admech isn't

So gay guys are shit out of luck but I can get my Sapphic harem of galactic conquest

[gaunt sable]

How are gay guys shit out of luck when you said the Interrogator is romanceable by either m or f?

Though can't parse out what you mean by the AdMech guy. xD

[crisp heath]

@gaunt sable 3 men on the ship, one is romanceable and one is not, whether the last one is isn't released yet

[gaunt sable]

Where you getting the info btw? Would love to read and share it.

Although watch as every female companion IS romanceable. (Or at least almost all of them.)

[crisp heath]

Just digging through the steam page

[crisp heath]

Yeah, that's what it's looking like rn, minus the sister

[gaunt sable]

Their letting you romance the Eldar? Fucking knew it. xD

[crisp heath]

Bitches love elves

[gaunt sable]

Can't upset the straight guys who wanna romance hot wimmenz. xD

Seriously, literally every female companion is designed to ooze sex appeal. 9_9

[crisp heath]

I can almost guarantee the navigators character design was made by a lesbian

[gaunt sable]

Probably, but I've seen a lot of straight guys simp for her.

[crisp heath]

The male gaze is not drawn towards cold, unfeeling and slightly damp skin or bulging veins

[gaunt sable]

You underestimate men. xD

The level of guys going feral for Cassia, Argenta, Idira and Yrliet would be astounding if it weren't expected.

Meanwhile gay guys get one romance....Again.

[arctic talon]

Honestly the eldar romance is prolly gona be she isn't disgusted by your presence

And nothing more lol

since Humans are pretty much like dogs to them

feral dogs but

They don't want to kick the dog so to speak lol

[gaunt sable]

Their adding in a romance and making it FORBIDDEN love because otherwise nerds would revolt over not being able to romance a hot red headed elf waifu. xD

[arctic talon]

lmao

its just gona be they stop calling you Mon Kai

[gaunt sable]

Look me in the eye and tell me I'm wrong. xD

[arctic talon]

I will

Also

i don't see anything saying the eldar is romancable

I might be dumb tho

[gaunt sable]

Based off stuff Tea was talking about.

[arctic talon]

yeah I don't see anything on the steam page

about it

and I didn't remember anything on the article they released of her

mentioning romance

[gaunt sable]

I haven't found any hard romance stuff either but Tea claims of the three presented male characters only the Interrogator is romanceable and isn't gender locked.
Meanwhile of the FIVE female characters so far presented only one isn't romanceable.

[gaunt sable]

Well I asked Tea for a source.
But it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.

[arctic talon]

odds are you can't romance the Psyker because ||you literally get the option to kill her very early in the story||

[gaunt sable]

Owlcat's War of the Righteous game had a massive imbalance in regards to romances.

[hushed kayak]

what is this?

[arctic talon]

yeah because it was based on an existing RPG campaign

and its an old campaign

so

[crisp heath]

I'm just going off the steam community, don't have an official release on hand

[gaunt sable]

In War of the Righteous you had two romance options for straight female PC's, two option for gay male PC's, three options for lesbian PCs and four options for heterosexual male PC's.

[arctic talon]

I wouldn't trust the steam community

[hushed kayak]

is this a fan 40k game?

[arctic talon]

no

its by Owlcat

which made the pathfinder games

[hushed kayak]

Owlcat?

[arctic talon]

they got a license from GW to make this

they make a lot of adaptations of RPG campaigns

to a digital enviroment

[hushed kayak]

what’s the game called?

[arctic talon]

Rogue Trader

[gaunt sable]

It's based off the TTRPG Rogue Trader game by fantasy flight games.

[hushed kayak]

oh this, i thought it was a card game. when i saw this in warhammer fest

imma add this to the list, since it’s warhammer and rpg lol

[crisp heath]

Hey Owlcat? Let me romance a tyranid, cowards

[gaunt sable]

But yeah. Straights, especially straight guys are absolutely spoiled. I've gotten jaded over the years.

[arctic talon]

Because the only confirmed romancable stuff in their articles was the Interrigator

and the Navigator

[hushed kayak]

that sounds pretty familiar

[arctic talon]

lol

[gaunt sable]

Man. I kinda wish I could make my Rogue Trader a Psyker. So you know. Psyker boyfriends.

[arctic talon]

that would be fun

[gaunt sable]

Sadly probably won't happen. xD
And I still half expect Owlcat to pull the rug from underneath queer guys.

[arctic talon]

yeah

[crisp heath]

I'm a simple woman. Girl + Gun + abominable mutation = cute

[arctic talon]

unfortunately

[gaunt sable]

Lesbians get a pass from straights because straight guys can and do fetishize lesbians.

[arctic talon]

💀

[gaunt sable]

But gay guys? x-x;
Yeah, we get fucked.

I'm still salty at how Bioware treated it's gay/bi male audience with the Mass Effect series. Especially with all the queerbaiting.

[arctic talon]

ME1 had cut stuff for Kaiden + maleshep

[hushed kayak]

so today, i got my horus heresy age of darkness set. Open the rule book, i see the galaxy. There is an actual planet called Baka

[ripe ravine]

b-b-baka!

[gaunt sable]

Took them three games to finally deliver any kind of male same sex romance and they did an absolute shit job of it.
Kaiden has the potential of being dead by ME3 due to a choice all the way back in ME1.
The other male same sex romance came off as creepy due to you being a rebound to a guys dead husband who died fighting Reapers or something.
There were other issues with how the romances were started, the criminal lack of romance dialogue compared to other romances. (With a lot of time wasted on verifying you wanted to date another guy.) And then fucking up the lighting and censoring everything including the kissing. xD

Then Adromeda doubled down on it by queerbaiting audiences with the promise of a companion romance. Then not following through and giving only a pair of NPC's who didn't even have unique faces like Companions.
Having the absolute shortest amount of unique romance dialogue, an even lazier romance scene with even more censoring that wouldn't be out of place in Austin Powers and a really dumb romance quest.

Meanwhile BioWare splurged on packing a romance cutscene that was almost literally softcore porn for the Straight Romances and added like 1-2 hours of unique romance dialogue.

[arctic talon]

Their battle fleet is actually pretty important in lore lol

They participated in the plague wars and first tyranic war lol

[hushed kayak]

I would’ve remembered an important detail like that

[arctic talon]

battle fleet bakka saved the ultramarines

I'm not joking

[hushed kayak]

welp, the more you know

[arctic talon]

you cannot save yourself from this knowledge

[hushed kayak]

soul cries in agony

[gaunt sable]

Call me when theres a planet named Bob. :V

[upbeat dagger]

does "prime" mean anything in terms of planet names

or is it simply a title

[shadow plover]

it's usually the capital of the system

it's pretty much a high gothic term for 'first'

or primus

[celest dome]

In reality it just mean the 1st planet (going away from the Star), with Earth being Solar 3

But in 40k I think it's the most populated/important planet of the system

[shadow plover]

another example is the Baal system with Baal being the main planet and it's moons are called Baal Primus and Baal Secundus

[wintry cosmos]

Question: during the Tyrannid attack on Baal, didn't a Bloodthrister massacre the remnants of the Hive Fleet after Guiliman arrived to make sure the Sons of Sanguinius died at his hands, or did that come before?

[storm jungle]

Before.

Guilliman arrived as backup later

[copper cliff]

that's a real power move ngl

[dusk patrol]

Kinda, he originally was gonna show up on like Baal Secundus where the Blood Angels monastery is, or which one it is I can’t get the moons and main planet straight in my head, but Mephiston and all the Blood Angels librarians managed to fuck with his attempt to return to realspace, making it so he could only come back for a limited time and instead he showed up on one of the lesser moons.

Where the Flesh Tearers and Knights of Blood where at to divert Nid forces to, so the fleet couldn’t just land all its forces on Secundus

He caused a bunch of both chapters to fall to the Rage immediately, but Gabriel Seth used a relic from Amit which had an aura which stabilized marines near it from the Black Rage, and the Flesh Tearers withdrew with major casualties

All the Knights of Blood died though charging Ka’Bandha to allow them to escape

And then he killed a shitton of Nids on the world and eventually ran out of time in realspace

So basically, he sorta assisted but it was just for one moon and it was because his materialization into realspace got fucked up

He was supposed to be able to stay in realspace indefinitely or for much longer

This probably somehow made him rage harder and be even angrier than he already was, if that’s possible

[alpine ingot]

Ka'Banda pulled a "nobody fucking wipes out the Blood Angels but me!" card on the Tyranids

twas quite funny

[crisp heath]

Do Imperium of man tolerates Furries such as Felinids?

[unique berry]

Not this again

[storm jungle]

If you are useful as a mutant/abhuman you will be tolerated.

If not, yeet.

[crisp heath]

Sounds good

[dusk patrol]

Literally just look up the one bit of lore we have on felinids

It’s like one paragraph

[unique berry]

Nah to much to read

[alpine ingot]

if you are a stable abhuman strain, and not the result of xeno's tampering, yes.

[unique berry]

So Hive Fleet Kronos really out there putting Chaos in its place is kinda funny

[alpine ingot]

dark age humans tried a lot of things to adapt to some worlds

[north lotus]

See also, the men of rock and stone.

[north lotus]

https://thumb.spokesman.com/mV4Z2TNGYOO22tupoPlj0C3MduY=/1200x0/media.spokesman.com/photos/2020/06/03/DRG_Promo.jpg

[barren tapir]

To the bone!

[north lotus]

https://youtu.be/ag66XVYSJF8

[upbeat dagger]

what are the eldar like?

not Drukharu, just regular eldar- i rarely hear abt em

[celest dome]

Like regular elf

But even more haughty

[upbeat dagger]

so i wanna get this straight also- are the drukhari the webway eldar?

[celest dome]

Yes

[upbeat dagger]

alright

[celest dome]

Though most/all eldar have access to the Webway

[upbeat dagger]

i thought the webway eldar were something else

[celest dome]

Just that Dark Eldar live in it

[upbeat dagger]

i mean the ones who lived in it

yknow if humans and elder were smart enough to put aside their differences, could the imperium use the webway?

[celest dome]

The Clown Eldar ?

[upbeat dagger]

oh god them

[celest dome]

The Emperor tried to invade/get access to the webway

[mystic geyser]

Fabius has also used the webway

[upbeat dagger]

i mean, is there anything stopping humanity from using it if the eldar let us

[kind moon]

Reading helsreach for the first time and I have to say... grimaldus is

[mystic geyser]

Big if

[heavy bison]

It could be possible that the webway requires specially constructed ships - but I've not read anything that suggests it.

[storm jungle]

It doesn't.

You just walk into an open portal.

[storm jungle]

Humans cannot operate webway gates for starters

secondly harlequins

Thirdly most 99% of humanity trusts the Warp (this isnt a smart thing to do) more than an alien portal

[celest dome]

Eldar letting human use the Webway would be like us letting not so friendly use our Aiports and stuff, but still being quite tense about it

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much this

its a big deal

[surreal apex]

Wasn't the purpose of the Golden Throne to sneak into the webway and hijack it for humanity, or in some way construct their own artificial version/segment of the webway

[storm jungle]

Not its sole purpose but a big part of it yeah

now that plan is entirely foiled

the moment the Emperor sealed the breach it was over

[surreal apex]

yEAP, thanks to He Who Did No Wrong

[dusk patrol]

Magnus finding a way to make the worst possible decision for himself and his legion at every single turn

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[storm jungle]

The Emperor trying to make the worst possible decisions for himself and to doom humanity at every single turn

https://tenor.com/view/breaking-bad-chemistry-experiment-scientific-walter-white-gif-17820266

[barren tapir]

Both these takes are fully right

Although, Malcador too did some shitty decisions

[rose gyro]

with Eldar guide

otherwise it is impossible

[barren tapir]

Like, letting fucking proto imperial cultist prosper, or suggesting to use the name emperor of mankind

[rose gyro]

because it did works

they were fighting Daemons

[surreal apex]

Ork Mad Doc mixing any colourful fluid he can get his dirty mitts on to make a concoction that will kill or save another ork's life

https://media.tenor.com/hRxU7RYOlMkAAAAC/breaking-bad-chemistry.gif

[barren tapir]

BS, that is all i will say on the matter

[dusk patrol]

The results speak for itself during the Siege

And like it or not it’s why the Imperium has lasted largely

[rose gyro]

Faith can hold back Daemons

and faith is power

[dusk patrol]

The point of the siege up until like Warhawk is Dorn realizing that he can’t fight the war without fighting fire with fire

[celest dome]

Sure, but it's not just give them a tour, guiding them in would let them learn how to use it more, and then when they turn against you then you have your secret/safe passage ways that turn against you

[rose gyro]

nah, don't worry about it

Imperium's tech don't know how to handle the webway

even the Emperor with all the resources He can muster, can only learnt a little about how to use the Webway

unless...you have Daemons or forbidden knoweldge

Which is why the Chaos can use the Webway more often

[celest dome]

Still remain a major risk

[dusk patrol]

Even the Eldar have issues traveling in the Webway now

A lot of it is collapsed and the old charts don’t work

Daemons roam it to some degree

[rose gyro]

It happened only on rare cases

Gothic War and Guilliman's return to Terra

both were critical moments in 40K history

[upbeat dagger]

if shit hit the fan, which faction would be most likely to come out on top?

[celest dome]

Tyr or Necron

[upbeat dagger]

interesting

not daemons?

[celest dome]

Or Chaos Gods, but not the any of the CSM

[upbeat dagger]

ig the daemons would get fucked up by the seven hammers

whats csm?

[celest dome]

Chaos Space Marines

[upbeat dagger]

huh, im surprised

arent the csm immortal?

[celest dome]

Like the Chaos Gods are now forces of natures, like winds, fire and stuff

So they can't really be beaten in the long run

Heck they are in multiple realities

And no, CSM aren't immortal

[upbeat dagger]

i rember hearing that the problem is even if csm die they just go back into the warp

[celest dome]

No thats for Daemons

[upbeat dagger]

still think it'd be super cool if there was a CSM boss

[celest dome]

And Daemonprinces

And also Exalthed Daemons, but they are nearly Daemon Princes so it make sense for them

Oh and the Dust Marines because of time shenanigan, but only for the Dusties, not the Sorcerers

[upbeat dagger]

also that reminds me, i've heard that if the golden throne failed and the seven hammers fell, that a good chunk of the resulting explosion would go through the palace warp rift and annihilate every daemon waiting to invade, including the 4 chaos gods

at least their avatars

not to mention most likely the resulting psychic scream from big e's death

[celest dome]

There aren't any avatars of the Chaos Gods

[upbeat dagger]

as in their "physical" form within the warp

[celest dome]

Like there are Daemons and Greater Daemons on the other side but for Chaos it would be nothing

They don't have one

[upbeat dagger]

huh, neat

[celest dome]

like they are the Warp in itself

[upbeat dagger]

what abt nurgle's garden then?

[celest dome]

They don't have a defined location#

the Warp is not ecludian

[upbeat dagger]

ah ok

[celest dome]

And if Terra explode the blow would create a second Eye of Terror

So net bonus for them

[upbeat dagger]

cuz i rember hearing abt the story of nurgle's son/grandson that fell of of nurgle's shoulder into the pot of perfect poison

[upbeat dagger]

isn't the talisman designed to prevent that

[celest dome]

Talisman ? You mean the Throne ?

[upbeat dagger]

the talisman of seven hammers

[celest dome]

Ku Gath

And not Ecludian spaces and stuff

[upbeat dagger]

i find it funny how hilariously wholesome that story is, at least how i've heard it

like how i've heatd it ku gath falls into nurgle's perfect poison and drinks it all and instead of being mad nurgle's just like "aw its ok bud don't worry about it" and now ku gath's trying to remake the poison for father nurgle

[celest dome]

Ok went and read it, basically the Terminus Decree iirc, still would not prevent the new Eye of terror

[upbeat dagger]

afaik the terminus decree and talisman of seven hammers are two seperate things

the terminus decree is the imperium's last resort against chaos, the talisman of seven hammers is just a giant fuck you to daemons

[rose gyro]

Imperium

[celest dome]

We don't really know what the Terminus Decree does

[rose gyro]

they contributed 70% of GW's income

[celest dome]

But we know the only place that has the same symbol it has is on the Throne

So the Terminus Decree might be linked to the Throne in some way

[celest dome]

Empire in Fantasy

[rose gyro]

replaced by Sigmarines

[celest dome]

Was iirc about 80% of the sales of Fantasy, still very much dead

Replaced but still not the same

[upbeat dagger]

my guess is it's one of two things
A: instructions on how to rig the talisman of seven hammers to the webway gate and direct that + the psychic scream of big e's death straight through the webway and into the og eye of terror
B: "the man atop the golden throne is not the emperor"

[rose gyro]

that's due to the End Times

[celest dome]

Yes, but if there is a situation where only 1 faction remain it would be due to an End Time like scenario, nothing else would cause it

[celest dome]

The thing is we don't know

So any theory is fair game

[rose gyro]

then Chaos

[upbeat dagger]

essentially the theory is it'd be a last gambit- no more (safe) warp travel, terra is annihilated, but the eye of terror could close, which'd also possibly shut the galactic rifts

totally off topic i feel like if Big E actually was somehow revived there'd be a fucking violent restructuring of the IoM

like Parvos Granum turned to 15/10

[rose gyro]

well the very charm of 40K is that it always stays at the minute before midnight

an Eternal War

changing that you will ruin the entire 40K

[upbeat dagger]

another theory i like is the terminus decree is why it's always a minute to midnight

it contains a way to annihilate chaos, at the cost of humanity
the chaos gods know this, and therefore don't try to wipe us out

[rose gyro]

I personally believe Necron is the greatest threat to all

endless, soulless, and with unimaginable techs

[upbeat dagger]

necron is spooky

i gotta play more mechanicus

[celest dome]

The Necron are the only one that in a way the only race that don't have a problem with heat death of the universe

[tired umbra]

There are like 100 different apocalypse scenarios

[north lotus]

”And we’re going to stop them all.”

[tired umbra]

https://tenor.com/view/girl-sure-jan-sarcastic-brady-bunch-gif-11590179

[north lotus]

Say, move 2 feet right, you’re about to enter my firing run

The most dangerous thing of the guard isn’t the lasgun, it’s the vox caster.

Your daemon or nid army is nice… until a 155mm howitzer starts raining it down and making it experience a nellis AFB moment

The lasgun is just personal protection

This is the same for modern militaries

[north lotus]

Or a heavy bolter crew making a nid charge look like the Somme

[gaunt sable]

The Navis Nobilite would NEVER allow it and with how xenophobic humans are you'd get a lot of people digging in their heels not trusting it.

[north lotus]

Which is understandable

Don’t get in the way of the grind/grift

How would you react if you were told the job you were literally born to do was made obsolete

[barren tapir]

Thinking about the navigators make me always laugh, they are one of the dumbest things in the lore and their history in the setting is something so dumb that can be accepted only if you know from where they are inspired and why they are handwaved so brutally into the setting

I hope in a retcon of the navigators lore, into making them something way more reasonable

[north lotus]

There’s worse grimderp

[upbeat dagger]

all things considered humanity would be so much better off if they got over the xenophobia

like if we allied with eldar/tau

[dusk patrol]

The cost is too great

[crimson kayak]

I mean yes, but actually no

[torpid narwhal]

why are the tech priests aloud to worship something other then the emperor?

[dusk patrol]

Because he’s still the Emperor basically

To them

It’s like a Holy Trinity deal, they think the Omnissiah is an aspect of the Emperor

[torpid narwhal]

so they are crazy lol

[dusk patrol]

Also back during reunifiction they were given a lot of leeway early on

[dusk patrol]

I mean it works

Some of the stuff they do is nuts but faith power and all that shit works depending

[stiff axle]

But with an inner schism - not all Cult Mechanicum fully believes so

[crimson kayak]

Basically they said they were worshipping the emperor with another name and got away with it

[dusk patrol]

There’s always doubts but those people keep to themselves

And whenever a major schism comes up it gets crushed pretty quick

[torpid narwhal]

are they all condescending like the ones i have seen so far?

[dusk patrol]

Titanicus deals with how Ad Mech leadership thinks of it

[dusk patrol]

Like all things in 40k

It depends

There’s no real standard mostly for general broad groups

[torpid narwhal]

in a funny way. they act like everyone else is dumb and constantly correct them about small things.

[dusk patrol]

It depends on the character and the book

Tbh they do mostly know what they’re talking about

[torpid narwhal]

only ones i have seen so far are suma in the way out and the one from darktide

[dusk patrol]

I mean Hadron is correct mostly

[crimson kayak]

Is everyone a cunt because you met a cunt 5 minutes ago? Nope.

Same can be applied here, they are still kind of people under the Tubes and mechandrites

[dusk patrol]

She’s dealing with idiots compared to herself

She’s a prick

But she’s not wrong

She’s lived for hundreds of years

And some random dumbasses born thirty years ago or whatever want her to explain “why”

That’s probably her PoV

[torpid narwhal]

they make me laugh lol

[crimson kayak]

Proceeds to handle the rejects devices that make the payday2 drill sound like an stc in comparison

[torpid narwhal]

i like them almost as much as cadains

[crimson kayak]

Anyhow, if you want to see various examples of mechanicus personalities, get the tactical mechanicus game, you get to see various point of views from characters in different sections of the mechanicum

[torpid narwhal]

dont have people to play with

[crimson kayak]

It's singleplayer

[torpid narwhal]

the bord game?

[crimson kayak]

Nope, videogame

Warhammer40k Mechanicus

It's kinda like xcom

[torpid narwhal]

i own it but havent played it yet

came in a humble bundel

[crimson kayak]

I really liked it, for being a modern 40k game it's well made

[signal bramble]

A lot of them worship big E as the omnissiah for he laid his hands upon an imperial knight and healed it.

However. His identity as the omnissiah is controversial among the Admech as there are factions within that don’t agree. Big E also left them alone to their religion when he made an alliance with them because it was pragmatic.

Big E was confident he could take mars by force but it wouldn’t be worth the expenditure of resources and time. Better to let them do their thing and get the crusade going! But you can be sure he would have gone after their religion eventually.

[ripe ravine]

yeah its really a mix of the ecclesiarchy equating the machine god to emperor worship as well as mars' manufacturing power relative to the imperium, which was a problem even when the Emperor was still walking around

they make all the tanks and lasguns and stuff

some priests of mars really do believe the emperor is almost like a christ figure but others behave like "god emperor? yeah, sure thing buddy."

[dusk patrol]

Not unlike the rest of the Imperium tbh

[ripe ravine]

troof

[storm jungle]

Quick lore question

do genestealer cult members have eyebrows

https://tenor.com/view/rock-one-eyebrow-raised-rock-staring-the-rock-gif-22113367

[plush mason]

from what i have seen no

[storm jungle]

time to make my GSC Veteran in that case

[plush mason]

lol

[north lotus]

Because I’d like to see you try and force them to worship something else

The logistics office is all powerful

[plush mason]

yeah the admech has as much if not more power than the ecclisiarchy in the imperium so they dont have to follow the imperial creed tho they do keep the peace by making the emperor the embodiment of their god

similar to how the space marines dont have to follow the imperial creed

[unique berry]

Not even Inquisitors are stupid enough to question Mars and the tech boys

[crimson kayak]

Simply put, they found a loophole and used their levelage as "the only guys that actually know how to make shit" to keep doing whatever they wanted

[crisp heath]

There are also tons of places in the imperium that worship other gods

Like Fenris

[plush mason]

yeah

[crisp heath]

I believe Tanith also had multiple gods besides the emperor

[unique berry]

Tanith who?

[plush mason]

so long as the emperor is venerated above all the ecclisiarchy is willing to "live and let live"

[outer wave]

Do you think GSC members can remove their headplate thing whenever they want but keep it on because its their pride and joy?

[barren kayak]

If the answer is 'No' wouldn't that just be an incentive for Ordo Xenos to execute them for suspected cult activity?

[storm jungle]

I dont know fam im not an eyebrowcist 👀

[unique berry]

New policy no eyebrows = GSC 👀

[storm jungle]

Oshit-

[outer wave]

The imperium may as well genetically scan every bald person tbh

[unique berry]

Maybe not the best pic but

[unique berry]

Thats definitly looks like one

[outer wave]

He be going "Mmmm a snack."

[crimson kayak]

Technically depends on what generation are they on

[unique berry]

didn't even saw the bug lol

[outer wave]

I think that subcult he's a part of eat bugs IIRC

Dont remember the name

[shadow plover]

some of them do I believe

[north lotus]

I’ve jokingly said this before. Part of the reason the mechanicus has a disproportionately smaller number is they genetically screen before cybernetic surgeries

[shadow plover]

like in the hammer and bolter animation they did

[storm jungle]

That might have been just the animators doing it otherwise people without eyebrows look weird

[plush mason]

yeah thats what i was thinking. the gens that look more human likely have them but the more nid looking ones dont

[north lotus]

And in one of the Cain books they scan the brothels that the guard take breaks in.

Or it’s in one of the gaunt books

[crisp heath]

I think thats probably Gaunt, I don't remember that in Cain

[shadow plover]

I'd check my GSC codex but I can't find it

[storm jungle]

All good

im sure either way if they go bald that means they basically more or less lose all bodily hair

[crimson kayak]

I mean, from finding stc's to finding std's, that's one hell of a promotion lol

[crisp heath]

Also considering poor people in 40k don't seem to wear much makeup they probably all have male brain and literally would not be able to distinguish eyebrows that are drawn in

[north lotus]

I’m saying that it’s probably a bad idea to not screen a brothel that is fighting genestealers or otherwise

[outer wave]

I dont understand why Genestealers dont use hair to their advantage and use it to blend in as well as help their kind survive on colder hivecities

[storm jungle]

They probably do

its more just

saying cult members wear wigs constantly would probably be too goofy for a codex

[outer wave]

Like HOLY SHIT THEY'RE ALL BALD AND GOT THE FOREHEAD PLATE EVERYONE I SEE

PLEASE GROW SOME FUCKING HAIR

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, most cultists we see are already at the armed upsiring part

[outer wave]

AT LEAST TRY

[storm jungle]

Genestealer infections dont always spread through sex

theres like

a lot of other methods

water supplies

food

medicine

etc

[torpid narwhal]

i thought the emp outlawed all religion

[storm jungle]

they are devious bastards

[shadow plover]

I bet if they had those huge ass victorian era white wigs they'd be balling

[north lotus]

Genestealer’s kiss

[crimson kayak]

So they basically are already at a point where they don't really need to hide anymore

[crisp heath]

Mods are half-dead on a magic chair, post theology

[outer wave]

Me puckering up for that Genestealer's Kiss

[torpid narwhal]

but isnt it heresy to not worship him

[north lotus]

Imagining this MF with a Edna wig

[shadow plover]

balling

but what's a Edna wig

[torpid narwhal]

only ones i have done research on are nurgle and the emp

[storm jungle]

Thats more or less Patient Zero

[plush mason]

didnt a GSC on an agriworld get the mutagen into a shipment of grain before the imperial authorities where able to detect it?

[storm jungle]

Yep

like

[storm jungle]

only a certain part of GSC members do breeding

a large percentage is made through other parts of infection

[north lotus]

Or worse, a bowl cut

[shadow plover]

they should have these

[outer wave]

I dont really understand how GSCs are able to put their genetic code into food without it being dissolved and digested

[crimson kayak]

Well Ferb, I know what Im gonna buy for my genestealer killteam today

[shadow plover]

hell yeah

[north lotus]

https://preview.redd.it/24u72tiirk821.png?auto=webp&s=45a884d8758c43db4cca0fd74b1cfd7d7d5e8152 I mean some of these folks could hide the mark signs well

[plush mason]

its a mutagenic virus iirc so it likely works like other viruses that are ingested

[crimson kayak]

Third one bringing literally a cult symbol on his back.

"yeah I think he could hide easily"

[storm jungle]

Yeah the actual Tyranid genome is very advanced

you can more or less put it into anything

the moment its in yoru body through any form of infection its over

[north lotus]

Of course a change of attire is heavily emplied

[outer wave]

Likely, it would make sense considering there's actual viruses that can survive being digested.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10980963/#:~:text=Five common viruses can remain latent in gastrointestinal,more common and more severe in immunocompromised patients.

[crimson kayak]

Also why does the fourth one look like a Dj lol

[plush mason]

idk. having an extra arm or 2 dont seem so bad

[crimson kayak]

What about being used as fodder for your God?

Oh wait, that's how all 40k gods act, forgot for a second

[plush mason]

lmao yup

[north lotus]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/4c/Genestealer1.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20190221002403

This you?

[plush mason]

no

[crimson kayak]

Choosing a religion in 40k is basically getting inside the suicide machine from Futurama

[plush mason]

yup

[outer wave]

You know, I'd love it if there was a collab with Nurgle and Tzeentch to just fuck up a GSC genetic code just for the funnies

[unique berry]

Choosing Nurgle no pain

[crimson kayak]

genestealers with only one arm start growing

[plush mason]

the hivemind "wtf is this shit?"

[outer wave]

He's sprouts arms in a sun like formation and his torso is just pus ridden and looks like a tumor

[unique berry]

Hive Fleet Kronos really out there putting Chaos in its place is kinda funny

[north lotus]

Armless genestealers

[north lotus]

I prefer the inverse

[crisp heath]

Hive Fleet Leviathan be like: I am a gentle mother bird. I must regurgitate flesh into the mouth of my cute little hatchling

[north lotus]

Like thalidomide tier bad

[crisp heath]

Someone stole my fucking genes. Can't have shit in Hive Primus

[outer wave]

Honestly I do hope newer Tyranids editions have more weirder bioforms

I need to see that adaptation bit in action in lore

[arctic talon]

I mean we always get the optimal ones

[outer wave]

Fuck the optimal ones, I want something cool and dumb

[arctic talon]

And most of the nids we see are “optimal” for their purpose

Okay but that isn’t really the point of nids

They don’t make inefficient things

[north lotus]

You want the Sargent York of tyranids?

[crisp heath]

I mean the tyrant guard only got made when nids came into the Milky Way

[arctic talon]

^this

[outer wave]

Yeah but for an adapting race, they really dont adapt? Oh look, more Hormagaunts and Termagaunts, wowwee

[arctic talon]

Also the Neurothrope

[dusk patrol]

They were specifically to counter marine tactics

Where they’d just focus node creatures

[arctic talon]

The neurothrope was developed after the

incident

[crisp heath]

Also the dominatrix exists and is the dumbest possible bioform

[arctic talon]

Have you see the snail bio titan

It’s very funny

[outer wave]

No I havent

But that sounds so cool and so dumb

[gaunt sable]

Also export Enginseers to literally EVERYBODY to keep things ticking.

[north lotus]

Is it chaos related?

[outer wave]

Probably

[north lotus]

HA

[crisp heath]

https://media.moddb.com/images/groups/1/9/8153/Dominatrix.jpg

[arctic talon]

It was the doom of malantai

[unique berry]

Tf

[north lotus]

bugslug

[outer wave]

Thats pretty cool

[arctic talon]

Also this thing lul

[outer wave]

Like those are at least unique forms you dont get to see all the time

I want more shit like that

[crisp heath]

The norn crown is a distinct bioform and it's main purpose is to put a hormagaunt in charge of everything

[unique berry]

Tf is that a catapult?

[outer wave]

Isnt that a bad idea?

[arctic talon]

It’s a living one

It just chucks spore mines

[unique berry]

Well if it works why not

[arctic talon]

It makes it smarter

[outer wave]

Ah okay okay gotcha

But still, isnt that a bad idea?

[crisp heath]

Usually

[outer wave]

Not like Hormagaunts are the strongest things

[crisp heath]

I think people mostly put them on tervigons tbh

[arctic talon]

It was made for a very specific situation tbf

But it exists

[outer wave]

A situation that involved the opposition deliberately avoiding trying to kill hormagaunts? I could see it if the hivemind was noticing their enemy was targetting bigger threats moreso than the smaller stuff

[arctic talon]

It was in response to enemies just eliminating synapse life forms

[north lotus]

I personally don’t like nids for the whole “bugs in space” thing being overused personally

[crisp heath]

Basically it's supposed to turn a non-synapse creature into a synapse to get around people shooting the big thing all the time

[arctic talon]

^

This

[outer wave]

Id imagine people would catch on quickly if they're paying some attention to the hormagaunt's movements

[arctic talon]

I mean

Problem is communicating that to everyone else

[outer wave]

"Oh look, one of the Hormies is staying away from the rest of the Hormagaunts."

[arctic talon]

Bcs when you kill a synapse non synapse nids freak out

[arctic talon]

The thing is putting them in the back of the horde

So it’s just a hormagaunt in the back of a formation

[outer wave]

So pretty damn difficult to notice

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And it’s not like hormagaunts don’t retreat

The deathwatch caught on after a while tho

So now it’s just another thing to worry about against nids

[crisp heath]

Would be great to have a named hormagant with a norn crown that is a tactical powerhouse to rival the Swarm Lord

[outer wave]

That'd be cool

Makari vs this Hormagaunt

[crisp heath]

Put the norn crown on a ripper, shoaling tactics

It's really a useful bioform when you think about it, but the fact that it just hands a direct connection to the hivemind to any creature it happens to latch onto makes it feel really stupid

[north lotus]

I just want the return of lost and damned instead of just chaos space marines and daemons

[ripe ravine]

traitor guard really needs its own faction rules it seems super simple

[north lotus]

Exactly

[ripe ravine]

they already have most of the units, just need some chaos heavy weapons teams and field ordnance. tanks with chaos conversion options

make some chaos tanks if they want to go buck wild with it

[north lotus]

GW could have also made it easier on themselves by making some of the GSC vehicles convertable

[ripe ravine]

its the most common enemy the Imperium faces in lore and has barely any representation on the tabletop

[arctic talon]

I mean they’ve always allowed conversions in tournaments

As long as they’re on the right base size

[north lotus]

And besides I could ask the same about where the hell is non-space marines in 30k?

[ripe ravine]

yeah I get that you could always proxy lost and damned as regular guard

but you can proxy csm as space marines doesn't mean I want to do it

[arctic talon]

30k is a marine game

Non marine stuff is on forgeworld

And costs an arm and a leg for solar auxilia

Imperial Militas/Chaos cults

[ripe ravine]

so the guy they hired to do solar auxilia doesn't work there anymore

[arctic talon]

Use 40k minis

[ripe ravine]

or was a contractor or something

[arctic talon]

Yeah but they’re still sold

They have a complete mini rang

[ripe ravine]

yeah just not sure if they'll ever come to plastic

[arctic talon]

They prolly won’t

Like most of the 30k range

We aren’t getting legion specific stuff in plastic either

It’s just the way it is

[ripe ravine]

given the cost for entry auxilia was never insanely popular anyway

great looking sculpts though

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Auxilia was

expensive

People complain about horde armies in 40k costing a lot

Horde armies in 30k are uh

[north lotus]

I’m more wanting something genuinely different aesthetically and tactically from marines when it comes to 30k, and in the case of traitor guard, I’m wanting something that makes people have more than one reason to buy guardsmen

[ripe ravine]

I considered them for all of 10 seconds for a possible guard conversion project

until I saw the price points

[arctic talon]

I mean

There are factions different tactically then marines

In 30k

Literally everything that isn’t marines

[north lotus]

I mean genestealer cults are one route to buy guardsmen, but not much more

[arctic talon]

Solar auxilia play like tempestus scions but with even more range

And imperial militias

Are just guard in 30k

[unique berry]

But badass

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[unique berry]

My favorite fan art of them

[arctic talon]

That’s solar auxilia

Not imperial army

[north lotus]

Like with darktide, say what you will, the moebian sixth are a genuinely interesting force

[unique berry]

I know

[north lotus]

Granted I have only a 1st edition killteam book

[ripe ravine]

if the new imperial guard range sells well for tabletop, maybe they will seriously consider a new lost and the damned codex

[arctic talon]

We did get a traitor guard killteam

[ripe ravine]

yeah plus the old blackstone fortress models

[north lotus]

It’s $100 though

[ripe ravine]

and the cultist HQ for CSM could easily serve for traitor guard

[arctic talon]

I mean that’s cheaper then a combat patrol

[north lotus]

Sorry, just screeching into the void about price

[ripe ravine]

I mean if the new models generally sell well. which factions get attention is always a financial decision and guard haven't had a new range in like 20 years

[arctic talon]

Guard have always been popular tbh

[ripe ravine]

if guard suddenly gets more popular they might say hey what if we sold the chaos version

[arctic talon]

So this is just them cash in on that

Also lost and the damned weren’t really traitor guard

Tbh

[ripe ravine]

it was traitor guard + cultists wasn't it?

[arctic talon]

I’d rather get a chaos mortals book then traitor guard

No it wasn’t

[unique berry]

Is the Blood Pac still the only disciplined Traitor Guard Regiment fighting for Khornes?

[arctic talon]

Lost and the damned was a bunch of random chaos cultists with lots of guns

[north lotus]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Militarum-Tempestus-Scions-2017 I bought these when it was 33-35$

[arctic talon]

And high ranking chaos leaders

[north lotus]

Hence my seething

[arctic talon]

It was a weird ass army

Considering your troops hit on 5’s

Because they’re super untrained

[north lotus]

There’s also the sons of sek

[arctic talon]

And also you had terrible leadership

The only upside was you could field a lot of bodies

And take marines/daemons as elite options

[celest dome]

Aren't they also Blood pact anyway?

[arctic talon]

Lost and the damned honestly had terrible rules from a gameplay stance

So I’d rather them make it not terrible

[north lotus]

Sons of sek were made by a rival of the blood pact.

[north lotus]

More elite options, “improvised” units

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Give them an option for traitor guard

Chaos eldar as well

Make them chaos but not marines

[north lotus]

Like here’s one I just thought up:

[arctic talon]

Instead of chaos marines but with cannon fodder

[north lotus]

More mortar crews

[arctic talon]

Lol

Ah yes hitting on 6’s

[north lotus]

Because it’s actually pretty easy to make mortars, if not exactly powerful ones

[arctic talon]

I think the most absurd lost and the damned list I’ve seen

Was like 18 heavy stubber weapon teams

To accompany their 3 squads of cultists

[north lotus]

More grenade launcher too

[arctic talon]

Honestly I hope they don’t just make traitor guard

And make like

Chaos Mortals

[plush mason]

so how powerful is a medusa siege cannon?

[arctic talon]

Bcs that’ll cover dark mechanicus stuff

[north lotus]

Less advanced armor compared to guard, but more explosives

[celest dome]

I'm hoping that Lost and Damned list let you get the mortal follower of the Chaos Space Marines

[arctic talon]

I mean

[celest dome]

Like the Jackals

[arctic talon]

Lost and the damned let you take csm as hq and elite options

Except why the fuck would you

Since you needed those elite slots for traitor enforcers

People wanting original lost and the damned back are weird to me

Because that army is gona be expensive as fuck

It’s a horde army of a horde army

[north lotus]

Like in this case they use GSC vehicles and have a rule I like to call “hang on tight” that lets most vehicles be used as transports

[arctic talon]

Honestly if they bring back RnH

All I’m praying is for them to not hit on 5’s

And be dirt cheap per unit

Because it was just an entire army of conscripts

Unless you wanted to pay out the ass

Like you had to pay almost 2x the points for a squad of traitor militia being as good as guardsmen

[celest dome]

Imho I would prefer for it to be done like the GSC Guardsmen

[arctic talon]

Yeah I would also

Prefer it that way

[celest dome]

So they can depend heavily on the IG but get their own special stuff

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

And get access to the Chaos Mortals of other groups

Like Corpse Grinder Gangs

[arctic talon]

Honestly the lost and the damned always felt like a fluff army

Since their rules were always of uh

Questionable viability

I’ll just say this now leadership 3 guardsmen with BS/WS 5+ where uh not it

Wait they had even worse armor then flak

💀

[barren tapir]

Worse armour than flak is just no armour

It is already piss poor armour flak

[arctic talon]

Yep

6+ saves lul

“Improvised armor”

[barren tapir]

Like, even a medieval plate armour would probably give more protection than flak

And i'm nearly sure it give actual more protection

[celest dome]

iirc Plate is the same armour category as Flak, as Feudal worlds' regiments use it

[arctic talon]

Plate armor didn’t work against black powder weapons

So I doubt it would be an improvement to flak

[north lotus]

If we want to have a fun moment, a great one would be a lost and damned special unit that’s based off the atlas recovery tank or Trojan

[north lotus]

Here’s what it is

A cannon mounted on a armored tow truck

[north lotus]

Basically this with a giant cannon replacing the winch

Basically the idea of a chimera chassis shadow sword without the laser tech

Pardon the stupid idea

[north lotus]

Or the fact it’s practically bullshit.

[plush mason]

tbf stupid idea/practically bullshit sums up a lot of the vics and weapons in 40k

[north lotus]

The idea I had was “insurgent captured APC turned into self propelled anti tank artillery”

[plush mason]

i mean even a truck irl can be made into a SPG so

[north lotus]

Yes, but the idea is basically they strapped a earth shaker to a chimera

Or something

And use it for direct fire support

[plush mason]

i mean. arent basilisks based on the chimera chasse already?

[serene mist]

Can I point out that the Chimera chassis is already the one they use for Basilisks

Like yeah

[north lotus]

Yes

[serene mist]

So where's the question...?

[plush mason]

yeah mounting a basilisk cannon to a chimera should be possible

[north lotus]

I was more being dumb and trying to think of nonstandard armor solutions to a insurgency

Like missile trucks as artillery substitutes

[plush mason]

so side tracking a bit, can a Leman Russ engine really run on any flammable liquid or will non standard fuels damage it over time?

[north lotus]

What kinda flammable liquid we talking?

[dusk patrol]

I believe the lore is just that it’s super versatile

[signal bramble]

Flamers.

[dusk patrol]

And can take a lot of fuel sources

[plush mason]

k

[dusk patrol]

But promethium is the main fuel typically

[signal bramble]

In steel tread, they mention also that a russ can run on just about any fuel source also.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a workhorse vehicle basically

It’s the lasgun of armor for 40k

[signal bramble]

Including one called “fyseline” is a popular fuel also.

I’m not sure if that’s the proper spelling but it’s 40k’s version of petrol fuel iirc.

[north lotus]

Also if we want a crazy “Anti Air” option, it’s a giant “shotgun” type weapon using industrial shotgun shells

Or just a pack of heavy stubbers

[plush mason]

yeah i was asking if its a "yeah it can run on anything no problem" or a "it can run on anything but somethings will damage it so use those sparingly at most"

[north lotus]

Let’s just say the contraband distillery has multiple uses

[plush mason]

lol

[north lotus]

Granted that’s personal headcanon

If we wanted a real world example of a multi fuel engine, diesel engines are actually impressively versatile

[crimson kayak]

I think it's like the lasgun battery, you can cook it near a fire to recharge it, but it's not really advised

[plush mason]

thats what i was thinking

[plush mason]

as are some gas turbines

[north lotus]

I was going to mention that, but I decided against it

[plush mason]

yeah and with both engines its a case of "it can run on it, but its not really recommended"

[north lotus]

If you start eyeing the commissar’s amasec as fuel, you have a future issue

Even if it’s the shitty white girl stuff

[plush mason]

lol

[outer wave]

Do you guys think being a cook for the Ogre Kingdoms would be a pretty good job?

[arctic talon]

As long as you aren’t on the menu yes

So make sure you’re a good cook lul

[outer wave]

I'd imagine it'd be either the best or the worst gig

On one hand, the ogres would love you if you're a fantastic cook, but on the other, one fuck up and you're done

[arctic talon]

Eh one fuck up they prolly wouldn’t care

Multiple and human is back on the menu

[outer wave]

That sounds surprisingly chill of them

I was expecting most tyrants would act like Greasus and just boss em around demanding for impossibly high amounts of prepared dishes

[arctic talon]

Unironically ogres are very chill

In fantasy

[celest dome]

There is a case where it happen

With a Halfling

[outer wave]

Thought halflings were just their typical cooks but what happened with him?

[dusk patrol]

Ate em probably

[celest dome]

Stole the spice and stuff

Dunno if they ate him after though

[outer wave]

Why was he stealing spices?

[celest dome]

Cause the Halfling showed that he was useful by using the spices to cook

And then the Ogre took all the spices and put them into a plate

[outer wave]

Zamn

[celest dome]

The height of Ogre cooking is basically just putting everything you find in a pot and heating it all

Or eat people raw and living

[outer wave]

I like the idea of ogres learning new ways to cook and being like "Whoa thats pretty cool, we should try that more"

[arctic talon]

Ogres in AoS found out how to eat ghosts as ice cream lol

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Their cooks are their priests

[plush mason]

so can Ogryn get drunk? i assume yes but idk for sure

[storm jungle]

if you cook a good meal you will basically be their bro-tier friend

[outer wave]

I love that aspect

[plush mason]

i love that in TWWH3 one of the ogre kingdoms pop up events is their cooks invent ketchup and you decide what to do with it lol

[storm jungle]

Yeah its great

honestly ogres are one of the best WHF races

the fact that they will work for ANY army as long as you pay them in food already makes them gigachads

[plush mason]

ikr

[outer wave]

Thats hilarious and awesome

I want the ogres to create aristocratic cuisine on accident

[storm jungle]

ı highly suggest reading the wikipage of the ogres on the Warhammer Fantasy wiki

they are genuinely a great faction

[outer wave]

Wish there was an ogre faction in 40k but we do have Ogryns at least

[celest dome]

You do have the Tyr

And some people think the Great Maw is part of it (I don't)

[storm jungle]

40K ogres would genuinely be great but yeah alas

Ogryns dont really compare sadly

aside from really the name and stature lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah cause they’re better

[outer wave]

Yeah sadly Ogryns, for as cool as they are, arent Ogre Kingdoms

[celest dome]

You also have the Kroot

Which are also very much eat all the things

[storm jungle]

They arent fat funny mongolians

https://tenor.com/view/ogre-kingdom-ogre-warhammer3-gif-24167264

[open marsh]

That yellow w/ hazards is just....yes.

[unique berry]

Damn Khan got out of shape

[open marsh]

If I had much more money. Id make a homebrew guard regiment that uses GSC vehicles.

I love the idea of a regiment from an industrial world that lacks access to most combat vehicle STCs who instead uses patterns of industrial equipment

[rose thorn]

Do you think ogres are like dwarves where the male and female ogres look teh exact same?

[storm jungle]

Nah female ogres got feminine features

also Warhammer Fantasy dwarf ladies look different too

[rose thorn]

OH WOW

They are just small opera singers

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/5/54/Dwarf_Womenfolk.png/revision/latest?cb=20180808192532

I mean fish nets

Why do female ogres have stockings-

[celest dome]

That's just how the painter decided to paint it

[outer wave]

I wanna see my fat funny mongolians learn how to make things like lasagna or spaghetti and then enjoy themselves

[vital swallow]

Little bit of subreddit promotion, but if anyone likes to deep dive 40k lore, stop by our sub sometime

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/

[floral siren]

So, I guess some voicelines say Grendyl is Ordo Hereticus, why are they not Ordo Sepulturum?

[unique berry]

U cant trust reddit

[floral siren]

which speciifcally is an anti-nurgle infestation Ordo

[rose thorn]

Oh no, it’s apart of the model

[rose thorn]

https://us.v-cdn.net/5022456/uploads/editor/w2/g3saejn5pprg.png

[unique berry]

Damn that beard

[rose thorn]

Yeah I can’t find anything else about this mode lmao

It might be third part and i wouldn’t know

[unique berry]

I think cause of the traitors of the Mobian 6th they even got a Captain of them as Prisoner so it makes sense to degree

[rose thorn]

I do like the blood bowl’s female ogre, I just fucking hate how they dressed them, but blood bowl’s ogres are pretty unclothed so I guess it works

[barren tapir]

Why should he be from that ordo?

[barren tapir]

Hereticus is all about traitors and heretics

Sepolturum is about plague zombies, which aren't really in DT

[rose thorn]

So AOS female ogres would be cool, just please god let them wear clothes

[barren tapir]

Poxwalkers are not plague zombies if anyone is wondering

[mystic geyser]

they basically are

[unique berry]

Yeah Ordo Hereticus is the only logic choice since it would take way more Demons for Ordo Maleus to show up

[mystic geyser]

poxwalker is the new model, for what used to be plague zombies

i doubt we'll see plague zombies again.. (he says, but munda are retro so maybe)

[rose thorn]

Oh really? Huh that seems weird

[open marsh]

Minor lore issue in DT. That is the emblem of the Palatine Enforcers. Who are specific to Necromunda.....

[rose thorn]

It’s not like the inquisition renaming it?

[rose thorn]

Counter argument, the logo is slightly different in game

[barren tapir]

They aren't, they are quite different

[rose thorn]

It’s the uh balatine enforcers!

[unique berry]

Different emblem tho minor changes

[barren tapir]

The slight change to have two towers... Lol

[rose thorn]

Also the palatine have way fucking cooler armor

[barren tapir]

Indeed

Wonder who produce it honestly

If it is local or from outside

[open marsh]

Good point but its like...right there on the line of EEEEEHHHHHHH

[rose thorn]

Wiat yeah, if it was from the admech or something these guys would probably ahve it too if they are similar to the PG

[barren tapir]

In the grim darkness of the far future at least it seems that the mighty STC for cargo pants is still produced

[rose thorn]

Did I say palatine guard?

I mean palatine enforcers lmao

[unique berry]

Those pants will endure

[rose thorn]

I wonder how copy right works in 40k

[barren tapir]

Seems that munda enforcers use flak armour... It looks more carapace to me lol

It suit better the description of carapace more than flak too

[arctic talon]

The forgeworld horrifically kills anyone who tries stealing their exclusive stuff

[rose thorn]

Just like real life

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crimson kayak]

Maybe considering the palatine are the only enforcers given models it could be that all enforcer groups share a variation of the tower skull thingie

[floral siren]

good point

[rose thorn]

You know: the emperor probably didn’t help angeron with anytning ever because the planet he was on was porbably a khorne cult

And was like ‘chaos ew’

[torpid narwhal]

was anyone ever afraid to be sacrificed to the throne or try to run?

[winter ridge]

i dont think tau or eldar would be down in the first place

[winter ridge]

hairless in general

[arctic talon]

Tau would be fine with it but they’d constantly try to get planets to join them

Eldar is uh

A cointoss lol

[winter ridge]

tau declared war on the imperium-- they dont want peace since the 3rd sphere started

i think they in it for the long haul

[arctic talon]

If it’s between the galaxy ending and the tau and imperium working together they’d be willing to

It already happens frequently at a small scale

Even tho it usually devolves back into them fighting each other

[winter ridge]

since 3rd spher?

[arctic talon]

After the third party is eliminated

Yeah

It still happens

[winter ridge]

where?

[arctic talon]

After the great rift opened

They’ve worked together in some sectors to eliminate demons

[winter ridge]

right- i havent read anything since there

[arctic talon]

Before killing each other again

Same with tyranids

[winter ridge]

chalnath is a big 'personal' war betwen both

[arctic talon]

Chalnath is a clusterfuck

But yeah

[winter ridge]

i think since mugulath the tau dont want anything but to take down the imperium

[arctic talon]

That’s their long term goal yeah but they can’t do that

If they both get wiped out

Which is why if a big threat pops up they’ll work together till it’s gone

And then go back to killing each other

[winter ridge]

maybe i missed the earleri convo -- is it just hypotherical ?

[arctic talon]

Wut

Oh yeah this is a hypothetical

Sorry my b lol

Regarding the eldar the imperium already has long term alliances with 1 craftworld

And close connections to another

But craftworlds pretty much never agree with each other

[winter ridge]

i think the eldar and imperium have already basically allied

[arctic talon]

Eh it depends

Beil’tan

Does not like non eldar

[winter ridge]

chaos is the obvious and primary enemy-- theyll always ally to fight them

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[winter ridge]

more chaos means more allying right?

[arctic talon]

Yesnt

For a lot of craftworlds yes

For Luggnuth and Biel’tan

It’s an easy way of removing humans lol

[winter ridge]

agree

[arctic talon]

But for ones like Ulthwe, Iyanden and Saimm Han

[winter ridge]

lugganath is more in line with tau and kicking deldar in the teeth

[arctic talon]

They’re working with imperials more

[winter ridge]

bieltan kinda feels irrelevant these days

i mean eldar in general i guess

[arctic talon]

Yeah because the craftworld shattered 💀

[winter ridge]

last i see they helped tau finish off gorgon

but i see eldar/imps more of a fit

honestly i see tau allying more with chaos mortals

pirates renegads

[torpid narwhal]

are the dawn of fire books the most recent events in the timeline?

[odd palm]

[nocturne crest]

I wonder how much stuff from the Heresy era is still in use.

[arctic talon]

Bolters haven't changed much

[nocturne crest]

Oh yeah.

[uncut plover]

Who is looking forward to the final books for the Horus Heresy?

[mystic geyser]

Very much so

[bright fulcrum]

I wonder if chaos space marines will join in the fray of darktide and basically be the games version of vermintide 2's chaos warriors?

[mystic geyser]

Doubt it. I can see a plague marine working as a big boss maybe.

[celest dome]

They already said that it won't happen (design choice)

[upbeat dagger]

hey um, what the actual fuck does a nurgle scented candle smell like

legit question

[mystic geyser]

Yet to find a review of nurgle, but the others are just regular scentic candles with daft names.

Boggles the mind what they were thinking with this.

[upbeat dagger]

i unironically want one just cuz its funny

watch the nurgle one actually smell like death

supposedly it does

[crimson kayak]

Probably smells like a mass grave

[crimson kayak]

The power scaling in much more off the charts in 40k than it is in fantasy

[hardy root]

I think only power swords and psykers would be able to really I jure a chaos marine

[crimson kayak]

Ogryns too technically

And plasma guns

And melta's when they add them

The problem is not as much their durability as it is their "particular set of skills"

[hardy root]

Especially deathguard lol

Can't even get close without dying from smell alone

[crimson kayak]

Debatable considering in game we don't get affected by nurgles influence already

[hardy root]

True

We are just too pure

Ogryn just doesn't understand it so he don't get affected

[crimson kayak]

I do have my theories that we have some kind of psychic protection for this stuff from grendel

[hardy root]

I do want to know more about him in general

His hologram kept changing faces

Is he a lord inquisitor

[crimson kayak]

Yes

[hardy root]

That explains his influence and spies everywhere

Would love more rannick content aswell

[crimson kayak]

Technically, as of now the chain of command is something like: us, morrow, melk, zola, rannick, the rogue trader of the mourning star and then grendel

[hardy root]

Voice actor made him very interesting

The roguetrader?

[mystic geyser]

Brahms

[crimson kayak]

The ship we are not is not ours technically

[hardy root]

What about hadron

[hollow bison]

still haven't met the lady from the trailer with the big hair thing going on

[crimson kayak]

That's brahms

The rogue trader

[hollow bison]

she's a rogue trader?