The Vampire counts are imperial counts
#40k-lore-chat
brittle slate
rose thorn
bretonnia rocks
arctic talon
Vampire counts best faction
brittle slate
The lady in the lake is an elven goddess and they don’t know it
rose thorn
except the sexism :<
crisp heath
I really liked Cathay and it's really sad to hear there's no Cathay faction
brittle slate
There will be because total war
plush mason
The lady in the lake *is an elven goddess* and they don’t know it
and then they found out in the end times and just gave the fuck up
arctic talon
I really liked Cathay and it's really sad to hear there's no Cathay faction
They’re gona be in the new fantasy relaunch
final solar
I really liked Cathay and it's really sad to hear there's no Cathay faction
Just wait
crisp heath
Ok, so I should wait until relaunch is what I'm hearing lol
brittle slate
Unimaginative cowards
brittle slate
Ok, so I should wait until relaunch is what I'm hearing lol
Yes
arctic talon
Ok, so I should wait until relaunch is what I'm hearing lol
Yeah
final solar
Ok, so I should wait until relaunch is what I'm hearing lol
Well AoS =/= Fantasy
brittle slate
This year
final solar
Forward slashes disappear on discord for some reason when put between ==
brittle slate
…
rose thorn
Tzeentch literally infected basically every city in AOS
brittle slate
Sometimes I feel like this channel has people proverbially run in hear naked and rubbing honey all over themselves- they scream something mid conversation, then run out
arctic talon
And don’t require a small loan for an army
brittle slate
AoS is a great system
I just don’t connect with any of the lore
And that’s the only reason I hobby
brittle slate
Otherwise I’d play magic
crisp heath
Here's my take on Bretonnia, since I saw someone mention it earlier: I did dive into Bretonnia, because I assumed they were the Imperium equivalent. It's all boring. Big guy, big hammer, not as racist, Emps is based off Sigmar but he's more interesting than Sigmar, lost a bunch of wars, won a lot more, and it's all trying to be Tolkien but at least I had fun reading the Hobbit
arctic talon
I just don’t connect with any of the lore
Yeah I can get that
I couldn’t get into AOS initially
But I found lore I liked
And could connect to
rose thorn
Here's my take on Bretonnia, since I saw someone mention it earlier: I did dive ...
they are knights of the round tbale, they follow the lady of the lake and all that shit
they uses lances and stay on horse back
arctic talon
Here's my take on Bretonnia, since I saw someone mention it earlier: I did dive ...
Honestly sigmar is so much more of a better person
Compared to the emperor
And also a better character
He has flaws
rose thorn
they are more like imperial kngihts
arctic talon
And tries to fix them
rose thorn
actually bretonnians and imperial kngihts are baiscally the same
crisp heath
I like history, and I like fantasy, but honestly WH fantasy is just more boring than both of those. I guess it's something you can't really quantify? but for some reason, Bretonnia bores the hell out of me
unique berry
they are more like imperial kngihts
Griffon Knight are cooler tho
arctic talon
I like history, and I like fantasy, but honestly WH fantasy is just more boring ...
It’s irl feudalism lol
But even worse
brittle slate
But I found lore I liked
The models are gorgeous
crisp heath
yeah! feudalism is only fun if I don't have to think about it!
brittle slate
I’ve never seen such incredible miniature design in my life
brittle slate
I like history, and I like fantasy, but honestly WH fantasy is just more boring ...
Respectfully I think it’s just because you haven’t read the lore
Same thing goes for the tau
The lore is harder to access because the company doesn’t focus on them
arctic talon
I love ossriarch bone reapers
brittle slate
So people end up thinking they’re bland
brittle slate
I love ossriarch bone reapers
I don’t even know what the fuck is going on there but I bought a box
They just sit there and I wonder
crisp heath
The reason I haven't read the lore is because nothing in it grabs me like 40k did. I write, and the single most important thing you can have is a good hook. In 40k, it's space marines, and they even have a back-up hook in Chaos. What's the hook of Fantasy?
arctic talon
They harvest a “bone tithe”
From the cities they protect
Is the part of lore I enjoy
Since they’re pretty much skeletal golems
unique berry
Same thing goes for the tau
Fuck the Tau
arctic talon
Who need mortals to survive
Because without mortals they run out of their supply of repair materials
Since they need specific bones with specific properties
brittle slate
Fuck the Tau
enters a fucking mouthbreather, right on cue.
crisp heath
AoS had a few factions I thought were interesting, moreso than Bretonnia. Ultimately, I saw the Night Haunt, and that kind of hooked me. What is the hook of Fantasy? Because if it's Bretonnia, that's a weak hook.
vale echo
Hey there, I know absolutely nothing about 40k lore (or warhammer at all tbh). Is there any good quick-ish summary that would help me understand some of this game better?
arctic talon
AoS had a few factions I thought were interesting, moreso than Bretonnia. Ultima...
The hook for fantasy is a super well developed world
Almost every city on the maps in game have lore
About what they produce, wars they’ve fought
Ect.
brittle slate
It's like a puzzle wrapped into a rubix cube... designed by Picasso
plush mason
enters a fucking mouthbreather, right on cue.
bro. just ignore trolls like that. only way to make it stop same with all the space wolf fans and the "furry" jokes. they only persist because the fans let them piss them off
brittle slate
bro. just ignore trolls like that. only way to make it stop same with all the sp...
Fair enough.
crisp heath
The hook for fantasy is a super well developed world
I understand that, but in most situations you're supposed to be hooked by one or two things, and then develop more opinions as the story progresses. Ig I can understand realism, but at the same time, I don't come to stories for realism, but for escapism, and if I have to dig for something I find fun, I'm sorry, but I just don't think that's a well-developed story.
I like ogres because they seem fun, I like Cathay because I like Chinese aesthetics, and I like Tomb Lords because I like, well, necrons. I don't think ogres are enough to win me into the setting if I wasn't already a fan of 40k.
arctic talon
I understand that, but in most situations you're supposed to be hooked by one or...
Yeah that’s fair
vale echo
This seems to be a gameplay video, I was hoping to learn just some of the barebones of the lore.
brittle slate
This seems to be a gameplay video, I was hoping to learn just some of the barebo...
But in general 40k youtubers are generally extremely biased
brittle slate
Agreed
vale echo
Great thanks!!
crisp heath
Luetin is alright. At least you didn't post Ridiculus
arctic talon
Ridiculous is “comedy over accuracy”
brittle slate
and do everything you possibly can to avoid Arch
arctic talon
Which is fine
brittle slate
and that australian guy
arctic talon
Bcs they pubically admit it
I’d have a problem if they didn’t use that as a disclaimer
crisp heath
Oh yeah I like Ridiculus, they're good background noise and sometimes I even sit down for whole episodes, but Bricky is clearly reading off wikis
brittle slate
after you watch a few videos then pick up a book
the lore has been around since the 1980's
no one can do enough of a quick summary
... except maybe chatgpt
arctic talon
Oh yeah I like Ridiculus, they're good background noise and sometimes I even sit...
DK isn’t the one telling lore usually but ye
Lmfao
brittle slate
actually...
plush mason
and that australian guy
Majorkill? yeah he is a shitposter more than a loretuber but again at least he admits it
arctic talon
Honestly Arch is
crisp heath
DK isn’t the one telling lore usually but ye
yeah I realized after I typed, they're both just "the warhammer man" in my subconscious lmaooo
arctic talon
Avoid at all costs
He somehow managed to make lore that was under 100 pages
Into an over 24 hour long series
With 37 fucking parts
crisp heath
Majorkill is super entertaining. I honestly wish he was a different kind of youtuber because I really think he could get a huge audience
arctic talon
And that’s without getting into his uh questionable views
plush mason
the man has like 6 or 7 videos on vraks lol
crisp heath
Like, Majorkill can tell me about something I already know and get half the details wrong and I'd still listen the whole time (and honestly he has done that a few times)
versed quiver
majorkill is a breath of fresh air from the usual 40k lore video essay voices
crisp heath
Just an entertaining guy
versed quiver
and a fellow aussie
plush mason
cause his videos are for laughs. they are mostly just memes
versed quiver
i like his piss war with Arch
arctic talon
Which unfortunately he isn’t
crisp heath
I wish he'd do non-lore videos just because I think he'd be good entertainer for a general audience
brittle slate
The Warhammer 40,000 universe is a science fiction setting created by Games Workshop, a British tabletop game company. It is set in the far future, where humanity has spread out across the galaxy and is beset by various alien species, as well as threats from within, such as the rise of powerful and malevolent psychic beings known as "daemons."
plush mason
The issue is when someone thinks everything he says is accurate
yeah which again isnt his fault as he never claims to be accurate
brittle slate
At the center of this universe is the Imperium of Man, a vast interstellar empire ruled by the God-Emperor of Mankind, who is said to be the reincarnation of the ancient human hero Horus. The Imperium is a theocracy, with the Emperor worshipped as a deity and the ruling council, known as the High Lords of Terra, ruling in his name. The Imperium is a technologically advanced society, but it is also highly authoritarian and oppressive, with dissent and heresy ruthlessly suppressed by the Emperor's secret police, the Inquisition.
arctic talon
Oh boy chat GPT
brittle slate
The Imperium is constantly at war with a variety of enemies, both external and internal. These include the various alien species that seek to conquer or destroy humanity, such as the Orks, the Tyranids, and the Necrons. The Imperium is also plagued by internal strife, including rebellions and uprisings by various factions within its borders.
In addition to the Imperium, there are several other major factions in the Warhammer 40,000 universe. These include the Chaos Space Marines, followers of the Chaos gods who seek to bring about the end of the universe; the Eldar, a technologically advanced and psychic alien race; the Tau, a young and ambitious alien race that seeks to bring other species into its "Greater Good" philosophy; and the Necrons, a race of ancient and powerful undead robots.
versed quiver
Dont forget abt the catgirls
arctic talon
crisp heath
The Imperium is constantly at war with a variety of enemies, both external and i...
Can we not do this? we were having an actual discusision and this is kind of obnoxious
brittle slate
yeah which again isnt his fault as he never claims to be accurate
yeah but he still does the damage.
brittle slate
Can we not do this? we were having an actual discusision and this is kind of obn...
I am doing it.
I did it.
versed quiver
how will the 40k lore community recover from such damage 😢
plush mason
yeah but he still does the damage.
not as much as GW does tho 
crisp heath
I mean, it's not like politics or religion. I'm here for fun, I don't know about you. He can be wrong sometimes, and if someone new to lore has a wrong opinion I'm always glad to tell them what book to read if they want to know more. I don't think a 40k lore youtuber is really doing "harm" unless he says something like "the Imperium is the ideal society"
brittle slate
The issue is when someone thinks everything he says is accurate
this is the general problem with the 40k community
arctic talon
I mean, it's not like politics or religion. I'm here for fun, I don't know about...
Arch warhammer reference
brittle slate
you would have thought that Loremasters channel from + would have fixed it
arctic talon
brittle slate
but it's just people reading the codex's and still getting shit wrong lol
versed quiver
I think come, 44K, the emperor will have possessed the body of Ciaphas Caine, who by now is quite old, together they will recover Vulkans collection of Vinyl, and trade it to slaanesh in exchange for them travelling to the Andromeda galaxy forever.
this will be cannon
brittle slate
This seems to be a gameplay video, I was hoping to learn just some of the barebo...
literally use chatgpt
versed quiver
the emperor protects from such weapons
Also Angron would have calmed down by then
and opened a bakery
plush mason
lol
vale echo
literally use chatgpt
This vid you linked is good, I just wanted a cursory overview of things. I didn't really understand what a nurgle was lol
brittle slate
This vid you linked is good, I just wanted a cursory overview of things. I didn'...
all good
arctic talon
This vid you linked is good, I just wanted a cursory overview of things. I didn'...
Nurgle is the god of disease, decay and depression
Pretty much
versed quiver
nurgle is a big smelly god who makes everyone smell and get disease
brittle slate
This vid you linked is good, I just wanted a cursory overview of things. I didn'...
im just asking it random questions and it's giving better responses then half the 40k discord
brittle slate
nurgle is a big smelly god who makes everyone smell and get disease
case and point. check and mate.
versed quiver
the 40k discord, a dark place
crisp heath
I will not step foot in servers past 4,000 members. Cesspits.
plush mason
Nurgle is the god of disease, decay and depression
it says a lot about the imperium when a god that literally gives you cancer is a better option for a most people living in it
brittle slate
jesus, look at this next level breakdown of nurgle:
arctic talon
I will not step foot in servers past 4,000 members. Cesspits.
What about this one lol
versed quiver
personally I'd take a nice slaanesh cult over them anyday, go out with a BANG*
crisp heath
What about this one lol
It was under 3,000 when I joined, and I'm not in General lmao
arctic talon
Lol
plush mason
i would rather join Khorne. give me an axe and ill do his bloody toil
brittle slate
Nurgle is one of the four major Chaos gods, deities worshipped by followers of the Chaos Pantheon. Nurgle is the god of decay, disease, and entropy, and is associated with death and the end of all things. His followers believe that by embracing decay and death, they can achieve immortality and transcendence.
Nurgle is generally portrayed as a malevolent and destructive force. He is the god of decay, disease, and entropy, and is associated with death and the end of all things. His followers believe that by embracing decay and death, they can achieve immortality and transcendence, but this often comes at the cost of the suffering and destruction of others.
However, it is possible that some people within the Warhammer 40,000 setting might view Nurgle or his followers in a more positive light. For example, some people might see Nurgle as a necessary part of the natural cycle of life and death, or they might view his followers as brave or admirable for their willingness to embrace and confront death and decay.
lol
Just... just amazing
crisp heath
Nurgle is a cool God. He was what got me into 40k, and even though Nurgle isn't my favorite anymore I still think he's neat.
versed quiver
if only there was a Versus mode like in L4D and u could be a Boomer but a nurgle one
crisp heath
if only there was a Versus mode like in L4D and u could be a Boomer but a nurgle...
UNIRONICALLY THIS IS WHAT I'VE BEEN MISSING
brittle slate
(i don't care this is a general chat channel at this point)
crisp heath
playing as a Hunter was one of my biggest pleasures in l4d
vital kernel
They didn't make a versus mode in years of Vermintide, wouldn't hold my breath for a Darktide one
versed quiver
we can dream
brittle slate
it would be amazing
crisp heath
I doubt we'll get a versus mode, but it would be fun
arctic talon
I am of the opinion outcast engineer was made from the rememnents of the versus mode
And the ratling gunner and globeadier
crisp heath
I am of the opinion outcast engineer was made from the rememnents of the versus ...
is that a leak? I honestly haven't seen any leaks yet
brittle slate
honestly i just hope they do different teams
arctic talon
is that a leak? I honestly haven't seen any leaks yet
No I’m talking about vermintide
brittle slate
like, do an Eldar team, Tau team, Dark Eldar team and so on
arctic talon
We saw some footage of versus mode years ago
versed quiver
im OUTTA there
arctic talon
It got scrapped
crisp heath
oh, I only played it a few times in the last year. I know very little about VT
crisp heath
like, do an Eldar team, Tau team, Dark Eldar team and so on
That's really hard to implement in games, honestly, and I think it would lead to even longer match times.
crisp heath
I'm okay with Inquistors having Xenos assets, but that's mostly resigned to Eldar and Tau.
brittle slate
and as much as I like DT i'm going to get tired of constant imperium when there's a bigger universe
brittle slate
i don't think tau have ever worked with inquisitors that were still imperial
crisp heath
But they already said a hard no to Orks and Deldar so it probs won't happen
plush mason
also, it's a maleus inquisitor, so hard no on xenos...
Grendyl is hereticus btw. the rejects' mission dialog mentions that
versed quiver
"Dont worry men, those bright silver and grey space marines are here to save the day. and look, theyre coming this way!"
brittle slate
Grendyl is hereticus btw. the rejects' mission dialog mentions that
My bad. Then Kroot could happen
plush mason
ye
brittle slate
Especially if genestealers show up
versed quiver
whens Bardins great great great great great great grandson coming in as a Squat
crisp heath
Ok, serious question: I hate the ideology of the puritans. So why the hell are they always so cool?
Puritan Inquistors are always cool as fuck
plush mason
i mean, i hate literally everything that the imperium is and i still love the guard
versed quiver
same'
crisp heath
Yeah but that's just because the Guard are cool as shit
crisp heath
Guard are the embodiment of "I'm not going to win this fight, but you'll feel me in the morning"
versed quiver
and my brother the next day
crisp heath
Guard are more macho than anyone else in the Imperium
versed quiver
and his brother the day after
then our 8 cousins next week
I wonder what Creed is up to
doya think Trazyn gives him entertainment, like rly old sitcoms he found somewhere
Dark Age of Technology Seinfeld
versed quiver
sad
sleek atlas
hello. i've been binge watching warhammer lore on youtube lately and loving every bit of it. I was wondering there are other media sites for the animation from the warhammer+ sub? would want to watch those
or are they really just exclusive to wh+
versed quiver
oh wh+ tries to hold onto them with an Iron Fist
sleek atlas
oh okay
sleek atlas
i just wanna watch the animations though
not sure if subbing just for that would be worth it
brittle slate
not sure if subbing just for that would be worth it
It’s not.
versed quiver
only a couple of them are good
sleek atlas
thought so. thanks
oh okay. which ones specifically? i'll guess i'll look for other "means" to watch or download them
versed quiver
The Exodite is a pretty neat one
cant remember the names of the others
some are 3d animated others are 2d and look
ohoooo, not great animation wise
but i enjoyed them all at least mildly, lore wise
sleek atlas
thanks!
versed quiver
also if u havent yet, The Astartes short animations on youtube are awesome
sleek atlas
i've seen the astartes one. been replaying that. also the 8k upscale is awesome if you guys haven't seen it
versed quiver
so goood
versed quiver
yesss
versed quiver
so hype
sleek atlas
like i just got into warhammer last week because of darktide
and i've been into the lore since
lol
brittle slate
to be young again
sleek atlas
hopefully the amazon warhammer by henry cavill is good
versed quiver
(if u ignore all the Dune... inspirations)
rustic spruce
i know plague marines don't really care about pain, but does having giant sections of their armor with exposed flesh hinder them at all in combat
brittle slate
(2000AD, Starship Troopers, Conan)
sleek atlas
i bought like other warhammer games on steam because of this
currently playing inquisitor martyr
brittle slate
i know plague marines don't really care about pain, but does having giant sectio...
nope
sleek atlas
then dawn of war 1 soulstorm with unification mod
versed quiver
they got layers and layers of flab and fungus and kevlar pus
hushed kayak
i bought like other warhammer games on steam because of this
My man, hopefully space marine 2 will be amazing.
sleek atlas
i'm holding off darktide for now
also got space marine 1 too!
just started it as well.
but i've been playing inquisitor martyr and it's awesome
brittle slate
My man, hopefully space marine 2 will be amazing.
i think the twist will be eldar
sleek atlas
since i'm a fan of arpg games
hushed kayak
i think the twist will be eldar
you think so?
sleek atlas
i watched and read about the eldar lore
hushed kayak
i wouldn’t be surprised
brittle slate
i wouldn’t be surprised
yeah but it's been done
sleek atlas
they f'd up with their uncontrollable emotions
they have like god of rape or something like damn
hushed kayak
they have like god of rape or something like damn
you mean slaneesh?
brittle slate
they have like god of rape or something like damn
just keep reading or researching
sleek atlas
because of that they gave birth to slaneesh, i think because of their emotions
which twisted the warp
brittle slate
i wouldn’t be surprised
it would be more exciting if the eldar are manipulating the tyranids into the region
hushed kayak
it would be more exciting if the eldar are manipulating the tyranids into the re...
seeing how it’s been done before from them, i’d be eh.
brittle slate
better than chaos... again
hushed kayak
but it would be a cool thing to happen
either way, original traitor legions appearance would be sick
brittle slate
it just runs the risk of becoming tropey
hushed kayak
maybe necrons could finally have a proper appearance in here
versed quiver
gauuuuussssss
hushed kayak
but knowing the setting could be unlikely
versed quiver
Finding Creed DLC
brittle slate
maybe necrons could finally have a proper appearance in here
oh that's true
forgot about them
necrons are more popular then eldar too
hushed kayak
Finding Creed DLC
he’s uh captured atm
brittle slate
I'd be more interested in getting Aun'shi back
versed quiver
fists only
brittle slate
but, wrong game.
versed quiver
is that the tau fella with the double sword
brittle slate
versed quiver
yesss
brittle slate
spear
versed quiver
i had his model years ago
still do somewhere
DOUBLE spear
metal model too
thems were the days
hushed kayak
call me a wimp but justice for TALDEER
versed quiver
the DOW characters are all so cool
brittle slate
metal model too
there are now people who have advanced a lot of tau miniatures and, frankly, they're better than anything GW has come up with in a while
brittle slate
call me a wimp but justice for **TALDEER**
love taldeer
brittle slate
brittle slate
call me a wimp but justice for **TALDEER**
i feel bad for eldar
been around the longest and have about as much lore as newcrons
hushed kayak
i feel bad for eldar
i know she’s alive but, man they can’t catch a break
brittle slate
it's odd how new storylines just haven't got good footing at all
like; Guilliman dying and being possessed by the emperor is cool in the same way this was cool:
versed quiver
always thought eldar were neat especially their specialised units
striking scorpions
mmf
versed quiver
u had to remind of that
brittle slate
Like "wooow so awesome" but then you think about it and it's quickly: Wait... what's the point anymore
versed quiver
wait girlyman got possesed?
arctic talon
there are now people who have advanced a lot of tau miniatures and, frankly, the...
God I want new tau minis so bad
brittle slate
by the emperor. yep
versed quiver
ive been outta the lore loop for a bit
arctic talon
Their asthetic is so good
versed quiver
wowow
arctic talon
Yeah
Poyper’s stuff is great
But I want to see what GW does as wel tbh
After the partial eldar refresh
versed quiver
damn imagine being the emperor and getting to stretch your legs for the first time in 342895234 years
arctic talon
I wana see new fire warriors
versed quiver
thatd feel Great
arctic talon
And stuff
hushed kayak
thatd feel Great
compare to the constant pain, definitely lmao
versed quiver
damn
arctic talon
Ooooh
vital kernel
looks like the greater god range, don't remember, Station Forge?
brittle slate
versed quiver
i still have a 3D printed Big Mek with Shokk Attack Gun I got off AliExpress yeeears ago, even then it was just as good as GW
hushed kayak
i’ve never seen those models before
versed quiver
their armour rly is rad
hushed kayak
where are they from?
brittle slate
looks like the greater god range, don't remember, Station Forge?
PoyperMakes
hushed kayak
ohh
brittle slate
versed quiver
altho I do preffer the old Stealth Suit models to the chonkers
brittle slate
She's one of the best miniature makers out there
hushed kayak
She's one of the best miniature makers out there
does she have anything for my Serpent, and Night boys 
brittle slate
altho I do preffer the old Stealth Suit models to the chonkers
she's redoing her stealth suits
the middle one is the new body
versed quiver
oooooooooh
brittle slate
the one on the right is old
brittle slate
lol
versed quiver
reminds me of GITs a bit
arctic talon
altho I do preffer the old Stealth Suit models to the chonkers
I like the chonkers tbh
vital kernel
she's redoing her stealth suits
Tau are relatively condusive to 3D printing because of their angular and geometric aesthetics.
brittle slate
there's plenty of space marine 3d printers
arctic talon
there's plenty of space marine 3d printers
A lot of them aren’t great imo
It’s usually the arms and legs that are good
The Shoulder pads are usually kinda rough
brittle slate
True
arctic talon
Same with helmets
hushed kayak
i’ve seen some crazy helmet, and shoulder conversions before.
arctic talon
Yeah but those prints usually are rough
You only see the successful ones
But by god printing marine helmets was one of the worst decisions I’ve made
hushed kayak
it’s weird how GW molding for space marines are god damn amazing compared to some printers
arctic talon
Nah
GW has had years
To get this good at it lol
I’d be disappointed if GW’s new models aren’t as good or better
hushed kayak
and it’s all plastic lmao which is insane
arctic talon
Especially if they’re supposed to be fancy
hushed kayak
Forgeworld on the other hand is different level. It’s even resin so that’s something
brittle slate
Puppet wars is amazing.
brittle slate
The detail is insane.
brittle slate
It does
arctic talon
But if there was a way to get the detail of resin
brittle slate
And they refuse to change it
arctic talon
With the durability of plastic
brittle slate
You can
arctic talon
That would be great
hushed kayak
but even then, that’s some crazy detail for them
brittle slate
Ah
vital kernel
Forgeworld on the other hand is different level. It’s even resin so that’s somet...
Gotta say, my forge world resin models usually had somewhat worse detail than my prints.
sinful crater
when you have a monopole why work hard?
hushed kayak
Gotta say, my forge world resin models usually had somewhat worse detail than my...
weird my headhunters and Alpharius model came out pretty good. Tho i bought it from my local shop
arctic talon
Honestly imo it depends their newer stuff doesn’t have that issue
arctic talon
weird my headhunters and Alpharius model came out pretty good. Tho i bought it f...
They’re new
Their older molds def have issues
Like big ones lol
hushed kayak
oh shit
hushed kayak
i’m sorry @vital kernel 
vital kernel
there's plenty of space marine 3d printers
There are, but they often look somewhat off. In my opinion. Few Admech, but I am considering printing some.
arctic talon
There are, but they often look somewhat off. In my opinion. Few Admech, but I am...
I don’t like those robots
But I like the tech priest
They’re way too ornate
sinful crater
why this castellan have broom on them head? joke
arctic talon
For legio cybernetica stuff
vital kernel
weird my headhunters and Alpharius model came out pretty good. Tho i bought it f...
Happy to hear it.
arctic talon
https://tenor.com/view/kitty-cat-crying-sad-reaction-gif-26025507
What did you get that was so horrible
Btw
brittle slate
arctic talon
Bcs I had some Blood Angel terminators for HH that were pretty terrible
hushed kayak
damn that’s tough
vital kernel
What did you get that was so horrible
Some Horus Heresy weapons packs and upgrade sprues.
Some of the helmets were pretty shoddily molded, weapons being slightly warped, plasma coils being irregular etc. Minor stuff, but stuff my prints rarely ever suffer from, and if they do I simply print another batch
sinful crater
it's kinda concerning to see forgeworld still make subpar mini, when 3d printing did become soo good in terms of quality, you will not tell me they can even get some nice machine for make the mini?
hushed kayak
this is actually making me sad now
brittle slate
they basically just do the same thing over and over with diminishing returns
arctic talon
Some Horus Heresy weapons packs and upgrade sprues.
Some of the helmets were pre...
Yeah that sounds about right tbh
brittle slate
i know someone who bought a manta and the right wing was deformed and bubbles everywhere.
arctic talon
I heard some really bad things about the weapons packs
brittle slate
they gave him a refund. so he made a crashed manta
brittle slate
2k for a model. shameful.
arctic talon
In terms of deformations and bubbles
I’d never consider buying forgeworld for anything bigger then a land raider
hushed kayak
you mean the titans?
arctic talon
they lost their entire lead department
Yeah and also their lead writer dying was really rough
vital kernel
You can tell on the promo pics of the Adept Tit weapon packs that they look sorta warped and poorly detailed in comparison to the basic plastics of the range.
arctic talon
Rip Alex Bligh
sinful crater
me i don't purchase i let other do and enjoy the result of them work, because i know i can't do as good than them ^^
brittle slate
Yeah and also their lead writer dying was really rough
one of the best creatives at any company ever
arctic talon
You can tell on the promo pics of the Adept Tit weapon packs that they look sort...
Ironicially the direwolf scout titan is a really good mold
So I have no fucking clue why the Adeptus titanicus weapon upgrades are so bad
vital kernel
2k for a model. shameful.
Honestly, if GW has any sense they would turn Forgeworld into a design studio akin to the popular current 3D designers and just sell STL files of their range.
I bet you if FW offered a 15 dollar subscription and actually had monthly releases, they would rake in more money than they currently do.
but knowing GW, their subscription model would be 50 dollar for irregular releases
arctic talon
Agreed
vital kernel
like fucking Warhammer+. they should release that content as franchise promo for free and count themself lucky if people bother watchingt
sinful crater
Honestly, if GW has any sense they would turn Forgeworld into a design studio ak...
the trouble is GW is an old company they barely follow the evolution of the technology
arctic talon
Eh
They’ve adapted faster then a lot of other companies
In their industry
Which is hilarious to me
sinful crater
and they still fail to use the 3d printing scene at them advantage... instead to forbidde it i will have make a place where you can purchase the STL files and rack tons of cash, while reducing the production cost to print mini myself
arctic talon
They don’t forbid 3d printed bits aside from at warhammer world
Which is warhammer world lul
raven prawn
Can you get rid of 3d print lines by sandblasting it? 
arctic talon
Why would you
Paint usually covers it
Unless you’re using really really thin coats
But yeah you could
If you wanted to
vital kernel
Can you get rid of 3d print lines by sandblasting it? <:staregryn:10220850838443...
Resin printers have virtually no print lines anymore. You print at 0.02mm layers
raven prawn
My ex told me that there's inspectors that ban 3d printed models
arctic talon
At warhammer world lol
But no one gives a shit at tournaments
Or GW stores
Or game stores
raven prawn
The concept of it is hilarious
arctic talon
So long as you don’t yell out you 3d printed your minis
No store manager is gona give you crap over it
At an official GW store
sinful crater
it don't change the point that they did miss the opportunity to create a place to purchase STL, no?
arctic talon
Not saying it doesn’t
raven prawn
So long as you don’t yell out you 3d printed your minis
What if they are completely different models?
arctic talon
I’m gona be honest here
I’ve used an entirely 3d printed warband in Warcry
For the past 2 years at my local GW
The manager doesn’t give a crap lol
raven prawn
Aight then 
raven prawn
Finally have a reason to start table top
arctic talon
Other then that they share very few visual similarities
vital kernel
It depends on your local community I suppose. People around here are so starved for competition they would play against me even if I proxied a bunch of empty redbull cans as imperial knights
arctic talon
Lol
raven prawn
I've heard stories here they take their Warhammering very seriously 
The more potent the smell
The more formidable the opponent
arctic talon
The more potent the smell
vital kernel
I like these admech sculpts because they lean into the romanesque, which works well for an Ultramar aligned Forgeworld
rose thorn
Oh yeah I forgot we are allowed to talk about third party stuff here!
vital kernel
It's not a GW discord so I don't see why not
arctic talon
I don’t think there’s any official GW discord lul
rose thorn
There is and it’s a flip of a coin with them lmao
brittle slate
I don’t think there’s any official GW discord lul
I don't think they've discovered discord
they only found facebook a couple years ago
arctic talon
There is and it’s a flip of a coin with them lmao
What’s it called lmao
hexed shard
how was the emperor explained way back in the day when 40k was just fantasy in the future?
celest dome
40k never was just "fantasy" but in the future
40k is supposed to be Our timeline but in the future
plush mason
but back in the day the emperor was just that, an emperor not the god he is in the current lore
one of the early space marine stories was of him just walking into the lab where his scientists where working on the space marine project and talking with the lead researcher
said story is actually where we get the info about the organs that are added to the space marines as well
upbeat dagger
celest dome
Basically a Power Hammer, but with a less stable Power Field
Made to erupt all the energy at the hit time
sinful crater
ermmm not really
plush mason
yeah its not that the field is less stable its just made to do that
sinful crater
thunder hammer charge energy and when you hit release all at the impact unleashing a blast... no field involved
plush mason
it is still technically a power field but its a stored one not an active one
celest dome
This large warhammer incorporates an energy field emitter within its head that activates only when the hammer strikes its target
sinful crater
ok ok mea culpa, but in the end power hammer =/= thunder hammer
and technically the thunder hammer do explosion when it hit
due to the massive energy release
plush mason
celest dome
Still close enough to say that it's a Power hammer, but the field isn't active at all time
In theory you could do Thunder variant of any weapon
sinful crater
that the difference between power hammer, the crusher and the power maul are technically a good version (maybe the aoe too big ingame) but thunder hammer don't release a disrupting energy it release a blast of energy stored that make a sound similar to thunder (that where come the name from)
and why ingame we have a rebound when we use it.
sadly, ingame, all this energy are.... only hitting the target, when physical law don't work like this.
plush mason
it is still an energy field
sinful crater
the crusher and paul release an aoe around the target hit that disrupt them, in this sense is good. (by the way, it only work if you hit an alive target, if the target is dead, you will loose the charge and not do the aoe)
the trouble is in the game the aoe is really really really too big
i have seen myself disable a whole horde with paul
plush mason
real world physics dont exist in 40k
sinful crater
real world physics dont exist in 40k
you can't use some real world physic and ignore some simply for balance (because why the thunder hammer don't have an aoe is a balance thing of FS)
plush mason
i mean. the power weapons dont even have normal energy fields. they have "matter disruption fields" that literally break the electromagnetic bonds of molecules
sinful crater
you seems to miss my point, what i'm a bit angry about is the fact that the thunder hammer special ingame don't have an aoe around the target hit.
celest dome
Power weapon not being active all the time is loreful if they aren't used by SM
plush mason
you can't use some real world physic and ignore some simply for balance (because...
that is literally how works of fiction work. the only elements of the real world that exist in it are what ever the fuck the makers want
sinful crater
i'm ok with the fact that the power weapon are not always active.
celest dome
As long as the Thunder hammer stop at its max mass or Max cleave i'll already be very happy
sinful crater
As long as the Thunder hammer stop at its max mass or Max cleave i'll already be...
that the whole trouble, if you activate the special of the thunder hammer, your attack will stop at the first target hit, you will get a rebound
celest dome
Nope, pratically any weapon that the SM uses is adapted from normal human pattern
Bolter exist in human pattern
plush mason
yeah the bolter started as a weapon for the thunder warriors
sinful crater
Upon impact, the thunder hammer's blue energy field explodes with a thunderous crack, more often than not smashing through armour, and leaving a smoking hole that crackles with blue sparks
plush mason
the human sized ones came way after afaik
sinful crater
you really think an energy field that explodes (you was right for the field) will not have an aoe effect?
plush mason
so its a shaped charge warhead on a stick sounds like
sinful crater
that what a thunder hammer is
plush mason
so all the energy of the blast is directed forwards and there for not going to do a lot of aoe damage
sinful crater
we have said not the mums please ^^
sinful crater
so all the energy of the blast is directed forwards and there for not going to d...
you really think they will have a develop a weapon like this?
well i will ask him next time i see him haha
at this point we are trying to justify a debatable balance choice for a weapon that normally our character will not be able to use without loose his arm
with the mount?
full bane
yeah the bolter started as a weapon for the thunder warriors
Lore is pretty inconsistent on this tbf, some novels say the Emperor invented the Bolter, others have human civs that they fight against in the great crusade using STC bolters on unaugmented troops. And these days we also have the Leagues with bolter variants predating the age of strife.
plush mason
you really think they will have a develop a weapon like this?
that passage you posted says they have. a shaped charge warhead does next to no "aoe" because all its force is directed forward into the armor it is used against. not every explosion is a radius blast my friend
celest dome
It's not exclusive to krieg or anything
plush mason
"the lore is inconsistent" is a sadly common fact with 40k
full bane
That's more "lore is pretty stupid" than inconsistent.
plush mason
but that is what happens when you have some 30+ years of it and many different authors in charge of it
sinful crater
that passage you posted says they have. a shaped charge warhead does next to no ...
where the hell do you see a shaped charge warhead anywhere?
plush mason
Upon impact, the thunder hammer's blue energy field explodes with a thunderous c...
this makes the thunder hammer seem like a "shaped charge warhead on a stick"
celest dome
but that is what happens when you have some 30+ years of it and many different a...
I mean, you also have the fact that the Emperor claims a mot of things before, some more dubious than other
sinful crater
no directional control or anything, you can even read below that some did autodestruct because the energy release can be too strong
celest dome
Him lying and saying he invented the Bolter is quite on brand with his full lore
plush mason
a thunder hammer simply make his field explode on impact
but an explosion is only effective against armor if most of it's force is directed on one small point
sinful crater
well sad truth brother take some pop corn
sinful crater
but an explosion is only effective against armor if most of it's force is direct...
and here you are bringing real world physics for explain something that only say a field explode
plush mason
fair point
celest dome
It's likely that the explosion is due to the energy being transmitted to the matter
plush mason
ofc
sinful crater
probably, but in the end explosion is...well with an aoe, even if it's super localized but still... honestly at this point TH is only a meme weapon
plush mason
It's likely that the explosion is due to the energy being transmitted to the mat...
all an explosion is is an instantaneous release of stored energy
celest dome
all an explosion is is an instantaneous release of stored energy
yes, but you can have internal explosions or external ones
plush mason
ye
celest dome
Like either the explosion is on the hammer, and should do AoE
sinful crater
and it validate what i always say.... if balance kill the identity of a weapon don't bring it
celest dome
Or it's inside the target, and should mostly shred the target
plush mason
its 40k so both could be possible
celest dome
Aye, pattern dependent and stuff
sinful crater
if it's the latter, everything outside boss will die instantly
sinful crater
true enough
the trouble is...with the arrival of the crusher, they have no reason to not put a small aoe on the special of the TH
plush mason
they kinda do as they want it to be the elite killer
sinful crater
yeah... i means if you have a good vet, you don't kill a lot of elite
plush mason
and afaik it has a lot more AP than the crusher
celest dome
The Thunder hammer isn't weak, but buffing and fixing the special attack wouldn't make it inherently stronger than all the other weapon
sinful crater
yeah, when i say an aoe, is more a crow control, like a shockwave that will bump people around the target...
for make up for the rebound
plush mason
that is the crusher's role
imo what they need to do is tone down the rebound and up the single target damage for the special
celest dome
I don't even need/want the explosion, i just want the cleave on small units (And exploding on either the last enemy hit, or on max cleave/mass)
plush mason
then wtf will the crusher do?
sinful crater
crusher activation is faster, the aoe will still be bigger and have no rebound
anyway, we can debate all we want, if FS don't want to do something it will not happend
plush mason
true
sinful crater
like the fact that the plasma can't hit the bulwark hidden behind his shield when you can kill enemy throught cement wall or throught door
plush mason
overcharged shots can
plush mason
wtf did they nerf that too?
plush mason
sad
sinful crater
and don't even start me about the dps of the plasma
honestly my team keep me as plasma only because i can kill ranged throught cover
outside this? horde can't do shit.... boss? my damage is shitty compared to the lucius and some other weapon
fierce pendant
Question, are there other Imperial worlds with more than one hive city. Or is Tertium the only one.
Wether mentioned in lore/books etc.
sinful crater
armaggedon had multiple no?
fierce pendant
On one planet?
sinful crater
on armageddon prime 3 hive, volcanus, tempestora, death mire
on secundus you have 5: helsreach, infernus, hades, acheron and tartarus
fierce pendant
Aight cheers
sinful crater
i was not sure, i had to check, but i was remembering that while the battle of helsreach some troop was send to another hive
full bane
Question, are there other Imperial worlds with more than one hive city. Or is Te...
Most hive worlds have multiple
If I recall correctly Terra is notable for being a planet with a single hive, albeit one which covers most of the planet.
Single hives are less common overall I believe, normally if there is a hive on a world they ended up building more at some point.
celest dome
There must be a lot of World that have only 1 Hive
Vrak i think was one like that
fierce pendant
With how often they mention it in game I thought it was unusual for an Imperial world to have two hive cities. Welp
full bane
There must be a lot of World that have only 1 Hive
Vrak i think was one like tha...
Vraks was an armoury world rather than a Hive I believe.
Some of the smallest Hive Worlds, like Landunder, have around 8 hives. Though only one is comparable in size to an "average" hive world.
plush mason
With how often they mention it in game I thought it was unusual for an Imperial ...
its that Tertium is unique for the fact it is 2 hives fused togeather
that is why it has 2 spires where as a normal hive city only has one
celest dome
We have known hives with that
But it's not 2 hives
Hives Cities are composed Cluster of Hives
Which usually have a Central and predominant Spire
But Necromunda for example has one Hive that has 3 Spires
plush mason
so how rare is it for a psyker to be able to see the future?
celest dome
Depend
Like visions like Batman Primarch is quite rare
But Psyker can sometime see glimpses of the future and other time see clearly what is going to happen, in 5 sec or so
plush mason
k
mystic geyser
Divination is one of the 5 core psychic disciplines
simple sparrow
What’s the official lore behind the zealot class? Are they just soldiers that are in love with the emperor?
dusk patrol
They’re just fanatics
Zealots
Sometimes warriors sometimes just religious people
These ones we play are a special breed of uh
Obsessed
simple sparrow
I mean my zealot has that militant religious order background from the shrine world so I guess it makes sense
crisp heath
Nyanners let slip on her latest upload that she's a lore-only. She could be any one of us.
celest dome
Who da heck is Nyanners
crisp heath
She was one of the first big youtubers, she's doing the Vtuber thing these days
celest dome
Didn't know
barren tapir
Who?
north lotus
Obsessed
The kind of obsessed that purchases bath water in our millennia…or uses car bombs
plush mason
yes
ngl i bet selling rip off "saintly artifacts" is a very profitable con in the imperium
just like it was in medieval Europe
barren tapir
Ironic that you mention so, since in game there are quite few quotes about the zealots being fooled by the valkyrie pilot
arctic talon
ngl i bet selling rip off "saintly artifacts" is a very profitable con in the im...
There’s a necromunda mini who is an artifact seller who’s missing a leg and is selling a leg bone lol
plush mason
LOL
arctic talon
plush mason
Ironic that you mention so, since in game there are quite few quotes about the z...
as many zealots as i end up running with you think i would have heard that one by now. all i get is the vet complaining that she cheats at cards lol
vital kernel
that is one chunky bolter
arctic talon
as many zealots as i end up running with you think i would have heard that one b...
it only happens with the Agitator and Fanatic
Judge has one where they say the pilot is faithful but they don't get scammed lol
plush mason
lol
arctic talon
but all 3 zealots think the Pilot is very faithful lol
plush mason
yeah i noticed
and then the psykers are just like "she sus but i like her"
save the seer which seems to be afraid to read her thoughts
"no beloved, i wont read her thoughts. ill get in trouble"
tho i find myself wishing her gunner would speak tho that may just be some rando she grabbed from the hanger before the mission started
north lotus
"no beloved, i wont read her thoughts. ill get in trouble"
in the seer's defense, it was probably a joke by the emperor
plush mason
maybe
the male one does say "ill get in trouble" with a very sarcastic sounding tone so it likely was a joke/sarcastic remark
crisp heath
Could also just be that psykers are very carefully watched by the imperium so he actually would get in trouble reading anyone's mind
plush mason
and then there are other lines that have them just casually reading minds
crisp heath
#JustPsykerThings
plush mason
like the seer when he needs to reload a gun asks "how do i reload this, got it thank you" before anyone can answer so i have always taken that was ether he just read the answer from a teammate's mind or the beloved told him
storm jungle
Every time I tell myself my 40k character/OC is too goofy design-wise I remember that coat-guy in the middle exists 
plush mason
wtf is that face he is making?
earnest snow
Man is stylin' on them peasants
storm jungle
Hes sellin', question is are ye boyin'
crisp heath
Remember, the one person who got at Ciaphas Cain without Jurgen and nearly killed him and a lord general, was a drag queen in a gas mask driving a porsche through a wall
storm jungle
Yeah its more that like
visually speaking 40k can be super contrasting
the moment you do something that isnt Imperial as a human character people will judge you
aka "has to be gothic and nothing else"
which is very untrue, but GW doesnt do a good job of showing it unless its miniatures
plush mason
Remember, the one person who got at Ciaphas Cain without Jurgen and nearly kille...
that literally sounds like a scene from some b rated crime thriller lmao
crisp heath
I was complaining about this in the memes channel. I'd like more color, more happy people. You can still make it grimdark when that planet full of happy people in cute clothes gets noticed by a hive fleet.
storm jungle
Yeah like Necromunda has literaly aztec-amazonian women with wild hair colors
Meanwhile people see Van Saar and throw a shitfit
crisp heath
Necromunda is a planet full of your dad's idea of a punk
plush mason
Yeah like Necromunda has literaly aztec-amazonian women with wild hair colors
aztec-amazonian-lesbo-goth-punkrockers
storm jungle
More correct thank you
crisp heath
Ok, hear me out: Orks are Amazons
They're all the same gender, but not male, they are a warrior society and they rely on attacking outsiders to reproduce
Orks are Amazons. Thank you.
plush mason
i mean. the whole myth of the Amazons was invented by the greeks to explain away the fact they got their shit pushed in by a bunch of women warrior when they tried to colonize the black sea regions
arctic talon
Yeah and orks are a myth made up by the imperial government
plush mason
lmao
arctic talon
Do you really think giant sentient mushroom men
Can kill a marine
It’s imperial propaganda
I’m telling you they’re hiding something
crisp heath
Guardsman, you haven't been reading the Primer. Orks only appear large, their muscles are far less dense than ours. They're basically made of styrofoam. Please report to the Commissar immediately.
crisp heath
i mean. the whole myth of the Amazons was invented by the greeks to explain away...
It's honestly a little more complicated than that. There is evidence of a cult that probably existed in the neolithic, with offshoots that survived into the early medieval period, that was a males-only society of warriors that lived in isolated locations for years at a time and only returned to society to do, well, bad things to women. In Greek, they were called Koryos, and in Norse they were Berserkers, and a whole field of study has been devoted to the German Mannerbund.
In Sparta, possibly in Britain, and definitely in Scandinavia we see the same pattern: all male, live alone in the wilderness, worship a war god, and are really good at killing people. Amazons are probably a romanticized, kind of sexual equivalent to this warrior cult that ended up branching off into different sects and spreading throughout Europe.
dusk patrol
Most of Greek mythology reads like someone being horny and making up some smutty fanfic anyways
An island of strong women is pretty in line with that
plush mason
It's honestly a little more complicated than that. There is evidence of a cult t...
no it literally is due to the tribes of the black sea training their women to hunt and ride like their men and also allowing them to fight as archers and calvary and so for the male dominated Greeks the idea of women being able to match and surpass them in combat was both shocking and potentially disastrous for their culture so they had to come up with outlandish reasons why these women where so skilled
Greeks at this time viewed women as non humans
they where a culture of incels basically
and even to this day elements of those old views still plague modern Greece afaik
crisp heath
I mean most (at least educated) Greeks didn't believe Amazons actually existed, but they did sometimes use the term to refer to warrior-women who did exist
It was basically their equivalent of genderbent porn
But I might be stepping out of my lane, I mostly study Scandinavia, Rome, and China
"Hey guys, I know you came here for 40k but what about going outside lore?"
plush mason
I mean most (at least educated) Greeks didn't believe Amazons actually existed, ...
that is due to the passing of time mostly
crisp heath
I guess it's in the past and we can't say anything for certain, but since they never played a role in Greek religion and they are almost identical to Spartan warriors except female I'm going to prefer the interpretation that they were basically a kind of male fantasy about a strong woman
Amazons are the epitome of "step on me mommy"
crisp heath
Meanwhile people see Van Saar and throw a shitfit
I mean its fine if you like van saar and I get the aesthetic they were going for but I preferred the style of the metal minis even if the new ones have better sculpts, same goes arbites being dredd ripoffs instead of enforcers kinda generic space cop look, I get they're supposed to be different things in that case too but stillll
By the time Rome was in it's late kingdom stage, for example, no one believed in Centaurs, and there are multiple writings that mock the few people that still did
But we can clearly see where the idea of a Centaur came from by looking at what was actually happening in the Mediterrenean at that time
Namely, the rise of cavalry
plush mason
they really do look like generic space cops dont they lmao
crisp heath
What unit is that supposed to be? I haven't seen it before
undone zodiac
Imperial navy army would be cool
dusk patrol
undone zodiac
But bit bloated addition
dusk patrol
What unit is that supposed to be? I haven't seen it before
Necromunda enforcers
Basically the super duper police for Helmwar
plush mason
are they in carapace armor?
dusk patrol
Everyone tries to avoid their ire
crisp heath
that is due to the passing of time mostly
I'm pretty sure even in the time pagan stuff was widely believed that stories were taken more as parables than something literal, the scythians weren't even female dominated, though I wouldn't be surprised if the myths were meant to denigrate having women in those positions considering they're usually villainous and at best, a worthy opponent for a stronger male hero
Ah. They don't scream "space cop" to me but that might be because I'm more familiar with the Arbites "robocop" aesthetic
plush mason
I'm pretty sure even in the time pagan stuff was widely believed that stories we...
yes that was literally the point of those myths, that and to keep greek women from thinking they could be like that
vital kernel
are they in carapace armor?
those look really nice. Arbites are amazing
dusk patrol
That feels like a big jump
plush mason
this is all bronze age greek colonization era shit
plush mason
fair
dusk patrol
A lot of this stuff is conjecture for obvious reasons
plush mason
yeah
crisp heath
I'm pretty sure even in the time pagan stuff was widely believed that stories we...
Oh no pagans didn't take things literally, Sallustius has an essay called "on the Gods and the cosmos" that explains how the upper classes interpreted myths because he was really upset some uneducated people thought it was literal, and Rome literally had their second king, Numa, lay down all the religious rules and he was like "hey, if you take this too seriously, that's as bad as not thinking about it at all"
dusk patrol
Technically we don’t even know if people like Socrates existed
crisp heath
And you know, Numa was probably actually a few kings rolled into one but all of them would have lived around the 7th century BCE
So around the 7th century, before the birth of christ, the idea of "myth is a metaphor that leads to spiritual enlightment" was already an idea, at least among educated people
fallen marsh
I mean its fine if you like van saar and I get the aesthetic they were going for...
They did great job with Goliath, Escher and Orlock and after that something went wrong. Cawdor went to much into trashy look, Van Sarr is straight out of Infinity and Delaque is just wtf is that.
plush mason
So around the 7th century, before the birth of christ, the idea of "myth is a me...
which ofc was a very small minority at the time. and for most of human history in fact
crisp heath
I mean it was multiple people in all likelihood, but he was elected, and early Roman elections weren't limited to the upper classes, everyone except slaves could vote and all of them agreed to elect this guy (or rather several people) mainly for his religious opinions
which suggests this was a really common belief
plush mason
or these people where just really good liers
crisp heath
Now I will say slaves at this time were obviously abused, and obviously made up a huge part of the population (I think scholars are kind of scared to put a number on them at this time?), but the lowest free-born man and the highest noble were equal when it was time to choose a king
Because they basically adapted to the Greek model
crisp heath
They did great job with Goliath, Escher and Orlock and after that something went...
yeah they went from overly edgy cool matrix dudes to like, I dunno, dorky dark stalkers, which is kind of funny I guess
plush mason
wtf
plush mason
mofos look like some world of darkness vampire clan
crisp heath
I think the fact that orlock, goliath, and escher are non-controversial in terms of design shows that it has less to do with fan obsession over things looking gothic and more just the other new ganger necromunda designs being sorta meh
fallen marsh
Current GW has issue with going full into one characteristic.
So techy guys are super techy
plush mason
also. wtf abomination is the guy on the bottom left holding?
fallen marsh
Cawdor went bit too much into junk and trash collectors
vital kernel
No joke, the Necromunda range is genuinely dapper. Only a shame that so many big main factions get completely ignored while what is basically gangsters get full ranges set up.
fallen marsh
Its sad how they completely ignored Enforcers after initial release. I doubt they will get any vehicle.
But guild are cool idea
Water guild has very good minis
celest dome
They might get rules to get a Rhino or something
fallen marsh
Plus I would love to see merc style Arbites only for Enforcer player. Like 2, max 3 guys
plush mason
isnt one of the hired guns just the chick from kill bill with a 40k make over basically?
mystic geyser
@celest dome I mean the enforcer players I know just build thier own vehicles with the custom rules
celest dome
Still hoping we get a group about the Hive that is a democracy
plush mason
the most we will get is "it got nuked from orbit" most likely
Cyrine's fate shows how the imperium treats elective goverments
celest dome
Thr Hive still stand
plush mason
for now
celest dome
I mean, except Hive Primus it's the most stable one
plush mason
Cyrene was exterminatused due to them trying to vote the imperial governor out of office
so as long as this hive doesnt go that far it should be fine
barren tapir
Gothrul's Needle is not the same as cyrene
undone zodiac
I belive the imperium does not give damn often how planet is ruled
Only that tithes come
And no deviation to chaos
plush mason
I belive the imperium does not give damn often how planet is ruled
ye but an appointed planetary governor is also a must afaik
undone zodiac
Might be dependent on system too
plush mason
you can have an elective government. so long as the very top echelons of authority are out side of it
undone zodiac
Like necromunda is so close to terra that any upheval there will be met with force
plush mason
and Cyrene is out at the ass end of the imperium
barren tapir
you can have an elective government. so long as the very top echelons of authori...
Not necessarily
The only important thing is: don't defy imperial rule
undone zodiac
Otherwise skull wearing mad man will be rampaging in your house
plush mason
The only important thing is: don't defy imperial rule
which trying to get the appointed governor out of office is defying imperial rule i guess at least
barren tapir
Nope
The imperium don't care as long the new imperial commander adhere to the imperial rule
In fact the imperium is known to have left worlds in civil war for the imperial commander to be ousted and replaced
plush mason
so Cyrene was an outlier
barren tapir
And the imperium saw this as a way to get a better imperial commander, since the one from before was clearly inept
barren tapir
so Cyrene was an outlier
No, it was not an outliner for what it did
But cyrene crime wasn't only about democracy
celest dome
I mean you can have an Ambassador like Gouvernor, that just serve as the representative to trade and deliver the tithe while the rest is taken care of by more democratical means
barren tapir
And cyrene wasn't even a normal imperial world either
plush mason
blood raven home world
celest dome
As long as the Tithe is paid you're gonna be fine, unless a specific faction want to gain power and create a situation
undone zodiac
Cyrene was not properly specified what went on
barren tapir
Yeah, as long you are an unassuming world which pay its tithe all is well
undone zodiac
Chaos corruption was implied
plush mason
Chaos corruption was implied
still you would think that nuking a space marine home world would be the last thing the imperium would want to do
barren tapir
It was implied that the imperium thought it was chaos, but not really the real chaos...
Kinda like how the inquisition think that everyone that defy imperial rule is chaos corrupted
undone zodiac
still you would think that nuking a space marine home world would be the last th...
Well it was reported by space marine
So they probably took angelos word for it
barren tapir
It was the SM conducting the blood games on it that cut them short and then called the exterminatus fleet
Gabriel Angelos, from the blood ravens
undone zodiac
I dont remember this
plush mason
yeah DOW2 confirms it was him that ordered it
barren tapir
I do, as one that played DoW 2 quite a lot and only the campaign
Also reading about gabriel and cyrene from the DoW books
undone zodiac
All i gathered was that one speech impaired blood raven captain got 3 companies killed in kaurava
plush mason
yeah the dude from soulstorm
barren tapir
Boreale
plush mason
yeah
barren tapir
If you want a democratically ruled world look for tanith too
undone zodiac
Laughed my ass off
barren tapir
The thing is we then get the example of the susalid ordinators too
plush mason
All i gathered was that one speech impaired blood raven captain got 3 companies ...
also he wasnt a captain he was a "force commander" which is a temp title the blood ravens give to some members of their chapter when they need to lead a large force but dont have the rank needed
barren tapir
Like the imperium cannot be coherent
undone zodiac
just let me check 1d4chan real quick
plush mason
I remember in dow 3 comic how one marine told how rousing his speeches were
omg those speeches where aweful
fallen marsh
Relic wasn't great in storylines
plush mason
no they where not
fallen marsh
Chaos Rising was decent
plush mason
i still dont get why they chose to invent a whole new living saint for soulstorm instead of just using Celestine
undone zodiac
Relic must have been aware at this point how bad that voice was
celest dome
i still dont get why they chose to invent a whole new living saint for soulstorm...
Was it no "generic"/unnamed ones ?
plush mason
they literally just made saint Celestine but with white and black armor
in multiplayer the unit has no name
but in the campaign she is named
just cant remember it off the top of my head
fallen marsh
In multi all hero units were unnamed
plush mason
yeah
celest dome
Still, my favourite is Saint Sabbat
undone zodiac
Im not well knoeledged about sisters of battle
Never bothered to read of them too much
celest dome
Also did DoW have any named character from the wider lore ?
fallen marsh
I don't think so
celest dome
Because in that case, them not naming it Celestine would be either an obligation (Like VT2 can't "feature" any named/important character, keeping under the rug the identity of Lohner) or a design choice
vocal drum
ok serious question tho whats in the box..? https://www.youtube.com/shorts/7w1oDTnG0eQ
what does it say
celest dome
Nobody knows
vocal drum
actually???
vocal drum
so its a back up plan just incase stuff goes bad?
celest dome
Some say it's Sigmar/Solkan/Other Fantasy God...
Other that it's Malal/Malice
I have always enjoyed the Zuvassin theory
Since it match quite well with the GK and their aesthetic
It might in some way be linked with the Golden Throne
Either detonating it or overloading it...
Like sacrifiying Terra to free the Emperor and stuff
vocal drum
sheesh
rich vale
It would be pretty cool to see a god of Law in 40k
wild vortex
plush mason
Also did DoW have any named character from the wider lore ?
they name dropped a few at times but never any direct usage no
like Yarrick gets name dropped a lot in the imperial guard campaign in DOW2R cause caustor and yarrick are good friends it seems
slender orchid
Abaddon gets lines in DoW2
brittle slate
like Yarrick gets name dropped a lot in the imperial guard campaign in DOW2R cau...
Lovers.
brittle slate
Yarrick is also gay. The Dow team based caustor on Freddie mercury… so…
Doesn’t take a grandma commenting on the lifelong bachelors who roomate together to put two and two imo
arctic talon
Lol
plush mason
lmao
north lotus
I mean I hear the floor creaking right over where they sleep apparently
brittle slate
Could be the stuff of magic and internet gossip- but two BL authors have mentioned it in conversation lol
north lotus
I mean I hear the floor creaking right over where they sleep apparently
Must be that they have a washing machine in that apartment
arctic talon
Honestly I can’t ever see yarrick setteling down lol
He doesn’t seem like the type
To retire
north lotus
Besides he’s got a green whale to chase
arctic talon
Lmfao
north lotus
A green, extremely bad hygiene whale that has 4 guns on one flipper
brittle slate
And now he dead. Rip.
plush mason
thats just a rumor people made up
why do i feel that said "rumor" was do to some fanfic ship of him made at some point that some idiot took as canon lore, oh right because 4chan exists
arctic talon
Make it canon GW you cowards
brittle slate
As much as I wish he was 💀
I’ve heard McNeill and ADB both say it
I think it’s a case of a lot of people wanting it and it just fitting with people who write canon
brittle slate
Make it canon GW you cowards
They’ll have to as they go mainstream otherwise… lol… gonna have a bad day.