40k-lore-chat

[floral siren]

The Ordo Sepulturum was formed in the aftermath of the 13th Black Crusade specifically to deal with Nurgle Plague infestations

[celest dome]

Basically Hereticus is the one that deal with the most uprising, while Malleus hunt arch heretics and Xenos sturdy Xenos to kill more of them and prevent the spread of Genestealer

[floral siren]

Xenos also are the most police like, as they regularly have to deal with trading houses around the Imperium who think a dash of Xenos tech here and there could give them an edge over other houses

The Inquisition is also noted for not being strict or standardized in how it operates at all, lots of variation over time

lots of inner corruption rooted out with in fighting as well

[celest dome]

Each cabal work with their own method and relations

[floral siren]

yup

I've never heard of an Inquisitor operating the way Grendyl does

Why the servitor facsimile introduction?

I feel like most Inquisitors would either not hesitate to put the fear of Him-on-high-Terra into you themselves or not even be bothered to interact at all with the Rejects

that's what Rannick and Zola are there for

[unique berry]

As the situation is right now we just do strikes to break the command structure and do some others stuff wouldnt that mean its just phase 1 I mean as rejects they can just throw us at them until we did it maybe at a certain point Phase 2 will start and another inquisition Ship with more elite units will arrive to "really" start if theres anything below the city they want or need to protect sounds like it would make sense for the Inquisition

[floral siren]

So, anyone know where the Moebian Domain actually is?

[lilac wave]

It's at least on the same side of the rift as Terra.

Oops wrong reply

[floral siren]

no worries I got ya

I'm thinking it may be far from the active fronts for the Indomitus Crusade

so all that could be spared was the Mourningstar, a single frigate class ship with an Inquisitor and their warband

The Indomitus Crusade is indomitable, they will eventually be able to swing into the Atoma system, but that may be far off, so Phase 1 like @unique berry said is likely gonna be a long term phase

if nothing else, keep the Admonition Cult from taking over completely

the Indomitus Crusade is multiple steam roller fleets meant to quickly wipe out Chaos and move on to the next most pressing theatre, seeding ground forces and stabilizing the Astartes chapters as they go, but that's alot of ground to cover. So Grendyl's initial warband, supplemented by the Rejects, and other Moebian Guard regiments that have stayed loyal are all the forces available it seems. Presumably large sections of the Hive are still untouched by the filth

[mystic geyser]

@floral siren
This youtuber has access to the history of the sector (which is otherwise unpublished afaik)

https://youtu.be/VwLoEhgcyzc

[floral siren]

ugh, why can't it be on a wiki, lol

https://tenor.com/view/pretty-inefficient-coach-galen-counter-logic-gaming-lacking-lacklustre-gif-19740215

thanks though, I'll listen through it

[lilac wave]

Lots of interesting observations we could make about the situation.

Like, clearly Grendel thinks Tertium is salvageable. Still, if you're an inquisitor and you have a warship you can bet it has exterminatus grade weaponry.

They're also not sending anything they'd mind losing onto the surface. Could be the first plan was glassing that bitch, but they've decided to hold off and throw a few thousand convicts at the problem to see if that helps.

[floral siren]

They have been sending in the usual storm troopers also iirc

We're definitely the fodder though

[lilac wave]

I think the guys we see on the ground are guard or pdf, and like...I dunno about the "elite " looking operatives we see. They could be convicts too. They look just like us.

[unique berry]

I think the Guard we encounter in the Hive is more like the PDF that still remains

[floral siren]

more like, we are them

[celest dome]

Doing an Exterminatus isn't risk free for the Inquisitor, as other Inquisitor will come an investigate if it was a good idea or not

[floral siren]

the Guard we see on missions is Moebian Guard Regiments that stayed loyal, only the Moebian 6th turned

[unique berry]

Which is the most elite 🙃

[floral siren]

double edged sword, had the most experience from combat, but the stressors of that combat led to them turning

[lilac wave]

They still die like chumps!

[floral siren]

they fucking practised their bayonet drills though

[unique berry]

Plus they got the full equipment of the Regiment and formations etc which is ouch

[lilac wave]

Wonder if that net gun is standard issue.

[floral siren]

honestly I could see it

Arbites would benefit from it, as would Inquisitors capturing subjects for interrogation and autopsy

[lilac wave]

Or if we'll ever see squads of guard Axe Bastards on the tabletop.

[floral siren]

Maulers?

[lilac wave]

Maulers or ragers I guess.

[unique berry]

I mean they had a Captain and we know how that went

[lunar lake]

Yo does anyone know what the healing skull dudes are, and why they’re so damn sad all the time

[floral siren]

Servitors

[fallen marsh]

There even is special Ordo that investigates Exterminatus orders.

[floral siren]

Servitors are usually prisoners who have been forcefully augmented and parially lobotomized to serve a purpose that requires some complexity

[lunar lake]

Ah

[floral siren]

some of the Medicae servitors appear to have retained enough emotional processing to suffer in their existence

[lunar lake]

Makes me feel, slightly better

[unique berry]

https://youtu.be/toPisCauEho

[floral siren]

just imagine they're all serial rapists

don't give thought to the brutal overarching judicial system

[lunar lake]

Yea

[floral siren]

or how we ourselves were possibly on our way to be made into Servitors before the mutual rescue with Zola

[lilac wave]

Well don't feel too much better. The imperium runs on servitors and is more than happy to make up crimes. Like, half the rejects were convicted for complaining about the quality of rations

[lunar lake]

💀

[lilac wave]

Or making eye contact with an abbot.

[floral siren]

Guilliman's reforms can't come fast enough

[lilac wave]

He's a good boy, but he's trying to dig out a mountain of shit with an ice-cream scoop.

[earnest snow]

Chaos really did turn the Moebian 6th into mob enemies frfr

[unique berry]

If the food is good enough for workers its good enough for the Guard!

[floral siren]

he's also well aware that if he's too aggressive the other authorities would rebel against him to defend their status quo

[rose gyro]

Moebian 6th, the best units in the sector

[lilac wave]

Joining chaos turns you into a mook.

[earnest snow]

The 6th decided to fall to stinky instead of confusion, rage, or excess. Interesting

[rose gyro]

more likely a gang of zombies after Nurgle

[earnest snow]

Ngl I hoped to see some sons of sek or blood pact in the moebian 6th. Maybe we will see it in later updates

Like being an organized force of chaos

They maybe I've just haven't really seen it

[unique berry]

I mean the intro showed they are

[lilac wave]

The virgin heretic guard veteran vs the chad Bastion 220 Combat Stance

[earnest snow]

It's been a while since I watched the intro

[floral siren]

I would like to see a hardened version of the Scab Shooters become a more prominent renamed warband like Sons of Sek for sure, but wouldn't make sense for another warband to arrive like that

[earnest snow]

Nah I want the moebian 6th to be like that. It gives more people access to how variant chaos can be with its organization and its not all just "rage! Rage! Rage!" That some of the groaners shout when chasing you

Or whoever does in game lmao

[floral siren]

Yea that's what I'm saying kinda, add another variant enemy

[earnest snow]

Ah I see

Rip my brain

[floral siren]

but it makes sense that over time the Moebian 6th veteran cultists would rename their warband in some way

[rose gyro]

Scab

[earnest snow]

The stinky dozen

Perfect name

[rose gyro]

A pile of shxt

[rose gyro]

even better

[floral siren]

scab is what we call them, they wouldn't call themselves that

[rose gyro]

I can only hope we would get the same weapons that the Scabs are using

hellgun, sniper rifle

[floral siren]

weapon mods please

[rose gyro]

they are using better arms than we do

when we have to pay for our own weapons

[lilac wave]

The scabs don't seem that into nurgle to me honestly. Like, they're helping out but...

[floral siren]

we're in an inquisition warband, where's the Sun Guns, Hell Guns, Meltas....

[lilac wave]

You think they'd go for some like The Pus Hounds?

[rose gyro]

I got a good name for this warband: "Emperor's Children"

[delicate temple]

I think the hellgun will get tied to a veteran stormtrooper subclass, sharpshooter should get longlas though

[lilac wave]

Also give me a man personal las cannon.

[rose gyro]

and Gatling

[floral siren]

They're more focused on learning "the Dark Truth of the Imperium" and spreading that truth

they're seditionists siding with cultists

but that's how the corruption begins

[rose gyro]

they looked corrupted enough

[lilac wave]

Do they?

[rose gyro]

their faces are rotten

[floral siren]

when you're more focused on the fact that your strict regimented life was hiding much of the truth of your world from you, you care less about the rotting faces

Not to mention if you bring it up to your new allies "My face has pustules on it" "Gifts of Nurgle, they'll make you stronger"

"Okey Dokey, artichokey"

[lilac wave]

They are pretty fucked up, but...I dunno if they're super diseased looking? Like a lot if the are just missing their lips and noses. Also it seems like where they have chaos iconography it's more chaos undivided than nurgle.

[delicate temple]

I noticed my blood is now feces is that ok?

[lilac wave]

Which is interesting.

[rose gyro]

those rot and corruption didn't really hurt them, instead making them stronger

[floral siren]

^this

Nurgle's gifts make you diseased but stronger

[delicate temple]

And stinky

[floral siren]

So, I think we're gonna fight a Great Unclean One in Throneside in the future

[delicate temple]

Not wanting the stank would be my main defense against nurgles corruption

[rose gyro]

we won't survive that

[floral siren]

in lore, absolutely

[rose gyro]

fighting a Plague Marine would be our best

[floral siren]

in a game though...

like, we shouldn't be beating a fucking daemonhost

[rose gyro]

not even space marines can win the fight

[delicate temple]

We're currently inquisitorial acolytes, our characters are on their way to being in the status of a named 40k character in unlikely strength

[rose gyro]

it's our faith with the Emperor which won the fight!

[delicate temple]

The goal could just to be disabling it and running away

[floral siren]

Daemonhosts only faintly care about that

[rose gyro]

and they should be super rare...

not something you should fight 4 times when the power went down

[floral siren]

Daemonhosts are only rare as the means of binding them is not widely known

but if you know the means....

[weary delta]

Scabs just reincarnation of blood pact pretty much. Or shit pact cause its nurgle and so on

[floral siren]

Mucus Pact

[delicate temple]

Or using a bomb or something, the goal could just be distraction until the actual tool to kill it could do its job

[floral siren]

but between the Beast of Nurgle and Daemon Hosts, a Great Unclean one as an end mission boss seems plausible

[rose gyro]

a Great Unclean One would be the entire MAP

[weary delta]

Something like that as a their khorne version they are primarily humans with minor mutations aka rotten faces and additional eye or other limb.

[mystic geyser]

Maybe like a captain halfway turning into a daemon Prince

[rose gyro]

not just a boss

and we haven't see Nurglings yet

if we do, better call Gay Knights

oh, sorry, Gray Knights

[floral siren]

If I was designing the game

[earnest snow]

I'm just gonna call in another chaos God aligned daemon. It should go well on tertium :3

[weary delta]

So far we saw possesed enemies at max and some hints to plaguebearers

I doubt it's going to be something more than that

[rose gyro]

we don't even see any Nurgle Witch yet

[delicate temple]

To be honest, the "power level" of stuff in 40k means fuck nothing in enough content already for the approach to not surprise me here

[earnest snow]

I want more nurgle slime to infinitely slide on

[lilac wave]

The beasts of nurgle are straight up daemons, unless something has been clarified about them.

[floral siren]

I'd make a mission chain that has to be done with 2 separate fire teams running through three missions.
Mission 1: Thwart his plot (Strike Mission)
Mission 2: uncover his location (Espionage mission)
Mission 3: Fight to his lair and take him out in an 8v1 fight (Assassination)

[delicate temple]

Use the bulwark shield like a 4-man sled

[earnest snow]

Yes

[rose gyro]

yeah, I wanna see a team of eight simpletons can do

[earnest snow]

If we are fighting on a beast of nurgle I want the game to be like a laggy and low fps mmo with 32 people of each class taking part. This won't back fire trust me

[floral siren]

8 Heavy Stubber wielding Ogryns ripping into hordes

[earnest snow]

I meant great unclean one but whatever

I was thinking about the nurgle slime

[weary delta]

I want less people and more operative work

[floral siren]

Just calling for another fireteam to be part of it would make it more impactful, as it baselines the experience as "This is gonna be twice as hard as anything else you've done"

[earnest snow]

how bad can tertium get before the nova cannon is called in

[weary delta]

Considering 4 man kill team powerful enough to annihilate up to 2000-3000 cultists in 15mins

[floral siren]

Make them all Maulers and Shotgunners

[earnest snow]

A named 4 man kill team so they have the power of the narrative on their side. And training. And faith. And slabs of meat. And magic. Apparently.

[weary delta]

Flamethrower go swoshh

[lilac wave]

Yeah, I guess I'd compare our team to Gaunts Ghosts or like...four sly marbos or something.

[earnest snow]

Same thing on how vermintide is. 5 named characters with the power to thwart hordes of skaven so I'm not really bothered by it in darktide

Except it's 4 per mission

[floral siren]

interesting idea

Inquisitor vs Inquisitor

what happens if another Inquisitor shows up with a 2nd ship, sees the level of corruption, and declares it exterminatus

sent to board the other ship to stop the launching of cyclonic torpedoes, fighting naval marines and ratings

[celest dome]

Daemonhost and Beast of Nurgle both much weaker than Greater Daemon

[floral siren]

if a Phoneix Lord can solo a Greater Daemon, I think 8 named character humans can beat one

[lilac wave]

I dunno man, phoenix lords are like eldar primarchs.

[celest dome]

Where do we have 8 named characters ?

Like we are the nameless mook that the Inquisition send in droves

[floral siren]

that's how I'd set it up as a mission, I mentioned above

nah, we named

[celest dome]

Yes, but we aren't named

[floral siren]

My Psyker is named Dorfan

name

[celest dome]

We naming our character is the same way books will name Guardsman N°1 and N°2, we aren't protected by being real named characters

[surreal apex]

Didn't he latest vox transmission all but confirm that we'll be facing genestealers, what with the "they were never human" line

[lilac wave]

We have names! We were mooks when they got us, but then we just kept coming back alive. Like 50 times. Then they gave me a rosette and a thunder hammer.

[celest dome]

Like could we face a real GUO or another Greater Daemon, no, could we fight against the shadow of one, in theory yes, they can be as weak or as strong

as needed

[celest dome]

No it doesn't outright point toward the GSC, there are a few possible choices but it's most likely gonna be Plaguebearer

[celest dome]

The U5 aren't considered to be Named Hero, currently at an Unnamed Hero level of feats

They will most likely die without stopping the ET and stuff

[surreal apex]

Everyone dies in the end times

That's why it's called the end times

They still thwarted the skittergate and everything else they did against overwhelming odds

[lilac wave]

Still, I think the power level of our characters is like, as high as any heroic baseline human in the setting.

[floral siren]

except the Psyker's weak ass powers

[celest dome]

Yes, but as I said, we don't have any plot armour, us defeating a real Greater Daemon is not likely, defeating an encroaching, when it's still unstable that could work

Also Gameplay >< Lore

[floral siren]

=/= you mean

[celest dome]

< mean different too

Or in opposition sometime

[lilac wave]

I mean, you're right. Greater daemon is a reach. Maybe with the right circumstances. Like, we might not have to kill it so much as hold it off or distract it. Or finish it off once it's been weakened.

[surreal apex]

I'd rather see a cultist psyker as a boss. Not a demon host, but an actual sanctioned psyker of the moebian regiment, turned traitor and wielding the rotten powers of the warp

[lilac wave]

I doubt the engine will support 8 players.

[celest dome]

Also GD don't bring that much, we might see one as a back ground where we have to defeat a Psyker/Sorcerer as it's trying to call up on thel

[lilac wave]

An unbound, possessed psyker could also be horrifying.

[celest dome]

I think they are gonna keep to the Lesser Daemon
Plaguebearer
Bilepiper
Plague Toad
Nurgling
Plague Drone and Rot Flies I think they aren't likely (Flying stuff and all that)
maybe Vile Savant if they want to go with older stuff

[surreal apex]

I actually think plague flies could be a thing. Like, a mission where we gotta smash their hives and eradicate them so that they stop clogging the skies

They'd be a pretty whacky extra enemy type, maybe like beast men in vt2

[celest dome]

Sure, but we wouldn't be fighting one outright

And also it would mean that if they introduce other Chaos Cults it would be possible to have other Lesser Daemons

[lilac wave]

I think the rule of cool trumps all. There's plenty of lore bending that happens in game. Like...where does anyone get a sack of 30 thunder hammers.

[celest dome]

Thunder hammer are produced

I think even one of the Necromunda Gang can get them

[floral siren]

Then why is Great Unclean One written on the walls everywhere just like Beast of Nurgle is

[celest dome]

Because they are Daemon of Nurgle and people pray to them

Like there are plenty of Nurglite marks

Like pretty much all of them are there

[lilac wave]

They ain't cheap though. Most astartes chapters don't have an armory 1/10th as stacked aa Grendel's.

[celest dome]

1: Gameplay
2: Bad/Worse quality stuff
3: TT balance
4: GSC have Power pick as a weapon, meaning that Civis use them at work in the mines

[floral siren]

power weapons can be manufactured

Inquisitors make a point to secure a wide variety of weaponry

Space Marines tend to be pretty pragmatic

also favoring Chapter Relic weapons

If a chapter decided they wanted to secure a thousand Thunder Hammers for every single member, they would probably secure that

but they'd be new, and lacking that history

Chadstartes don't use Virgin weapons if they can avoid it

Daemonhammers however, are rare as shit

so rare you're not gonna find anyone but honored Inquisitors or the Grey Knights using them

[celest dome]

Aren't Daemonhammer force weapon?

[floral siren]

Nope, Thunder Hammers with unique metals and hexagrammic sigils

[rose gyro]

I got two extra bots along with my team of four in a game

[floral siren]

the Grey Knight's version, Nemeses Daemon Hammers, have a psionic field too though

[floral siren]

The Engine supports a whole social lobby of many players, I think it can do it

[lilac wave]

Just because they can be produced doesn't mean they are, or can be mass produced.

Like, even bolt guns are given tremendous reverence and care by everyone who uses them. The bolts themselves are carefully made and anointed. Power weapons of any kind are are even more rare, even more significant and treasured.

If there's some example in the lore of power weapons being treated as anything but near legendary heirlooms, I haven't seen it.

[floral siren]

I bash heretics to death with my Bolt Gun

[lilac wave]

Well they're made for that, just worship it and give it some sacred machine oil and it'll be fine.

[floral siren]

Guard units don't treat their weapons with much reverence

[lilac wave]

If they don't the tech priests will skin them alive.

[floral siren]

Most of the weapon revering is the being warrior nuns, the Astartes being warrior monks, or the Mechanicus who see maintenance and construction as divine.

There are Tech Priests within the supply chain for the Militarum and they do the holy shit

but the Guard units just do basic maintenance mostly

they know the "rituals" to fix issues in the field

[delicate temple]

I'd say they respect their guns though

Guardsmen, I mean

[floral siren]

respect sure, not revere

[lilac wave]

Well, a lasgun might not be due the same reverence as a holy bolter.

[delicate temple]

Can a lasgun "jam" in any way?

[floral siren]

dirty contacts on the power cell

cracked lenses

Guard still uses lots of autoguns too

the main reason power swords aren't as common is just because they require some metamaterial, but a claw sword or chain sword requires none

[lilac wave]

Presumably the techniques and stcs required to make them are intensive and well guarded. Probably the sort of thing you can only get from a forge world.

[celest dome]

Claw Sword ?

[floral siren]

likely that's a factor too

[lilac wave]

And forge worlds don't share their secrets.

[floral siren]

@celest dome Catachan Claw Sword

do you play the game this discord is for? lol

[lilac wave]

Supposed to be made from the actual claw of some catachan monster. I think what we get are catachinese knock offs.

[celest dome]

They are just normal Mono molecular edge

[barren tapir]

It is not a sword, it is a knife, do you know the lore for the game this server is? lol

[celest dome]

Actually there are both knife and swords

3 swords and 1 knife iirc

[barren tapir]

Yeah, bot lorewise they are part of catachan knifes

They are not swords

[floral siren]

they're short swords

I don't care what the Catachan's call it

[barren tapir]

Although power sword for catachan officers take on the same look

[celest dome]

Devil's Claw - Named after the fearsome predator known as the Catachan Devil of the fearsome Catachan jungles, this is the largest type of the traditional knives of Catachan. Anywhere between three and four feet long, the Devil's Claw is closer to a short sword than a knife. It is used mainly on the battlefield in close quarters and it has even achieved a fearsome reputation amongst the Orks, who call it "Da Cutta." The blade itself is hollow and half-filled with mercury to give it greater swinging power. Power Swords wielded by senior members of the Catachan regiments are often identical in design to the Devil's Claw.

[floral siren]

and that's my point, power swords usually are made of adamantium or other special metals

[barren tapir]

Still considered a knife, not a sword

[floral siren]

Boy do I not give a fuck

[celest dome]

Sure, but there isn't a Claw type of weapon

[barren tapir]

Fair, it is ok to remain wrong

[floral siren]

it's between 3 and 4 feet long, it's a damn short sword

[barren tapir]

It is a knife deal with it

[floral siren]

at least you're okay with being wrong

[lilac wave]

Huh...I swear I remember some lore about a Catachan rightvof passage that involved getting a gnarly monster claw to make your special knife out of. Did I dream it?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[floral siren]

that's a Dune thing

the Crysknife

[lilac wave]

Literally everything in 40k is a dune thing.

[floral siren]

true

[floral siren]

it's a type of weapon in the sense that a sabre or zweihander is a type of weapon

[lilac wave]

I'm surprised the emperor didn't turn out to be a worm.

[unique berry]

Heretic

[celest dome]

All of them are still part of normal weapon, unlike the other stuff, like the category are Chain, Power, Force, Shock, Sonic/Vibration, Monomolecular...

Like any normal weapon can be declined into any of the different category (With exception)

[barren tapir]

Said the warsmith 😆

[celest dome]

Like Sabre can exist in Normal, Mono, Chain, Power, Force, Sonic, and in theory Shock

[unique berry]

👀

[simple sparrow]

Wow the swords are filled with mercury, I hope they are aware of the dangers of mercury toxicity

[unique berry]

I dont think that is really a problem in the 41st could be wrong tho

[celest dome]

It's 40k, you'd be dead before you have problem with mercury

And it's enclosed in the blade

So you wouldn't touch it normally

[barren tapir]

As long you don't break the knife it is all fine... And the ctatachan ore is noted to be pretty hard

[simple sparrow]

That’s true 😂

[mystic geyser]

Fun bit from an inquisitor expansion about Arbites

[unique berry]

Arbites are badass

[storm jungle]

Beating up homeless people is very badass i agree

[unique berry]

They can kill Inquisitors and get away

[storm jungle]

also lmao no

[unique berry]

No i wanst finished writing

[storm jungle]

too late

you are banned

[unique berry]

🫡

[celest dome]

What were you supposed to write after ?

[short steeple]

What about in Warhammer?

[storm jungle]

[unique berry]

And explanation in which situation they can kill inquisitors

But im at work it makes it a bit hard lol

[earnest snow]

Literally what we do in Darktide

[simple sparrow]

Are all of these punishable by death

[mystic geyser]

Most likely

[versed ledge]

Yeesh no wonder people turn to Chaos

[unique berry]

Or start a revolt

[fallen marsh]

Nah. In Book of Judgement for DH 1.0 there was similar list with punishments.

And few of those crimes here stopped being in jurisdiction of Arbites. They dont care how you work or dress.

They are federal police. If no Imperial law was broken they dont bother.

Lex Imperialis doesn't care about such things.

[celest dome]

The Arbites and the Enforcer were separated because its more sensible

[barren tapir]

One of the crimes in DT is not moving fast enough out of the path of a magistrate iirc

Which depending on the type of magistrate could have been a breaking of imperial law, by interrupting or slowing an imperial service

[unique berry]

The Book of Judgement is so stupidly big that laws conflict with each other thats why Arbites got smaller compact versions and higher ranking Arbites often work with they own interpretation of thise laws

[unique berry]

Wait thats legit a reason in DT? Funny one

[barren tapir]

IIRC, now, i don't remember if it was a magistrate, a priest or some other guy, but the reason was indeed that you didn't moved out fast enough

[unique berry]

Gotta love the Imperium

[mystic geyser]

You Have Got To Love The Imperium.

[unique berry]

Or else

[glass bridge]

don't know if im in the right chat for this butt. im getting into 40k with building a space wolf army. just wanted to understand something. do they have chaplains ? like my understanding is that the rune priest is the same as a librarian. so do space wolves get an equivalent to chaplains. ? 🐺

[north lotus]

It’s understandable in some cases.

[glass bridge]

seems with some units i have to kitbash to make them too.

[shadow plover]

they do have chaplains yes

[glass bridge]

oh they do? because in my codex i only found priest and wolf priest

[north lotus]

Granted the problem is abuse

[shadow plover]

oh right forgot about priests, I just checked their units and saw chaplain in there

I think they still can field normal librarians and chaplains?

[glass bridge]

maybe my book is outdated ? because i can't find chaplains lol

[glass bridge]

oh oki

[shadow plover]

which book do you have

the codex supplement?

[north lotus]

If you are in the way of ambulance with a critical condition patient with protesting, I can understand charging the protesters

[topaz warren]

To an extent.

You should probably tell them, “Hey, we have a critical patient in here you need to move so they won’t die.”

[north lotus]

The lights imply that

[topaz warren]

In the US it takes more than that.

[north lotus]

Granted this happened with the UK.

[topaz warren]

There’s a reason the US and Canada are the only two countries to have the word “Stop” in a stop sign.

[north lotus]

Because they are post automobile societies, I’m guessing

And the others don’t speak English

[topaz warren]

No.

I don’t actually know the reason, it’s just funny to make fun of the US.

[shadow plover]

they're not though?

[north lotus]

I prefer Canada. I shall quote from the Late great genie “norm Macdonald” “I’m going to Canada, they’ve had it too good for too long”

Especially considering the whole suicide is now medical advice thing Canada is trying

[topaz warren]

I’d rather go back to Alaska.

At least then I get to have “rights”.

[north lotus]

It’s a bold strategy cotton, let’s see how this plays out.

Canada is a horrible place, why do you think they have a leaf on their flag?

A FUCKING LEAF

[glass bridge]

codex adeptus astartes

[glass bridge]

true

[topaz warren]

I live in a state where it’s illegal to mispronounce the name of it.

Unironically illegal too.

[shadow plover]

this one?

[north lotus]

You are aware it’s illegal to name pigs certain things in certain places.

[barren tapir]

Space wolves cannot field normal chaplains nor librarians

[north lotus]

Want to guess the name not allowed?

[shadow plover]

yeah that's the old one

[north lotus]

Here’s a hint, it starts with a capital N

[barren tapir]

Space wolves have chaplain and librarian roles mixedmin a single one, rune priest

[north lotus]

It’s not a slur

[barren tapir]

Ah, wait, no

[shadow plover]

you need the one I posted and this one

[barren tapir]

Rune priest is just librarian

[glass bridge]

oh oki. yeah see i started in lockdown in 2019. but we came out of lockdown and i had a job again aha so i just didn't have the time to finish my starter box or even understand the codex books

[barren tapir]

Wolf priest are the chaplains

And they are a mix of two roles, apothecaries and chaplains... Damn, why they have to be this weird?

[north lotus]

NAPOLEON.

[glass bridge]

i have no idea. but dogs 🐺

[arctic talon]

Bcs space wolves

They’re more of a chaplain that can be an apothecary on the tabletop

[dusk patrol]

Shut up it’s awesome

Look at this guy. He’ll kick your ass, and then give you counseling for the trauma after while he heals up your wounds.

[topaz warren]

Okay, but hear me out.

Death Guard.

[dusk patrol]

No

[topaz warren]

Yes.

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/kuiil-have-spoken-mandalorian-star-wars-gif-15566834

[topaz warren]

Slow wall of death and disease that will not stop because the guy they just killed is getting up to stab you.

While you’re laying on the ground blasting out of both ends and unable to fight back.

[north lotus]

Shonen therapists

[dusk patrol]

But in seriousness they are pretty cool characters

They have a pretty calm and reasonable temperament to contrast with the more typical demeanor of Space Wolves

[unique berry]

If u want to learn more about the Space Wolves Baldemort did the best vid about them https://youtu.be/p9gicUOSOh4

[glass bridge]

oh nice. ty ^^

[north lotus]

Hey, it’s the NCO rank thing

[dusk patrol]

And how they select aspirants is pretty cool too

They just wait in the distance on battlefields between tribes and what not on Fenris until it’s over and the warrior or warriors they chose can choose to come to them and begin the journey to the Fang

And then they observe them the whole way

Sometimes collecting them or healing them from wounds if they’ve proved themselves

I think it also depends on where they were at on Fenris

Since not all of them can really reliably even journey to the Fang

[echo vault]

Nurgle aligned space wolves

[topaz warren]

Nurgle furries. I don’t want to think about the DG like that.

[north lotus]

Well, too late

[errant yacht]

Are there any examples (Imperial or otherwise) of something that can be best described as a "force gun"? Like, a force weapon that takes on the familiar form of a firearm but uses a Psyker's energy as ammo

[north lotus]

Force staffs?

Granted that’s different

[mystic geyser]

Uh. The Incinerator maybe. Daemon guns all technically are this as they aren't real.

[north lotus]

Daemon engines as well

[mystic geyser]

Kinda the inervse but the animus speculum

[north lotus]

Ork weapons are technically this.

[dusk patrol]

Psycannons

It fires bolt rounds still normally

But they can be basically charged by a psykers power

And they pierce all sorts of armor, force fields, kineshields and wards

It’s what the Grey Knights use

[celest dome]

Not really, but there are gun that use Force infused bullets

[north lotus]

Granted this is more believing it works

[dusk patrol]

They don’t work like that

[celest dome]

Ork weapon still shoot bullets

[dusk patrol]

Ork tech works just fine on its own

[celest dome]

Ork belief power is more like a mechanical lube

[dusk patrol]

The gestalt field just makes them more effective

Less likely to jam, more likely to hit

Rockets won’t misfire as much, and so on

[celest dome]

Letting you go with worse tolerances but still work

[north lotus]

And quality cont-BAHAHAHAHAHA

[dusk patrol]

But they won’t like actually fire off a round which doesn’t exist

[north lotus]

I don’t mean like that I mean more so getting high on their own supply enough

[dusk patrol]

Not sure I follow

[north lotus]

See also the old ork joke of guardsmen yelling “BANG” and it killing the ork

thought that’s more belief

[arctic talon]

That’s a meme

[north lotus]

Yeah, fair

[arctic talon]

I’m assuming they wanted a serious answer

[north lotus]

Part of the issue with psyker stuff is the ancient problems with magic

[celest dome]

What ancient problem ?

[north lotus]

Psyker stuff on a minor fuckup means you now have at the good end you fucking yourself up. Major is BAAAAAD shit

Look at dark heresy’s “perils of the warp” charts

[arctic talon]

Minor fuck ups don’t always kill a psyker tbf

I mean they can

But not always

Sometimes they just make the walls start bleeding

[north lotus]

I’m saying like mutations.

[celest dome]

Did 40k have multiple charts ?

[arctic talon]

And paintings cry blood

[arctic talon]

It used to

[north lotus]

Minor and major perils of the warp in dark heresy

[arctic talon]

But there were some ways you could abuse it

[celest dome]

So like in fantasy

[arctic talon]

Very easily

[celest dome]

nice

[arctic talon]

Nowadays it’s just

You explode for x ammount of damage

Based on what the reason was

And if you fuck up hard enough you’ll kill your friends

[celest dome]

Magic not having any downside is the worst

I hate when stories do that

[arctic talon]

My favorite perils of the warp with the new rules

[north lotus]

I go with the idea of “making a high rifle with low quality materials and tooling” as a comparison. Magic not exploding is a success

[arctic talon]

Was it triggering a tank to explode

Which blew up another vehicle

That also blew up

[crisp heath]

Honestly GRRM does grimdark magic the best, between his vampire book and Euron Greyjoys ritual

[arctic talon]

On the tabletop you perils whenever you get snake eyes or 2 6’s

[celest dome]

GRRM didn't really make anything new

[arctic talon]

Which doesn’t sound that common

But happens more then you think

[north lotus]

https://extraheresy.fandom.com/wiki/Perils_of_the_Warp

[north lotus]

Warp Feast: A rift in reality is torn open and the Psyker is sucked into the warp with a little burping noise. He is no more

For a 100

Here’s for a 1-5

The Gibbering: The Psyker screams in pain as uncontrolled warp energies surge through his unprotected mind. He must make a Willpower Test or gain 1d5 Insanity Points.

[crisp heath]

Then Euron lifted a great horn to his lips and blew, and dragons and krakens and sphinxes came at his command and bowed before him.
“Kneel, brother,” the Crow’s Eye commanded. “I am your king, I am your god. Worship me, and I will raise you up to be my priest.”
“Never. No godless man may sit the Seastone Chair!”
“Why would I want that hard black rock? Brother, look again and see where I am seated.”
Aeron Damphair looked. The mound of skulls was gone. Now it was metal underneath the Crow’s Eye: a great, tall, twisted seat of razor sharp iron, barbs and blades and broken swords, all dripping blood.
Impaled upon the longer spikes were the bodies of the gods. The Maiden was there and the Father and the Mother, the Warrior and Crone and Smith…even the Stranger. They hung side by side with all manner of queer foreign gods: the Great Shepherd and the Black Goat, three-headed Trios and the Pale Child Bakkalon, the Lord of Light and the butterfly god of Naath.```

Oof I didn't expect that to be quite that long of a wall

But still, 10/10 grimdark magic

[north lotus]

Block o text

[dusk patrol]

It’s worth noting too that the perils rules aren’t super indicative of how they work in universe

Either in the RPG or tabletop

Not that the events can’t happen as shown in the rules but when it happens and how it happens is generally less random

[north lotus]

It’s more a “temperature reading” kinda thing I’m trying to say. I mean crazy things happen when rubber touches road.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I agreed with that I was just more saying that like, it’s not as high a chance as it’s depicted on the tabletop

[north lotus]

What I’m trying to say is warp magic isn’t something you bring out at the fight at the wafflehousitorium

[north lotus]

Or your local restaurant equivalent

[celest dome]

Not a bad thing

[north lotus]

Don’t use it Willy nilly

It’s a escalation

When the schizo starts doing pained laughing and having lightning come out of their eyes you start running

Running for the cover.

And the nearest heavy Weapon position

[topaz warren]

The same schizo that can feel you in the warp, making cover impossible unless you’re a blank?

[north lotus]

I’m saying because someone’s calling it in

The most deadly weapon in a military is this https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/7/7b/Clarion_Vox_Array.png/revision/latest?cb=20160828231708

Because you can be a psyker all you want, I HAVE YOUR GRID COORDINATES

[topaz warren]

You leave me an my Nurgling alone. His name is Terry and he likes corpse starch.

[north lotus]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/26/Earthshaker00.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20120220215420

[topaz warren]

Good job hitting me, I guess?

[north lotus]

I GOT A C IN MATH DAMN IT

[topaz warren]

I’ll just catch the round.

No one hurts Terry.

[plush mason]

i mean. you do if you wana win

waffle house is the PUBG of America

[north lotus]

It’s more akin to the taverns of fantasy stories

[celest dome]

What are waffle houses ?

Do they have different kind of waffle?

[north lotus]

They are a American diner chain which is always open, to the extent the federal emergency management administration has a chart to show which ones are down or on the limited list

If a wafflehouse is “down” shit is fucked

[plush mason]

and that is due to them being listed as a place to stop to seek emergency aid if needed

[barren tapir]

Wrong, you start aiming for their head and push the trigger as soon they are on in the ironsights

[celest dome]

Telekine Dome go brrrrr

[barren tapir]

Or you throw the friendly blank at them

[odd palm]

A rare find

[barren tapir]

Still bummed that we didn't got anything new about blanks from the old regimental standard issue "fill in the blanks"

[dusk patrol]

Well that’s because they filled them all in

[barren tapir]

Hinted to becoming way less rare... The psychich awakening wasn't only affecting psykers

[dusk patrol]

With lead

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/crying-emoji-dies-gif-21956120

[celest dome]

The both of us talking about Blank, dangerous business

[celest dome]

Wait did the Psychic Awakening make more blank or reveal more Blanks ?

[odd palm]

[dusk patrol]

made more

[celest dome]

So Blank are natural ? And are due to the warp influence

[odd palm]

The sisters will find it easier to recruit then and the black ships can be better garrisoned

Yeah blanks are natural, but comparatively rare to psykers and those not warped gifted

[celest dome]

How do we stand about the difference of "Blankness" of the Blank as of now ?

[signal bramble]

The emperor’s legion books which takes place post rift does say the sisters of silence are having a resurgence.

They’re regrouping and reorganizing.

[odd palm]

It does help that they have the backing of Guilliman

[signal bramble]

The books also feature valerian and Aleeya. A custodian guard and a sister of silence who are total besties.

Their interactions are adorable.

[barren tapir]

Yesn't, kinda, maybe both

[barren tapir]

I know, the return of big G revitalized them, and once again they have protection from the upper ranks (which is big G), they are also making so that the old citadel on luna get full restored... But people are working in the dark against them...

[barren tapir]

Definitely

#40k-lore-chat message

[odd palm]

Could you explain what you mean mate?
Are you referring to the difference in natural and artificial?

[barren tapir]

In general the psychic awakening awakened latent things in many people... Some went the psyker path, others the inverse

[barren tapir]

That there is none, like i always stated...
Nah, just kidding...
It is super vague, and mostly depend on the author, some like to have degree of blankness, others just went with 0 or 1

[celest dome]

The Psyker Assignment has level for the Blanks

[barren tapir]

Old assignment

Old lore

[celest dome]

Old lore that make sense

[odd palm]

Ah.
As far as I'm aware it hasn't been superseded. Granted I haven't read through PA

[barren tapir]

Eh, not really... You cannot have varying degree of lacking connection, you either have it or don't... You can have degree of the power of such connection, not degrees of not connecting

[odd palm]

Has that been stated?

[celest dome]

It's less lacking connection and more rejecting connection

[barren tapir]

What? The fact that the soul is a connection to the warp?

[odd palm]

No, the 1 or 0 with no scale between

[celest dome]

And nothing say that Blank are soulless, they aren't gingers

[barren tapir]

This is definitely more reasonable, but still doesn't make sense them to put them on the same scale of psykers

[barren tapir]

Their description is so

Blanks are stated to have no reflection in the warp, on the contrary, they are like a black hole

[celest dome]

It make sense
Like it's conductivity, both conductive and isolator materials are on the same scale of conductivity

[crisp heath]

I mean it makes a lot of sense to put them on the same scale as pyskers if we assume the scale also goes into the negatives

[celest dome]

No presence in the warp =/= Soulless

[barren tapir]

The minds of most sentient beings have a connection to the Warp. This Warp signature is commonly called the soul. Psykers have especially strong connections to the Warp, and thus have very bright souls. On the other hand, blanks have no connection to the Warp whatsoever.

[celest dome]

That what the scale does, with regular human in the middle of the scale

[odd palm]

If we take the more recent BL for example not exactly consistent lorewise. I would say there is a significant degree in difference in "blankness" between say Aleeya and Krole

[celest dome]

Commonly, doesn't mean it's proven fact

[barren tapir]

If we use soul as term to indicate the connection to the warp then blanks, lacking such connection, are soulles

[dusk patrol]

There’s an in universe theory that blanks basically have some kind of really powerful anti soul, as opposed to just lacking a soul.

[crisp heath]

Ok but the most popular take currently among fans and writers is the one elaborated on in the Abnett's Inquisitor books, which is that blanks have souls, they just behave in an opposite manner to normal souls

[plush mason]

yeah and that perceived lack of a soul is what leads to blanks having an aura of dread and revulsion that can effect even normal humans iirc

[crisp heath]

If a normal soul is a flame, a blank's soul is water

[arctic talon]

I mean the funny pariah nexus works on them so

I’d say they have an equivalent to a soul

[barren tapir]

Wouldn't say it is the most popular, it is one of the many yeah, and one that i dislike very much... Abnett is a great writer, but do blanks dirty

[dusk patrol]

He brought blanks into this universe and he can take them out

[crisp heath]

Abnett writes blanks well in theory but not in practice. Like, he has good ideas for them, he just executes them poorly

[dusk patrol]

yea I know they predate him by a bit but he’s basically established most of their lore

[barren tapir]

It does? This is the first time hearing so, i know that necrons gather as many blanks they can, and doubt they do so because they are too affected by the nexus

[plush mason]

like. what effect does having one's "soul" severed have on people?

[arctic talon]

In the white dwarf issue a culuxes assassin doesn’t feel so great

[barren tapir]

Shit lore though

[dusk patrol]

It’s really painful and weird feeling

[barren tapir]

Latest one?

[dusk patrol]

It doesn’t necessarily kill you but it’s not a fun feeling

[arctic talon]

The one where the silent king blows up a planet iirc

It doesn’t seem to drain their soul like it does with normal people

But they don’t feel right

[barren tapir]

Wow, i should ask this next time i ask for a white dwarf issue...

[dusk patrol]

A lot happens

It goes into how the new Necron shit is being run

[barren tapir]

I call BS, they don't know how to handle them and they screw them over

[silver hawk]

Are all assassins of the assasinorum blanks?

[barren tapir]

No

Only culexus

[arctic talon]

Only 1 type

[crisp heath]

The reason I don't like "blanks are soulless" is because "the sentience without a soul" is actually a pretty important concept in some cases, and applies to AI and Necrons (and some interpretations of Tyranids) but blanks behave completely unlike either of those things

[silver hawk]

👍

[arctic talon]

Eh might have just been them being uncomfortable bcs of the mission environment

And not the nexus

It’s up to interpretation

[barren tapir]

That would be more reasonable

[arctic talon]

I’d say it’s prolly the mission bcs

Flayed ones

[barren tapir]

Since, you know, necrons don't have souls to use against them

[arctic talon]

Are you know

Disgusting

And yeah they’re out of their element

[plush mason]

the trailer for that pariah nexus animation they are making ended with a DKOK soldier just standing their twitching, wtf was happening there and what was it meant to imply?

[arctic talon]

By a lot

[arctic talon]

Mind shackle scarab imo

[odd palm]

^

[plush mason]

ah

[barren tapir]

IMO it is a radical effect of the stilling

[crisp heath]

Either the effects of the Nexus itself or a Mindshackle Scarab

[plush mason]

forgot those exist

[arctic talon]

That also could be a reason

[dusk patrol]

We’ll have to see but it could be a combo of both

[arctic talon]

All I know is that I’m putting money on the SoB dying or getting captured

[north lotus]

With blanks, you get a field of discomfort. Whether if that’s just a smell or if it’s just a feeling of vague irritation around them, it’s unknown

[arctic talon]

Bcs of the opening of the trailer

[barren tapir]

No reason to use scarab on normal humans imo

[arctic talon]

True

[barren tapir]

They are not really good target for such

Especially ones affected by the stilling

[odd palm]

Impossible, they have Big E on their side

[arctic talon]

[plush mason]

the stilling?

[crisp heath]

I saw some people thinking it's a Flayed One, but if it is he did a really good job tanning that hide lmao

[arctic talon]

What the funny nexus does

[barren tapir]

I'm putting bets on the female guard that tell her if it was worth to be an allucination

[barren tapir]

The effect of the nexus

[north lotus]

With jurgen it’s indistinct to tell, as he just smells bad and it’s ambiguous if that’s the actual blank status

[plush mason]

he still had his coat and helmet so i doubt it was a flayed one

[crisp heath]

I'd honestly hate if the Guardswoman turns out to be a traitor or a hallucination, it would be good to see a Guardsman able to speak their mind freely because the situation is so dire they don't fear being punished for it lol

[barren tapir]

It is hinted, or stated don't remember right now, that the smell is the blank aura at work, since he, like all valhallans take care of their hygiene very well

[plush mason]

they just take the skin not the kit afaik

[north lotus]

Except for jurgen. He just smells bad

[crisp heath]

No, that's more a of fan theory. As far as the text is concerned, he's just a blank and also very smelly

unrelated issues

[barren tapir]

What made me think it is an hallucination is that she lack a lasgun iirc

[arctic talon]

He smells bad after he bathed with soap

[dusk patrol]

I think he outright says it

[arctic talon]

There’s like

0 chance his smell isn’t from his blankness imo

[barren tapir]

Poor Jurgen, he only want to be left alone making tanna

[dusk patrol]

Maybe he didn’t wash behind the ears

[odd palm]

XD

[crisp heath]

I don't think he's even aware he's a blank though? It takes Amberley a while to figure it out and she only tells Cain AFAIK

[north lotus]

Some people just smell bad

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

He’s not aware he’s a blank but he’s fairly aware of how people feel about him

[barren tapir]

Maybe he is more smart than what he like to show

[barren tapir]

This sound better

[plush mason]

bad BO would be a natural way for the aura of repulsion to effect normal people imo. its already an aura of repulsion irl lol

[dusk patrol]

Amberly explains the blank thing to him but he doesn’t get it

But he is somewhat aware of how people treat him and stuff

[crisp heath]

Oh Jurgen is definitely perceptive, it's hinted a few times he doesn't actually buy Cain's schtick but still respects him for his actual accomplishments

[barren tapir]

He know he has something, don't know what, but can put together the dots to know to not attract too much attention

[crisp heath]

He's not dumb

[north lotus]

If you have a friend like jurgen, give him a hug…and some deodorant.

[dusk patrol]

Its more he just doesn’t care to know the big picture

He’s a simple guy

[barren tapir]

Ah AH! My theories are proven right once again!

[crisp heath]

Tanna, Porn, and a Melta. A simple man, with a simple heart.

[barren tapir]

Hug not necessary, and deodorant is just useless... Imagine spraying him with the entire can and you still smell the bad odour

[barren tapir]

And always arriving at the right time

Like he has planned everything

[north lotus]

It’s more a IRL kinda thing

[crisp heath]

I think a blank inquisitor could actually be a fun idea, not just an agent or acolyte but full-blown. Just like, an embodiment of the terror the Inquisition sows capable of instantly crippling psychic threats. I'm honestly amazed there hasn't been a canon one introduced yet.

[dusk patrol]

The main issue is that being a blink, kind of fucks, with the point of being in acquisitor

And blinks don’t really get the opportunity to become one as much as other people do, but it is theoretically possible that all being said

[barren tapir]

Fully agree

[north lotus]

Part of the problem is inquisitorial duty is a very social job

[crisp heath]

I honestly thought that was going to be the endgame for Bequin for a bit tbh

[dusk patrol]

Yeah, this

But once again, it is theoretically possible it’s not like with space marines where the gene seed makes it incompatible

[barren tapir]

Fear is a tool that inquisitor use for their social part, and a blank would not even need a rosette to instill fear

[barren tapir]

Unless you are a grey knight, then it can happens somehow...
Normal SM? No sir
Super special psychic SM? Sure, why not

[north lotus]

And although they aren’t very noticeable, the vague irritation that they instill is the problem in say situations where you are trying to do honeypot operations

[crisp heath]

Yeah but Inquisitors often handle a lot of their business without ever showing their face. It could easily be a situation where acolytes are mostly just handed orders and do most of the heavy lifting, and when blank-inquisitor decides a matter is worth getting involved with personally it's just this ominous, overwhelmingly intense situation

[dusk patrol]

The thing is though, it’s not fear it’s disgust and hatred and just inherent Lee disliking someone

Like I said it’s possible, but the path to it happening is kind of rough

[barren tapir]

It is different sentiments tbf, and fear is also one of such... Unless seeing a mannequin moving wouldn't scare people

I still love that description

[crisp heath]

Blanks seem to instill a different negative emotion depending on the blank and the person they're influencing

An inherently terrifying blank is definitely a possibility, they can cause any emotion that might make someone want to un-alive you

The core rule is just "they are uncomfortable, if not extremely upsetting, to be around"

[dusk patrol]

Culexus assassins are the only ones I can really think of that instill fear and it’s more at the affects of their presence rather than the presence itself

and that their you know insanely dangerous, and can kill you horrifically

[crisp heath]

Sisters of Silence are described as scary or unsettling as well, at least in the early HH books

[barren tapir]

Are you telling me their skull mask aren't the reason? Damn, so many money spent on those and no one care smh

[dusk patrol]

They do definitively have a visual presence to say the least

Even discounting the blank thing they’re still dangerous as fuck

[unique berry]

Tf are those helmets

[dusk patrol]

And every description we have of someone dying to the Animus Speculum, it is not a fun way to go

[dusk patrol]

Animus Speculum

Let’s them focus their blank aura into a beam

Disintegrates souls

Not a fun way to die

[unique berry]

Sounds fun well not for the target but

[dusk patrol]

And it gets worse for psykers

More painful, more deadly

But it works on normies too

Some of the most powerful Culexus can kill people by touching them when they unleash their aura

[crisp heath]

Culexus Assassins be like: fuck you * turns off your soul *

[dusk patrol]

The helmet is there to dampen and also amplify their aura

[unique berry]

The assassinorum dont play around

[dusk patrol]

Yeah Culexus are basically the final boss of a very very tough gauntlet

And they’re still assassins, who can casually bullettime and attack faster than even Astartes can perceive.

[unique berry]

Still perfer the Vindicare

[dusk patrol]

I enjoy all of them for different reasons mostly

[unique berry]

Fair

Eversors are still the most op Assassins of all right?

[plush mason]

not so much OP as "a walking bomb that only knows how to kill"

[north lotus]

No, that’s vindicare.

Eversor’s are nice, but you can get away

Vindicare will make you paranoid, sleepless, and afraid, before the bullet enters

Every day and night will be wrought with fear. Every window a panic attack

Shields are somewhat rare.

[crimson kayak]

Technically you wouldn't even know you got hit by a vindicare until the bullet it's in your insta-kill spot if he's doing his job right

It's not like they send you a notice or anything afterall

[north lotus]

That’s the point

[crimson kayak]

Yeah but, you wouldn't even know you are hunted by one

[north lotus]

The only reason you’d live is if you had a bullshit shield

Like a certain person on vrax

[slender roost]

I'm shocked it even worked tbh

[signal bramble]

Finally listening to the infinite and divine audiobook. I sat on this way too long, it’s great.

[versed ledge]

Just realized, Nurgle followers have a stupid high pain tolerance

[plush mason]

yeah thats one of the combat advantages he gives his follows

[versed ledge]

Like those pus filled buboes ought to be painful for them, or having horns growing out of their skulls..yet here they are still standing and stumbling

Like the poxwalkers, they aren't our traditional zed, I mean they can offed by shots to center mass

[warm flicker]

Why "tales of heresy " don't have a dramatis personae?

[blazing mango]

Is there any reason chaos just doesn't destroy the servitor colony since it's supposed to be the last one on the planet or something? feel like thatd be a huge swing for them

[north lotus]

Because servitors are expensive

The most efficient heretical war bands don’t destroy, they replace

The sabbat worlds show this.

As well as the sixth

Besides who wants to tell their leader they just destroyed a place they can make a viral cauldron

Considering servitors are often cloned material, how effective would it be to have highly virulent poxes only for servitors

Or using servitors as a vector.

[north lotus]

This is just for nurgle

[arctic talon]

Also those servitors are a data hub

A big one

[versed ledge]

In a way, servitors are more efficient at data processing than actual computers....

[arctic talon]

Human brain number 1 computer

[north lotus]

Cost wise, hell yes.

[arctic talon]

I mean

Even irl

Human brain > any computer processing system and hardware we’ve made

[north lotus]

Technically no in universe, but it’s the best option available in universe

[arctic talon]

I mean

Yeah

[north lotus]

A man of iron is FAR more efficient

But men of Iron have a traitor rate and sentient rate of 100%

[torpid narwhal]

im reading steel tread and wanted to know how much room is there in those tanks?

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t say 100% we know there were AI that sided with humanity

[north lotus]

What tank is it?

[north lotus]

It’s not a risk you want to take

[arctic talon]

I mean obviously

I never said it was

Just that saying it was 100% is false

[torpid narwhal]

leman russ demolisher

[north lotus]

Arch warhammer had a very interesting idea about how they are able to fall to chaos thanks to the fact that they realize their masters are corruptible, and/or the fact that they might think the best way to prevent corruption is to kill the human

Insert screeching here by certain folks

[arctic talon]

There’s no real info to back that

Regarding why the men of iron revolt occurred

[north lotus]

There has been a cross section of a baneblade so I’ll have to check for a leeman one

[arctic talon]

The only man of iron in universe we know of doesn’t want to talk about it either

[north lotus]

They can be corrupted though

Gaunts ghosts

[arctic talon]

I never said they couldn’t?

I’m just saying we don’t know why it occurred in the first place

Since ur-025 was on the kill humans side

And hates chaos

And isn’t corrupted by it either

And also doesn’t want to kill every single human they run into as well

[north lotus]

Here’s a guesstimate example on a standard one

Here’s one for the demolished

[torpid narwhal]

thanks that helps. i needed a visual for my mind when it talks about the inside.

smaller then i thought

[north lotus]

Here’s a spoiler, imperial tanks are cramped, noisy, and dangerous. But they are cheap and very good for their cost

[arctic talon]

I think those images are also slightly out dated

But they’re about the same size

[north lotus]

Yes, but it’s good enough to provide a idea.

Here’s a diorama

[torpid narwhal]

the tank is very old

[north lotus]

It’s not built very well, but it’s got a STC and it’s farming equipment technically

The STC status is most important

[arctic talon]

It is not farming equipment

As far as we know

That’s never been mentioned in universe

[torpid narwhal]

not in this book lol

[north lotus]

I thought it was based off farming equipment

[arctic talon]

It’s the same as the Ork bang story

No

It isn’t

Same as the meme about baneblade being “light” tanks

[north lotus]

The leman is a firehazard design wise

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s noted as

Not ideal in universe for survival if it you know

[north lotus]

As In “how do you get out”

[arctic talon]

Has any issues inside lol

[arctic talon]

The top and praying

[north lotus]

Fire goes up faster than down

[arctic talon]

That’s why I added the and praying part

Odds are you’re dying lul

[errant yacht]

I'll admit that I've held onto one particular mental image of Ork guns for way too long: that they are often built from salvaged lasguns and mutilated to look like a cartridge based weapon. From an "Ork belief power make non-functioning gun work", you gotta remember that Space Marines are pretty damn uncommon in the universe of Warhammer 40K, so it'd far more likely for Orks to salvage lasguns from the Astra Militarum for their looting purposes.

But at the time, this was me not accounting for the fact that techpriests are not the most reliable of narrators regarding how weapons work.

[arctic talon]

Orks usually build their own weapon just so you know

Or scrap other weapons to make their own

[errant yacht]

But basically, Ork belief power won't turn not bullets into bullets?

"not bullets" being a lasgun laser

[arctic talon]

It won’t

If they use a lasgun

It’ll be a lasgun

Ork shootas are usually scratch built by a boy or a mek

[north lotus]

If you want example like he provides, it’s be like getting a box of 1911 parts that are “plug and play.”

[arctic talon]

Like orks inherently good

At understanding tech and weaponry

[errant yacht]

I understand recently that Ork meks instinctively know how the mechanisms of a firearm work. Do Big Meks handle more complex machinery? Cuz I know that the Shokk Attack Gun is an incredibly complex and surprisingly accurate Warp-based weapon

[nocturne crest]

Or look at Brazilian handmade guns.

[arctic talon]

Yeah meks and big meks mess with higher tech stuff

But if a waaagh gets big enough

You’ll start getting normal ork boyz putting together a cannon

Or a melta gun

But inherently the knowledge of these things are coded into an orks brains

I.E higher quality copper == better for conduction

[plush mason]

i imagine the life expectancy of the crew is not very high given the nature of warfare in 40k and the weapons used so that likely isnt much of a problem

[bold veldt]

is it normal for tempestus scions to be shit at everything except being hardheaded?

[arctic talon]

No

They’re always literate in high gothic

And are able to speak it

Also they’re pretty smart overall because the schola progenium is an actual school

While also being a military boot camp from hell

[signal bramble]

No. They’re the elite spec ops of the imperial military. They should be amazing at a huge variety of things.

[bold veldt]

well they suck at marginally everything depicted

[signal bramble]

You mean in Darktide? Those aren’t scions.

[bold veldt]

nah books

[plush mason]

that is most likely just the author not liking scions

[bold veldt]

then multiple authors hate scions, they all die gruesome deaths everytime

[plush mason]

oh

[bold veldt]

almost always pure annihilation

[plush mason]

hm

[rose gyro]

scions are my favorite unit

too bad they didn't get enough love

[ripe ravine]

kind of worried about scions

clearly they're safe for this codex but they lost their regimental stuff and if they do more kasrkin like units they might get retired eventually

that said the sculpts aren't terribly old for guard

[honest trellis]

Arch has never had an original idea in his life, he's not even innovative in his racism.

[plush mason]

lol

also its not at all surprising he is in the "everything bad that happens to humanity is chaos' fault" camp

humanity has never ever needed an outside influence to fuck itself over

[tropic tapir]

more like ''everything bad that happens to humanity is human's fault and the eldar''

[plush mason]

yeah

fucking itself over is like the one thing humanity is consectantly good at

[tropic tapir]

and fucking each other over

let's not forget that

[plush mason]

thats humans, humanity is the collective whole

[arctic talon]

I’m stealing that

[arctic talon]

Also Scions lost their regimental stuff since it rotated out with psychic awakening

They’re prolly fine

Especially since odds are kasrkin are about to have their kneecaps broken lmao

[ripe ravine]

yeah for 10th at least I think they will stick around, but they are also the old scale and don't get much lore attention

[ripe ravine]

agreed that kasrkin supremacy can't possibly last

[crimson kayak]

I think you are confusing it with knights

[barren tapir]

They aren't farming equipment either

[celest dome]

From what I can find:

There’s an old bit of lore that says they were originally used to guard agricultural zones from local mega fauna. That’s been twisted into Knight = farm equipment by the community.

SO while they were used on farms on certain planets, it's most likely as kaiju hunter or something

[shadow plover]

Yeah knights have been mentioned to double as "farming" equipment and protection

[rose gyro]

Wood Cutting machines

I can't imagine what the weapons of the Golden Age would look like

given the fact that much of the Dark Eldar's weapons were once teenagers' toys before the Fall

[plain bolt]

Good day. One of the psyker personalities talks about the 5 rusting spires. What is this?

[celest dome]

Nothing currently known afaik

[plain bolt]

Ohh okay so it's new lore

[final solar]

Or just psyker babble

[mystic geyser]

@plain bolt weirdly, its a reference to Necromunda. Which suggests that personality is from there.

[plain bolt]

Ohh okay I'll look that up

[north lotus]

https://cfw.sarna.net/wiki/images/thumb/7/7e/Hermit_Crab_RGilClan_v10.png/1200px-i7fgtql7v2es2lryht0i7pode72xym6.png?timestamp=20210701000215

[celest dome]

Could you clarify ?

[north lotus]

“Carcenization is inevitable NYEHEHEH”

Sorry, battletech joke

[mystic geyser]

@celest dome not really.. Necromunda has five spires, they are rusty.

[celest dome]

So not a certainty then

[mystic geyser]

No, but I can't think what else it could be

[celest dome]

I'd take a guess and say it's something tied to the Moebian sector

Not Tertium, as we know it has 2 Spires

[floral siren]

@north lotus do you know which Psyker? The Jamaican, the schizophrenic, or the other one

[mystic geyser]

The "loner"

[north lotus]

I think it was the narcissist

That either was Russian or German accented

[mystic geyser]

Hmm it isn't even hive Primus on munda that has the five spires.. it's the even more obscure Hive Quinspirus

Who's going to ask Matt Ward ? 😅

[celest dome]

Matt Ward ? You mean Abnett ?

[mystic geyser]

No, Ward did the dialogue

[north lotus]

No one, because we all remember muh spiritual leege

[plain bolt]

It's the loner personality who sounds German

[mystic geyser]

Abnett did the history

[celest dome]

I though Marr wrote the story

The introduction we already have

[floral siren]

Was there any other context with the 5 rusting spires?

It's been mentioned there's at least 1 other hive city on Atoma Prime

[celest dome]

Not any that jump to the mind

[floral siren]

Tertium has 2 distinct spires. I wonder if the other(s) add up to 5 combined

[celest dome]

Might, there is also the possibility that it's the number of faction we could face, Scab, Dreg and 1 for each Chaos God

[floral siren]

That would be 6

Or 7

[mystic geyser]

First time I heard "by the 5" I immediately thought chaos gods

5 is the cool number

(Though a recent heresy book had 6 .. lol )

[simple sparrow]

Speaking of chaos gods, the god emperor is technically more powerful than any of them at this point, correct?

[celest dome]

No

Scab
Dreg/Nurgle
Khorne
Slaanesh
Tzeentch

[celest dome]

Not really

[floral siren]

Dreg just are rabble I feel, more than strictly Nurgle

[simple sparrow]

[celest dome]

Not sure, they are very Nurgly

[floral siren]

Well cause it's a Nurgle Cult

[celest dome]

Not so much Khorne/Slaanesh/Tzentch

[mystic geyser]

Other than the ragers, which are a bit shoehorned in but whatever

[floral siren]

Trapper is clearly a Slaanesh worshiping dominatrix trying to take you back to her dungeon

[celest dome]

Well they work quite well, like Frother and Plague Monk in VT2

[simple sparrow]

Hell yes I feel like the zealot and her would have a good time

[floral siren]

My point is, the Dregs are Tofu, they taste of Nurgle cause that's what's in the pan

[simple sparrow]

[floral siren]

It's a cooking metaphor

[mystic geyser]

[simple sparrow]

Idk if I wanna know what nurgle tastes like

[floral siren]

They're the Hive folk who joined the cult. Functionally they'd be the same with any other Chaos cult

[mystic geyser]

"Dare you to lick it"

[simple sparrow]

An Orgyn studying is a jarring image

[floral siren]

Pop a zit and find out

[celest dome]

Poxwalker are the Dreg horde
While Groaner are the Scab ones

And we might get Plaguebearer soon

[simple sparrow]

So what happened to everyone else in the hive? Were they massacred? Or are we just in the lower areas where the cultists are?

[mystic geyser]

Really? I didn't think groaners were scabs

[simple sparrow]

EW

[floral siren]

We only get deployed to afflicted areas

[celest dome]

Not all the hive is currently affected, with area blockaded

And otherwise killed or infected

[simple sparrow]

Oh so in some areas it’s just business as usual then

[celest dome]

Or they are hiding/fortifiying and other stuff

[floral siren]

The Hive is at war, one of the assassinate missions you can see the still loyal PDF manning a bridge barricade

[celest dome]

iirc they get the scab modifier

[simple sparrow]

Oh yeah you see the pdf in quite a few missions

Iirc

[mystic geyser]

@simple sparrow we know from the audio transmissions and intro video that the populace are being massacred / turned into poxwalkers. However there's 90 billion of them, there's plenty left

[floral siren]

Technically not sure if PDF or different Moebian regiment, only the 6th fell

[mystic geyser]

Hadron reassigning a middle class district to become slave workers in the manufactory was pretty grim

[simple sparrow]

So the poxwalkers are the innocents that are turned into zombies and the shooters/specials/elites are the ones that voluntarily joined the cult?

[floral siren]

Bingo

[simple sparrow]

When does she say this

[floral siren]

Scabs, especially the green goggled ones, were part of the Moebian 6th regiment

[simple sparrow]

Oh yeah I read that

Idk why anyone would voluntarily join though

[floral siren]

They're lied to

By the Imperium, then by the cult

[celest dome]

Most people join chaos without even realising it

[floral siren]

The Moebian 6th had been deployed to fringe worlds fighting horrors both chaos and xenos

They returned to put down rebellion

But decided they'd rather join it

A big part of turning is that Imperial life is horrid for the rank and file of humanity

They are not told of the dangers of the Warp, and sent off blindly to die fighting it

[rose gyro]

Hmmm, nope.

[floral siren]

Here comes the cult, promising freedom from the constraints of the Imperium and power to be gained from Chaos

[simple sparrow]

Ironic then that they become part of the horrors themselves

[floral siren]

Insert Harvey Dent meme

[rose gyro]

However, The Emperor can use His power more freely than the Gods

given by the fact He is still in Realspace

[simple sparrow]

I thought that the gods got their powers from emotions, so if trillions of humans are faithful to the emperor, wouldn’t that make him pretty powerful?

[rose gyro]

Faith is only one aspect of human mind

while other emotions empowered the Gods one way or another

the Circle of Life and Death, Nurgle

[celest dome]

Just because you're faithful doesn't mean you don't hate, lust or other emotion that would feed a god or another

[rose gyro]

Wars and carnage, Khorne

[simple sparrow]

That’s true. So only a part of the human psyche empowers the emperor then

[floral siren]

Mass sacrificing of Psykers is where he gets most his power

[rose gyro]

we can't say for sure, since He was also empowered by the souls of those who died for Him

[simple sparrow]

Sadge poor Psykers

Idk why my phone insists on capitalizing Psykers lol

[rose gyro]

"We shall feast at the Emperor's table" might not just a metaphor

[mystic geyser]

One of the dialogue possibilities when you lower the lift down into the furnace

[rose gyro]

Nope

[floral siren]

Since when?

[rose gyro]

that's for keeping of the Astronomicon

[floral siren]

Isn't he the astronomicon?

Like it's a psychic beacon he emits in the Warp

[rose gyro]

those psykers are embers to burn at the Golden Throne

so the Emperor could use their power to keep Astronomicon alight

as a God, The Emperor mainly have His power from faith

given by the fact that He could raise an army of martyrs in the Master of Mankind, I guess the souls of the loyalists worked as well

[mystic geyser]

Yeah that too

And the cicatrix maledicum has kicked him into overdrive apparently

[crimson kayak]

Isn't the Psyker sacrifice used to power up the astronomicon while emp on the throne psychically guards the broken web way portal with daemons popping under the palace?

[mystic geyser]

Essentially. Frees Him up to do other stuff