40k-lore-chat

[brittle slate]

That’s kinda bullshit and I’m sorry you had to deal

[crisp heath]

I had something 40k inspired sitting in openoffice, but I deleted it because I decided I hated it

[brittle slate]

To book end the tau bit- just realize that they were based off the Old Republic (circa 1999) and the Star Trek federation. They’re ultimately an altruistic faction that is the perfect “straight man” so you can see how batshit crazy the 40k universe is.

The imperium has normalized cannibalism you know?

[raven prawn]

I kinda wanna taste imperium food

[crisp heath]

I wanted to do something about an orbital station that most of humanity had to flee to in light of climate crisis and it was pretty much a 40k hive city, and the protagonist was equivalent to an arbites going into the underhive to cull the problem population, but I didn't like what I had and decided I wouldn't salvage any of it

[brittle slate]

Have a tau visit a hive world and just be in mind crippling abject horror at what “basic” human society is like. It’s perfect.

[raven prawn]

Or all 40k food

[serene mist]

Might've been, honestly don't recall

[brittle slate]

Ok mr hammer

https://tenor.com/view/foksrun-armie-hammer-gif-18823893

[serene mist]

But yeah, I threw that little thing "Enlightenment Beckoned", out there and basically they didn't like the premise as a whole

[raven prawn]

Corpse starch 🤤

[serene mist]

"Oh it's good and all but it has a lot of action"

etc

[crisp heath]

Ok, so. I've seen corpse starch portrayed multiple ways. How do you guys see it in your head?

[serene mist]

Soylent Green

...and that's basically it

[crisp heath]

I always saw it as a kind of dense, yellowish-transparent... substance, kind of the texture of taffee but with very little flavor and a bit less chewy

[raven prawn]

I see it as some depressing grey sludge

And some yummy yellowy chunks

[crisp heath]

Like I could see someone opening a bar of this like, dense resin-like substance and just taking a bite, or cooking down a block of it from a can

[serene mist]

Anywhoo if anyone wants to they can throw back some sort of feedback to that short story

[crisp heath]

I would but I'm so shitfaced I think my house is about to devolve into a scene from wolf of wall street

[serene mist]

lol

[raven prawn]

I wanna take some slaaneshi drugs

[serene mist]

You have no answers

[unique berry]

Thats why I ask to get da answer

[rose thorn]

I really hope the EC’s lore on the siege of terra gets changed when the book drops lmao. That’s so fucking stupid

[raven prawn]

Agreed

Warp dust sure hits hard tho

[hushed kayak]

what’s so bad?

during their siege, all i know is they attack citizens

[rose thorn]

They melted ppl down and drank them and made them into drugs

I’m not even kidding

Like- made ppl into alcohol and drugs with magic

[hushed kayak]

[rose thorn]

[hushed kayak]

that’s actually sounds stupid

[rose thorn]

Yeah

It’s very stupid

[hushed kayak]

i think killing citizens sounds better lmao

[rose thorn]

LMAO YEAH

I’d rather they just be diet Drukahri at that point

[hushed kayak]

fr, we all know 10th edition is gonna be big for EC. Based on the leaks, so hopefully something might change

[rose thorn]

YEHA I RELAKY HOPE WE GET GOOD LORE

I hope they play like hero hammer with a snow balling effect

To match their stupid small numbers and ‘ha ha excess go burrrr’

Like the more though out a Turn they add points to some chart, and the chart determines what buffs you get

And on the next turn they loose half of the points or soemthing

OH AND I WANT PALATINE BLAFES

i love palatine blades

But also please give EC good lore

After the drop sight massacre we have zero good lore

[signal bramble]

Hero hammer has grown more prevalent over time with many named characters becoming must includes for several armies.

The eventual Fulgrim model I am near 100% will be a must take.

[signal bramble]

Not sure. Their current legion tactic is actually really good.

I’d hate to lose it.

[rose thorn]

Yeah but honestly it’s kinda busted lmao

For the CSM codex

[signal bramble]

Eh not exactly. They aren’t utterly dominating every tournament. I’d rather see the other legions become competitive. They botched the night lords pretty badly. The only faction that’s decent with LD shenanigans is the daemons.

[rose thorn]

I’d hate for EC to be just basic marines in a different codex

[rose thorn]

Yeah but at least for NL it matches the lore

that’s what all the NL fans keep telling them selves

[signal bramble]

Any EC is going to take noise marines anyway.

[rose thorn]

Yeah it will probably be their main troop force

They will probably also get their own special cultists type thing

DG have poxwalkers, 1k tzaangors, WE jackles .

God I love tzaangors

[signal bramble]

Hope it’s not slaangors.

I know they need to move those model kits but still.

[rose thorn]

Please don’t be slaangors. They are elite murder piles in AOS

I also don’t want them to be like the old repenta models

If they make a new demonette model then fuck yeah I’ll take them as the cultist stand in

[hushed kayak]

Night Lords deserves justice

[rose thorn]

I wish every legion had a character model lmao

[hushed kayak]

imagine being the weakest CSM faction on the tabletop

[rose thorn]

Maybe not primarch level

But like

[hushed kayak]

yeah but STILL DAMN

[rose thorn]

‘Oh yeah WB’s got Zardu

I’m very tempted to make a WB army tbh, but I doubt

They will be the same next edition

[hushed kayak]

yeah this is why i won’t be buying any models until 10th edition comes out.

[rose thorn]

They are Gonna completely change every edition aren’t they?

[hushed kayak]

pretty much

[rose thorn]

Same, besides knights I’m done with 40k models this edition

Next edition I’ll probably come back

[hushed kayak]

They’re also gonna let more HH models into 10th edition

[rose thorn]

OOOOO

[signal bramble]

Someone once put forth an interesting theory about them I really liked. Out of all the legions they’ve changed the least. They’re a legion of sadists and torturers and that’s still what they’re doing now. Only their list of potential targets has increased.

[rose thorn]

I really hope they shove the fallen into the CSM codex

And make their own subfaction

Like they did in 8th

[signal bramble]

You technically can do that now still. There’s rules for them in a white dwarf.

But they’re awful.

[rose thorn]

It’s not even a sub faction lmao; it’s a special detachment

THAT USE MODELS RHAT DONT HAVE RULES LMAO

[hushed kayak]

they haven’t honestly changed much since the heresy, but they did got slight worse

[rose thorn]

THE FALLEN (MODELS) DONT HAVE 9TH EDITION RULES

[signal bramble]

They’re still doing what they do.

[rose thorn]

Also I want a Luther model

[hushed kayak]

oh boy pre-heresy?

[rose thorn]

Post

[signal bramble]

They got an index in white dwarf a year ago.

[rose thorn]

He literally just escaped

[signal bramble]

And it has their data sheet.

[hushed kayak]

yeah, i wonder how Lion is gonna feel

after returning

They made up together after the heresy, but who knows how that’ll change now he commands the military overall

forgot the context lmao

[rose thorn]

Actaulky both

[hushed kayak]

this is towards gulliman

[rose thorn]

I hope it’s the exact same model

It would be hilarious and perfect if Luther has the exact same model for HH and 40k.

Since he was stuck in the shadow realm for 10k years

For the worst torture ever made. Incompetence

[hushed kayak]

i still don’t get how he could see the future.

i know he was chaos influenced but still

[rose thorn]

He went semi crazy, has a pact with tzeentch, and Caliban was infected by tzeentch

That’s why it was full of mutated monsters

[hushed kayak]

was it really tzeentch?

[rose thorn]

Yup!

[hushed kayak]

i don’t remember that, i need to read it up again

[rose thorn]

I love Luther first of the fallen

[signal bramble]

Same.

[rose thorn]

I really wanna know why the new character is attacking the rock

[hushed kayak]

i love how Lion was able to overcome his stupid social skills. Really changed him the way he talked to Luther in the end

[hushed kayak]

huh

[rose thorn]

Uhhh the chaos admech guy

[hushed kayak]

oh the daemon guy

[rose thorn]

Why can’t I remember his name?

Yeah

[signal bramble]

It has all sorts of ancient tech.

[rose thorn]

Oh

[hushed kayak]

dark angels always did have the most dark age technologies

[rose thorn]

Then Luther is gonna disappear from the lore isn’t he lmao

[signal bramble]

Vashtorr the Arkifane.

[hushed kayak]

why’d you think that?

[rose thorn]

There was no hints of him getting a model

[signal bramble]

Their 8th edition codex says they have hidden stc’s for stuff only they use.

[hushed kayak]

dear god i can imagine the story right now

Lion awaking up, amidst the battle. Everyone just stops and looks at the primarch. The same situation as Gulliman

[rose thorn]

WIAT THE KNIFE IS FHERE

AT THE ROCK

OH FUCK

[hushed kayak]

[signal bramble]

“Vashtorr is tearing up the rock! But here comes the Lion with a steel chair!”

[rose thorn]

THAT WAS SUCH A PLOT POINT IN LUTHER

[hushed kayak]

man FUCK. why does it take them this long to release stories

[rose thorn]

It would be the funniest shit if Lion came back and got insta killed by the knife

[signal bramble]

“The lion is back. Now go spend money on his forge world model.”

[rose thorn]

KNIFE KNIFE KNIFE!!

[hushed kayak]

The ynnari comes in with another healing armour

[rose thorn]

Good thing they replaced gulliman’s model, his HH model blows

[signal bramble]

Cypher will show up and throw the lion his sword.

Then disappear and the lion will beat up Vashtorr who runs away.

[rose thorn]

🔫

[hushed kayak]

this shit is reminding me of the show Merlin’s ending

[signal bramble]

And the cypher is actually Alpharius.

[rose thorn]

And is loyal

[signal bramble]

[rose thorn]

God Please cypher book fix cypher

Please why did he aid Gulliman-

[hushed kayak]

[signal bramble]

It’s gonna leave you more questions than answers.

Plus probably unreliable narrator.

[hushed kayak]

i know he helps both sides, but i feel like he’s still loyal to the emperor. But not to the imperium

[rose thorn]

I want it to replace the bad question with fun good ones

[signal bramble]

He’ll do something to subvert expectations and as we all know subvert expectations is automatically good writing.

[hushed kayak]

PRANK

[rose thorn]

Cypher is gathering all the fallen, and has been attacking and aiding both chaos and the imperium Hmm

[signal bramble]

“Azrael it was all just a prank bro. You’re being filmed.”

[rose thorn]

Side note; remember how there is an alpha legion cult that literally has access to the high lords of the imperium.

[signal bramble]

I believe it.

[rose thorn]

Yeah they left heads of 10 assassins that were sent after them in the fridge of their kitchen

[signal bramble]

Their absurd capabilities let’s you write anything about them and just say it’s because 5D chess.

[hushed kayak]

i remember that lmao

[rose thorn]

I feel like it’s more of the incompetence of the imperium, considering that Terra is the biggest hub of chaos cultists besides the fucking warp

[hushed kayak]

people tend to forget the Alpha Legion is the best when it comes espionage

[signal bramble]

Like how in a recent novel there is a secret alpha legion spy that’s personally watching Guilliman and he doesn’t even realize it.

Also, that above bit of lore is something I just made up but because alpha legion didn’t you immediately think I was telling the truth?

[rose thorn]

I am Alpharius, this is a lie

But frfr alpha legion is a meme done right

[hushed kayak]

It’s kinda scary how many Alpha Legion warband have teamed up, now that there’s a new Harrowmaster

[signal bramble]

Another thing? You can do the very same trick with Cawl. You can make up some nonsensical advancement but because it’s Cawl folks are inclined to believe it.

[hushed kayak]

also he wields ALPHARIUS FUCKING SPEAR

[rose thorn]

Cawl is making a new form of imperial knights .

This isn’t a lie

It was talked about in kingmaker assassinorum

I think he calls it ‘Cawls glory’

Or something stupid

[hushed kayak]

well in his book, he did say he had many projects

[signal bramble]

You’re mistaken.

It’s called Cawl’s Wrath.

It’s a relic in the knight’s codex.

Only used by a Castellan.

[signal bramble]

Nah it’s addressing a lore point from the knights codex.

[rose thorn]

Let me grab my codex!

[signal bramble]

It was addressing the fact Cawl made a better knight weapon. Knights are from stc’s that are thousands of years old so tampering with it is not looked upon kindly by the sacristans.

[rose thorn]

Yeah that might be it,

[signal bramble]

Knight lore is my specialty tbh. ;x

[rose thorn]

I’d check but I don’t feel like flipping THOGUHT the audio book

[rose thorn]

AhHhh okay! I remember her saying the name was like, really egotistical, the lady was probably over playing the changes then

[signal bramble]

I know the moment. The head sacristan is talking to jester’s sacristan about him creating Cawls wrath.

[rose thorn]

But tech heresy is tech heresy

[signal bramble]

A super powerful plasma decimator.

[rose thorn]

YEAHHH

[signal bramble]

She was name dropping the relic in the dex.

[rose thorn]

Okay okay thank you

I thgouht she said an entire knight lmao

[signal bramble]

Nah.

[rose thorn]

But to be fair he would totally try to do that

Oh yeah what’s your favorite house?

[signal bramble]

Taranis.

[hushed kayak]

speaking of knights, any idea why most of them have the need to go to a certain location? I remember vaguely something about that.

or more like direction

[signal bramble]

Wot

[hushed kayak]

i remember something along the line, when i was watching a video on them. They had a tendency to go somewhere when the pilot is controlling them

idk i’ll have to find the video again

[rose thorn]

Oh I assume it’s porbably soemthing from the imprinting/thrones shenanigans

[signal bramble]

Yeah I’m a need a source on that or further elaboration because I have no idea what you’re talking about. XD

[rose thorn]

Maybe it’s that’s story of the knight walking back home by it self when the pilot inside died?

I’ve heard it but idk where it came from

[signal bramble]

You mean canis rex when it went to save it’s pilot?

[rose thorn]

Idk, people who I’ve heard talk about it don’t specify

[rose thorn]

I know some knights, mainly that had a shit load of pilots, do move around and fidget, but I can’t think of when one literally walked somewhere by it self

[hushed kayak]

i’m trying to find the video right now

[rose thorn]

In the subject of knights, I really like House Khymere. I though they were just one dimensional ‘grrr revenged go burrrrr’ but after reading their lore I like their more astrology style religious aspects.

And their way of warfare is super neat too

A fleet based house, that master fire bombing and stampeding, that rely on tarot cards and star reading to lead their war path

They literally caused their own downfall

By complete and utter accidnet

And have no clue

And house khromentis’ hunting culture is amazing

But I have a weak spot for hunting culture

[celest dagger]

is the machine spirit a real thing? i thought it was just something they made up since they lost knowledge on how machines work, but reading Night Lords, its described as a real thing. for ships and bolters and tanks etc.

[dusk patrol]

Depends

[mystic geyser]

Bit of everything.

[dusk patrol]

Some are just like, basic functions for a machine

Some are full blown AI basically

And everything in between

Generally scaled with how old, rare, and big a device is

But not always

[celest dagger]

so there is still AI being used despite the imperium's efforts? the biggest example i can think of is a Navigator struggling to "tame the spirit" of a chaos marine strike cruiser when trying to guide it through the warp

[dusk patrol]

They don’t consider them AI

And there’s a distinction between AI and how the machine spirits work

[mystic geyser]

There's a difference between Artificial Intelligence and Abominable Intelligence (Self aware and free thinking )

[dusk patrol]

AI in the sense of what the Imperium considers it

Yeah

What we consider AI = \ =what the Imperium considers it

[mystic geyser]

For knights the machine spirit is described as an advanced security program that takes on personalities from everyone that uses it. Over Thousands of years that builds up. Could be the same for ships

[celest dagger]

i see

[mystic geyser]

Ofc some ships could be real AI but noone knows it..

Like the one in the Mars series

[dusk patrol]

Also some machines develop spiritual and warp significance

Typically over long long amounts of use

And being “worshipped”

[celest dagger]

another thing i was wondering: a friend of mine said that a lot of the stuff the imperium uses is finite since they can't make it anymore, which is why so much gear is considered to be relics. for big stuff like titans, are only specific titan variants finite? because some media mentions titan manufacturing factories etc.

[mystic geyser]

"Tame the machine spirit" could be an analogy for clearing virus pop ups. Or literally it's taken on the personality of an animal as its been used for so long it's gone senile.

[dusk patrol]

Depends

Most titans can still be made

I think it’s only Imperators which can’t

[mystic geyser]

Yeah. Although a general rule (until Cawl) was stuff was progressively getting worse

[dusk patrol]

But they’re still absurdly expensive and it takes forever

And it’s specialized places

So, yeah it’s finite kinda but not always. A lot of stuff is still produced

But relics are often tech they can’t reproduce

[celest dagger]

what are some examples of what they can't reproduce? dreadnoughts?

[mystic geyser]

"Relic" stuff in the space marine Armoury. Volkites. Stormbirds jetbikes

[celest dagger]

interesting. thanks!

[storm jungle]

Basically

from a story perspective it is finite?

But the Imperium still has infinite resources because plot

which applies to pretty much every faction

[rich sail]

bcs 40k is just a setting and ppl tend to forget there is no "story" just a bunch of filler arcs arround different chars the only thing that was close to a story was horus heresy

[storm jungle]

There is a story

its just slow and painstaking and made to sell toys

[barren tapir]

And fokken bloated with 30 years of lore made by uncaring people

[storm jungle]

England Moment

[rose thorn]

40k end times when

[mystic geyser]

Basically had them

[urban spire]

40k is a world, stories are told in it

[storm jungle]

40k is a brand

toys are sold in it

[storm jungle]

It hasn't.

40k is only gonna get nuked when its not making money

[hallow saddle]

Depending on the chapter, a suit of terminator armor might be a priceless relic too

Deffo contemptor dreadnoughts, they haven't been made for 10,000 years. boxy dreads are regarded as relics most of the time, depends on the chapter

[odd palm]

I believe the Minotaurs get some, unless they’ve simply been repainting old stock piles

[hallow saddle]

The other special dreadnoughts are relics beyond imagining as they weren't even common 10,000 years ago

[hallow saddle]

They'll have been set aside and repurposed, the minotaurs are suspiciously well-equipped

But of course this stuff varies a ton in the lore depending on who's writing it

[odd palm]

Indeed

[serene mist]

Minotaurs are also the High Lords pet Chapter

So they get special concessions tbh

Certain plasma technologies, repulsor techs, those can't be done in the modern sense using the same STCs

[odd palm]

I wonder if the Telemon is being produced at all

[serene mist]

Remind me what that is again

?

[hallow saddle]

The custodes heavy dreadnought

[odd palm]

^

[serene mist]

Definitely not

Since Custodes aren't being made either

That whole tech line is just hard dead

[odd palm]

Has that been stated in their ‘dex?

[hallow saddle]

I think there's some handwaving that there is a limited ability to replenish custodian numbers

[serene mist]

No but that sort of manufacturing ability doesn't stick around while the guys who use it are holed up in a palace with no visitors

[hallow saddle]

But it's not been covered in any detail at all afaik

[signal bramble]

Incorrect. Custodes are still being made.

It says as much in their codex.

[hallow saddle]

the Emperor's gene labs still exist in 40k

[odd palm]

I’d say they can still create new Custodes, but at a painfully slow rate compared to HH

[signal bramble]

They are creating new custodes, it literally says so in their 9th and 8th edition codexes.

[serene mist]

Seriously? What in the...

[signal bramble]

The process is incredibly difficult and intricate and the slightest mistake means the subject is recycled. But it’s being done.

[serene mist]

Weird
Very weird

No me gusta

[odd palm]

Is it?

[serene mist]

1/10

[signal bramble]

Also, the people doing it are themselves gene enhanced to make sure their work is of the highest quality.

[hallow saddle]

Deep in the bowels of the imperial palace

[serene mist]

I mean it just shifts my image on Custodes

[signal bramble]

Also the whole 10,000 thing isn’t accurate either. The codex says they use the name so folks don’t realize how many there actually are.

But the number is believed to exceed that.

[odd palm]

Much like chapters being only 1k strong

[storm jungle]

Again, anything can be made in 40k.

So ignore the "relic" statement

every lore entry says Terminator armor is rare but every chapter almost has one

[signal bramble]

Plus the custodes are the extra special gold bois so if they need anything they’ll find a way to get it.

[celest dome]

Relic is more about how often you'd find them
Like each is so rare that it's a relic

Same thing with Christian relics, where they are rare, but they are sometime fpund (made)

[signal bramble]

“Relic” is also used to refer to things that are really old.

[hallow saddle]

Terminator armor gets re-used, salvaged, repaired and then re-used. Some chapters get replacement suits, others have to make do for a few thousand yesrs

[signal bramble]

So it may not be a rare piece of tech.

Just a really old one.

Like they referred to gman’s stuff as “relics” but to him they were just the tools he used and he didn’t understand why everyone showed so much reverence for them.

But yeah the whole “custodes are no longer being made” is a bit of misinformation that’s been floating around for a while. They are being made and apparently their standards haven’t reduced at all in the last 10,000 years or whatever.

Luckily the codex spells it out. No vague clues or hints or whatever. Just straight up “they’re still being made.”

[shadow plover]

yeah they have some family lines on terra from which they choose kids to be tested to become one if need be

[rough condor]

How do you think Terminators will carry on in a ~~world ~~ galaxy of primaris sized marines

[odd palm]

Make them a ‘lil bigger

Or make adjustments

[pastel kelp]

Put lifts in the boots.

[rough condor]

Wear them like a crop top

[shadow plover]

if you mean just because of the size, the armours have been always able to make adjustments to fit larger marines even if not primaris

[odd palm]

Primaris or bigger sized marines exist long before primaris sprung up. They’ll be fine

[pastel kelp]

Terminator armor was, itself, modified from deep space EVA suits to fit Astartes to begin with.

[hallow saddle]

We'll see, there's rumours of new terminators or terminator replacement models coming out

Lore-wise terminators are in a weird place

[trim heron]

I'm sure this is been asked but I can't find it, is it possible for a Guardsmen to use the Bolter or Plasma gun in canon like they do in Darktide?

[celest dome]

Yes

The SM and the reguar human have separate pattern

The SM patter is too heavy to be used reliably by normal humans and to brittle to be used by an Ogryn

[trim heron]

Sweet, didn't know that thanks for the info

[signal bramble]

They’ll resize the armor.

[stuck kindle]

Belisarius' Ultra Terminator armor

[signal bramble]

Plasma guns usually were for more experienced guardsmen that were trained in it because it can literally blow up in their face if they’re not careful.

We don’t really see them using bolters much. Usually bolt pistols however are given to certain officers and commissars.

Heavy bolters are usually used as artillery.

[celest dome]

Heavy Bolter aren't artillery, they are emplacement weapons (like in current day Machine guns)

And Bolter is an option for Sergeant iirc

[signal bramble]

Bolt gun yeah.

I see it now.

But a normal guardsmen can’t take a Bolter or a bolt pistol in the dex.

Even the special weapons and heavy weapons don’t get access to a bolter.

[odd palm]

mmm, reserved for sergeants, veterans maybe command squad, idk and other officers

[north lotus]

Partially because of logistical significance if you think about it

[simple sparrow]

Lorewise do Psykers only use force weapons or do they use guns too

[north lotus]

They can use guns to, and in the case of the inspiration of darktide, dark heresy, it’s highly recommended

[mystic geyser]

Usually battle psykers would have a force staff and a sidearm like a laspistol

And a commissar with a bolt pistol standing near them

[north lotus]

Warp bullshit can and will likely be bullshit, don’t stretch overuse

[simple sparrow]

Yikes 😬

[north lotus]

It’s understandable when you realize a bad enough roll basically means you now have a portal to hell

[simple sparrow]

That’s true

Feel like some people would put them down over frivolous things though

[mystic geyser]

Enjoying this absolute madlad with his autogun

[summer rover]

i like the added feather for added swag

[celest dome]

And it's Fantasy grandpa

And just to say, this is a legit GW mini

[north lotus]

I have had many good friends whom are psykers in dark heresy, I just have a mutual agreement that if shit goes bad, they’ll have to get old yeller’d

And a laspistol is a really, really good choice for armament no matter whom you are

[simple sparrow]

😂 that’s one way to put it

[north lotus]

My favorite setup is a “shit in peace” setup for the las pistol. I call it such as it’s origin came from when a character almost got killed when he was on the toilet mid warp jump, and now he Carries a accatran las pistol and satchel of 6 powerpaks on him at all times

[north lotus]

He’s considering basically turning the gun into a laspistol vz61

[dusk patrol]

Tbh force weapons are actually really uncommon

[north lotus]

And they raise eyebrows

[north lotus]

Which as a inquisition agent is as close to a death sentence you can get.

With minimal benifit. This is different if it’s something like getting a heavy bolter for the retinue as a “oh shit, oh fuck” weapon.

This doesn’t mean it isn’t really really nice, it’s just for everyday carry it’s a bad idea

[simple sparrow]

Also why do Psykers in this game always have a thick metal collar or neckbrace? I haven’t seen it in art before

[mystic geyser]

Either a psychic hood or possibly a psychic dampener

[simple sparrow]

Yeah but isn’t the psychic hood more of the tubes and stuff

[celest dome]

Not explicitly

[north lotus]

Worst case scenario? Ever seen the film Battle Royale?

[simple sparrow]

Oh I thought they were standard issue at least for sanctioned Psykers

[arctic talon]

Force staffs are

Anything else is rarer

[north lotus]

Or play fallout new Vegas’ dlc dead money?

It’s in character for the imperium to have bomb collars is what I’m saying

[arctic talon]

I’m going to put a collar on you and break a radio

[arctic talon]

My favorite part is when every person in a penal legion has one

[north lotus]

Understandable in that context

[arctic talon]

GW got rid of suicide bombers back in 2e lol

Imagine if they still existed

Because imo it absolutely fits the imperium

[north lotus]

As it turns out, the best solution to criminal behavior is a kilogram of c4 equivalent

[arctic talon]

To strap a bunch of bombs on people, give them guns and tell them to blow up something

[north lotus]

I prefer the father Elijah route

Forced compliance

[rose thorn]

fuck thats cool!

it look sso much better then i thought it would

okay im gonna finally play total warhammer lmao
im just gonna start with the first game and the blood god dlc
and just buy more dlc and work through all that jazz over time
then after 100% the first game, go to the second
and so on and so forth

[simple sparrow]

So force melee weapons are pretty rare then,

[arctic talon]

Well the thing is force staffs are melee weapons

In lore

Like they’ll punch through armor just fine

[simple sparrow]

That’s true

[latent vault]

That's interesting

[arctic talon]

Bash someone on the head with it while charging it with psychic power

And it’ll crush their head like a balloon

[simple sparrow]

Would be nice if that happened in darktide 🙃

[arctic talon]

If force swords were accurate it would be the power sword but stronger and it generates peril

[celest dome]

In theory each force sword would be different for each Psyker too

[wraith gale]

How old is morrow?

And zola?

[north lotus]

Yes

[wraith gale]

Probably asked a loaded question lol

[celest dome]

Morrow is quite old

Zola seem to be much more younger

[wraith gale]

I remember there was an interaction with my vet and another saying something morrow getting lost in a warp storm and part of the 2nd Armageddon war?

[north lotus]

At least 55 considering he was at the second war for Armageddon

[wraith gale]

Armageddon and people of krieg are separate people

Right?

[celest dome]

Yes

[north lotus]

Yes, one has ww1 fans, the other are ww2 fans

Armageddon is ww2

[wraith gale]

Ahh gotcha. Thought the yellow coat he wears ment he has blood ties to that planet

Ohhhh ok

And catachan is veitnam

[celest dome]

They are separate groups but they used to be made by doing different painting templates on the same minis

[north lotus]

Or charging exorbitant prices at forgeworld

[wraith gale]

Oh so the reason why the look a like is because of a mix up irl? 🤣

[simple sparrow]

Btw is dark heresy popular? I play dnd but don’t know anything about dark heresy

Idk if it uses a similar system

[north lotus]

It’s good but it’s old.

Really really good

[simple sparrow]

It inspired darktide?

[north lotus]

It’s a tabletop game where you play as a inquisitorial agent

As in aspirant to eventually be one

[celest dome]

Not at all, most IG Regiment and even the SM legion were made on common minis and then being painted in different manner

[wraith gale]

Ohhh gotcha

[celest dome]

Compared to other Rpg not very popular, but in the group of Warhammer rpg it's the 2nd most common iirc

[wraith gale]

Think Zola is like early 30s

[north lotus]

Not including rejuvinat treatments

That’s one exception I make when talking lore.

[storm jungle]

Morrow and Hadron are the oldest of the group

Zola is the highest ranking person on the ship Inqusition wise but she still seems to heed Morrow a lot

which is fair

[north lotus]

Because it’s likely they are waaaaay older than they look

[storm jungle]

shes like in her early 30's

meanwhile Morrow has been through a ton of shit lol

[steel ingot]

is there any like math done on how old folk think morrow is

[storm jungle]

Nope

Hadron is the only person we have for a specific age i think

[celest dome]

Not Ratnick ?

[steel ingot]

they kept mentioning a battle of macragge but im unsure which one

[storm jungle]

since she literally says every digit

[storm jungle]

Oh yeah I forgot he existed sorry

my guy legit just hangs out in his office and never appears

💀

[steel ingot]

as a guy of that station would

very lore accurate if you ask me

[storm jungle]

sitting on a desk is a pretty important job

as a lifeless discord mod i relate to him

only difference is i cant shoot people

[steel ingot]

but yeah like im trying to think of all the major campaigns they mention morrow has been in

[dusk patrol]

The Interrogator dude is on the ship too

[storm jungle]

Yeah Hadron like i said gives a specific number for her age, Morrow you could actually do the math

[simple sparrow]

There’s a ttrpg other than dark heresy?

[storm jungle]

I FORGOT HE EXISTED.

[north lotus]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Second_War_for_Armageddon

[dusk patrol]

You can see him watching from the balcony actually funnily enough

[celest dome]

There are are a few

[storm jungle]

I did once

then I turned back and he was gone

lmao

[steel ingot]

like i dunno if i imagined them saying he fought in the badab war which would be insane

[celest dome]

Only War would be the most common

[steel ingot]

like there's no way but someone mentioned it

or im crazy and misremembering

[dusk patrol]

Just as planned

[storm jungle]

Nope they do mention Badab

[steel ingot]

what the fuck

[storm jungle]

same with Huron Edgelordheart

[steel ingot]

dudes so old holy shit

how does he even look like that

even with warp magic

is he just tin man under the jacket

[north lotus]

Rejuvinat treatments

[storm jungle]

Okay so, 2nd War for Armageddon 941.M41

Morrow by then if we are correct would be in his 40's

now to look at the current date

[north lotus]

At least

But there’s more

[steel ingot]

well also like consider are we even sure which part of indomitus we're in

[storm jungle]

we are during the plague wars

[steel ingot]

i see i see

[storm jungle]

so thats... lets me see...

circa 012.M42

That rougly makes it 941.M41 - 012.M42

[steel ingot]

so

guys is old

[storm jungle]

yep

im not gonna go more because the Imperial dating system is fucking shitty

[steel ingot]

it really is lmao

[storm jungle]

I cannot be arsed to do the math

[steel ingot]

havent even bothered to call it the 42nd millineum like cmon

[storm jungle]

https://gorkamorka.co.uk/imperial-date-converter/

oh hey this exists

uhhh

too many numbers

[steel ingot]

oh christ what is the X for

[north lotus]

Rejuvinat treatments is my guess

[simple sparrow]

👀

[steel ingot]

they also mention each time on age that he went through a warp storm or two so thats something to consider

[north lotus]

Also that.

[steel ingot]

this is still complicated

bro i read the books and codexes and i still dont get any of this lmao

[dusk patrol]

The answer is that you’re a bitch

Cross the I

Carry the M

Use please excuse my dear aunt Sally

[north lotus]

M stands for millenium. We are in m2, y023

So 1999 would be m1 y999

[celest dome]

From memory:
Rogue Trader
Dark Heresy
Deathmatch
Only War
And another
+
WFRPG 1 to 4ed

And a few fan made modules (Remember a Delta Green and a Call of Cthulhu

[arctic talon]

Don’t forget Soulbound which is the new AOS rpg

[steel ingot]

still i like the idea that morrow is just all tin can under that jacket

show us whats under your shirt sergeant

[north lotus]

We don’t talk about AOS

[dusk patrol]

He is built like one

[arctic talon]

Dead meme

[dusk patrol]

Literally can shaped

[arctic talon]

AoS is fine as a system

And setting

[north lotus]

Daily reminder, run genetic tests on the bald

[arctic talon]

And soulbound builds on the old warhammer fantasy rpg

And also has a lot more race and class variety

[celest dome]

Isn't there another AoS rpg too ?

[arctic talon]

Soul bound is the only one I hear about

And it seems intresting

[north lotus]

The old warhammer world is more fun for RPG’s is just my opinion

[arctic talon]

Considering the only factions that can’t cross party are full chaos worshipers and nighthaunts with anyone alive

Anything else is okay

So you can have some really intresting parties

[storm jungle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/583630047189925889/1056603955192410152/image.png?width=479&height=595

[arctic talon]

The classic

[steel ingot]

lmao

[storm jungle]

Anyway sorry carry on

[steel ingot]

i remember when AOS laucnhed lol

[arctic talon]

Also AoS is a lot better as a setting if you want to come up with sruff

[steel ingot]

what a weird time

[arctic talon]

BECAUSE EVERY SINGLE FUCKING CITY HAS LORE IN FANTASY

[steel ingot]

especially with how fuckin bombastic and insane some of the shit in end times was, and then it was like "reset its now cid meyer 5 with more violence"

[arctic talon]

almost every fucking inch of fantasy

Has a lot of lore

It’s impossible to homebrew properly

Without breaking existing lore

It’s a very tight timeline

[celest dome]

And has much better miniatures design overall

[arctic talon]

Eh

That one is arguable

But if you wanted to work within existing lore and make ur own campaign not from a pre existing module

Fantasy is terrible

[celest dome]

Fantasy served a purpose, AoS serve another

[arctic talon]

Yeah

They’re both good as settings

Fantasy is very in-depth very realistic at times

Key word being at times

[celest dome]

Fantasy was basically a written story made to sell minis
AoS is a setting made to sell minis

Like 40k

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Anyways you can play as a skeleton and have a human in your party in Soulbound and that makes it better then fantasy’s rpg by default

Or an Orc in a party

[celest dome]

Quite nice though that the Fantasy rpg expanded on Lonher's lore

[arctic talon]

Agreed

[celest dome]

Still, I do not think he is Morgan Bernhardt

[arctic talon]

Anyways back in fantasy you could only really have Elves, Dwarves, humans and halflings in a party

Without any real issues

Elves and dwarves auto hate each other

Elves dislike humans

Humans are okay with elves and dwarves

Dwarves dislike everyone

[celest dome]

Yeah, it was much more restricted than DnD or Pathfinder

In a way they don't coexist in the same roleplaying sphere

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Most, if not all the warhammer rpg (Maybe not Soulbound, haven't played that one) are more like the story driven rpg, where your character not dying is a feat in itself

So like CoC, Delta Green in sort, Weird War, WWC, Darkness, that vampire one

[arctic talon]

Yeah def

Soulbound is a bit more like dnd

But very very lethal

There’s ways to bring back characters from the dead but they’re uh

Long

I.E if an undead character dies better grab as many pieces of their body as possible

Anyways soulbound is also hilarious because it lets you play as an Ent or Ogre

Which means you can literally instantly kill things smaller then you

By moving on top of them lol

10/10 system

[celest dome]

A warhammer rpg systemthat is not balanced
Who would have though

[arctic talon]

It’s very balanced Ironicially

Because ents and ogres suck at things that aren’t combat

Actually sort of a lie

Ents are good at not dying

Ogres are good at cooking

But they can’t stealth at all

[celest dome]

didn't Nrcomunda have a rpg

[arctic talon]

Or persuade people

[arctic talon]

Yeah I think

But it was based on the game tabletop game

Like heavily

Imo soulbound is a great system

It’s very fun

And resurrections are somewhat common

Despite the lethality

Everyone just needs to give up a bit of their soul

And a bunch of other things

To resurrect the dead guy

[celest dome]

Soulbound as a concept open for quite a lot of things
Though i didn't know that Chaos and Undead weren't linked to it (Reading through it seem that Sigmarines rarely are in it but it can happen, either by simple cooperation or by rare Soulbound remnant )

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Undead can join in

Btw

It’s just more uncommon

[celest dome]

So just Chaos can't ?

I mean mortal Chaos servant

[arctic talon]

Pure chaos followers can’t

[celest dome]

But what is a pure chaos follower ?

[arctic talon]

Directly worships a chaos god and has blessings

If someone grew up in a chaos realm they can be bound

[celest dome]

So member of the Chaos alliance in the TT ?

[arctic talon]

Despite being chaos aligned overall

Yeah

It’s weird

I.E if someone grew up in a maggot kin controlled area but doesn’t worship nurgle

They can still be bound despite being chaos

[celest dome]

Bit annoying, other wise we'd have the perfect mechanic for a Warhammer For Honour

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lol

[celest dome]

Would be perfect to start with a few heroes from each Grand Alliance

[arctic talon]

Also some funny downtime things as well

For each faction

Bonereapers have to spend A good chunk amount of time collecting bones

For the bone tithe

[brittle slate]

im playing my ogryn right now (insane respect for the canon arm weapon thingy) and as i'm shielding all the little guys around me all I can think is: imagine if we get ogryn freedom fighters for the Tau when farsight drops

[rose thorn]

What the fuck the cadia upgrade kit is fucking awesome

Maybe a new gsc sprue too?

I mean

Brood brothers

[honest trellis]

the new cadia sprue is indeed amazing

cadia models in general are basically the perfect PDF models

[storm jungle]

Any Guard release is also a GSC release

WOOOOO

[honest trellis]

The Genestealer Party Tank needs more weathering 🤣

[storm jungle]

Look its the best photoshop can do

would love to see an actual kitbash at some point

[honest trellis]

I kid I kid, that black and purple is fabulous though

actually no word on if the Dorn is GSC applicable yet right

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure its not

but its the same deal to most GSC kitbashes who just do it because "it looks neat"

[arctic talon]

In theory it would be

But we dunno yet

[storm jungle]

yeah i dont play tabletop but the only guard vehicle they can use is the Russ i believe?

[odd palm]

I'd be surprised if they can't use the chimera. But seeing as they have that open top truck, who knows

[arctic talon]

They can rank any guard vehicle they want

So long as it’s under 500 points

[storm jungle]

huh nice

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if Genestealers could figure out how to use Admech vehicles.

[barren tapir]

I'm pretty sure that some authors would come up with some utter BS to let them do so

[nocturne crest]

Genestealer mechanicus would be my bet. It's already happened before.

[signal bramble]

They already have the sub faction for that.

Bladed cog or something like that.

THE BLADED COG
If every world within the Imperium can be viewed as a single component within a greater machine, then the Bladed Cog seek to weaponise those components one at a time, the better to destroy the entire edifice. Their masters leash iron and flesh alike to the cause, and their cybernetically enhanced broods are as resilient as they are deadly.
CULT CREED: CYBORGISED HYBRIDS
The Cult of the Bladed Cog proliferates amongst the disaffected labourers and brainwashed defence maniples of the Imperium’s many forge worlds. In perverting the technological marvels of the Omnissiah, they not only gain access to a ready flow of esoteric weapons of war, but also the means by which to pursue their ultimate quest. The Bladed Cog seek to fashion the ultimate warrior-hybrid of brood-cursed flesh and engineered metal, and care not how many of the luckless faithful must be mangled and slain to achieve their insane ends.

[nocturne crest]

So the bladed cog should be able to take admech vehicles then.

[signal bramble]

In theory yeah.

[signal bramble]

In day of ascension there are cult hybrid skitarii that betray the tech priests and since they often pilot vehicles? It should work.

[nocturne crest]

The only reason that I can think of why it couldn't work is related to the machine spirit.

[signal bramble]

Yeah. If the machine rebels or whatever.

Possible I suppose.

But the gsc have their repurposed mining vehicles and bikes and such.

[nocturne crest]

Maybe if GW ever allowed that to happen, many they could make a rule where the admech vehicle taken by GSC has a chance of rebelling and basically becoming something that will attack both armies.

[signal bramble]

They can already do brood brothers and use the AM vehicles but not sure if they’d ever allow it.

But the cult in day of ascension theoretically could do it but then again their usual goal is to just overrun the defenses once the nids are close so the planet can get eaten.

[nocturne crest]

I've always wondered, but are the Twisted Helix under the control of a Patriarch or are they just something else?

Because they put the implants themselves, iirc.

[barren tapir]

Yeah, i was referring to this exactly

[brittle slate]

they took out variance

it's why we don't have things like scatter dice

[barren ether]

My dad in the background with a 100 sided dice

[brittle slate]

i... am your dad.

[barren ether]

Shit mans I haven’t seen you in like 17 years. Wya?

[brittle slate]

had to get the milk.

[barren ether]

That’s what Emps said to the two missing primarchs. Turns out it was a “look at the flowers” situation instead

On the topic of Genestealer/AdMech hybrids: how does that even work?

One could argue the AdMech would be able to sniff out a traitor amongst one of their own with a bit more ease than their more organically minded counterparts

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/reference-captain-america-avengers-understood-gif-7991943

[barren ether]

Shout out to all my homies who read Of Mice and Men in their freshman or sophomore years of highschool

[vital kernel]

I like the new Rogal Dorn tank but I would like it even more if there was a variant with one big Plasma Cannon instead of those dual mixed cannons.

[brittle slate]

They’re still human

The only people that are really resistant to infestation are Orks and Tau who manage it culturally

But resistant doesn’t mean immune*

Eldar are biologically complicated but also not impossible (the children are also completely batshit insane and spend the whole time giggling and laughing)

[arctic talon]

Honestly I feel like we might get that on an upgrade sprue

[unique berry]

Could the Dorn tank be a threat to Titans since it got plasma guns as primary canon?

Dont know much about Titans yet thats why I ask

[honest trellis]

"In truth, a Titan has only three enemies: folly, hubris, and another of its own kind."

in reality: Titans CAN fall to firepower

but you'd need to drop the void shields

and aim for weak spots like joints

Something like a warhound might die to that kind of firepower sure

the problem is warhounds are fast, they're scout titans

and if the princeps is smart, he's deployed skitarii as screening forces

[alpine ingot]

shadow swords are dispatched in in squads of 3's or so, and they can drop even warlords when they coordinate their shots.

[honest trellis]

Shadowswords are purpose built titan hunters

[dusk patrol]

The issue isn’t the titans it’s that it’s never just titans

Titans lose to any competent infantry that can close the gap, Warhounds being the best at dealing with them but they’re still vulnerable

[honest trellis]

No, competent infantry still end up as chunky salsa TBH

[dusk patrol]

But they’re not deploying titans by themselves ever, if titans are being deployed it’s a massive battle group at the least

[honest trellis]

What you need is firepower to drop the voids

then then titan's up shit creek

[dusk patrol]

You can just scale the titans if you get close

We see this plenty of times

But they’re never alone

When they are is when they get killed

Or when their own infantry gets killed off

They’re still gonna kill a lot of infantry but it’s a major weakness of theirs

[raven prawn]

No wonder Vulkan hates em

[brittle slate]

Christ thank you for finding this

[obtuse mauve]

i read something recently that had jump marines maglocked to the shoulder pads of titans, hitching a ride between fights, then zipping off when the titan had closed in. thought this was a good use of titans haha. storm of iron maybe?

[dusk patrol]

It shows up in some titan books

Mortis has Imperial Fist assault marines riding on loyalist titans and jumping to enemy titans and placing melta charges on key areas then dipping off.

[unique berry]

Mortis is a good book always worth a read

[dusk patrol]

Well, its a book.

Probably the weakest siege book for me

Outside of some of the titan bits

There's also a tactic used by an Imperial Fists Captain where they took down titans with terminators armed with thunder hammers.

They used it to destroy an entire renegade legio and its since then its become a tactic used against them where its viable.

[slender roost]

Why does it seem like people took the Death Korps of Krieg meme suicide charges as actual strategy they employ? They are an elite Imperial Guard regiment. If they were stupid and charged into MG nests without a plan they likely wouldn't ever win any battles. I feel like people confused their willingness to charge a bunker with them just being stupid/suicidal. Siege of Vraks made it very clear everything has a purpose.

[dusk patrol]

Because people are stupid and get their lore from memes, meme websites, and shitty loretubers

Barely anyone actually reads the material

Or else they'd know that Krieg had a regiment who killed their commissars and fled during vraks

[raven prawn]

That's not allowed

[arctic talon]

No shit lol

but when the gas is literally melting tanks

I'd say you have good reasons to retreat

[crisp heath]

I think most people know Krieg use artillery cover to advance, and are not argumentative about the occasional suicide mission, but that's less fun lol

Honestly I don't like fanon krieg for a different reason than most people: the fans don't treat them like people. Krieg are fanatical and socially awkward, but they're still humans, even if they're grown in a vat. I'd imagine they still joke with each other, and they're ok with dying in duty (even moreso than Cadians), but if an officer gives a genuinely stupid order I'd imagine they'd complain about it

Fans tend to treat them like machines that only think "kill, then die"

[raven prawn]

"Kill then die"

Literally me fr

[summer rover]

the mantra of literally every person i seem to meet in co-op games

[crisp heath]

Listen, if I the black library gave me a contract, I'd write about Krieger who is an asthete and writes poetry in their spare time whose best friend always tells them jokes. And then when the order comes, the book ends because the Emperor demands their life now, even though it was a relatively good life.

I don't like any media that portrays humans as less than people, though

And I think the meme krieger is less than human, more like a machine.

(I guess when I say that I'll also note that as a writer, I like to kill off characters right before they reach the peak of their arc lmao. It upsets people and I guess that might be part of the reason I never made it big)

[earnest snow]

Me when I speak to my friends about 40k lore and have to remind them that Ork powers aren't as powerful as the memes say they are :>

I'm not the most knowledgeable in the lore, but I do be mindful of the memes.

[serene mist]

I think I'd have fun with Kriegers

Very grim, stupid humor like trying to write a sonnet or something vaguely approaching a sonnet in a trench

As another goes "What are you writing a sonnet to? The trench itself?"
And the Krieger just sort of stares off in the distance to some med tents or something

[arctic talon]

also people saying Orks aren't evil

when they like torturing people lol

and weaker orkoids

[serene mist]

Orks are Orks
Hard to apply morality to a fungus

[dusk patrol]

Not really

They’re very sentient

[arctic talon]

^

they're aware of the suffering theyre causing

They find it funny

I,E orks burning other smaller orks to make them do "the burny dance"

[serene mist]

I'm just saying that saying Orks aren't sentient makes it morally OK to napalm / white phosphorous the heck outta em

[signal bramble]

It’s ok to do that because the Orks would happily do the same to us.

[serene mist]

True

Then again
Most foul xenos deserve napalm and white phosphorous

[signal bramble]

Orks, nids, necrons, and deldar would happily murder/enslave all of humanity without even the slightest moment of hesitation.

[serene mist]

They're dark in the eyes of the Emperor, gotta brighten em up a bit

His eyesight isn't what it used to be

[signal bramble]

The threat posed by them is very real.

[arctic talon]

It’s always morally okay to horrifically murder those who try to kill you

[dusk patrol]

I’d say Orks are a race of psychopaths but they’re worse

Because they don’t just lack morality or emotions

They get off to it

[signal bramble]

Do unto others before they can do unto you. The enemy of my enemy dies second.

[dusk patrol]

Violence and causing pain

And they’re completely uncontrollable

Even amongst themselves mostly tbh

[serene mist]

Praise the Lord and pass the Ammunition

[dusk patrol]

There’s a reason GW writes them mostly in a comedic bent

Without that it’s really disturbing and dark

[serene mist]

Hey so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IDN6SOE0WA

I, Cato Sicarius

Honestly this is...
This is why I can't take UM seriously

[dusk patrol]

I would probably not get your lore from memes

Or TTS

Rare is the time TTS has a vaguely accurate take on a character

And its stuck in the 1d4chan shittier meme days

[serene mist]

I don't get my lore from memes

I also don't always treat things seriously because it has wonderful lore about it

Treating things with a bit of humor helps a lot yknow

[dusk patrol]

The memes TTS used were dated by the time it used them.

And its coming up on a decade since it came out originally

So you'll forgive me if I don't find the same joke repeated ad nauseum for like, 20 years to be a bit boring.

[signal bramble]

Heresy, shovel, exterminatus.

Gib upvotes

[dusk patrol]

guys Rowboat Girlyman

haha get it?

I said his name in a way that its not spelled

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/very-funny-haha-kid-eyebrows-gif-14753863

[signal bramble]

The codex.

Lolz

[north lotus]

They should have also made a set of non genestealer vehicles with GSC conversions

I want my genestealer killdozers

Where’s the barely functioning long range rocket artillery?

[raven prawn]

I want genestealer forklift

[north lotus]

Exactly

I want barely functioning industrial equipment remade for war

[raven prawn]

I want to throw rocks at people

[median steppe]

friendship ended with imperium

[north lotus]

With a unique ability to have certain units hitchhike

WHERE’S THE TECHNICALS?!

[arctic talon]

There's a genestealer technical actually

2 if we count the Goliath truck

Goliath Truck

And the Achilles ridgerunner

[old jay]

why tf there seems to be no technological advancement from 30k to 40k

its 10k years apart

[earnest snow]

Tech Heresy

Admech views it as heresy, and are deathly afraid of accidentally losing tech/knowledge by inventing

There might be some highly unique stuff in very specific areas, but the STCs are highly sacred and aren't to be alternated.

[flat tendon]

^ technically the primaris technology was already built and kept hidden for nearly a millenia

Which is weird but whatever

[arctic talon]

Primaris tech also is derrived from STCs

which is allowed

or rather we know a lot of them are

directly derived from STCs

its a "holy design hidden within a sacred STC"

[flat tendon]

The Gravis Tanks and Armor are STC constructs.

[arctic talon]

is the usual excuse used by tech priests

[flat tendon]

Ya

[arctic talon]

The Bolt rifles are also STC

and all the random ass bolter weapons

on the otherhand well

the Hellblaster plasma guns share some design elements with

tau and eldar weapons

[flat tendon]

It's weird that this stuff is developed etc but they lost the STCs and building capacity to remake volkite etc in quantities seen in the Heresy

[arctic talon]

Volkite is still produced funnily enough

its just slow as fuck

and the admech doesn't share

[flat tendon]

Ya, they used to have Volkite Leman Russ tanks for the Imperialis Auxilia and Solar Auxilia

[arctic talon]

also the lemen russ executioner stc that totally exists and Ryza will show people

[flat tendon]

But I don't believe the Astra Militarum has them anymore

[arctic talon]

[flat tendon]

Ryza Pattern Russ Tanks are a whole ass vibe

[arctic talon]

they're only made on Ryza

and no one else has seen the STC

it totally isn't Ryzan tech priests gluing a giant plasma cannon on a tank

and passing it off as an STC

its not like the mechanicus has ever done this

[flat tendon]

There is a standard executioner and ryza pattern. The Ryza Pattern is more common with Krieg Regiments

It's why it's a FW model 💀😎

Ryza tends to be a little plasma centric I think. Plus Ryza like you said doesn't like to share

[arctic talon]

also this land raider that is totally within an STC

and 100% wasn't modified

[flat tendon]

That's just a vindicator super-sized

[arctic talon]

Before you ask yes it is official

Its only allowed in Crusade games

[flat tendon]

That's broken

Of course it's a DA tank

[arctic talon]

Also some other chapters have it now

as well lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they worship plasma

[flat tendon]

I am a big FW Graia guy myself. However Ryza is a close second

[arctic talon]

I like Lucius the most

and then prolly Mars

[flat tendon]

Speaking of Lucius, I wonder who made the new lasgun for the new Imperial Guard models shown. It has definite inspirations from the Lucius and the Kantrael

[arctic talon]

I think it might be mars pattern

I also like Zhao-Arkkad a lot

but they have like 0 lore other then the fact their forges are all underground

[arctic talon]

and the surface of the planet is a deathworld

[flat tendon]

I see where you think Mars Pattern

[arctic talon]

yeah

it looks like a mars pattern with a really fucked up stock

[flat tendon]

But on this model it looks like a Kantrael

I guess they use both

[arctic talon]

They use a bunch of dif lasgun varients

on the new minis

its to show how fucked up supply chains are

due to the great rift

so guardsmen are just using whatever they can get their hands on

[flat tendon]

Honestly I just finished city of bones and right now reading Iron Resolve as I'm trying to see how my Mordians are doing. I've shifted a lot of my readings on Imperiuk Nihilus

[arctic talon]

They're trying their best

[flat tendon]

So yeah seeing how the Rift has fucked things up is whack

[arctic talon]

and for being in dark imperium they're doing pretty well

its also why you can take autoguns with Guardsmen now

or rather the "drum fed autogun"

[flat tendon]

Which is pretty dope

[flat tendon]

My man using a Tommy gun in the 41st Millennium

[arctic talon]

yeah

[flat tendon]

It's weird how cadians have become such a focus in lore even after their planet dead

[arctic talon]

there's also a belt fed one

[flat tendon]

Wow

[arctic talon]

what having your supply chain destroyed does to a mf

[flat tendon]

It's weird how bad it is. Especially with the FWs on the Regular side of the Rift. I expect it more for Imperium Nihilus but not from G-mans side

[earnest snow]

They Tanith'd Cadia and now the Cadians are a focus in lore. Always gotta lose your planet before you get your story arc v.v

[flat tendon]

Well they have New Cadia for the survivors but it ain't the same lol.

[earnest snow]

I don't keep up with Cadia since they're not my favorite regiment. I didn't know they got a new Cadia, though I guess it makes sense because Cadians are a very well renowned regiment in the guard.

[flat tendon]

The lore explanation from the 8th Ed Codex was that Regiments began to emulate Cadian Regts after Cadian Instructors began to focus on creating Regts for Indomitus. Plus Cadian Regts became prized units for the zeal after the fall of Cadia

[flat tendon]

But yeah same I run a Mordian Army. A Guard Regt that still has a homeworld that it can defend

[ripe ravine]

New Cadia is only mentioned so far in Traitor Rock, which also claims there's like 30 New Cadias from all the regiments gifted conquered worlds

[flat tendon]

Too many New Cadias

[earnest snow]

Makes sense actually. Cadians were quite literally right at the front of the Eye of Terror. So them helping other regiments is a cool thing. Also 30 new cadias? Whack.

[ripe ravine]

30 planets called that or something close to it

[earnest snow]

I know there are a ton of worlds out there, but man there is at the very least 31 regiments that are fighting for their own conquered homeworld in the Indomitus, and they're getting ripped off

real imperium hours

[flat tendon]

Gotta have backups for the backup planet

[ripe ravine]

but the vibe is very much that there's no replacing the real cadia for culture or training, and its pretty common for cadian born vets to look down on halfbloods and descendants

[earnest snow]

I hope Cadia gets some interesting culture and tradition mixes with their planet being blown up and stuff

[flat tendon]

Makes sense. Especially those who were at the fall of Cadia

[flat tendon]

The New Codex has a lot of Cadian bonuses and strategems

Like too many

[earnest snow]

WHack

[ripe ravine]

they're trying, training new recruits on death worlds and stuff, but to most cadians they'll never be held up to the eye of terror as children and made to curse the dark gods so they aren't true cadians

[earnest snow]

Cadians are like the Ultramarines for the Guard. Sure, let them be great as they are, but GIVE US SOMETHING ELSE!?

Thats the vibe I get anyways

[arctic talon]

Very very fucking angry lol

[flat tendon]

I wonder if we will see the loss of purple eyes in Cadians nows

[arctic talon]

Nah

[earnest snow]

Perfect

[arctic talon]

great rift is making

a lot of people get purple eyes

[earnest snow]

Purple eyes=weird warp stuff? Nice.

[arctic talon]

and theres a New Cadia

near the great rift

so

yeah

There's like 5 new cadias we know of in lore

[ripe ravine]

I'm not as confident as elitewolf but they could find ways to bring it back for sure

[unique berry]

Until palm tree head finds another black fortress he can throw at it

[arctic talon]

lmfao

thats a new insult

[ripe ravine]

they might want to make the purple eyes a rare oh shit we've got a badass over here type thing

[flat tendon]

Probably for veterans

Or Kasrkin

[arctic talon]

also Pask got robbed lol

he's mentioned in lore

but isn't even in the codex

[flat tendon]

Yeah Pask is gone in 9th Ed.

[ripe ravine]

did you see the leaked upgrades on ebay? looks like a new Pask model

[arctic talon]

Like he's confirmed alive in the book

but no entry

like I get why, his model was old and resin

but it honestly wasn't that bad

[flat tendon]

I just want regimental upgrade sprues so I can make mordians without kitbashing a shit ton of crap.

[earnest snow]

I respect Abaddon, but damn. Palm tree is a name I'ma steal fr fr

[unique berry]

Do they make a Fortress World out of it?

[ripe ravine]

that's probably a new Pask on the bottom right

[dusk patrol]

Dope

[arctic talon]

Ye

[arctic talon]

wait it pretty much is the exact same lol

[unique berry]

Nice

[ripe ravine]

has a scarred face, red cufflinks, headset on his face, and cloak over greatcoat with an aquila on his chest

[dusk patrol]

I don’t know what you mean Draik

That’s obviously General Bask

Completely different

[flat tendon]

Armageddon ain't doin too hot rn I was just looking at the lore page on that. Damn. Half the world is just fucked

And that's not even the Ork problem

[arctic talon]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

That’s just Armageddon

[arctic talon]

its a daemon one

what naming a planet Armageddon does

[dusk patrol]

It’s not named Armageddon for no reason

[unique berry]

Was about to say

[dusk patrol]

Well actually

It was

[flat tendon]

They fucked if they think they can rebuild that place