That sword is now a holy relic on tallarn and its called the Cainsword
#40k-lore-chat
crisp heath
urban spire
we're talking about what's a threat to a space marine
signal bramble
The psyker and veteran could do it. Psyker could hold the marine still long enough for the vet to plasma him.
Marine gone.
Plasma is devastating in lore.
crisp heath
If it came down to brute strength the ogryn has a chance during a 1 v 1
urban spire
if the veteran gets the drop with a plasma, lorewise, they win
ironically the ogryn would stand the best chance in the tighter corridors
since ogryns CAN absorb a couple hits from a space marine bolter without dying and still have enough vigor to dismember a marine
crisp heath
I think the vet is supposed to be a sniper, hence "sharpshooter". He'd honestly have a chance with a lasgun if the CSM was one of those "no helmet" types
urban spire
a long las for sure
crisp heath
Individually, any of them could do it with the right circumstances. As a team, I think they could handle a fair fight
nocturne crest
Could a grenade launcher be useful against a marine?
urban spire
sure, a bolter is basically a grenade launcher
before someone sends me to the wikipedia article for the gyrojet pistol: gyrojet ammunition does not explode, it's just a missile
bolters technically fire rocket propelled grenades
crisp heath
I would factor in chemical and biological weapons since it would probably be death guard, but being around poxwalkers doesn't really seem to make these guys sick. Built different, I guess.
urban spire
they've got some crazy shit in those medicae servitors
crisp heath
The rejects are gigavaxxed
crisp heath
they've got so many microchips up in there
That's why the ogryn is so smart
urban spire
i mean corruption is basically the disease mechanic in this game right?
crisp heath
Idk I always read corruption as... corruption
urban spire
you get corruption from gooey things
crisp heath
They aren't getting sick, they're falling to chaos, but i guess with nurgle those are really similar
urban spire
and getting downed of course
falling to nurgle usually makes you MORE durable, not less
crisp heath
Maybe they're doing so well because of the zealot. With the female character in the trailer she's basically a knock off Sororitas.
nocturne crest
Imagine if they gave Orgyns some power fists as an option.
thick dust
@frigid pumice @wintry loom
wintry loom
<@220759481896796160> <@898841009931313162>
?
thick dust
look at this size chart ogryn is maybe primaris more likley astartes size
frigid pumice
give me a measurment in feet
thick dust
no way an ogryns picking him up
wintry loom
What are you talking about I said Primarchs are 10+
Sanguinus is 13
Orgyns are 10 and below
at most 9
wintry loom
There is no way an ogryn is picking up a primarch
the entire of thought of that is heresy
thick dust
ye
frigid pumice
? it's a difference in 3 ish feet
thick dust
thought that was the debate
wintry loom
thought that was the debate
The debate was a group of ogryns picking up a primarch and tossing him
Which is hell naw
signal bramble
? it's a difference in 3 ish feet
A lone Ogryn lifted an entire chimera APC.
queen fern
Yo, when psyker says "By the Five Rusting Spires" in game what exactly is he referring to?
frigid pumice
i believe in the ogryn
mainly because the thought of a group of ogryns charging gulliman and tossing him out of a building is very funny
last lagoon
A lone Ogryn lifted an entire chimera APC.
Nork? I thought he just dragged it with him
signal bramble
Nork? I thought he just dragged it with him
Close enough imo.
If an Ogryn could do that I think he could deadlift a primarch.
signal bramble
Yo, when psyker says "By the Five Rusting Spires" in game what exactly is he ref...
Not sure what the five are that the psykers refer to so much.
It’s not a chaos thing because 5 is a holy number to the Admech.
queen fern
Maybe its all the gods, Khorne Slaanesh, Tzeench, Nurgle and the Emperor
though I doubt he'd think that of emperor
since he outright calls him Carrion Emperor, a corpse etc
loner psyker is the most heretical out of all the characters imho
Idk how he wasnt shot in the head right from the start by the inquisition lol
crisp heath
Generally considered to be a reference to Necromunda, there are other lines where the Loner implies he's been there
So it'd be the 5 spires of a hive city
silk frost
Here the voice of cat Mjauperor
queen fern
So it'd be the 5 spires of a hive city
do they have to do anything with psykers I wonder
or its just a reference and thats it
crisp heath
There's a little bit you can gather from what the Loner says about his past, including the voice select screen
Sounds like he was on the run from the Ecclesiarchy and was living somewhere in a Necromundan underhive
queen fern
aight got it
hexed flower
Daily Dose of Horus Did Nothing Wrong
brittle slate
… um.
hexed flower
Or Daily Reminder rather
brittle slate
No.
hexed flower
Yes?
brittle slate
Terrifying amounts of no.
Horus did, maybe? Everything wrong
From every perspective
hexed flower
brittle slate
🤷
queen fern
Daily Dose of Horus Did Nothing Wrong
hexed flower
Oh my lord that's a great name
queen fern
yea lmao
crisp heath
Who is the emperor?
timid ferry
He is the emperor
queen fern
a̶ ̶c̶o̶r̶p̶s̶e̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶a̶ ̶t̶h̶r̶o̶n̶e̶
btw why does he need psyker sacrifices
If hes alive he'd technically be in a coma right
so what exactly do psyker sacrifices do for him
nocturne crest
Power his throne.
queen fern
so they are just like batteries
crisp heath
So the emperor is dead?
queen fern
the warp energy inside them or smth
I mean its not truly clear
he looks something like this
timid ferry
So the emperor is dead?
Nay. He is the corpse king to which a 1000 souls are sacrificed every day so that he may never truly die
queen fern
Nay. He is the corpse king to which a 1000 souls are sacrificed every day so tha...
heresy
timid ferry
For 10,000 years he has sat grievously wounded atop the golden throne. Injured from his duel with his son, the arch traitor Horus
nocturne crest
so they are just like batteries
Imagine it more as a steam engine, but the coal is people with mind powers.
crisp heath
That's quite the cost
queen fern
btw how do you 'sanction' a psyker
so he may serve in the millitary or something
or as a navigator
anything
timid ferry
First step is power. If a psyker is too weak they get fed to the throne. If they are too strong they are outright killed as potential threats. Those that are in between and show the potential for mastery get the rubber stamp of approval, but their freedom is hitherto forfeit. With navigators it’s different. They are a stable form of mutant that is capable of seeing in the warp as well as manifesting various psychic abilities.
waxen wave
<@220759481896796160> <@898841009931313162>
Also you gotta take Vulkans height into account
queen fern
First step is power. If a psyker is too weak they get fed to the throne. If they...
alright thanks
desert dust
btw how do you 'sanction' a psyker
Find them.
Judge if they are fit for duty or killed on sight or imprisoned till a black ship can pick them up and send them to the emperor.
If they are fit for duty they are trained extensively in whatever field they are in and then used.
Navigaters are breed and have huge amounts of family wealth. Like the richest people in the galaxy are the Navigater houses.
Basically if you exist with powers your dead, chair fuel or in service to the big man or the very smelly gods.
queen fern
what a sorry state of existence
nocturne crest
Is that pretty much everywhere except T'au worlds in the 40K?
desert dust
Well it's the impreium.
Every man and woman is born into the service/a slave of the emperor from birth and if you do not your a heretic or a slave of some chaos god.
waxen wave
Well it's the impreium.
Every man and woman is born into the service/a slave of ...
Yes and no
nocturne crest
Then again, apparently there are humans mercs who work for xenos other than t'au.
desert dust
Yes and no
The inquisition strongly disagrees
urban spire
there's plenty of rogue psykers
north lotus
There’s another technique, though it’s exclusive to ar’s.
desert dust
there's plenty of rogue psykers
And how many are seen as dangerous heretics?
Your in service to big E or your seen as a battery pack.
storm jungle
You cant really tell whos even a psyker without them using their powers most of the time.
Any smart person will flee lmao
urban spire
there's also the entire eldar species
vivid turtle
who are the adepts arbites funded by
i jst only discovered like a few days ago that they also receive bolters as standard armaments like the sisters
urban spire
i don't know if that's ever really touched on
well they get locke pattern bolters, those kinda suck
vivid turtle
well still pretty pricey i imagine
urban spire
the ammunition is more expensive than the weapon
vivid turtle
yea i was gonna mention that point lol
strange that mere law enforcement get weapons of this caliber still
urban spire
yeah have you SEEN the locke pattern in game lol
desert dust
who are the adepts arbites funded by
I think the inquisition since they are not limited to a single planet and are more like law enforcement experts and can give advice or take over civil matters.
urban spire
it's like a 60 pound piece of garbage
desert dust
Like rebellion or riots might be happening you get the system arbite to come and deal with it
storm jungle
The Inquisition more or less has nothing to do with Arbites
its mostly the local planetary forces/governor that supplies their precints
vivid turtle
i see
last lagoon
I always imagined they get funding from the ministorum and are just implanted any where strategic in a sector
storm jungle
Ministorum is for religious operations/faith related stuff
Arbites hold up the Lex ımperialis
Arbites are a part of the Adeptus Terra
urban spire
arbites is super cops
urban spire
i hate that there is an adeptus ministorum and a departmento munitorum
they blend more or less seamlessly together in my mind
sharp grove
Who's the current Fabricator General of Mars? Does anyone outrank Belisarius Cawl in admech?
dusk patrol
Yeah he does
Lemme find his name
Still Kelbor-Hal depending on who you ask
You know what
Im not actually sure they name him
He’s referenced a lot in the Watchers of the Throne series
But he might not actually have a official name
dusk patrol
Who's the current Fabricator General of Mars? Does anyone outrank Belisarius Caw...
Ok it’s Oud Oudia Raskian, had to phone a friend
last lagoon
I dont know why but his names always makes me think its a reference to something
dusk patrol
It’s a reference to someone being bad at making up names
crisp heath
Who's the current Fabricator General of Mars? Does anyone outrank Belisarius Caw...
Lots of people outrank Cawl, but he is very high in the hierarchy. He's outranked by all fabricator generals and fabricator locii, and there are probably other Archmagos who are in better standing than him since he doesn't make a huge secret out of being a heretek
There's also Overseers, who aren't really mentioned much but basically are just below fabricator locii and govern vassal worlds in the name of a fabricator general
signal bramble
Who's the current Fabricator General of Mars? Does anyone outrank Belisarius Caw...
Beli wants to be fabricator general according to the Cawl inferior and keeps trying to convince gman to promote him.
crisp heath
Should be noted that both Guilliman and the admech hate the idea lmao
sharp grove
@signal bramble @crisp heath Yeah robbo went back to Cawl about it who went "What? Ah ignore what inferior said, I don't want that" but no telling whether this is just some reverse-psychology ploy from Cawl
Wow thanks all, I've never even seen Ou Oudio Raskian's name before. Just thought surely it wasn't Kelbor-Hal
I love how almost everything Cawl says about Inferior is the weakest lie. Asked about blatant AI: "mmyes just a big list of if-else statements and pre-recorded voice lines :)"
crisp heath
I mean Cawl knows it's AI, Guilliman knows it's AI, the machine knows it's AI. Guilliman isn't actually mad about it, he finds it amusing, and Cawl (original and inferior) just keeps up the act because it's something that could easily be the last straw and get him demoted or killed
It's not a real act, Cawl knows Guilliman knows, it's basically him saying "in minecraft"
sharp grove
What does in Minecraft mean?
But yeah like drinking alcohol in public as long as it's in a brown paper bag lol
crisp heath
Oh. It was a meme a while back. Basically the same gist as "for legal reasons, that was a joke"
sharp grove
Gotcha cheers
past hedge
Question about Atoma-Prime. If the Cicatrix Maledictum cut the imperium in two, which side of the cut is Atoma Prime?
crisp heath
We don't know exactly where the Moebian Domain, Atoma Prime's region of space, is. Some characters refer to Necromunda, and Cadia is a possible homeworld. That doesn't make it easier, because those two planets are on opposite sides of the rift
Some characters refer to "fringe". If this is the Eastern Fringe, which I don't think it is, that would put them on the same side of the rift as Terra, and actually really close to Ultramar.
signal bramble
I think it’s on the Terra side but that’s not based on any hard evidence.
I feel like if we were on the other side of the rift someone would have mentioned it. But the rejects mention not being sure what it is. If they were on the dark side I feel like the knowledge of it would potentially be a bit more well known.
Or that the psyker would mention being on it as well since they’d definitely feel it.
crisp heath
How does the Cadian vet respond to the Sicatrix Maledictum voiceline? If anyone knows about it, he would
sinful crater
Some characters refer to "fringe". If this is the Eastern Fringe, which I don't ...
it's possible the fringe is about the Cicatrix maledictum
cinder venture
There is always the idea that most of them have a vague understanding of what the CM is, but the words "Cicatrix Maledictum" aren't the words they know for it
crisp heath
I'd actually think Atoma is somewhere on the Terra side of Segmentum Ultima, firstly because this is the largest portion of territory the Imperium has so that's good statistics, and we know the Darktide refers to both Chaos and Xenos, and the Ultima Segmentum has The Maelstrom, a major necron dynasty, and the T'au Empire within it's borders, and Hivefleet Leviathan is active there.
crisp heath
There is always the idea that most of them have a vague understanding of what th...
The Zealot (I believe) knows the words and one of their voicelines has them asking exactly what it means, one of the NPCs answers, and then another member of the team makes a joke. Outside of that, they clearly have a foggy understanding of it.
cinder venture
See: canonical differences in words for flashlight (torch, stablight, etc.)
cinder venture
The Zealot (I believe) knows the words and one of their voicelines has them aski...
It's the psyker, who mentions that the Beloved whispers it in their (his?) dreams or sleep, iirc
crisp heath
ah
cinder venture
Hence my theory
Cause the psyker (especially Dreamer) seems to not have a great or lucid understanding of a lot of things
Also, from my understanding, the Imperium really avoids educating citizens on the specifics of Chaos
raven stone
Yea, Chaos info is suppressed and classified to normal run of the mill citizens
It isn’t impossible to educate people about the risk of it? But then it’s still a dangerous thing to do when just knowing Chaos exist, in and of itself, can corrupt minds.
celest dome
Not so much anymore, Chaos is way to widespread to be useful to do so
raven stone
Well, in the section of the Imperium cut off anyways, yes.
Also Guilliman may or may not shake up the education system too now that he is around
gleaming token
Honestly I’m super happy Guilliman is back. He’s gonna put the imperium on the right Path. Put groups that need to be put in their place where they belong and guide the imperium with his skills in logistics and tactics.
brittle slate
... vomit.
The imperium is meant to be a place that sucks. It's in the opening crawl of every single book. Guilliman should put two in his own head out of frustration if anything.
honest trellis
Also Guilliman is a tyrannical control freak whose new methodology is borrowing from Horus and was never that great so...
secret police remember?
also wow that "put in their place" is Y I K E S
dusk patrol
I mean what you're describing is what the Imperium already was
celest dome
Which secret police did Guilliman create ?
dusk patrol
Its just at least being led by someone who is legit not just working for themself and is trying to improve some things.
dusk patrol
Which secret police did Guilliman create ?
He's used the Inquisition and other forces but like
Secret police already existed
Didn't need to make any
celest dome
They already were there
dusk patrol
Yeah
celest dome
Apart from disbanding the Inquisition it was the only credible choice
And disbanding wasn't that credible eiter
dusk patrol
He has to work within the system
Like don't get me wrong it still a horrific system
But pretty objectively he's been an improvement
And is responsible for saving quadrillions of lives.
honest trellis
Which secret police did Guilliman create ?
Vigil Opertii
and nah
Guilliman didn't fix shit, just a change of hats and the torture machines running on time
honest trellis
I mean what you're describing is what the Imperium already was
I mean yeah I'm saying Guilliman fits right in the Imperium
It's a hell of his own making
and he's made sure everyone else has to deal with his mess
gentle lantern
I think orcs are actually humans from the future
upbeat dagger
who is Grendyl
upbeat dagger
I think orcs are actually humans from the future
arent orks a fungus
sinful crater
ork was created by the old one...well the Kork was... now ork are...well... fungus
upbeat dagger
also, are gork and mork real?
sinful crater
Guilliman didn't fix shit, just a change of hats and the torture machines runnin...
how one person can change something as big than the imperium? worst at that time the imperium was in a cataclysmic situation like never.
honest trellis
Considering executing high lords is a thing and he could have done anything he wanted? ultimately Guilliman is a coward who either LIKES or is okay with all the Imperium's worst tendencies
last lagoon
also, are gork and mork real?
So far everything points to them being warp entities/gods so yeah
honest trellis
he can talk a good game about how it's "totally not what the Emperor wanted" but he did all of it
upbeat dagger
who is guiliman
upbeat dagger
So far everything points to them being warp entities/gods so yeah
isnt there only 4 chaos gods
honest trellis
Robute Guilliman, primarch of the ultramarines
mystic geyser
4 big ones
honest trellis
survived the heresy and launched a coup to reorganize the Imperium
honest trellis
then woke up 10k years later and did it again
upbeat dagger
im guessing with the way that the warp works + ork psionics, gork and mork have to be real
also who is Grendyl? i know he's out inquisitor but
dusk patrol
Considering executing high lords is a thing and he could have done anything he w...
I mean its more he understands how empires and nations run and how you can't just keep executing leaders over and over without consequces which impede your ability to run the Empire effectively.
last lagoon
also who is Grendyl? i know he's out inquisitor but
Just a darktide character
dusk patrol
That's the point of Reget's Shadow, he let the opposing High Lords hang themselves
He deliberately appointed High Lords who would oppose him and support the ones he deposed so they could all try to rebel and he would have an excuse to eliminate them.
honest trellis
Regent's Shadow shows he has no scruples
he's just more comfortable playing games
mystic geyser
Savage
honest trellis
while ignoring the elephant in the room that the Imperium doesn't work and needs to be put down
because that would mean admitting he was wrong all along
that he hasn't just made a mistake here but for all his life
Robute Guilliman is an emotional coward
"know no fear" indeed
last lagoon
Cool
honest trellis
Like ultimately Robute is someone who just keeps...finding others to blame for things going wrong
always has an excuse, a scapegoat, a "if only they had listened more"
"It wasn't the system that was wrong, it was giving mortals too much authority"
upbeat dagger
i mean, isnt the point of 40k that everyone is evil
last lagoon
ork was created by the old one...well the Kork was... now ork are...well... fung...
On this note, Orks arent necessary all fungus its just a piece of their biology
dusk patrol
while ignoring the elephant in the room that the Imperium doesn't work and needs...
Ah yes, Guilliman is the one who has no scruples
Not the person suggesting "lol just let quadrillions die"
Possibly quintillions
honest trellis
The person suggesting the Imperium is not the be all and end all of humanity
that it's a slave pit that's just going to keep making things worse even more than it already did
dusk patrol
Its where its at right now, he can't unmake the mistakes of the past
He can try to work with the cards hes dealt though.
honest trellis
Guilliman himself literally calls it worse than Horus winning
upbeat dagger
would it even be possible to topple the imperium without humanity collapsing
honest trellis
Like I said, emotional coward who refuses to accept the logical conclusion
Quite easily
dusk patrol
That doesn't mean you burn it all down and let everyone die
honest trellis
Humanity isn't the IoM
dusk patrol
But quadrillions of people are.
honest trellis
There doens't need to be a centralized terran empire built on mindless faith
hell
mystic geyser
😬
honest trellis
the IoM arguably never was that centralized to begin with
dusk patrol
Like this is the most cringe response ever
honest trellis
entire segmentums broke off for millenia
dusk patrol
"Imperium of man is bad so quadrillions of people should die"
upbeat dagger
would the imperium's collapse fuck over space travel tho?
honest trellis
They'd need to use alternatives
sinful crater
you don't think at the big picture.... ok let's the imperium die...what will happend after? thousand of world will fall to xeno and chaos... the number of death will be unimaginable... he don't fight for the imperium, he fight for the people living in the imperium... if the imperium fall they are the one that will pay.
honest trellis
he doesn't give a shit about people living in the Imperium lol
dusk patrol
Uh huh
honest trellis
Guilliman wants yesmen and to be in power
upbeat dagger
no imperium means no souls for the golden throne, no souls mean no emperor, no emperor means no astronomicon
sinful crater
do the imperium is shitty? yep... do it deserve to disappear? yep.... but do it must disappear? nope..
dusk patrol
Ok
honest trellis
Like come on, the IoM and Guilliman aren't actually heroic
dusk patrol
Like, if we're just ignoring all depictions of Guilliman and making this fantasy in our head
last lagoon
Wrong Imperium is the best
honest trellis
his answer to everything is to keep doing exactly what the Imperium did, just with more librarians
dusk patrol
Then idk what the point of the conversation is
honest trellis
I mean you can definitely ignore Dark Imperium and his own words if you want
but like
upbeat dagger
Like come on, the IoM and Guilliman aren't actually heroic
again, EVERYONE IS EVIL in 40k
dusk patrol
He obviously cares, he literally has to resist just killing himself or leaving when he wakes up he hates what the Imperium has become so much
dusk patrol
He chooses not to do so because it would be selfish to
honest trellis
He talks a lot then just does the shit anyway, as confident as Horus
sinful crater
Then idk what the point of the conversation is
i think it's an agent of the chaos at this point
@honest trellisyou don't like gulliman we get it... but honestly you are far too biaised at this point
honest trellis
If evil is knowing better and choosing to do wrong, then Guilliman is legit one of the most evil characters in 40k...because he is one of the very few who actually could end the horrifying mess that is the IoM
But chooses to keep all the atrocities going
just "more efficiently"
upbeat dagger
If evil is knowing better and choosing to do wrong, then Guilliman is legit one ...
if the IoM dies, humanity as we know it would collapse
tyranids, necron, chaos gods, dark eldar
honest trellis
who do you think the IoM keeps purging?
and it sure as hell isn't just "chaos worshippers"
sinful crater
If evil is knowing better and choosing to do wrong, then Guilliman is legit one ...
ok we stop here.... everyone in warhammer 40000 is evil, no one is innocent, this is a true we must all accept it's a universe where our morale cant apply because it was made completly fucked up
honest trellis
those missionaries are there to screw over someone
Humanity exists and always has outside just the IoM
Just that the IoM sells itself as the only hope
upbeat dagger
if the IoM falls, what happens with the tyranids?
honest trellis
Hell even as late as Macharius the IoM keeps blowing up perfectly good human cultures
upbeat dagger
we're surrounded by em
honest trellis
if the IoM falls, what happens with the tyranids?
The same thing that happens with the Iom
The Imperium isn't competent to deal with the nids anyway
that's not me saying it, that's their own codex lore
"yeah we dunno what to do lol, maybe conscript everyone to go die?"
dusk patrol
We get it, you think quadrillions of people should die because a system is bad.
At least just say it.
honest trellis
The Imperium isn't actually competent to keep those alive
dusk patrol
Except they are
sinful crater
We get it, you think quadrillions of people should die because a system is bad.
i think you are far from the count, the number is unimaginable at this point.
honest trellis
it's just dragging out mass executions by being a machine designed to waste human life
dusk patrol
Because they aren't all dead
last lagoon
At this point your hate boner for the Imperium is just tiring, its been mainly the only thing I saw you talk about lol lmao
dusk patrol
i think you are far from the count, the number is unimaginable at this point.
It could be quintillions tbh
But Terra at least is in the quadrillions
So I'm just going with that.
honest trellis
The Imperium is and always has been a failed state, just that emphasizing that canon doesn't sell models
dusk patrol
We don't really know
sinful crater
So I'm just going with that.
i know it was just joking around because the size of the imperium is soo big
dusk patrol
But like, we're just using a projected view of Guilliman which isn't supported by the novels or any depictions of him, and is in fact completely against what he's explicitly shown to do. I don't think anyone outside of that first guy is claiming the Imperium is moral.
upbeat dagger
The Imperium absolutely sucks, thats grimdark
they also:
hold back the tyranids
hold back the forces of chaos
power the astronomicon
dusk patrol
But acting like letting quadrillions of people die is better is definitely way worse.
honest trellis
Dark Imperium literally has him rationalize away "marines should be in charge over mortals" horus style
also lol IoM being yeeted =/= "quadrillions dying"
that's basically just insetting propaganda about how humanity TOTALLY NEEDS THE EMPEROR MAN
dusk patrol
Terra would have fallen without Guilliman
dusk patrol
Ok so you're just being dumb then
celest dome
Yes, because even more people would certainly die
dusk patrol
Terra has quadrillions of people genius
Just Terra
Let alone the rest of the galaxy
He's saved countless worlds.
honest trellis
"saved"
dusk patrol
Are we pretending Chaos is a better alternative?
Are we that high on being contrarian right now?
celest dome
You cant resolve problem that amassed for millennia in one moment, you need to work progressively
dusk patrol
^
upbeat dagger
that's basically just insetting propaganda about how humanity TOTALLY NEEDS THE ...
sounds like heresy chief
honest trellis
Chaos at least offers the illusion of being less oppressive
dusk patrol
Lol
honest trellis
Like it's a total pyramid scheme
dusk patrol
Ok nvm, we're dealing with a troll.
sinful crater
also lol IoM being yeeted =/= "quadrillions dying"
ok let's humour you, since you seems to not realize what you talk about.... imperium fail, no more astronomicon, no more organization of army that can be send to reinforce any battlefield... no more manufacturum producing weaponery, vehicule and ship... no more soldier, no more food for some world since they can't produce food.... and in the end, means no one for coordinate for push back necron, nids, drukkari, chaos, ork.... choose your poison.... the number of death will be uncountable.
honest trellis
but that's still an improvement over "life exists for the meat grinder"
upbeat dagger
sounds like some major heresy chief
celest dome
Is thatvsupposed to be good ,
dusk patrol
Not worth engaging with
honest trellis
ok let's humour you, since you seems to not realize what you talk about.... impe...
Cool idea but still wrong
IoM exists to be a shitty gilded coat of paint over the fact the Imperium cannot exist as a centralized government
upbeat dagger
If the astronomicon falls, humanity is capital f FUCKED
honest trellis
it's a set of local alliances with the illusion of relevance outside of subsector/sector level organization sending fleets to go murder dissidents
*the Imperium of man is fucked
upbeat dagger
we have no fast travel without it
honest trellis
- warp travel exists
upbeat dagger
*the Imperium of man is fucked
how we gonna fast travel
honest trellis
- there are non-Imperium sanctioned means
celest dome
it's a set of local alliances with the illusion of relevance outside of subsecto...
Still if Terra is destroyed and stuff, Mankind is gone
honest trellis
it literally isn't though
upbeat dagger
ah yes, warp travel
how do we warp travel? THE ASTRONOMICON
sinful crater
Cool idea but still wrong
nope it's the truth... you simply lack the knowledge for understand it. the simple no more astronomicon mean no more safe warp travel means any jump can lead to more time difference or lost ship... means every system will get isolated, more easy to be invaded, ravaged, drained or simply razed to the ground
honest trellis
Entire segmentums have gone rogue before
oddly enough they were fine
Almost as if Terra and the IoM aren't needed
celest dome
Yes, and they still depend on the astronomicon
honest trellis
also the IoM is a joke for rapid response anyway
celest dome
If there isn't any, you simply can't safely use Warp Travel
honest trellis
No one told renegades that huh
celest dome
The Admech would die, then technology would start failing and stuff
honest trellis
Not...really?
sinful crater
let's agree to disagree, you simply hate imperium to the core, it's ok... you have a whole lot people that hate them.
honest trellis
The AdMech is both a pointless cult and knowledge very much isn't centralized
Like nothing the Imperium does is actually, in lore, necessary
they're just a brutal, backwards, and ultimately futile attempt to brute force an answer to problems
upbeat dagger
The AdMech is both a pointless cult and knowledge very much isn't centralized
the admech is a pointless cult
Who makes your weapons
and your vehicles
and your power armor
and keeps them running
honest trellis
and half their problems either don't exist or are of their own making
honest trellis
>the admech is a pointless cult
Who makes your weapons
and your vehicles
and you...
The guys hoarding the knowledge yes
brittle slate
let's agree to disagree, you simply hate imperium to the core, it's ok... you ha...
that's... reductionist to say the least.
dusk patrol
I mean its true tbh
celest dome
The knowledge is still mostly kept by Forge Worlds, and they don't produce any food, they import it
honest trellis
Turns out tech heresy is magic
brittle slate
There are dozens if not hundreds of mechanicus forgeworlds
honest trellis
Honestly it feels like a lot of the IoM stanning here is working backwards
from a conclusion of "IoM necessary"
brittle slate
each with their own piece of the puzzle. mars is first and foremost the most important, but I don't see the mechanicus just falling apart without mars
celest dome
Sure some would survive, but more would be destroyed
honest trellis
when canon very much shows it isn't
dusk patrol
Like this is just being contrarian, you can acknowledge the Imperium is bad without being this absurd about it. The idea that the Imperium falling wouldn't result in the deaths of quadrillions of people and mostly everyone would be fucked
Is just pure copium
celest dome
And the replacement wouldn't be better than the IoM
honest trellis
Everyone else would have to adapt
dusk patrol
We've seen it with Indomitus
honest trellis
because the terran parasite has made a mess of things
dusk patrol
Everyone else would *have to adapt*
No, mostly they'd die
upbeat dagger
terran parasite?
honest trellis
yes Indomitus where checks notes half the galaxy told terra to fuck off
brittle slate
The Interregnum does show there can be the possibility of alternative rule from Terra
dusk patrol
Necron's still exist
honest trellis
Pmuch
sinful crater
dude the imperium was make to be like this, why? because it's a story that is about war... nothing else nothing more.... they don't want a super paraside world... they want that every faction are the bad guys... no one is good, everyone is evil
dusk patrol
Sure, some sectors could make it
honest trellis
and Missionaries, again, exist to screw over non-IoM organizations
dusk patrol
But mostly people would just die.
honest trellis
Like seriously you're buying into in-universe propaganda
the Imperium doesn't need to exist canonically
last lagoon
Hell yeah
dusk patrol
Example A: This game
arctic talon
If the imperium falls a lot of humans are gona die lol
upbeat dagger
is really bad
brittle slate
If the imperium falls a lot of humans are gona die lol
i don't think anyone's saying otherwise
arctic talon
But odds are some people will end up with better life’s then before
brittle slate
but entertain the thought for a moment
honest trellis
also no safe warp travel
Warp travel is absolutely a thing for non-IoM factions
arctic talon
But there’s also a lot who will uh
dusk patrol
i don't think anyone's saying otherwise
He literally is
upbeat dagger
Example A: This game
what is the lore behind dtide if i may ask
celest dome
i don't think anyone's saying otherwise
Lucerne is basically saying that
arctic talon
end up in comorroagh
sinful crater
the Imperium doesn't *need* to exist canonically
that the point, i don't judge i read the lore and the story... i'm not the one writing it... you want to change it, nice, but that the story... you accept it or abandon it at this point.
brittle slate
oh. no, a lot of people iz gonna die if terra falls
celest dome
**end up in comorroagh**
Or Nomed by Tyr
brittle slate
terra's likely some thing like a 5th of the human population
all by itself and the sol system
arctic talon
It isn’t
honest trellis
that's overly generous I think, even for a hive
upbeat dagger
Warp travel is absolutely a thing for non-IoM factions
eldar have the webway
orks are orks
anything else is incredibly unsafe
arctic talon
But it’s just a huge number of people
dusk patrol
what is the lore behind dtide if i may ask
Basically, for whatever reason Atoma Prime and the sector has no communication with the Imperium, and/or anyone they can talk to can't come or won't.
brittle slate
they actually did the math in 30k
dusk patrol
So Grendyl is using whatever he or she can to save the planet.
brittle slate
Terra is the ultimate hive planet
arctic talon
40k has a much higher population on terra
brittle slate
and sol the most developed and populated system
dusk patrol
Its mentioned in books to have Quadrillions of people
upbeat dagger
hm, wonder if that'll get touched on
arctic talon
Then 30k
dusk patrol
In 40k
sinful crater
oh. no, a lot of people iz gonna die if terra falls
is more about the domino effect, it's not that they will die directly, it's slowly most of the world will be destroyed, a few will survive because not be found.... but honestly necron or nids will find them sooner or later and...well
arctic talon
Its mentioned in books to have Quadrillions of people
Yeah this
brittle slate
and by 40k it's all the more so
honest trellis
Regardless, 40k being the IoM holding humanity hostage doesn't actually mean IoM existing is what's best for humanity nor that it won't keep killing people for no good reason if it keeps existing
the best thing for humanity is to end the IoM
dusk patrol
So just say you're ok with quadrillions dying dog
arctic talon
I mean bit too late now lol
upbeat dagger
the best thing for humanity is to end the IoM
and an even bigger problem exists if the IoM fell
honest trellis
No it doesn't?
arctic talon
Humanity is damned if the IoM falls
upbeat dagger
the MASSIVE power vaccum it'd create
arctic talon
And Damned if the IoM stays
celest dome
Sure, you could take out the IoM and hope for the best, but that's not a sensible solution
dusk patrol
What do you think happens to Chaos if the Imperium falls?
arctic talon
^
sinful crater
the best thing for humanity is to end the IoM
that a heavy heresy thing to say.... 
brittle slate
it's possible i'm the guy that walked in on the conversation late- but I don't think humanity is lost if terra goes
honest trellis
It creates turmoil but the joke is the IoM isn't actually a viable central government to beign with
It doesn't exist above the level of sector or subsector in a meaningful sense
arctic talon
it's possible i'm the guy that walked in on the conversation late- but I don't t...
They’re saying if the imperium of man collapses
upbeat dagger
you cannot deny taking out the IoM would create a power vaccum of incomprehensible proportions
celest dome
It's a war government
dusk patrol
it's possible i'm the guy that walked in on the conversation late- but I don't t...
I would say at best its really bad, but he's not just talking Terra
brittle slate
maybe the hypothetical needs a how it falls
dusk patrol
He means the entire Imperium
sinful crater
it's possible i'm the guy that walked in on the conversation late- but I don't t...
terra by itself not really, big E is another problem.
honest trellis
each of those areas going their own way would allow for development and progress
hell
brittle slate
They’re saying if the imperium of man collapses
there are contingencies
honest trellis
even GUILLIMAN doesn't believe in the IoM!
dusk patrol
At best, quadrillions of people die.
brittle slate
hence the whole unremembered empire
dusk patrol
At BEST
honest trellis
The ultima segmentum basically is a smaller empire
the Imperium fails so badly as an organization
arctic talon
There are contingencies
honest trellis
not even its war leader follows it
last lagoon
Still is pretty cool
honest trellis
the Imperium is just a corrosive ideology that exists to prey on alternatives and fail at dealing with Chaos
arctic talon
The imperium falling would prolly cause several sub sectors to just implode
Instantly
sinful crater
even GUILLIMAN doesn't believe in the IoM!
no one believe into it...dude, what the point to us saying this is bad... this freaking universe is bad... what the point to feel soo much anger over a story that was written for be like this?
dusk patrol
the Imperium fails so badly as an organization
Idk I like their solution more than your "lol let quadrillions of people die" one
brittle slate
the Imperium is just a corrosive ideology that exists to prey on alternatives an...
i mean, yeah, that's been the trend that lead to the current state of affairs
honest trellis
I'm being pedantic but seriously y'all are stanning for the Imperium with false equivalence
honest trellis
i mean, yeah, that's been the trend that lead to the current state of affairs
Exactly
last lagoon
And I'm proud
dusk patrol
This is like saying that current conditions in China are bad, so we should just let them all die.
arctic talon
I'm being pedantic but seriously y'all are stanning for the Imperium with false ...
Nah I like the imperium because it sucks lol
honest trellis
My point is just arguing that the IoM falling is a serious contender for improving the state of humanity
arctic talon
That’s the point yes
honest trellis
and that canon has my back on this
dusk patrol
Its a bad one
upbeat dagger
My point is just arguing that the IoM falling is *a serious contender for improv...
how do you propose we warp travel
dusk patrol
No, it doesn't
brittle slate
I'm being pedantic but seriously y'all are stanning for the Imperium with false ...
that does tend to happen though.
dusk patrol
But ok
honest trellis
Yeah and it's honestly kinda creepy
brittle slate
Nah I like the imperium because it sucks lol
agreed
honest trellis
like seriously
brittle slate
of course
honest trellis
the IoM is not a how to guide or the good guys
arctic talon
But it’s still terrible
dusk patrol
no one is stanning for the Imperium
honest trellis
kinda are
sinful crater
I'm being pedantic but seriously y'all are stanning for the Imperium with false ...
it's different to stan for the imperium and enjoy warhammer 40000, you know? personally i'm a big fan of the space wolves, but hate the inquisition and most of the stuff the imperium do... you can like part of the imperium and not be ok with the whole.
dusk patrol
We're saying "Quadrillions of people shouldn't die"
Because the Imperium is bad
its not complex
honest trellis
IoM > chaos
That's the thing, Chaos is so vague that it could mean anything from "random renegades" to "BABY SKULLS FOR THE SKULL THRONE"
dusk patrol
Its not really dog
arctic talon
It isn’t
dusk patrol
Its very clear what chaos is in universe
arctic talon
Chaos != to a renegade
honest trellis
Kinda is, because even in GW's limited lore, Chaos worship takes a lot of forms
arctic talon
Renegades often end up falling to chaos
sinful crater
oh my god... chaos is not vague you know?
dusk patrol
This man literally just picks and chooses what lore he wants to acknowledge
Whats next, Nurgle people are actually happy and papa nurgle is nice?
last lagoon
Honestly I think this just stems from you unable to not force your view/opinion onto others and not saying "in my opinion" a lot of what you said about lore and GW is so overwhelmingly negative that I think most people wouldnt want to talk to you
honest trellis
cope ig?
honest trellis
sUpEr wROnG
arctic talon
dusk patrol
I mean yeah, objectively
upbeat dagger
bro is just a chaos advocate
honest trellis
Bruh I've literally wasted time giving you the relevant sources
last lagoon
Yeah you have lol
dusk patrol
I don't think any of your time can be considered wasted
It would need to have value in the first place
arctic talon
upbeat dagger
that may be the best insult ive ever seen
honest trellis
Keep being weird IoM bootlicks ig
dusk patrol
Please go to yet another server with your absurd projected ideas of 40k
sinful crater
for be honest the trouble is not giving source or giving your opinion, it's about ignoring anything we say and simply going with only my opinion is right... in a conversation you must accept every viewpoint... even stuff like "dark angel are great"....what soo great about this bunch of pedant bastard!
arctic talon
brittle slate
yes, rabble rabble rabble
dusk patrol
Literally all I'm saying is the solution isn't to burn it down and leave quadrillions to die
last lagoon
I am proud to say I dont get irrationally angry at a fictional empire
brittle slate
I am proud to say I dont get irrationally angry at a fictional empire
man, but do i run into people every day that do
honest trellis
"The Imperium is necessary to save lives! It'd totally be bad for it to stop existing!" - someone totally not stanning the IoM
sinful crater
<:aladPopcorn:593524516529897547>
share some! don't keep it for you!
dusk patrol
People take 40k way too seriously
dusk patrol
"The Imperium is necessary to save lives! It'd totally be bad for it to stop exi...
"Quadrillions of people dying is cool because I don't like their government" - You
arctic talon
I mean the imperium suddenly vanishing would be a bad thing if there’s no replacement
brittle slate
.... i mean... eternal... dude... you're like hate shaming at this point. You're taking it too seriously.
brittle slate
I mean the imperium suddenly vanishing would be a bad thing if there’s no replac...
there's always going to be a replacement
dusk patrol
We have a history
arctic talon
there's always going to be a replacement
Obviously
celest dome
I'll always be an Interex fan, but there isn't any other alternative that wouldn't be too costly for Mankind to the IoM
arctic talon
But who knows if it’s gona be better or worse
dusk patrol
He used to be on another server which Elite and Cuckle are also on
brittle slate
if anything, losing terra would probably help 40k humans
arctic talon
if anything, losing terra would probably help 40k humans
Astronomicon goes boom
So prolly not
honest trellis
The joke is the nature of warp travel means that the IoM can't really exist as a centralized government anyway so its loss would be a hiccup more than "oh no we're doomed"
Hell the Nihilus shows humanity...very much is a thing without Imperial nonsense
arctic talon
Until a replacement gets up and running
brittle slate
Astronomicon goes boom
imperium nihilus has managed without it
arctic talon
Like Pharos
brittle slate
not ideal, but not impossible
dusk patrol
The joke is the nature of warp travel means that the IoM can't really exist as a...
Tell me you don't know 40k lore without telling me you don't
brittle slate
just a moment
arctic talon
Nihilus is mostly chaos controlled rn
dusk patrol
Nihilius really hasn't
honest trellis
Exactly which is an alternative
arctic talon
According to the csm codex
dusk patrol
Lol ok
honest trellis
Like the Imperium may seethe
celest dome
Nihilus is mostly chaos controlled rn
Great Success
sinful crater
any sudden change of gouvernement lead to chaos and death... you can check any revolution of the past... everytime countless people did die... and it did take countless years to recover from it.
dusk patrol
brittle slate
if you look at the main causes for the imperial failure that is the rift, it's in the entire imperial military trying to respond to threats
honest trellis
bruh
brittle slate
the EoT redirect resulted in sectors all over the imperium falling
honest trellis
did you unironically post the IoM committing planetary murder as "this is why rebellion can't happen"
arctic talon
if you look at the main causes for the imperial failure that is the rift, it's i...
The imperium is literally too big to be effective
brittle slate
The imperium is literally too big to be effective
right
arctic talon
Ironicially losing all of nihlus might be a good thing
honest trellis
The video is literally arguing the IoM can't survive the existence of dissent
arctic talon
Overall for it
dusk patrol
did you unironically post the IoM committing planetary murder as "this is why re...
I guess I shouldn't be shocked that comprehending the video is beyond you.
brittle slate
so, if you didn't have to worry about terra anymore, it might actually make the imperium act like a better confederacy
honest trellis
It's an inquisitor spouting nonsense as he sanctions mass murder
arctic talon
I should prolly sleep soon it’s like 2 lol
honest trellis
because NO TOLERANCE FOR HERESY
dusk patrol
Yes you're right
honest trellis
Like seriously you do get Imperial kool aid isn't meant to be in-setting objective truth right
dusk patrol
He should have left the populace to be tortured and tormented by daemons
That would have been the moral thing
last lagoon
I think everyone here should get a better social life (some more than others)
dusk patrol
Daemon worlds are a great existence
honest trellis
The population seems to have strong opinions on the Imperium
and namely how good their skulls look as trophies of the revolution
brittle slate
I think everyone here should get a better social life (some more than others)
I have a blog. sir.
arctic talon
I don’t think it’s Imperial propaganda that slaaneshi daemons will torture you
last lagoon
I have a blog. sir.
I'm so sorry
sinful crater
*The video is literally arguing the IoM can't survive the existence of dissent*
yeah chaos daemon are magnificient alternative? i'm sure the slaneesh daemon will let you discover tons of new way to have...."pleasure"
dusk patrol
Nah dude Nurgle is nice to his followers man
arctic talon
Unless my chaos codex is lying to me
brittle slate
there are worlds in the eot then aren't seething hellscapes
honest trellis
^
arctic talon
there are worlds in the eot then aren't seething hellscapes
Yeah but they’re few and far inbetweeen
dusk patrol
Dude its all just Imperium propaganda
dusk patrol
Chaos is actually nice
honest trellis
tbh we've seen what happens when Chaos wins, it's messy but it's not DOOM BAD HORRIBLE FOREVER NO ESCAPE
dusk patrol
ignore literally every example to the contrary
arctic talon
tbh we've seen what happens when Chaos wins, it's messy but it's not DOOM BAD HO...
The flesh forge would suggest otherwise
celest dome
there are worlds in the eot then aren't seething hellscapes
Because they aren't found yet, but if something happen like an Ork invasion, Tyr or other Xenos. Well they're boned
sinful crater
ignore literally every example to the contrary
yeah, Khorne is soo nice he simply want to hugs you!
arctic talon
Aka my favorite creation of the dark mechanicum
brittle slate
the extremes are on a spectrum
dusk patrol
Imagine being so contrarian you become an actual unironic Chaos stan
last lagoon
@brittle slate I wanted to try to make a blog for a homebrew 40k campaign but its pretty confusing starting out haha
arctic talon
It’s very funny
brittle slate
<@523202005506719744> I wanted to try to make a blog for a homebrew 40k campaign...
it's hard for sure
better to just do a discord with a wikia
honest trellis
"Totally not bootlicking the IoM, nosireeeee"
dusk patrol
"If I keep saying it people might think its true"
Also
Being an Imperium stan is way better than being a Chaos stan
arctic talon
dusk patrol
both suck
brittle slate
...
dusk patrol
But one is just way worse wtf
honest trellis
I still find it hilarious you posted a video where the population all defected and the narrator says literally any heresy is reason to kill everyone
last lagoon
better to just do a discord with a wikia
Yeah, I wanted for it to be like the False Primarch blog you know where people can see n stuff
brittle slate
Tau stan. Win.
honest trellis
as a defense of the IoM
arctic talon
Tau stan. Win.
Least evil empire tbh
brittle slate
Yeah, I wanted for it to be like the False Primarch blog you know where people c...
nice
sinful crater
what about the people that stan for the votann?
arctic talon
what about the people that stan for the votann?
Capitalism
celest dome
Tau are a sorta not bad alternative to Imperial control, but Chaos is the worst possible outcome
hushed kayak
the imperium is built on lies
dusk patrol
what about the people that stan for the votann?
Cringe because the faction lore sucks rn
brittle slate
Votann are a wet fart
arctic talon
Tau > imperium > Chaos
sinful crater
Capitalism
take emotional damage damn my only weakness!
last lagoon
Votaan try not to be better than everyone challenge
dusk patrol
Tfw you think you can go to space to escape captialism
honest trellis
The Imperium is arguably the worst possible outcome because it's an exercise in futility that doesn't even offer the pyramid scheme Chaos does
arctic talon
Votaan try not to be better than everyone challenge
They have worse psykers then eldar
brittle slate
Least evil empire tbh
this is what chatgpt says about tau:
In the fictional universe of Warhammer 40,000, the Tau are a race of alien creatures that are known for their advanced technology and their philosophy of the "Greater Good." They are a young race compared to the other major civilizations in the universe, but they have rapidly developed their technology and their military power. The Tau are organized into a caste system, with each caste specializing in a particular field of expertise. The Tau are skilled in the use of advanced weaponry and their military is known for its use of tactical flexibility and rapid deployment. The Tau believe in working together for the benefit of the greater whole and are often seen as a more benevolent force compared to some of the other civilizations in the universe.
arctic talon
*In the fictional universe of Warhammer 40,000, the Tau are a race of alien crea...
“More benevolent”
dusk patrol
We're reaching unheard levels guys
sinful crater
The Imperium is arguably the worst possible outcome because it's an exercise in ...
ok at this point, you are officially recognize as a heretic... people i guess we all know what we need to do?
arctic talon
Me when the aggressively expansionist empire is more benevolent
brittle slate
The Imperium is arguably the worst possible outcome because it's an exercise in ...
lol, huh
arctic talon
And mildly xenophobic
arctic talon
Mr I am not corrupted by chaos
honest trellis
I mean Abaddon is about "Authoritarianism with Astartes Characteristics"
arctic talon
And then summons a bunch of daemons
hushed kayak
we should be more like Night Lords, and Alpha Legion. Who don’t rely on chaos
honest trellis
which is basically a change of hats from "Emperor" to "Abby"
dusk patrol
"Man at top of Pyramid scheme sees no issue with it"
arctic talon
farsight doesn't speak for all of us
Holy fuck that farsight quote is so fucked up lol
sinful crater
we should be more like Night Lords, and Alpha Legion. Who don’t rely on chaos
damn they are gathering here! call the comissar!
arctic talon
About Humans
last lagoon
"no more kings"
Reminds me of the meme of becoming what you hate
"No more kings" Becomes a king
brittle slate
i knnnnow!
arctic talon
Before he became less racist
hushed kayak
damn they are gathering here! call the comissar!
arctic talon
Then again he’s prolly had some of the most character development
For a tau character
brittle slate
Then again he’s prolly had some of the most character development
2 different versions. i completely reject the cinderblock fucking kelly did
dusk patrol
He's fun though
brittle slate
his initial version i better
arctic talon
Commander “I recognize they have a culture but they should all be wiped out” Farsight
last lagoon
I find it funny how much the enclaves are getting shit mixed because Farsight is acting like an ork
brittle slate
his noblebright-but-maybe-khorn is fucking cringe
arctic talon
>BL writers and doing xenos justice
Necron books
honest trellis
oh lord necrons
dusk patrol
>BL writers and doing xenos justice
Tell me you haven't read recent books
last lagoon
>BL writers and doing xenos justice
Ork books
dusk patrol
Without telling me you haven't read recent books
brittle slate
I find it funny how much the enclaves are getting shit mixed because Farsight is...
and adopting suicide tactics... totally the good guys
dusk patrol
Not a shocker
brittle slate
All his shit sucks
dusk patrol
You always manage to have the worst take possible
brittle slate
Tau* shit that is
arctic talon
All his shit sucks
Ngl he doesn’t feel like he wants to write tau
honest trellis
Look Eternal I know you want to be yet another interchangable IoM fanboy but you really aren't gonna have more of a point by screeching more
arctic talon
It’s the same as the guy who’s written a bunch of eldar books
brittle slate
I agree that newcron lore is not the miles ahead quality to oldcron lore
dusk patrol
Dude trust me this is amusing for me
honest trellis
Thorpe?
brittle slate
especially when newcron lore can, and should, easily absorb oldcron
last lagoon
I really want to see more harlequin stuff
arctic talon
especially when newcron lore can, and should, easily absorb oldcron
Old crons still exist
arctic talon
They’re just Necrons who are under control of C’tan shards
brittle slate
eternal, i know it's hard, but just try to be part of the conversation rather than shouting with a shit sandwich in your hand
brittle slate
Old crons still exist
really?
arctic talon
Sorta
brittle slate
that's... oh
dusk patrol
This guy really hasn't earned any goodwill
arctic talon
They’re mentioned in the codex
last lagoon
I find it funny Fabius is a go to book for Harlequins lmao
brittle slate
i was about to say that's awesome.
arctic talon
So good enough for me
hushed kayak
i still think they need to continue ynnari story, was actually cool seeing other craft worlds come together. Also making Ahriman shit himself when Yvraine bought the thousands son body back to life.
arctic talon
That’s my opinion at least
brittle slate
The Deceiver and Nightbringer stories were awesome
arctic talon
I'll check the latest newcron dex ig
It’s in the 7e one
honest trellis
section?
arctic talon
I forgot which page
brittle slate
i still think they need to continue ynnari story, was actually cool seeing other...
pity it was axed
hushed kayak
pity it was axed
i know FUCK
dusk patrol
Just take a Nid hivefleet, change the name to a Necron dynasty, and swap out the nids for Necrons
Boom, you have oldcrons
honest trellis
oh lord is he really spouting the metal nid meme
that meme has been dead for years, let it go
brittle slate
Boom, you have oldcrons
cope.
dusk patrol
Not a meme if it was true
full bane
It’s the same as the guy who’s written a bunch of eldar books
Phil Kelly is to Tau as Gav Thorpe is to Eldar.
Really into their one specific take on a race which makes them meh.
honest trellis
Literally had no grounding in canon whatsoever
sinful crater
pity it was axed
what do you means they was squated?
dusk patrol
They're canon
brittle slate
Phil Kelly is to Tau as Gav Thorpe is to Eldar.
Really into their one specific t...
good thing is that it looks like he lost the job
honest trellis
even the oldest takes on oldrons had them very much show agency about what they were doing
brittle slate
i'll never get this.
last lagoon
pity it was axed
I deeply believe Fulgrim is gonna come with the last crone sword and get beat up by the aeldari or do a "woops I accidentally dropped it"
brittle slate
but... well it's gone
brittle slate
I deeply believe Fulgrim is gonna come with the last crone sword and get beat up...
would have been simple to just let the dawnsword be one of them
arctic talon
I guess
brittle slate
but, sure, give it to slannesh and we'll never talk about it again
brittle slate
The original ones weren’t great
i don't think people actually bothered reading oldcron lore
arctic talon
It’s in slaanesh’s palace akshully
arctic talon
i don't think people actually bothered reading oldcron lore
I’m talking about the ynnari books
brittle slate
It’s in slaanesh’s palace akshully
if you leave your shit at my house. it's now my shit.
arctic talon
Eh
sinful crater
we're kind of all over the place
i don't see what you means.... really not....
arctic talon
I prefer it over the undying conversation about chaos isn’t that bad
last lagoon
if you leave your shit at my house. it's now my shit.
Put that into practice
honest trellis
It’s in the 7e one
Not seeing it
arctic talon
Not seeing it
Hm
honest trellis
references to transcendent c'tan being slaves, yes
arctic talon
If I find it I’ll ping you
honest trellis
sure thing
honest trellis
first I've ever heard of it and if true I'd have to give it a LOT more credit than expected
arctic talon
There’s Necrons under the sway of C’tan shards
brittle slate
You might be thinking of the alpha legion book?
arctic talon
I don’t think so?
dusk patrol
i don't think people actually bothered reading oldcron lore
Well after the seventh time you read about terminators in space slowly marching forward and killing everyone, with only the occasional vaguely interesting figure, and like a sprinkle of "Deceiver pulls a just as planned"
arctic talon
I swear it was in a codex
brittle slate
i'm googling furiously
dusk patrol
You've read em all
last lagoon
I have all the books with me if anyone needs
Thank god I downloaded it all before getting zapped
honest trellis
nothing about necrons serving ctan
celest dome
Both old and new Cron are great
brittle slate
Well after the seventh time you read about terminators in space slowly marching ...
... so the answer is "yes, i didn't read oldcron lore because reading is hard and my opinion has dried". That's fine.
hushed kayak
I don't hate crons
i hate them in tabletop, fucking res cp skill
brittle slate
lore/tabletop never the twain shall mix
otherwise your marine army would be 12 guys and anything with plasma would sweep the leg
honest trellis
To be fair, I legit wouldn't be shocked if we get something like movie marines eventually at this rate 🤣
brittle slate
they were in a white dwarf once
(jesus flipping christ a bolter could delete a squad of guard by itself)
honest trellis
(also no luck on the keyword search in 7e newcrons)
brittle slate
except against a crisis suit
dusk patrol
Depends tbh
brittle slate
Tau killed a shield captain in the only engagement so far
dusk patrol
And we've seen crisis suits die to lone marines, there's no consistency.
Its not ever a straight up 1v1
Or an even fight, so it depends
hushed kayak
i’m still puzzled, when a thunder warrior took on a world eater, and emperors children at the same time. I knew they’re crazy strong, but damn
dusk patrol
i’m still puzzled, when a thunder warrior took on a world eater, and emperors ch...
Just built different
Much less stable
But much stronger up close
brittle slate
or kroot able to strong arm ogryns
hushed kayak
y’know i never knew how crazy strong kroots are
brittle slate
crisis suits are effectively dreadnoughts that can fly. space marines only do them in in cc
which... always happens
brittle slate
y’know i never knew how crazy strong kroots are
they can rearrange their muscles (creepy sounding)
arctic talon
A crisis suit is also better at melee in lore then on the tabletop
brittle slate
A crisis suit is also better at melee in lore then on the tabletop
that is true
they also have close combat weapons in some lore
arctic talon
Tbf
hushed kayak
they can rearrange their muscles (creepy sounding)
they terrified me, but i’m not sure if the writing is right. Seeing how they can pick up on speed compare to eldars
arctic talon
A point blank shot
last lagoon
When is the admech gonna discover Lancer mechs and just have fun with them
arctic talon
Is a close combat weapon
dusk patrol
They're definitely nothing to fuck with
brittle slate
sure, they just also have fusion blades, in a few instances they have utility blades
last lagoon
"What do you mean this mech exists and doesnt exist at the same time"
brittle slate
you mean paladins?
last lagoon
Who
last lagoon
Oh I meant Lancer the rpg system
last lagoon
That has mechs that I'm pretty sure could rock admech's shit in
Ah interesting
Never heard about paladins
brittle slate
brittle slate
that's true
last lagoon
Lancer has a mech with a gun that doesnt exist and can summon it anywhere next to someone
brittle slate
...
last lagoon
Me
dusk patrol
Omg hes literally me
hushed kayak
Not even counting anime
oh don’t get me started, i hate how mobile suits work in gundam
brittle slate
dusk patrol
Looks cool
brittle slate
dusk patrol
Ah yes
brittle slate
that's it... that's all the history for today
dusk patrol
The Dodo mech
hushed kayak
are these official models back in the day?
brittle slate
Epic 40k
hushed kayak
jesus christ, i know they had an amazing thunder hawk that’s was big, and amazing. But this is something lol
hushed kayak
dusk patrol
Smol boys
brittle slate
best avatar of khain rules that ever existed though
arctic talon
Anyone have the wierdboy Wi-Fi tower
dusk patrol
Need a fucking pube paintbrush to try to paint them
last lagoon
I one bite those small squares with ease
brittle slate
thing could clobber titans
dusk patrol
dusk patrol
Old 40k had some oddly revolutionary aspects
Say what you will, GW always tries to be ahead of the curve
brittle slate
um. well, except for warcraft
dusk patrol
Hell they tried to make World of Warcraft a Fantasy game
brittle slate
film, tv
dusk patrol
I did say tries
brittle slate
it's because you have 50% of the shareholders insisting that it's just a toy company
dusk patrol
Obviously their previous attempts have been uh
brittle slate
and torpedo themselves
brittle slate
warhammer+ in general is just so utterly half assed
thank god amazon bought the rights
celest dome
Warhammer+ is GW making a good decision but shooting itself in the foot because they want more control
dusk patrol
We'll see how it turns out, I'm hopeful enough
last lagoon
Imagine being a space marine and watching someone in a suit barely smaller than you quickly tear through your squad and you suddenly get a bunch of holes punched through you because the shotguns cartridges shoot out like missiles when reloaded
dusk patrol
At the end of the day, while I don't like WH+
I do respect GW for always trying to maintain control of their universe.
last lagoon
I do wonder how long they have been in talks
celest dome
Imagine being a space marine and watching someone in a suit barely smaller than ...
Kin ?
last lagoon
Lancer
celest dome
Kin
last lagoon
🫵
brittle slate
I do respect GW for always trying to maintain control of their universe.
they don't do that if there's money though. and they don't really know their own universe that well tbh
dusk patrol
Well even just like Starcraft Marines are really silly offensively.
Not as much defensively
brittle slate
i'm a huge fan of gw's company practices about 8+ years ago
dusk patrol
they don't do that if there's money though. and they don't really know their own...
I mean, they do, just not everyone is gonna love the direction.
Which is fine
I don't like everything they've done.
celest dome
i'm a huge fan of gw's company practices about 8+ years ago
Wasn't that the time they squatted the Squats ?
dusk patrol
But overall I think its mostly gotten better
brittle slate
i don't defend them when they make poor decisions based off reddit reviews
last lagoon
Isnt GW's ceo change still kinda "fresh"?
brittle slate
Isnt GW's ceo change still kinda "fresh"?
no
last lagoon
8e was how many years ago
celest dome
Didn't the ET happen in those times ?
dusk patrol
Like eight years ago we wouldn't have gotten Twice-Dead King
Infinite and the Divine
Recent Ork books
GSC books
brittle slate
but we do get shadowsun
dusk patrol
I'm not claiming they're perfect
They've had issues with some factions but its gotten better overtime
brittle slate
there was more lore coming out of gw back in 1999-2008
last lagoon
GW lost me when they released Huron's book
dusk patrol
And frankly most 40k books have always sucked
last lagoon
Gonna rob Nottingham
dusk patrol
My main complaint these days is lack of lore with new releases