40k-lore-chat

[ripe ravine]

it's about to get worse. Armageddon is the only place in the galaxy Angron can return

[dusk patrol]

But then it went bad

Shocking

[arctic talon]

isn't it so bad

the Orks are working with the guard to an extent

[flat tendon]

Nah Armageddon is about to be the next planet of everyone's favorite place to get schwacked by GW

[thorn flint]

Orks in darktide when

[arctic talon]

Shits about to look like middenheim in the endtimes

[earnest snow]

Wasn't Armageddon revealed to be Ullanor?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

but that was in the war of the beast

[unique berry]

Steel Legion got it and they wont let it fall easily

[earnest snow]

sadge

[ripe ravine]

nobody remembers though

[earnest snow]

I believe in the Steel Legion

[flat tendon]

They said that about Cadia

And the Cadian Gate no longer functions as a Bastion 💀

[thorn flint]

I cant believe its been 10 seconds since i mentioned cadia

[unique berry]

Yeah but Armageddon dosent have to deal with Palm tree head and a black fortress so eh

[earnest snow]

Yeah, but Armageddon has survived Angron (somehow) so idk what else could break the planet apart if not Angron.

Like

[ripe ravine]

he's coming back like very soon

[earnest snow]

Those 100 Grey Knights really must have had god mode on or something

Yeah 99 died but

[arctic talon]

tbf a fuck ton of grey knights died + a ton of space mariens

and also guardsmen

[flat tendon]

I don't trust GW to not ruin Armageddon. They already have killed off Yarrick

[arctic talon]

50 cents says Yarrick is a living saint lol

[unique berry]

Was about to say the got fucked up good

[ripe ravine]

world eaters are about to be released and he's getting his own Arks of Omen campaign book, Angron about to fuck Armageddon up

[earnest snow]

"I'll fookin' do it again!" - Goofy disguised as Angron

[arctic talon]

Angron is gona crash a space hulk on Armagedon

[flat tendon]

Sadly I think Armageddon is gonna be destroyed

[earnest snow]

They did get oof'd up on Armageddon. Still blows my mind they pushed back Angron when he is blistering your ears by being in the same Segmentum as he is

[scenic bolt]

they gonna primaris yarrick

[flat tendon]

Or turned into a Daemon World

[earnest snow]

^

[arctic talon]

Honestly if they turn any guard character into a living saint

its yarrick

[unique berry]

If they gonna do my guys and girls in yellow dirty I fully switching to Chaos

[earnest snow]

Absolutely

Its Steel Legion and Harlequins atm for me

[ripe ravine]

you can wait without hope for official traitor guard support

[unique berry]

Nah I got dem IW ready

[flat tendon]

Armageddon is about to die my man. Arks of Omen is setting up Angron to destroy Armageddon and possibly have a match up with Gazkhul

[earnest snow]

I will Sabbat Crusade Slaanesh's Pleasure Palace if they do the Steel Legion dirty frfr I don't mind them losing or getting Tanith'd. Just don't bully pls

[unique berry]

Gazkhul gonna be the shit out of Angron

[arctic talon]

Honestly I doubt the steel legion dies out

Even if they blow up Armageddon

Blowing up a famous regiments planet does nothing

It just makes them very very angry

[ripe ravine]

tbh I'd be surprised if they outright destroyed another big lore planet so soon after Cadia but also I don't expect Armageddon's hives to be super intact

[arctic talon]

Armageddon is pretty much ruined as a planet

Already

The Steel legion are fighting over literal ruins now

[flat tendon]

I think it will be turned into a Daemon World with the Orks fighting World Eaters over it.

[earnest snow]

Just make Armageddon what its supposed to be already

[arctic talon]

Ullanor?

[earnest snow]

A planet in constant war for the next 10k years. No I don't mean like the three wars for Armageddon. Just make it Khorne's favorite little maturiam playground

[earnest snow]

The Beast is gonna arise again i swear

[unique berry]

I mean they produce and use the Chimeras and other armor for the Guard and Imperium it would be a hard blow for the logistics for a while at least

[arctic talon]

Logistics are already so fucked up

Another planet going wouldn’t really make an impact

Metallica is non functional

Aggripina is trying not to die horrifically

And Stygies is cut off

[earnest snow]

It would give Gorillaman another vessel burst behind his eyeball

surely

[arctic talon]

True

[earnest snow]

Dude literally has five forehead veins constantly at full throttle

The stress is unenviable.

[arctic talon]

Theres 2 major forgeworlds stuck in Dark Imperium

2 right next to the great rift

and a fuck ton more in Dark Imperium

[earnest snow]

Indomitus era is not my strong suit tbh what is making those forge worlds- oh I see

[arctic talon]

The Imperiums logistics are ruined for the forseeable future

[unique berry]

I mean look at all the troops they used at the 3rd War just to keep it in Imperial hand I doubt they gonna lose or its gonna be an epic battle and remember Grimaldus gonna return too

[ripe ravine]

every time rowboat shows up in dawn of fire or dark imperium he gives off major spinning plates energy

[arctic talon]

This is the map of all Major forgeworlds + the big 6

Theres literally 2 major forgeworlds taking a dip in the great rift

[earnest snow]

Guilliman is about to lose his shit and throw the Phalanx at Abaddon like a shuriken

[unique berry]

Triplex looking a bit far away💀

[unique berry]

They would never give to Girly

[earnest snow]

The Fists wouldn't but

I'd like to imagine the Phalanx banging off of Abaddon's head

[unique berry]

Cadians on board the Phalanx : "Revenge bitch!"

[ripe ravine]

https://i.redd.it/yq1w350fgi8a1.jpg

actual conversion of the coronation of guilliman

[unique berry]

If we aint getting the Lion next to get in charge idk who will cause girly gotta do what he does best manage the systems

[ripe ravine]

I kind of wish they'd stop trying to make New Cadia happen because I really like the idea of cadians as a space based regiment

[arctic talon]

It sort of isn’t a thing

Tbh

There’s several

And the Cadians aren’t centralized

[earnest snow]

I wish a loyal primarch would return because I really want to see the boys back in town

Well another one

[ripe ravine]

I think given the recent Dark Angels reveals and Arks lining up with leaks/rumors a 10th edition Lion return is very likely

[unique berry]

We need some love for the forgotten Legions both Loyal and Traitor

[unique berry]

hopefully

[arctic talon]

oh

[arctic talon]

thats a good one lol

GW has never really deep dived into legions that aren't the 4 Cult Legions, Space Wolves, Blood Angels and Dark Angels

everyone else shares the same minis for chapters and chaos legions

[unique berry]

I mean I love me some Blood Angels but since the HH books and models I fell in love with IW and the other Legions but I ran out of stuff to read and it annoys me

[arctic talon]

as much as I would love every subfaction to get love

Its never gona happen

non Space Marine/CSM factions usually get like 1 subfaction picked out every couple of editions

and then expanded on a ton

[ripe ravine]

did you read the Uriel Ventris books

main antagonist is Honsou

big iron warriors energy

[unique berry]

Uh 👀

Thx

Just finished traitor rock

[ripe ravine]

McNeill wrote both the ultramarines and iron warriors books for a while so there's a lot of crossover

Uriel Ventris gets a lot of undeserved flak from when ultramarines were a lot more cringe during the Matt Ward era

[unique berry]

Still cringe tho 👀

[ripe ravine]

but the McNeill books are decent, not quite Know No Fear but alright

[unique berry]

Thanks for the recommendation🫡

[knotty condor]

What do you guys think was going through the minds of the Pre Heresy Luna Wolves and Emperor's Children that Trazyn brought to defend cadia lmao

[brittle slate]

war never ends.

[earnest snow]

They probably said a variety of star wars prequel quotes to things that haven't seen in a long time or ever.

[vital kernel]

Feel sorry for Trazyn wasting so much of his collection on a lost cause.

[subtle ledge]

Are primaris space marines more resilient to chaos or have any ever been turned to chaos yet?

[mystic geyser]

@subtle ledge in theory yes. None have turned yet. But they have only been around for a very short period of time

Finally worked out what the ogryn heavy stubber is based off.
Zero chances of actually acquiring one though...

[mystic geyser]

TIL there's a laspistol with a chain bayonet.

[celest dome]

There is also a Chainsaw Rippergun iirc

Would be a nice Rippergun pattern

Like having primary action be melee attacks like the Gauntlet
The 2nd being like the one in the other Ripper, bracing to allow shooting
And maybe having the special attack become a Mixed Melee/Ranged attack or something

Or Reving maybe

[unique berry]

Thats why I call him that

[crimson kayak]

Lol, just looked at the interaction between guilliman and the cardinals crimson

Mathieu: "yes guilliman, you are worthy of using the crusaders, they are a gift from the emperor himself"

Guilliman: "Wait, a gift from the emperor? For real like, from him?"

Mathieu: refuses to elaborate further

[echo vault]

Is it lore accurate for space Marines to have dual inferno pistols, like a moritat

Or just a flamboyant praetor

Idfk

[crimson kayak]

Aren't inferno pistols artificer level items?

[mystic geyser]

its somewhat a blood angel speciality

[crimson kayak]

Blood angels have some but they use their own model and are relics

[mystic geyser]

though sororitas have access too

[crimson kayak]

But yeah, it's rare enough to have one

Mostly high rank sorotitas/inquisitors

[echo vault]

I'm talking more in the heresy setting where things are more universal

Like salamanders can't use hand flamers and inferno pistols (somehow) in 40k but can in heresy

[crimson kayak]

Because heresy has a shitton of tech that lorewise got lost

Or only a handful remain

[echo vault]

In dawn of war 2 retribution you fight a chaos champion who uses an inferno pistol to kill a carnifex

[crimson kayak]

Dawn of war uses a lot of stuff that shouldn't be there lol, but yeah, it's rare as fuck in 40k

[echo vault]

IDC about 40k I'm sorry because heresy way cooler

I want my banana magazine rocket launchers

[crimson kayak]

Yeah I can understand

[echo vault]

Dual wielding inferno pistols is definitely a seraphim squad only thing, but in the heresy some praetor has backup inferno pistols to whip out

[crimson kayak]

I mean, it could be possible in 30k

[echo vault]

Anything is possible in 30k

There's a lot of things that don't even exist in between editions of the heresy, because 1.0 was so bloated with op stuff

[crimson kayak]

But still double inferno sound like some named character equipment more than random dude 42048

[echo vault]

Oh definitely, I think of it as a named praetor character, because praetors are valuable and powerful

Or moritats who use energy weapons

Like cypher but without the two different weapons

The original heresy editions are for people who want to play space Marines like they're the imperial guard

And has relic weapons like the nanyte blaster which is like shooting a swarm of nanobot robots that cause things to explode in fire

How do you balance that? I don't fucking know, so I think it's gone from 2.0 just a lot of super op weapons

[north lotus]

Part of the reason you get cooler shit in 30k is the same reasons you get cool SLDF designs in battletech. As it turns out, huge conflicts tend to damage through attrition the overall industrial quality.

10k years of conflict does this worse.

That and the imperium slowly decays into a industrial nightmare that makes communist governments look like saints.

And that’s not a dig at tau

Though granted statistically there’s probably worlds that aren’t that shit and are run relatively well

[north lotus]

See also https://youtu.be/knPDsJyCpjI

[vocal drum]

can the flood destroy the 40k universe or can necrons handle them?

[celest dome]

Depend on how fast they are found out

[final solar]

Someone just made a video on this

[vocal drum]

also i ask this cus

[final solar]

https://youtu.be/bnbxBFsMtZQ

[vocal drum]

About to watch then lol

[final solar]

Haha

He does a good analysis of the idea

[vocal drum]

wow

u know whats scary

of nurgle adopted the flood

[wraith gale]

is the ossuary charm trinket a reference to total warhammer?

[lofty prawn]

what does it say?

[rose thorn]

I like that channel but he does have some takes on chaos I don’t agree with.

[final solar]

Yeah, i agree with you there.

[ruby relic]

spitballin here, a zen 40k mobile game where you play as an imperator titan destroying cities with solar cannons. Instead of city builder, it's a city destroyer

and since they're hive cities, the scale equals out

[celest dome]

Hive Cities dwarfs any Titans

[plush mason]

yeah the biggest titan is like 200m or so

[lofty prawn]

Titan game but it's controlled like lovers in a dangerous spacetime

[plush mason]

dont the eldar have a wraithconstruct that is controlled by twins, one dead the other alive?

[iron locust]

Hey so does anyone know why Ogryn intelligence regressed to young child levels when evolving? Did it go to some instinctual ability or something

[plush mason]

i mean. Ogryn evolution is all messed up, the worlds they come from should have made them small not massive

[celest dome]

Nameless since when were you freed from being a convict ?

[plush mason]

high gravity makes lifeforms shrink and low gravity makes them grow

[lofty prawn]

it's best not to think to hard why anything works the way it does in 40k

[plush mason]

i left for a bit and just rejoined lol

[plush mason]

this (i cant use emote reactions for some reason)

[lofty prawn]

it's ok homie I understand lol

especially a lot of the older lore stuff

that kinda just does wacky shit because it's fun

[plush mason]

yeah

[barren tapir]

Probably because you don't have any role

[plush mason]

yeah

[rocky dagger]

Having a hard time following the underlying plot of Darktide if anyone's more into this.
Pieced together that Grendyl is the big chief Inquisitor in the sector, and Rannick & Brahms report to him. We got scooped up by luck because execution was waiting (and still could be), but somehow we're part of Ordo Hereticus now.
Something else is going on in the sector or Grendyl would be here or this story would play out on his flagship rather than a scout ship? Or is it just to illustrate the vast difference in ranks in the Imperium?

Could just be looking for fluff that ain't there too.

[shadow plover]

Grendyl and his cohort are part of ordo Hereticus thus making us part of it as well

and being an Inquisitor doesn't mean you have a massive flagship to your name

[rocky dagger]

Ah, I understood them to be commanding officers of fleets for their intended purposes.

Yeah then I'm wandering places that probably might not even come up or have any impact here.

[shadow plover]

probably yeah

[plush mason]

they are more of an independent force of completely independent agents that answer only to the emperor himself and as such each inquisitor is only as powerful as the amount of soft power they have within the other factions of the imperium

tho i wonder if Grendyl is a lord inquisitor or just a normal one

and and ty to whoever fixed my role 🙂

[signal bramble]

An inquisitor can theoretically commandeer whatever they need but it doesn’t always mean they’ll take a big ship.

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

Also the crew of a ship are usually really loyal to the captain lol

So if some inqusitor just strolls in and says I’m in charge now

Well uh

They’re prolly gona get their brains blasted out by someone

[plush mason]

it will go bad unless the captain says they are ok with it yeah

[crystal wedge]

It just dawned on me, while listening to Darkness In The Blood audiobook (which follows after the Dante book from the Black Library).

What if Dante is the Sanguinor!?!

The only time recorded that he's spoken aloud (thus far) was directly to Dante on his ship. "There is yet hope."

He manifested in Dante's visions when he was a kid, trying to become a Blood Angel. He prevented Dante from falling asleep during the weaning of the weary trial.

The warp allows almost anything, time and distance do not matter. The Sanguinor was fighting a 'black angel' currently as Dante's ship had to be free from the warp in this book.

He doesn't want to take his helmet off, to reveal his age; but something is done (don't wanna spoil it), to reverse that. Their likeness is identical as far as armor goes, with the exception that Dante tends to use the jump pack vs the jump wings. (At least on the tabletop.) He's saved Dante several times now, physically and mentally.

He could be some split soul of Sanguinius, or the will of the blood angels manifested in the warp. But why save Dante, specifically, so many times? The only explanation I can come up with is... it's him, he has to ensure that he lives; to become the Sanguinor. It seems fated at this point.

[plush mason]

would that not put him and that one blood angle librarian on a direct collision course? the dude that embodies the black rage

[crystal wedge]

Yes, and at the start of Darkness In The Blood, the Sanguinor is fighting a black angel in the warp. Could be metaphorical, could be an eventual reality; I've not seen it shed light on it further yet.

[iron locust]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Atoma_Prime

[north lotus]

As it turns out, being a inquisitor has a certain degree of self-moderation required. Eventually, if you keep being a asshole long enough with your commands, they might ask whether you intend to enforce this request.

[arctic talon]

Yep

[celest dome]

Same with Commissar usually

They aren't as quick to shoot their own quarry as the meme says

[plush mason]

yeah and frankly the Commissars have way way worse things they can do to their troops if need be

honestly the Commissars' pistol is the least scary thing about them

the imperial guard is beyond draconic and execution is often a mercy

[signal bramble]

They’ve addressed this a bit more lately. It’s the young commissars that tend to be more like the memes.

The older ones tend to understand second chances and a little diplomacy can go a long way.

[signal bramble]

I’ve mentioned this before and I love to give the example. In theory, an inquisitor can go around and give orders to whoever he wants. But if he goes up to someone like a space marine chapter master in his fortress monastery and starts shouting orders?

Well the space marines aren’t going to appreciate that to say the least. Same with commissars, a little diplomacy and tact can go a long way.

[red sage]

Inquisitors, as a rule, do not mess around. They aren't wandering the galaxy doing petty politics and seeking glory, they glass planets to stop daemon incursions. A Chapter Master would be obligated to at least listen to a request from an Inquisitor for that reason alone.

And by that same reason, depending on what the Inquisitor needed help accomplishing, a Chapter Master would be obligated to provide assistance because of the scale of the threat presented.

[signal bramble]

In theory yes. In practice? He may just fall out of an airlock.

[red sage]

Sure, accidents happen. :) The way I'm thinking of it is like this; when a fire fighter runs up to your house and starts asking for your hose and if they can use your water supply, you automatically want to help. Then if they can show you the actual fire well then shoot, that fire will only spread, might as well do what I can to help. :)

[arctic talon]

Dark angels literally have a kill list of inqusitors that looks like a list of Russian millionaires falling off a balcony

[signal bramble]

Indeed.

[arctic talon]

Also the Ultramarines cut off an inqusitors arm once

And then threatened to kill them

[red sage]

Dark Angels are weird. They have that whole "we like to steal and horde ancient tech, especially xenos stuff," which I'm sure pisses off both the Admech and several Inquisitor factions.

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors literally run around the galaxy dealing with petty politics

[signal bramble]

They do.

[plush mason]

and at times they blow the scale of the threat completely out of proportion

[signal bramble]

This idea they can order around whoever they want and get their way or exterminatus isn’t how it works in practice.

[arctic talon]

It’s not just the dark angels who make nosey inqusitors disappear

Pretty much every chapter makes them go poof

If they get on their case too much

[crisp heath]

The Inquisition and the Space Wolves have always hated each other and the Months of Shame was just that coming to a head

[red sage]

It's almost like the setting is perfectly balanced so that everything sucks and nothing can get better. ;)

[arctic talon]

That’s the point yes

The imperium is supposed to suck

[plush mason]

like they will assume an act of possible sabotage was the work of a wide spread cult on a hive world when what really happened was some overworked menial fell asleep and the forge just broke. and in true inquisitor fashion they will assume they where right about the cult and the sleeping menial is a member trying to cover for the rest

[crisp heath]

The Inquisition also cares a lot about it's reputation, individual Inquisitors moreso, which is why so much of their business is kept secret. They'd prefer to stage some kind of hoax that happened to kill the person they were mad at than just walk out and shoot them in the face.

[arctic talon]

^

Also inqusitors are sometimes just idiots

Not very often

[crisp heath]

Whether or not anyone believes it is another. Pretty much everyone knows The Celestial Lions were eradicated by Inquisitors

[arctic talon]

But there are some

[arctic talon]

There’s still like 300 of them

So not wiped out yet

[hushed kayak]

this happen in the new Alpha Legion book Harrowmaster. Inquisitors were bickering against each other on how to destroy the legion, which let them escape in a way.

[crisp heath]

Huh, apparently the Inquisition is still murdering them every now and again. Don't know what book, but kindly people online say their chapter master got assassinted recently

Or, I guess, a year ago, but ykno

[arctic talon]

Dead chapter master doesn’t mean dead chapter

[red sage]

And, because it's 40k, as they punish the fake cult they invented, it will act as cover for a real cult that was operating in the shadows the whole time, who will then open up a daemon portal.

Insert several billion dead.

[plush mason]

yup

[crisp heath]

Oh shifting gears a lot, but does anyone know if people are aware of Malcador's existence in M41?

[plush mason]

Malcador the Hero is one of the saints iirc

now how much they know of Malcador is another matter but they do know he existed

and its very likely that him being a psyker was erased from imperial record

tho im not sure that it was

[hushed kayak]

most likely, as psykers in M41 is looked down upon heavily, compare to 30k time.

[plush mason]

yeah

[north lotus]

For understandable reasons. 11 millenium of psyker whoopsies with a minimal moderating force can lead to prejudices

[red sage]

Last I heard of Malcador he turned to dust after burning himself out on the golden throne so that the empower could close the imperial webway gate.

[north lotus]

Emperor*

[red sage]

Aware? Certainly. He is remembered as Malcador the Hero.

[potent hill]

So CRAZY thought. what if the person Henry Cavill plays is the reincarnated god emperor???

[crisp heath]

He's probs going to be a space marine lmao

Henry Cavill would look good in power armor, and the idea of a "reincarnated Emperor" is huge in lore, there's an entire sect of Inquisitors who want to make it happen, that's what the Star Child is all about, it would just be bad if he wanted to go that route at this point in the story

[plush mason]

he will be Yarrick in the first season and that will tell the story of how Yarrick dies

that is just bullshit btw so if it does happen it will be pure coincidence

[crisp heath]

Yeah, it's really early production. I'm imagine the script isn't written yet and everything is subject to change, including if the project even gets made

[plush mason]

yes

[crisp heath]

From my understanding, Cavill literally signed the contract and then talked the same day, and people had to scramble to get a 15 second trailer that's just a poorly animated Aquila and a single line out lmao

Which uh, I'm usually a hopeful person but that's not a good sign

But it's also something he clearly wants to do and I tend to really enjoy a passion project since the creator's enthusiasm just drips through the screen, so we'll see

That's why I'm an Eggers fan now, like I'm pretty lukewarm about The VVItch, but in the Lighthouse and The Northman everything came together and you can just feel how much he loves what he's doing. Maybe Cavill can have that same passion for something he really enjoys.

[potent hill]

I think they will be extremely loyal to the source and make it dark and immersive. i just dont see how this could go wrong

[crisp heath]

Sweet summer child

Cavill has never produced or directed before, even though he's been a major actor. There could be funding issues. There could be pressure to change things for a wider audience by Amazon. It could honestly just be released in a poor and counter-intuitive way.

[scenic bolt]

it's amazon, GW may have the IP but they're definitely the little dog in that arrangement

[potent hill]

THey arnt going to do that. Because thats not what warhammer is. and the people who know about war hammer is quite massive

[scenic bolt]

like GW stock price shot up a shitton just from that announcement, they're more liable to bend over backwards to appease amazon than otherways around

[crisp heath]

I don't think GW has any (or much) say in what happens in the show? Amazon has full creative rights in my understanding, and Cavill is just the guy they hired to handle the IP

[potent hill]

they wont appease

GW is insanely protective of its universe

[crisp heath]

If the show is bad, the only thing GW can do about it is say "well it's non-canon"

GW is literally the least protective company when it comes to their IP lmao

They sell it out to anyone and everyone who will pay them. GW is the most money-first company we have around, and we're lucky they're making toys and not medicine.

[potent hill]

and they cant afford for it to flop. the fanbase is massive and when it release it will get a even bigger bump. they saw what happened to the witcher. And daddy bezos has fuck you money

[scenic bolt]

GW shareholders got more to lose if the deal dies than amazon does, they'll accommodate even if it ends up being a mediocre product like the space marine movie

[potent hill]

Thats what happened to the witcher, and daddy bezos knows this. And GW knows what the fans expect.

[crisp heath]

Yeah, GW sells 40k to anyone who asks. That's why all these mobile games and mediocre video games exist. GW has a business model that thrives on mediocrity.

For every Mechanicus, Darktide, or Space Marine, there's a hundred Regicides and Space Hulks

[scenic bolt]

like 3/4 of the 40k game franchise is either mobile games or slytherine studios

[potent hill]

well i dont play mobile games

nor do a serach for them

[earnest snow]

I'm on the "wait and see" fence. Many times tv shows have strayed away from dark stuff in the source material because it may get bad press because too shocking or whatever. 40k is grimdark and it maybe a point of conflict during the production of the show.

Either way I'm waiting and gonna see before I make a full opinion about it

[potent hill]

IF henry cavill backs out, then it will be a sign ill admit that

[scenic bolt]

amazon's shown they can be both hands off to a good degree (but thats usually only for when theyve bought an already successful show) or get so hands on that it's detrimental to the final product, so it's basically a crapshoot on what they'll want done

[crisp heath]

I have faith in Cavill to deliver a product with a lot of passion behind it, I'll admit that. But you need more than passion to make a good show.

[potent hill]

I agree but He is already pissed about the witcher. i dont think he wants to be apart of another failure to show the world.

[crisp heath]

Henry Cavill's Witcher situation is complicated and hard to get a good read on because of sensationalist media. All the info about that is messy, and we don't know how he really feels or how complicit he was in the errors of the show or even if he was fired or quit

The Witcher has been an absolute shitshow as far as reporting goes

[potent hill]

but despite ALL oof that henry was great with geralt, and has said how he felt about the story progression.

[crisp heath]

I will say: I'm very happy that 40k is getting a live action show, but it's in very early development with someone who has never produced a show before. It's a complete toss-up whether it will be good, but in this circumstance it's better to assume it will be a flop.

[potent hill]

the simplier more likely thing that happened. and when the fan base was like i told you so, and they got salty and decided the person who said he was leaving.

[north lotus]

It’s almost like Netflix is shit at making content unless it’s licensed

[crisp heath]

I'm more interested in Pariah Nexus, because they are ready to release it next summer, the trailer looked amazing, and it's building off content we already have.

I have faith that Pariah Nexus will actually be good, and it's a great step for official Warhammer animations

[north lotus]

They still did the wrong thing

[potent hill]

prahiah nexas

[earnest snow]

All ik about Pariah Nexus is they got necrons in it and thats cool

[crisp heath]

I mean I think it's also the first official depiction of a Krieger with their mask off, which is super cool for me as a huge lore nerd

[north lotus]

You get far better results just from letting fans do their own thing

[earnest snow]

Is it coming to Hulu or Netflix? No idea if I wanna pay another subscription just to watch Pariah Nexus tbh

[distant osprey]

Where can I find this

[crisp heath]

Oh, the Pariah Nexus is one of the coolest things in lore to me rn and I'm glad their fleshing it, especially in what looks like a quality product

[crisp heath]

I doubt it. I think they still think WH+ is viable

or Warhammer TV, I think they're calling it now

[earnest snow]

rip

[north lotus]

And that pisses me the hell off

[distant osprey]

Necron fanboys (me) are salivating over pariah nexus

Illuminor szeras my beloved

[earnest snow]

I don't think I'll be watching it then because I'm not paying a subscription just to watch one show ._.

[crisp heath]

Necrons are great, Sisters of Battle are great, and I do like Krieg even though I recognize the fans are obnoxious. So I like pretty much every faction present, even though none of them are my favorite.

[north lotus]

The whole point of streaming services is that for minimal cost you get a decent cross section of media from different settings and types

[crisp heath]

I think the Space Marines in the trailer are Ultramarines and Salamanders? Kind of bland, but I'm not complaining.

[north lotus]

Want to watch Tom cruise try and kill himself several times? Available

[crisp heath]

Most people now spend more a month on streaming than they would on cable 5 years ago. Streaming has ultimately been a detriment.

[north lotus]

And censorship coming from it is even worse.

[crisp heath]

I have neither cable nor streaming, well, I do have a Screambox account but I only paid for 1 month.

[north lotus]

Damning something to memory is a bad idea.

[crisp heath]

I don't know anything about censorship issues in streaming, since Netflix will host almost anything

[distant osprey]

HE LOOKS SO GOOD

[north lotus]

I’m more saying shit like deleting the exclusives you’ve got into the grave, to where now you have to sail to find it

I can’t remember but one streaming service did that to anime

And everyone hated it

[crisp heath]

Bro I don't know if that sororitas has blood in her hair or if it's dyed, but like, some parts of the trailer I actually mistook for CGI-enhanced live action, especially that scene

The body movements are a bit janky, but I only noticed that when I slowed down the trailer specifically to watch for quality

[distant osprey]

Most likely blood, and cgi is bound to be in mass quantities

[crisp heath]

Probably Crunchyroll

[crisp heath]

I mean it's a digital animation so it's all CGI

Like, it's a CGI show

[north lotus]

They also edit the translation which is worse in my opinion

[distant osprey]

From what I gathered, the show is about the survivors of a necron assault having their faith absolutely shaken while also trying to fight off an assassin

[crisp heath]

I remember when Crunchyroll was a piracy site, and everyone was excited that they became legit. Oh man, how they ruined that.

[crisp heath]

It's literally about the Pariah Nexus, it's not a Necron assault, they're in Necron-controlled space.

[distant osprey]

Oh boy time to go to the wiki

[crisp heath]

The Pariah Nexus is a huge structure the necrons constructed to push back the Warp, and humans in it become depressed and eventually die because it literally cuts them off from their own souls

The Sisters are mostly immune because their extreme faith keeps them going

[storm jungle]

So basically just university, neat

[north lotus]

Nah, twitter.

[crisp heath]

pretty sure it's actually based off Finland

[north lotus]

I can get behind that

Or London

[crisp heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHDohyneEsQ

[plush mason]

so can titans kick?

[iron locust]

Ork Titans definitely can’t

[plush mason]

yeah

[crisp heath]

Depends on the type of titan

Warhounds have mobility in their limbs and can do most things a human body can

Bigger titans? probably not.

Warhounds can fall over, get back up, they can move their arms indepently (bigger titans have to turn their whole body), and they're faster. As titans get bigger, they have to sacrifice their range of motion.

[plush mason]

so a warhound could potentially punt a leman russ tank

[crisp heath]

Probably yeah

[brittle slate]

Definitely.

[plush mason]

just imagine being on a battlefield and seeing that happen

[signal bramble]

It probably steps on most things.

[plush mason]

yeah

[red sage]

A titan couldn't throw a side kick or anything but it could definitely swing its leg at something directly in front of it.

[errant yacht]

So i just had a stupid thought:

Felinid Psykers. Anime catgirls. Only logical conclusion: Mahou Shoujo. I think that'd be the only way for the Adepta Sororitas to tolerate psykers or Emperor forbid, recruit them, if only for the moe factor

[red sage]

Titans aren't power ranger zords, after all. :) Can't do martial arts moves or judo throws or anything. MOstly just blast stuff.

Aeldari titans maybe could do some fancy kicks. They seem pretty agile.

[plush mason]

yeah i was just talking about front kicks

[final solar]

The Exodite did a good job of showcasing this

[raven prawn]

I feel like that alone gives them an edge over every other titan lol

[arctic talon]

That’s their big advantage over imperial titans

They go very very fast

[plush mason]

literally dance around them lmao

and they have psyker titans iirc

[raven prawn]

Leg sweep lol

[arctic talon]

Me when the eldar titan causes a minor warp storm(this wasn’t in the infantryman’s uplifting primer)

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/scared-child-running-away-baby-spooked-gif-23509618

me as soon as i see the bitch take the field

[brittle slate]

They can straight up ninja

[red sage]

I'd argue a Warhound titan could maybe pull off a proper front kick, driving with the heel, etc., but any of the bigger titans couldn't. They'd just be swinging their leg forward similar to a wrecking ball.

[round cedar]

eldar wraith titans do drop kicks

[red sage]

An eldar wraith titan could legit suplex an imperial titan if it wanted to.

[round cedar]

my favorite description of how warhoud titans move is "it marched forward like an arthritic old man hobbling after its grandchildren"

and it still is imposing as hell

imperial titans are for better firepower at range, basically mobile heavy weapon platforms

eldar wraiths are meant to got toe to toe in melee with necron god machines

[red sage]

Random thought; It's interesting to think that the Eldar before the fall were just perpetrating a galaxy wide The Purge.

[round cedar]

yea basically escept 100x worse

[round cedar]

imperial psi titans > eldar psycher titans

too bad there are like 20 of em left

[plush mason]

wherent they wiped out completely during the heresy?

[red sage]

Can't quote you a line or anything but there are a "classified" amount of psi-titans in the 41st millenium.

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know exactly what happened to the Ordo Sinister, but there’s 0 references to them still existing in current lore

There’s some really old lore of one assisting with fighting an Orc Waaaggghhh but that hasn’t been referenced again since we got the newer lore on the Psi-Titans and the Ordo Sinister

[plush mason]

k

[dusk patrol]

But all that being said, based off Mortis, they probably just died out in the Siege

[plush mason]

yeah thats what the oculus imperia video i watched on them said

tho it was left open ended with the possibility that a few lords of terror may still exist in 40k

also

the left hand of darkness is a weapon right out of anime

[dusk patrol]

Yeah their gun is basically the “I win” button of the setting

[plush mason]

an energy cannon that deletes souls

[dusk patrol]

Not much that can take that

And it’s not even just souls

But yes, we don’t know what happened and they definitely could still exist in current 40k if GW decides they wanna do it

Since their only real appearance outside of the titan game excerpts is during the Siege in one book

And we don’t get any conclusive answers on how many were lost

[plush mason]

blanks are rare yes?

and titan prefects rarer still

so a prefect blank had to be insanely rare

[red sage]

"Rare." Again, scale is always wrong in 40k. I believe in current lore, all humans are mildly psychic but most cannot access their talents. 1% of all humans are psychers and .1% of those are blanks.

But realize; 1% of 1 trillion is still 10 billion people.

[plush mason]

yeah those hit by the beam are erased body and soul, those near the beam have their souls destroyed and their bodies as oculus put it "collapse like puppets with their strings cut"

[red sage]

There are so many people in the imperium, you're safe to assume there are as many psychers and blanks available as are necessary to the plot and, conversely, there are as few available as any particular writer needs.

[celest dome]

Doesn't it also have to be a Blank of high quality?

[plush mason]

ye

[celest dome]

Like Jurgen level blank are most likely less rare than the Sister of Silence level of Blank

[red sage]

I mean, given how shitty the imperium is generally, I suspect an uncountable number of people who COULD BE perfect blanks just hide their power and are never found. Good on them.

[plush mason]

dont the sisters of silence have a special gene that makes them super blanks?

[brittle slate]

40,000,000,000 psykers...

[plush mason]

and counting

[brittle slate]

40,000,000 blanks...

[red sage]

Once you start getting into the "billions of x exist/happen," you very quickly realize that exceedingly rare situations happen constantly.

It's just never the same exceedingly rare situation twice. :)

[plush mason]

the ecclesiarchy has been doing nothing but shitting a brick since the psykic awakening i bet

[brittle slate]

nah

this is their time

they've got the celestial meth that's keeping the imperium going

[thick cedar]

I have 2 million coins. Would i be considered part of the 1% in lore

[arctic talon]

No, you have inquisition Monopoly money lol

It’s worthless outside of the ship

If you have 2 million aquillas that isn’t that many either

[uncut karma]

Idk, i think Valdor has a few

[thick cedar]

So my headcanon of sending my family money is the equivilent of sending them grass?

[arctic talon]

You could be paid an actual salary

But the currency in game is uh

Monopoly money

[unique berry]

Pretty much

[thick cedar]

at least they can touch it

[earnest snow]

currency is different from sector to sector. You could be considered poor as hell in societies that don't rely on sheckles for their currency or a rich mfer in societies that have twirly mustaches.

[celest dome]

Your salary is time, that you pay to delay your execution

[unique berry]

I think since we actual join the Inquisitors group we are somewhat "saver" then before

[thick cedar]

Didnt the imperium execute people who knew about daemons to keep it under wraps but after cadia exploded the cat got out of the bag? i remember reading something about that

[arctic talon]

Great rift makes it sort of impossible

Because a giant warp rift in the sky

Is uh

Yeah

[storm jungle]

They still do execute people

but the lore acknowledges this is dumb as shit

Warzone Charadon had more or less a Armageddon tier purge after a big chaos incursion

[unique berry]

Ah yes and the Month of shame that followed

[brittle slate]

if anything, knowledge of what's out there has actually helped keep the imperium together

[storm jungle]

They mindwipe the Marines and Sororitas in that

but uh, the guardsman and any human gets purged in the millions lmao

the problem with that is Sororitas and Marines fight chaos weekly so like why

[iron locust]

The inquisition has better things to do, like sending an assassin over the cicatrix maledictum to kill a loyalist chapter master over some beef they had with the chapter

[storm jungle]

Its all for the Greater Meme

https://tenor.com/view/hot-fuzz-greater-good-evil-funny-gif-5283257

[iron locust]

Seriously though the entire galaxy is split in half there’s chaos everywhere and they decide sending an assassin to imperium nihilus over some thing in the past was a good use of resources

[storm jungle]

Its basically just to show the Inquisition is as indept as it is effective

[dusk patrol]

Inquisitors are often nothing if not petty

[storm jungle]

^

[dusk patrol]

Also the Inquisition isn't really one thing

Its one particular Inquisitor whose decided they wanna fuck over the Lions even more.

[storm jungle]

Also if we heard about Inquisitors doing good things people would whine its not grimdank enough, its why you hear more about the atrocities they commit than the things they save

that and being an Inquisitor is an incredibly thankless job

[dusk patrol]

Its entirely possible said Inquisitor gets killed or has already been killed by other factions who think he or she is being a numpty.

[iron locust]

Is there like an inquisition leader or is it a group council based system

[storm jungle]

Uh kinda

[dusk patrol]

There's a high lord representative

But they're not really like, in charge

[storm jungle]

Basically

[dusk patrol]

Its a bunch of factions within the faction

[storm jungle]

the Inquisitors have bosses but they are all in their own cabals and cliques

yeah what Eternal said

[dusk patrol]

Very political

Just as an example, most Inquisitors technically have the same power, only Inquisitor Lords really have more.

But that doesn't really work in effect if say, the 300 year old veteran with centuries of contacts, allies, an extensive retinue, a fleet, and lots of friends in high and low places comes to blows with some guy who just finished his training and got instated.

[iron locust]

So I know chaos legions can recruit as normal, but can the Pure recruit, since when they were the Star Scorpions they were defective and couldn’t get new members

[dusk patrol]

That being said, even the lowest Inquisitors will have something since they often share contacts and what not with their master, and in order to be instated they have the have three other Inquisitors agreed or an Inquisitor Lord, not to mention the training.

[dusk patrol]

We don't really know with that

But its likely Chaos "assisted" with it

[hollow sigil]

So does Abaddon have exactly same face as Horus?

[dusk patrol]

No

But he looks similar

[hollow sigil]

Ah, ok.

[dusk patrol]

There was another member of the Mournival who has his face though

Horus "Little Horus" Aximand

It was a not totally uncommon occurrence in the Sons of Horus for some recruits to look almost exactly like him.

And it happens to varying degrees with other legions and later the chapters

[hollow sigil]

Alright.

[dusk patrol]

Blood Angels for example are all basically beautiful.

[hollow sigil]

And Ultramarines are nerds/control freaks?

[dusk patrol]

They can be

Big on logistics

[iron locust]

They are supposed to be the Swiss army knife of space marines right as well

[hollow sigil]

And big on Codex so they're likely least eccentric?

[dusk patrol]

Generally speaking although its never really just one thing

They do adapt well

[iron locust]

So if I’m understanding lore correctly, when the legions were split into chapters, each legion still had a chapter named after the original legion correct?

[dusk patrol]

Yes

Amongst loyalists that is

Only Salamanders and Space Wolves lacked successors, Sallies due to having extremely low numbers and Space Wolves due to not caring about the codex and also not being able to make marines out of people not from Fenris

[iron locust]

Okay and one more question. On the Last Wall lexicanum page it mentions that it was formed by Dorn and includes the Soul Drinkers in it, but the soul drinkers were later discovered to be unknown primarch. Were they added after the creation of the plan?

[dusk patrol]

I’m not really sure, they’re all gone now anyways

Soul Drinkers lore is really weird

And idk if I trust Lexi with that stuff too

[storm jungle]

Soul Drinkers are still around

[dusk patrol]

Well now they are

Because Primaris

[storm jungle]

oh yeah before they were DED

[dusk patrol]

Lots of chapters who got wiped out or were lost prior got remade during the Ultima founding

[storm jungle]

for more cash-money reasons

I mean, because they were very valiant

[iron locust]

What if the lamenters aren’t cursed but actually just being pushed to such events by some outside force that hides itself well

[storm jungle]

Honestly their bad luck is never explained

but its probably the case

because theres bad luck, then being literally steamrolled in bad circumstances at every turn

thats when it gets sus

[dusk patrol]

They were cursed founding and their one of the only chapters which doesn’t have an obvious physical issue or deformity which showed up

But they were an attempt to cure the Black Rage, and it can probably be linked to that

Basically fuck around with warp stuff like that and it fucks back

[iron locust]

Was it explained why Sanguinius’ death caused the gene-seed to go haywire? Like was it the affect on his sons that caused the organ that produces it to change or did it also affect existing stocks?

[dusk patrol]

It’s a psychic backlash thing

the Blood Angels have always been a more connected chapter

Sanguinius could feel his sons dying no matter where they were

[iron locust]

If caused by psychic, wouldn’t the cure be psychic not genetic then?

[dusk patrol]

It’s kinda one and the same for geneseed

[iron locust]

In terms of the cursed founding

[dusk patrol]

We also don’t really know what tampering was used

Possible they reduced the connection to the psychic nature of the geneseed

Cawl tried to do it too but it didnt work

[storm jungle]

Not even his Gary-Stu engineering skills could do it

[dusk patrol]

Hey look he worked on it for 10,000 years and he had the other guys notes

If anything he’s kinda bad at his job

[storm jungle]

fr fr

tbh i dread knowing one day GW is gonna make him fix the golden throne or something equally as stupid

[iron locust]

Speaking of Cawl, doesn’t he know the workings of cadia pylons somewhat now or something? Is it possible for him to make more

[dusk patrol]

He doesn’t know them really but he has some understanding

[storm jungle]

Yeah he basically knows its more or less Necron tech

[dusk patrol]

Doesn’t matter though because they’re all gone

[storm jungle]

rip

[whole ruin]

Oi, I have to ask I'm kind of new to the whole Warhammer 40k lore but I have been reading alot about Nurgle obsessed for some reason 😛 my friend on the other hand speaks about it alot his been around longer than me so.. The Morningstar we all hang around in is this based on "Mechanicus" and are we servants of him or are we/becoming these ' Guardsmen ' , sorry if I make no sense again veery new

[dusk patrol]

It’s why he knew to look for them

[iron locust]

But the necrons built them they can build more of them

[dusk patrol]

Abbadon was destroying all similar pylons

And he saw the pattern

Ironically Abbadon’s attempt to destroy them almost caused his defeat in some ways

But it worked out still

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really clear

But they do have the Pariah nexus

So they can make something similar at least

[storm jungle]

Mechanicus the game? No.

And you are less becoming guardsmen and more just agents of the Inquisition, or in this case the acolytes of Inquisitor Grendyl whos more or less a background character in the game currently, the ship we are on is more or less borrowed.

[iron locust]

So in a hypothetical situation, the necrons are about to lose and be wiped out. Wouldn’t it be possible for them to adopt scorched earth and use their star map thingy to destroy the galaxy?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

Necrons are literally broken power-wise

[dusk patrol]

It probably wouldn’t happen though

[storm jungle]

they just never steamroll anyone because plot

[dusk patrol]

The dynasty in charge would never use it

Even if they were being destroyed

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are responsible folk

that i dont know

last measures and all that

they basically only dont use it as to not destroy entire star systems or cause galactic natural disasters

[whole ruin]

Ah okie then I can stop being confused about that at least :), I thought it had something to do with the cult consider I keep on seeing similar tech or so I've been told. Thanks for the information

[dusk patrol]

But theoretically yes though could

[iron locust]

Well they may never use it. But another dynasty could start a war with them

[dusk patrol]

Already happening

[iron locust]

Imagine the day Chaos wins but then some chaos warlord fiddles with the star map and destroys their new galaxy

[storm jungle]

No worries, and yeah the techpriest is more or so like the ship's I.T woman, theres more like her out there but she is specifically "hired" in this case for the mission at hand.

[storm jungle]

Chaos is deffo gonna win

at least whenever 40k stops making money and gets nuked due to tabletop reasons

[iron locust]

I sense some fantasy ptsd

[whole ruin]

Ah I see interesting 🙏

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I think if they did a 40k end times they might mix it up

Make the Nids or Necrons win

Or no one wins

[iron locust]

Mechanicus isn’t a person too. It’s the Adeptus Mechanicus, a machine cult that worships the Omnissiah, the machine god

[dusk patrol]

At least I can sleep soundly knowing the Tau can definitely never win

[storm jungle]

the best ending id write for the tau is they just leave the galaxy

its hilariously realistic and the most sensible thing to do

especially as everyone else just keeps murdering each other

[iron locust]

Adios amigos

[storm jungle]

"Aight imma head out"

[whole ruin]

Ah yes from what I understand as well, thanks

[iron locust]

:)

[iron locust]

Any other questions?

[whole ruin]

I will make sure to ask if I have some, thank you ^_^. I was about to jump into another match but I will be going out now need to walk my dog and get some of that fresh morning air before the day starts

[storm jungle]

Based routine.

[brittle slate]

Chaos already won, friend

[storm jungle]

shut up nerd

[brittle slate]

lol, sucker, it's the tau that are likely going to end the 40k universe

[brittle slate]

my sibling in christ, look at the galaxy

that's a big ol' W

[iron locust]

Explain whatcha mean by end the universe

In what way

[brittle slate]

well

look at how the board is set right now

Chaos has everything it needs and, even canonically, the gods and the major players are moving on from reality because "been there/done that"

So, in terms of Chaos, raw chaos, they have the ideal ecosystem now until someone stitches up the great rift (and even then)

The two major "threats" to the rest of the factions left in 40k are the Tyranids and their counterweight: Necrons

[iron locust]

So what you’re saying is that chaos painted a big target on their backs for the galaxy to ‘unite’ over until the necrons fully awake or the Tyranid main fleet arrives

[brittle slate]

Not really- unification isn't ever going to happen in 40k

[iron locust]

Let me rephrase

Work together marginally more

[brittle slate]

nah, i don't even see that happening

Eldar have a 'death nuke' they're trying to press

if the Emperor comes back it's a target rich environment for everyone

[iron locust]

I mean, eldar worked with humans to bring back roboute that was cooperation

[brittle slate]

That was to create a strawman and buy them time

[iron locust]

See

[brittle slate]

and Guilliman knows that

[iron locust]

They still worked together marginally more to delay chaos

[brittle slate]

sure- but like i said, chaos doesn't really matter anymore in terms of a 'great enemy'

they already did their thing and won

the two trains coming are Necrons and Tyranids

[iron locust]

So other races just pack up and leave is what is left for them?

To survive

[brittle slate]

mmm. I mean, where would you go?

The Imperium is, as ever, is the biggest bulwark to holding the line. That's just what it does.

[arctic talon]

The galaxy is ultimately doomed at the end of the day

[brittle slate]

Right

[arctic talon]

The thing is watching it happen

[iron locust]

Do the craft worlds require anything from planets to still function?

[arctic talon]

No

[brittle slate]

not really, kind of the whole point

[arctic talon]

The eldar are a post scarcity society

[iron locust]

If the elder packed up and left would they be outside of Slaanesh influence range

[arctic talon]

No

Their souls are intrinsically linked to slaanesh

[brittle slate]

yeah

no matter where you go

[storm jungle]

Old lore had Craftworlds sometimes mining planets for resources but this has never been really retconned, though its not really mentioned in recent lore either.

Craftworlds are basically living paradises that have anything you could need.

[brittle slate]

anyway

[arctic talon]

The only thing that counts as an economy for any eldar are Dark Eldar and slaves

[brittle slate]

the imperium is the big shield, even if it's a crumbling one

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[brittle slate]

and the Tau are proactively dismantling it better than anyone has ever done in the history of its existence

and the more they chip away at it, the worse every single end-game scenario is

[iron locust]

Imagine being the silent king and coming back to warn about the Tyranids and seeing the big chaos scar appear

[brittle slate]

I don't think the Silent King really worries about chaos

[dusk patrol]

I think what GW has been trying to do in recent editions is make it actually interesting

[arctic talon]

The silent king worries about it the same way he worries about orks

He tells his underlings to deal with it

And they do

[brittle slate]

right, just something that could fuck up his plan to stop the nids

[iron locust]

As in he should be worried about it or he doesn’t worry about it and he doesn’t need to because necron curbstomp

[dusk patrol]

It’s not really clear whose winning and losing and there’s a path for everyone to maybe do something

Except Tau

[arctic talon]

The pariah nexus eliminates chaos as a threat

[brittle slate]

because chaos doesn't ultimately threaten the necrons

[arctic talon]

As do all the necron null nexuses

[dusk patrol]

It does but they can ignore it

[brittle slate]

And it doesn't really effect any of their resource bases

[arctic talon]

Daemons can’t manifest

[iron locust]

Okay so how has chaos already won then

[arctic talon]

Because they’re unending

[iron locust]

If tyranids don’t win over necrons then don’t chaos and necrons enter stalemate

[arctic talon]

Chaos will win so long as sapient life exists

Including chaos tainted beings

In warp rifts

[dusk patrol]

Chaos will probably win but also like

[iron locust]

Don’t necrons have no psychic soul

[arctic talon]

It’ll be a long time

[dusk patrol]

It’s not guaranteed, and it could take thousands of years

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t matter when chaos has tons of mortal followers

[dusk patrol]

And maybe they still don’t because something else shows up

[arctic talon]

And just bcs Necrons don’t have a soul

Doesn’t mean the sword of hell energy won’t cut into em

[dusk patrol]

Basically, the setting isn’t decided and stuff can still happen.

And even if Chaos will eventually win

They can be delayed for a long long time

It’s not the same timeframe but it’s like, technically Earth will be gone one day

The sun will burn out eventually

[iron locust]

Although stuff can still happen, what are the chances that the new 40k cinematic universe still favors the humans in winning stuff

[arctic talon]

Decently

Bcs it’s all small scale

[dusk patrol]

Considering they’re probably gonna use existing stories

[arctic talon]

Individuals almost never change the status quo

[brittle slate]

the galaxy is, right now, their ideal ecosystem

so, what else is their to gain?

[iron locust]

Like I’m glad that the new show has like necrons in it but then I remember they are facing the imperium, which means they probably won’t win the story

[arctic talon]

Eh

The opening

[brittle slate]

... um, yeah.

[arctic talon]

To the trailer

Has the sister of battle

In uh something

With a necron thing over her face

So uh

[brittle slate]

humans literally always win..

[arctic talon]

Maybe not lol

[brittle slate]

it's increasingly boring but that's the corner gw has painted themselves into

[arctic talon]

Also the main antagonist seems to literally just be a single death mark

Which is accurate

[brittle slate]

the more normal your fan base the less likely they are to even be able to comprehend aliens (or whatever) winning

[iron locust]

No one wins because heat death universe. Case closed

[celest dome]

Isn't the show called Pariah even ?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

But pariah’s don’t exist in lore

As a necron thing

[brittle slate]

but:

[arctic talon]

Or rather they “exist” in the sense that Illuminator seraz fucked around with humans once

[dusk patrol]

It’s in the Pariah nexus

[arctic talon]

With the blank gene

[arctic talon]

Yeah this

And he decided it wasn’t worth his time

Don’t need a human when blackstone does the same job

And a necron with blackstone can put themselves back together

[brittle slate]

i think it's safe to conclude you're just actually a hater

[arctic talon]

A squishy pariah cannnot

[iron locust]

The year is 2030. GW, desperate to keep the 41k setting alive, introduces space lizard men

[brittle slate]

yeah, i thought this was kinda depressing

[arctic talon]

But imo the pariah nexus show won’t have an imperial victory

[brittle slate]

it does make necrons even more of an island

[dusk patrol]

I mean more I just have an actual realistic view of the Tau faction

[arctic talon]

Since the imperium is literally getting their asses beaten

[dusk patrol]

And I’m not high on copium

[arctic talon]

In all the big null zones

And also the opening

[brittle slate]

(and you don't actually know tau lore) but we've been over this

[arctic talon]

With either the sister of battle or someone with very similar scar patterns

[brittle slate]

that's the thing

[arctic talon]

Being in a necron thingy

[brittle slate]

depending on what you think is "winning" or "surviving"

the Imperium is the best shot for "things to stay anywhere near normal"

[dusk patrol]

Ah yes, let’s hear about those thousands and thousands of marines and dozens of chapters they definitely fought, when it was like three incomplete chapters.

[arctic talon]

I mean they’ve lost massive chunks of territory in the Null nexuses

That they’re never getting back

[brittle slate]

aw, still don't like screen grabs eh?

fuck off okay? let's move on

[dusk patrol]

Thinking the Tau can ever win is missing the point of the faction

But Tau fans often do that

[iron locust]

Nah man they killed the king of the space marines and they killed Slaanesh what you on about the imperium just got deleted by tau and will take years to fill the power vacuum :)

Is joke

[brittle slate]

copium indeed.

just another shitheel. ahem- moving on

[dusk patrol]

I don’t dislike Tau, I dislike Tau fans who inflate them to absurd degrees and are incapable of seeing their boys lose or even be not the bestest ever

[brittle slate]

.. i don't want to spend another night just witnessing your grandstanding.

you're worse than people trying to drag politics into a star wars conversation.

[iron locust]

This discord needs a facepalm emote

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

I mean I’m not the one who gets triggered because someone says the obvious fact that Tau can’t win

[brittle slate]

your pearl clutching is exhausting

[dusk patrol]

The Imperium can almost certainly never win

Lots of factions can’t

If they can’t, the Tau never have a prayer

I wasn’t even talking to you but you decided to get triggered my guy

[brittle slate]

i'm not your guy, friend

[dusk patrol]

So don’t go acting like I’m somehow the one being a baby or whatever

Anyways

[iron locust]

I mean, didn’t GW overstate Chaos power during the End Times. Theoretically they could do the same things for imperium

[brittle slate]

(had to get that last word in there, didn't you)

such a dweeb.

[brittle slate]

what do you mean overstate?

[dusk patrol]

He says, as he tries to get the last word

[arctic talon]

End Times was a mistake but not really

[brittle slate]

Oh, I got the last word.

[arctic talon]

Can you two just kiss already

[dusk patrol]

👍

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/bamgottem-bam-got-him-bam-steven-he-stoobid-gif-22254888

[iron locust]

Didn’t chaos steamroll everyone else with barely any victories for the “good guys”?

[arctic talon]

I mean

[dusk patrol]

It was just kinda boring

[brittle slate]

you mean fantasy?

[iron locust]

Yeah

[brittle slate]

different

[arctic talon]

Yeah but that’s literally chaos dedicating everything they have

[brittle slate]

and a mistake

[arctic talon]

In fantasy

Mistake or not it was chaos getting their shit together

Even if the writing was god awful

[iron locust]

Rip tomb kings (for now)

[brittle slate]

they're coming back

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

The issue was it the writing was bad

[brittle slate]

but 40k wise it's in a weird place

[dusk patrol]

Chaos just won because it always won

[iron locust]

Give source pls

[dusk patrol]

And they skipped forward a lot

[arctic talon]

Warhammer the old world

[brittle slate]

likely heading toward another massive retcon

[dusk patrol]

But I didn’t hate all the End Times

[brittle slate]

neither

[brittle slate]

fantasy is coming back in an expansion like 30k

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-yes-agree-ahuh-gif-14150176

[iron locust]

…but that won’t tell me what happened to Settra after end times

[brittle slate]

except it'll be set before the end times

[arctic talon]

He’s fucking dead lol

[brittle slate]

before Teclis went across the sea and taught humanity how to use magic

[iron locust]

No corpse no death

[arctic talon]

The stormcast with a similar name

Isn’t him

We know that

[brittle slate]

honestly, i think it's when the tomb kings are being discovered by the brettonians or shortly after

[arctic talon]

Even if mannfred is fucking insane

[brittle slate]

so lots of tomb kings

[arctic talon]

Odds are yeah

Also it’ll be awkward for Empire and Dwarves

Since both Steam tanks and copters

Aren’t a thing yet lol

Then again you need a few hundred dollars worth of line troops

Before fielding those

[brittle slate]

i'm sure they'll have a way of bringing it all back

[dusk patrol]

Settra I would bet they'll bring back in Legions of Nagash tbh

but we'll see

[brittle slate]

rumor is smaller armies

[arctic talon]

Settra might end up under the death umbrella but not really being in it

[arctic talon]

Thank fucking god

[brittle slate]

somewhere between LOTR and AoS

[arctic talon]

Worst part of fantasy was painting tons of boring ass minis

[brittle slate]

I think 50 models?

[arctic talon]

To get a single cool one

[iron locust]

Hey are tech-priests like Hadron allowed to ask for Skitarii reinforcements?

[brittle slate]

40?

something

[arctic talon]

On the table

[arctic talon]

She prolly has some

But she wouldn’t dedicate them to helping us

[brittle slate]

yeah

and resources don't really work like that in 40k

[arctic talon]

Because they’re more valuable as guards/scouts/other things

[brittle slate]

think "age of the sail"

[arctic talon]

If she wanted skitarii

[brittle slate]

you have what you brought with you

[iron locust]

Not until she learns about what the community thinks about her

[arctic talon]

She’d prolly kidnap some children

Or ask them

Lmao

[celest dome]

In theory yes

[iron locust]

This is literally my theory as to how skitarii archetype could fit with the game’s prologue

You get abducted after the Grendyl cutscene

[brittle slate]

that's what the tau were initially supposed to be

[arctic talon]

🪚 time

[brittle slate]

ew

[arctic talon]

I mean

[brittle slate]

your pleasure center only activates when you complete a task

[celest dome]

There are Tech Menial that already would be Admdch oriented so it's not even that needed, and would fit with the personalities

[arctic talon]

You’re gona lose 2 legs at least

If you become a skitarii lol

Also your eye lids

[iron locust]

3 personalities: Code Talk, robot speak, and binary

[celest dome]

In theory yes, but there are Skitarii who have very few upgrades

[dusk patrol]

They're all at least connected through the Noosphere

[brittle slate]

.... sigh

[arctic talon]

What lol

[brittle slate]

it's like 2am and i just want to sleep

and now i can't get the image of losing my lids

[arctic talon]

I’m sorry

[brittle slate]

and now i looked up that excerpt

[arctic talon]

💀

[celest dome]

Still Skitarii would most likely be a class for the Admech archetype than the Archetype itself

[brittle slate]

it's so rough... as is the numerous amounts of fan art depicting it

[iron locust]

The alternative

[brittle slate]

but to answer your question, at least i think it was your question. if the imperium is the bulwark preventing everything to be truly "age of strife" levels of awful in the galaxy then it's the tau that are eroding them the most critically out of all the threats out there

so, when I saw that they'll be the ones to end everything, it's because by their actions we're losing the imperium the most completely

[celest dome]

Not Chaos ?

[brittle slate]

Chaos has kind of 'set the terms' if you know what i mean

everyone now knows what chaos is

at least broadly

like take darktide for example

i'm sure people in the hive are losing their will to live and joining the zombie hordes bubbling up from the lower levels

but nothing is very subtle, at least not as subtle as it was before the rift

[iron locust]

Wasn’t the trailer showing poxwalkers are caused by heretical gas

[celest dome]

But how/why would the Tau be the most critical threat ?

[brittle slate]

i'm being slightly hyperbolic when i say join the zombie hordes- i mean becoming cultists

[celest dome]

Maybe was the Groaner, Nd not the Poxwalker

[brittle slate]

because at the end of the day, and according to most of the lore (limited as it always is) that we see, GW is really making the Tau a coalitionary threat again

regular people join the tau because they're just nicer or at least have a game plan

[arctic talon]

My favorite part is the CIA Water caste arming imperial pirates

[brittle slate]

exactly

[celest dome]

Still, Chaos is a more critical threat

[brittle slate]

not really

the more chaos saber rattles or creates warp storms- the stronger the imperium kinda gets

chaos isn't an alternative- it's hell on earth.. um, space

the people that join chaos are ultimately the weakest and most depraved parts of humanity

the people left on the imperial side are the best parts of (what the emperor) thinks is the best parts of humanity

now

what the Tau are doing is uniting the "regular" people. weaponizing them, giving them an alternative to the plodding doom machine that is the imperium and the "get a free tentacle" option that is chaos

and you see that at Nachmund

Chalnath

Lithesh

and so on

but by doing so, by making "atheists" out of everyone, the tau are actually weakening the greatest weapons the "order" parts of the galaxy have when fighting against the tyranids/chaos threats

meanwhile, they're just straight subverting the eldritch parts of the universe by backward engineering necron tech and starting to get into the webway

[iron locust]

Don’t worry though they killed Slaanesh

[brittle slate]

that was... like maybe 1000 years ago

[iron locust]

No what?

[brittle slate]

yeah- it's a really tired joke that memes and reddit keep reviving

no offense

[iron locust]

Fack

[brittle slate]

tau have fought and known what chaos is since before they encountered the imperium

[arctic talon]

The only thing warhammer fans like more then the setting

[brittle slate]

farsight mercenaries have even loaned out to chaos forces before

[arctic talon]

Is repeating the same fucking jokes for 10+ years

[iron locust]

Sorry didn’t know

[brittle slate]

GIRLYMAN!!! HAR HAR HAR! Abbadon? More like FAILbaddon

[arctic talon]

Krieg shovel

[brittle slate]

hey- no, i'm literally meaning no offense, most people don't know too much about tau lore

the youtubers have really slaughtered our credibility

[hot briar]

first time seeing this on the screen

kinda interesting

[brittle slate]

and the BL author phil kelly is just throwing cherry bombs all over the place and fucking up dinnertime

[brittle slate]

i did want it to be a shovel in the exodite...

[iron locust]

Laugh.

[brittle slate]

man.. did they ruin krieg.

fucking clones... like who cares about clones.

"we fight to regain our honor"

... you're a fucking clone. you have no honor.

[arctic talon]

Also clones shouldn’t even work properly in 40k

Liked they literally have horrific luck

99.99% of the time

The exception being Bile

[hot briar]

the 0.01% of bacteria that wont die

[arctic talon]

Except there’s no way they can make that many clones

With imperial tech

Even bile struggles to make clones at a rate as fast as the dkok would need if they’re all clones

[echo vault]

Grimdarl clone troopers

[arctic talon]

So I choose to ignore that book

For the sake of my sanity

[echo vault]

What if they're grown with the dkok mask on already in the womb

[brittle slate]

hey, i have to ignore kelly otherwise i have to mentally explain how an STL ship travels 10k lightyears in a few weeks.

don't... make me... do that

[echo vault]

I wish they did more cross sections for Warhammer vehicles

[brittle slate]

want to know an epic and keystone secret about imperial vehicle design ?

[echo vault]

Ok

[brittle slate]

kid you not: hex bolts do not exist in all of 40k

it's a hard design rule in all gw models

[arctic talon]

It’s rivets all the way baby

[brittle slate]

hex bolts/screws- an absolute no no

may that help you in your travels

oh-

lol

Rhinos are not sized correctly

but

Thunderhawks are

[arctic talon]

Also there’s some terrain things

With like

Screw like things in em

But they aren’t screws prolly

[mystic geyser]

... can't tell if joking

[arctic talon]

They look more like rivets

[brittle slate]

so, when a thunderhawk transports carries a landraider (also not sized correctly) or a rhino- it's a paradox

[arctic talon]

They don’t exist on any minis

Go look for em

You can’t find them lol

[echo vault]

Stormbird

[brittle slate]

i'm no- it's like a fundamental design decision by GW

[arctic talon]

It’s an asthetic choice

And it’s a smart one

[brittle slate]

hex bolts literally are not allowed in any of the designs

[brittle slate]

?

[mystic geyser]

😂

[brittle slate]

What I mean is- the Thunderhawk model is to correct scale- it can fit what it carries. 10 marines are expected to fit in a rhino- that is physically impossible because a rhino is at the incorrect scale.

But when a Thunderhawk carries these models- it becomes a paradox

[brittle slate]

first of all- holy shit that's incredible. second- is that technically a bolt?

[mystic geyser]

Idk mostly joking. I'm pretty sure orkstuff is covered in them, maybe some civilian stuff. But that's a cool rule for imperial vehicles.

[brittle slate]

I'm going to ask- a bunch of gw model designers just switched companies and have been spilling all kinds of weird things- i'm going to send them this pic

[brittle slate]

My bad- "Imperial" vehicles. But he says that there's a lot of weird "bolt" related bias.

like... apparently Robertson screws are another no fly zone lol

i don't even know what that is

[echo vault]

I'm

Intoxicated on multiple levels, I can't think

[mystic geyser]

Square hole screw. Huh wierd rule

I remember people kicking off that star wars had Phillips head.. like any technology wouldn't exist.

But 40k is in the future so should have the same tech as us.

But simultaneously more and less advanced

Best reference is the tech priest with the 'holy relic' floppy disc

[fallen marsh]

With SW they are just lazy. They dont even bother with hiding modern weapons now. In Galaxy far away they use AK47.

[mystic geyser]

It's supposed to be a callback to how the original films use real guns with simple mods

But that AK was tooo on the nose lol