40k-lore-chat

[simple sparrow]

Gotta listen for it next time

[crimson kayak]

Yep, that's what I was trying to say

[rose gyro]

both are correct

[simple sparrow]

Does the emperor actually hear the prayers and stuff of the people who worship him? Or is that all just propaganda

[floral siren]

I can't wait til Ynnead wakes up

[rose gyro]

those prayers have an impact within the Warp

[mystic geyser]

Bit of both.

[crimson kayak]

I mean, ynnari will have to either invade the palace or slaneesh or pull a bullshit move to get the last crone sword

[floral siren]

Ever seen Bruce Almighty? Multiply my thousands of settled worlds

[simple sparrow]

Yeah but I doubt the emp would actually intercede to help someone who prayed to him

[rose gyro]

and given by the fact that the Emperor send His Living Saints here and there

He IS protecting the Imperium in person

[simple sparrow]

I did hear though that he’s able to communicate to some select Psykers through something but I forgot what it was

[rose gyro]

like, the girl who saved Guilliman in the Plague War

[rose gyro]

Emperor's Tarot

[simple sparrow]

If he’s able to do that then how is he not able to tell leaders of the imperium what to do?

[rose gyro]

hmmm

[crimson kayak]

It's weird

[rose gyro]

think that He and the Gods are players

and 40K is a RPG game between them

[floral siren]

It's believed that the crazy Psyker's voice in his head is the emperor, chatting him up

[simple sparrow]

Yeah but isn’t it more likely that it’s just a demon?

[rose gyro]

it's no fun if you hinted the characters too many times, that just cheating

[simple sparrow]

What do you mean lol

[floral siren]

Not to mention, the rigid Ecclesiarchy would just strike down anyone going against what they had decreed as his will

[simple sparrow]

The ecclesiarchy is insane

[rose gyro]

let's say the Emperor only speaks or acts at those MOST IMPORTANT TIMES

[floral siren]

That's why Guilliman's return was massive. He's the first sane person to have the power to muscle back the church

[rose gyro]

nope, they are real and very important

[crimson kayak]

Isn't the golden life support limiting his full ascension as a warp entity or some shit like that?

[simple sparrow]

I mean insane in that they’re so intensely... intense lol

[rose gyro]

humans in 40K are stupid

if you don't fill their mind with the Faith of the Emperor, the Chaos would take over

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, they are extremists for the emperor like how 90% of chaos cults are extremists toward their own god

[floral siren]

The Imperium only survived this long because of it's super rigid faith and ignorance

[rose gyro]

I would say it is an anchor

to keep the Emperor's connection with the realspace

[simple sparrow]

The imperium is arguably as oppressive and horrific as any chaos god would be imo

[rose gyro]

maybe it is the Emperor's will, or maybe it is not

[rose gyro]

hmmm, do take a look at the Daemon Worlds

no, Imperium is definely better

[floral siren]

If a Death Guard warband had sent a splinter unit out to perform some obscure ceremony. What kind of a host would they have. What kind of leadership?

[rose gyro]

depends.

[floral siren]

Only in the worst parts. Hive life sucks

[simple sparrow]

But what’s the alternative to hive life

[floral siren]

But lots of aggri worlds, shrine worlds, and more where people have much higher standards of living

[simple sparrow]

Isn’t that more for lucky people though? Or is it purely just a matter of circumstance like where you’re born

[floral siren]

I'm rereading Eisenhorn Hereticus ATM, and part of it takes place on Gudrun, a rather wealthy world with ski resorts, hunting woods, big manor houses, and trade guilds

[rose gyro]

think of the upper hive, or even the middle hive

[floral siren]

Where you're born, what family you're born in

[rose gyro]

life could be pretty normal as it can be in 40K

with families and friends

or like in Cyberpunk

but Chaos is just unimaginable horror

[floral siren]

If you haven't read them @simple sparrow the Eisenhorn books by Dan Abnett are both great on their own but also show many facets of the Imperium outside the battlefields

[simple sparrow]

Hmmmm sure thanks

[floral siren]

That have great quality audio books too

[simple sparrow]

I can’t imagine the 40k universe having a ski resort

Lmao

[simple sparrow]

Idk I guess I think it’s all dim and grim for everyone

[floral siren]

That's the picture some try to paint a little too much

And it is there

But it's not all that's there

[rose gyro]

it is quite possible that most people in 40K lived in a really bad state

[simple sparrow]

[floral siren]

Living on Terra sucks

[rose gyro]

however one does not live in the Imperium

you live on the world you were borne

[honest trellis]

which the Imperium imposes itself on yes

[rose gyro]

and that's when you rolled a dice XD

[floral siren]

I love someone with a UNSC Spartan profile pic complaining about the Imperium imposing itself on worlds

Tell me about the Innies @honest trellis

Lol

[plain bolt]

What are the psykers role in the imperium? Like the ones we play

[rose gyro]

[honest trellis]

...The UNSC is shit too, though? Like that's core to the lore lol

[rose gyro]

Witches

need to be burn

[floral siren]

The ones we play are Sanctioned combat psykers

[honest trellis]

I mean hell, the UNSC was so mismanaged it literally collapses due to its intelligence agency managing to basically be Cortana's MVP

[rose gyro]

while playing safe, you should burn all witches

[floral siren]

Rigorously trained and tested to be shown not to lose control of their powers in the heat of battle

[honest trellis]

So....nice try?

[floral siren]

My point was the UNSC sucks too

That was all

[honest trellis]

to which I say "no shit"

[celest dome]

Work for the police, gangs or be pressed into any place where they can be useful but expendable

[floral siren]

Don't feel so attacked

[honest trellis]

sure

[floral siren]

Black Ships first

[plain bolt]

I was just wondering cause the creation backstory mentions being hunted and captured if found out. I guess if caught they're killed or conscripted?

[floral siren]

Always black ships first

[rose gyro]

the most respected Psykers in the Imperium are the Navigators

[floral siren]

Yes

[celest dome]

Are Navigator considered Psyker ?

Astropath sure

[rose gyro]

yep

they have the Third Eyes

[floral siren]

Any Psyker identified is either killed by Witch Hunters or imprisoned to the Black Ships where their fate is decided to best serve the Imperium

[mystic geyser]

So generally psykers are rounded up and given to the black ships

[simple sparrow]

My psyker is the loner background who was pressed into a gang

[floral siren]

Depends who finds you

[simple sparrow]

Iirc

[rose gyro]

and Navigators are really powerful psykers

[mystic geyser]

But the Imperium is big so plenty slip though the cracks and find employment in criminal agencies

[rose gyro]

the lucky ones

[simple sparrow]

Seeing the navigators in the opening scene makes me not feel envious of them at all

[mystic geyser]

@rose gyro uh not always lucky lol

[celest dome]

And the unluckiest ones

[floral siren]

Roughly, the Ecclesiarchy will kill Psyker's on sight, other Imperial groups like the Arbites and Inquisition will turn you over to the black shipa

[celest dome]

Those that are too weak to be useful get used as batteries

[rose gyro]

become the gates where Daemons numnumnum the world

or get lynched

or burnt

[mystic geyser]

It seems to be pretty common for Inquisitors to recruit psykers though, being above imperial law and all

[plain bolt]

Poor guys

[rose gyro]

or shot

[celest dome]

Now is it better or worse than being slowly drained into batteries

[simple sparrow]

My question is is why the loner psyker would agree to join the inquisition whatsoever

If they tried so hard to stay away

[rose gyro]

dying for the Emperor

[celest dome]

Either that or death

[floral siren]

Every Psyker is a potential doorway for a Daemon to try and break through, at least temporarily. They're organic nuclear bombs waiting to be triggered

[simple sparrow]

I guess they don’t wanna die alone on the prisoner ship lol

[celest dome]

Seeing both of our names I think we can agree to say that the Emp can go f himself

[plain bolt]

Mine is the Seer background and he grew up as a hive urchin and then escaped to the wastes until he had his awakening

[mystic geyser]

And I think all our characters do want to fight for the Imperium.. even if they sometimes moan about it

[rose gyro]

99% of psykers are just lunatics

[floral siren]

They want to fight against chaos

[mystic geyser]

Haha yes good distinction

[simple sparrow]

What I don’t get with the psyker background is the difference between the black ships defining moment and the captured defining moment

[plain bolt]

Well I suppose fighting for the imperium is the best option out of a bad bunch

[mystic geyser]

As a prisoner you would have ended up with the black ships eventually

[floral siren]

Some go to the black ships willingly

[rose gyro]

https://i.redd.it/3b23n58snwf91.jpg

[mystic geyser]

Unless you'd already been sorted, sanctioned, assigned a role then been arrested for something else

[floral siren]

Navigator mommy

[rose gyro]

nope, she's a young one

[simple sparrow]

But the captured one is so vague, like captured by who? It doesn’t specify the imperium

[floral siren]

I'd have to reread them hinestly

[simple sparrow]

[celest dome]

Isn't it the Enforcers ?

[simple sparrow]

Also what disturbs me is the psyker trainer lady, I never realized she was trapped and chained in a tube

[rose gyro]

for safe keeping

[simple sparrow]

I thought it said you could be captured by a cult or something

So idk how that translates into getting sent to imperial service

[floral siren]

That happens alot too

Cults need Psykers even more than the Imperium

[rose gyro]

the Sisters of Battle can work on Black Ships

[floral siren]

Really?

[simple sparrow]

Seems inhumane

[rose gyro]

along with the Sisters of Silence

[rose gyro]

she's not a person

she's a tool

[simple sparrow]

But she is a person

[mystic geyser]

There are worse fates...

[rose gyro]

she an "asset"

[floral siren]

Sisters of Battle are Ecclesiarchy, I'm surprised the Inquisition would let them aboard

[signal bramble]

Wrong setting.

[rose gyro]

well...

[mystic geyser]

SoB do work for Inquisitors, though I've never heard of them manning black ships. Are you sure you don't mean sisters of silence ?

[rose gyro]

Ordo Hereticus often asked SoB for help

[simple sparrow]

😂

[signal bramble]

The sisters of silence are the security crew of the black ships. That is their canon role.

[floral siren]

Working for Inquisitors is one thing, but being aboard the Black Ships is a risk

[rose gyro]

you can see SoB in a lot of places

[floral siren]

You don't put vehemently anti Psyker warriors next to all your precious psykers

[signal bramble]

Also restraining psykers is mandatory, a single untrained psyker can doom planets.

[mystic geyser]

Well in 30k the sisters of silence manned the black ships. Then they stopped.. have they started again now?

[signal bramble]

Yes.

[rose gyro]

Yep

[signal bramble]

Under gman the sisters are also being reorganized and supported more than ever.

[rose gyro]

you got a few here and there

[simple sparrow]

Maybe Psykers wouldn’t go apeshit and risked everything if they were treated with decency 😌

[rose gyro]

but now many were summoned back to Terra

[celest dome]

Only if they are powerful

[signal bramble]

Post rift all the psykers are more powerful and their power is increasing by the day.

[rose gyro]

and work with the Custodes

[rose gyro]

most psykers' mind are destroyed by their power

no san at all

[plain bolt]

I imagine my psyker had an accident or psychic episode that caused a stir after it was lingering for a time and he not understanding what it was (then after that he probably had his 'imaginary friend' appear)

[signal bramble]

More psykers are being born every day thanks to the rift and it’s states that it’s also causing everyone who is a psyker to have their power increase every day.

[floral siren]

Ravenor must be able to move planets then

[rose gyro]

burn them all, just in case

[signal bramble]

The “beloved” voice pack? It’s the emperor far as we know.

[floral siren]

You just want to eat their souls

[plain bolt]

Yeah I was referencing the Loner personality who calls it their imaginary friend

Who is quite mean

[rose gyro]

someone has to

[signal bramble]

There’s an interaction where the veteran mentions the emperor and says something flippant and the loner says “don’t talk about my beloved that way!”

So that confirmed what the beloved is for me.

[plain bolt]

Those souls aren't gonna eat themselves

[rose gyro]

I think it is the Black Templars who has a no psyker policy

[signal bramble]

Unfortunately it doesn’t work that way. A psyker that’s not trained can activate their power unintentionally and wreak havoc even if they didn’t want to.

[rose gyro]

unless they were too important

[floral siren]

I really don't know much about the Templars

[signal bramble]

They’re super religious zealots who believe that any time spent not crusading or praying to big E is the worst way to spend time.

[floral siren]

Besides them waiting til Guilliman was out of the room to chuck the personally signed first edition of the Codex Astartes into the furnace

[signal bramble]

Their primary goal is to destroy everything big E finds disagreeable. Witches, mutants, and heretics specifically.

[rose gyro]

Eternal Crusade

[signal bramble]

Their zealotry also caused some of them to attack custodes once because they believed the primaris to be tech heresy.

[rose gyro]

more a legion than a chapter

[floral siren]

Custodes aren't Primaris

[signal bramble]

They came with the tech to make the primaris.

[floral siren]

No, they're older

[rose gyro]

no, no

[signal bramble]

You’re misunderstanding.

[rose gyro]

these are messagers

[floral siren]

Oh

[rose gyro]

sending by Guilliman, to share the tech with chapters

[floral siren]

Lol

Gotcha

[signal bramble]

The custodes were like “hey here’s the tech to make primaris marines, it’s a gift.” And the BT said “no heresy!” And attacked.

The custodes wiped out most of them and severely damaged the ship in the process though.

But the BT did win in the end.

[floral siren]

Didn't they take the tech anyways

[signal bramble]

Not that group.

No.

But the bt as a whole did.

[floral siren]

I know Battlesister has a Primaris BT in it

Ah

[celest dome]

Everyone remember the short story with the Custodes and the Primaris that refuse to surrender ?
And SM fans were arguing that it was the CUstodes that were in the wrong ?

[rose gyro]

these Primaris are just Deus Ex Machina

[rose gyro]

yes

[floral siren]

I hate the custodes existence and avoid reading stuff with them in it

Faction of cringe

[rose gyro]

the Brazen Drakes

[floral siren]

The Golden Bananas

[rose gyro]

well...

[floral siren]

That automod is vicious, lol

[rose gyro]

The Emperor's Legion is really well written

[celest dome]

Most SM chapter are just if not more cringe

[floral siren]

That's the Dawn of Fire book right?

[rose gyro]

Nope

Watchers of the Throne

[floral siren]

I avoid a lot of SM stuff too

[honest trellis]

Custodes are basically all the issues with Marine writing

and none of the positives

[floral siren]

I read some mind you, Ultramarines omnibus, Soul Drinkers stuff, Grey Knights stuff. It's all meh

But that was when I was in highschool and a book addict, trying to get back into reading now as an adult

[honest trellis]

try some ADB

[floral siren]

?

[rose gyro]

ADB, one of the best Black Library writer

[floral siren]

A Dicking, Big?

[rose gyro]

Aaron Dembski-Bowden

though I like your wording XD

[simple sparrow]

Every time I hear custodes I think of space marine custodians mopping bathrooms

[floral siren]

Custodes are just power creep

Space Marines are already humans cranked to eleven, and Custodes are made to be SM cranked to eleven again

[floral siren]

Sometimes you just need a big dicking down, ya know?

[rose gyro]

Approved.

https://files.cults3d.com/uploaders/14581776/illustration-file/d1b76fe2-c41c-4497-a2a2-dbbb30da0535/pic.jpg

[floral siren]

Lol

The only Auramite clad warrior I respect is Lord Lieutenant Messinius

[celest dome]

Mutant
All of them

[floral siren]

The God Emperor provides

[simple sparrow]

He provides a big dicking down?

[barren tapir]

They never stopped

[mystic geyser]

?

A big deal has been made of hunting them down to help again on two separate occasions

[barren tapir]

They never stopped staffing the black ships, but that was a part of them, others went in isolation and didn't did any other duty in the imperium

[north lotus]

There’s a specific subsection of mechs in battletech known as “carcenized” like the king crab, hermit crab, and best of all, crab. They tend to be fun for memes and the fact that they are really fun to use

[barren tapir]

But the black ships have always been staffed by SoS, and sob never put a foot on the black ships

Now the imperium, by order of big G (ang GW remembering about them), is calling them back for duty in other sections of the imperium... And back to being the psyker hunters they were in the great crusade era

[north lotus]

The king crab is a short ranged assault mech that is basically a elephant gun on legs. The hermit crab is a light mech that goes decently fast and also doubles as a walking forklift, and the crab is a medium mech which is stupid easy to repair and easy to use.

Rant over

[barren tapir]

The Chamber Astra oversees the operation and guarding of the Black Ships and are thus seen as the proudest of their Order. Unlike the rest of the Sisters of Silence, they never scattered after the Horus Heresy and have operated uninterrupted for the last ten millennia.```

[mystic geyser]

Getting multiple author syndrome but fair enough

It was a massive eshoehorn to bring back a hh unit exactly the same anyway

[hallow saddle]

Sisters of silence manning the black ships has been a thing in 40k since very early, iirc

I was looking earlier for an except from rogue trader but couldn't find one. But there's art of them going back a while

The 41st millennium being the OG setting

[barren tapir]

It has always been that way for black ship, they just cemented such lore with recent books... The part i linked to you is from throne of light iirc

[hallow saddle]

Really the Horus heresy and 30k are the new lore

[mystic geyser]

@hallow saddle I.. don't ..think... so. Sisters of silence (or Null maidens) were made up for the Horus Heresy project, which is comparatively recent.
Of course comparatively recent is still about 20 years ago now haha

[hallow saddle]

Black ships are some of the really really early stuff, some of the stuff that was directly influenced by Dune

[mystic geyser]

Yeah

[barren tapir]

Sister of silence were something that existed since the start of 40K

[hallow saddle]

I agree that their modern interpretation is from the HH but their roots go way way back to original art and rogue trader

[barren tapir]

Clearly inspired by the bene gesserit

[north lotus]

As it turns out, having a force of prison guards that can say “FUCK YO PSYKER SHIT MUTIE” while beating the crap out of the prisoners is really nice

[barren tapir]

That is their origin story yeah, initially the black ships were crewed by normal people from the astra telepathica, but they couldn't handle well psykers, then the Sister got found/revealed themself/got engineered and were put on such duty

[plain bolt]

I feel for psykers 😦

[mystic geyser]

I'd be interesting to see any older examples. The black ships are old but crewed by all female blanks isn't.

Love a lore dive.

[north lotus]

I do to, but I can understand their treatment.

[mystic geyser]

I'll admit this is Very niche

[hallow saddle]

Ah, very nice mate

[north lotus]

I mean wtf would a society do if it had suddenly gotten X-men in its midst.

Whom whenever they fuck up, do so bad enough it’s a potential continental if not planetary danger

I’m not say it’s a good thing, but it’s a understandable thing

@mystic geyser @robust cedar what would y’all do?

It’s a shit situation.

I don’t like the situation but it’s understandable

If it were a option, I would be ok with having a psyker college, but there’s very little one can do for that situation

Who can teach them?

[mystic geyser]

As a child of Magnus the Red, I would proposal schools dedicated to psyker training on every planet, to give them the skills to prosper 😄

[north lotus]

Remember prospero?

[mystic geyser]

Any warpstorm related side effects are coincidental

@north lotus was fine until the wolves came.

[robust cedar]

Abhor the witch, Destroy the witch.

[north lotus]

What I’m saying is there is a problem of scale and skill.

[north lotus]

A fair consideration

[north lotus]

From a practical perspective sanctioned psykers are a decent answer to your suggestion

Responsibility is what I’m worried about.

[robust cedar]

Too much risk of them giving themselves to the ruinous powers.

[rich sail]

psykers are abominations ripe to be purged out of existence

[north lotus]

Exactly.

[robust cedar]

Brother get the flamer....The heavy flamer

[mystic geyser]

Earliest reference I can find to black ships. WD 140. I'm sure there's an earlier one...

[lament prism]

g'day guys and girls

[mystic geyser]

That's.. actually reassuring in defence of the Beloved.. uh haha

[astral whale]

Funnily enough I think the black fleet is one of the largest fleet elements in sci fi.

[plain bolt]

Oh damn I haven't had that one yet

[north lotus]

YOU DARE?!

[frosty stag]

How strong is chao’s influence

Like if i just mutter nurgles name do i become a poxwalker or do i gotta be a hardcore fanatic

[mystic geyser]

Poxwalkers work like a disease, but the only defence outside of hygiene is piety

[north lotus]

Which both are really really nice.

I mean you can pray the pox away

At least in fantasy

[mystic geyser]

But worshipping nurgle can make you change pretty fast I guess. Its pretty much narrative based

[frosty stag]

Lmao

[north lotus]

Literally so.

[frosty stag]

So its like a disease but if i worship it just comes faster

[north lotus]

No, If you worship the emperor hard enough it can go away

But it’s ridiculously so.

[frosty stag]

How strong is the god emperors power

Im still very new to lore and stuff

All i know is he was strong sat in a chair and became a god

[north lotus]

The chaos gods call him the anathema.

[frosty stag]

Lol

[north lotus]

Just look at the sisters of battles miracles

[robust cedar]

The God Emperor's power is absolute, To suggest otherwise is Heresy. Emperor Protects

[north lotus]

https://youtu.be/B9V0bOB8sXQ

[urban spire]

in the grim darkness of the far future there is only the phrase "in the grim darkness of the far future there is only war"

[mystic geyser]

Reminded there is another example of an inquistor using servitor puppets.. the infamous Inquisitor Scarn,,..
https://web.archive.org/web/20080430112018/http://es.games-workshop.com/especialista/inquisitor/bestiario/scarn.html

[heady vale]

Reads like a DnD homebrew character

[mystic geyser]

Very much so lol

[echo vault]

That's how most characters started out especially in rogue trader, people just making shit from d&d but now in space. It just happened to turn into something much bigger

[storm jungle]

I'm sorry my dude, he sucks.

[robust cedar]

Heresy

[storm jungle]

the Dawn of War comment section is two roads down

[robust cedar]

The Emperor protects!

[storm jungle]

no

[robust cedar]

yes

[storm jungle]

[robust cedar]

I protect?

[storm jungle]

no, I reverse uno you out of this dimension

YEET

[robust cedar]

I reject your reality and substitute my own

Emperor provides

[storm jungle]

Hes a skeleton in my basement

so no

[robust cedar]

Cease this heresy.

[storm jungle]

Please stop rp'ing

[robust cedar]

XD

[odd palm]

The Emperor protects, the only problem old gramps on his recliner, works little more than 5 mins a day

[plush mason]

lol

[crisp heath]

AdRid just uploaded a Rylanor video 😰 prepare for a lore surge

[cerulean zinc]

Warhammer seems like an intimidating world to step into. Where do I start? What is canon?

[rose gyro]

start with Darktide

[torpid narwhal]

what are probators like

[rose gyro]

all you need is kill

[torpid narwhal]

like what would you equate them to

[rose gyro]

police

[torpid narwhal]

just a normal cop

[rose gyro]

since they are not Adeptus Arbites

the Arbites has the same level of power with Inquistion

[torpid narwhal]

how much authority do they have

[rose gyro]

free shoot to kill

[torpid narwhal]

so people are afraid of them

[rose gyro]

they are the police, after all

[floral siren]

Almost everything is canon. Contradictory details defer to the most recent.

Darktide has some cursory lore built into it. Turn on subtitles and pay attention to what the characters say, they'll shoot the shit during missions alot in ways that enlighten

Also in character creation. Read through all the options for everything, that helps you to glimpse the world

A lot of lore addicts read the novels put out by Black Library, they're made my many different authors, covering many different factions and types of story

And many different levels of quality

My main recommendation for anyone interested in the lore of 40k is the Eisenhorn books by Dan Abnett, it's a great shallow end of the pool as it effectively is a space detective story that will introduce you to other parts of the world and its horrors gradually

[rose thorn]

Find what faction you like most and start form there! And in both AOS and 40k it’s mostly just clones of stuff from other settings.

[heavy bison]

It helps allot too that most of the books and lore is written from the first person perspective and any discrepancy can often be chalked up to bias from the author/speaker or ignorance.

[cerulean zinc]

Thanks for the author recommendation! With so many books out there its hard to determine a starting point. So far I'm enjoying darktide and what lore I'm getting from that but for someone just jumping into 40k its tough knowing what's going on with to base.

[crisp heath]

Dan Abnett is definitely where to start. You got recced eisenhorn, but if you want a more brutal, front lines story I'd rec Gaunts Ghosts @cerulean zinc

[floral siren]

No worries. Two other recommendations Though, Dan Abnett wrote a long series called Gaunt's Ghosts that is terrific, it's like Band of Brothers meets the Imperial Guard, and 40k lore has entered a period called the Indomitus Era, Avenging Son by Guy Haley is the first in an ongoing multi-author series focusing on it

Gaunt's Ghosts is good, someday I'll go back and finish it

[crisp heath]

I only read the first 2 but I don't even think they're my favorite 40k novels but my favorite war novels altogether

[floral siren]

I'm slowly going through the Eisenhorn books and want to do the Ravenor and Bequin books also

[crisp heath]

(Although the daemon in the trenches in the first book was a bit cheesy)

[floral siren]

The third was my favorite

[crisp heath]

After I finish reading my necron books I'll probably read the third

[floral siren]

Defending a hive city and Gaunt at one point iirc becomes the commander of the entire defense

[crisp heath]

Ravenor is the peak of Abnetts inquisitor books tbh

Bequin isn't bad, but it fell flat with a lot of people

[floral siren]

Neat, I started reading the first Ravenor book and lost interest for some reason but I'm gonna give it a new chance as an audiobook

[crisp heath]

Yeah the only audio I liked was Our Martyred Lady but that's mostly because I can't sit still long enough to actually hear the words

Our Martyred Lady kept my attention and I sat in one spot and listened to it in one go

[floral siren]

The narrator for Eisenhorn and Avenging Son were both very good

[crisp heath]

Yeah I just have serious audio processing issues and have to devote my entire attention to a sound to really "hear" it, I can't do chores and listen to an audio book at the same time

So I'm very biased but OML kept my attention

[floral siren]

I work for the postal service so lots of mundane work like letter sorting and I have done well focusing on the book and work

Though there are times I realize I got distracted and missed something and have to rewind

[crisp heath]

Yeah basically all the time is distraction for me

I listened to the first few seasons of The Magnus Archive but had to lay flat on my back with the only stimulus being my vape to focus lmao

And even then I got too distracted sometimes lol

I usually don't even hear sounds that happen while I'm like, washing dishes or sweeping the floor. Very one thing at a time, so if audio keeps my attention I think that's high praise.

[winter ridge]

sharpes rifles*

it's based off of a bbc show

https://tenor.com/view/sharpe-rifles95th-sean-bean-gif-26007748

That's ur boy gaunt, ol' sean bean hisself

[floral siren]

Por que no los dos?

I use band of brothers as reference cause most people in America have never even heard of Sharpe in my experience

Similar concepts for a show, following a military unit through a military campaign

[dusk patrol]

Yeah its just a common comparison, Sharpe's definitely is what influenced it more, especially since GG came out before Band of Brothers did I believe, but there's similarities still.

And Band of Brothers is way way way more famous

[floral siren]

Sharpe is closer to the subtle in fighting of imperial commanders, but the Ghosts themselves remind me of WWII era troops

And yea, first Gaunt book was way back in '99, wow

[dusk patrol]

Yep

Series has been going on for more than 20 years

almost 25

[heavy bison]

Gaunt's Ghosts got me into 40k books mostly because I'd grown up reading Sharpe, Hornblower, Starbuck etc.

[ripe ravine]

the battle scenes are very 90s bbc but the rest of the Sharpe series holds up fairly well

haven't gotten around to the books yet

but I enjoy Aubrey & Maturin so I'm sure I'll like them

[plush mason]

as in the guy that invented the first true marksmanship rifle?

thus giving rise to the term "sharpshooter"

[winter ridge]

gaunts also described like sharpe

cain is Flashman

[winter ridge]

that's americans fault then isnt it:

Sergeant Varl, gripping the iron hand-loops of the truck's flatbed with his whirring mechanical limb, tried to rouse the spirits of his platoon by encouraging a song. A few of them joined unenthusiastically with a verse or two of 'Over the Sky and Far Away,' but it soon faltered.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOeYPpOblAw

and abnett has said it was his primary inspiration. BoB can be for the next round of BL inspiration wot wot

[serene mist]

Man
Part of me wants to write a Retributors (from Astartes) short for the newest BL successors book

[celest dome]

Saltzpire's VA play in it

[floral siren]

British soldiery pre world wars just doesn't resonate with us, makes us want to toss tea into harbors and what not

[north lotus]

I’ll make a exception for Zulu, if I can find a way to watch it

[floral siren]

Just seeing young Michael Caine makes that worth it

[north lotus]

I was going to say that the benefits of volley fire in a military role

[chilly creek]

Sharpe was never BBC, only ITV

Plenty of recognizable actors in it (either famous before or after) though - he kills James Bond!

[rose thorn]

Hey is the weapon that comes in the raven guard set like, a unique bolter?

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99070101041_RGPrimarisUpgrades01.jpg

Or is it just to have a scope on your bolter

[arctic talon]

It’s meant to go with the Intercessor kit

You just slap on the bits from that kit

[rose thorn]

Oh okay, so it’s just extra gun

I’m probably gonna get some of those black Templar neophytes and convert them into scouts

And convert these extra guns into snipers

[arctic talon]

Iirc there’s like

A little bird skull on those bolters

[robust cedar]

da real beaky boyz

[unique berry]

I maybe asked it before but what are those bird helmets for do they have special tech in it or something? didn't read much about SM Armor besides the 30k stuff

[arctic talon]

They’re just MK VI

Which is lighter weight then MKIII

And has more sensors in the beak area

The MKVII has those sensors but slimmed down

[crisp heath]

older tech, and in 40k older = better

[arctic talon]

Nah

[crisp heath]

yah

[arctic talon]

It isn’t better then MKVII lore wise

It’s just more quiet

MKVII has better armor

[crisp heath]

it's superior in being quieter

[arctic talon]

Yeah but it’s less durable

[crisp heath]

meh, just give em an iron halo to make up for it

[arctic talon]

That’s why a lot of legions didn’t like it

[crisp heath]

beakies are usually given to higher ranking members anyways

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

Nowadays

[crisp heath]

because it's better

[arctic talon]

Back then it was gona replace MKIV power armor

Which is uh

Not a great idea lol

[crisp heath]

mk4 was older, meaning it was better

[arctic talon]

Literally not true either

MK4 was heavier and more armored but it’s power pack was strapped on

Instead of being integrated

But it was really good at blocking bolter fire

[crisp heath]

meaning it was better

[arctic talon]

guess who had a lot of MK4 when the heresy broke out

[crisp heath]

at blocking bolter fire

[arctic talon]

It wasn’t better in every way tho

Lol

[dusk patrol]

There’s generally trade offs for the older stuff but typically Aquila and Errant pattern were considered better overall

Traitor legions enjoyed getting suits of them when they could

But for certain styles of warfare, obviously for Corvus stealth and agility, and for stuff like Crusade or Iron pattern it generally is described as being stronger.

[nova kernel]

Which sector does the Moebian Domain belong to?

[celest dome]

Do they Excel at what they do ?

[north lotus]

That’s a level of evil worse than the original variant

[robust cedar]

Auto correct

[nova kernel]

Nevermind

just found it

it is located near Hydraphur and Agripinaa within Segmentum Solar

[dusk patrol]

Segmentum Solar

[shut thorn]

So aside from (obviously) practical experience in the field, what would make standard space marines better than a primaris?

Like is there any sort of genetics or augments that the older versions have that they couldn’t replicate with the new primaris?

[storm jungle]

More or less the only acknowledged in-lore downgrade is that Primaris units aren't like Tactical Marines

who can almost operate/do any battlefield role, in Comparison the Primaris have to be designated into special weapon roles and such

[shut thorn]

Like you can’t just give a primaris marine a bolter and ask them to do something?

[storm jungle]

Like, your average Firstborn can basically use any basic weaponry most of the time but a Primaris has to get slapped wit a stupid "-cessor" name and be only regulated to a plasma gunner role

its very weird

its mostly due to tabletop reasons

the lore-explanation is very wonky

[north lotus]

And the fact that standard space marines have 10k worth of war materials holy or otherwise to work with.

[shut thorn]

Oh primaris only use plasma??

I remember in one story I was reading they all had plasma guns but they were super efficient and didn’t overload(until they were betrayed by some dark angels covering up something)

[storm jungle]

not only plasma

was just giving an example since they got so many Marines dedicated to just one role

you can look it up in the store page, theres a lot

[shut thorn]

Ahh ok. So best use for primaris would be to like assign them under a firstborn or something to make use of the knowledge experience and flexibility?

Unless it’s ultramarines, then they can just follow codex procedure

[storm jungle]

It entirely depends with the Chapter

[signal bramble]

In throne of light, a word bearer terminator tells the primaris they lack fire and fury.

They lack the soul of the legions.

[shut thorn]

like they dont have that hatred from experiencing the betrayal?

[wheat hearth]

Maybe this would be a good place to find the answer. On the neckbrace of the Psyker and Ecclesiarchal gear there is a round thing that looks like a speaker or a mic. Is that what it is?

[signal bramble]

More like that they’re too disciplined and mechanical.

[north lotus]

Can you send pictures?

[wheat hearth]

I always assumed it was some sort of voice enhancer, but I was never sure.

[shut thorn]

id assume some kinda voice enhancer/mic since if you dont have a helmet/earpiece, it gets pretty loud on the battlefield

[wheat hearth]

Ahhhh, good point.

[north lotus]

Additionally in the case of the zealot it’s probably a speaker

[storm jungle]

Its a boom-mic basically yeah

a lot of preachers in artwork have them

[signal bramble]

Excuse me. In this setting it’s referred to as a “vox caster.”

[gritty cove]

Help me out: I just watched the Astartes videos on YouTube and the very last one. What were those things inside orb? Where was that place they were taken to?

[signal bramble]

He made up all that stuff for his video.

[signal bramble]

It's not actual lore stuff.

[gritty cove]

Whattt, you're kidding.

[signal bramble]

No

That's all fanmade.

[gritty cove]

Lol, I was trying to draw a conclusion for the longest time like "Hmm, that sort of looks like Chaos, maybe something in the Warp like a portal or something??"

[crisp heath]

I always intepreted the "bad guys" in Astartes to be chaos-corrupted xenos and the orb to be some kind of warp rift that brought them to a place in one of the gods domains

[mental cradle]

Do you think Plague Marines are in pain?

[north lotus]

no, that's part of nurgle's blessing

[mental cradle]

oh

#worth it then

[north lotus]

it's still not worth it

[rose gyro]

no

Nurgle dudes are always rotten and looked quite painful, in reality they don't

which is why they wanna spread the "blessing"

it is unbearable however for those who don't believe in Nurgle

[mental cradle]

Do they retain their minds? Or do they eventually rot away with their bodies?

[alpine ingot]

Actually, the orb from the Astartes series is heavily implied to be a Yuvath artefact

[dusk patrol]

It’s not, the creator said he made it all up himself

He didn’t intend for it to be a Xenos race or whatever who already existed in setting

[alpine ingot]

well egg on face moment for me

funny how it lined up with something that was pre-existing though

[rose gyro]

it's very hard to say

someone, such as Typhus and Mortarion are very likely still themselves

but it works very much different for Horus

does a corrupted, twisted version of one's former self still count as themselves?

[north lotus]

The worst part of chaos is what you do isn’t just the corruption. It’s the personality as well.

The decline of a slaanesh follower can best show this

[rose gyro]

Improvement, thank you very much

[north lotus]

I’m referring to the drug addict deevolution example

[rose gyro]

Slaaneshi corruption is all about enhancing one's original self/desire/power

[north lotus]

And of excess

[rose gyro]

to a very excessive level

everyone wants to be perfect after all

[floral siren]

eh

When do we get a Chaos God of lounging on the couch and listening to music after a long day?

[arctic talon]

thats slaanesh/nurgle

lol

or rather it would fall under

either of them

[rose gyro]

Slaanesh

[floral siren]

But it's like. A lack of excess

[rose gyro]

listening to the chorus of a billion torment souls

sitting on a couch made up by melted living flesh

having Daemonettes singing and dancing around, some purring on the couch

[raven prawn]

UwU

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2cle-AdV_Q0

[ebon jacinth]

I wonder the directions of Nurgle is going to expand in game. So far they have been pretty tame with not that expansive towards the lore.

[unique berry]

Image worshiping Chaos Gods pathetic

[celest dome]

Well the last Vox teased toward Plaguebearers, so we might get them and Bilepiper soon

And tbh, the current line-up is quite appropriate with the lore

[mystic geyser]

Ughh a bilepiper. That would be a ... thing. Let's break immersion briefly to have a capering loon with a bagpipe. His negative effect is making it impossible to hear your team dialogue

[barren tapir]

Yo, have anyone else seen the big sniper rifle that the exodus model for alpha legion heresy era do?

It looks really good, and it could finally be seen as a solid projectile rifle that isn't super special either

Minus the magazine part, that look weird

[heavy bison]

IDK, I'm not sold on there being a 'better' imperium sniper rifle than the Exitus Rifle that the assassin temple uses.

[barren tapir]

You mean tabletop rules wise or lore wise? Because i don't remember to have read it being better

[heavy bison]

Mostly lore. Though I guess GW always wants to make new stuff shiny.

[shadow plover]

The Instrument is 72" Str 7 AP 1 Heavy 1 with Sunder, Pinning and Deadly Aim
or
24" Str 7 AP 2 Assault 3 with Sunder, Pinning
Exitus Rifle is 100" Str 7 AP2 Heavy 1 with Murderous Strike (5)

so take that as what you will

[heavy bison]

I thought Exitus was 72'' ap1

So thats fair

[celest dome]

Doesn't have to stop dialogues and stuff, as it would most likely be an Aura buffer type of unit

[robust cedar]

COUGH Fulgrim COUGH

[rose gyro]

he's the one traitor I actually feel sorry for him

[robust cedar]

Magnus did nothing wrong.

[rose gyro]

he did everything wrong

[north lotus]

You ever see the siren in killing floor 2?

[celest dome]

Every Primarch deserve to meet the Business end of a Melta

[north lotus]

Even vulkan the blacksmith?

[celest dome]

Yes

[north lotus]

What I mean by this is that it makes a loud noise that makes grenades and psychic magic impossible, and deafens the character

Which is kinda something you want to have Available when you have a horde of ze- I mean poxwalkers coming towards you

Oh, and it also distorts the screen and slowly causes damage

Tl;dr, shoot the bitch

[celest dome]

The simplest way would be to make them a stand in for the Banner Beastmen in Vt2

[robust trellis]

Hey fatshark
you need some cosmetic ideas?

Make a set of cat ears and tail for the accessory slot so that it fits with any helmet; and say its a felinid thing.

You think im kidding, but theres a lot of furries into 40k and furries have a lot of disposable income.

Cat ear cosmetic will pay for you to finish the game single handedly

[celest dome]

Also for #theorycrafting or general, not Lore channel

[unique berry]

Ah hell nah

[robust trellis]

Figured only the lore nerds would even know whay a felinid is for the joke

[celest dome]

Felinids aren't exactly obscure lore

Most people who follow Grimdank know of them in passing

And tbh, I'm against it

[unique berry]

Same

[robust trellis]

What, you dont want UwU'ing zealots?
Lmfao

And want it or not, you know im right. It WOULD sell

[hushed kayak]

[celest dome]

Not really

Like there is nothing telling how popular it would be

[unique berry]

The only thing that would 100% happen is trolling whoever wears them.

[robust trellis]

You severely underestimate how bad furries are with their wallets

[hushed kayak]

anyways, what do you guys think of Abaddon being angry at Fulgrim. Based on the leaks, i wonder what he did to piss him off

[unique berry]

I mean its Fulgrim

[celest dome]

What did Fulgrim not do to have anyone angry at him

[unique berry]

exactly

[hushed kayak]

yeah point taken

[unique berry]

Is Palm head doing anyhting else than being mad at Fulgrim in the leaks?

[arctic talon]

Killing imperials

[unique berry]

Nothing special k thx

[north lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/inquisition-symbol-warhammer40k-imperium-of-man-gif-15421385

[robust trellis]

Felinids are canon, you cannot deny it. They exist in official lore books

And furries have way too much disposable income

YOU HATE ME BUT DEEP DOWN YOU KNOW IM RIGHT

[unique berry]

Nah just the dislike of furries tbh

[robust trellis]

Furries dont like furries, so i mean
Why do you think so many of them like 40k

[celest dome]

While Felinids exist in the lore, they are mostly put to their own planets

So they wouldn't make much sense in this setting

Owlcat's Rpg would be more appropriate to introduce them to the devant de la scène

If we didn't get Women Ogryn...

[robust trellis]

Iirc the 6th edition imperial guard codex says they can be recruited to the militarum auxilla the same as an ogryn.

Just obviously theres a whole lot less of them than ogryn

[mystic geyser]

I don't think they even have any other lore. Even the idea they are cat people is just a guess by fans

[robust trellis]

And i know where on 9th edition but i dont think theyve been mentioned in anythinf but 6th ed and the liber xenology

[crisp heath]

Most felinid "lore" revolves around how them and their planet came to be introduced

[celest dome]

iirc Kroot don't really find them to have different taste from other Human

[robust trellis]

Glorious overlords at tencent who value money above opinions

[unique berry]

So now Im done no pics in storage that are "nice"

[celest dome]

You do realise that Tencent doesn't care

But GW and FS do

[robust trellis]

Do you want the crafting system finished?

Add cat ears.
The furries will pay for it

[celest dome]

And if we didn't get Shadowdancer Kerillian, I don't think they'll go in the cheap things

[crisp heath]

I think at this point any official reveal of felinids would cause bad attention because either they're furries, catgirls, or abominations and everyone has a preference

[celest dome]

Are you saying that because you're one ?

[crisp heath]

I'd absolutely pay money to play a veternyan

[mystic geyser]

I wonder if GW would sign onto it.
They agree to Tertium scented candles so my expectations are low

[robust trellis]

See?

[robust trellis]

But for full disclosure yes I am considered a furry.

Thats why I know theres so many of them that play 40k secretly under your furry hating noses

[crisp heath]

GW can't even rip off the khajits sliding scale of furriness without making it too obvious

[unique berry]

https://tenor.com/view/furry-kill-all-furris-warhameer40000-40k-gif-26446836

[robust trellis]

Its a whole black market circle of furry 40k

I knew a guy who 3d printed an entire IG felinid army

[mystic geyser]

Ooh. Liber Xenologis passed me by.. let's have a read. Yes, the reference to Felinids is only to make a joke

[crisp heath]

I think they're a cool idea that could tap into a popular market, but if they're ever revealed it's going to leave a lot of people disappointed no matter what they end up being

[robust trellis]

Veternyan and zealUwUt

[unique berry]

Is that a real Unit from Ultramar or just fan art?

[crisp heath]

Nekogryn

Psykyaaa

[celest dome]

Might be the Ultramar Auxilia

[unique berry]

Thanks gonna read up

[celest dome]

Official art of them

[unique berry]

Thats a grimdark regiment design

Looking good tho

But the fan art looks better cause roman touch

[arctic talon]

Looks like fan art

[robust trellis]

The cosmetic thay makes tf2 medic a furry trades for like $40 on average, in its non-strange, non-unusual version. Ontop if it only be wearable on halloween or full moons.

Imagine what furries would pay for darktide cat ears

Oh no, its $70

[unique berry]

They would be bullied into the warp

[unique berry]

Thought so but still looks good

[arctic talon]

oh yeah denying that

*not

denyhing that

[celest dome]

TF2 hasn't previous lore and isn't a "serious" setting (While W40k is very parody-ish it is not cartoonish)

[unique berry]

Why ya still reply to him Heretic? He wont stop anyway

[robust trellis]

Felinids arent chaos, theyre imperium loyal.

As am I, merely suggesting a method to get the game we love finished

[celest dome]

Didn't say they were

And that isn't needed

[dusk patrol]

Felinids are also only referenced like twice in the entirety of 40k

[mystic geyser]

Lmao

[storm jungle]

Xenologis makes them a recent mention so they still exist

but again no physical/art-appearance at all yet so

[dusk patrol]

Oh yeah they definitely exist still

It’s just like, its not probably gonna come up in the game

[unique berry]

I just waited for Dilara to appear 😂

[dusk patrol]

In terms of a character

They have a voiceline about them I believe

[mystic geyser]

My beloved says they are beautiful

[storm jungle]

I have been watching this chat for like the last 40 minutes

[robust trellis]

For thise not part of the furry fandom, i.e. most of you

There was a fucking art commission auction for a single character thay sold for 20 grand

Furries have WAY too much money to throw away on whatever you bait them with

[storm jungle]

Thats also because most rich furries got high-end jobs

like literal scientists and shit

which is

[unique berry]

I tried to be nice I swear

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

And ?

[robust trellis]

Cat ears would pay for the crafting system to be added to the game, tomorrow

Sall im sayin

[storm jungle]

but yeah thats probably a better concept for #theorycrafting

or the subreddit

Im sure cat-ears exist in lore too but thats another can of worms

[robust trellis]

Admin knows whats up

[gaunt sable]

Would really dig more Psyker lore.
We need more stuff about the Adeptus Astra Telepathica.
Or the various Astra Telepathica temples like the Temple Calix.

[storm jungle]

We already got a ton of that

its just uh, hidden in their respective books

[mystic geyser]

OK but I've just learned about the Thrix, abhumans with Lethal Plumage. Where's all the fan art for them 😅

[gaunt sable]

Not as much as you'd think.

Most of the good lore that can be found about the AAT is from the FFG RPG's like Dark Heresy.

[storm jungle]

Yeah but some specific books still give a lot of that lore

its pretty much still there

[gaunt sable]

The only book I can recall with lots of lore on them was Blind.

Which was actually a super awesome murder mystery involving a bunch of Astropaths.

[storm jungle]

Witchbringer is also a good one

it doesnt take place in the Telepathica but its like the first proper sanctioned psyker story

[gaunt sable]

If I recall some of that book didn't make much sense as despite being a Primaris Psyker she was treated as if she were barely a sanctioned Psyker.
Might be wrong and thinking of something else though.

[arctic talon]

Primaris psykers are still treated like trash

Better then normal sanctioned psykers

But psykers in general get the short end of a stick

[gaunt sable]

Everything I've read indicates their not treated like trash.
Their treated with a mix of awe and fear because they can make someone's head pop and they are given a very very long leash by the authorities.

Primaris Psykers going by the codexes can even be given battlefield command and are often attached to Officers to help advise or direct their powers.

On the other hand regular Sanctioned Psykers treatment varies immensely from decent if grudging to...Well what happened to Agun Soric in the Gaunts Ghosts series which was a particularly grim and disturbing fate.

[lunar iron]

i feel like other space marines would look down on librarians or primaris psykers, but to any imperial citizen they'd still be revered as the emperors angels

[open marsh]

Unless they become Inquisitors. In which case, yeah...they are Inquisitors

[gaunt sable]

Yeah. No one really gave Eisenhorn shit.
Or Ravenor. Or really any Psyker Inquistor.

[open marsh]

Yeah, even tho they are technically a Sanctioned Psyker

[gaunt sable]

Eisenhorn even mentions being plucked up by the Black Ships.

[gaunt sable]

My point is that their are definitely gradients in how Psykers are treated.

[open marsh]

Yep

[gaunt sable]

And it mostly depends on Sanctioned/Unsanctioned, their mental fortitude/willpower and where exactly they fall into the Imperium.

Astropaths for example are actually treated surprisingly well because they were soul-bound to the Emperor.

[open marsh]

soric didnt deserve that. His loyalty was so great that even tho he was tortured into madness, he never stopped looking out for the other Tanith FaO

[gaunt sable]

And there's even an entire class of Astropath that's accepted by the
(Begrudgingly.)

[gaunt sable]

I think for Soric it was a mix of being an extremely POWERFUL Psyker. (If memory serves he's a Beta.) but also had trouble controlling or even really understanding his abilities.

It's still on the extreme dark end.

[open marsh]

No he had no issues controlling his powers. He did struggle at the start, because they had just awakened. Noone would be in full command of them at that stage.

But he did gain mastery over them. To the point that even tho driven mad by torture, he still had full control over them

Strange power tho. Able to basically create fully physical manifestations of others. Like that officer he copied to rescue those other Tanith. They found out later that the officer was confirmed KIA days before said rescue

[gaunt sable]

Shrugs
I think he had trouble controlling his powers since his only way of warning the Ghosts were really weird manifestations and stuff.
But it's been a while since I read the book and it wouldn't shock me if Abnett wrote Soric's fate like that to do a good ole gut punch.

Because THAT particular fate seems extreme by Sanctioned Pysker standards.

Or at least by Abnett Standards?

[open marsh]

Its what it was. Soric was still Soric. But the torture had physically crippled and blinded him. And he was in constant pain. With his jailers treating him as a monster despite not being unstable. Basically their own ignorance ruined a good soldier would had very potent psyker powers

[gaunt sable]

There's a reason Abnett's stuff is sometimes called the Abnett-verse.

Because his stuff is generally more grounded and realistic and Soric's fate seems more in line with the more pulpy stuff BL churns out.

[gaunt sable]

Actually the more I think about it the more Soric's fate doesn't make sense and makes me think it was more meant to be an emotional gut punch then something well thought out.

[open marsh]

pinned its wasted limbs to the cage frame. Hark could see that it had undergone extensive surgery.
Sutured scars criss-crossed its dirty scalp and augmetic devices had been implanted in its neck, chest
and throat. Its ears had been clipped off with shears and its eyes had been sewn shut. It slumped
naked in a pool of its own waste. Open, weeping sores covered the flesh of its torso.```

[gaunt sable]

Trip from the Black Ships would take him to Terra, he'd have been sorted and sent to the Scholastic Psyskana for training (Which takes five years.) and if he survived that he'd be attached to the Guard or some other organization and deployed.

[open marsh]

Know how long some psykers are stuck on Black Ships? And its not a pleasant ride.

[gaunt sable]

I forget how long the time is between the conclusion of the Saint Arc and the time of Hinterzhaus.

[gaunt sable]

Varies.

Black Ships cruise around on their circuit till the holds are filled and they gotta return to Terra.

[open marsh]

I personally think they considered him too old, or simply too powerful, to be used as we would normal psykers

[gaunt sable]

Well they DO prefer younger picks.

But if he were too old and too powerful they'd have just fed him to the Throne or use him as kindling for the big psychic lighthouse.

[open marsh]

Eh usually only lower grade psykers are used at throne fuel

[gaunt sable]

But my point is that ole' Soric's fate just seems to be less Abnett's style and more grimderp then usual.
Which makes me think the entire reason was giving readers a gut punch.

[open marsh]

Soric was a Beta-grade psyker. Too powerful to be wasted like that. Tho if he was too old to be fully trained. They have used him more as a ticking time bomb. Make him use his powers until it kills him or he just otherwise kills over

[gaunt sable]

Or the one's who are very powerful but can't control it. But point.

Or they just shoot them.

Like I said.
Soric's fate seems more grimderp then Abnett's usual stuff.

[open marsh]

The mutilation and torture seemed to be more to make him un-pallatable to daemonic possession

[gaunt sable]

But yeah.
Basically the Pysker Pipeline is like this.

[open marsh]

They considered Soric a possession risk.

[gaunt sable]

Pysker is secured for the Black Ships to maybe arrive eventually. (Some places they show up once a decade other times a planet can be left waiting for 100 or more years.)

Psyker is secured on the blackships as the ships make the rounds collecting more and more pyskers till the holds are full and they have to return to Terra.

During the Cruise the Psykers are sorted based on stuff like age, power level, mental illness, willpower and etc.

With the one's who are just WAY too dangerous killed en route.

[open marsh]

(and this is assuming afformentioned Psyker survives the Black Ships....sane)

Ones who have, say, telepathic abilities. but cant control it. get bombarded by the powerful thoughts of other nearby psykers until they go mad

among other unpleasantries depending on ability

[gaunt sable]

Once the Ships reach Earth the Psykers are all sorted out based on the above. With the one's deemed 'useless' feed to the Throne or the Astronomicon. (The one's who are too weak, too old, too powerful, uncontrollable or some combination of the above and etc.)

The one's that are useful are then shunted off to the Adeptus Astra Telepathica and then shunted off even further.

With some who might have willpower issues soul bound to the Emperor and turned into Astropaths.

With the rest being shunted off to Scholastica Psykana Temples/Campuses for training for five years.

[open marsh]

Who are you saying this for, anyway. I am aware of this

[gaunt sable]

The neat thing about the S.P. Temples is that their ALL over the damn place and focus on different things.

[gaunt sable]

Because I'm bored xD

[open marsh]

Valid

[gaunt sable]

Well one neat thing that the FFG canonized are specialist temples that train up Psykers into Super Soldiers like the Calix Templars that are doled out to the Guard, Inquistion or other groups for certain missions.

Also because a lot of people don't know the Psyker Pipeline or much about the Adeptus Astra Telepathica or Scholastica Psykana.

It's a shame they don't get more lore/stories because their honestly extremely fascinating as an organization.

[open marsh]

Yeah. The most dangerous part of the whole thing is, ironically, actually getting to the black ships

There was a short story when the psychic awakening came out. A group of newly awakened psykers turned themselves in to await the black ships.

Instead the zealous church on the world went full BURN THE WITCH. Which drove said psykers to seeking refuge with the Thousand Sons

[gaunt sable]

It's low key frustrating because we've seen a lot of Psyker characters before. But actually very little too nothing about the Astra Telepathica.

Eisenhorn, Ravenor and plenty of other characters presumably went through through the Scholastica Psykana and yet...Nada.

[gaunt sable]

Yeah sounds about right. x-x;

40k can't stop being grimderp.

Also ironically the Church on that world would have had the Arbites and Inquistion jumping down and landing on their necks boot-heel first.

Because the one thing you NEVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER EVER do is FUCK with the Psyker Tithes.

The moment their taken into custody and waiting for the Black Ships their more or less under the..."Protection" of the Adeptus Terra.

[open marsh]

‘Daemons, priests,’ scoffed Cheng. ‘Children’s tales and their peddlers. You know what our fate would be. They’d have a nice warm pyre all ready for us in Penitents’ Square, just like Rennj and Yaekob.’

‘Rennj was mad,’ said Siana in a small, haunted voice. 

‘And Yaekob?’ Cheng demanded. She shook her head. 

‘He went to the priests in good faith and they burned him,’ said Cheng, and found as he did that the anger and horror of that awful day was still raw.```

[gaunt sable]

Oh yeah. I'm actually surprised the Arbites didn't start shooting them.

That's literally their job.

"Wait. Your trying to Burn the Emperors tithe?"
Starts aggressively racking shotgun

Sounds like GW trying to be grim-derp again.

[plain bolt]

Thanks for that, it was cool information to read 🙂

[serene mist]

I'm not going to lie
In the past I've considered writing an IG Regiment that hails from a manufactorum/hive world who essentially are Arbites, but with more emphasis on removing "Large scale uprisings" and the 40K equal of "Riots"

That rapidly became

• Hard to write
• In poor taste with all the other stuff going on IRL

Not to mention sorta weird, like the Terrax Guard being all Commissars

[rose thorn]

Honestly the historians Gulliman made are rally fucking cool, I’d love to make a themed army that ar just historian body guards with a historian, that will be a kitbahsed inquisitor

‘Religion, nah, books, fuck yeah’

[plush mason]

well they arent really. just dressed like them due to the prominence of the scola there iirc

[gaunt sable]

Yeah. Their an interesting organization because of the paradox of the Imperium being very anti-psyker but there being an absolutely MASSIVE Imperial Bureaucracy that has a permanent seat among the High Lords of Terra.

And it's one that's staffed and run predominantly BY Pyskers.
Though they do have a large amount of Non-Psyker staff like the Sisters of Silence and the Black Sentinels and other associated watchdogs.

The disappointing thing is that Warhammer hasn't really explored this organization all that much.

[plain bolt]

Im really interested in psykers since I made one. They're cool and I also feel sorry for them

[gaunt sable]

And it never really has reconciled some stuff like Anti-Psyker attitudes with some prominent Psyker characters in the novels like Eisenhorn, Ravenor and etc who are Psykers but no one seems to give a shit about it.

Granted, the FFG materials do a REALLY good job of trying to reconcile this stuff. But I'm talking strictly about the novels. xD

[gaunt sable]

Yeah. Their fascinating.
It's why I've gotten art made of my Psyker character and recently got back into Dark Heresy.

[unique berry]

Abhor the Witch

[gaunt sable]

Are they still a Witch if their Sanctioned? :V

[unique berry]

Idk 😦

[gaunt sable]

The answer is no. :p

Though their still colloquially called Witches.

Unsanctioned Psykers are Witches.

[unique berry]

Abhor the Witch. Destroy the Witch

[gaunt sable]

But yeah.
FFG actually has a lot of interesting lore to them.
Like dividing non-specialized Sanctioned Psykers. (Specialized Like Templars, Primaris, Astropaths and etc.) between Savants and Scholars.

[arctic talon]

Black templars don’t even hate sanctioned psykers

And astropaths

Hell they don’t even know why they don’t have psykers

[gaunt sable]

I'm pretty sure they hate Sanctioned Psykers except for Astropaths since...You know. Soul Bound to the Emperor.

[unique berry]

I know was bored and Im reading a BT book tho eh

[arctic talon]

They don’t hate sanctioned psykers that much to the point where they’re gona bash their heads in randomly

If the emperor decides to bless them with psykers again

They’ll gladly accept them into their ranks

And bring back their librarius

[gaunt sable]

Well yeah. That'd probably piss off the High Lords if they go around killing sanctioned psykers without due cause.

[arctic talon]

Also the fact they sorta want librarians again

Since they’re starting to lose track of stuff

They don’t have proper records keeping because they don’t have a librarius

[gaunt sable]

the Psykana Temple Calix is an order of elite militant
psyker-warriors, battle mystics devoted to personal skill at
arms and the focusing of their psychic might and abilities to
augment their power in close combat.
The Scholastia Psykana is made up clusters of sanctioned
schools, methods and traditions that focus on the use of
psychic power, which, although overseen and regulated by
the authorities on Holy Terra, can vary greatly from sector
to sector, both in their methods and in their philosophy.
Within the Calixis Sector, there are many such branches of the
Scholastia, one of the smallest and most reclusive of are the
Templars Calix, whose isolated temple-monastery is based in
the polar wastelands of Scintilla. While several branches of the
Scholastia focus on preparing sanctioned battlefield psykers for
use alongside the armies of the Imperium in the battlefield, or
their function as specialist advisors to military commanders, the
Psykana Temple Calix focuses instead on martial skill, honing
the mind and body together to create deadly superhuman
warriors who can vanquish their foes in a blaze of power and
with the screaming edge of a force blade```

[gaunt sable]

I find that silly.
They seriously can't just get serfs to do their book-keeping? xD

[arctic talon]

The serfs are picking up some of the slack but most of their serfs tend the armory/relics/everything else

And also the dumb rule of no one is allowed into the Eternal crusaders librarius

Unless give permission by a librarian

There’s a small issue with that

[unique berry]

They think or thought that Physkers are abominations which is funny and ironic since the big E you know

[arctic talon]

That isn’t even true anymore

As of their 8e supliment

They’re just wary of them

[unique berry]

It was the last thing I knew about it

[gaunt sable]

Retcons for the Retcon God.

[unique berry]

Anyway GN nerds

[arctic talon]

Gn

[simple sparrow]

I wonder if people actually know the emperor is a psyker lol

[gaunt sable]

If I recall it's like....Kind of an open secret?

At least amongst the more learned.

Actually something I've been thinking about is how do we reconcile the Imperiums, 'Abhor the Witch' and massive distrust of Psykers with the Inquistion being absolutely chockful of them to the point where it's a trope.

(I've been reading Eisenhorn once again and it's crazy how ever Inquistor seen so far seems to also be a Psyker. Eisenhorn, Voke, Heldane, Ravenor....)

[arctic talon]

Yeah there's a ton of psykers in the inqusition

its pretty funny

[gaunt sable]

Like I said. It's just a bit of a headscratcher.

The Imperium as an institution has a healthy suspicion of Psykers even if they need them. The degree to this suspicion waxes and wanes depending on several factors.
But the Inquistion just seems rife with them and no one really seems to mind/care....I mean, outside of the Inquisitors who absolutely HATE Psykers.

[ripe ravine]

I believe everyone who would be disgusted by a psychic inquisitor is busy being completely terrified of them. as soon as they flash the rosette you do what they tell you

[gaunt sable]

I bring it up because I've been re-reading Abnett's Inquistion stuff again and just the sheer non-reaction to people knowing that some of the main characters are Psykers is interesting compared to other novels and lore having them be tolerated at absolute BEST

[ripe ravine]

so yeah all but the most puritan inquisitors, the moderate ones probably see value in their abilities

[arctic talon]

^

also the consequences of trying to kill an inqusitor

are uh

extreme

[dusk patrol]

Also Inquisitors cause fear in everyone else who would disagreed

Psyker or otherwise

[ripe ravine]

wait until you get to Ravenor, average people are not wild about the chair

[gaunt sable]

I'm more talking about other Inquisitors or the Inquisitors retinue or other Imperial Authorities.
Eisenhorn using his 'Will' on a bunch of people generates like...No one freaking out.

[gaunt sable]

Honey. xD
I've had these books for so long the paper's yellowed and got that old book scent. :p

And peoples reaction to the chair is, "Oh my God. Creepy Chair with a fucking gun." xD

[ripe ravine]

well Imperial authorities are just as terrified of inquisition as everyone else most of the time

[gaunt sable]

Looks at one of Imperial Authorities on Hubris yelling at Eisenhorn

Granted. xD
Abnett-Verse. :p

[arctic talon]

I mean yelling at an inqusitor in pretty much any warhammer setting

usually gets you a stern talking to at best lol

[gaunt sable]

True. And Eisenhorn wasn't ruffled beyond, "God I hope this idiot doesn't delay me. I need to leave the planet."

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors exist a bit outside the normal structure of the Imperium. They're one of the groups that speaks with the authority of the Emperor, so they have exceptions

[gaunt sable]

True. But my point is that people's reactions to Eisenhorn as a person are pretty friendly and affable.

No one ever really reacts to him being a Witch.

The only time it's come up is, "Monodominant Inquistors are pissy about Pyskers." but it didn't stop Eisenhorn's mentor from teaching him.

[arctic talon]

tbf I feel like if you become an interrigator or explicator

you being a psyker isn't as big of a deal since

you've gotten past everything else

[gaunt sable]

I'm aware.
I'm not strictly talking about the Imperiums institutional issues with Psykers so much as individuals non-reaction.

[crisp heath]

Sanctioned psykers in general don't seem to be treated as poorly in general as witches though. Navigators are distrusted because they're isolationist old money creeps, and astropaths are on the other end of the spectrum and generally anti-social and weird, but it's not super uncommon for people to treat sanctioned psykers as more or less equals

[ripe ravine]

depends on the author. there's a lot of open disgust for even sanctioned pyskers in certain stories

I recall the psyker in Cadian Blood being treated like shit even though he was probably one of the most courageous members of the regiment

[gaunt sable]

This is going to be a WIERD comparison. xD
But Will Smiths, 'Wild Wild West' where he plays as a Black Marshall during Reconstruction America.
He's a U.S. Marshall empowered by the government but people he still has to deal with what you would expect. (Granted not nearly as bad as it would be, but you know. 2000's hollywood movie.)

[ripe ravine]

they can't help it, psykers just give off that "this dude is gross" vibe

[gaunt sable]

Those are Blanks.

[ripe ravine]

no they literally give off that vibe

but people still don't like psykers

[crisp heath]

Psykers make people feel weird too

Especially navigators but that's in part because they're visibly mutated

Speaking of

https://preview.redd.it/3b23n58snwf91.jpg?auto=webp&s=76af40a695b3eb2994d41952f15b90cd22e939cc

She's an angel

[ripe ravine]

rites of passage?

[arctic talon]

She wants to cut out the menials throats

because she finds them annoying

[ripe ravine]

that's a great piece of art but wtf she's a navigator they're not supposed to be cute

[arctic talon]

She's young

Navigators when they're young can be very attractive

[crisp heath]

I can fix her

[arctic talon]

Thats what the Navigators sent to the High Lords Council are

[crisp heath]

Not all navigators even get super-mutated

[arctic talon]

they're always young and good looking

if they begin developing mutations they get replaced

[ripe ravine]

that has not been my experience reading the books but I'm not gonna quibble. most of the navigator characters I've read about are serving on ships and appropriately look like trash

[crisp heath]

Some "navigators" don't even have a Warp Eye, although most do since there's, well, very selective breeding in place

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah most do look like trash

but there's exceptions

[crisp heath]

I also think her art kind of implies she's a lot more fucked up under the robes, and you're just seeing a little bit of her mutation

If you look at her neck the skin looks loose and flabby even though she's thin

[arctic talon]

she might be like the navigator from blackstone fortress

he's growing gills on his upper body

but his face is "fine"

[ripe ravine]

why are you thinking about what's under her robes this one commissar

but yeah that's a good point

most of the time people do everything they can to cover up the mutations, even the navigator houses likely have hangups

[arctic talon]

and also at one point he thinks his gills are like whispering to him lol

and he freaks out

[ripe ravine]

that navigator did not have a pleasant storyline

[crisp heath]

Honestly sentient gills giving you dark omens seems like it would be pretty normal in navigator houses

[ripe ravine]

no shpoilersh but there's some body horror stuff going on with this character

that goes beyond just being a navigator

[arctic talon]

yeah

honestly I do like Navigators in stories

they're neat

also odds are the Navigator in the Rogue Trader game prolly has something up with her

considering she was sheltered for her entire life

[crisp heath]

Aren't the main npcs romanceable? They know what they're doing

[signal bramble]

Navigators are highly unlikely to be romanceable.

If you know, you know.

[ripe ravine]

real question is can we romance the space marine

[arctic talon]

a few of them are

The Navigator is romancable

[gaunt sable]

I don't recall Psykers giving off 'bad feeling vibes' unless their actively using their powers to fuck shit up around them. (Or can't control it.)
The only one's I recall who give off a 'Bad Sense' Vibe are Blanks where that's literally their schtick.

[arctic talon]

ironicially

but the SoB and Marine are both not

[gaunt sable]

I'm expecting Owlcat to screw gay/bi guys out of great romances. xD

[ripe ravine]

I don't mean they literally radiate an aura of bad feelings. I mean some people can sense the warp being used which terrifies them, and if you reveal your psyker nature its very natural for 40k humans to fall back on "oh shit a witch!" levels of horror

[arctic talon]

The Dark eldar in that game look great

[crisp heath]

There's a Night Lord who is half-Navigator

[ripe ravine]

the disgust that comes after is very natural

[gaunt sable]

....Wat

[crisp heath]

They are entirely dateable, they just don't do it often because they lose the navigator gene

[gaunt sable]

Ah, you meant like that. Yeah.
You can boink them. Your kids wouldn't express the gene though

That's why they 'Keep it in the Family'

[crisp heath]

Decimus is a young Space Marine carrying the gene-seed taken from Talos Valcoran by Variel the Flayer. He may be the son of two of Talos' slaves, Septimus and the Navigator Octavia, as Talos warned them Variel would come for their child one night if he survived Tsagualsa.

[ripe ravine]

I'm really looking forward to heading back to the Calixis sector

[gaunt sable]

How do you tell the difference between the Navigator's sister and father?

[ripe ravine]

especially since the new cubicle 7 rpg is going to be set in a new region

[gaunt sable]

You don't, they're the same person!

[arctic talon]

lmfao

[gaunt sable]

Good. I was massively disappointed with Wrath and Glory sticking players in a single system.

[arctic talon]

Wrath and glory is neat but also belh

its limiting

[gaunt sable]

Wrath and Glory had a handful of good ideas but had some shoddy execution and very questionable choices like limiting players to a SINGLE STAR SYSTEM. That is bizarrely waaaaay overdeveloped because they tried stuffing everything in.

[ripe ravine]

very important thing to remember about Wrath & Glory, Cubicle 7 did not develop it. that was Ulisses Spiel

[gaunt sable]

Also it's Tiers system could get sorta dumb.

[ripe ravine]

Cubicle 7 bought the rights to keep working on it when it didn't do great

[gaunt sable]

I'm aware.

[gaunt sable]

Gee, wonder why that happened? xD

[crisp heath]

I mean it's pretty standard now to just have the same scenes for romanceable characters regardless of what gender you play

[ripe ravine]

yeah wrath & glory is not my favorite system either. some cool lore bits here and there

will be glad when maledictum finally launches though

[gaunt sable]

Like W&G came on the heels of Dark Heresy, Only War, Black Crusade, Death Watch and ROGUE TRADER and weaved together a dense and interconnected web of sectors, stories and plots.

And W&G was found WANTING.

[ripe ravine]

no idea who thought it was a good idea to stay in one system

[crisp heath]

Although granted the only passably attractive man on the ship is the Interrogator...

[arctic talon]

W&G had a lot of good ideas

but

[gaunt sable]

Looks at Bioware's latest offerings
I wish.

[ripe ravine]

silver linings, i'm very excited to see the work they do on the Macharian Sector

[arctic talon]

how dare you insult the Tech priest he's still got natural flesh

[crisp heath]

He needs more metal to appeal to me

[gaunt sable]

Andromeda splurges on what amounts to softcore porn where they painstakingly craft some chicks ass.
But then gay guys get like....Suuuuuuper stilted and awkward kissing that's censored and fade to black.

[crisp heath]

If you're going to be a post-human mechanical ascendant, there better not be any visible flesh on you

[arctic talon]

also ngl the space wolf is prolly gona be a late game companion

[gaunt sable]

If the Interrogator isn't romanceable for gay characters I will fucking FLIP
I SWEAR TO GOD EMPRAH.

[arctic talon]

Since the SoB starts off with carapace armor

[crisp heath]

I will body shame any tech priest that has a recognizable body

[arctic talon]

And I'm assuming power armor is uh