40k-lore-chat

[upbeat dagger]

another, FAR more terrifying theory, is a single note

one sentence

"The man atop the golden throne is not the emperor"

[celest dome]

What the theory that it's Horus ?

[crimson kayak]

Inb4 it's actually a random servitor given a giant skeleton and the thousand of Psykers are there to feed the astronomican and not the emperor

[upbeat dagger]

i think it's the key to one final fuck you to the warp tho honestly

[delicate temple]

Yea but since the star child and such aren't canon nowadays it doesn't really seem like the emperor is anywhere

[upbeat dagger]

or perhaps a way for the emperor to possess a grey knight, for them to speak with him

[crimson kayak]

Oh God that would mean emperor kaldor draigo

[upbeat dagger]

?

[crimson kayak]

Considering only the grand Master is supposed to open the terminus boz

[delicate temple]

God is TTS going to turn out to be canon?

[upbeat dagger]

also i hear that the golden throne is starting to fail?

[crimson kayak]

Always has

[upbeat dagger]

mechanically speaking

[crimson kayak]

Point stands

It's permanently stuck in the "it's kinda working but it's starting to crumble" like the rest of the universe

[upbeat dagger]

and i also hear it's starting to go beyond admech's capabilities to fix

shit this is giving me too much anxiety over a fictional universe

[crimson kayak]

No worry, if there's one thing that will not happen ever is changing the status quo

Or well, doing it in any permanent way whatsoever

[upbeat dagger]

i've also heard that recent lore has Kaldor actually considering opening the terminus decree

[mystic geyser]

I am braced for the final siege of terra novel to be crazy

[upbeat dagger]

due to cadia's fall

[upbeat dagger]

is that a thing?

[mystic geyser]

Yeah

The End and The Death. Part 1 and part 2.

[upbeat dagger]

oh wait

30k?

or id it 40k

[mystic geyser]

Yeah

[crimson kayak]

30k

[mystic geyser]

Heresy finale

[delicate temple]

One day we'll get an End Times equivalent for 40k I'm sure

[upbeat dagger]

ohhh

didn't people really not like 30k

[crimson kayak]

If gw wants another age of sigmar level shitstorm sure

[upbeat dagger]

not 30k i mean

end times

my bad

i think that it'd be neat if gw branched into possible futures

[crimson kayak]

And they did get close to it with the primaris

[upbeat dagger]

not one absolute

[delicate temple]

I think end times was liked for lore but disliked for tabletop?

[upbeat dagger]

it'd be interesting to see a "what is the best possible ending"

[crimson kayak]

End times for fantasy is strange

Lorewise it's a mix of fuck ups and great lore pieces

[upbeat dagger]

like, i think if the end of 40k is shown it shouldn't be an absolute

[unique berry]

Eh doubt it its the last thing they are gonna use

[crimson kayak]

Rule wise it got brought back due to fan backlash for aos if I remember correctly

[crimson kayak]

I mean, they considered it like modern nations consider nuclear weapons in a conflict

[delicate temple]

I think if they do end times it should be a sort of "50k" kind of thing, so 40k still has lots of gaps to fill to stay alive

[upbeat dagger]

another cool theory i saw- the terminus decree is essentially mutually assured destruction- the power to channel every soul of humanity into the emperor and use his moment of true godhood to annihilate the warp

the chaos gods know what it is, and therefore know not to push humanity too hard

[delicate temple]

How does one anhialate the warp?

[crimson kayak]

You don't

[upbeat dagger]

well, more of like

[delicate temple]

Wouldn't that be like, destroying sentience?

[upbeat dagger]

not warp itself, i mean

[crimson kayak]

It would be destroying the concepts in wich the universe is based upon

[upbeat dagger]

the way i saw it described was that big e was the one thing the chaos gods fear, because only he can truly bring death to them, a concept otherwise completely alien

less of annihilating the warp and more of destroying the chaos gods' domains

[delicate temple]

Hitting the big reset button on the warp I guess? Basically starting the universe over

Now I'm thinking about Mass Effect and all its squandered opportunities

[crimson kayak]

I mean, the Eldar do have to lay waste to slaneesh's realm if they want the final power ranger sword

[upbeat dagger]

what's an STC

[delicate temple]

The what?

[upbeat dagger]

it's something to do with a foundry?

its a Standard Template Construct, apparently all of them are damaged

[delicate temple]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[unique berry]

They wont use it until shit hit the fen Terra and the Fleet Solar still stands they would only use it when the fleet loses which is unlikely since its the biggest fleet ever

[upbeat dagger]

oh- they were semi intelligent ai cores housing the sum of human knowledge

[delicate temple]

Well im kinda lost when were these brought up?

[upbeat dagger]

was reading another theory

the theory was that the terminus was a path to an undamaged STC

[delicate temple]

Oh I see. Sounds like a sort of Noah's Ark type of thing for humanity

[celest dome]

Pretty much anything and everything
SOme are libraries of templates, while other are single plans to make things

There is also a supposed global library that Tech Priest Explorator Delphan Gruss is searching for

The Omnicopaeia

[delicate temple]

Bless you

[upbeat dagger]

so i've just realized that I should really stop with this for now, my anxiety's been flaring up for the past like half hour and i just deduced that it's because of this conversation. tysm for the info and vibes but my brain's starting to take these fictional scenarios far too seriously

take care y'all

[delicate temple]

Lmao good night my friend

[upbeat dagger]

good night

[crimson kayak]

Stc's are essencialy schematics and such to build stuff we can't build anymore, sometimes they are the stuff itself through

[crimson kayak]

Yep, that was my point, it's the last of last resorts

[crimson kayak]

Extremely valuable considering the older the better in 40k

[crimson kayak]

A... Lot of times actually

[delicate temple]

Oh I meant in the current convo

[crimson kayak]

Oooh

It didn't

[earnest snow]

Still waiting for the Admech to find the STC that makes Air Fryers

[scenic sun]

the Tau stole it

[earnest snow]

Damn blue xenos

[tiny root]

Quick question.
I stare into a navigators eye, how quickly do I die?

The third one, of course

[celest dome]

very quick

[scenic sun]

what's wrong with their third eye?

[tiny root]

Nothing

[celest dome]

Portal to the warp, make people very crazy and they die

[scenic sun]

damm, must be fun being the nurse bringing a navigator into this galaxy

[celest dome]

Navigator are born with their 3rd eye mostly normal

And born in special families who do most inhouse

(Even Child making)

[tiny root]

So if John Gaurdsman does it into the navigussy, you wouldnt get a triple eye baby?

[scenic sun]

I know, but I doubt a noble from the navigator houses would lower themselves so much that they'd play the role of nurse in child birth

[scenic sun]

no, am pretty sure. He'd likekly be killed by a very angry noble house

[delicate temple]

Still wonder why GW didn't play gears of war and decide to rip off the Lancer for a new bolter or autogun

[scenic sun]

?

[celest dome]

They have inhouse servants

[delicate temple]

oh

[mystic geyser]

Can't tell if irony but gw have had chainsaw bayonets decades before gears of war

[celest dome]

There are also Ripper Saw which are similar iirc (Would love to see it as a ranged weapon for the Ogryn)

Like:
Primary: Melee attacks like the Grenadier attack
Secondary: Bracing (To shoot on Primary attack)
Special: Rev Chain saw

[mystic geyser]

There's even a model with a chainsaw bayonet on a laspistol, though apparently that's just for medics.

[crimson kayak]

Isn't there a tempestor prime model that has it? Or was it only on the book art?

Anyhow yeah, chain bayonets do exist

[bronze charm]

i wonder what kinda chain weapon ogryn could get. is there even anything big enough for him?

Besides taping two of the big chainswords together

[celest dome]

In theory there could be chain weapon (Other than the Ripper Saw) but we haven't got any showcase of it (Lore/Mni)

[bronze charm]

what if, hear me out, drill gauntlet

[unique berry]

I mean does he realy need one

[bronze charm]

like the ones the space marine medics have, just without the medicae/whateverthefuckspacemarinesusetoheal

[unique berry]

A huge fucking drill right in da wound

[bronze charm]

takin' yer blud for da empra'

[crimson kayak]

Unrelated, but now that I'm looking at it the lucius lasgun is pretty fucking similar to the kalibrax lasrifle, and the fact it doesn't use the kalibrax power packs anymore but standard lasguns one could be the reason why it's supposed to shoot less, but harder

[celest dome]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Narthecium
And not really needed

But I would like a Gauntlet kit for unarmed combat

[crimson kayak]

Guys

Chain fists are a thing in 40k too

[celest dome]

Yes, but they are in the style of the same thing just a bit higher

[crimson kayak]

Closest would be the breachers hatchcutter

Considering they are the only multi-tool with integrated chain weapons

[unique berry]

So why are Cataphractii Pattern Terminator Armour so goddamn sexy

[crimson kayak]

Because all 30k armors are better looking

[unique berry]

Yes sir

[crimson kayak]

Even if I must say I really like primaris armor with the exception of edgy skull masks

[unique berry]

Skull masks? I only know Chaplains to wear them

[crimson kayak]

Primaris have units that have only lower face skull masks and act as inflintration units and such

These guys

[unique berry]

Edge

Kinda looks cool tho

[crimson kayak]

Yeah, I just don't like the masks

Meanwhile I absolutely love Inceptors

How can you hate the assault marine with tank armor and assault skii's

[shadow plover]

Inceptors are great, very good on the table as well

[crimson kayak]

They are the only true improvement to standard marines tactics wise imo

And aggressors wich are well, centurions but without the centurion mobility problem

[unique berry]

Wearing just a half mask is weird anyway

[shadow plover]

Luv me gravis marines

[robust zephyr]

Buying some decal sheets for my next kit, are the only special mark on the blood ravens their chapter emblem itself? Everything else can just be swapped with standard marine stuff?

[crimson kayak]

They do have full helmets actually if you look at the image I sent, its just the fact it HAS to have a skull on the lower half that bothers me to no end for no reason

[crimson kayak]

Yep

Sadly blood ravens don't get much unique shit chapter wise considering they are too busy being a meme about stealing stuff from other imperials

[unique berry]

They are dope as hell

[crimson kayak]

I mean, who else can be mistaken for A Stray Warhead or falling debris from space battles when dropping into a mission

[unique berry]

I fell in love with them in Battlesector absolute elite unit

[crisp heath]

are the tau more culturally advanced than the imperium?

[rose gyro]

depends.

Imperium is made up by a million worlds, each are different

[mystic geyser]

Do you consider a mandated caste system more advanced that a totalitarian theocracy?

[unique berry]

Yes.

[rose gyro]

there would be some democratic worlds under Imperium's banner, since Imperium usually doesn't care how a world is managed

in theory

[unique berry]

Wait Slaanesh?

[rose gyro]

👀

[mystic geyser]

@rose gyro ehh it's possible but I can't think of any good examples.

[shadow plover]

something monarchical is a bit more common at least but wouldn't call that too advanced

[crisp heath]

god damn it why are you guys so tame i wanted to start a war here

[mystic geyser]

Lol

[unique berry]

🫡

[celest dome]

Because we often than not see the sh#tholes of the Imperium

[rose gyro]

because there are none in lore

[unique berry]

Yeah but Tau suck ass

[rose gyro]

Tau is unimportant

[unique berry]

exactly

[crisp heath]

he said it!

[barren tapir]

Tanith

[rose gyro]

it is an ant on giants' battlefield

[celest dome]

Isn't Elysian kinda nice ? And Vostroya if you're not a 1st born iirc

[mystic geyser]

@barren tapir never heard of it

[crisp heath]

they sound kinda meh. no?

[celest dome]

eh, in the 40k world it's not that bad

[rose gyro]

Macragge is a wonderful place

[unique berry]

Smurf

[rose gyro]

basically Rome in space

[crisp heath]

based

[rose gyro]

and there are the Pleasure Worlds

[mystic geyser]

Slaanesh on form

[rose gyro]

some, but not all

[unique berry]

Of cause Slaanesh would mention Pleasure worlds

[barren tapir]

Elysia was a nice place, regarding the world, it was a civilised world with relative peace, to the point that their regiments were made up by volunteers only

And those regiments had various training places around the system too

[rose gyro]

it is quite possible that 99% of the Imperium's worlds are rather peaceful

[unique berry]

Eh

[shadow plover]

depends what you count peaceful

[celest dome]

Are we a peaceful world ?

[crisp heath]

hell nah

[shadow plover]

no ongoing invasion or incursion? sure, peaceful

[rose gyro]

not eaten by Daemons Heretics or Xenos

[crisp heath]

were far from peaceful

[celest dome]

Then I'd say we must have a lot of peaceful world

[rose gyro]

but those worlds are unlikely become the center of the stage

[crisp heath]

but tbf i doubt that 99% of the imperiums worlds are peaceful since you know there are a giant amount of different species of xenos who like to breed and such

[rose gyro]

we are heaven on earth in 40K's standard

but don't satisfied on standard THAT low

[crisp heath]

and from the lore that ive gathered (basically dont have any legs to stand on here) xenos are not very liked by the imperium

[unique berry]

If we dont count the GSC or Chaos Cults, Corrupt officals of the world etc.

[rose gyro]

that's something that the Great Crusade has done for 40K

Xeno species were not that many now

[crisp heath]

i count the corrupted in any shape or form as xenos as well

[rose gyro]

the intelligent ones at least

[barren tapir]

There are hundreds of xenos still around, it is just GW don't talk about them

[crisp heath]

since you know greed and such is basically a gateway

[rose gyro]

and not very important storywise

[barren tapir]

Depend on the scope, galaxy wise? Not so much... Sector wide? Way more

[rose gyro]

maybe a few in RPG Rule books

[crisp heath]

and i dont really think that 40 thousand years is that much for extermination of every other race in multiple galaxies across the vast voids of space as well as the corrupted

[barren tapir]

Although they are stated to be widespread they are not at the same level of other xenos, mostly orks and nids

[rose gyro]

don't need 40K years

the Great Crusade is about 100+ years

and basically wiped out nearly all known Xeno Empires

[unborn gust]

Doesn’t mean more haven’t risen

The galaxy is a big place. I doubt even in 100+ the imperium wiped out every xenos race

[rose gyro]

of course not, only the dangerous clusters

there are still countless xeno races

[crisp heath]

across the quadrillions of lightyears of space i think thats a pretty short crusade since xenos rise fall adapt rise and constantly multiply

[unborn gust]

Somehow we conquered a million worlds

[rose gyro]

and before everything, there was the War in Heaven

[unborn gust]

Necrons simply did a little trolling

[crisp heath]

we did but most of them are in struggle from either corruption from within or xenos

[unique berry]

Xenos is Xenos and we cant accept they existents in our Galaxy

[unborn gust]

Purge the unclean

[rose gyro]

Eldar are finnnnnne

[unique berry]

https://tenor.com/view/only-war-reason-gaming-warhammer-gif-17304554

[unborn gust]

Eldar are mortal enemies

[unique berry]

They are a dying species anyway just a question of time

[rose gyro]

Drukhari are doing great

you can't find a better playground than 40K

[celest dome]

In the face of the heat death of the universe, even the Necron are a dying species

[honest trellis]

Elysia still has noble houses pulling shit

and Chaos pirates, some of them backed by outcasts from said noble houses

[rose gyro]

Krieg is a good place

you don't find any traitors or xenos there

and everyone is devoted to the Emperor

[unique berry]

We dont talk about da Krieg here 👀

[wind kernel]

I didn't know regular people could use bolters

I thought only the astartes could

And the sisters of battle ofcourse

[dusk patrol]

Nope

It’s just they’re expensive and hard to maintain

[vocal drum]

wow these guys are assholes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9xfNkWpnOWM

they destroy the galaxy then still have an ego

[storm jungle]

literally every 40k faction in existence has that yes

[vocal drum]

but like

[arctic talon]

Well for one the craftworld eldar weren’t responsible for the birth of slaanesh

[vocal drum]

they were responsible for the eye of terror

[arctic talon]

So

[vocal drum]

and the birth of the slanesh

[storm jungle]

They werent

[arctic talon]

They weren’t responsible

The eldar who were responsible are the dark eldar

[storm jungle]

The craftworlds were the doomsday preppers that left before the Eye opened

[arctic talon]

And all the eldar living in the heart of the empire

Who uh

[storm jungle]

got vored

[arctic talon]

died lmao

[storm jungle]

LEL

yeah

[vocal drum]

lol wow

they just left before shit hit the fan?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Because their society was going to shit lol

[vocal drum]

so the birth of that eye of terror is because the warp became too chaotic and bursted?

right?

like too full of emotions?

then they just left essentially?

[arctic talon]

Most of the craftworld eldar left the moment eldar society decided torturing people was fun

And flaying people alive slowly is a occasion for a party

[storm jungle]

The Warp was always unstable

the eldar were just the biggest psychic race in existence at the time and as said above went full hellraiser thus giving birth to slaanesh

[vocal drum]

sheesh

[storm jungle]

her birth-scream was so strong that it also blew away half the warp-storms in the galaxy

giving the Emperor the way to go start his jihad from terra

I MEAN

Great Crusade™️

[vocal drum]

lmaoo ty for that explanation

wait i thought

[arctic talon]

Jihad, crusade, the 25th xenos genocidefest

All work

Lol

[vocal drum]

slanesh was genderless

or is she a girl?

[arctic talon]

All chaos gods are genderless

Eldar call slaanesh she who thirst

Chaos followers call them the dark prince of pleasure

Ect.

[vocal drum]

ah makes sense

[arctic talon]

For example on Lorgars homeworld

Both Tzeentch and Nurgle were worshiped as female

TLDR the chaos gods are whatever you want them to be for worship

[vocal drum]

https://tenor.com/view/tts-sorry-confused-nurgle-gif-18625925

[echo vault]

I need more dreadnoughts

[vocal drum]

how is this female

[vocal drum]

makes sense but just abit odd how some races percieve it

[echo vault]

That thing has no gender it's just disease

[solar canopy]

i know theres gonna be atleast a few people checking for r34 female nurgle pics now

[storm jungle]

yallah ekber

[arctic talon]

The imperium being more tolerating religiously then irl counties always gets me

As long as the emperor is the main focus

Your region is fine kekw

Even if the emperor has a bunch of tentacles

And a fish head

[storm jungle]

the perfect thing with that is:

[arctic talon]

Or is the sun

[storm jungle]

"oh no blood sacrifices"

"that will surely not blossom into a chaos cult"

[vocal drum]

it kinda annoys me that they throw their life away for some rotting corpse on a throne smh

who never talks

[storm jungle]

Be based, go worship chaos

[vocal drum]

id worship that one chaos god of trickery

he does magic or something

[plush mason]

i mean. irl people throw their lives away for a sky daddy they cant even see lol

let alone hear

[vocal drum]

i mean ur right but like in this context in 40k universe humans are dying

it serves no purpose to follow a dying god

[arctic talon]

The chaos worshiper says the emperor is dead but I see him in the sky for he is the glorious sun

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

TLDR the imperium is weird

[vocal drum]

only god worth following is nurgle

[arctic talon]

Lmao

I too love being in an abusive relationship

[vocal drum]

[crisp heath]

Well in my culture, the Emperor has four arms and I'm so glad the Imperium is open to our unique differences 🙂

[vocal drum]

off topic also what is this suppose to be

https://i.imgur.com/BMpaOzR.png

what is connected to that?

the hivemind giant EYe?

*eye

[carmine lynx]

Looks more like a mouth of a creature

[plush mason]

that is the nids yet to enter the galaxy

[crisp heath]

Yeah thats just the Hive Fleets

[celest dome]

Representation of the different Hive Fleets

[vocal drum]

read the story yesterday orks vs tyranids, imo its a 50/50

both cant kill eachother

imo tho

[storm jungle]

Nids can more or less win with right tactics

they fight orks on a literal microscopic level

[celest dome]

Octarius War, think the Tyr won in the end right ?

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah they did

the Imperial cordon is holding but we have no updates yet

[celest dome]

In the most part the best enemy for the Tyr are the Necron

[plush mason]

the orks literally ran out of ammo iirc lol

[vocal drum]

lol wtf

[plush mason]

so many bugs

[vocal drum]

god i hate tyranids

they are so cheap tactics

just overwhelm so boring

[storm jungle]

they are basically playing an RTS game

[solar canopy]

the only greater good is the hivemind

[storm jungle]

send unit
construct new building
get more units
get requisition

https://tenor.com/view/age-of-empires-the-conquerors-cura-wololo-priest-gif-12119139

[plush mason]

repeat ad Infinium until win or dead

[arctic talon]

They started making bullets out of nid bits lmao

[plush mason]

lmao

[vocal drum]

thats so stupid but funny

thats something orks would do lol

[storm jungle]

they were more or less having fun but also literally running out of everything

the entire planet was covered in fucking bugs

[vocal drum]

HAVING FUN?!

when tyranids at your DOORSTEP?

[solar canopy]

they are orks

[storm jungle]

okay to be fair

orks are easy to scare

the moment you kill their bosses they panic

[solar canopy]

if i was an ork that would sound like alot of fun to me

[vocal drum]

who do orks actually get scared by like what races?

[storm jungle]

honestly a lot of things

humans are like the only things that they arent scared by i think

[solar canopy]

orks are only scared of a world where they cant bash something

[crisp heath]

Orks don't really get "scared", but they can definitely panic sometimes

[storm jungle]

They do get scared

its just up to what ork

[crisp heath]

Once a big, tough guy shows up and takes control they calm down

[storm jungle]

the tougher ones wont get intimidated but smaller ones like any boyz get oofed a lot

[storm jungle]

also yeah this

its when the bosses bite the dust they go "OH FUCK"

as long as they got a proper command chain its mostly fine

they got literal sheep herd mentality

[vocal drum]

imo necrons>tyranids>humans>orks>tau empire

[storm jungle]

you are on the right track my guy

necrons are cool

[solar canopy]

necrons=orks>everything else

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/necron-dance-warhammer40k-wh40k-warhammer40000-gif-25711280

[vocal drum]

but idk where elders place idk their tech

[storm jungle]

eldar are basically as advanced as necrons

they just dont use their tech as much

[solar canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-wh40k-gif-7750560

[storm jungle]

necron tech is like

literally setting-breaking

lmao

They got snipers that can kill you anywhere by stepping out of pocket dimensions

so you know

well that and their main infantry weapons melt tanks

https://tenor.com/view/necrons-warhammer-gauss-gif-24598584

[solar canopy]

https://tenor.com/view/everything-is-pretty-cool-pretty-cool-good-everyone-is-nice-everyone-is-cool-gif-16985519

[rose thorn]

Hey what was that guard regiment that was completely under control of the inquisition?

[celest dome]

Which one ? The Inqui has plenty of regiments that are attached to a Inquisitor

[dusk patrol]

I did like the bit in one of the Ventris books where their sniper counters a Deathmark by firing at it before it appears

Because he realized it was picking the best sniping positions and he just fired at the one he would have chosen

[rose thorn]

I believe uhhh,, karamazov

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think there’s a specific regiment

[celest dome]

I don't think he had a regiment tied to him

[dusk patrol]

But some Inquisitors requisition whole regiments

[celest dome]

Just the regular Inquisition Troops

[dusk patrol]

They have Inquisitorial Scions

But those are just Scions which get more training

[rose thorn]

Oooo okay!

Is any of them actually interesting or are they all just the exact same as a normal regiment

[dusk patrol]

It Depends™️

[rose thorn]

its so fucking funny how many space marine chapters that are just 'they fight in a never ending war roaming the galaxy!!!!!' and that being thier entire personality

[wind kernel]

Okay thanks for the bit of lore

Now I know lmao

[celest dome]

In majority they are like the Cadian, most are somewhat basic

[solar canopy]

to be fair a lot of the space marine chapters are just fillers from a lore-writer perspective, they dont need to have personality, just a name and a one-liner is enough

my head canon is also that theres alot more SM chapters than just 1000 ... even more so after the ultima founding

we (as the readers/audience) just dont know about them

[storm jungle]

yeah like

literally every Successor Chapter that got wiped out in the Devastation of Baal for example

was made up for the fucking book

lmao

because GW has no balls

[unique berry]

Nah fuck the Chaos Gods just fight the imperium without getting weird demons in ya

[rich sail]

nah fuck both chaos and the imperium, worship the dragon of mars and the c'tan

[unique berry]

Praise the Omnissiah

[unique berry]

I love the Story of it

[celest dome]

Good luck mate

[arctic talon]

One of them exist pre detestation lul

But they got mentioned off handidly in the story with bile and the BA

[red sage]

This gif is canon, btw.

[north lotus]

You have to remember, Cadia was the place to go to if you wanted competent soldiers with minimal defects for role

[celest dome]

Yes, but they are like the Ultramarines

The standard one the other regiments are made unique against

[arctic talon]

They aren’t standard tho really

They’re above standard

[celest dome]

I didn't mean it as standard like strenght/quality but rather style

[arctic talon]

Ah

Fair

[north lotus]

Granted in my opinion it’s more likely that Cadian pattern stuffs tends to be given as generic standardized military material which leads to the appearance of large numbers of what appear to be Cadians but are in fact recieved from different worlds

[arctic talon]

That’s literally canon

There’s tons of regiments using cadian styled gear

Because they’re famous and their gear is relatively cheap

And multi purposed

Easily colorable and customizable

[north lotus]

I can see what you mean

[arctic talon]

For example

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/4/40/FaeburnVanquishers.png/revision/latest?cb=20171020023850

She isn’t cadian

She’s part of the faeburn vanquishers

[north lotus]

The way I see it, a way you could make it interesting is that Cadian patterns are default, but if you need a specialized pattern, other variants are available if already produced.

[north lotus]

At least with lasguns

[celest dome]

Do we know what a Psykana Mercy Blade look like ? Cause I would lose to see it as either a weapon or a skin for the Dagger

[north lotus]

My apologies if I don’t sound coherent, I didn’t get any sleep and just got off work

[celest dome]

Eh, It's fine

[arctic talon]

Have some more knock off cadians

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/c3/TruskanSnowhounds.png/revision/latest?cb=20171020030904

There’s like 5 or 6 regiments that have some lore

That are knock off Cadians

[celest dome]

Don't the Inquisitorial Troops usually use Cadian stuff too ?

[arctic talon]

Depends

But yes

They use modified cadian gear

[north lotus]

What I mean by this is for example a mechanized regiment might use a Voss pattern lasgun

[arctic talon]

That’s sometimes up armored with bits of carapace armor

[north lotus]

I personally would go with the MACVSOG route.

Aka: ALL. THE. AMMO.

[arctic talon]

Pretty much every one of the big regiments has a knock off version of them

Except for the dkok

[north lotus]

https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2019/08/lasguns-40k-scale.jpg

[arctic talon]

Who started as knock off steel legion

[north lotus]

Vallhallans, the vostroyans, the brit’ish ones I can’t remember.

[arctic talon]

Valhallans have one

I forgor their name

And the praetorians were never a major regiment

In any of the codexes

[north lotus]

Unfortunately

[celest dome]

Vostroya has a high Admech influence so they make their Lasgun themselves and they are of higher quality

[arctic talon]

They’re a heavily industrialized world

Ye

[arctic talon]

And no we don’t know what they look like

So Fatshark could go wild

[celest dome]

Ye, would be a good weapon skin or outright weapon

Need more Force Melee weapon

[barren tapir]

Would like to remember everyone that there is no cadian pattern gear, the cadians used the most common pattern for armour and their lasguns are kantrael pattern

And no, nearly all other main regiments have their unique gear

If the world had a martial tradition it will be kept that, if the world lacked any form of martial tradition then the imperium would slap on them the cadian pattern for regiment hoping in a good result

[north lotus]

Basically what I was trying to say.

[barren tapir]

Got your back covered mate

But you should also rest, or sleep

[north lotus]

Part of the idea is how the idea of “military aid packages ” work IRL. One country gives another surplus material, which leads to things like Lithuania, a Baltic state, for example having using m14’s as dmr’s and sniper rifles despite being rather far from their manufacturer.
Or why every Ukrainian quartermaster or repairman is going to be on suicide watch at the end of the war with all the various materials there at this point

[arctic talon]

Ukraines army is gona look like they broke into a Cold War stockpile + every nato nations bases and grabbed some stuff

[serene mist]

Hell ye

[north lotus]

If I get resources and social skills, let’s just say certain parts of equipment might come to find new shores to float to

Once the war ends

But that’s a dream unlikely

[rose thorn]

Oh hey has anyone read the new guard codex?

[barren tapir]

Damn, this sound like me

[signal bramble]

What about it?

[rose thorn]

Is there any mention of brood brothers In it?

[signal bramble]

I don’t think so. I don’t remember any specific mentions of a gsc.

They’re mentioned in the gsc codex obv.

[celest dome]

I don't really see why the IG codex would talk about the Brood brothers

The Brood Brother Guardsmen get mentioned in the GSC codex with all the stats needed

[signal bramble]

In the 8th edition codex where the lore is expanded on more there are mentions of a few traitor regiments.

I don’t remember if it had gsc in it either.

It’s usually like “when this regiment or planet turned traitor this regiment or those regiments worked together and punished them.”

[errant yacht]

Do you think GW deliberately avoids talking about the Emperor's Shadows out of fear that it'd make the universe "too anime"?

[arctic talon]

No

[arctic talon]

Emperor’s shadows barely matter in the grand scheme of things and they were a white dwarf employers custom marines

TLDR they’ll get as much lore as any other minor successor

Which is near 0p

[errant yacht]

Given their Japanese thematics, I think they would most likely specialize in fighting with Centurions, possibly having Chapter specific Tactical, Librarian, and/or Command variants

[arctic talon]

Eh don’t see any reason why they’d have different unique line troops

Despite the samurai theming

Can see different veteran varients

But eh

[errant yacht]

Them having unique Centurions would have them lean more heavily on an anime mecha shtick. I know the Tau Empire exists, but we all know that the meat of the action in most mecha anime is the liberal usage of melee weapons, from the Zaku heat hawk, to the Federation Beam sabers, to Post-Disaster Gundam frames using physical weapons like clubs and actual swords

[arctic talon]

Okay but they’re still literal space marines part of the imperium

Their gear prolly still resembles most other chapters

Most chapters that aren’t successors of the BA, SW or DA don’t have a ton of super unique things

Aside from “unique” honor guard

And such

[errant yacht]

Fair. Still, I wanna think that a Librarian Centurion would be pretty sweet just cuz it'll most likely be "Zeong but 40K"

[arctic talon]

Like

This is how they look

They look like marines that like banners

And paper

[errant yacht]

Their Chaplain has a literal oni mask

[arctic talon]

Yep

It’s a captain

Not a chaplain

Also their little blurb

[barren tapir]

We have a world that is japan btw

With katana and shiz

[serene mist]

It's not too horrible tbh

[hushed kayak]

what planet is that?

[serene mist]

The pauldrons with katakana is a bit weird

[barren tapir]

Fervius

[slender orchid]

Mantis Warriors are the canonical weeb chapter

Samurai space Marines. Think they are green and yellow

[serene mist]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

That’s a normal power sword

From the captain kit in the command squad

Or rather it’s the “relic blade”

Because space marine captains don’t get normal power swords

Unless you’re the deathwing strikemaster

Or a death watch watch captain

Then you get a master crafted power sword

And if you’re wondering what the difference in the tabletop there is the answer is there is no difference because marine rules are bloated as fuck

[dusk patrol]

Hell even normal marines power swords, if they get one, are way better than most everyone else’s options

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But why the fuck is the relic blade it’s own data sheet

From a master crafted power sword

[dusk patrol]

Cause it’s old and good as opposed to made good

[arctic talon]

But like

[dusk patrol]

Or some shit

[arctic talon]

They don’t need a separate data sheet

They literally look almost the exact same

Visually

[dusk patrol]

Clearly you aren’t forklift certified

[arctic talon]

Also the vanguard vet gets it for some reason

Idfk

But the company champion doesn’t

[dusk patrol]

But in seriousness

It’s probably just a

Relic

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

[dusk patrol]

From older rules

[arctic talon]

But the marines got a codex for 9e

[dusk patrol]

And a way for players to make special blades maybe I guess

[arctic talon]

Also the vanguard vets didn’t have the option in 8th

So uh

[dusk patrol]

Like a distinction between the two, idk

[arctic talon]

Idk

Just feels weird

[dusk patrol]

GW works in mysterious ways

[serene mist]

Unsure why you pinged me for that

[arctic talon]

Because you said the power sword was a katana

It’s just a basic bitch powersword from a normal kit

And that means it fits the imperiums asthetic

[dusk patrol]

I will still be forever surprised by how there isn’t a Samurai chapter

The fact that there’s a space mongol chapter but not a samurai one just makes it more surprising

[arctic talon]

Ebon Keshig in HH were vaguely samurai themed

And even if GW did straight up make a samurai themed chapter

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/that-doesnt-count-sungwon-cho-prozd-it-doesnt-make-sense-nonsense-gif-24979909

[arctic talon]

Odds are people are gona scream about it

The same way people scream about anything

[dusk patrol]

I just want power katanas ok

[arctic talon]

Fucks sake people complained about the new possessed lol

And the new Cadians

And the new kasrkin

[dusk patrol]

I think this discord thread alone is proof that you can never make people happy

Literally any new lore, always a complaint

[arctic talon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/419713817384058880/1027810913908170772/unknown.png

-the warhammer community

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Fucks sake people bitched about the new daemon prince mini

LOOK AT EM

it has 5 dif alternate heads

[plush mason]

wtf is there to bitch about he looks awesome?

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammerfb/images/9/92/Daemon_Prince_7th_Edition.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20180412163351

[dusk patrol]

40k community uh

Finds a way

[arctic talon]

This one was better

Aparantly

It had more “personality”

[plush mason]

....

[dusk patrol]

Dude I actually had someone say they liked the older Azrael model more

When like

[arctic talon]

💀

[dusk patrol]

It’s literally an almost 1:1 remake

Just updated

[arctic talon]

Also another thing

[plush mason]

yeah nah they are just bitching to bitch

[arctic talon]

Someone said 3e marines have more personality then primaris

[dusk patrol]

The only quibble is like the magazine I guess?

[arctic talon]

Which is uh

?????

[dusk patrol]

They definitely had better resting constipation face

[plush mason]

what did the 3e look like?

[arctic talon]

https://external-preview.redd.it/SFO1_gv31M4EyohTuKrEyURrCWbWPmytEUA98BE-1PQ.jpg?auto=webp&s=d17336317742b99e8ed603ad24346396f1fe316d

This

Lmao

They had only this one pose

I can get saying the late 7e and 6e marines had more personality

[plush mason]

oh yeah. back when 40k minis looks like junky kids toys

[arctic talon]

But 3e hell nah

You cannot tell me those have more personality

[dusk patrol]

But Elite

[arctic talon]

Then this

[dusk patrol]

Their standard pose and copy and pasted look let’s you uh

Project what you want on them

[arctic talon]

Put a bunch of them in formation

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

That’s the one upside 3e marines had

Over the plastic tactical kit

[dusk patrol]

Also it was easier to hide all my dudes behind cover

[arctic talon]

In that you could pose them all the exact same because that was the only pose

[dusk patrol]

Now my guys get domed by LoS way more

Thanks GW

[serene mist]

I said the pauldrons have katakana on them
That's Japanese writing you genius

Not katana

Katakana

[arctic talon]

did you know I'm blind

My bad lmao

[serene mist]

Possibly

lol

All good

[dusk patrol]

What’s worse, being right, or being a weeb

[serene mist]

I lived in Japan for four years
I'm already fucked in one of those regards
Might as well have both

[arctic talon]

Based

[north lotus]

Hey, as long as you aren’t a tau fanboy I’ll take it

[honest trellis]

Kinda do

[arctic talon]

Eh

Pose wise no

I like the “modern” Tacticals

But not the old ones

They’re goofy

[honest trellis]

Ints basically are clones at least 3e had missiles n flamers

[arctic talon]

Eh

Ints look better as units

Pose wise

The 3e marines all had the same pose

The weapon across the chest

Or for heavy weapons over the shoulder

Or just late 3e marines

Look better then the really old ones

4e and late 3e are when marines became the marines I like pose wise

[rose gyro]

Blood Raven

[north lotus]

They aren’t gypsies prince of pleasure, that’s Romania.

Anyways another example of military aid is Israel

The main reason that there’s a lack of m16a1 parts kits on the US market is Israel happens to have a significant amount of them as well as m4’s and colt 653’s

Also for anyone wanting to collect surplus, I wouldn’t recommend Israel for gun’s to be reliable. They shoot the piss out of them

[nocturne crest]

Or build your own.

[north lotus]

I’m saying more so “I want to collect surplus” kinda thing

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[north lotus]

Because they have some nice guns like Hungarian highpowers or cz75’s. But the condition they tend to be in is just awful.

[nocturne crest]

From overuse?

[north lotus]

Police surp, so quite definitely.

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[winter ridge]

def. 3rd ed space marines are the most op/hard core

[honest trellis]

also the back banners really are notably absent from Primaris

sure they're not for everyone but they'd do a lot to break up the unit profile

[north lotus]

The 3rd ed also shows a magical time in tabletop gaming

1998

[north lotus]

Better pic

In my opinion water colors work best for warhammer art, as it can have a almost abstract feeling to some cases.

John Blanche’s work in my opinion kinda gets the feel down

Hope? Long gone, a empire wrought with suffering and strife.
Progress? A laughably foolish blunder that will cause worse strife.
For you see, there is no reason in this millenia, only slaughter and the laughter of thirsting gods.

[north lotus]

And goddamn, do these creations show that vibe

[rose thorn]

wait why do people say that lorgar is bad and poorly written? I’ve listened to the first heretic and he is amazing

I haven’t read his book lorgar yet tho

<3 beloved lorgar

[crisp heath]

The First Heretic is just a really good book

The thing is, even when Lorgar is written well, he's still a prick and a dingus

[rose thorn]

I 100% get what he was going thoguh, I sympathize the fuck out of lorgar.

Your life’s purpose and work is thrown away by someone you trusted because it wasn’t how they wanted it. So you turn your passion to obsession and abuse.

[rose gyro]

"The God is real, and He hates us"

[rose thorn]

Mood

Funnily I don’t like religion, but I love the word bearers

[rose gyro]

interestingly, the same words are used again in Black Legion

"The Gods are real, and they hate us"

[rose thorn]

And I legit trust everything lorgar says

[rose thorn]

I haven’t actually read black legion yet

[rose gyro]

[rose thorn]

Like, he believes in what he preaches lmao

Which is a lot more then you can say for uhhh

Everyone else in 40k

[rose gyro]

Lorgar is right

there are Gods, and the Emperor is a God

[rose thorn]

100%

[rose gyro]

yet he failed to pass the test

[rose thorn]

The test he was going to fail no matter what

Because it was rigged against him every step of the way

[rose gyro]

some Loyalists within the Word Bearers believe that the Emperor is testing them

then Lorgar and most of the legion failed

[nocturne crest]

BTW, here's an odd question.

[rose gyro]

and that's the very point of a test

they want you to fail, at least, most of you

only the true faithful can pass

[rose thorn]

With the emperor’s test, the only way to actually pass wasn’t to take it in the first place

I will admit, WB did fuck all during the great crusade

[rose gyro]

say, I like Leman Russ' opinion in this matter

[nocturne crest]

||So I have been told that Angron apparently can't be banished anymore. Is it the same case for his daemon brothers?||

[rose thorn]

But the planets they did take over are still loyal to thsi day

[rose gyro]

"If He isn't a God, then He isn't"

"If He is a God, are you really want to argue with Him?!"

[rose thorn]

Context?

[rose gyro]

I think it came from a talk between Russ and another Primarch

[rose thorn]

Ah

[rose gyro]

though I don't remember where it came from

[rose thorn]

I actually don’t get why most of the primarchs hated lorgar lmao

[rose gyro]

since Russ came from a world with religion himself

[rose gyro]

he IS a dixk

[rose thorn]

Yah but him and magnus get along really well

And uhHhHHH

Fulgrim! Lorgar actually liked fulgrim

Both pre and post heresy

[rose gyro]

nope

[rose thorn]

Well besides when he got possessed

Lorgar was fucking pissed

[rose gyro]

Fulgrim tastes Lorgar's blood in Slaves to Darkness

basically betraying Lorgar by siding with Horus'

[rose thorn]

Oh

Damn but yeah the chaos gods did lorgar dirty

And kinda just forgor about him and his sons

Did they even attend the siege of Terra?

[rose gyro]

Lorgar got kicked out before the siege

much of the Word Bearers did take part, though

[rose thorn]

Ah

[rose gyro]

||and got their arses kicked||

[nocturne crest]

Ah

[rose thorn]

Yeah WB always lose

And I hate it

[nocturne crest]

||Didn't Perty leave the siege?||

[rose gyro]

Yes.

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[rose gyro]

the only Traitor Primarch who's actually doing something

[rose thorn]

I did like when the WBs during the 13th crusade went to offer people salvation with chaos. ||and then gunned down anyone who refused||

[rose gyro]

before he yeeted

[nocturne crest]

||So has he gone off to create his eternal fortress then?||

[rose gyro]

no idea, that's after the Heresy

and there is this "Iron Cage" thing

but with all regards, Fulgrim is the best Traitor Primarch

[nocturne crest]

Hell, maybe when they get to writing that part of the 30k history out, we'll see what daemon Primarch Perturabo looks like.

[rose gyro]

well, Warsmith Honsou met him in 40K

[rose thorn]

YEAAAAA

I like lorgar barely slightly more

[idle phoenix]

What's the lore behind Mortis Operative gear? Is it mortis like chaos? Or just a unique "edgy skin just for darktide"

[rose gyro]

Perturabo didn't change much it seems

[nocturne crest]

Huh.

[honest trellis]

uhhhhhhh

they did a LOT

Like their censure was because they slowed down to convert worlds

then post-censure they speedran conquest

[rose thorn]

Ah fair

[honest trellis]

mortis is "kill"

[rose gyro]

mortis means death

[idle phoenix]

True, but I wanted to know more about the operation that the morti operati participate in

(if there even was lore)-- are we to assume that the "top secret" organization is a deathsquad? Maybe there's no answer, was just looking for more info. Thanks all!

[rose gyro]

do you mean "Kill Team"?

it was just a squad in a tactical mission

[north lotus]

Remember, part of the secret with understanding warhammer names is try and take pop culture Latin and insert it in your naming

Or using ancient words out of left field.

[earnest snow]

Any new arcade games added to the Palace of Slaanesh?

Been a while since I gamed there

[rose gyro]

they do, though none should be mentioning here XD

[earnest snow]

I'm coming to play le arcade :D!

[open aurora]

I’m new to the 40K community where should i start lore wise

[arctic talon]

For like a general overview of the universe I’d recommend the 8th edition rule book

And sail the 7 seas for it

[open aurora]

A rule book?

[arctic talon]

It’s got lore in it

A lot of it

It’s where all important 40k lore is

In rule books

[open aurora]

Okay

[arctic talon]

This isn’t even a joke I’m being dead serious

[open aurora]

Oh i know

i’m researching into it right now

Dark tides my first game.

there’s so many different “8th editions.”

do you have a link

[arctic talon]

https://archive.org/details/warhammer40k8thedition/page/n16/mode/1up?view=theater

This one @open aurora

It’s the core rule book for 8th edition

[open aurora]

Do you have a link to the actual book?

[arctic talon]

It’s got a summary of every faction

[open aurora]

I’ll probably buy it

[arctic talon]

Unless you wana go hunting on eBay no

Since it’s 9th edition now

But the 9th edition rule book isn’t bad for lore

The 8th edition just goes in-depth on more dtuff

[open aurora]

Just texted me uncle he’s a big 40k nerd

he has it he’s sending it to me

[arctic talon]

Pog

Have fun with the lore in it

[open aurora]

I’m watching some videos on it right now

I appreciate the help

@arctic talon Quick question.

So i understand people are very religious towards the God Emperor of mankind, but is it actually like a touching form of religion?

like actual protection from prayers

[arctic talon]

Yesnt sometimes it works sometimes it doesn’t

Faith can manifest

But it isn’t omnipresent

[open aurora]

Is the god emperor a fraud?

[arctic talon]

No

[open aurora]

i’ve heard he’s dying or decaying

[arctic talon]

He doesn’t claim to be a god

And his physical form is decaying

His mental state is also really fucked up

[open aurora]

Is he a human? what is he

[arctic talon]

But he’s the strongest human psyker alive

Or rather “human”

He’s human but

With incredibly powerful psychic powers and immortality

[open aurora]

Parker uses the warp right

and warps like a hellish mirror?

[arctic talon]

Yes psykers use the warp

The warp is a mirror dimension

Sorta

[open aurora]

isn’t it like hell

[arctic talon]

Sorta?

[open aurora]

is there anyway for the god emperor to be healed?

or is his decay inevitable

[arctic talon]

Not a known way

The golden throne is failing

[open aurora]

one of his sons injured him right

[arctic talon]

And no one knows how to fix it

[open aurora]

after being like

[arctic talon]

Yeah Horus messed him up

[open aurora]

So humans are fucked

[arctic talon]

Yep

[open aurora]

Couldn’t they technically use the warp to go to a different timeline

[arctic talon]

Time travel isn't consistant in 40k

when it occurs its almost always an accident

exceptions being Necrons

[open aurora]

Damn

Never realised how fucked humans are

[arctic talon]

Humanity is inevitability doomed

thats a core aspect of 40k to an extent

[open aurora]

Unless they find a way to heal the god emperor

[undone zodiac]

The real abbadon

[arctic talon]

me when I find a funny joke on 1d4chan(its been dead for almost 6 years)

[undone zodiac]

Just like krieg shovel meme

Beautiful

Honestly only repeat joke i found annoying is the gas mask noises meme

[earnest snow]

I find it amusing. The Abaddon one. Because that means Abaddon blew up Cadia and looked at the Chaos gods and was like "LOOK MOM! DAD! GRANDPA! GRANDMA! I DID IT WITH NO HANDS!" like a small child would.

[hushed kayak]

The warhammer community tends to beat the dead horse joke a lot lmao

also, I am Alpharius

[earnest snow]

Its incredible how every community will beat up a dead horse. Elder Scrolls has the farm tools for Argonians, amongus has literally just the word amogus, 40k has the only entertaining joke that will go on for centuries: I am Alpharius, etc etc

Idk how anyone can deal with the Alpha Legion pulling that shit over and over

[topaz river]

Let’s not forget Trayzn the Infinite

[undone zodiac]

Well targets that he nicks vary thankfully

[unique berry]

Its Palm tree head!

[unique berry]

My boy carried the Siege until Mortarion became the leader of the siege for some reason and he just said "aight im out"

[rose gyro]

"Who's the best boi?"
"Who's doing the most in the siege?"
"Who shall lead the Warmaster's army in the field?"
"It's Mortarion!"

[solar canopy]

Peter Turbo might be a thin-skinned bitch but at least he knows how to do shit

[rose gyro]

at this point of the siege, the Traitors has no Primarchs left on Terra

Horus is the only one the have left

[echo vault]

What happened to angron

Mortarion I assume got banished back to the warp

[rose gyro]

||He died.||

||The Great Angel tore his spine out||

in Echoes of Eternity

[echo vault]

That shit must've hurted

[rose gyro]

||oh yes, Angron died in the most agonized way possible||

[echo vault]

God damn, you are right though it's only Horus everyone else is gone or dead

[unique berry]

Yeah he had a nice meeting with Grey Knights

[echo vault]

Proto grey knights and what not

[rose gyro]

well it was due to Khan at this point

[unique berry]

Oh right Siege of terra sry

[rose gyro]

who broke his heart

the Siege has broken basically the backs of both sides at this stage

while the loyalists got pushed back into the heart of Imperial Palace, the traitors lost all their Primarchs on the ground and the buck of their forces

[unique berry]

Well it could've ended a bit different if it wasnt for Horus

[vital kernel]

@rose gyro Fulgrim is on Terra but he is not actively engaged in the Siege.

[rose gyro]

he was taken off from the chessboard while the Emperor's Children has being decimated

but you are right, there is nothing about his whereabouts

since Dorn no longer worried about him, I assumed Fulgrim has left Terra

[vital kernel]

he just buggered off to destroy some hives on terra

[uncut plover]

All we know is that he just wants to pursue pleasure doing whatever.

That may include mutilating victims in various ways that it's artistic

[nocturne crest]

What about Omegon?

[rose gyro]

he wasn't present on Terra

[nocturne crest]

But the Alpha Legion are on Terra, right?

[rose gyro]

could be, as spies

but not as a legion or doing anything important

[celest dome]

Is there Valkia in 40k ? And if so does she have the same lore ?

[rose gyro]

No.

Valkia is purely a Fantasy character

we do have N'Kari though

who is Fulgrim's lover

[celest dome]

N'kari is the guy who betrayed Sigmar right ?

Who basically is a ref to Gilgamesh ?

[rose gyro]

nope, that's Azazel

[celest dome]

Then N'kari is the named Greater Daemon

[unique berry]

So many names

[celest dome]

Which is more comparable to Skarbrand

[crimson kayak]

Considering scab gunners use some kind of hellgun, would it be safe to compare them to be tempestus equivalent?

[mystic geyser]

Yeah based on a tempestus Scion with hotshot volleygun

[celest dome]

Not all stormtrooper are Scions though

They are like the Moebian Karskin/Grenadier...

[barren tapir]

They might be the in regiment equivalent to scions yes

Exactly like the kasrkin are for cadian regiments and the grenadiers are for krieg regiments... Or like the storm troopers are for steel legion regiments

[echo vault]

Hotshot lasguns aren't exclusive to scions though

They're just equipment for more elite units

[nocturne crest]

Has there been a case where a kriegsman has been made into a servitor?

[unique berry]

They dont live long enough to consider it

[fallen marsh]

Omegon is dead. He was the one killed by Dorn. They switched places when they got reunited for the first time

[rose gyro]

no, but they are cases where they were turned into Corpse-starch

[hallow saddle]

Iirc, N'Kari is currently banished in 40k - the Grey Knights 5th edition codex has a section where they pwn N'Kari. Also N'Kari doesn't have an actual model, but other Keepers of Secrets do, like Shallaxi Hellbane (a full plastic model as part of the Keeper of Secrets plastic kit) and Zaraknyel has a resin model from Forge World

so N'Kari I think features more in Warhammer fantasy than 40k for the most part

doesn't mean N'Kari can't come back at all though in 40k of course

[unique berry]

[hallow saddle]

[uncut plover]

I am hoping for a Kugath model after seeing him in Total War

a GUO on a Palanquin is the tits

[mystic geyser]

It's pretty sweet

There is a good stl about

[open marsh]

Yes but no. Calling either Alpharius or Omegon is basically an exercise in frustration.

It's easier to label them as the loyal brother and the traitor brother.

Dorn killed the traitor. Even tho the Traitor did not think he was really a traitor. Since he saw himself as fighting towards the Emperor's ultimate goal. It's just he misunderstood what the emperor's goals are

[barren tapir]

Oooooooohhhhhh shit... Didn't saw this name in eons

[open marsh]

Been busy with life stuff

[barren ether]

I guess this might be silly to some, however I’ve realized that the “Krieger” skin for the veteran is actually an Armageddon Steel Legion skin. So like anytime I see someone wearing the set, wielding a lucius pattern and a shovel, I remind myself of Helsreach and how the Steel Legion is superior to the boring ass Krieg in every way

[barren tapir]

There is no krieger skin

It has always been steel legion

And everyone was aware of it

Minus the ignorant of course

[barren ether]

Uhhh yeah no I have to respectfully disagree. Half the time I see the set in game it’s an rper role playing Krieg. Which is fine of course, however it is annoying

[barren tapir]

It doesn't matter if you disagree, it is not a krieger skin

[celest dome]

They are part of the ignorant

[barren tapir]

Reality doesn't care about opinions

[barren ether]

I’m aware it’s not Krieg. Read my message please. I don’t intend for that to sound rude btw

[barren tapir]

Yeah, i read you, i got that you know it is not krieger

[barren ether]

Yes. And it was an observation my mans. That’s all lol

[open marsh]

Correct

[open marsh]

If they wanted to roleplay as a Krieger. They wouldn't use a shovel because the Death Korp of Krieg don't do that

[simple sparrow]

One thing I don’t get is why their outfits look so old fashioned for the 41st century lol

Or the 41st millennium

[north lotus]

If we wanted some fun, have different styles of armor have different benifits

[celest dome]

There are Feudal worlds in 40k

[north lotus]

Have it be like the original insurgency game

[simple sparrow]

I guess I just think of the year 40,000 and think of super high tech everything

[rose gyro]

we saw N'Kari in Slaves to Darkness

who is doing "something" with Fulgrim

[north lotus]

No armor, flak armor, carapace armor. Each more armored than the last, and thus slower.

[rose gyro]

Krieg actually uses a different helmet

[celest dome]

Would lead to some cosmetic being optimal/meta which is a tad annoying

[rose gyro]

a hybrid between French and German ones