40k-lore-chat

[honest trellis]

even in the arks

abaddon may think he's in charge...but who's the actual owner of all that fancy new technology eh

hint hint

[brittle slate]

I do like the arcs being made into functional ships

I just don’t see why this vash guy is the way to do it

[honest trellis]

Vash is the first time I've been legit interested in Chaos as a supernatural force in a long time

[barren tapir]

wink wink

[dusk patrol]

Why not?

[brittle slate]

If you wanted dark admech to do something incredible= let them be the impetus for it

[honest trellis]

Vash as a spirit of creation and innovation literally has it in his nature

[brittle slate]

Binding daemons was a cool knack they had

[honest trellis]

hell he should be the PATRON for darkmech

[dusk patrol]

Like it was always gonna be a made up Dark Mech dude anyways

[brittle slate]

Right but he just seems wedged in

[honest trellis]

tbh Chaos has needed some sort of coherent theology for "the omnissiah" for ages

[brittle slate]

Like centurion armor

[honest trellis]

I mean that's any retcon

[dusk patrol]

It was always gonna be someone wedged in

[honest trellis]

the soul forge has existed for a long time

[brittle slate]

I would have preferred if he was an admech magos that ascended

[dusk patrol]

That’s how you introduce new characters

[honest trellis]

so have warpsmiths

ehhhh

[brittle slate]

Like perty

[honest trellis]

too human

Vash isn't human

never was

I loveeee that intro trailer

really helps sell that "this is something extremely unnatural"

TBH vash is begging for like

[barren tapir]

It is the reflection in the warp of the invention and ingenuity of living beings, a warped one though

[honest trellis]

"you see the true form of the Omnissiah. Roll 3d10 San loss."

[barren tapir]

AH! Jokes on you, i don't have any

[honest trellis]

Seriously I hope they give Vash some competent short stories

the concept is BEGGING for some great horror

like this is "living" proof that the "Omnissiah" exists...and is not friendly

[brittle slate]

That just feels tzeench to me. Either way

[honest trellis]

nah like

Tzeentch is formless by definition

change for change's sake

[dusk patrol]

There’s always been overlap between warp entities

[honest trellis]

mutation, sorcery, madness

Vashtorr to me is almost "orderly" in the most horrifying way

[brittle slate]

Vash doesn’t expressly bother me it just feels uninspired

[honest trellis]

TBH I love the "machine god" energy

[brittle slate]

If they had gone with the machine god concept I’d be down

[dusk patrol]

It remains to be seen if it’ll be interesting but I enjoy the idea for now

[honest trellis]

TBF lore is very thin on the ground

[dusk patrol]

Considering how little we know of it

[honest trellis]

But "god of warpsmith fuckery/daemon engines" is a great start

honestly even if GW fucks it up

this is amazing homebrew fodder

[brittle slate]

I honestly think that that’s the way of things now

Ever since the majority of the old guard went out starting in 2017 up til last year

There’s just very thin very noncommittal lore

And I’m tired of the “wait and see” argument because dad said he’d be going out for a gallon of milk

After a few years I think he’s just gone

I think 40k is just thin on lore period.

It makes sense from a business perspective.

[honest trellis]

tbh they badly fucked over lore with a 9e change

They cut out the lore entries for each unit

[brittle slate]

There’s no way they can piss off anyone.

Anyway- I also find it off how Angron is being ordered by Abbaddon

[honest trellis]

Yeah that's gonna be very weird as presented

[brittle slate]

And the timeline.

[honest trellis]

yeah that's not smart and I don't like it

[brittle slate]

Which is now backed by the fanboy sounding “time means nothing in 40k”

I always loved timeline entries

[honest trellis]

no stakes no sense of presence in a setting yeah

[brittle slate]

But if they keep everything dialed to a 3 then they can’t make any mistakes.

Primaris are obviously just space marines now, you know?

[honest trellis]

Almost as good as "Chaos canonically sucks and has no wargear"

as a design choice

don't get me started on Primaris and the absolute neglect of firstborn

they're still patting themselves on the back for rereleasing series 1 of Firstborn heroes again

[brittle slate]

Lol

I am truly hoping for a hard restart for Farsight

The model being hinted looks stereotypical but cool

I’m really truly hoping he goes back to being a badass

My only concern is that they end up doing a tau civil war or that he becomes chaos.

[celest dome]

Tbh I like the Prinaris mini, but I dislike their lore, would have preferred for them to still be normal Marines but sold as True Scale or something

[honest trellis]

the minis annoy me too because they're why we aren't getting mk 7

mk 7 is just flat out better as a design and a default mark

[dusk patrol]

Implying Power Armor didn’t peak at MkIII

Or Mk.IV

[celest dome]

Power Armour peak at the moment my Melta Gun melt the Space Marine into a puddle

[brittle slate]

I think they do too

[brittle slate]

You could do a whole headcanon campaign about chaos forces falling on the ammunition worlds behind the Cadian line

[dusk patrol]

The major chaos factions, like the Red Corsairs, Black Legions, Word Bearers and so on have always had proper supply lines and Dark Mech forge worlds to arm them, it’s more just the smaller warbands who have issues with supplies.

Like the Night Lord trilogy is following a pretty minor and poorly supported Warband

And in books like Lords of Silence or the Word Bearers trilogy, or Kharn’s books we see that supplies aren’t an issue and scavenging, while sometimes still done, isn’t a necessity, and is often ignored.

[brittle slate]

Red corsairs still raid imperial worlds for material and resources

The chaos legions have always been portrayed as having less than their imperial counterparts

From raw resources to geneseed

That’s always been a theme

[dusk patrol]

In Huron’s book it’s very clear that half the raiding is just to grow the fortune so to speak.

He’s not lacking in anything

He’s a pirate and he enjoys just having more

It’s not like they have no reason to pillage Imperium worlds for supplies but they’re not lacking in them for the major factions

Especially for the rarer tech

[brittle slate]

Storm of Iron, gaunts ghosts, gothic war- but you know what, I don’t care.

[honest trellis]

Iron Warriors, Word Bearers and don't even get me started on Black legion

hell

the BL outright has literally the whole geneseed reserve post storm of iron

[dusk patrol]

Kharn books, Word Bearers trilogy, Lords of Silence, whatever Huron’s book was called, all show they’re not lacking in supplies, they just like to get more. Hell even Bile’s books show this.

[honest trellis]

my irritation is that Chaos should have either lots more heresy relic options or more arcane wargear

ruleswise

[dusk patrol]

The Black Legion books are showing the inception of the Black Legion so it makes sense they’re lacking in supplies then

Pandorax

[brittle slate]

Using chaos abilities was always the thing that counterbalance their relatively smaller numbers and less capable reserves

[dusk patrol]

The main thing they really do go out of their way to get is more ships or tech that isn’t easily made by anyone and geneseed

[brittle slate]

Since 30k

[dusk patrol]

And the ships thing is done by everyone half the time

[honest trellis]

I mean "relatively smaller numbers" is a bit silly in itself honestly but problem is neither rules nor really lore accurately account for chaos abilities...other than Chaos losing access to a bunch of tanks for dinobots

bring back kai guns

[brittle slate]

Lol

[brittle slate]

Just to change subjects

I hope they give tyranids more types of armies

And looking over old lore, a way they could do it could be by making a few more Zoat models and allow to bring back mind control

Tyranids are supposed to be the big bad that’s coming. But no one really plays them

If they had more armies it would feel more represented in the community

The most diversity in the setting is obviously the imperium (and it does get boring without a big contentious thing happening) then chaos, but it drops off pretty sharply after that, as does the population of players per faction.

[celest dome]

Yes, kinda of a self fulfilling prophecy, less Xenos interst mean less Xenos units mean less Xenos interest

But for the Tyranids, I think they should get a sorta separate Gang for Necromunda

In addition to GSC Gang

[hollow sigil]

So I watched some Youtube videos regarding Darktide & I was wondering whether it's true that help isn't coming for Atoma Prime? Has the Empire abandoned them?

[celest dome]

Well at the moment no help seem to be on the way

Most of the Imperium is fighting Chaos about everywhere, or Xenos

[hollow sigil]

Well yeah. But somehow my heart sank at the realization if they're left to fend for themselves. Would be a very existential grim darkness to a live-service game. Knowing that each mission you take is a desperate gamble to put out fires faster than they appear.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a common trope for the setting

[brittle slate]

I don’t think there is less xenos interest

[dusk patrol]

But more importantly it’s to justify the mechanics of the game

[shadow plover]

it may come but Atoma Prime is just a single planet among billions

[dusk patrol]

And why the Inquisitor is doing what he does

Single planet among millions

But yeah

Really a million more

[shadow plover]

even having an inquisitor and it's retinue to help is pretty good luck

[dusk patrol]

Also you know, it’s easier to write a underdog story than to explain why we’re sending just four dudes against hundreds of Chaos guardsmen and cultists

Same thing for Vermintide, reinforcements are too sparse and the worlds going to shit so it justifies why our small band is being sent in by themselves

It’s not a 1:1 but that’s the general idea

Plus a lot of our missions in Darktide is just us setting up the local Guard and PDF forces for their bigger offensive

[honest trellis]

Atoma Prime is significant TBF but travel and coordination in 40k is not reliable

[crimson kayak]

Yep, remember we are not the main force, that would be as eternal said the local pdf and guards, we are more like special forces atm.

Also remember that the current situation is not an invasion but an uprising of sorts, sure, the local nurgle cult is supported by the best guards in the sector, but the whole thing is still in it's infancy considering we are only recently moving through the middle part of the Hive (and even then it's basically only abandoned structures)

[honest trellis]

You are basically it in terms of short term effective response

Like if Atoma Prime falls, that's bad...for the Moebian Domain

if things keep escalating, it'd probably be full on war to reclaim the systems...especially since Moebians are supposed to deal with the actual outside threat

the Darktide

[crimson kayak]

Tbf that's three sectors worth of planets+ all the darktide forces gaining a new foothold

[honest trellis]

Yep.

Like this is already escalating well beyond your average Inquisition problem/cult uprising

the point for that was "oh fuck the Moebians turned"

[crimson kayak]

I'm pretty sure with the live service model we will see for ourselves in game when the situation on atoma will escalate into full on warfare

[brittle slate]

It might not be possible to “escalate” though

Like this frigate might be it

[honest trellis]

I meant escalating on the heretical side

[celest dome]

Could also escalate on our side by doing deep strikes inside Dreg or Scab stronghold, going on more daring missions and stuff

[brittle slate]

Oh- yeah I think this planet’s toast

I would prefer it not just be exterminatus because that’s the way it usually goes in 40k games

But I dunno. Not really enough lore to understand any of it on the surface

[celest dome]

Well we aren't even on a Vrack situation they didn't glass the planet, and I suppose we aren't yet at this severity of situation

[dusk patrol]

They say outright they can’t send any signals out I believe

Which is the main issue

[honest trellis]

TBH even in a worst case exterminatus is unlikely

Vraks was a fortress world, worst case is they retake the hive block by block

population is redundant, the industry isn't

[brittle slate]

Fair point

[hollow sigil]

So what's the deal with Yvraine? Was the resurrection a convenient joint-ploy from the Eldar to take over Guilliman, or have they allied with the Imperium now?

[north lotus]

http://i0.wp.com/www.yentelman.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/06/Nicolas-Cage-as-Yuri-Orlov.jpg

[arctic talon]

They wanted him alive to strengthen the imperium so that chaos would have a harder time messing with what the Ynnari were doing

And considering the great rift was forming

The imperium needed guilliman to not fall apart

[storm jungle]

And to add, theres no alliance

they just helped out for their own reasons then just went off to do their own thing

[hollow sigil]

that's nice. very convenient for both sides.

[signal bramble]

The Eldar recognize humanity as a necessary evil to help keep the forces of the galaxy at bay.

The deldar also see us as prey.

[crimson kayak]

I mean, as long as we keep speaking planetside only then it can escalate further than what we have now, but yeah, I don't think any of the two parties will receive true reinforcement due to "keeping the stalemate" and the fact that the rest of the Moebian ig is still fighting In the frontier

[serene mist]

To be honest I'd like to see an escalation of mission objectives even if our own forces aren't reinforced. Rapid assaults via Valkyrie to destroy bridges which the enemy is crossing, acting as spotter for artillery, escorting priests to launch bio agents into the water supply, etc

Eventually it gets to "assassinate this Death guard guy who is in the region coordinating stuff"

At which point we all cry because god no

[fallen dune]

remember that big amalgamation of minis my dad had that we were going through one night?

I confront him about that mess of different chapters

apparently it was an inquisition army or smth like that back in 1989ish so that's why he also had an Inquisitor in Terminator armor.

[arctic talon]

jfc lol

[storm jungle]

yeah Inquisitor minis were literally almost all in terminator armor back in the day lol

[brittle slate]

Well they also need to figure out how the golden throne works

Cammoragh is dying because of the Dysjunction

(The… perfect time to attack it imo)

[brittle slate]

Does happen.

[wary mesa]

I have a theory

when the psyker are talking about their beloved, I was thinking the were talking about big E. But I now think they are talking about their GUN

[north lotus]

As it turns out, the inquisition leads by example

[plush mason]

but many dont even use guns

[north lotus]

Under 6+ inches of plasteel

[wary mesa]

ok so in this case STAFF

[plush mason]

nah its a voice in their head, what that voice is we dont know

[north lotus]

I think it’s to Biggie.

[wary mesa]

mine said to her beloved "yes hit it in the head"

[plush mason]

its ether big e, some warp entity, some daemon, or they are just schizos lol

[wary mesa]

and, not saying beloved, she asked "why don't you shoot" when I had no more ammo

[plush mason]

yeah psykers talk to their guns sometimes

[wary mesa]

Might be a mix of all of that, but in my book she's now officially talking to her gun

[plush mason]

fair

[storm jungle]

Commorragh isn't dying. There's just a few breaches that are being handled.

[storm jungle]

Again, you cannot attack Commorragh.

[wary mesa]

A funny line was that she dreamt of an Empire without any taxes and her beloved really liked that so I think her beloved commits taxes fraud

[storm jungle]

its literally an endless pocket dimension

you could send the entirety of the Imperium's forces in there and they'd still get fucked

[north lotus]

Related

[brittle slate]

Cadia couldn’t fall, you know?

[storm jungle]

Cadia is a planet

not an infinite dimension

[brittle slate]

… I mean, we can actually talk about this if you want?

[storm jungle]

I mean sure?

you are literally comparing a planet to an unexplainable endless realm

[plush mason]

in autocratic regimes the leader never pays taxes so cant be committing tax fraud if you dont have to pay them

[storm jungle]

its like me comparing a continent to a part of space

[brittle slate]

1. Commoragh has been attacked before.

2. The Dysjunction is currently crippling the realm.

3. There was just a civil war.

4. There are more slaves in Commoragh than Eldar

5. There are all kinds of reasons to attack it.

[plush mason]

the forces required to destroy commorragh would far far outweigh any benefit to doing so. so the deldar are safe

[brittle slate]

It’s a question of absolutes and the bs of saying “that could never happen”

Anything can always happen to the “impossible” that’s what makes for an opportunity

[plush mason]

to do what?

waste a shit ton of resources removing pests?

[celest dome]

Isn't the problem with attacking Commorag that Practically no one know where it is ?

[storm jungle]

1. Commorragh has been attacked before and it has always been dealt with. The only "succesful" attack to Commorragh has been orchestrated by Vect to destroy a few spires so that he could take over.

2. We literally had no lore since 8th edition on what the dysjunction is doing, Vect is pretty much killing anyone that sides with the ynnari and has a lot of supporters.

3. Those slaves can literally do nothing.

4. Sure but you still cant

like

theres a difference between

"we are on a space ship as slaves, lets take over it"

to

"lets take over commorragh"

when uh

you know

dark eldar can literally melt you with stolen suns

or black holes

You have no chance.

[plush mason]

that too. the only time it was "attacked" was when vect let some imperial forces in to kill off the noble houses so he could take over

[storm jungle]

You can pretty much only fuck the Dark Eldar up when they are in realspace, in Commorragh they are virtually untouchable.

[plush mason]

yeah

[storm jungle]

Unless you are chaos daemons you can literally do nothing.

[brittle slate]

1. “Always been dealt with” doesn’t preclude it not happening again.

2. Wraight’s books reference the realm falling apart since their need to figure out how the throne works.

3. There’s no logic in that statement.

Like your argument is “nuh uh”

[brittle slate]

The Dysjunction.

[storm jungle]

1. And it doesn't really matter? Like, they repel every assault either way?

2. The throne failing hasn't affected them at all.

3. yes there is

[brittle slate]

Which are literally overrunning it currently.

[storm jungle]

how the fuck can some random ass slaves take over a pocket dimension

you do realise its literally endless right

that and like, the dark eldar got uh, guns

and literal weaponized dark matter

[brittle slate]

How the fuck can random slaves do anything. Vect was a slave. He’s now a dark muse.

[storm jungle]

BECAUSE HES SMART

[brittle slate]

Like- that’s the most entitled opinion of every despot that’s ever existed

[storm jungle]

AND NOT SOME SCARED RANDOM IMPERIAL SLAVE

[celest dome]

Slave but a Dark Eldar

[storm jungle]

^

[brittle slate]

“Sire, the slaves are rebelling!”

[celest dome]

Not a Mon'key

[brittle slate]

“Impossible.”

Every race in 40k is inside of commoragh

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar can put down any slave rebellion with ease I really got no idea what you are getting at here.

you act like they dont know anything the slaves get up to

[brittle slate]

… THE DYSJUNCTION

[celest dome]

The slaves are rebelling?

Good I wanted to have some fun melting them into a boat

[storm jungle]

^

[brittle slate]

like do you not know what that is?

[storm jungle]

The dysjunction literally has nothing to do with this lmao

[serene mist]

I will point out though that a Space Marine blademaster champion whatever-the-heck was put up against one of the premier Dark Eldar gladiator folks and got his ass handed to him over several hours

Dark Eldar do a lot

tbh

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much

[brittle slate]

Dysjunction: A Dysjunction is an event in the Webway which is sometimes triggered by the Dark Eldar or other creatures in Commorragh. During a Dysjunction, the fabric of the Warp mixes with that of the Webway, causing daemons to pour out at unexpected places.

There’s been 1 before

[storm jungle]

I know the lore yes.

[crisp heath]

You make it sound like slave revolts are easy. If they were, why did it take a war with an outside power to stop slavery/destroy the society of the American south or Aztec triple alliance?

[brittle slate]

And it was smaller than the one happening now

[storm jungle]

Also this lmao

like i said its easy when you are like

slaves rebelling in a single ship

[brittle slate]

You want me to list the number of slave revolts that were successful?

[serene mist]

I will say tho that the Dysfunction should fuck up the Dark Eldar significantly

Because it's a god-awful-time

Pun intended

[storm jungle]

We literally got canon examples of slave "revolts" in commorragh

the dark eldar basically encourage them constantly

[brittle slate]

Not during a Dysjunction.

The Dysjunction literally throws the rules out.

[storm jungle]

It doesnt

how the fuck can a daemonic invasion make a slave revolt easier when you can get killed by warp-storms and daemons too

[celest dome]

In the event of a Dysjunction as a slave rebellion would be the last of my worries

[storm jungle]

^

this is like saying a slave revolt is the perfect time to be triggered during a chaos invasion/GSC uprising, you'll just have even more shit to deal with and die in droves in the process

[celest dome]

If Daemon are there I'm doing anything to not be noticed (jk jk, I try to jump into thr Warp to see what it does)

[crisp heath]

As a fantasy society, the deldar work fine and don't ruin the suspension of disbelief. I'm not a fan of them, but it's not like they're a super implausible faction in the setting.

[brittle slate]

It’s a painfully obvious trope that the best time for a prison break is when, oh I dunno, there’s been a breach in the wall.

Like this doesn’t take rocket science

[storm jungle]

what breach

in the skies?

like

commorragh is literally brainfuck logic-wise

buildings jut form every angle

[serene mist]

I will say though that a lot of the Dark Eldar slaves would still be pretty deadly against Daemons
Like you have Space Marines and shit in there. Nearly every species in existence

[storm jungle]

streets shift

spires move

[celest dome]

Non euclidean space

[storm jungle]

this isnt some imperial mining world revolt where you know where to go

[brittle slate]

This is painful.

[storm jungle]

Yeah it is lol

[serene mist]

It's not as though they'd be completely fucked because they're slaves, they'd still be relatively OK, but it'd be very very hard on all parties involved

[brittle slate]

Like the level of hubris is at nazi levels of bad guy in a bad action movie

[storm jungle]

ıts not

[brittle slate]

You are.

[storm jungle]

dark eldar actually plan these things lol

[celest dome]

It's not the 1st time Greebles has an opinion and defend it adamantly

[brittle slate]

… NOT THE DYSJUNCTION

[storm jungle]

"Yes guys this is the perfect place to do a slave revolt"

WHAT DOES IT MATTER IF ITS THE DYSJUCNTION

[crisp heath]

I mean we also have to take into account that most of these slaves are probably severely disabled because a deldar's favorite passtime is removing a limb and then putting it into an orifice that may or may not have existed an hour ago

[storm jungle]

LOOK AT THE PICTURE

WHERE THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA GO

[brittle slate]

Anywhere but your cell.

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

[plush mason]

you do understand that the webway is a metaphysical place not unlike the warp right?

[storm jungle]

the toxic streets

the poison rivers

the mandrake alleys

[brittle slate]

Like the basis of every prison break movie is basically the antithesis of your entire opinion.

[storm jungle]

Its not

like

[serene mist]

Issue I have with that idea is that you'd still get a bunch of SM who are relatively "intact" because Dark Eldar also love doing gladiator combat

[storm jungle]

literally no

[serene mist]

So having an original model SM is cool and shit

kek

[brittle slate]

Alcatraz. Andor. Naverien. Prison Break.

[celest dome]

And go right on a trap, or the pointy end of a Daemon stick

[plush mason]

those prisons are nothing like Commorragh bro

[brittle slate]

Like “oh I’m in a hell prison. Guess I’ll just stay”

Face off

[storm jungle]

This.

like

[brittle slate]

Escape from New York

[serene mist]

Can I point out that some SM get the wonderful option of being Librarians and opening portals into the Warp

[storm jungle]

why are you comparing a concrete building to an endless hell pocket dimension

[plush mason]

"better the hell you know than the hell you dont"

[brittle slate]

Like- every popular story about prison breaks? You’re the warden.

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar lobotimize any psykers they get

including space marines to a point

[celest dome]

Psyker most likely get special treatments

[brittle slate]

Hellraiser.

[crisp heath]

There's different logistics when your prison is an island with a a few dozen guards and when your prison is a constantly expanding, non-euclidean city with hundreds of thousands of guards

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY THIS.

[serene mist]

Fair enough I suppose, don't really look into Dark Eldar lore often

[brittle slate]

Hellraiser 2… through like 8

[crisp heath]

They don't allow psykers in Commorragh at all because it attracts the attention of Slaanesh

[storm jungle]

Yeah again, slave revolts are something they are always prepared for. Once you are in Commorragh you are never going to escape.

[celest dome]

Why would Hellraiser matter ?

[storm jungle]

theres been only like

[serene mist]

I'd say that's not an absolute tbh

[storm jungle]

2 canon characters in lore that did the escape

[storm jungle]

Its mostly an absolute because you cannot operate webway portals

if it was in realspace you could escape easily

[serene mist]

Dark Eldar roll with mercenaries and I imagine the idea of "Eeeeeh just throw some fucks out there to die and soak up fire" could sorta work

ish

Sorta

[storm jungle]

Mercenaries make up a small part of their forces

96% of kabals are full drukhari

[crisp heath]

are you counting Cain in this? It's never explicitly said he was kidnapped by Drukhari, just "Eldar", but it's strongly implied

[storm jungle]

well that and the mercs they hire are also aliens

[brittle slate]

The escape from a hellish realm

Actually literally hell

[earnest snow]

Is there another bad take in this channel again?

[serene mist]

A small part of the forces for thousands of folks left and right tbh though, Dilara

That's still gotta be a notable chunk of folks

[storm jungle]

I dont think Cain was ever taken to Commorragh, just kept in captivity

they took like 2 fingers from him

which is okay'ish

[celest dome]

Someone is Spartacus ing Commoragh

[brittle slate]

Yes- turns out when you’re being in prison any chance to possibly get out of prison is stupid.

Like those Salamanders should have just stayed locked up in their cells.

Because what’s the point.

[plush mason]

again this is not a normal prison

[earnest snow]

Like the others said. Its Commorragh.

[storm jungle]

^

[earnest snow]

Literally learn the lore

[serene mist]

Although I would wonder
Is the prison cell you're in safer than the outside, even in Commorragh

[brittle slate]

There have literally been prison breaks before

[storm jungle]

Again

I repeat

[earnest snow]

Learn the lore

[celest dome]

Yes

[storm jungle]

HOW DO YOU DO A REVOLT IN THIS PLACE.

[brittle slate]

You first.

And what a shit comment.

[earnest snow]

Lmao

[brittle slate]

Here’s a better exercise- how do you?

[serene mist]

Is it, though...?
Like, does your prison cell have inbuilt anti-Daemon-sexx measures?

[storm jungle]

[brittle slate]

What happens when it breaks?

Like- I’m loving all the absolute shitting on this extremely basic idea this is

[serene mist]

No I'm asking "Does the cell have these defenses"

[brittle slate]

But let’s just try it

[storm jungle]

Greebles be like

"Guys trust me, we can get out of here ez pz. Just like Alcatraz."

[serene mist]

Is the cell a safe place

[celest dome]

Mate, if some people were disagreeing and other were agreeing then sure you'd have the benefit of the doubt, but please, you're alone in your belief

[earnest snow]

No idea if you know this Greebles, but 40k isn't our own real world

lmao

[brittle slate]

So explain how people have broken out.

[serene mist]

In a Daemon incursion, does the cell have defenses that can prevent a Daemon popping up in your cell to have a nice snack

[brittle slate]

I have precedence. There have been slave revolts and there have been breakouts.

[serene mist]

Granted, does the area outside the cell have any of these defenses

[brittle slate]

If this is such an insane shit take I’m taking- explain how this could have happened

[earnest snow]

[celest dome]

No, but safer to stay where the Daemon has no real reason to go than to go where it is

[brittle slate]

What?

[serene mist]

ffs Greebles you spazzing out left and right isn't helping me form my thoughts jesus

[storm jungle]

The conditions of "cells" are entirely dependant on the kabal that is keeping the slaves.

Its mostly "pens" more than cells since Dark Eldar kidnap people in the millions to billions planetary population wise. They take countermeasures against revolts and warp incursions very closely since they are pretty much the master slaver pro-strategist in the setting.

[brittle slate]

And yet none of you have responded to me.

There have been break outs.

There have been revolts.

[storm jungle]

Most slave revolts that happen in Commorragh are entirely orchestrated.

And are always put down.

[earnest snow]

^

[crisp heath]

I mean even if it's just like Alcatraz, the only people who may have escaped that real-world prison are generally believed to have died in the attempt and just never had their bodies found

[brittle slate]

Most.

So not all.

[celest dome]

Revolts that were violently repressed

[storm jungle]

You cant do shit against a fully armored kabalite when you are wearing fucking shit-stained rags and shivs.

[brittle slate]

And yet.

There have been.

[crisp heath]

So even in the real world, inescapable, riot-proof prisons do exist, and it's not hard to believe the drukhari would just crank that up to 11

[storm jungle]

And yet.

[plush mason]

the Deldar let them so they could have some fun. the Deldar feed on pain and fear and what better way to milk those than by giving a little bit of hope before you crush it

[storm jungle]

There have also been a lot less.

[serene mist]

Prison wallet bolter is truly a mood tbh

[storm jungle]

For real 💀

[brittle slate]

So now that there’s an established 1% of success.

[storm jungle]

no

lmao

they orchestrate those escapes

[brittle slate]

… why no.

[storm jungle]

man

im gonna go get the fucking excerpt

holy shit

[crisp heath]

Keister a lascannon, cowarrd

[storm jungle]

[plush mason]

please do

[serene mist]

So in theory, in the case of this incursion nonsense by Daemons, slaves "Fortifying" their cell would be the best bet in actually surviving the incursion

[earnest snow]

The Dark Eldar would never let their slaves escape their machinations

[brittle slate]

… Jesus Christ.

[brittle slate]

“Let”?

[serene mist]

Who are the two characters that got out of Commorragh?

The actually like...named ones

Who did it again?

[storm jungle]

off the top of my head

some random deathwatch guy

he had outside help

and uhhh another guy they let out on purpose

just for the "lols"

[serene mist]

Well the first one can't fukkin count imo

He had help

[storm jungle]

Ah yeah true

[honest trellis]

The trick isn't a slave revolt, it's hijacking a ship and getting out

[serene mist]

Well

[brittle slate]

Czevak

[serene mist]

I count that as three tricks tbh Lucerne

[honest trellis]

Commoragh society is so dysfucntional that I can definitely believe slave revolts are a thing

[brittle slate]

Draik

[honest trellis]

some of them are even probably spontaneous

[brittle slate]

Aun’shi was given a chance to leave and he chose to stay

[plush mason]

they are. afaik they are like mid week parties for the deldar lol

[honest trellis]

So you need a revolt, to know where the docks are, to get to the docks, to actually seize a ship

and to pilot it back out

all the while not being recaptured or suffering a fate worse than death

[brittle slate]

Corteaz

[serene mist]

And the ability to not die during all this nonsense

[celest dome]

Slave revolt must a fait divers in Commorragh, doesn't mean any is more successful than just breaking the door of their pen before being repressed

[honest trellis]

TBH given the space marine precedent, it's probably far from impossible

[brittle slate]

I mean, I’m listing all the named characters that have gotten out

[serene mist]

Funny enough, I'm looking through them

[brittle slate]

The Deathwatch has lead a rescue mission

The salamanders which were allowed to by Vect

[storm jungle]

The central stage was empty again, its white sands perfect and unblemished. A rapidly flickering holo-radiant hung above them now. It retold the story of the raid in a breakneck kaleidoscope of jump-cut imagery: black, hook-winged craft plummeting through atmosphere, a night-time scene of a primitive settlement, missiles flashing upwards, disintegrators flaring in reply, terrified families fleeing into a night that suddenly blossomed into fire and steel. The content was of little interest to the restless crowd and some jeered at it with a crass lack of finesse. Xelian had insisted that they retain a context for the exhibition of the deathworlders that even now the turncoat would be releasing from their cell.

The holo-radiant shifted to a direct sensory implant woven into the turncoat’s nervous system, just the first of several such carefully prepared viewing points. A hundred thousand hungry souls rode behind the human sow’s eyes as she hurried to open the locks to the deathworlders’ cell. They felt her fear and avarice for the reward she had been promised burning inside her as she pulled the door open. The hairy, ugly deathworlders were ready and waiting. Two of them slipped out into the corridor while their evident leader took his betrayer protectively under his arm. The two scouts found the coast was clear and the rest filed out silently to follow them.

The deathworlders were fleeing now. Alarms sounded shrilly all around them and lights were strobing at an oscillation chosen to induce panic in humans. The turncoat ran with them, always being held protectively in their midst – the deathworlders desperately wanted to believe that they had found a friend. The one that had been injured fighting the guard was left behind with a captured splinter pistol to hold off pursuit as long as he could. The injured deathworlder’s end came ignominiously at the jaws of hunting beasts set on their trail. He managed to shoot the first but the others patiently crept up on him as he struggled to stay conscious through shock and blood loss. The howling beasts were soon back on the trail of the dead man’s friends.

The deathworlders had reached a deserted-looking oval bay dominated by a bronze metal arch at the far end. The turncoat had been instructed to tell them that the portal visible as a shimmering curtain inside the arch led back to realspace and safety. She had not been forewarned about the ambush. Kabalite warriors emerged from hiding and shot their splinter rifles at the deathworlders with a startlingly poor show of accuracy. Shots flew everywhere, smacking into walls, ceiling and floor. Xelian grimaced unhappily; the warriors were supposed to drive the deathworlders through the portal but they were overdoing it with their obvious ineptitude. She needn’t have worried. After a moment of confusion the deathworlders stampeded headlong for the arch while diving, darting and rolling for all they were worth.

The deathworlders flared into existence still running. They stumbled to a halt on the white sands as they took in their surroundings. As the hapless primitives finally apprehended the joke being played on them gales of cruel laughter echoed around the arena from the watching crowd. Some of the deathworlders stood dumbfounded, others fell to their knees or cursed their tormentors in their primitive, grunting language. The psychic malaise of their despair was utterly delightful – so pure and natural that it had a kind of lost innocence to it. The primitives had been convinced the universe worked a certain way, that they were the heroes in their own tale of derring-do. The last shreds of their ego had finally been stripped away, revealing them to be the playthings of older, darker powers utterly inimical to humankind.

[celest dome]

So not an escape ?

[honest trellis]

Amusingly you know what'd probably either work or cause a hot mess?

[brittle slate]

There’s a short story called Hellbreak about a commissar leading a slave revolt

[honest trellis]

Selling your soul to daemons.

[earnest snow]

Ah yes. Path of The Renegade. Good novel

[dusk patrol]

Lucius and Bile both got out technically

Although its not quite the same situation

[storm jungle]

Lucius got captured

Bile got invited

[serene mist]

Amazingly enough Greebles, the wiki pages for Czevak, Draik, and Coteaz don't mention Commorragh at all

gg

[honest trellis]

If you're gonna be fucked over by deldar, making sure She Who Thirsts eats as many as possible suddenly looks remarkably appealing

[storm jungle]

well that and they got massive plot armor

so

💀

[dusk patrol]

The nice thing with Drukhari is, if you can capture one, they're one of the easiest factions to interrogate.

[brittle slate]

There has been Eldar that have escaped

[storm jungle]

Sensory Deprevation tank baybeeee

[serene mist]

My man
Hell yeah

[dusk patrol]

Just gotta leave em out to dry for a few days

[serene mist]

Fools use magic pain gloves

[dusk patrol]

And they'll do anything for you

[serene mist]

Real Gs use the tank

[honest trellis]

Reminder that being allowed to go on realspace raids is an honor for deldar

[brittle slate]

So I’ve listed a few instances- which just ultimately means it’s not impossible.

[honest trellis]

not the norm

[storm jungle]

nobody said it was

[honest trellis]

Commoragh is a hot mess even for deldar

[storm jungle]

what everyone is disagreeing on is a slave revolt

[brittle slate]

Um… lol

Hellbreak.

[storm jungle]

OH MY GOD

[celest dome]

Slave revolt that is successful

[honest trellis]

TBH most likely way for a slave revolt to work is if someone arranges one to embarass their rivals

[serene mist]

The wiki pages for Czevak, Draik, and Coteaz don't mention Commorragh at all

When did each get out of there

[storm jungle]

Literally the most sensible take here thank you

[serene mist]

What book(s)

[brittle slate]

The Marines Errant lead a slave revolt.

[celest dome]

Still would end liquidated after most likely

[storm jungle]

^

you are trapped in a geometric-mindfuck-city

you can get a few people out but the majority are pretty much fucked

[celest dome]

Or just changing chains

[storm jungle]

not exactly a successful revolt when 90% of your posse gets re-enslaved

[honest trellis]

Oh sure a slave escape would prolly be like, a fraction of the starting escapees

kinda is

[storm jungle]

also like

you need to account a lot of stuff

[honest trellis]

that's a 10% success rate

[brittle slate]

And yet.

[storm jungle]

not to mention snitches

[dusk patrol]

I could see someone with friends in high places maybe being able to do it

[serene mist]

And yet you're still ignoring my question, Greebles
Nice
I like it

[dusk patrol]

But it wouldn't be a lot of people

[serene mist]

good

[storm jungle]

alright im just

gonna stop i think

i have a headache

[brittle slate]

A Battle-Brother of the Marines Errant Chapter and a newcomer to the Acheros Salient, Watch Captain Vibius has a burning desire for vengeance against the xenos, which has marked him out even amongst the alien-hunting ranks of the Deathwatch.

An otherwise unremarkable skirmish during the Corinth Crusade between the Marines Errant and a raiding force of Dark Eldar ended with a squad of Space Marines—Vibius amongst them—captured and taken away to the dark realm of Commorragh. Stripped of his power armour and weapons, Vibius and his Battle-Brothers were forced to do battle in savage gladiatorial contests against other slaves, xenos beasts, and Dark Eldar Wyches. More than a few of the Marines Errant did not survive these trials, but every fallen Space Marine stoked the fire of Vibius’ rage.

In time, the Dark Eldar turned their attentions to newer playthings, and Vibius seized the opportunity. Stirring his fellow captives into action, the Marines Errant led a small but determined slave uprising that caught their languid Dark Eldar captors by surprise. The embattled Space Marines fought their way to freedom, and returned to the Imperium.

Vibius bears a badge of honour marking him as one of the Marines Errant Chapter’s Dark Void Elite for his accomplishments, and he was swiftly nominated for the honour of representing his Chapter in the Deathwatch.

[storm jungle]

thats just space marines

[brittle slate]

Such an asshole…

[storm jungle]

you were arguing literally anyone can do a revolt

bruh we are jumping between so many points

[brittle slate]

No. I’m not.

[storm jungle]

stick to one goddamn story

[honest trellis]

I mean...generally you do need some sort of trump card?

Like maybe not literally astartes but deldar are heavily armed and experienced lol

[storm jungle]

^

[serene mist]

Oh fukkin nice

[storm jungle]

This isn't some mining-world uprising

[honest trellis]

But "a lot of slaves" is still a trump card

[dusk patrol]

I think most of us agreed its possible for a small special group to make it out, but a large scale thing is very very unlikely.

[serene mist]

"Deathwatch: The Jericho Reach (RPG), pp. 18-19"
That's the only place he's listed

So what you wrote

[storm jungle]

and yeha basically what Reward said

[honest trellis]

Okay but...FFG lore is still canon

[serene mist]

Is probably the only thing about Vibius

[dusk patrol]

And Deathwatch are gonna be some of the best Eldar killers in the galaxy

[serene mist]

Which means we have no "how"

[storm jungle]

at the end of the day your masters have suns to melt you with and dark matter weapons

[serene mist]

Just "It happened"

Which is so fukkin low effort

So low effort

[dusk patrol]

That's a lot of stuff tbh

[storm jungle]

this isnt like IRL where its just some like

idk unpaid guards

[honest trellis]

Reminder that Commoragh is a frontrunner for one of the most dysfunctional systems in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Its just a small blurb in a codex I think

[serene mist]

Yes

Sadly

[storm jungle]

my guys are just running a pornocracy

yes this is an actual thing

[dusk patrol]

But like Deathwatch would be one of the most ideal people to be with when trying to escape

[serene mist]

Hawt

[honest trellis]

Honestly I can imagine the reaction to a slave revolt being "oh sweet time to raid those idiots"

rather than aiding the people that mismanaged things enough for one to happen

[serene mist]

TIME TO GET ME SOME 360 NO SCOPES

Says the Deldar

[honest trellis]

sure the gangs might torture the slaves for a laugh but like

[brittle slate]

It’s so straightforward you’d have to have your head up your ass not to see the opportunity.

[honest trellis]

the deldar don't give a shit about each other

[storm jungle]

okay but like

again

lets say im just some random slave

[serene mist]

They'd be so fukkin happy and just yeeting themselves through the slaves

[brittle slate]

Meanwhile- this has all happened when a Dysjunction is happening.

[serene mist]

It'd be funny

[storm jungle]

dysfunction is happening

[celest dome]

Still if we accept that some people in certain niche lore did escape I really don't understand the validity of saying that a somewhat large sway of Tau lore is to be ignored

With this, Good night, have a nice start of the week

[storm jungle]

first i need to get out of the citadel we are in

and then

not

[honest trellis]

Look you're gonna need Slave Spartacus

[storm jungle]

A) get kiled by deldar

[honest trellis]

that's kinda obvious

[storm jungle]

B) get killed by daemons

C) get killed by warp phenomena

[serene mist]

D) Get lost

[dusk patrol]

We had a similar scenario in a Deathwatch campaign we did awhile back where two of the squad got captured and the other three lead a mission to get them back, using Drukhari they captured and forced to assist.

Was fun

[honest trellis]

I mean daemons and warp are much lower on the risk list

[signal bramble]

They don’t usually kill you. They make you wish you were dead.

[brittle slate]

Or just Harlequins.

[honest trellis]

it's commoragh

[brittle slate]

Or any number of things that could break you out.

[serene mist]

Don't get lost tbh
That's the big goal

[storm jungle]

E) Get lost and then shanked in some street, melt in a toxic-river, get picked up by scourges and eaten, randomly run into a spike, etc etc

[brittle slate]

What if they did..

[storm jungle]

Harlequins dont count

they can literally do anything

[serene mist]

Yes

[honest trellis]

I mean sure the whole city is E

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[brittle slate]

Like- what if the dark eldar stole someone who needed to be somewhere else… it’s so blatantly possible

[dusk patrol]

Except get a solo book

[serene mist]

The whole city is definitely E

[storm jungle]

but thats not a revolt, thats just you getting nabbed by Pennywise and teleported out

[honest trellis]

But the idea is the one with protagonists

[serene mist]

So uh how the fuck did this start

[brittle slate]

Witchfinder thinks she’s hilarious and that things that are impossible stay impossible.

[storm jungle]

lmao

okay

i guess im the bad guy again

[earnest snow]

She literally said a good point bro

[barren tapir]

What is going on her.... BY THE IMPERIAL TRUTH!!!

[earnest snow]

like...lmao?

[storm jungle]

Eh its fine

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/popcorns-crackhead-eating-popcorn-food-junk-gif-14546221

https://tenor.com/view/captain-obvious-popcorn-nodding-eating-snacks-gif-16646651

[storm jungle]

at this point im just looking at the DT store and killing time

[serene mist]

Dilara

Are you hilarious

Tell me

[storm jungle]

Im not

[serene mist]

FUck

[storm jungle]

im the most unfunny person in this server

[earnest snow]

There is no funny

[serene mist]

Curses

[storm jungle]

Only cringe.

[serene mist]

I have been fooled

[barren tapir]

Well, i think now many know how i felt when talking tau lore

[plush mason]

no thats me

[barren tapir]

Before, you know when

[serene mist]

Tau lore is shit

Blue man bad

[barren tapir]

And what

[serene mist]

Blue man bad

Blue man can't do melee

Haha

[storm jungle]

lmfao

[earnest snow]

I've been eating my pizza while watching all of this. Its been hilarious

[storm jungle]

I have enjoyed it too

[dusk patrol]

Someone disagreed with a take by greebles and he took it badly

[honest trellis]

Anyway the actual answer is Commoragh lore is vague but there are rare escapes

[barren tapir]

And now, tell me, how does this make you feel Dilara

[dusk patrol]

Basically, another day

[honest trellis]

so the answer is whatever you want it to be

[barren tapir]

Or even all other people that partecipated

[storm jungle]

Very empty inside.

[serene mist]

Sir if it's another day I also want another dollar

[celest dome]

Still love talking about Blank biology with you

[serene mist]

Give me my money

[earnest snow]

dead

[barren tapir]

Oh i know, i read all the 300 circa messages

[storm jungle]

Basically impossible to escape unless you got a good plot excuse.

[earnest snow]

Despite all of our disagreements we all know that GW is taking our money somehow

[honest trellis]

I mean...yes that's generally what being enslaved in a pocket dimension run by elf gangs means

[storm jungle]

pretty much

[serene mist]

See this is why I stopped buying miniature shit

Also god they're so small

I can't paint them

[honest trellis]

that you have to escape, know where to go, find the docks, get to the docks, steal the ship, leggit, and get home in time for tea

[storm jungle]

Trust me guys, i will lead us out of this place

[honest trellis]

that said the deldar are basically mismanaged by design re: bickering gangs

[storm jungle]

yeah if the kabals dont kill you the streets will

[serene mist]

Have we ever considered doing the "Lemon Russ" method of how to get out of Commorragh

Personally I think that'd work

[storm jungle]

Basically, find a webway gate, find a way to operate it

[barren tapir]

I heard that the mandrake alleys are very welcoming

[serene mist]

No no no

Wrong method

[honest trellis]

Reminder that there are mercenaries in Commoragh

[serene mist]

Gimme a sec

[storm jungle]

As ever GW never mentions them

because fun lore is bad

[serene mist]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MQyxbBuUfH8

This one

This method

[storm jungle]

Oh god i love this one

[earnest snow]

I'm just gonna open up the console command in Commorragh and type in "TGM" and walk on out

[honest trellis]

40K story. Mercenaries in Commorragh rob a minor Kabal's fortress. Like the Wild Bunch, but with aeldari, human and xenos criminals taking on drukhari

[serene mist]

It's so good

[storm jungle]

I miss TTS

[serene mist]

Same

Truly a loss

[barren tapir]

BTW, do we know if Khan managed to exit the webway following the dark eldar?

[storm jungle]

nope

[serene mist]

Even though Every Tom, Dick, and Jerry here hates it

[storm jungle]

he just went in

[earnest snow]

I miss when GW wasn't taking my money through Tencent and Fat Shark. I don't know how they're doing it, but they are

[storm jungle]

no news since

[honest trellis]

also

[earnest snow]

I love the Khan.

[honest trellis]

"We were never truly imprisoned in the slave quarters, but it was clear that if we left, we would be at the mercy of the Dark City -- a barrier more effective than any amount of walls, fences and razorwire.""

[barren tapir]

Well, bad by him going in without a map i say... Oh, wait...

[earnest snow]

So I hate that he went into the webway to chase Drukarussy

[honest trellis]

""My escape was miraculous; the Emperor must have rewarded my undying faith in those times. However, though I am physically free, my body bears the scars; the many, many scars. Every breath takes me to a new plane of agony, every heartbeat sets my jagged nerves with writhing pain. I cannot see. I cannot speak. Most horrid of all, I cannot forget. Nightmares and waking visions plague me, the drip of my own blood, the cries of anguish haunt me."

"No-one escapes the Dark City."

[earnest snow]

Literally showing the Deldar what pod racing is

[honest trellis]

So yeah escapes do happen

[earnest snow]

I despise it

[dusk patrol]

I still love the idea of the Khan secretly leading a Kabal in the city.

[serene mist]

Seems like a sorta Khan thing to do tbh

[dusk patrol]

A primarch sized figure in like Incubi themed armor would be so sick

A mix of mongol and Drukhari style

[earnest snow]

Getting into Commorragh might be one of the rare moments the Khan stands still

[storm jungle]

that reminds me

I do love when people that dont know anything about commorragh are like

"just spam wormhole missiles in there"

[barren tapir]

To reward me for reminding you?

[storm jungle]

"no you just gave them a new racetrack"

"oh"

[earnest snow]

I read Path of The Renegade. I am absolutely playing chicken with Vect's floating pyramid and slamming myself right into his projected face.

[serene mist]

What if you instead just
Summon a fukkin Greater Daemon of Slaanesh in there

[barren tapir]

BTW, me being happy of your suffering in all this make me a deldar now?

[dusk patrol]

Also its not just one dimension

[earnest snow]

I will D-Day Commorragh

[dusk patrol]

Its multiple dimensions

Which can be cut off from one another

[storm jungle]

I love how the MOMENT he crashes the arena everyone literally is about READY to snitch on each other since Vect is talking about who among them is a impostor

then he says the guy's name

[dusk patrol]

Which is how they stiffled that one massive fucking daemonic incursion the other day

[storm jungle]

and evreyone is like

"oh thank god its not me"

[serene mist]

Hell

[earnest snow]

I forgot the city that Vect slung an Imperial Ship at to stop an uprising to overthrow him. God I can't remember it

[serene mist]

Disgusting

[earnest snow]

why

WHY CAN'T I REMEMBER

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah

he was like

"oh this archon has a subdimension?"

[serene mist]

Honestly though like...Dark Eldar lore is the lore I never touch at all

[storm jungle]

"lmao im gonna drop a ship on him"

[earnest snow]

Vect literally is the only guy that can rival Tzneetch in mind power

[serene mist]

I have no idea what books are interesting

Or good

Or what

[earnest snow]

Its actually wild

[storm jungle]

okay so

you are in luck

[earnest snow]

Their lore is...wild

[barren tapir]

After creed and big E of course

[storm jungle]

Dark Eldar literally got 3 books

[serene mist]

Nor do I really have a massive interest in reading most of it

[storm jungle]

and they are all fucking great

[serene mist]

oh

[storm jungle]

absolute recommend reading them

[serene mist]

Well that's like...better I guess

[storm jungle]

they are stellar

[serene mist]

Are they all about Vect

[earnest snow]

The perfect trio to unite and take down our Eldritch Horror

[storm jungle]

Path of the Dark Eldar go look it up

vect is a side character in them

but he is GREAT

[serene mist]

Oh good

I hear good things about Vect being Vect doing Vect weird things

[earnest snow]

"Ah yes. Another Dysfuction."

[storm jungle]

Vect is genuinely great

[barren tapir]

Dysjunction*

[storm jungle]

Dysjunkdeeznutstion

[earnest snow]

If I remember correctly he has been said to cause DysJUNCTIONS to stop other people's plans

[broken parrot]

cant remember if im making it up but dont ogyrns prefer munching on humans? dont remem

[barren tapir]

OMW, just need your address

[storm jungle]

Ogryns are not cannibals

but

you can probably teach them cannibalism

make of that what you will

[earnest snow]

Vect lost his marbles when the Eldar Empire fell frfr

[storm jungle]

I think uh

you mixed them up with Warhammer Fantasy ogres

who literally fucking eat anything

and anyone

[broken parrot]

thought they were rewarded by munching on heretics or something

[barren tapir]

Nope

[storm jungle]

no thats WHF Ogres

[earnest snow]

Letting in Salamanders, casually planning through dysjunctions, showing up at an arena and be like: "Hello all!" like he is Claptrap except actually dangerous, etc etc

[storm jungle]

also yeah

thats my favorite part of DE lore

i love it when people who havent read the lore is like

"OH THAT ATTACK WAS SUCCESSFUL"

[serene mist]

The attack was most definitely not successful

[barren tapir]

Any reference is purely casual i bet

[serene mist]

Because it's Dark Eldar

[storm jungle]

"Ah yes, blowing up 3-5 convenient towers that had noble dark eldar in them to leave a power vacuum"

[serene mist]

Doing that

[storm jungle]

also yeah lmao

most people read the surface lore and have no idea it was vect that did it

[barren tapir]

It was me, always me! Vect

[earnest snow]

Commorragh is a testament to Aeldari genius within the Webway. A twisted genius.

If something happened in Commorragh Vect did it

[storm jungle]

^

[earnest snow]

If not then I will be surprised and want to shake the person's hand

[storm jungle]

to quote the Path of the Dark Eldar book, if he can, Vect will probably live until the end of time

[barren tapir]

Truth be told, some yannari managed to escape when they were formed, or so i heard

[storm jungle]

being a complete cunt in every step of the way

[serene mist]

Probably not the most safe thing to do tbh

I imagine that's deadly

[earnest snow]

I wouldn't be surprised if Yvraine's whole plot line was orchestrated by Vect at this rate

[storm jungle]

Nah it wasnt

but like i said earlier

if you can operate webway gates

[barren tapir]

That clearly wasn't

[storm jungle]

you are mostly fine

[earnest snow]

Dilara. You don't understand.

[storm jungle]

the ynnari took heavy losses but still escaped

[barren tapir]

He has kinda a grudge against her afaik

[storm jungle]

vect was VERY mad

[earnest snow]

someone is gonna pull a GW and say "Yeah Vect did this"

[storm jungle]

darn

💀

[earnest snow]

"He was just larping mad"

[storm jungle]

tbh

we are talking about the guy

[earnest snow]

Some author is gonna come along and ruin it all

[storm jungle]

who had himself assassinated

and resurrected at his own funeral

so you are right

[serene mist]

Question
Dark Mechanicus
How do you envision them

[storm jungle]

Unfortunately they are pretty much just admech but more spikes

[barren tapir]

That is actually a pro move, many would feign their death, but the guy went all in

[earnest snow]

Oh I know. I'm just waiting for an Author somehow weasle their way in and suggest that vect did it because...well Vect ._.

[honest trellis]

even in 30k they were already pushing boundaries @storm jungle

[earnest snow]

On that note I want the Ynnari to continue their story but x.x

[honest trellis]

By 40k, they're very far from "admech with spikes"

[serene mist]

I want to write Dark Mechanicus in a way, but the last thing I wrote for them wasn't too..."Dark" for a lot of readers

[barren tapir]

Why you removed the first comment Lucerne?

[honest trellis]

autodelete I think

[storm jungle]

Darkmech are basically never allowed to do anything cool and it sucks

[earnest snow]

The Dark Mechanicus is quite dark I hear

[barren tapir]

-.-

[honest trellis]

The darkmechanicum is everything imaginable with technology with no restraint other than lack of resources

[storm jungle]

^

and again

we dont ever see it

its literally just

"MAKE ROBOT INTO CHAOS"

[barren tapir]

Not yet

[serene mist]

Do you want to see it

[storm jungle]

"MEAT-TENTACLES"

[serene mist]

Briefly

[storm jungle]

Possibly

[serene mist]

Gimme a sec

[earnest snow]

Instead we see Word Bearers shoving Daemons into Lemen Russ Battle Tanks just to let em burn rubber in place

[barren tapir]

Pick a warp entity and push it into a robot, willing or not

[storm jungle]

for like

[serene mist]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1x459Mqsi0SunkMw_fzSS-il6H_zwhz2CRqVodKARbg0/edit?usp=sharing

[storm jungle]

the 395859th time

[serene mist]

O Dilara

Enjoy

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/makepenisintorobot-tts-gif-22309103

[storm jungle]

👀

I will thayr

[honest trellis]

GW is trash at its own IP

news at 11

[earnest snow]

Disgusting

[honest trellis]

They still try and make Chaos Marines into a dinobot circus

[earnest snow]

GW needs to hire someone with smorts

A proper Brain Boy

[honest trellis]

they did

[serene mist]

He's been sucked into the cogworks

[honest trellis]

the new head of story direction is a proper world eater fan

[serene mist]

Sadly

[honest trellis]

I kinda think he may be why the new Chaos lore hasn't been godawful

[barren tapir]

Was the position of lore master covered?

[honest trellis]

but he can't solve bad design for CSM rules

[barren tapir]

Or it is still open?

[honest trellis]

Wade.

[earnest snow]

I'm entertained by Word Bearers shoving daemons into tank engines, but I would like to see something else

[barren tapir]

Was that an answer to my question?

[honest trellis]

https://twitter.com/wadepryce

[earnest snow]

Idk too much on Dark Mech

[honest trellis]

40k's lead writer is now someone with three brain cells to rub together

[serene mist]

Don't worry it's not too dark for what I did

[honest trellis]

in a shocking development

[serene mist]

tbh

[storm jungle]

Darkmech basically have no lore

[earnest snow]

Literally the most they've had in ever

[storm jungle]

just imaigne admech

but chaos

literally it

lmao

[honest trellis]

Wade Pryce unironically is an amazing choice for the job

[earnest snow]

I swear if they don't like invention or expanding on ideas they were limited by the Admech I'm gonna

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/but-wait-nope-gif-14217892

[earnest snow]

Yes that is what I'll do

[storm jungle]

THEY DO DAEMON ENGINES AND NOTHING ELSE

ENJOY

[serene mist]

In any case Dilara when ya read through it feel free to ping me and tell me about my nonsense

[earnest snow]

WORD BEARERS BUT ADMECH!?!?

[serene mist]

👍

[storm jungle]

YES

[storm jungle]

also will do bud

[barren tapir]

What the hell is the lead writer position?

[earnest snow]

Me

Live in fear

[barren tapir]

I already do

Oh, so he is the guy that review stuff

Not lore, but the manuscripts

[crimson kayak]

soo.... now that i think about it, considering the deal with darkadmech is pushing daemons into robots, would a darkmech skiitari army count as darkmech or daemon army?

[earnest snow]

Yes

[barren tapir]

Dark mechanicus skitarii are stated to be exactly like skitarii, but chaos infused/corrupted

And way more diverse between eachother

[earnest snow]

I better see more than Mechadendrites I swear

[barren tapir]

Spikey bits is the max i can give

[dusk patrol]

Also they have more spikes

[barren tapir]

Take it or leave it

[dusk patrol]

And gang signs

[earnest snow]

Gang signs I can work with

Dark Mech is gonna become the new naruto jutsu enjoyers if I'm allowed to be in charge of their lore

[fallen dune]

Kinda wild tho he had an inquisitor army with Blood Angels, Space Wolves, and Dark Angels

[warm flicker]

yo guys, is dark imperium the books where gilliman is bring back?

[signal bramble]

No

It's when mortarion invades ultramar.

And it's part of a trilogy that, in my opinion, is pretty good actually.

[warm flicker]

oooh ok, so which books series are the ones where they bring back the G man, and he sees how fuck the imperium is?

[signal bramble]

Gathering Storm

[odd palm]

He does see how far gone the Imperium is through the dark imperium series.
But khalith's right, he's revived in Gathering Storm

[warm flicker]

thanks guys.

[winter ridge]

I think it’s this one

[signal bramble]

Yeah that's the last book in the series.

[waxen wave]

Magnus is a big ole goofball who done messed up

[iron locust]

But there’s no actual book that details when guilliman was first told the state of the imperium right? Even in Avenging Son it’s after he made it back to Terra?

[signal bramble]

It's mentioned a lot in any scenes in the book from his perspective just how shitty everything is.

Plus you get the sense a lot of the info is brought to him

[iron locust]

I know but there was no text that took place in the exact moment he was first introduced to the dumpster fire imperium

Initially introduced

There’s his resurrection in gathering storm and then Avenging Son (?) is next

[rose gyro]

Dark Imperium is basically talking about the event in Guilliman's POV

especially the part ||where he died||

[earnest snow]

Dark Imperium really do be Dark Guilliman

[normal crystal]

What do the level "codes" in darktide mean (if anything)? Like what's "HL-19-24", is that descriptive or is it just random?

HL=Hive level....? 19th floor of the hive? 24 maybe an angle coordinate or something?

Just guessing

Not sure if this chat is the right place to ask that haha

[shadow plover]

You might be spot on with the two first guesses

[serene mist]

I took the 19-24 to either be grid coordinates or a level - section sort of thing

[shadow plover]

24 could be sector or something

[serene mist]

HL for Hive Level seems super redundant though, so I figured maybe that was some sort of code for a general area

Like, you don't go "Yeah go down to Floor FL-02"

[vocal drum]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6pj6d41Jg holy SHIT

this battle was crazy

[solar raven]

Imagine being that Inquisitor

[upbeat dagger]

so i heard something about Big E having explosives strapped to him in the event he dies

[earnest snow]

I don't know if that's true. I just know there is the Terminus Decree in the case things get so terrible that they decide to kill the emperor

[celest dome]

But we don't know what the Terminus Decree is or how it work so no real idea here

[dusk patrol]

The Talisman of Seven Hammers

Not clear if it’s still hooked up to the Throne but in the event the Emperor dies it would destroy the Sol system

[upbeat dagger]

and from what i've understood it's an explosive powerful enough to vaporise- yeah that

[dusk patrol]

It gives daemons a perma death too, the idea being it would destroy the rift which is under the palace

But we don’t know if it’s still hooked up

[upbeat dagger]

what is under the palace now that i ask?

and now i've been sent on a rabbit hole about the Terminus Decree

[dusk patrol]

Warp rift which is held in place by the Emperor

[upbeat dagger]

so the emperor does more than just astronomicon?

[crimson kayak]

Emp does a lot of shit in the background

He's just so far back he became the meme of the guy at the corner of the party

[upbeat dagger]

i remember seeing a theory that were it not for the talisman of seven hammers (MASSIVE HERESY WARNING) it might be better to let big e die and reincarnate into a proper form, and endure the coming darkness until he reforms

[delicate temple]

Yea but that involves letting terra get swallowed up and that would de-centralize the imperium

[upbeat dagger]

basically it'd be a massive undertaking

the imperium would have to:
recentralise
prepare millions of worlds for the astronomicon to be offline for potentially an extended time
and evacuate earth

[delicate temple]

What they need to do is get the geneticists in the mechanicum to start breeding/growing super-psykers that they can stick on the throne one after another until the emperors return I'd they want to let him die

[crimson kayak]

Tl Dr the imperium would fall and it would be the great crusade part 2 when the emp reforms

[upbeat dagger]

how long would it take for big e to reform?

[crimson kayak]

We have absolutely no idea

[upbeat dagger]

has he ever died before?

[delicate temple]

Could be instantly right there could be centuries

[crimson kayak]

Big è himself not that we know of

But we have accounts of perpetual dying and being reborn, but they are far from consistent

[delicate temple]

Could be never too, could be too drained from being sat on the throne and fragmented over the 10k years

[upbeat dagger]

also i saw some fun theories about what the terminus decree is

[crimson kayak]

Kaldor draigo secret warp dust stash

[upbeat dagger]

arguably the most fun theory was instructions on how to direct the talisman of seven hammers into the webway and straight into the eye of terror

[delicate temple]

That would be neat

[crimson kayak]

Tbf the point of the talisman is giving a big "fuck u" to daemon kind so it makes sense

[upbeat dagger]

essentially the idea is it'd kill Big E and direct the talisman's power and all of big e's psychic energy straight into the eye of terror

and hopefully vaporise it

[delicate temple]

That sounds like big Es soul would be gone after

[upbeat dagger]

in the event that humanity is lost