40k-lore-chat

[barren tapir]

And one formation of scions is known to be very good at fighting genestealers and lictors

Catachans are also said to be proficient in killing nids

Which isn't a surprise since it would be just like at home

Their home

[arctic talon]

The survivors of forgeworld Gryphon IV as well

But there’s like almost none of them lul

[barren tapir]

True

[arctic talon]

Catachan devils are nids gone native imo

They share a lot of similar properties

[barren tapir]

It is heavily hinted that yeah

[arctic talon]

Same with the Fenrisian Kraken

[barren tapir]

Like it is heavily hinted that the imperium had already faced nids around m35 iirc

[arctic talon]

But that one has a lot more evidence

As in one of the eggs

[rich vale]

I remember there was some weird battle where it's thought time traveling nids fought the emperor and co

[arctic talon]

Straight up had nid proto forms in it

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[barren tapir]

Could be, we know that some nids got time swapped back in the past by necron tech

[boreal fiber]

Would rather ask this here than in general but how do you personally pronounce or read "Lasgun"? I always go with laz-gun rather than lase-gun. Looks like a laser, I can understand that being the origin but it sounds bad to my ears.

[rustic spruce]

I find it kind of funny that some tyranids have swords for hands, while others have hands holding swords

At what point does the hive mind determine whether or not the sword needs to be attached to the wrist

[signal bramble]

Every audiobook pronounces it as “laz” and it’s been that way for years.

[boreal fiber]

Good to know, I can breathe a sigh of relief lol

[stuck kindle]

Lass guns

[urban spire]

so for someone way past the crux mechanicus, is there any practical reason why they couldn't be more powerful than a conventional space marine?

[signal bramble]

There’s more to a space marine than just strength and endurance.

An Ogryn could technically beat just about any space marine at arm wrestling. But in actual combat I’d always put my money on the marine.

[urban spire]

right, but that's an ogryn, not, say, a skitarii alpha primus

[crisp heath]

There's definitely higher up tech priests who can 1v1 a space marine, but you're unlikely see skitarii anywhere near that strong because they're like halfway between guard and admech. The issue is that admech upgrades are inconsistent and partially based on personal preference and many tech priests arent kitting themselves out specifically for war

[urban spire]

or a magos

or throne forbid, a forge master

right, so if mechanicus augmentation can make a stronger soldier than the emperor's genetic engineering, why did he go for something with such a heinous fatality rate?

[crisp heath]

Tech priests can fight, but they're researchers and, you know, priests, so if they're going to devote resources to anything they're going to prefer tools that help them in that regard, although sometimes "non-conbatant" tech priests carry around insane shit like heavy flamers and miniature lascannons inside their body for "self defense"

[urban spire]

listen if i was allowed to mount a lascannon onto my body i would do it in a heartbeat

[crisp heath]

I mean out of lore, rule of cool, bioengineering is just fun. But there's also the in-lore justification that astartes were developed before the Emperor brought Mechanicus into the fold and were supposed to be perfectly designed to conquer space.

[signal bramble]

You could definitely design skitarii capable of killing marines or equip them as such.

Actually I just remembered something. In the priests of mars series a highly modified skitarii duels a black Templar and it’s pretty close.

[crisp heath]

They could do that with Skitarii, but that's not what Skitarii are designed for so it wouldn't be "maximum efficiency" so it's probably rare that they get that powerful.

[signal bramble]

The skitarii had the weapons but the marine improvised to win rather than rely on numbers and tactics.

Showing the skitarii that emotion can win battles.

[urban spire]

i remember that

[nocturne crest]

What if the space marines was facing a Kataphron?

[urban spire]

ok that's unfair though

actually no, unfair is fun

what IF the space marine was facing a kataphron?

[vital kernel]

I mean that's really a question of where a skitarii begins and where something else ends.
You could argue a dreadnought will beat every Marine 1v1.
A Dreadnought is essentially a cyborg too, but also a vehicle of sorts.

The Admech is certainly capable of building machinery that will destroy every Marine. But it can't make it as numerous and effective as a Space Marine.

[urban spire]

a dreadnought is a kickin rad battle wheelchair, effectively

guess that's a win for accessibility

space marines get good healthcare, who knew

[nocturne crest]

Even the primaris?

[urban spire]

there are primaris dreads aren't there?

anyway with regards to space marines being more numerous, isn't that just because space marines have been making space marines for over ten thousand years?

[nocturne crest]

Yeah, but they don't last as long I think?

[urban spire]

the process of making a space marine is absolutely ridiculously inefficient

[vital kernel]

If we consider a Skitarii Marshal the pinnacle of Skittle Performance, then it is safe to say a Skitarii can be made better than a base Marine.
However, they are made from exceptional Parts, and an exceptional Marine like a Captain will outperform even a Marshal in every regard

[crisp heath]

It wouldn't be so bad if every chapter didn't trick 3/4 of their aspirants into killing themselves lol

[nocturne crest]

Don't chapters usually just take people to become aspirants.

[storm jungle]

Kidnapping usually

[crisp heath]

Depends on the Chapter. Space Wolves take volunteers, but the trial is actually surviving to reach The Fang.

[jagged monolith]

No shortage of orphans

[vital kernel]

Really depends on the Chapter.

[crisp heath]

Also on the subject of becoming a Space Marine: exactly how much blood did Sanguinius fucking have? Blood Angels are still pumping that shit straight into teenagers 10,000 years later

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if the Marines Malevolent steal aspirants from other chapters as well.

[vital kernel]

Some who don't have readily available recruiting grounds usually just snatch kids.
But others like the Ultramarines can take their picks from graduates all across Ultramar.

[storm jungle]

STOP ASKING PERFECTLY REASONABLE QUESTIONS

[urban spire]

i think either becoming a space marine is a lot easier than they like to admit, or there's only like 500 space marines and a lot of propaganda

[worldly wing]

And then there's Carcharodons that just kidnap an entire planet and hold try-outs for those they deem worthy enough and enslave the rest.

[plush mason]

lol

[plush mason]

someone being reasonable? thats heresy of the highest order

[barren tapir]

Crux Mechanicus?

[crisp heath]

I don't think they do that anymore because they have a homeworld now. Now they just kidnap a small country.

[urban spire]

that's when your body is more machine than flesh

the point at which*

unsurprisingly it is a big deal for the mechanicus

[barren tapir]

Aaaahh, didn't remembered that it was called that

Anyway, yes, skitarii are capable to go toe to toe against SM, and if well made they are even more than a match, but that entirely depend on the world and the tech priest that make such skitarii

And also yes, it is easier to make skitarii than SM, but the science to make skitarii is a secret jealously kept by the Ad. Mech.

[plush mason]

i mean. if a SM attacked a tech priest wouldnt that just get his whole chapter cut off from all admech support?

[barren tapir]

Yes, pretty much, unless somehow they can prove it was an heretek that was against the Mechanicus creed

[plush mason]

ye

[barren tapir]

But the thing is that tech priest are fully capable to deal with SM

[plush mason]

yeah but they likely rarely have to

[barren tapir]

Since, many of them under those robes have enough bionics that could be considered power armour

Belisarius had to bonk quite few CSM that tried to touch his precious reliquary when reviving big G, and it didn't ended well for those CSM

I recall also an event where an SM attacked a tech priest, and such tech priest was more annoyed than anything else because it distracted it a bit from his calculations

Maybe i can find the excerpt again

[plush mason]

the man is the size of a fucking rhino so im not surprised lol

[urban spire]

ok but that's cawl, that man hasn't been even remotely human for thousands of years

cawl has more in common with my car than with me

[crisp heath]

Admech kill an Iron Warrior in Brutal Kunnin, at a disadvantage because there's also a ||daemon engine|| in the room

added spoilers because the books worth reading if you haven't

[rustic spruce]

it's kinda funny cawl has a really tiny robot hand that holds a cane

[signal bramble]

All the ork parts in that book are a delight.

[crisp heath]

Honestly the admech in that book recognize that the CSM is dangerous, but he doesn't especially worry them

It's written as if he's something they could easily get under control

[arctic talon]

Also baseline lore wise an enginseer has durability comparable to human power armor

[barren tapir]

They wear one, so make sense

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[tulip sand]

I mean a commissar 1v1ed a world eater

[dusk patrol]

The Sanguinary priests replace their blood with his and eventually they produce it

[tulip sand]

Well his aide had a melts gun but still

[dusk patrol]

His blood quite literally runs in their veins

Which is neat

Also why they’re treasured by the chapter and protected

[normal stream]

With the right weapons and the right rolls anyone can defeat anything :p

I mean, you had kids take down a falcon with sticks and stones 😄

[shell cloud]

thats ork strategy if i've ever seen it

[normal stream]

(a bit more seriously) even in the better books like the word bearers one an Elysian drop regiment that catches word bearers off guard manage to kill quite a few between power fists, plasma weapons, iirc demo charges

(OK they all get completely massacred a short time later but still, they killed a few!)

[dusk patrol]

It’s an Elysian tradition for them all to die while just managing to accomplish the objective

[barren tapir]

I will always remember this scene... It was in my first book i ever read about warhammer... I had my doubts, but thought it was fine in the setting, only after i read more about it i understood why goto was despised by the community

[normal stream]

And tech priests kitted out for war can be completely and brutally lethal, just look at the ordo reductor magi in 30k

[normal stream]

Funnily enough even on tabletop they play like this too

Or, well, played

Almost any match I played that I won was a pyrrhic victory, otherwise I just got totally tabled.

[arctic talon]

Pocket las cannon

[normal stream]

Jokaero be like "who me"

[arctic talon]

Monke has pocket heavy flamer/melta gun/las cannon

[crisp heath]

I mean in First and Only a CSM shows up and he's taken out by a lucky shot with a lasgun, but you don't really want to be holding a lasgun when you see a CSM

[normal stream]

Yep

Shit like that happens in tabletop too! Roll a 4+ to hit, roll a 6 for wound, roll a 1 for armor save

😂

[urban spire]

30k is cheating, even i'll acknowledge that. the level of weapon the admech was running around with at that time made space marine power armour look like soggy toilet paper

[normal stream]

They're ordo reductor, they're.. Kinda known for that.

A bunch of their units had 40k datasheets for a long time and were legit to field

[urban spire]

i mean anyone with a volkite anything can turn a space marine into a heavily armoured donut

[arctic talon]

If you roll well enough and a custodes player rolls bad enough

You can kill a bunch of custodes with a bunch of rusty pipes and planks with nails

[urban spire]

yeah but every time you bring up the tabletop the space marine fans get so noisy about the lore/gameplay separation

[arctic talon]

Honestly they’re separate enough

Bcs carapace and human power armor

Should have dif Toughness ratings

But eh

[urban spire]

they are, though i don't think they should be as separate as they are

[arctic talon]

The system isn’t granular enough

To separate stuff like that

But most guns that can kill marines easily on the tabletop

Can do it in lore

[barren tapir]

And there are quite a lot of weapons that can kill SM, no matter how much SM fans whine and cry

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Lasguns work

Just need enough/a lucky shot/a unlucky marine

[urban spire]

lasguns can in fact penetrate weak points on space marine armour, even in the lore

[arctic talon]

Only weapons that would struggle with power armor are autoguns

Bcs ima be honest here

[urban spire]

especially hotshot loads

[arctic talon]

Auto guns can’t pierce carapace and flak well

Or rather

[barren tapir]

SM are just overhyped, but they are nothing special outside being humans super pumped with genetic changes to be biological superweapons, made in a moment where humans were the easy resource to find

[arctic talon]

Some autoguns

The trash autoguns gangers and rioters have usually can’t do much against flak

Like it’ll hurt a lot if you get shot obviously

[urban spire]

agripinaa autoguns could maybe do it, seeing as how they fire extra long 8.25 bullets

[barren tapir]

Auotguns are know to be on par of lasguns in damage potential, the difference is just with what ammo you load them, AP exist and do wonder against armour

[arctic talon]

But they’ll hold up decently

[arctic talon]

Yeah but rioters usually don’t have that sort of stuff

Guard Regiments and organized rebellions

Yeah

[barren tapir]

And tbf, flak doesn't protect from direct shoots from autoguns

[arctic talon]

They’ll have em

It protects you the same way modern body armor protects you

[urban spire]

only very high caliber autoguns perform on par with lasguns, and even then they don't have the flexibility, and you run into weight issues with ammo

[arctic talon]

Aka you’ll bruise and prolly break a few bones

[arctic talon]

Yeah this is what I remember as well

There’s also auto weapons that exceed las weapons

[barren tapir]

It is meant to provide defence against low-velocity, dispersed damage, such as explosions, shrapnel and ricochet material, rather than to protect against a direct impact, in which case the armour's protection is almost negligible.
Even less, modern armour is more akin to carapace

[urban spire]

40k flak armour is more or less as good as it was in real life, stops shrapnel but not much else

[arctic talon]

But they’re usually even more rare

So carapace are like irl plates

[barren tapir]

Yes, i was stating so

[urban spire]

so you were

[barren tapir]

The fun thing is that flak give kinda more defence against energy weapons than solid projectile

[arctic talon]

Not suprised lol

[urban spire]

i guess flak would be more ablative?

[arctic talon]

Energy weapons are somewhat common in 40k

[barren tapir]

Since the fabric with which is made is also heat dissipating, or absorbing, don't remember exactly the right word

[arctic talon]

I’d assume dissipating

Absorbing would make it get very hot

[barren tapir]

The ablative characteristics of the armour provide further defence against heat and energy based damage.
Ablative it seems

[urban spire]

against a laser weapon you'd either want armour with a crazy high melting point and low conductivity, or stuff that can just immediately vapourize before any energy is transferred to the wearer

[barren tapir]

Cinless was right

[arctic talon]

Wraith bone heh

[urban spire]

wraith bone got low conductivity?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[urban spire]

neat

rt to make a guardsman sad

[arctic talon]

Very conductive towards psychic energy tho

[barren tapir]

Carapace armour consists of large rigid plates of armaplas, ceramite or some other strong material molded to fit parts of the body
This is the description of carapace as it can be seen, dunno about you, but this seems to me like a description of a plate carrier to me

[arctic talon]

Which uh

Has consequences and benefits

[urban spire]

plate carriers don't typically come with MASSIVE PAULDRONS though

[barren tapir]

So, yeah, in the grim darkness the main armed force of mankind is issued armour that is obsolete by our own modern standards... It kinda show how much fall humans have fallen

[arctic talon]

Its cheap tho

[urban spire]

i mean the main benefit of wraithbone is that you've got a ton of nerds who grow the shit for fun

[arctic talon]

[barren tapir]

Neither carapace do...

[arctic talon]

Yeah its just crystalized psychic energy sorta

[urban spire]

carapace got the pauldrons

[barren tapir]

Yeah, and cannot stop thinking of me playing UFO:aftershock and using the cheapest armour at the start because it was the only thing i could produce... That game helped me understand lots of things

[barren tapir]

Those are not too big, we have them IRL too

[arctic talon]

quantity has a quality of its own

[barren tapir]

Well, massive you said

Those are normal pauldrons

[urban spire]

never seen shoulder guards like that on a modern soldier, but modern soldiers are not hugely my thing

yeah i mean they're massive for human armour

i don't mean space marine massive

[barren tapir]

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8e/MultiCam_IOTV.jpg

[urban spire]

they look a lot less chonky

[barren tapir]

I have another image with a guy from the bunderswehr with full body armour that have them bigger

[barren tapir]

Yes, that is what i managed to find as now, there are other types of armour

[urban spire]

i don't doubt you, this is entirely out of my wheelhouse

[barren tapir]

There are quite many designs being also developed... Of course it is not still widely used, especially not complete, but it exist

[urban spire]

anyway i don't think you can easily replace individual components of carapace

[barren tapir]

Depend on the pattern

But yes, in some you can

Some bodysuits also include simple slots for carapace plates to be inserted, allowing the wearer to customise their level of protection or more easily replace damaged plates.

[urban spire]

oh neat

[wary mesa]

do you think some of the ennemies look fancy bc they were lord or something like that?

[urban spire]

yeah i think these lads only spawn in throneside

at least that's the only place i've seen them

[plush mason]

so carapace is like ballistic plates in modern body armor?

[barren tapir]

Yes, pretty much

[wary mesa]

Oh now you say it, that was in throneside! I'll play more on this map, that's cool

[urban spire]

the guy in the fancy pajamas really looks like a minor nob or something

[plush mason]

how high up is throneside anyway? cause if the cult/traitors have reached the top the hive is doomed

[urban spire]

it's not the spire, obviously

[barren tapir]

Mid hive, probably the intersection between low and mid

[plush mason]

k

[urban spire]

on account of it being a massive internal cave thing

i think throneside is dedicated to the ecclesiarchy personally

it seems pretty low on livable spaces

no anti-homeless bars on the benches though, so that's nice of them

[plush mason]

there is also the aegis station and the whole place seems to be dedicated to a local lord militant

[plush mason]

thats likely because the homeless people are just killed if they try to enter the district lmao

[urban spire]

you just gotta be rich and homeless

these are premium benches

[plush mason]

lol

[warm crest]

Very likely just the Imperium/Tertium's lower middle class

Any more higher and there will be issues from the local nobility

[crisp heath]

Even a high inquisitor would get blammed if they became a poxwalker

Zombies with machetes? Bad time

[pine hedge]

Is there anything in the 40k universe called the "Adeptus Codes"?

[timid ferry]

There’s the custodes…

[nimble hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-saltzpyre-no-warrior-priest-no-saltzpyre-warrior-priest-no-vermintide-gif-24413806

[pine hedge]

Nah they are the Adeptus Custodes

blessed sigmar

[warm crest]

Cool grimdark fact: If you're playing as a Veteran from the Moebius system then there is a probable chance that you've served with the Moebian Sixth before.

Once, you may have been on a first name basis with them. Think about it

[analog swift]

There is no mercy for the heretic.

Do not hesitate when dealing with them.

[unique berry]

The emperor protects

[warm crest]

Based Commissar moment

[sinful crater]

the trouble is we don't know how far the corruption of the moebian guard go... maybe it's only the 6th, but you can expect to have more

[signal bramble]

Hive worlds can produce enough regiments that the total could be in the hundreds of thousands deployed all over the place. It stands to reason there were plenty that weren’t corrupted.

Another thing to consider, despite the current situation, Atoma would still be expected to pay their tithe.

[sinful crater]

the question is do atoma will be able if we don't solve fast the situation

[signal bramble]

Hive cities usually have multiple hives. We’ve confirmed the existence of a second but I believe there will be others. Also, I assume so. Keep in mind that if a planet is costing more than its producing then there’s a good chance the imperium may just abandon it.

[sinful crater]

it seems they don't want to abandon it, or they will have not send the 6th and the warband for deal with the revolt. plus catch the leader can lead to the source of the corruption of the 6th, if i was grendel i will find clue there

the fringe war seems to be tougher than it seems too, if they was forced to send a detachement from the frontier for deal with a revolt of a cult.

but well for now i'm not sure of anything since we as reject have access to no important information of the sector

maybe when we will move up in the warband we will have acces to more info and have a better picture of the situation

[arctic talon]

An urban warfare regiment could prolly deal with the issue

On atoma

Problem is we’re cut off

[sinful crater]

we are cut off and do they have a urban warfare regiment available

[arctic talon]

If we could get a call out yeah

Theres 2 big regiments that specialize in hive warfare

[sinful crater]

i hope the season will add the part where we will move up in the warband and learn more.

[arctic talon]

Salvar Chem Dogs and Athonian tunnel rats

Could both prolly make quick work of the Moebian sixth and the cultists

[sinful crater]

hmmm true

but if that the case, what will be our role?

[arctic talon]

Same as before precision raids

[warm crest]

Imagine calling Atoma's most experienced urban warfare regiment and the Trapper next to you asks you to give her space to pick up the vox 💀

[indigo parrot]

What's this warhammer 40k movie I keep hearing about from Amazon?

[lilac wave]

It's not anything yet. Popular actor just got dropped from his current project and said "Fuck it, I'm making something 40k now"

[sinful crater]

henry calvil did join amazone for make a wh40k movie, he will be actor and executive productor

[lapis marlin]

Gamerant saying Darktide should have xenos as playable characters.

Xenos, in the inquisition. Lol

[sinful crater]

hahahahahahaha... no

seriously people need to stop to smoke

why not an assassin...

[uncut plover]

Xenos as playable characters?

We are not working for a Rogue Trader. XD

[nocturne crest]

Compared to the baseline human, how much more durable are Space Marine scouts?

[uncut plover]

Quite durable

To begin with their armor is a step below standard Power Armor but above the carapace armor guadsmen normally use

it allows for freedom of movement they can never get with a full armor set

[sinful crater]

space marine wear a power armor and below it they have a skin implanted under them skin if i'm right making them super resilient.

[nocturne crest]

I see.

[normal stream]

Radical Xenos inquisitors?

Wouldn't be out of the ordinary.

After all, you could have Jokaero in an Inquisitor Henchman Warband in TT

Eldar and Kroot are very possible, as are Tarellians and Sslyth.

[unique berry]

Mean this

[nocturne crest]

BTW, is the bolter that we can use in Darktide made for space marines or regular humans?

[unique berry]

Humans

[sinful crater]

the bolter of the space marine will make the arm of the human fall haha

[normal stream]

We use Locke patterns right?

[plush mason]

ye the Locke Spearhead

[plush mason]

nah more like a human couldnt even pick it up

[mint talon]

Omnissiah be praised

[nocturne crest]

An Orgyn could probably carry a space marine bolter.

[plush mason]

ye easily

ogryn are way stronger than space marines

[nocturne crest]

So is it only the locke pattern of bolter or is there other types that can be carried by the humans and the imperial guard.

[mint talon]

ye maybe, but they are not Alpharius

[plush mason]

yeah there are a few types. the godwyn is the most famous one the human sized bolters

[nocturne crest]

What about bolters of different types?

Like storm, combi.

[plush mason]

the only human i know of to use a storm bolter is Yarrick

and he used it one handed as easily as a laspistol lol

which is insane as not even a normal space marine can do that

[nocturne crest]

R.I.P Yarrick.

[plush mason]

the man was a chad

[nocturne crest]

Yes.

[normal stream]

Meh.

All my inquisitorial henchmen had storm bolters

Lol

[nocturne crest]

So do you think they'll eventually add sniper rifles type weapons to darktide?

[normal stream]

Full squad of Jokaero, Plascannon Servitors, and the rest were Acolytes with stormbolters

[plush mason]

well i was talking about the lore not stuff like the RPG

[normal stream]

Nothing in the lore says normal humans can't wield a stormbolter.

[plush mason]

sure

they just cant control it

[normal stream]

And the lore and TT and RPG books are in some ways, also canon.

[plush mason]

ofc

[normal stream]

No worse than a guardsman wields a lasgun

[plush mason]

lol

[normal stream]

(That was a lasgun recoil joke)

(hi bot)

[plush mason]

afaik the lore says only terminator armored space marines can control the insane recoil of a stormbolter

[normal stream]

Cite your source

[sinful crater]

normally only space marine have stormbolter, the only other case know of not space marine army using it... is the adepta sororitas

[rustic spruce]

is asmodai of sound mind

[normal stream]

Well, and they're also pintle-mounted weapons on armoured vehicles.

So they're not that rare.

[plush mason]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Storm_bolter

[sinful crater]

i'm talking of a person using it, a soldier, yeah you have stormbolter mounted on tank

[normal stream]

And in the Inquisition, well, all rules are off.

[sinful crater]

it's more about be able to use it... the stormbolter have a recoil worse than bolter. the reason of why space marine and sororitas can use them is the power armor... and the sororitas one is a special version designed for them

[plush mason]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Storm_Bolter

tfw when the fandom wiki has more info than the lexicanum

[normal stream]

Fandom isn't actually ever 100% accurate though.

Lexicanum has better source citation and moderating.

[dusk patrol]

It really doesn’t either tbh

They’re both pretty shit

[normal stream]

Still better than Fandom.

[plush mason]

ye but sometimes the fandom uses the exact same sources and just gives more in-depth info

[normal stream]

Either way, I wouldn't use either of them as primary sources.

[plush mason]

yeah but i sadly dont have the money to buy some 60+ books at least to get the most reliable info i can

[last lagoon]

Just pirate them

[normal stream]

I mean, then, maybe don't make absolute claims to something...?

[plush mason]

fair

[normal stream]

Like unless you can backup your statement beyond a Fandom or Lexicanum article, there's nothing really to discuss.

[rich vale]

I don't need to shoot the stormbolter full auto

I just need to shoot, then wait 5 minutes to relocate my shoulder back into place, and shoot again

[sinful crater]

the thing it's let's be honest one second a stormbolter is like a dual bolter... you expect a normal human be able to use the weapon with the recoil? they had already needed to make a lighter version of the bolter.... the stormbolter

[rich vale]

[plush mason]

tho i do try to avoid that. my info is often second hand and nothing i say is meant to be absolute but most tend to assume it is because thats how people think now

[normal stream]

it's in your phrasing tbh

if you say "the lore says", I'm gonna ask "where"

because I've never read anything saying that stormbolters can't be wielded by humans

[plush mason]

well i never said wielded i said controled

they can use them. but good luck hitting anything

[sinful crater]

and i want to see them arm after a few shoot

[nocturne crest]

I wonder if they will do a skin of the maccabian janissaries for the veteran or zealot.

[plush mason]

i damn hope so

we need more long coats

[sinful crater]

i want more free cosmetic before they add more payed one

[plush mason]

"free"

aka fuck over your team to get it

[sinful crater]

no i'm talking of the one you can purchase to the shop with ordo docket, we only have the alternate color for the leveling cosmetic, but not for the one unlocked throught penance

[plush mason]

ohhh

honestly they should have just done what DRG does and just make us grind endlessly for the skins

[lilac wave]

Unfortunately Darktide is probably a lot more expensive to make than DRG. They can't afford to be as generous.

[plush mason]

ye

[copper light]

I’d like to see more camo patterns in the shop too. Be cool to have reskins of the paid shop stuff too

[plush mason]

ofc im glad DT isnt as grind and rng heavy as DRG is

[copper light]

Not the camos in the paid shop of course, but camos for the paid items in the docket shop would be dope

[plush mason]

i would love to be able to dye the skins. because i love the look of the steel legion coat but hate the color yellow

its ok as an accent color but never the main

[sinful crater]

did they have said if we will have new this week or not?

[plush mason]

#general-chat may be able to answer that, assuming its not a complete shitshow rn

ok why do i have shackles? like is that some symbolic thing maybe?

[sinful crater]

repentia

it feel like a sort of repentia thing

you have the word repent on one of the shoulder is another hint to it... and if i'm right this is the armor of sister something something

[plush mason]

sister-in-wrath

which is the name of the group

the sisters-in-wrath

which seem to be a local group of all female murder hobos

why is the imperium crawling with murder hobos?

[celest dome]

Why is 40k crawling with murder hobos

[plush mason]

like how do these groups move around the sectors like some seem to be able to?

true

[honest trellis]

pilgrimages

[sinful crater]

zealot are a group full of murder hobos for be fair

[honest trellis]

not even once

[plush mason]

but like for these little cults how do they move around their systems like they seem to? do they just book passage with any ship they can or something?

[honest trellis]

Yes

It may not be reliable and may not be pleasant but there are ways to transport a LOT of people around locally

[plush mason]

makes sense

likely dont need warp travel for such things

[sinful crater]

plus allowing pilgrimage allows to make them cultivate more faith

[plush mason]

and or kill more possible heretics

[sinful crater]

militant cult are something that exist for long after all

[arctic talon]

Death cults are very much tolerated

As long as they’re worshipping the emperor

[celest dome]

And prove themselves useful

Otherwise they still would be purged

[sinful crater]

they are easy to control, if they go too overboard you send a priest abdomish them and they will be scared to death.

or better you send a sororitas and they will beg to be forgiven and ask what they need to do... and they will be send somewhere to fight heretic... at best they will be usefull or die while trying to purge heretic

[plush mason]

yeah thats the only thing i find strange. you would think the imperium would fully embrace such cults not just tolerate them

[sinful crater]

mostly because they are easy to manipulate, like i have said, it work in the two sense... you can make them do the imperium work.... or work against the imperium...

[plush mason]

so its "why are these people on the outsides of society when they should be in the center?" kind of thing

[plush mason]

tbf if they are willing to turn against the emperor and his imperium then they are not true fanatics

[sinful crater]

that the point they will turn without knowing... an example, let's say a death cult is a bit overboard a changeling can go impersonating a priest and tell them that some city is filled with heretic in hidding and that they need to go purge them.... exept it's not a heretic town and they will kill, murder and purge innocent people.

and the worst, it's when they are launch they will not stop before river of blood will be filled

[celest dome]

I mean, the Sororitas were a Death Cult initially

[plush mason]

there is no such thing as innocence in the imperium but i get what you are saying

[queen chasm]

Do you think the Emperor is disappointed in Humanity?

[celest dome]

Yes

[sinful crater]

yeah without forget that blood for the emperor and skull for the golden throne can easily turn into blood for the blood's god and skull for the skull throne

[plush mason]

which again makes the lukewarm treatment the other death cults get all the stranger

[sinful crater]

you did see the reaction of gulliman when he did see the mankind? imagine the emperor that did see that happend unable to stop it.

[plush mason]

did not godblight say that he knowns what is going on in the imperium still but just doesnt care anymore? that all he cares about is beating chaos and that he has lost his humanity?

[sinful crater]

that what happend when you feed someone 1000 soul a day...

[plush mason]

ye

so to answer the question. no he is not disappointed as he simply no longer cares about humans

and that is the emperor of 40k sadly

[nocturne crest]

Poor emps.

[sinful crater]

the question is how much of the original emperor remain in the golden throne

[celest dome]

The Sororitas were elevated because Van Dire wanted a personal army, simple as

[plush mason]

it seems to be very little sadly

[sinful crater]

honestly i'm surprise he didn't become a god of the warp already

[plush mason]

given in the afore mentioned book he burned a swath of nurgle's garden i say he is damn near one by now

[nocturne crest]

He needs more cowbell souls.

[sinful crater]

maybe it's the golden throne that is shackle him to the material plane, i means with all the faith and emotion the mankind feel for him, if he was a being of the warp...who know what power he will have

[nocturne crest]

Well, maybe he would have his own version of daemon princes

[celest dome]

I mean, the Throne is a tool to focus and balance the Psyker on it, so it's quite possible the coalescence would be prevented from it

[queen chasm]

Whut bout the Oygrns he can't be disappointed with them?

[celest dome]

Living Saints ?

[sinful crater]

the difference between saint and devil is only a thin line

[nocturne crest]

Like the saints from the SOB?

[sinful crater]

celestine?

[nocturne crest]

See, I was thinking more of Ferrus Manus spirit being used as a leader of those ghost space marine loyalists who name is escaping me.

[celest dome]

Not exclusively

But yes

[celest dome]

Legion of the Damned

And they are closer to Daemon of the Emperor

[last lagoon]

Iirc theres some cases of Imperial guard guys that are "are they living saints or just weird stuff?"

[nocturne crest]

Thank you.

[last lagoon]

Have to track it down but I remember a commander suppossedly being dead but coming back glowing (?)

Dont remember if it was in a codex or somewhere else

[sinful crater]

you have a universe where daemon exist, a woman without power can revive herself and have wing.... i means anything is possible!

[plush mason]

is it a coincidence that the legion of the damned look like the spirits of vengeance from marvel? likely not

[nocturne crest]

Where is my Ciaphas cain Saint then, GW?

With a little Saint Jurgen next to him.

[sinful crater]

i means if yarrick is really dead, i will not be surprise that the ork will revive him, because for them he can't be dead....and when ork think something happend... it happend

[nocturne crest]

I wonder what would happen if Yarrick had thought a genestealer instead

Would he take the genestealer's arm as his own?

[last lagoon]

Not gonna happen lol

[sinful crater]

yeah, but it's possible, that what i means anything is possible in this universe...

[last lagoon]

"Maybe 4 arms aint a bad idea"

Its not possible

How could orks ressurect Yarrick

[plush mason]

yeah the ork power of belief doesnt work like that

it doesnt make things work like the memes claim it just makes them work better

[nocturne crest]

Maybe the admech are putting Yarrick in a dreadnought of his own.

[plush mason]

that is much more likely tbh

[sinful crater]

worst... turn him into a baneblade

[last lagoon]

New dreadnought pattern pog

[plush mason]

if any human deserves the honor it is Yarrick

[nocturne crest]

Imperial guard and Sisters of battles dreadnought become a thing.

[plush mason]

they use to be a thing actually

just minus the whole "half dead pilot" thing

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[last lagoon]

SoB have the uhh

[sinful crater]

i think it will not happend, it's highly possible GW did found yarrick becoming too big for a simple human

[last lagoon]

I forgot their name

[sinful crater]

mortifier?

[nocturne crest]

Penitent engine?

[last lagoon]

That

[plush mason]

ye

[nocturne crest]

Yeah, I understand that they're the walker vehicle for the SOB, but they're not meant for people who do good by the SOB.

[sinful crater]

they are a punishement

[plush mason]

they are how the SOB do mercy lol

a way for the sinner to redeem themselves

[sinful crater]

don't forget the part where the person inside it, suffer all the time

[plush mason]

well there are 2 kinds

[nocturne crest]

Then again, I suppose the SoB wouldn't like the concept of being put into a dreadnought.

Frying means you get to meet the emperor.

[plush mason]

the normal one with the pilot just strapped to a rake basically the one with the iron maiden the pilot is locked in. the later is for sisters that commit a truly great sin and must be punished

[sinful crater]

i want a SoB as class ^^

[plush mason]

just make female zealot

is literally just a wanabe SOB murder hobo

[nocturne crest]

Maybe they will adapt those inquisition guys who have the black shields and power swords.

[last lagoon]

Be interesting to see if they do implement some sort of quasi power armour to the game

[sinful crater]

crusader?

[last lagoon]

Since Inquisitors can have full power armour

Just make a lesser version for your more trusted rejects that are getting the job done

[sinful crater]

power armor for human exist

[plush mason]

those arent inquisitorial forces they are ecclesiarchial forces actually

[last lagoon]

Yeah

[sinful crater]

and you even have some in the astra militarum

[last lagoon]

Thats what I said lol

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[plush mason]

like with the inquisition they dont really have a direct force save the main ordo's specific chamber militants. the forces an inquisitor commands are what ever they can get normally

most of the inquisition is built around soft power. reputation and connections with those with the hard power

[sinful crater]

i begin to think that grendel is someone of the council of moebian sector

some voice line seems to say that grendel organization is massive... what don't fit for a normal inquisitor

[last lagoon]

I mean

It can

[sinful crater]

in the new mission when you are in the elevator the pilot talk about it.

[plush mason]

a lord inquisitor can command a massive fleet if they want to/need to

[last lagoon]

Inquisitors are so massively varied that each Inquisitor is basically unique from each other

[plush mason]

they can start whole crusades

[nocturne crest]

Then again, crusaders don't have access to ranged weapons...

[last lagoon]

Theres not really a "normal" Inquisitor

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

Yeah theres not a standard

Grendel is perfectly in line with other Inquisitors we see

Some Inquisitors cruise around with whole Battlefleets and chapters

[plush mason]

like does not a lot of the lore of the inquisition come from a TT RPG originally? one where the players are the inquisitor and their retinue?

[sinful crater]

they are generally commanding a crusade when that happend, and outside them retinue don't ahve a lot of force that belong to them.... here grendel have enough strenght for send a warband away to deal with a uprising and send his interrogator... i doubt he have no one around him for help him in his task.

[dusk patrol]

This just isn't true

Some Inquisitors, and this is extreme, but some literally have a whole starfort, dozens of Grey Knights, and entire fleets in their direct command at all times.

[sinful crater]

they are super rare case... not the norm

[dusk patrol]

There is no norm

[last lagoon]

But there is no norm

[dusk patrol]

And Grendel doesn't have to be the norm anyways if there was one

Atoma isn't a norm.

Some Inquisitors just run around by themselves with no help.

Some bring massive armies everywhere.

Some have the more classic Eisenhorn retinue.

[plush mason]

the way i understand it is, inquisitors all have a "i can do what i want" card from big e himself but said card is only accepted by people that know them

[dusk patrol]

There's limits, and newer Inquisitors tend to need to build reputation and influence.

But yeah mostly

[plush mason]

ye

[nocturne crest]

Any chance of the zealot getting a Condemnor Bolter?

[dusk patrol]

Also, often times an Inquisitor will inherit a lot of the resources and contacts of his or her mentor.

[dusk patrol]

Idk what you expect us to say

It could happen I guess, but its impossible for us to say

[sinful crater]

it's already a miracle a zealot did get a bolter

[plush mason]

i sure as hell hope so. the alt fire shooting the crossbow would be sick

[nocturne crest]

Tbh, I'm just curious how common that type of bolter is.

[plush mason]

bolters are fairly common in the imperium

[sinful crater]

the trouble is not get your hand on a bolter for human, it's to be able to use well

[mystic geyser]

It's only used by a handful of Inquisitors, so I'd say very rare.

[plush mason]

if literal gangers can have them just about anyone can

[sinful crater]

i will not be surprise if we learn that at some point the zealot was means to be a SoB and that why they have access to thunder hammer and bolter

[dusk patrol]

Not very but who knows what FS will choose to do

Tbh we don't really know since we almost never see them

[dusk patrol]

They have access to a pretty low tier Thunderhammer and a normal human bolter.

That's not really that nuts

All of the power weapons in the game are pretty subpar versions

[mystic geyser]

Ecchlesiarchy can generally get good gear

[plush mason]

oh did they mean the comdemnor? afaik they are rare and specific to members of the ordo hereticus iirc

[sinful crater]

thunder hammer in the game is an insult to the thunder hammer (sorry i had to say it)

[nocturne crest]

Wait, are there others?

[plush mason]

i thought you meant bolters in general lol

[dusk patrol]

It is an Ordo Hereticus weapon

So maybe

Idk, we only ever see it being used by Inquisitors is the issue

[sinful crater]

depend of how they will continue the story from the level 30 cut scene

[mystic geyser]

I mean if Grendyl has access to them it's not totally implausible he'd lend them out

[plush mason]

and like afaik the comdemnor bolter is special to hereticus because it is made to kill psykers. the crossbow fires a bolt of pure silver that has runes of warding on it or something like that so it can just one shot a psyker if you hit them in the head with it

[mystic geyser]

A psyker enemy could be fun.

[plush mason]

ye

[sinful crater]

plus outside of the daemonhost, we don't have fight a lot of psyker

[plush mason]

ye

[sinful crater]

at best we will get a boss psyker from the cult

i don't see them adding them as elite/special

[mystic geyser]

I can see it working. Something that messes with your vision maybe

[sinful crater]

i means it will be possible to have multiple psyker at the same time in high difficulty

[mystic geyser]

See ghosts.. see friendlies as enemies... eyes bleeding blocking vision

[sinful crater]

you think suppression is not bad enough want to add more stuff to make us have hard time to aim?

[nocturne crest]

So the comdemnor the only bolter that using a crossbow action?

[plush mason]

yes afaik

also the crossbow is just on top

its a combi weapon

there is a normal bolter under it

[dusk patrol]

Its basically a bolter with a crossbow for fucking up psykers and warp corrupted dudes

[plush mason]

yup

[nocturne crest]

Ah.

[dusk patrol]

because GW wanted a person in 40k with a crossbow

[plush mason]

yup

[nocturne crest]

So currently, it would only be potentially good against daemonhost then?

[mystic geyser]

And the beast of nurgle

[plush mason]

it would fuck that thing up ye

the crossbow is your classic thrice blessed monster killer

[mystic geyser]

Being good against all the bosses would be a niche

[plush mason]

yeah

[mystic geyser]

Sacrifice being able to hit things with your bolter

[nocturne crest]

Maybe if they do a sequel to the game, they could adapt it in if the enemies are followers of the changer.

[plush mason]

nah just make the crossbow the alt fire

[nocturne crest]

Add those new possessed cultists as well to it.

[plush mason]

and make it limited with no way to replace in bolts in the mission

so you have to save it for the bosses

[nocturne crest]

Create an achievement where if you use it against a rank and file cultist, you get mocked by the game for doing som

[plush mason]

by alt fire i mean special action btw. i got those mixed up lol

[mystic geyser]

Which is bash for bolter, so swap that

[plush mason]

ye

like gameplay wise it could work

[nocturne crest]

Voice lines from marrow, hadron or zola telling you what a fuck up you are through out the entire mission for miss using the crossbow bolter

[plush mason]

ye

those bolts have to be expensive/ hard to make

[mystic geyser]

Then clench when Grendyl himself tells you off

And deletes your account.

😂

[plush mason]

LOL

[nocturne crest]

It's how you unlock the servitor class.

[plush mason]

LOL

[mystic geyser]

Arco flagellant

Only dialogue is [Internal Screaming]

[nocturne crest]

Veteran would be servitor then.

Misusing a krak grenade or something.

[plush mason]

if i see a krak grenade in a patch note ima get nervous

those are anti vic grenades afaik

[mystic geyser]

From a certain perspective, everything is a vehicle

[nocturne crest]

Even you.

You're a vehicle for your brain.

[plush mason]

so if we get those it would mean the heretics got themselves a tank

[nocturne crest]

Hopefully, it will be a malacador tank.

Or a hellhound.

[plush mason]

nah atoma makes special lemen russ tanks

[mystic geyser]

It would be pretty sweet to fight a battle on top of a baneblade

[nocturne crest]

What if it's something like a chaos sentinel?

[plush mason]

the scout or the up armored one?

[nocturne crest]

Either.

See, I think a fight against a leman Russ would be too much

[plush mason]

well i mean the scout version you dont need anti vic for. just shoot the guy driving

[waxen oxide]

https://youtu.be/oGOR-_K4vX4

Maybe it'll interest some peeps.

[nocturne crest]

There are enough guns for each member of the varlots

[plush mason]

ye

but none of them can cover its ass >:)

get behind it. toss some kraks on its engine, walk away

[nocturne crest]

Don't look at the explosion.

[plush mason]

yup

[nocturne crest]

But, there is a 1 in 10 chance you'll get knocked down by a piece of shrapnel.

[plush mason]

yup

[nocturne crest]

Huh. The knight houses have their milita field their own version of the leman russ.

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWCSjBKsn7U
so did GW really bring the grudges thing from fantasy dwarves to the votaan?

[nocturne crest]

Probably.

[celest dome]

Somewhat, but they are closer to the Flying Dwarf from AoS than the Fantasy Dwarf

[plush mason]

k

[vital kernel]

Charged Plasma shot can hurt it well enough.

[nocturne crest]

Could it?

[celest dome]

Melta would be able to damage severely the Tank

But I don't think they would work apart as set piece

Like an Assassination target or something (So that it doesn't have to care about ledges and stuff

[mystic geyser]

Plasma in game would bounce off the front of a Russ, but could mess up the rear.

back when facings mattered...

[vital kernel]

Eh, I doubt Plasma bounces off anything

It's basically the heat jet of a modern HEAT Shell but pure energy.

[celest dome]

Isn't it described as super heated jelly like in the lore ?

But still there are other stuff that can work other than armoured vehicle as monster that we don't yet have

Like a Plague Bullgryn (easy to make) which would be more armoured, but slower and have a Blighted grenade launcher (Like the Ratogre and Stormfiend)

Both Chaos Spawn and Nightmare Hulk (Both would have some common points)

[nocturne crest]

Doesn't chaos orgyn take multiple hits to take down with a plasma weapon.

[vital kernel]

I think Plague Ogryn is plenty tough enough as it is on Heresy+.
An Armored Plague Ogryn would just gatekeep many weapons even harder.

[celest dome]

The Stormfiend and the Ratogre are both the same base, but they aren't more difficult than one another

[signal bramble]

Well the ones that took a ton of hits were chaos corrupted and drugged up on combat stims in the siege of Vraks.

Nothing outside of direct headshots was going to make them really stop.

[simple sparrow]

One PC voice line mentions a comment that inquisitorial agents are above the law in some aspects if I recall correctly. Is that true?

[storm jungle]

Yes.

You are literally space Gestapo/CIA/KGB

[celest dome]

Term and condition may apply

[simple sparrow]

Oh that's fun. I feel like it's weird then that the PC is just accepted into it just because they saved a high ranking person's life. But I guess that's the whole premise of why the PC is there in the first place

[celest dome]

Like as long as you have the backing of an inquisitor you're virtually untouchable (Until the Inquisitor either throw you away, or fall from grace)

[celest dome]

Oh, just to be clear, we are not important enough that the Inquisitor would safe guard us

[dusk patrol]

Also if say, someone with more power decides that’s not cash money

[celest dome]

We're replaceable

And expandable

[simple sparrow]

Sadge

[barren tapir]

We also got accepted because they needed people, not because we saved Zola

Sure, it can also be the diamond among the dirt thing, but we know that it wasn't because our beautiful faces that we got in

[simple sparrow]

I was initially annoyed how they kept going "you need to prove yourself, ok now you need to prove yourself more" but it makes more sense now

[celest dome]

They basically are telling us to not get ahead of ourself, because if we are successful (in theory) enough we could start gunning for their posts)

[simple sparrow]

So the PC is not a full inquisitorial agent then? The whole leveling process is more like a big audition?

[barren tapir]

Yes, but it is an audition to an audition, since at lvl 30 we get in the warband, but that still doesn't mean we are full members

[celest dome]

Basically the Inquisition is a very stratified employer
On local level you have the Inquisitor, who is the only one that can in fact decide of stuff
Then there are close by Acolytes, mentee and other such stuff
Then you have the broader acolytes, who usually work for different acolytes
Then you have a few other lower levels:
Inquisitorial Troops, who act as the main army
Warband, who act as agents and source of potential acolytes
And a few other possible groups

In theory the closest we have to our Inquisitor is the Interrogator, Rasknit or something

[simple sparrow]

Gotcha

Thanks for the info

Also I didn't realize that the plague is actually called the zombie plague

This whole time I've been like "huh, these hordes are just like zombies"

[fallen marsh]

I think Dark Heresy had some pictures with that. Basicaly there inquisitor and directly under him interrogator. After that you have Agents of the Throne who are official part of Inquisition. And there are also various levels of acolytes that differ depending on inquisitor. But they are not officialy part of inquisition and don't hold much power.

Although its old lore.

[signal bramble]

Inquisitorial authority is a law unto itself and in theory is only overridden by the word of big E himself. At least on paper anyway.

If an inquisitor sends their agent to do something and someone tries to get in their way even after they’ve invoked inquisition authority it can get ugly.

[sinful crater]

we did seen this with the month of shame

[storm jungle]

It was majorily GW trying to cash in on the MASSIVE popularity of zombies in television/film media in the mid 2000's, it was a big deal and they wanted their cut of it in their fanbase.

[signal bramble]

But I say “on paper” because if an inquisitor were to do something like walk up to a chapter master in his fortress monastery and start yelling orders? Well the chapter master isn’t going to appreciate that. So when dealing with something like the Astartes a smart inquisitor will use a bit of tact.

[sinful crater]

i confirm grimnar didn't appreciate, did kill joros (a grey knight) and the inquisitor at the end

[signal bramble]

Exactly my point.

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day

What matters is who has more guns

[signal bramble]

And even then the Astartes may try anyway.

[sinful crater]

more.... at the end of the day, as reject that don't concern us haha

[signal bramble]

Or another example is dealing with the Admech. They’re not as likely to directly oppose the inquisitor but it’s been stated in the books they certainly make them wait and give them a hard time.

seemingly more out of spite than anything else.

[dusk patrol]

Blood Angels and Dark Angels both have cases of disappearing Inquisitors who snoop a bit too close

[sinful crater]

which idiot will try to get close of the dark angel matter?

[signal bramble]

They fell out of an airlock on to some bolter shells.

[dusk patrol]

That’s kinda the point of Inquisitors

[signal bramble]

Inquisitor Sabbathiel.

[dusk patrol]

They investigate everyone, including themselves

[signal bramble]

She’s in the comics and got a follow up novel.

When she learned about the Fallen she tried to have the Astartes declared traitors and wiped out. As in all of the Astartes, every last one of them, in the entire imperium.

[sinful crater]

ouch

[dusk patrol]

This did not work out for her

[signal bramble]

She ended up getting shot in the stomach by a GK storm Bolter and survived somehow.

But she’s been told to just let the fallen matter go and keep it to herself.

[sinful crater]

she did survive a stormbolter shoot of GK?

[dusk patrol]

Somehow

[sinful crater]

i means if she get shoot in the stomach it must have cut her in two

[dusk patrol]

She’s a huge hypocrite though

Literally uses daemons

[barren tapir]

There is also the fact that some inquisitors think to have authority over people that they don't... Like inquisitors trying to command custodes

[dusk patrol]

And then like a genius summons the Grey Knights to help her wipe out the Dark Angels

And gets executed because the dude is like “uh yeah lady you’re working with daemons”

[barren tapir]

Like, theoretically speaking they don't have any authority over Ad. Mech. but they like to act like they do

[signal bramble]

The Admech have their own version of the inquisition anyway. The collegiate Extremis.

[barren tapir]

Yeah, that predate the imperial one too

Well, the entire Ad. Mech. predate the imperium

[dusk patrol]

They still have authority over them

The Ad Mechs whole complete independence ended during the Heresy

And the Inquisitions power just kinda goes wherever, but they tend to have the political ability to demand more proof or justification for investigation

A lot of factions have levels of power where it’s really hard for the Inquisition to actually try to investigate

Even with marines they almost always deal with stuff in house

[barren tapir]

The treaty is still active

[dusk patrol]

Yes but their complete independence ended during the Heresy, the one novella goes into it

Where they march the Imperator up to the senate

The Binary Succession

Its an audiobook sorry

Pretty good although it’s basically all politics

But basically the loyalist elements wanted to succeed from the Mechanicum and create their own Fabricator-General who was “the real one” now

[barren tapir]

Yeah, i know that, but it is more about changing name but not substance

[dusk patrol]

And the senate didn’t wanna do it, until the marched an Imperator up to the senate, when they decided ok

[barren tapir]

It was to make so that the fabricator general position wasn't occupied by two people at the same time

[dusk patrol]

It integrated them into the Imperium government

Not completely, and it’s still it’s own thing in a lot of ways

[celest dome]

For all intent and purposes the Admech still retain a lot of self gouvernance on their Forge Worlds

[dusk patrol]

But the Heresy made them more integrated within the Imperium

They talk about it in that audibook and others

I believe it’s one reason some Mechanicum people oppose it

[barren tapir]

It is not inside the goverment since it isn't part of the Adeptus Terra, is on the same level of the adeptus terra

[dusk patrol]

I mean they literally have large sections of Terra which are Ad Mech and a High Lord position

[barren tapir]

Embassies are those sections

And the high lord position is because of the huge importance the Ad. Mech. has within imperial society

Like the ecclesiarchy does

[dusk patrol]

Ok

[vital kernel]

It was a political move, and not a bad one.
By becoming thr Adeptus Mechanicus, the Mechanicum nominally became part of the Imperiums Structure, while remaining at the highest level of it, similar to the Adeptus Custodes.
If it had remained the Mechanicum, there would have been a strong point to be made that half of the Mechanicum went traitor, and going forward the Mechanicus should fall under stricter Imperial control, or god forbid even had to pay reparations. In any case it could have likely ended up as a vassal of the Imperium going forward, rather than the equal of it. Becoming the Admech kills two birds with one stone.
1, the traitorous components are no longer part of the same organisation
2, the Admech keeps it's current level of autonomy mostly intact, at least supreme control of their domains.

That should not be underestimated, it also kept the power of recognizing their own Fabricator General.

[barren tapir]

Yeah, it was just a change of name, since nothing really changed about separation of powers and authorities

The fabricator general was already a member of the council of terra

And what became known as adeptus mechanicus still kept the traty of mars active, so full separation of the two empires

[simple sparrow]

Eh I feel like it works with the theme of nurgle

[storm jungle]

Yeah I'm not saying it doens't.

[vital kernel]

Nurgle Zombies have been a thing since the 90s I think

[storm jungle]

That was majorily Fantasy

and even then Chaos hated the Undead so its a bit complicated

[celest dome]

The Nurglite Zombies of old weren't truly undead, they were more like the Last of us Mushroom zombies

[simple sparrow]

On a different note I just learned about the Rite of Setesh and that's fucking horrifying

The deeper I dive into 40k lore the darker it gets

[stone perch]

Where can I read or watch up on this?

Oh this is what those mars cultists do

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Rite_of_Setesh

[celest dome]

I'm not sure Mars does it, at least not legally

Overtly

[gusty sequoia]

why there is titians with building on top of him

[celest dome]

Because we can thats why

Big enough to have a cathedral so why not have one

Presentation and stuff

[gusty sequoia]

can titans be like airbase

[celest dome]

You could

But there isn't really practical reasons to do that

[barren tapir]

Why having something reasonable like that when you can have a gothic cathedral instead?

[celest dome]

Having more Dakka would be more useful than having airplanes

[barren tapir]

Debatable, since ariplanes are dakka and are dakka that can give you more coverage, both for defense and offense

There is a reason if aircraft carriers have become more important than destroyers for sea battles

[celest dome]

Artillery

More Dakka

[barren tapir]

Artillery cannot shoot near your foot for titans, while airplanes could... Artillery has a range inferior to ariplanes still

Air superiority hasn't become a must in war because you could have artillery

[desert solstice]

Are mortis operatives from the legio mortis?

[mystic geyser]

No.

[desert solstice]

or is mortis a *just title forfrom the warband?

or rank?

[barren tapir]

Mortis is a title/rank that is used by the inquisitor, no there is no already established lore about it, it is highly probable that it is how the most expert agents in the service of Grendyl are called

[desert solstice]

"death operatives"

pretty metal. Hopefully we get more lore

[mystic geyser]

Yeah, could use fleshing out

[lilac wave]

There aren't lore tabs or anything on the skins?

[mystic geyser]

Only the shop ones that I've seen..

[desert solstice]

the frame says we're not permitted to know anything about mortis operatives

even tho we essentially become one via wearing the armor

[mystic geyser]

Well there you are.

[desert solstice]

shrug

[lilac wave]

Guess it's something adjacent to Black Ops. They're sketchy and secret and do sketchy, secret things.

[storm jungle]

Basically

Game =/= Lore

also like

Mort/Mortis is literally one THE MOST overused latin/death words in fiction

dont think too much about it, its there because it sounds cool

[desert solstice]

GW moment

[arctic talon]

You mean every fucking company ever

[desert solstice]

so basically unless GW acknowledges it's existence it's essentially FatShark homebrew?

[arctic talon]

Most games gameplay isn’t accurate to their own universes lore

And no darktide is canon

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

To the universe

The gameplay itself is a bit less

[storm jungle]

you just need to seperate it from the actual gameplay

[arctic talon]

Canon

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Like

we ARE sending thousands of rejects to do missions

some make it

some dont

the vendors are also pretty lore accurate

you arent even using real money

you are using inquisitorial dockets

something the ship gives to the rejects as currency

[lilac wave]

Inquisition fun bucks.

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Company script kekw

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY THIS

[arctic talon]

It’s literally worthless

[storm jungle]

yep

[arctic talon]

Outside of the ship

[storm jungle]

i love that too

they easily could have made it Thrones/Imperial currency but didnt

and thats great

[arctic talon]

The actual imperial currency

Is used at the premium store

Which is really funny

[storm jungle]

LMAO

I FORGOT

[arctic talon]

Also the player characters complain about the prices lol

Fatshark is aware

[signal bramble]

The imperium also doesn’t have a centralized bank anyway. 40k games usually make up currencies so they can have an economic system.

[arctic talon]

They just don’t care enough lul

[storm jungle]

They kinda do

but like

Aquilas encompass 60%

[arctic talon]

They have sector wide currencies usually

[storm jungle]

anything else is random currency

[storm jungle]

yeah this

[arctic talon]

The 3 big ones are Thrones, Aquillas, and Credits

[storm jungle]

Its basically like our IRL currency, theres always the dominant ones and the lesser known ones.

[signal bramble]

My point still stands. There’s no centralized imperial bank for the whole thing. :p

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

But inquisitorial dockets

Are literal fake money lol

[desert solstice]

this makes sense, but it's sort of understandable just like how the VT2 characters are their own heros and have their plot armor so is your character just only from your perspective. But ye i get it.

I do wish they kept the loop kinda more consistent tho, kinda like in deeprock. If you fail a mission the lose screen shows everyone extracted, but are just very clearly injured and didn't complete the mission or were recovered.

[signal bramble]

But usually the imperium’s interplanetary economy involves barter. Which is the basis of all economic systems anyway.

[arctic talon]

VT2 is more “canon” in terms of their strength

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Mostly since they’re all “hero” characters

[storm jungle]

the Ubersreik 5 are also hero tier characters

[arctic talon]

On the tabletop

Yeah

[storm jungle]

who actually massacre entire armies

we less so

[arctic talon]

Also by the final career classes

Well

Warrior Priests, Grail Knights and Sisters of the Thorn

Are really really expensive on a tabletop points perspective

[storm jungle]

Astartes tier killing-machines basically yep

[arctic talon]

Me when a single grail knight kills 40 skaven in one turn and makes another 20 run

[lilac wave]

Yeah, I do imagine like...our guys as people who are actually getting shit done are pretty elite as far as humans go. Any human who can fight on relatively equal terms with ogryn is pretty badass.

[arctic talon]

Yeah our humans are def above average

Like way above average

[lilac wave]

Any human who'd be issued a fucking thunder hammer.

[desert solstice]

on a unit level for Darktide sure, but given the amount of creative freedom and open to interpretation your character is. I think we are our own "heros" with just more creative freedom. For game's like this it's just assumed you're usually cut from a different cloth than the rank and file grunt.

[arctic talon]

I mean we are “heros”

[desert solstice]

As it's more interesting.

[arctic talon]

But the VT2 characters are like

Literal near immortal characters on the tabletop

And in lore

The only 2 are Baradin and sienna

Mostly since Outcast engineer isn’t a thing on the tabletop

And Sienna hasn’t gotten a 4 class yet

[desert solstice]

Ye. Tho i do like the fact we get to make our own. Feels more personal, and homebrewey. I just wish our background affects more of the game/voicelines.

Mainly voicelines

[lilac wave]

Yeah, it'd be great but like...the amount of voice lines recorded is already insanely large.

[arctic talon]

^

I would have rather each of the voice personalities

Be their own pre defined character

Bcs they pretty much already are

But that’s just me

[dusk patrol]

Honestly if anything some of them are undersold by the game

Grail Knights get nuts in lore

It’s variable for all but Warrior Priests and Sisters of the Thorn can be nutty too

[desert solstice]

not against this either, i do wish the professional and loose cannon get more personality for vet. I re rolled my vet to the cadian cause out of the three he just has the most "personality". Imo.

[arctic talon]

The other 2 have a lot of personality

They just don’t show it unless specific Characters are around

It’s weird how the system is crafted

[lilac wave]

This I get, but like...maybe it's differient when you've been playing Warhammer Table Top RPGs forever. I'm so hyped to be able to recreated old and current Dark Heresy characters.

[desert solstice]

Professional just feels like diet Cadian

[arctic talon]

Nah I get that for sure

Professional very much doesn’t like Cadians

[storm jungle]

Cadian is pretty tryhard too

[arctic talon]

Or religious extremists

Unlike the cadian

[storm jungle]

hes literally 2 steps from becoming a chaos worshipper

[arctic talon]

Professional is okay with psykers

Surprisingly

Still doesn’t trust them tho lul

[lilac wave]

Hey, being filled with the Emperor's Righteous Fury does not mean you're close to being a chaos worshipper.

[desert solstice]

i think he's just traumatized. Ik he has 1 line where he questions his faith.

[arctic talon]

The Loose cannon really shows a lot of personality with the judge around

[desert solstice]

But i think he's just mega ptsd

[lilac wave]

The Emperor needs skulls for his throne.

[arctic talon]

Mostly since they mention a lot of uh

[heavy talon]

On a scale of 1 to Exterminatus, how heretical would it be to name your child Terra?

[arctic talon]

things

[storm jungle]

None

[arctic talon]

0

Fucks sake you could prolly name ur kid lorgar

And no one would bat an eye

Now something like Horus and there would be some uh

Questions

[storm jungle]

just name him uh

Rusho to be sure

no one will know

[desert solstice]

my favorite line isn't from the Cadian but the "my beloved" Psyker telling the cadian that "that, my beloved says Cadia wasn't your fault". Which is depressing.

[storm jungle]

I mean it wasnt

the Cadian just has a big victim complex

shit happens

he just cant move on

[desert solstice]

Ye, but the fact that i might be the emp himself telling him that makes it sadder

[storm jungle]

No its me the player doing it trust me

[desert solstice]

or Zeentch

[storm jungle]

[desert solstice]

but i'd like to think it's the big man

fits better

[storm jungle]

my favorite theory is the Beloved is either You or Big E

both work pretty well

[desert solstice]

it's clear that it's that the Psyker thinks it's the Big E, but how we know he's not just getting tricked by Zeentch (however u spell his name) who knows

too many references/ direct lines say the beloved being on a golden throne

or on Terra

[storm jungle]

the golden throne is my PC set

[desert solstice]

also souls being sacrificed to him

could also be secret option number 3

could sometimes be Big E, Sometimes Zeentch, and sometimes other Chaos gods

friend of mine says he sometimes hear's Khorne

or what he thinks is Khorne

the foreshortened lifespans is an outlier tho, that's for sure Schizo 4th wall break

[lilac wave]

I believe I've heard a line that clarifies it being Big E. Used to not like the guy, but after hearing that it sort of grew on me. It's sorta cute.

Also

[dusk patrol]

[lilac wave]

Something that can some up for Psykers in dark heresy as a result of their sanctioning. Get married to the Emperor.

[desert solstice]

best theory is that it's the TTS emperor

[lilac wave]

They even give you a ring.

[dusk patrol]

There’s 100% people in 40k who take the uh

“Married to the Emperor” thing seriously

very seriously

[storm jungle]

^

Big E is not the worst husbando figure either

[lilac wave]

Absolutely, there's nothing in the holy texts that say the Emperor doesn't fuck.

[dusk patrol]

I mean if you had to be fake married to one person

Pretty good choice as far as 40k goes

Might as well pick one of the biggest fishes

Although it’s probably the normie choice

[lilac wave]

But like...if Sanguinius was also an option.

Everyone would pick him instead.

[dusk patrol]

I imagine being fake married to Sanguinius is the other normie choice

[desert solstice]

Theory for why Hadron is working w criminals is she said "access denied" to the captain general when attempting to meet w fabricator general*

[dusk patrol]

And Guilliman now

[desert solstice]

https://tenor.com/view/access-denied-warhammer-40k-skitarii-gif-16274440

[dusk patrol]

Tfw you’re trying to hit on the Sororitias girl but you lose out to some dude who got killed half a galaxy away 10,000 years ago and his body is kept the other half of the galaxy away.

[desert solstice]

(jokes aside there is a line where she does say the line, and if it's a reference it's veri funni)

[dusk patrol]

I feel like “Access Denied” is a pretty general statement

[desert solstice]

it's the pause that makes you question it

[dusk patrol]

Hmm

I’d have to hear them side by side

[desert solstice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_JWocwemqc

[lilac wave]

I want to imagine Guilliman learning about a weird tradition in the church where people get fake married to him. I mean obviously he'd remain calm and collected, but internally? He'd freak the fuck out.

[dusk patrol]

FS is gonna lose 1 cohesion point with me though if it is a reference

[lilac wave]

There's no way it's not a reference.

Also what the hell man? Who doesn't love TTS?

[dusk patrol]

I liked it

Then the community decided say every fucking line from it was hilarious every single time something came out

And beat it to hell

It got old very fast

[desert solstice]

eh it is sort of understandable, it's easily one of the best parody's that keeps the spirit of the original medium

[dusk patrol]

Also tbh, some of it hasn’t aged the best

It was better when I was younger