40k-lore-chat

[north lotus]

That’s not really 4chan’s fault

[plush mason]

not if he dead

[brittle slate]

A lot of fanfic ends up canon

[arctic talon]

Wouldn’t see why his sexuality being confirmed matters personally

[north lotus]

It’s not really their style

[brittle slate]

Same reason Cain’s is

[storm jungle]

It gets chuds mad too

[arctic talon]

Lol

[north lotus]

Cain is straight or at most Bi

[arctic talon]

Cain is prolly straight

[storm jungle]

Cain would realistically be bisexual but is deffo straight

Hes like Captain Kirk but as a Commissar

[dusk patrol]

McNeil and ADB say a lot of stuff tbh

[plush mason]

oh i know. a lot of people post fan fics over there just to post them and then some fools read it and think its canon for some reason that was all i was saying

[dusk patrol]

Which isn’t or doesn’t end up canon

[storm jungle]

Also yeah all 40k authors have "takes"

some dumb

some good

[arctic talon]

Man straight up avoided getting shot in the head bcs he was looking at Sullas ass 💀

[storm jungle]

BASED.

[arctic talon]

And he realized how awkward that would he to say

If anyone asked him lol

[storm jungle]

my man is a legend

also thats like

the most realistic way you could have avoided being shot

[plush mason]

imagine owing your life to being horny

[dusk patrol]

If there was a ever a person married to the job

And his job is hating Orks

[storm jungle]

He was so married to his job that GW forgot he even existed and made Ragnar and Ghaz fight in a boxset instead as """rivals"""

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

Kekw

[storm jungle]

god Psychic Awakening was so shit

the update where nothing happened

[arctic talon]

Psychic awakening should be forgotten

[dusk patrol]

Don’t wanna talk about it

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

It was not good

[arctic talon]

It was just

[north lotus]

Hmm, almost like certain folks were right

[arctic talon]

A whole lot of nothing lol

[dusk patrol]

But at least the models looked cool

[storm jungle]

I know we are discussing lore but correct me if im wrong wasnt even all the tabletop shit it brought literally did nothing

[dusk patrol]

I’ll give them that

[arctic talon]

^factual

[storm jungle]

like game modes and sets nobody is ever gonna touch

[arctic talon]

Nah there was shit that broke the game lol

[storm jungle]

SDFKJDSJSD

💀

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

Lest we forget our lord and savior admech servitor maniple

Which allowed you detachment free kataphron servitors

And also some other abominations

That I’ve repressed

[dusk patrol]

I wish just once the broken comps would actually be cool

[plush mason]

lmao

[dusk patrol]

Instead of like

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah

[dusk patrol]

“Lol spam slaves or white shields or whatever”

[arctic talon]

Infinite entering deep strike right after fighting stuff

[dusk patrol]

“Abbadon leads army of cultists”

[arctic talon]

Honestly the minis were cool

From psychic awakening

[arctic talon]

Dogwalker abbadon is a crime against humanity

[dusk patrol]

I guess the dread meta for Iron Hands was kinda cool at least

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah white shields spam

[dusk patrol]

Or more sensical

[arctic talon]

Thanks for reminding me

I repressed that memory

Up until now

[dusk patrol]

You’ve had white shields spam

[arctic talon]

Kasrkin spam coming up next lol

With sentinels

[dusk patrol]

Now we’ve got SENTINEL SPAM

[north lotus]

It ain’t a good roster if there isn’t child soldiers

[arctic talon]

I see a single guard player shitting on tau for being annoying I’m gona force them to play against my maximized kasrkin sentinel spam list

There will be suffering

[dusk patrol]

GW would like to assure you that all those models were 18 or more and knew what they signed up for

[arctic talon]

I have a 75% win rate with it across 8 game

[dusk patrol]

Or something

[plush mason]

attack of the chicken walkers

[arctic talon]

The new guard book has so much stuff

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/atst-rogue-one-star-wars-star-wars-gif-25085798

[arctic talon]

So comically under priced

[north lotus]

Mechwarrior chads win again

[arctic talon]

It’s insane

The imperial guard combat patrol they revealed is only like

400 points at most lol

[dusk patrol]

Uh sir I think you mean Lore Accurate Kasrkin™️

[north lotus]

https://tenor.com/view/battle-tech-mech-warrior-locust-happy-jump-gif-15740616

[arctic talon]

I don’t think 30 kasrkin using steel legion tactics in a taurox are lore accurate

[plush mason]

i love how the AT-ST is a scout vehicle lmao. damn thing is massive slow and frankly made to be a MBT

[north lotus]

Hey, pimp vans are fun

[arctic talon]

It looks funny

[dusk patrol]

It don’t say that a dog Kasrkin can’t play in the rulebook!

[north lotus]

That’s why you invest in a good engine.

[dusk patrol]

Well it’s more like a light tank tbh

The Speeders are more the scouts

[plush mason]

star wars tech is weird

[arctic talon]

Honestly idrc

[dusk patrol]

Also don’t think about it Morty

[arctic talon]

Guard is inevitably on the nerf list

[dusk patrol]

Circle of nerfs

[arctic talon]

There’s no way they let how cheap sentinels are stay around

And god forbid they get rid of rule of three

[north lotus]

They’re at least balanced by box costs

[dusk patrol]

Hah

[arctic talon]

Or else every guard army is gona look like a fucking chicken coop

[dusk patrol]

I wonder why

[arctic talon]

Someone I know irl was arguing to remove rule of 3

[north lotus]

Rule of three: one to have power, one to crave it, and one to claim it's bullshit

[plush mason]

lmao

[arctic talon]

lmfao

I'm stealing that

[silver hawk]

So got a question for the lore people

The hell is gonna happen in 10th edition

[signal bramble]

Hard to say.

[silver hawk]

Will the loyalists get a primarch back?

[signal bramble]

Loyalists? Maybe. Fulgrim will definitely be back. We know that for sure.

[north lotus]

Stuff

[silver hawk]

Mhm

[signal bramble]

They’ve already announced that the EC will get their own codex. So it stands to reason the daemon primarch will be back.

[arctic talon]

All we know about 10th is stuff will happen lol

[brittle slate]

i... know? Guy's banged a toaster.

[unique berry]

Does it mean we need another Rylanor moment?

[brittle slate]

🥱

[north lotus]

Toaster women are queens

Just look at hadron

[unique berry]

[brittle slate]

"another" how gouache

[brittle slate]

... yes... that old lady that scolds you is so hawt

[north lotus]

I’m joking mostly

[brittle slate]

im not. I'm just testing the waters

my kink is to go to the local dim sum place and have old ladies with carts that contain fires cooking dumplings yelling at me "YOU WANT THIS"

God... is there nothing sweeter in this life

[plush mason]

so has anyone been able to figure out what "the five" is the psykers sometimes mention?

[signal bramble]

We have not.

If I had to guess, based in the voice pack and behavior, I think they were part of some cult or coven of psykers.

[north lotus]

What’s the context of the line?

[signal bramble]

They use their psyker power and go “by the Five!”

They also mention the “Five Towers.”

[north lotus]

This restricted to just one voice pack or all of them

[signal bramble]

Just one.

There’s the one that talks about the dream, the more disciplined one, and the egotistical genius one. The egoist is the one that mentions the five.

[north lotus]

Probably something to do with their background

[iron patio]

Can someone tell me what is the name of these golden-helmed rebel psykers?
https://youtu.be/O7hgjuFfn3A?t=122

At the 2 minute mark

[signal bramble]

They were created by the guy that made it. They’re not actual canon anything.

[iron patio]

ah that explains why I can't find them in the wiki, thanks!

[signal bramble]

From what we can interpret they’re some sort of psykers.

[iron patio]

yeah, they seem linked to one another in the video

What about the weird multi-eyed red eyes effect on the marine's helmet when the vison cracks at 5:11?

[green drum]

think that's just his HUD shattering with the glass

[signal bramble]

Telekinesis?

[iron patio]

Just some enhanced vision stuff? Definitely not a mod since they take the helmet off and it's normal

[signal bramble]

Yeah.

[iron patio]

aah that makes sense

[signal bramble]

I think it’s the hud.

If anything those psykers aren’t that strong. XD

In throne of light a teenage psyker kills several primaris marines by himself.

With ease.

[green drum]

two of them together and they couldn't crush the space marine to death. shameful display.

[iron patio]

LMAO

I'm over here jumping out of my seat just from that fight

thought it was some intense psykers considering they blocked bolter shots and stuff

does that mean that the convict psykers we play are baby material?

[signal bramble]

Hard to say. Psyker power levels is one of those things that work however the author needs them to.

[iron patio]

ah, I see. One more question. What about the golden orb at 7:45? Also fanmade stuff?

[arctic talon]

ye

[iron patio]

aw, wanted to learn more about it and what it does. Seems like chaos related since it seems to consume the marines and takes them to the chaos realm

[signal bramble]

The fact that all of it are things that could believably exist in the lore is a testament to how well he made it.

Good homebrew lore and fan creations should be able to fit seamlessly.

[arctic talon]

Only thing innacurate during it is the marine tanking the multilaser like that and the bolter fire rate at the end

other then that its great

but those are nitpicks

rule of cool always wins

[earnest snow]

Damn bot

Anyways

ahem

[iron patio]

Would the multilaser melt marines?

[earnest snow]

Whenever I read the word pysker the image of a child psyker forcing a space marine to blow his own brains out in front of an inquisitor comes to mind.
Then it returns to "WITNESS THEIR DOOOM!"

[signal bramble]

Not necessarily.

Las fire is depicted pretty weak in most cases against marines who usually can tank them for a bit or shrug them off.

A multi laser is just a rapid fire lasgun and would have to chip away quite a bit before damaging anything viral.

If it was a lascannon on the other hand? The marine would get shredded.

[iron patio]

ah so more damage is what they were saying. Does look like it dents the armor but not much

[honest trellis]

also the Marine has the sense to get out the way

Multilaser was the wrong weapon for a Marine TBH, autocannon or heavy bolter would have been gg nore

[signal bramble]

In game stats a multi laser hits harder than an auto cannon.

[honest trellis]

lorewise, the autocannon would have just pulped him

[arctic talon]

multi laser would def cause some more severe damage then in the animation

[honest trellis]

multilaser was survivable especially with his unintentional meastshields

[arctic talon]

but it wouldn't have killed

[honest trellis]

guess he made his armor save huh

[arctic talon]

yeah that as well

Those cultists/armsmen

saved the marine a lot of potential trouble

[iron patio]

looks like they did use an autocannon in minute 2:37 and they either don't get hit or just shrugged it off

[brittle slate]

not cultists.

[honest trellis]

Now, the krak missile

that's a bit more absurd

that should have gotten him

oh right they DID have an autocannon

shame cultist mcgee had terrible BS

[brittle slate]

they were supposed to be a human society being influenced by xenos

[signal bramble]

Just a reminder that weapons function how the author/creator wants them to.

[iron patio]

hold on I can only read wiki pages so fast haha

[honest trellis]

the autocannon missed completely

if an autocannon hits a marine that's one dead marine

[arctic talon]

Old Lost and the damned BS lookin ass lol

hitting on a 5+ 💀

[honest trellis]

"do you think the hoods are affecting our aim?"

"THE GODS WILL PROVIDE"

(the gods did not in fact provide)

[arctic talon]

to an extent, usually weapons seem to work how they're described in codexes

causing similar damage

[iron patio]

Guy does get hit on the shoulder by the autocannon, so def. a creator decision. Video is still insanely badass regardless

[arctic talon]

no one can tell me the Vraks traitor militia looks good

Because I've seen no one use the damn things on the tabletop even when they were usable

[storm jungle]

Also its important to remember the Astartes short-film wanks the Marines to show them as unstoppable for the sole twist that they get wiped by a completely unconventional threat

otherwise yeah the autocannon/multilaser bit was a bit bullshit

[dusk patrol]

They are now

[uncut plover]

i learned something interesting

apparently people hate the Leman Russ tanks

of all the tanks people can be on, the Leman Russ is the least comfortable and least reliable tank to be on with it's saving grace being how they are so cheap to produce

[fallen dune]

I got a lore question that just popped into my head while I was unable to sleep

Aquilan Guards are Custodes that go out to protect someone who is like destined to do great things for the Imperium

What happens if that person is like say in the guard, encounters demons. Grey Knights show up kill the demons and well.

Grey Knights like to kill people who were fighting with them against the demons.

[arctic talon]

The custodes will protect them

And the custodes has authority superseding the grey knights

As their word is = to the emperors

Technically

[fallen dune]

ah cool

I wish I had the money to afford a 40k army. 😦

would love to to have one.

[arctic talon]

Oof

[fallen dune]

my choices would either be Custodes, Armageddon Steel Legion, or a kitbash of Maccabian Janissaries..

[uncut plover]

Price wise, I think a 2000 point army of Custodes would be worth slightly less than 2000 points of say a Space Marine army

[arctic talon]

Imperial knights are the cheapest army

To hit 2k points with

Tbh

[uncut plover]

Ah yes

And you don't need to carry plenty

[arctic talon]

Most expensive is prolly admech or genestealer cults

[uncut plover]

Most horde armies are usually expensive.

[arctic talon]

Guard is expensive depending on how infantry heavy you are

[uncut plover]

AdMech, Tyranids, Orks, GSC

Imperial Guard too

[fallen dune]

Well I'm not overly versed in Guardsmen lore, but from my understanding Armageddon isn't the more horde focused guard army?

[arctic talon]

Nids are cheap

Tbh

Mostly since you need synapse creatures

[uncut plover]

Even in high numbers?

[arctic talon]

And they’re expensive points wise

I mean gaunts are useless

[fallen dune]

my main reason for liking Armageddon is it's heavier usage of armor rather than sheer numbers.. Am I wrong?

[arctic talon]

Without synapse creatures

[arctic talon]

Steel legion have a bunch of infantry in transports usually

So they run a lot of chimeras and infantry

[fallen dune]

As compared to a normal guard army which just runs but tons of infantry and maybe a few russes?

right?

[uncut plover]

I suppose so

[arctic talon]

Eh

Guard has never really been infantry heavy

For good lists

[uncut plover]

They aren't eh?

hmmm

[arctic talon]

Unless we count the abomination that is the 300 whiteshields list

[uncut plover]

I wish I can fight the Guard as my Death Guard. :3

[fallen dune]

I'm 22, but growing up my dad used to have his own 40k army still have the minis they are on a shelf on the wall.

[arctic talon]

Which was just to abuse spamming a bunch of shots

[fallen dune]

It was like a Blood Angel terminator unit? idk the name

but a bunch of Blood angel terminators and a assassin of some kind.

[uncut plover]

Blood Angels have no unique termies

what they do have are sanguinary guard

[fallen dune]

I didn't mean they were unique

but it was a bunch of terminators

[uncut plover]

ah

[fallen dune]

and either a caldeus or culuxes assassin.

[arctic talon]

Technically they do sorta

They have their own kit

For terminators

No difference other then asthetical

Ones

[uncut plover]

oh yeah

I forgot about these guys

[arctic talon]

On the upside they have better scaling then the generic terminators

On the downside they only work for blood angel armies so

Yeah

[fallen dune]

It was an old army obv from when I was young young

metal models

[arctic talon]

Lead?

Or white metal

[fallen dune]

not sure

I think it was darker maybe?

[arctic talon]

Pewter then

[fallen dune]

Pewter? I'll go look at them again after this mission

[arctic talon]

If it’s dark colored odds are it’s pewter

Bcs lead was usually a light color or white metal

[fallen dune]

I'll take a look and send some pics after this mission

but I believe they were darker.

they are pretty heavy

for their small size imo

there is also a techmarine with them

you know actually there are normal marines now that I remember it.

[fallen dune]

I'm out of my mission imma go take a look now.

I have no idea what kind of assassin model that is doesn't look like any of the 4?

Oh I just found it online the name is a rogue trader imperial assassin?

from like around 1989

[storm jungle]

The one that looks like a foot-ninja from TMNT?

[fallen dune]

This one

same exact model

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats the one

[fallen dune]

that's the assassin

[storm jungle]

Im half sure the assassin temples didnt properly exist back then so could explain this guy.

He has the wonky proto-Eversor pistol and everything

[fallen dune]

I'm pretty sure they didn't either

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[fallen dune]

this dudes called a Citadel Imperial Assassin

[storm jungle]

Yep just a rando assassin

they probably worked on them properly later

[fallen dune]

Could be used as a Caldeus assassin still maybe? Or people were using him as an eversor.

[storm jungle]

Most likely eversor, the SMG/pistol deffo matches

Callidus were always gals

[fallen dune]

Yeah but they can shapeshift so it could've been a shapeshifted one.

But Eversor is cool too

[storm jungle]

Hes more or less a proto rogue-trader model either way

the assasins properly came in on 2nd edition

like all 4 OG ones

Goofy lads, I miss them

[fallen dune]

I just went and looked at some of the models on the shelf

and they look fucking wack maybe they aren't blood angels? Or only some are idk

One looks like a space wolf terminator, can't find any insignias just a giant fur cloak.

[storm jungle]

Send pics

[fallen dune]

They're hella dusty but sure I got nothing better to do.

[storm jungle]

Yeah im bored too might as well track them down if i can

[fallen dune]

ok I'll post some the paint was done in like 1989 by a teenage dad of mine so no judging XD

it's probably better than I could ever do

I'm so confused

[storm jungle]

Rogue trader colors were bright and goofy and stylish i would never judge em

[fallen dune]

Here is the first one he’s not a terminator which confuses me more

Gonna get my bed all dusty but whatevs

Robes and a big ass sword

[storm jungle]

GODDAMN thats a lot of dust

but alright inspection time

🔎

[fallen dune]

Yeah it is

[storm jungle]

okay so it has the sword + wings sigil

[shadow plover]

It's a psyker of some sort

[storm jungle]

Yeee it has the hot-dog mustard sword

time to visit the lexicanum miniature page

[shadow plover]

Some old ass librarian

[fallen dune]

First terminator

Confuses me because I always think of Dark Angels when it comes to hoods

[storm jungle]

Also the black/red matches their heresy colors too which im not sure if it was intentional or not

[fallen dune]

Probably not? I’m not sure

[storm jungle]

yeah because these are OLD

hmm

WAIT

[fallen dune]

First one

Wolf cloak makes me think Space Wolves

[storm jungle]

FOUND IT

[fallen dune]

Oh?

[storm jungle]

Okay so the first one

Dark Angels, 2nd Edition (1993-1998)

Ezekiel

I knew the wing-sword thing had relevance on the book

[fallen dune]

Oh

that's wild??? So they are different chapters then maybe?

[storm jungle]

MIGHT be the case

im looking at the Dark Angels miniature log now to see if the others match

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Miniatures_(Dark_Angels)

[fallen dune]

Maybe these are Deathwing Terminators???

Hold on

I know he has Blood raven space marines

[shadow plover]

Think that's the middle one with different arms

[storm jungle]

Thats the lad yep

[fallen dune]

yeah that's it

What the fuck is this

[storm jungle]

Its the very old space wolves kit lmao

luv me mustard guns

[shadow plover]

Wolf guard I think

[storm jungle]

Wolf Guard termies yep

[fallen dune]

that's another one I have no idea

[storm jungle]

okay so

has the cog-skull kneepads

[fallen dune]

Dude if you tell me this is like Iron Hands

[storm jungle]

He DOES have a missile platform so that should make him easier to nail down, let me see...

found em

Looks like a random termie

[fallen dune]

Ok I was gonna say

if it was Iron Hands I was gonna screee

[storm jungle]

speaking of

[fallen dune]

lemme go put these back and nab others

[storm jungle]

found this lad

and its not a Space Marine

Its an Inquisitor IN Terminator armor

[shadow plover]

Huh

[storm jungle]

Yeah Inqs had a lot of termie armor minis back in the day

theres like 5 of them here

Literally all of these guys are wearing some fashion of power-armor

[fallen dune]

An Inquisitor in terminator armor?

[storm jungle]

Yep

that can still happen in current 40k

at the end of the day its just advanced armor in some cases

But most inquisitors sensibly go for a less bulkier alternative

[fallen dune]

Let me take a look at the others and post osme

Ok so the second one I grabbed don't even need to post it is another Space Wolves, Wolf Guard Terminator

little fur dangly bit, storm bolter and chain fist

[storm jungle]

Yeee Space Wolf minis are like very easy to spot lol

[fallen dune]

The other one I grabbed is also space wolves lemme put these back

So that's 3 out of the 5 for the original wolf guard terminators

lemme see if the other 2 are on the shelf, they should be

I think one of the wolfguard might be missing which is major feelsbadm

lemme post the last few termis

[storm jungle]

[fallen dune]

These ones I can't tell I don't see any insignias

[fallen dune]

wut?

[storm jungle]

waiting for the minis, im curious

[vital kernel]

she got some long arms to actually fill those gloves

[storm jungle]

Shes quite literally; built different

[fallen dune]

I wonder can the paint be redone on these?

Lemme take some pics while you answer that

[storm jungle]

No idea on my end unfortunately, I know next to nothing about miniature stuff, though I assume wiping away/painting over something that old might be iffy but still 🤔

[fallen dune]

No clue about this one

[storm jungle]

Most likely another generic termie

let me see...

[fallen dune]

Lightning claw terminators are two of those

One has a circle with lightning bolt on the shoulder the other has a blood drop with a skull as you can see

[storm jungle]

Alright so the last one is anotehr generic terminator from '89

nothing chapter specific

First one looks like a basic termie too but cant find any images of it

[fallen dune]

I think this next one might be chapter specific but it's painted kinda bad.

[storm jungle]

damn

my guy got dipped in ketchup 💀

[shadow plover]

Might be a chaos termie

Looking at the trims

[fallen dune]

I thought chaos but I’m not sure

[mystic geyser]

@fallen dune the og assassin has recently had a glow up. He's now from Clade Adamus

[shadow plover]

That's a deathwing termie

[fallen dune]

Bruh

omg it is I see the shin plate now

[shadow plover]

The one on the far left

Just different weapon again

[fallen dune]

I gotta go through the mini box and see if I can find the rest of the Deathwing lol

what about the other two?

[fallen dune]

This one and

[fallen dune]

This?

Ketchup terminator and thunder hammer

[storm jungle]

yeah couldnt find them on my end

scouring lexi atm since all these termies are made to look generic for customisation purposes

[shadow plover]

This is probably the ketchup termie with a normal storm bolter instead

The other one with the hammer is probably just a basic terminator from the same era with a different load out than shown in the pics

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[fallen dune]

This is getting more and more convoluted by the second

[storm jungle]

Old Imperial minis are deffo a rabbithole

[fallen dune]

So we have a Citadel Imperial Assassin/Clade Adamus

[storm jungle]

Yeah he got updated like a month ago

for bad reasons

[fallen dune]

Ezekiel, Grandmaster Librarian of the Dark Angels

1st Edition Deathwing Terminators

2nd Edition Wolf Guard Terminators

[shadow plover]

Probably has these upgrade bits on some basic termie

[fallen dune]

An Inquisitor in Terminator armor

A chaos terminator

Blood Angel space marines

[storm jungle]

Old GW be like "Terminator armor? You mean free real-estate?"

[fallen dune]

I opened up the bin of random minis now because I'm determined to find that last wolf guard

and first thing I see are Warhammer 30k Horus Heresy era space marines I think?

The got the studded left shoulderplate and the Beak helmet

Isn't that what was commonly worn around 30k?

[storm jungle]

Yeah but the beaky helmets were on the OG Marine models too

post em here for inspection 👀

[fallen dune]

I'm sorry to tell you that

opening the bin

this got even more convoluted I found a Wolf Guard Terminator.

It's the one with the giant wolf cloak

that I showed earlier

[storm jungle]

oshit twins

[fallen dune]

2 Wolf Guard squads?

[storm jungle]

Very likely or could have been traded

the one with the belt is suppose to be the lead termie of the group

[fallen dune]

BRUH

I found a fking chaplain just now

idk what chapter

and he's missing an arm it's just in the bin somewhere, metal ones are easy to fix because they have little nubs to slot in

[storm jungle]

post em all

[fallen dune]

While I go post pics of it

it has a banner on it's back

A black wing with blood dripping from it?

He’s pretty beaten up

But not impossible to fix

[storm jungle]

Also in terminator armor too

interesting

[fallen dune]

I do dig Chaplains A LOT

Kinda jealous gotta find his arm

[hexed shard]

whats a perpetual?

[fallen dune]

Have you ever heard of a tech marine with a shoulder mounted bolter..?

Not mounted

[hexed shard]

whats a perpetual?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Perpetual

[storm jungle]

I THINK so

[fallen dune]

Like

It’s a GIANT bolter that sits over the shoulder

[storm jungle]

I would need to see the mini

most techmarines have big-ass wrenches on their shoulders

[hexed shard]

is it the same as being immortal?

[storm jungle]

or at least the old minis do

[fallen dune]

It’s not in text but here

[storm jungle]

Yes.

[hexed shard]

and can a perpetual be killed?

[storm jungle]

jesus christ

lmao

[shadow plover]

Ye old heavy bolters were shoulder mounted

[upbeat dagger]

what are power weapons?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Powered_weapon

[fallen dune]

So it’s a shoulder mounted bolter tech marine

[storm jungle]

Yep

chunky one too

[fallen dune]

Wait no

That’s not the tech marine

I just found the tech marine

[upbeat dagger]

ok so, how they work

[storm jungle]

Thats the one yeah, the one Jerk posted

god the old lascannons too

looking like fucking party-shooters 💀

[storm jungle]

Weapon has power-field generator.

It makes blue glow.

Makes things easier to slice and kill.

Makes things dead.

[upbeat dagger]

what's a power field

[storm jungle]

Read the damn page

lmao

It literally says what it is in 3 sentences

[fallen dune]

The tech marine

Are they both tech marines?

[storm jungle]

Yep looks like it

[upbeat dagger]

page says it sheaths the blade in a field of energy that disrupts solid matter

[storm jungle]

yes thats what a power-field is

[fallen dune]

2 tech marines?

[storm jungle]

the shoulder-design has the jagged squares which signify it yep

which are suppose to be admech-inspired

[fallen dune]

I need to reglue these one day

[shadow plover]

Don't think this body or weapon are from a tech marine but the backpack does belong to one

[hexed shard]

can the emperor just easily stop time at will?

and can he clearly see the future?

[fallen dune]

That’s the only weapon that fits it

The way his arms are set up it’s shoulder mounted

[shadow plover]

Yeah I think it was a devastator originally but the backpack was changed

[storm jungle]

Yeah it gets a bit fuzzy since a lot of the minis start to overlap

they got more identity later on through 2nd to 3rd edition

[fallen dune]

I think I found a third tech marine

Same tech marine helmet as the other two

[storm jungle]

these marine minis are getting out of hand

[fallen dune]

I found a 4th one I think

I found another wolf guard also

So now I have OVER. Full set of those here lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao

could be worse

[fallen dune]

And a shoulder mounted lascannon

[storm jungle]

yeee thats from the set Jerk posted above i think

[upbeat dagger]

so is the thunderhammer a power weapon?

or something else

[arctic talon]

It’s a power weapon

[storm jungle]

Yes. It is.

[arctic talon]

And the way it works in game isn’t really lore accurate

It should completely obliterate everything it comes into contact with

Same with the power maul

The way the power sword works is about how all the power weapons should

[upbeat dagger]

hm, wild

i mean im glad we have the thammer as it id

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah for sure

It’s fun

[upbeat dagger]

its fun to hit a plagueryn for 2/3 its hp

[fallen dune]

I found some wolves in this bin

[hexed shard]

whats the warhammer equivalent to a star destroyer? as in, the basic most common capital ship that can operate independently

[fallen dune]

And I was worried

That there was a first edition Leman Russ

In here lol

[arctic talon]

Prolly one of the random battle ship varients

[storm jungle]

jesus

[arctic talon]

But those aren’t like

[storm jungle]

thats an actual relic

dont lose it

[fallen dune]

I don’t think there is

[arctic talon]

What’s used for patrolling stuff

[fallen dune]

I think it’s just wolves from something else

[hexed shard]

yeah but which one

[arctic talon]

The equivalent in terms of usage is the Lunar class crusier tbh

[fallen dune]

I found a second chaplain I think…?

This one is in robes

Wanna see?

[arctic talon]

Not any battleship

[storm jungle]

Post it 👀

[arctic talon]

Battleships aren’t used very often the same way star destroyers are

[arctic talon]

Mother of god

[storm jungle]

based lad

[arctic talon]

That’s an old mini

[storm jungle]

yeah he has been posting archeo-minis for like the last hour

legit trip down memory lane

[shadow plover]

Is that Asmodai

[arctic talon]

Any of the lunar class crusiers are used in a similar way to star destroyers

[fallen dune]

Is it?

[hexed shard]

thanks

[storm jungle]

Yep thats him

just no back banner

[fallen dune]

What does his back banner look like

[shadow plover]

Yup

Oh

[storm jungle]

Like a WWE poster

[fallen dune]

Lol so he has Asmodai and Ezekiel from 1989

[storm jungle]

yeah these are actual relics

[shadow plover]

Inb4 there's Azrael as well

[arctic talon]

They still sell Ezekiel

Funnily enough

[storm jungle]

are you fucking kidding me

lmao

[arctic talon]

No lol

[storm jungle]

jesus christ

[arctic talon]

Most of the inner circle

Still use their old as hell minis

[storm jungle]

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-WW/Dark-Angels-Ezekiel-Grand-Master-of-Librarians

THIS SHIT FOR 32 BUCKS?

Actual grandpa

someone take him to the retirement home already

[arctic talon]

Asmodai got a new model

And Azreal is getting one

Thank god

[arctic talon]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99060101324_AzraelNEW_01.jpg

[storm jungle]

Azrael's is basically his older mini but with updated graphics yeah

[arctic talon]

This one is worse tbh

[storm jungle]

Lmao

the only good part is the jawa

ITUNI

[arctic talon]

Ezekiel looks passable

Tbh

[storm jungle]

Hes awful

throw him into the deepest pits of tartarus

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/hell-descent-descend-going-to-gif-12995187

[arctic talon]

Most people use a primaris Phobos librarian

And kitbash them into ezikiel

[storm jungle]

Based route

I dont blame them when this mini is literally older than me by like 2-3 years

[fallen dune]

Bruh maybe I should try to make a space wolf army

And include 2nd gen wolf guards lmao

[arctic talon]

Be based

And if anyone ever talks trash you hold the power of a pewter lemen russ

Aka a blunt force trauma weapon

[fallen dune]

Lol I don’t think leman is in here

[arctic talon]

Oof

[fallen dune]

I think they were wolves for something else

They aren’t the same wolf models

[upbeat dagger]

dang yall over here talkin abt these cool minis and im over here debating if its worth the price of a tech priest or two

[storm jungle]

Its not

for the love of god dont waste your money

go buy actually important stuff

like food

[upbeat dagger]

see ok

i would love to buy like, a single mini to have

but the paints

[storm jungle]

yeah

[upbeat dagger]

the damn paints

[storm jungle]

Its fun but also like way too much effort

[fallen dune]

I think I’d love to paint minis for cash like some people lol

[upbeat dagger]

id totally spend 50-60 on a pre-painted techpriest but shit $140 for one priest + paint aint worth it

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not

[storm jungle]

I'd pay if i had minis lol

but my excuse is laziness and my hands are shaky

[arctic talon]

Honestly it took me a while to get over my shaky hands

For mini painting

[upbeat dagger]

let alone an actual admech army

[fallen dune]

I found a second over the shoulder heavy bolter

[upbeat dagger]

$440 for the started army with paints

[arctic talon]

Literally one of the most expensive factions points per dollar lol

[upbeat dagger]

cuz thry need so many paints? or are the mini's expensive

[arctic talon]

No

Admech minis have some really big things

[upbeat dagger]

ah

[arctic talon]

That are very points to $ inefficient

[upbeat dagger]

ah

wdym points

[arctic talon]

Points are how the game is played

[upbeat dagger]

ah

[arctic talon]

Every unit has a point value

[fallen dune]

Oh my god I think I found orc or catachans I can’t tell which it is

[arctic talon]

You can bring up to a points limit

Depending on game size

[fallen dune]

Mohawks, sleeves tops

[upbeat dagger]

so basically admech is kinda the worst faction?

[fallen dune]

Pump shotgun

[arctic talon]

No

Well actually rn yes

But not really

The worst faction rn is space marines lol

[upbeat dagger]

if i were to get any minis theyd he admech or sob

[upbeat dagger]

how tf

[arctic talon]

Wdym how tf

Marines have almost like

[upbeat dagger]

space marines

[arctic talon]

Never been good in the actual tabletop

Tbh

[upbeat dagger]

yknow the 40k poster boy

[arctic talon]

They’ve had a few periods

But they aren’t always mediocre at worst like eldar

And when marines are meta they’re usually abusing some game breaking loophole

[upbeat dagger]

i love the tech priests cuz they're dope as fuck, i love SoB cuz they're so comically over the top and its fucking hilarious

[fallen dune]

So question

[arctic talon]

Like musical wounds with 3 dreadnoughts and 2 tech marines lol

[fallen dune]

If I say made myself an army

Could I use that terminator armor inquisitor?

that too old

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s still a thing

[fallen dune]

Omg

[arctic talon]

Just put them on a properly sized base lol

[fallen dune]

It’s already on a bad

Base

[arctic talon]

Even better

You can just use it

Doesn’t matter how old a mini is

You can still use it

Hell you can use the cardboard cutout grot dreadnought from second edition

At a GW tournament if you want

[fallen dune]

Lol

I’ve always really wanted an army of some kind..

Can’t you slot inquisitors in anywhere?

[arctic talon]

Yeah you can bring 1 inquisitor

Into any imperial army

[fallen dune]

I found some cool af minis here tbh

Terminator inquisitor and terminator chaplain are my favorite

Is this a chaos logo?

The arm belongs to a space wolf terminator so I’m confused again…

Did he make like a traitor wolf guard terminator squad?

[arctic talon]

13th company stuff for the eye of terror campaign

[fallen dune]

Got a reference pic?

Because that arm belongs to a wolf guard space wolf terminator

[arctic talon]

It was space wolves using kitbashed chaos bits

Still loyalist

[fallen dune]

oh

[arctic talon]

Just insane and using salvaged chaos gear

[fallen dune]

well they are insane

they cannibalize their enemies

[arctic talon]

Eh that’s standard for marines

[fallen dune]

lol

Man that Chaplain Terminator and Inquisitor looks sick 👀

yo new stuff in the darktide store.

And I hate it. 🙃

[shadow plover]

my 300 or so painted minis disagree it being too much effort

[fallen dune]

Is there any army in the tabletop that can use both guardsmen and space marines

Like how Deathwatch is a bunch of different space marine chapters

[shadow plover]

well anything with the imperium keyword can be allied in a game

[fallen dune]

so if I wanted to combine Space Wolves and Guardsmen I could?

[shadow plover]

the armies do lose some army wide special rules when doing so

yes you could

[fallen dune]

hm I might have to do some reading then

because I LOVE terminators

but I love guardsmen also

[arctic talon]

You’d lose some really strong rules for both

But yeah you could

[fallen dune]

what about a kill team? What are they?

[shadow plover]

as in the game or deathwatch units

[fallen dune]

not the game

I'm just trying to think of some way I could eventually come up with an army

that lets me use my Terminator Chaplain with Guardsmen lol

[arctic talon]

Kill teams are how death watch army build

[echo vault]

What did they ad

[arctic talon]

They get kill teams instead of standard marine squads

[fallen dune]

Awful stuff imo

[arctic talon]

For a lot of sruff

[echo vault]

They added slop and slime cosmetics

[echo vault]

It's very detailed stuff

[arctic talon]

Oh god drill abbot

[echo vault]

The psyker looks cool

Especially with the gas mask

[fallen dune]

There is a standalone mask in the psyker shop that is better

it's a skull kinda like that one zealot one

[celest dome]

Grob the Fixer
Can we fix it? Grob the Fixer Yes, we can!

[echo vault]

I'm probably gonna stick with the psyker cosmetics I already have

[fallen dune]

Why are they waiting so long to add the big ticket skins?

Like Krieg

They'd make so much money on that

[arctic talon]

Bcs they make people more willing to spend money

Idk

[echo vault]

Maybe they haven't made it yet because they wanna do different things

[arctic talon]

The drill abbot is a funny reference to lore books

Mostly since that power maul is for beating children

Or killing them

[echo vault]

Pulping a child

[arctic talon]

The schola progenium baby

[fallen dune]

Are inquisitors any good in armies btw?

[arctic talon]

If you don’t do well on a test they’ll rip your spine out and display it for the rest of the class

[arctic talon]

Depends

[fallen dune]

Like if I'm able to afford myself an army I like

I WILL put that Terminator armor inquisitor in it

After I repaint it

[arctic talon]

Or they’ll cement you into the walls

And have your face be imprinted

[fallen dune]

What

[arctic talon]

The schola progenium

They have a lot of uh “punishments”

For students who don’t succeed

[fallen dune]

oh

[arctic talon]

Or don’t follow orders

Or disrespect the instructors

[fallen dune]

I thought you were talking about my inquisitor

[arctic talon]

Or try escaping

Nah

The tempestus scions codex and sisters of battle codex had some uh

Intresting punishments

[echo vault]

Bro this marine has the value brand dreadnought interment

[arctic talon]

Bro looking like a kataphron servitor lol

[echo vault]

I wanna see this guy do tony hawk tricks with his tracks

[arctic talon]

Anyways the imperium of man has an institution for abusing children till they become the perfect soldier

[echo vault]

Do like a 1080

[arctic talon]

Which is certinely an idea

[echo vault]

If you had to come up with a new dark eldar torture what would it be

[arctic talon]

Idfk

The stuff in the codexes already gets you on a watchlist

[fallen marsh]

I wouldn't be suprised to see some skins released along new classes

Like DKoK grenadier skin or some comissar skin

[arctic talon]

Getting force fed mono molecular barbed wire I guess? And then having it all removed at once

[celest dome]

Krieg being introduced with a class would be strange

[arctic talon]

And that’s like

Eh

The sentient soup treatment from the codex is way worse

[fallen marsh]

Depends. They can make like stormtrooper class and release DKoK Grenadier skin with it

[celest dome]

Put in a closed timeloop where you become a monster and infect yourself

[fallen marsh]

Or full Kasarkin skin

[celest dome]

Still would be a Premium skin separated from the class (as as far as we know comsetics are not class gated

[fallen marsh]

Yup but connected to relased class

[celest dome]

Not really, none of the Premium cosmetic atm are linked to the class, just the archetype
Will Krieger happen, maybe, but there is nothing pointing toward it being kept to release on a Class release or anything

It wasn't in the cosmetic leak iirc

[fallen marsh]

Its just my theory

Yup It wasn't in the leak

[celest dome]

Also if we do get painting stuff

Well DKoK are a poor mans Armageddon

[arctic talon]

Were

[fallen marsh]

I will be very surprised if they are not planing DKoK, Mordian, Vostroyan and other known regiments. There was Tallarn in the leaks from what I remember

[echo vault]

What's the 40k equivalent of this

[shadow plover]

cadians

[hollow sigil]

do the primarchs take off their armor?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[hollow sigil]

nice.

[fallen dune]

AYHAYAAA

[undone zodiac]

Fuckin typical military equipment

Always give too big or too small

This time its ogry L

[unique berry]

Dat mustache tho

[north lotus]

XXXXL

[raven prawn]

I remember some old 4chan post of having a giant treadmill slowly moving in a room so the person inside slowly turns into paste

[north lotus]

Wait, forgot one more X

[barren kayak]

@storm jungle you seem like one to ponder these things, so I'll shamelessly tag you.

What do you think about that we have a Beast of Nurgle wandering about the Hive, knowing well enough creatures of the warp don't just magically appear in the materium. Secondly, the presence of Daemonhost, suggest we are possibly dealing with more than a simple Rebellion/cultist issue. From ingame voice lines, it seems rather obvious something lurks beneath the surface. No word from the Planetary Govenor, the Moebian Sixth commanding officer is still unknown and potentially Tertium being the site of a darker more sinister history than we are let on?

the Imperium does like to erase and replace history

[celest dome]

I mean we do know that there are Chaos Xenos on the planet

We don't yet know if they are Nurgle only though but those might be the one that gave the knowledge needed

We can also see a Plaguebearer's skull in a mission

[barren kayak]

Listening to the Vox communications, it does paint a picture the cult had been there for a long time using intricate symbols to communicate.
It's not uncommon for these to go unnoticed, (given the scale of just how many cults exist within a hive city alone) but the scale of which when it all blew up, seem to point in the direction of negligence of local Imperial authority; the Planetary Governor. I could be wrong but I recall some chatter between the Rejects about Rannick having some interest there?

[barren tapir]

Which should be impossible, but eh

[celest dome]

What would be impossible ?

[copper light]

Personally, I think we’re dealing with the new strain of the Blight. To my knowledge, the Blight has been mutating and becoming stronger, as well as having different effects on individuals. We’re also playing post-Great Awakening, so there’s a large population of psykers right now. When they “overload” they can be taken over by daemons, so it’s possible some of these Beasts we’re mere psykers at one point, taken over by Nurgle daemons.

[barren kayak]

mhm. It's worth noticing which kind of Daemons we encounter, to really get a sense of scale of the issue. Generally it requires a lot to summon daemons into the materium and them manifesting, so for me seeing a Beast of Nurgle, naturally made me consider how badly the situation with Tertium is.

[copper light]

That’s the crazy thing too. What we’re seeing is a symptom of the wider scope of the problem. With the Cicatrix Maledictum now consuming large swaths of the Galaxy, the veil between the materium and immaterium are at the thinnest they’ve probably ever been. You are 100% not wrong that seeing them so casually on Tertium is alarming, but to consider this is likely happening on all the Imperial planets within that space? We’ve got our work cut out for us lol

[copper light]

There’s also rumor of another Hive city on Atoma. I would be surprised if the Planetary Governor is even in Tertium.

[barren kayak]

Rumours being what they are. Personally, I would not be surprised if the Planetary Governor let it all happen for whatever nefarious means.

[copper light]

Same. While granted, this situation is crazy, where is the Planetary Defense Force? All we’ve seen so far are the local garrisons, who just so happen to be here when all this is going down.

[north lotus]

Probably got ganked first

[celest dome]

Beast of Nurgle are still lesser Daemon, it's not like we're facing Great Unclean ones

[copper light]

Not yet lol

[north lotus]

As it turns out, a group of local on world civilian based defense force can be subverted by traitors.

[copper light]

True. And the Moebian 6th do have quite the presence here. All very sus

[north lotus]

Almost like cannon fodder for cannon fodder isn’t made of the most loyal personnel

[copper light]

I do really hope we get more story soon.

[north lotus]

Agreed. They probably are coming back from the holidays back over there

[copper light]

They are, of course. I am thinking more of in terms of dev time. It would be great if we got more story anytime soon, as opposed to maybe 6 or more months out.

[barren tapir]

Having the skull of the plaguebearer

[copper light]

Y’know you have a point. I thought daemons just went back into the warp and later rematerialized?

[celest dome]

https://old.reddit.com/r/DarkTide/comments/ztm7lp/found_a_plaugebearer_skull_i_wonder_if_this_is_a/

Daemon part staying in real space can happen

usually due to rituals

The daemon usually aren't worse off

Usually,sometime those parts don't regrow and leave scars

[north lotus]

It’s as the plot demands

Or if it looks cool.

[rose thorn]

Yeah if you want a part of a demon typically it needs to be bound To the real world or the weapon needs to be able to actually harm demons. That’s how grey knights get those heads and shit

[mystic geyser]

its not like its a consistent rule. As an idea, I'd say if the deamon transmuted through a mortal vessel, then the mortal bits could remain, just warped to resemble daemon bits.

[celest dome]

And sometime is also intent, like knowing the Daemon's true name and wanting it dead

[rose thorn]

OHHH YEAHH, I never really get the true name stuff, it seems like it’s literally just a mcguffin

[celest dome]

Well it's older stuff

much older than any of us

Even in old stories, names have power

Power that can protect, but also kill them

[barren tapir]

It is just old lore BS

IMHO

Like most of warp related stuff it is made so incoherent that we can justify it by being the chaos stuff

I would love something that actually say "ya know, fuck it, remove warp from everything" and instead to use it against it simply stop it, like an entire faction of blanks...

Oh, you wanna manifest power in the psychich phase? Well fuck you and the warp, you fail all rolls in such phase

[north lotus]

Insert necron bullshit here

[barren tapir]

Necron can still be affected by warp shit, i wanna something that actually punish those that try to affect it with warp

[north lotus]

“Necron eliminator, melee unit specialized in being a anti psychic wall.”

Basically imagine the tabletop equivalent to what the ECM is for battletech with missiles

A strangely quick unit that basically is meant to stay in cohesion with other units to protect them from Psychic AOE attacks and bullshit

Intent? Either you stick it together with your ranged units, or you run it into the wizards to bully them

[high steeple]

Something that bugs me is the dialog from the Inquisitors staff. They all threaten to kill you, but every mission is a suicide mission. In my head, I'm like execution sounds better than whatever Nurgle is going to do to me. I would rather they try to coax you with a spot in the warband - power, drugs, and most importantly no longer being expendable cannon fodder. Stick and stick isn't as effective as carrot and stick. Maybe its not grimdark, but its more believable.

[north lotus]

Stick vs stick makes sense, as anyone whom disagrees is a heretic

To steal a methodology from the communists and their supposed counterrevolutionaries

[arctic talon]

You forget all the people we play as are religious fanatics to an extent

They’d rather die a glorious death of redemption

Then get executed

[north lotus]

It’s seen also in other authoritarian groups, but ive seen it in communists mostly.

[arctic talon]

Like everyone in the imperium is heavily indoctrinated

18 hour work shifts are considered normal

As are summary executions

[north lotus]

And a day off is considered a utterly unimaginable fantasy

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The rare times it happens

Is bcs they need to fix stuff

Also “extended breaks” are usually the reward workers get

They get a 16 hour shift instead of an 18 hour one

Except they must pray for 1 hour

[north lotus]

It’s the type of work a farmer can only know in the modern day

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Or a literal slave laborer

But people in the imperium don’t really think like most people irl

Mostly since their entire culture is about martyrdom, working till you die, Ect.

Dying in a manufacotrum is a good thing

[north lotus]

Part of the issue people don’t get with talking about the imperium is how significantly different and horrible authoritarianism actually is, which I find is a problem of modern education and lack of cultural experience. Talk to a survivor of communism sometime to get a potential idea

[north lotus]

Or faschism, but that’s a little harder to find thanks to the defeat of it in the 1940’s

This isn’t me just boomerposting that the “kids don’t know how good they have it”

There is no resistance, no hope, only fear, and the paranoia that your neighbor might hear something that could get misinterpreted.

[north lotus]

Or worse, your neighbor is just jealous and lies about you

[high steeple]

All good points and our experience would be alien to the people of 40K, but I can't help wishing I could ask "tell me more about this execution option."

[north lotus]

Do you know the story of ciaphas Cain?

Part of the point of his character is the difference in cowardice and suicide

[high steeple]

@north lotus I LOVE Cephas Cain. I have read six or seven of them and own the first three Omnibus. He is my favorite character in 40K. It is a crime there is no Cephas Cain mini. I would build an Astra Militarum army, if they came out with it

[north lotus]

The point I’m making is it can get worse

WAY

WAY

WAAAAY

Worse

One word

Servitor

[high steeple]

Most of the books are from a position of privilege, space marines, Eisenhorn, etc.

Those dialogs really capture the bleak hopelessness and irrationality for me

@north lotus If you were a servitor, would you be self aware? I don't think they are, so that doesn't sound that bad. I guess I am a Cephas Cain looking for an angle to game the system

[signal bramble]

In the Crowl novel, he tells a story about a dude who accused his mother of heresy and witchcraft so she’d get executed and he could take her hab.

[north lotus]

Ex fuckin actly

[signal bramble]

In the Flesh And Steel novel it’s revealed that they have to be fully brainwashed and lobotomized. Self-aware servitors is considered a form of slavery.

And is illegal on some planets.

[crimson kayak]

Emphasis on some

[signal bramble]

Indeed. It’s illegal on the planet that story takes place on.

But apparently that self awareness is considered the difference between a servitor and slavery.

So if we look at atoma and the servitor that mentions being lonely? Well it’s pretty obvious what happened.

[high steeple]

@signal bramble you could argue they are legally dead, since they aren't self aware. If you are lobotomized and brainwashed, there isnt much left'

It doesn't sound half bad, once you get past the lobotomy and brainwashing

[signal bramble]

I mean if you’re not truly aware of what’s happening I suppose it doesn’t matter much.

[arctic talon]

It’s illegal on all forgeworlds funnily enough

On the other hand tech thralls are allowed

[high steeple]

On the other hand, what are the perks of being in the Inquisitioner's warband. Eisenhorn had unlimited money and even extended the lives of some of his operatives

Each time I hit level 30, not getting executed doesn't seem like much of a reward

[honest trellis]

That's the Imperium in a nutshell- a handful of the elite standing on the backs of the poor faceless bastards that never get a shot

[plush mason]

that is the most ironic thing i have read about 40k. most people in the imperium are chattel slaves in all but name and yet some worlds outlaw slavery? lmao

[plush mason]

iirc the workers in a forgeworld manufactorium only get paid "money" that is only accepted in that manufactorium's shops

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Workers on forgeworlds are glorified slaves

[plush mason]

its the company store style of slavery

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And they usually don’t see much wrong with it bcs

They grew up like that

[plush mason]

yup

if you have only known one way of doing things all your life its hard to see that way as wrong