who are the white shields?
#40k-lore-chat
plush mason
plush mason
lol
urban spire
actually?
arctic talon
You used to field as many as possible
Bcs they can’t fail at orders like normal conscripts
arctic talon
actually?
Yeah
You can use child soldiers on the tabletop if you want lul
Or you can till the new codex comes out
urban spire
iirc the lore only implies most krieg soldiers are children, they actually just fuckin went there?
arctic talon
Since conscripts are gone
arctic talon
iirc the lore only implies most krieg soldiers are children, they actually just ...
Yeah
urban spire
not most, some
plush mason
Since conscripts are gone
wait what?
arctic talon
Whiteshields are cadian children and teens
urban spire
fuck, that's kinda tasteless
arctic talon
Conscripts and veterans aren’t in the new 9e codex
Veterans got replaced by shock troopers/death korp/catachans
Who serve the same purpose
plush mason
fuck, that's kinda tasteless
given where cadia is or well was its frankly expected honestly
arctic talon
fuck, that's kinda tasteless
Yeah it’s really fucked up
plush mason
ye
arctic talon
But Whiteshields are one of the only times GW just straight up goes
Yep
They’re child soldiers
urban spire
getting lost in the grimdark sauce
it's supposed to evoke the horrors of ww1 and 2, not fuckin present day issues
anyway
arctic talon
“Children you call them? They can pull a trigger just as well as veterans, and they have the spirit of a bull narthax. Call them children if you wish - I call them troops. Good troops.”
A real quote
From the codex
storm jungle
also to add
the opening of Cadia Stands has two cadian parents lift their child on their shoulder
plush mason
i mean the old roman legion system had the first 3 waves in the legion be the youngest of them with the least amount of training experience and equipment so such things have been sadly a part of humanity for a very long time
storm jungle
point at the Eye of Terror
and go
"Thats the people you must hate"
they more or less start to indoctrinate them from the get-go
dusk patrol
They have all their kids stare into it when they're young
arctic talon
But yeah the good old run as many conscripts as possible stratagy isn’t a thing anymore
dusk patrol
Then they take a willpower check
arctic talon
Because conscripts don’t exist anymore in the book
urban spire
and veterans are gone too huh
arctic talon
Veterans still exist sorta
The cadian shock trooper unit is pretty much the old veteran
urban spire
now we know how veteran sharpshooter ended up in prison
plush mason
Because conscripts don’t exist anymore in the book
i mean. arent all the rank and file of the guard conscripts technically?
urban spire
i wish there was a bunch of voicelines where veterans bitch about being on plasma duty
arctic talon
i mean. arent all the rank and file of the guard conscripts technically?
Ehhh sorta?
Conscripts on the tabletop represent like
Last minute conscripts
plush mason
ahh
arctic talon
Like you grabbed 30 people off the street
Give them guns and armor
And throw them on a battlefield
There’s a rule in crusade that turns them into a normal guardsmen squad
After your first battle
barren tapir
Elysians were all volunteers
urban spire
i mean. arent all the rank and file of the guard conscripts technically?
by our definition of conscript yes, every guardsman is tithed with or without their consent, however in 40k a tithed guardsman usually gets a bunch of training before they're thrown into the meat grinder, while a "conscript" is just given a gun, like two weeks of getting shouted at, then chucked into the rear axles of an ork trukk
plush mason
i get ya
arctic talon
But yeah the new guard codex is nasty
Ever want to shoot out a doomsday ark with a lemen russ
Well now you can
urban spire
lemon russ
plush mason
could be penal legion
ye. "here take these drugs and go kill people till you die"
arctic talon
Lemon Russ’s are spooky
urban spire
iirc penal legion equipment is more or less random
you get drugs if you're lucky
are there any good novels from a death korps perspective?
arctic talon
are there any good novels from a death korps perspective?
Dead men walking imo
It shows their mindset very well of how
They view fighting, casualties and death
haughty delta
?
arctic talon
The “leaked” transcript
Looks like someone’s fanfic
Lul
It’s so vague
About everything
storm jungle
yep same
arctic talon
But it looks like a bunch of bs rn
brittle slate
Eh, for someone who's risen to his level there aren't that many people who say good things about him
urban spire
yep, too early
brittle slate
but, too early
arctic talon
Tbf theres a lot of famous actors with people who don’t say a lot of good things about them
plush mason
https://fandomwire.com/he-wanted-complete-control-of-storylines-henry-cavill-acc...
a friend of mine said cavil left because the writers wouldnt given him a full nude scene like in the halo show
brittle slate
a friend of mine said cavil left because the writers wouldnt given him a full nu...
there was NOT a full nude scene of master chief was there?!?!?
crisp heath
I mean, even if it's true, this claims one of the biggest problems with him was that he didn't want to work on the project if he had to do romantic (or probably actually sexual since there is a love interest in the witcher) scenes or take off his shirt, which if a female actor said the said thing wouldn't be called "toxic"
plush mason
there was NOT a full nude scene of master chief was there?!?!?
wtf you mean a? there was at least 3
crisp heath
might raise some questions if she's taking the right jobs for her career, but it's not an insane thing to not want to do
arctic talon
there was NOT a full nude scene of master chief was there?!?!?
Bro there was a master chief sex scene
brittle slate
no NONONONONONONO
arctic talon
Where do you think all the master cheeks memes come from
brittle slate
NOONONONONONOOOOOOO
I have been spared them
I know about the prolonged knife-digging-ass thing
brittle slate
Well... Halo's dead now.
plush mason
Bro there was a master chief sex scene
with a human member of the covenant no less
crisp heath
Why is the amount of naked dude body Henry Cavill wants on a screen a recurring and conflicting theme with this show
brittle slate
with a human member of the covenant no less
BS...
plush mason
yes that show was nothing but BS
brittle slate
lol
urban spire
the show was pretty fine until... that
i spent some time just now going "wait i don't remember a sex scene" before remembering that i skipped it
it's deeply shitty
anyway moving on
do space marines have gnards?
arctic talon
do space marines have gnards?
They have the whole thing
brittle slate
they just don't work good
brittle slate
everyone's just so impressed by their size and weight
ugh. the novel was rough. the greyknight one
arctic talon
brittle slate
i believe it was: "what a waste" ~sister of battle... probably
plush mason
yeah again space marines are the embodiment of a 12 year old boy's ideal of manhood. so sex itsnt something they care for kek
urban spire
did i just walk into another terrible awful thing with my stupid little joke?
dusk patrol
better when they didn't
They never didn't have them tbh
Its just never been addressed
Outside of that one novel
brittle slate
Its just never been addressed
(so... didn't have them)
should have kept it speculation
instead of... the size... oh my... and the weight
dusk patrol
Back when they were just dudes the Crimson fists had kids to repopulate their world
dusk patrol
I mean its one novel where a lady implies the marine has a big schlong and its vaguely put
brittle slate
Could sail a ship with that bag.
But it's nice we have to subdivide the nuance yet again. Maybe a different topic.
dusk patrol
The novel is littered too with the marine in question being autistisc in not understanding attraction.
storm jungle
It more or less depends from marine to marine
Some dont care
Some understand romance but also dont care
crisp heath
Space marine dirty times is something still up for debate tbh
storm jungle
Some make winks but dont go beyond that
crisp heath
In Gaunts Ghosts a character claims his father was a space marine, this turns out to be untrue but it is something that people believe is possible
urban spire
my intention was to make a small silly joke to move us back into 40k
brittle slate
how dare you
crisp heath
I always read it as Space Marines are entirely capable of doing everything involved in making children, but the vast majority simply have no interest in it because they're machines of war
urban spire
yeah learned my lesson lmao
arctic talon
You’ve entered the space marine cock debate unfortunately
arctic talon
urban spire
please stop saying heavy
storm jungle
I always read it as Space Marines are entirely capable of doing everything invol...
They are most likely sterile entirely
the Emperor adresses this
arctic talon
Yeah
storm jungle
saying marines making kids would be disastrous
arctic talon
Big E didn’t want superhumans reproducing
storm jungle
^
dusk patrol
Also its not how their organs work anyways
urban spire
he DID want superhumans reproducing, but he wanted it to be entirely under his control, being the big fun eugenicist that he was
storm jungle
But yeah again entirely depends on the Marine/Chapter.
Some would legit know what romance is but some would not be interested in it at all.
dusk patrol
He wasn't really a eugenicist tbh
urban spire
hence the weird space marine reproductive cycle involving gene seeds and whatnot
storm jungle
Salamanders and Blood Angels are probably the closest you can get with some convincing lol
crisp heath
I think there's old lore that says space wolves sleep with mortal girls on Fenris, but it's not really brought up anymore
dusk patrol
They do prior to ascending
storm jungle
I think there's old lore that says space wolves sleep with mortal girls on Fenri...
That was only for Lukas the Trickster
urban spire
there are no girls on fenris
storm jungle
he says he uh "Does favors" for the women at times
dusk patrol
Because of how old they are when they get found
urban spire
girls are icky
arctic talon
I think there's old lore that says space wolves sleep with mortal girls on Fenri...
It’s recent and it’s Lukas saying he fucked a blood claws mom
urban spire
fenris is a boys only planet
arctic talon
It’s very much meant to be a crass joke
storm jungle
^
urban spire
that was a joke
storm jungle
The Wolves actually respect the old female serfs, its great 
also they got boys and girls literally acting as barmaids for them in their drinking halls
dusk patrol
There's places the Wolves aren't allowed at least typically
arctic talon
Kitchen
arctic talon
Could you imagine how pissed off the serf in charge of managing blood claw equipment would be
urban spire
guilliman is going to have a hell of a time convincing the spess woofs to un-hellworldify fenris
arctic talon
Think of how many goddamn weapons are lost
dusk patrol
Not even sure if that can tbh
storm jungle
Also yeah FYI the Fang is literally Hogwarts
All the Companies got their own places in it
dusk patrol
The whole planet is unstable
Its not like Baal
Continents literally shift
The Fang is located in one of the few places it isn't.
storm jungle
Yeee
and its implied its artificially done
well was
now its just how the planet does its thing
dusk patrol
Just another day on Fenris
storm jungle
average swedish morning
dusk patrol
^This is also close to the Fang, so its one of the more safe and stable areas
arctic talon
Lmfao the wolf priest just watching
urban spire
well they could just give them like, modern building techniques and stuff like wall insulation and air conditioning
crisp heath
Fenris is cold Catachan
dusk patrol
The above art is a potential Aspirant trying to make his way to the Fang
storm jungle
well they could just give them like, modern building techniques and stuff like w...
There is some actually
dusk patrol
Fenrisians are literally constructed differently.
storm jungle
but its like a few islands with iron age tech
dusk patrol
There was also a Hive World nearby
I think it got destroyed recently
Can't recall its name
dusk patrol
Midgardia
crisp heath
Fenrisians are literally half-wolf and half-heretic, they're great
storm jungle
But it might as well be
the entire population got liquidised yeah
this time the Wolves didnt object to the Inquisition doing it
dusk patrol
urban spire
WHAT ARE THOSE PANTS
storm jungle
ITS NOT EVEN 40K
dusk patrol
Its some silly homebrew, but we don't get any real art so
urban spire
literally the elysian jetpacks
um ackshyually they're grav-chutes 🤓
storm jungle
Yeah this is the original one
dusk patrol
Yeah this is the original one
that's it there
urban spire
hang on
dusk patrol
I knew there was real art
storm jungle
my guys legit gave him the most yee yee ass pants
dusk patrol
anyways they're a more sci-fi space viking planet
crisp heath
Fenris is honestly one of the weirdest planets outside the warp tbh
urban spire
It’s covered in poisonous mushrooms
ah, norway in summer
crisp heath
The whole Fenris system is kind of weird but the actual planet is unhinged
storm jungle
Yeah its mostly because the ecosystem isnt natural
Fenris was just a DAOT Jurassic Park
crisp heath
Yeah it was an experiment to make mythology real
storm jungle
yeeee
which tbh
mood
Also one of the more believable planet origins in 40k lmao
plush mason
Yeah it was an experiment to make mythology real
so the wolves are made to be werewolves
arctic talon
so the wolves are made to be werewolves
No but the wolves on fenris aren’t wolves
crisp heath
so the wolves are made to be werewolves
I think that's actually explained away with the humans mixing their dna with canine dna because it somehow improved survivability? Not really well defined.
storm jungle
yeah the Wulfen is unrelated
dusk patrol
Also its implied some of the monsters on Fenris like the Kraken might be Tyranid related.
storm jungle
I think it is?
there is like
A SUPER OBSCURE short story on it
where they crack one of its eggs on the fang
arctic talon
It’s a mutation due to how fenrisian dna interacts with the gene seed iirc
arctic talon
Lol
dusk patrol
Yeah something like that
arctic talon
The Fenrisian Kraken is a nid gone native
crisp heath
So Leman Russ has the Canis Helix, which is dog DNA implanted by the emperor, and this passed down through the geneseed, but mortal Fenrisians are also part wolf, which is what causes the mutations in the space wolves because they're more canine than human
arctic talon
Same with the catachan devil
storm jungle
So Leman Russ has the Canis Helix, which is dog DNA implanted by the emperor, an...
Yeah its entirely a coincidence
arctic talon
Which is horrifying
dusk patrol
They're uh
urban spire
i love death worlds that are so fucked up and nasty that when tyranids show up they are only barely able to compete with native predators
dusk patrol
They're big
arctic talon
i love death worlds that are so fucked up and nasty that when tyranids show up t...
Catachan kekw
plush mason
and little nid monsters come out of it
i recall hearing that the krakens are some form of bioship and got trapped and cut off from the hivemind
dusk patrol
Note, the massive fucking thunderhawks
arctic talon
dusk patrol
That's the theory
crisp heath
pretty much nothing is "native" to Fenris, it's all either human genetic modification or tyranid bioforms
arctic talon
And that’s a “small” one
dusk patrol
Catachan got invaded by Orks but they couldn't survive on it
Iirc they still grow but they just get eaten
urban spire
idk how catachan has enough humans for them to tithe
dusk patrol
Built different
arctic talon
Don’t think too hard
dusk patrol
Literally
arctic talon
Also that
dusk patrol
But yeah it doesn't make sense
The birthrate would have to be absurd
By official lore 75% of them die before adulthood
arctic talon
Imo I feel like the actual mortality rate isn’t that high
Despite what official lore says
arctic talon
The way they set up on the planet
Makes them pretty safe
Just need to burn the jungle daily
dusk patrol
Also, yeah in official books its not like that many die
And the women aren't dipshits
They're taking care of the kids
Kinda
dusk patrol
There's also Catachans who talk about playing with ten foot snakes as toys when they were toddlers
arctic talon
It’s prolly because they’re doing something stupid
dusk patrol
Also Harker kills a catachan devil as a teen so
Harker is also just in a league of his own.
arctic talon
Have I posted the catachan face eater here before?
dusk patrol
They need to freeze and keep that mans sperm
He's literally stronger than a space marine
crisp heath
I love face eaters lmao
arctic talon
urban spire
no eugenics! 🗞️
storm jungle
Plastic bag enjoyer
urban spire
wonderful
dusk patrol
Not very cash money
arctic talon
It camouflages itself as plants, moss, water or a towel
The towel mutation was found on an imperial ship
And when you get too close it leaps on and well
crisp heath
what is a face eater
It's a catachan carnivorous plant that looks like a sheet and hides in the jungles on Catachan and in bathrooms on necromunda, when you get close it jumps onto you and melts your face
arctic talon
Eats your face
It’s not a plant
It’s an animal
It eats your face and lays eggs in your dead body
crisp heath
Oh I thought it was like a brainleaf
urban spire
i know the brainleaf from dark heresy
arctic talon
It drains you of your blood and melts your face
And then digests it
Before laying eggs
plush mason
lol
crisp heath
By official lore 75% of them die before adulthood
they just have alot of kids... I mean what else is there to do besides that on that planet, if you're not fightan you're probably
plush mason
all Catachans do is fight and fuck
arctic talon
You forgot pray
dusk patrol
For Space Wolves so they can use their senses
I believe Librarians it helps to not interfere with their powers
sinful crater
For Space Wolves so they can use their senses
it's more for show them magnificient haircut and beard!
arctic talon
Blood angels and their successors can drink blood on the fly if they feel they’re falling to the red thirst
stuck kindle
Cadian Blood feels like it could be a Darktide spinoff
signal bramble
Not necessarily damage but radio/sensor interference.
stuck kindle
Its cool
signal bramble
The Tau have that as one of their primary tactics to kill Astartes. Use their superior electronic warfare to scramble the helmets so the Astartes are forced to take their helmets off. Then go for the head shots.
Astartes are durable but a direct plasma blast to the face will take them down pretty handily.
crisp heath
Should I read Infinite and Divine or Twice Dead King first?
signal bramble
Should I read Infinite and Divine or Twice Dead King first?
Infinite and the Divine is more of a wacky adventure.
Yes, really.
Depends if you want a zany adventure or something a little more somber.
crisp heath
I just bought the first twice dead king book, once I get a better feel for necrons I'll go for the funny necrons
signal bramble
I just bought the first twice dead king book, once I get a better feel for necro...
Sounds like a plan. Despite the odd tone, infinite and the divine is really entertaining.
crisp heath
Besides, if you aren't specifically looking for necron stuff the only sentient necron you really hear about is Trazyn and it'll be nice seeing what the rest of them are like
I mean and the Silent King but he's uhhh,,,, set dressing usually
sinful crater
I mean and the Silent King but he's uhhh,,,, set dressing usually
the silent king is....silent?
crisp heath
I wasn't sure if he talked now since he kind of left the galaxy and gave up the whole court structure thing, like I said I've only seen him as a background character and I'm not sure where he really shows up. But yeah, pretty silent.
rose thorn
What do creations of bile even look like???
I’d just think they would have been mercs that work for bile
But apparently they are literal creations???
uncut plover
Creations of Bile can look like anything really so long as they are unnaturally groteque
they can be mercenaries
final solar
I wasn't sure if he talked now since he kind of left the galaxy and gave up the ...
He talked to Dante.
uncut plover
or they can be test subjects turned into flesh puppets
rose thorn
Ah
signal bramble
What do creations of bile even look like???
They’re not always abominations. He’s also augmented other chaos marines using his science.
rose thorn
In an alliance sense or kidnapping sense
signal bramble
Also Bile is creating his own version of chaos primaris so the creations of Bile could be that also.
signal bramble
Injections probably.
signal bramble
He was already augmenting other members of his legion during the heresy and even before they turned traitor. So now he’s just doing it for other reasons.
rose thorn
Are they still sentient you think?
signal bramble
Some chaos marines might say “hey Bile make us stronger and we’ll give you some test subjects.” So he injects them to increase their physical power as their superhuman musculature improves even more.
He’s not just creating non-sentient abominations. He’s not a Drukhari haemonculus. He wants to surpass big E.
rose thorn
Nice lmao
noble hinge
what faction are this?
noble hinge
and what is happening here?
noble hinge
I can’t see the image
but why
arctic talon
Oh nvm
I can now
Top image is Mechanicus skitarii vs genestealer cults
Bottom image is The Emperor vs Horus
arctic talon
what faction are this?
Skitarii are from Stygies VIII and the genestealer cultists are part of the cult of the bladed cog
noble hinge
emperor vs horus, but the one that is dead on the ground?
arctic talon
Sanguinius
crisp heath
and what is happening here?
This is when Horus yeets the Emperor but the Emperor gets the killshot in before sitting on a fancy chair for 10,000 years
noble hinge
why is the good guy dead tho? and the horus guy standing?
arctic talon
Because Horus killed sanguinius
noble hinge
ohhhh
crisp heath
Horus killed Sanguinius almost immediately before fighting the emperor, it's very stylized because it didn't happen in the same room but y'know
noble hinge
Horus killed Sanguinius almost immediately before fighting the emperor, it's ver...
got it
thanks guys
crisp heath
It would be even cooler if Ollanius was dead at the Emperor's feet tbh
crisp heath
Oh is it old? I always saw the artstyle and assumed it was drawn some time after I joined the fandom
crisp heath
It looks very modern by 40k standards
arctic talon
It’s def post second edition
But idk when it got changed from Horus’s command bunker to the vengeful spirit
Since they established the primarchs as being not normal humans before the command bunker change
plush mason
what was so special about horus' ship anyway?
mystic geyser
Old is relative, but its not of the bunker era, its of the first batch of art for the new horus heresy
which started as a trading card game, oddly enough.
The Vengeful Spirit, Gloriana Class, tough as nails, basically a daemon ship by the time its boarded.
plush mason
is there any actual art of it or of any Gloriana class?
oh so now Abaddon commands it
noble hinge
@odd tulip did you like The Green Knight?
mystic geyser
Yeah theres a few examples, all uh different, as Gloriana isn't so much a class as a concept of a really big flagship
plush mason
like are these images from BFGA2 actually canon?
mystic geyser
more or less?
arctic talon
like are these images from BFGA2 actually canon?
How they look is canon
The actual gameplay isn’t
plush mason
k so the image of the blackstone fort crashing into cadia is a canon depiction
arctic talon
Yeah
plush mason
good because its a badass image
dusk patrol
I believe all the Fall of Cadia stuff is canon
Or basically canon
The campaigns after are where it shifts
arctic talon
The whole intro is pretty much all canon compliant
Aside from the Phalanx soloing an entire fleet lol
It had some help
dusk patrol
I think they shorten the conversation with Cawl and Trayzn a bit too
arctic talon
They do
By a lot
It’s a simplified version of the canon events
But it flows much better
plush mason
so the space wolves boarding the blackstone before the battle, and still be fighting in side of it during the battle is canon?
dusk patrol
I believe in canon they’re the ones who disabled it from the inside yes
plush mason
yeah that happens in the game
or well they knock out its shields
that is honestly badass tho
the sons of russ bite deep indeed
dusk patrol
Yeah iirc they crashed a battlebarge into it and managed to disable it enough it let it get hammered by Navy ships
I don’t recall if it’s exactly like it’s shown in the game but it’s pretty cool
arctic talon
In game you just lighting strike on
plush mason
nah in game they take the battle barge and ambush the blackstone while it was a bit a head of the chaos fleet and then suicide rush it to board it
plush mason
ye
dusk patrol
The Phalanx got properly fucked up during the whole ordeal too
Got partially possessed
they had to blow off like ten percent of it
And then they went into the warp and almost got overrun by daemons until the Legion of the Damned showed up
uncut plover
Battlefleet Gothic games are the only games that actually try to involve themselves in the actual 40k canon, no?
as opposed to making a self-contained story
mystic geyser
Pretty much. Can't think of any others
Though Dawn of war had a tie in novel, which I guess then becomes Canon..
"Sir Darius Melk the Fourteenth, Lord of the Quartervast"
Fancy title
celest dome
Doesn't the Fire Warrior link up to lore or something ?
south canopy
Kind of disappointed by the lore so far ingame. Especially with the legend Dan Abnet being the lead. Expected a lot, got just a few cutscenes of guys saying you got to earn their trust.
south canopy
Ik they said we'd experience the story throughout the game's support... but was hoping for a more proper introduction. Like even a few tailored story missions.
Btw have they confirmed how they'll develop the narrative?
mystic geyser
the story is barebones, but the setting is well developed.. just hid in character interactions
(Thank you Matt Ward, you have done well..)
celest dome
They haven't given any info atm
urban spire
what faction are this?
the guys in red armour are skitarii, the guys with purple skin are a genestealer cult
upbeat dagger
what is a "servitor colony"???
urban spire
well it looks like it's a big pillar of dead folks with robot shit jammed into it
one can only hope they cleaned the bones properly first
normally a servitor contains some degree of still living human components but i have seen no such thing examining the colony
mystic geyser
lots of brains, linked together, looks like.
dusk patrol
Person, typically lobotomized and used as for menial work.
Should be noted, fucking up the lobotomization is punishable with servitorization.
So at the least, its mostly not worse for most people because they don't know
But there are intentional cases of leaving people aware as punishment.
And that's not very cash money.
mystic geyser
Poor medicae servitor...
dusk patrol
He's basically a uh
upbeat dagger
like i know some of the servitors (medicae) are really f'd up
mystic geyser
It's not unheard of though
dusk patrol
Especially in a lot of public places for a valuable machine.
mystic geyser
Oh yeah obviously it's a game mechanic where they are placed
dusk patrol
It's not unheard of though
It mostly is, at least unintentionally. There's a lot of effort put into making servitors correctly.
Its still fucked up
But most if not all of them are unaware which I guess is uh
nicer
fallen marsh
so, what is a servitor?
Servitors are humans that commited crimes and were sentenced to become living computers and/or servants.
Basicaly they turn you into half machine and use you brain as CPU
And memory storage
dusk patrol
And typically the ones who are intentionally left aware are genuinely horrific people.
Like the stuff you need to do to be made into an Acro-Flagellant is actually kinda impressively fucked up.
One example is a dude who led a pogroms on multiple worlds which killed billions.
upbeat dagger
some of the medicae voice lines really screwed with me
dusk patrol
Arco-Flagellant you're aware as you're being made into one intentionally though, and you're aware the whole time you're alive.
which can be a long, long time.
upbeat dagger
"Pieces of my mind are floating away... please help... please...!"
i wasn't ready the first time poor medicae hit me with that
fallen marsh
Well. It is punishment. Imagine what crimes you need to commit to end like that. Fate worse than death.
dusk patrol
Yeah like I said, its kinda a lore liberty in that case.
lilac wave
I recall in Ravenor, at some point Ravenor realized with a bit of horror that most servitors retain some degree of consciousness.
fallen marsh
And death is very popular punishment
mystic geyser
4 seconds late to meeting
dusk patrol
lilac wave
Like, he was able to read their horrifically mutilated and tortured minds.
normal stream
Okay but I think we should just ignore medicae servitors. medicae servitors the way they're implemented (essentially able to restore all the damage you took getting stabbed, shot, swallowed by a beast of nurgle...) wouldn't exist lying around a bunch of random hab blocks.
dusk patrol
Yeah they're one big whole game mechanic mostly
normal stream
Ya
dusk patrol
Yeah I enjoy how they're implemented
upbeat dagger
also, is the "if you don't believe in the emperor you're a heretic and deserve to die"/"imperium is way overzealous with the death sentence" bit actually true
dusk patrol
Depends
Generally most citizens probably are just like, going with the flow.
Some are much more pious than others.
We see this at all levels of the Imperium
upbeat dagger
like ik in game my psyker's descriptor is "it's not that you didn't move out of the (commissar?)'s way, you just didn't move fast enough"
for why shes imprisoned
dusk patrol
And sometimes you make a sarcastic comment about the Emperor to the wrong dude on the wrong world and could be executed for it.
But its not consistent.
The Zealot characters its implied literally may have killed people for being perceived "heretics"
but we also see how everyone reacts to them
So it just depends
fallen marsh
In general Darktide is really well made. Lots of care and attention. I have only 3 issues.
- Skulls as door knobs and hacking machines are bit too much for me. Its too close to grimderp
- Sometimes scale of hive city is just off. It can be seen especially on metaflab map with train
- They were lazy and took symbols and look of enforcers from Necromunda.
upbeat dagger
also, lore wise, how strong are space marines?
I've heard that a space marine would easily wipe our player squad, while also hearing that an ogryn can take one head on
mystic geyser
Lore wise they are crazy strong
Like an Ogryn might win an arm wrestle, but would lose a fight
dusk patrol
Very strong, strong enough to flip light armored vehicles and sometimes small tanks
Ogryns are just stronger
But they're also slower and less proficient.
mystic geyser
Marines are very fast too, which is underportrayed
dusk patrol
both can casually crush a skull in the palm of their hand
The main thing with Ogryns is theyre way cheaper than marines
So you can easily just send five at one marine and overwhelm him.
and all they have to do is manage to grab ahold of him.
vital kernel
In general Darktide is really well made. Lots of care and attention. I have only...
On the enforcers, I can handwave it as Necromunda Enforcers being used as a template for other Hive enforcements. Since that's how it works in real life too, almost every special police force around the world copied American SWAT loadouts and visuals.
upbeat dagger
so, ive been also thinking, if a 5th class was implemented, what could they possibly be?
lore wise what else would fit our ragtag bunch
mystic geyser
Ratling would be cool.. idk if it would work
dusk patrol
but there's a lot of stuff.
dusk patrol
I believe they've said that the issue with Ratling is the levels aren't built for a small person.
mystic geyser
Yeah true ..
dusk patrol
Bardin was a problem for game design partially for them for this reason.
And it matters much more with ranged combat being a bigger deal
vital kernel
so, ive been also thinking, if a 5th class was implemented, what could they poss...
There is almost no limit to what they can introduce.
Tech Adept with Enginseer or Skittle spez, Lexman with Enforcer or Arbites spez
upbeat dagger
id say i want them to be played like a summoner but i have bad experience with minion ai
mystic geyser
I think subclasses for the archetypes is more likely.
dusk patrol
If we do get another archetype, I wouldn't expect it for a year
mystic geyser
A Veteran speccing out as a Tech guard with skitarri weapons is plausible
dusk patrol
Or more
upbeat dagger
the classes are structured like there should be subclasses, based on the names
vital kernel
And it matters much more with ranged combat being a bigger deal
yeah, a shorter Char would be very good in cover, but poor in shooting out of cover
dusk patrol
A Veteran speccing out as a Tech guard with skitarri weapons is plausible
The issue is they have to reuse lines
So they have to make most of their generic lines still work fine.
upbeat dagger
Veteran: Sharpshooter
Ogryn: Skullbreaker
Psyker: Pskinetic
Zealot: Preacher
mystic geyser
Yeah, so couldn't be a full mechanicus.
dusk patrol
Biomancer I think is a likely one
mystic geyser
Pyro, telepath, Biomancer,
dusk patrol
A more melee focused Psyker
mystic geyser
Divinator I don't see how could work...
vital kernel
I think if we see Admech at all it will be in a dedicated DLC with new intro mission and new voice lines
dusk patrol
Yeah
fallen marsh
On the enforcers, I can handwave it as Necromunda Enforcers being used as a temp...
Yeah. Its just my personal nit pick as I would prefer to see them created just for Tertium as they are not Imperial force like Arbites.
dusk patrol
None of the archetypes really work for Ad Mech as is
mystic geyser
I'd love a beastmaster but they'd never do it.
fallen marsh
I doubt we will see AdMech
upbeat dagger
how would an ad mech even play?
fallen marsh
There are some datamined classes
dusk patrol
Depends on the priest
vital kernel
I'd love a beastmaster but they'd never do it.
You really wanna be on the other end of Houndjank?
mystic geyser
@dusk patrol its like when Kruber is suddenly Bretonnian so puts on a fake accent.. it .. wouldn't work haha
dusk patrol
There are some datamined classes
That’s just the first wave of subclasses
fallen marsh
Veteran: Squad Leader
Ogryn: Gun Lubber
upbeat dagger
You really wanna be on the other end of Houndjank?
i slapped a hound out of its pounce earlier as preacher, dopest thing ive ever done
dusk patrol
<@333173125028249611> its like when Kruber is suddenly Bretonnian so puts on a f...
That’s pretty different since the lore reason he can become a Grail Knight was already a huge reach
But he’s still Kruber
mystic geyser
It's just about OK in vermintide as its already quite silly
dusk patrol
He’s not a mostly bionic soldier who was born on a forge world
vital kernel
Grail Kruber was Fatshark trolling I guess because so many people wanted a Bretonnian character added.
dusk patrol
GK was definitely the biggest reach in the series
I love the class and idc much
But it definitely was like
Don’t break your back bending over backwards to justify it
upbeat dagger
literally would throw money at fatshark for an admech class, they're easily my favorite part of WH40k
fallen marsh
That’s just the first wave of subclasses
Well yeah. They need to pump them out really fast. I feel like 1st wave should be quicker than one per 3 months.
dusk patrol
I wouldn’t expect it for awhile if we do get one
It’s not gonna be a subclass
Which is my point, they have a fifth slot for a reason
I would expect in a year or so we might see a new archetype, but we’ll see
With the state the games in who knows
vital kernel
My biggest wish was Armageddon Drip and we got that real early so I'm not that vocal about my hopes and dreams for a Skittle class.
But it would be cool if one of the Voice Options only spoke in glitchy Binaric
upbeat dagger
whatre skittles
upbeat dagger
ok what are skitarii
dusk patrol
I think it’s very unlikely we’d get a Skitarii class for the Vet
Ad Mech army basically
Soldiers for them
upbeat dagger
ah
lilac wave
I do wonder if they'd be able to fit like, a skitarii alpha and an electropriest or something into the same class.
dusk patrol
Lots of bionics
mystic geyser
Skitarii are a force dedicated to supporting titans
vital kernel
yeah, not for the vet, would wish for a Standalone Skittle.
Ranger and Vanguard Subclass
dusk patrol
Not just titans
upbeat dagger
so if we got admech they'd probably be a skitarii?
vital kernel
Skitarii are a force dedicated to supporting titans
Thats Secutarii
dusk patrol
Just Ad Mech in general
vital kernel
A man can hope.
upbeat dagger
still think itd be super cool to have a tech priest that plays like a summoner
itd never happen
but itd be dope
mystic geyser
Probably?
upbeat dagger
or like, more of a beastmaster
vital kernel
I am hoping for a whole Admech DLC expansion that adds Techpriest + Subclasses and Skitarii+ Subclasses
upbeat dagger
again id yeet money at fs for any admech
lilac wave
Lore wise you'd have an easier time getting a low ranking tech priest. Like, there's almost no reason you'd find a skitarius in some imperial prison.
dusk patrol
Eh they could justify an Inquisitor receiving one or whatever for a lot of reasons, but yeah I think a tech priest or adept is more likely
And makes more sense
upbeat dagger
that reminds me, isnt admech in a somewhat precarious spot with the imperium?
like the imperium doesn't like em but also cant really do anything about it
dusk patrol
Not really, theyre just a faction
They’re not unfified either
And have different factions within
mystic geyser
Imperium is full of conflicting Factions.
dusk patrol
There’s power struggles but like, yeah
upbeat dagger
i remember hearing that them worshipping the omnissiah is kind of problematic, just imperium cant do anything abt it cuz, yknow
dusk patrol
The Imperium itself isn’t really unified
upbeat dagger
who makes their weapons
dusk patrol
i remember hearing that them worshipping the omnissiah is kind of problematic, j...
They worship him as an aspect of the Emperor
Depends
Forge Worlds, Hive worlds, typically
upbeat dagger
who makes their weapons
rhetorical question my b
dusk patrol
It’s more just a political game and also it’s been a thing since the Imperium was founded
The Omnissiah has always been the Emperor to them since the pact was made
They were allowed to have a religion when no one else was
upbeat dagger
also i could have this wrong but speaking of our glorious emperor, is it just me or does the emperor seem like he was actually a pretty great guy before he died
dusk patrol
I would suggest just reading up on this stuff
upbeat dagger
"died"
mystic geyser
Mankind's only hope/ ultra regressive Tyrant, take your pick
upbeat dagger
I would suggest just reading up on this stuff
i have no idea where to start
dusk patrol
Wikis, lore videos, 40k rule books and codexs
steady sparrow
Haha funny tts video, but it does bring up an interesting point
Space Marines are less human than most citizens of the Imperium
celest stream
Damn scum do be spitting the truth fr
steady sparrow
The wars of humanity are fought by abominations, resembling humans only in appearance
celest dome
The war of Humanity are fought by the Guards, not the Astartes
steady sparrow
If i read the lore correctly, many space marines see themselves above normal humans
celest dome
Yes
steady sparrow
The war of Humanity are fought by the Guards, not the Astartes
I was trying to type that out, but that would make that sentence too long
celest dome
Some fell to Chaos due to not caring about the normal humans
barren tapir
@storm jungle i saw you mentioning that Fenris was made how it is willingly, like Age of Tech stuff, in which book they speak about it?
mystic geyser
Hmm. Black book 7: Inferno has some good stuff on Fenris
mystic geyser
A moody daemon primarch sulking in the eye of terror
Let's have a look at the 54mm Inquisitor source book for what retinue ideas of that time were..
Space Marines.. nope. Too powerful
Adeptus Mechanicus: maybe..
Rogue Trader: too elite.
Cultists and Fanatics: yes.. some crossover with zealot, could be a subclass.
Imperial Guard Veteran: Already in game, but the Gland War Veteran would work for a close combat subclass.
Desperados: possibly a bit too similar to Veteran, but a Gang fighter wouldn't be out of place at all. A dual Pistols build could be fun.
Enforcer: already kinda one of the Veteran options, but would be good as it's own class or a subclass.
Mutant: haha that would work but would stretch the team dynamic.
Ecclesiarchy: already in game. But no option to be overweight like Josef.
Arco Flagellant: not enough agency to be a character.
Assassin: could maybe work. Or a death cultist could be a zealot subclass. Obviously Officio assassins are far too powerful.
Daemonhost: No lol.
lilac wave
I guess we don't have a lot of details. Old lore says he's a daemon prince, but more people are doubting that.
He has been described, in his daemon form, as looking something like the ultimate obliterator but I'm not sure it comes from a canon source.
I expect that one day we'll a book or campaign or something explaining what he's up to a d what's become of him.
sinful crater
Let's have a look at the 54mm Inquisitor source book for what retinue ideas of t...
are you talking of the possible class for darktide?
mystic geyser
Yeah
celest dome
Zealot: Crusader, Redemtionist
Veteran: Sergeant/Officer/Commissar, Stormtrooper
Psyker: Biomancer and other Discipline
Ogryn: Gunlugger, Bulwark/Bodyguard
As additional archetype, Admech first and foremost
Like a Tech Adept/Menial to start low and ending up as a Skitarii, Reclaimator or something of the sort
unique berry
Crusader 
broken zenith
Unbound Daemon
mystic geyser
Now checking out the only war rpg..
The shield of humanity expansion is where the Gun Lugger is from
Lots of interesting subclasses
rich vale
If they do a space marine it'd have to be a scout marine cause they don't get most of the cool shit the others do and are basically wearing normal armor that guardsmen do
mystic geyser
"Incinerant Priest " dual wielding flamethrowers ftw
rich vale
Firebrands I think they're called? Or is that like a specific cult
One of the zealot voice lines gets giddy at the thought of being given a heavy flamer
mystic geyser
Well who wouldn't
unique berry
We wont get a SM could we just drop the hope jesus
broken zenith
Unbound Daemon best Daemonhost
mystic geyser
So insanely powerful.
There was a real power creep dynamic with INQ54 with unscrupulous GMs..
celest dome
"Incinerant Priest " dual wielding flamethrowers ftw
Redemptionist
mystic geyser
A redemptionist would be cool. I expect it will be as skin for the zealot.
broken zenith
Bob Naismith's Unbound Daemon, chef's kiss
celest dome
If they do a space marine it'd have to be a scout marine cause they don't get mo...
Won't happen anyway, Scout Marines are the worse pick for either side of the SM debate
rich vale
Why's that?
They're the only marines who don't get Power Armor
And they use guardsmen gear
celest dome
Because they still are SM, so FS has already said they would not be in
SM fans would be Blue balled
Non SM fans would find it too close to SM
broken zenith
Xenos Mercenaries rules from Ex4 was great too, random Xenos generation table of Ex1, Kroot Mercenaries, Khibala Yusra, Eldar Rangers, Eldar Corsairs, Alanthrasil Swiftblade, Viskeon Bounty Hunters and Vrashrak the Stalker
rich vale
No, I meant why is it the worst pick for either side of the debate?
celest dome
Because SM fans would hate it, and SM non fans would also hate it
broken zenith
Chrono-Gladiators plz
barren tapir
Complete the mission within 10 mins or die... Ship it!
celest dome
Don't Chrono Gladiators increase their times when they kill something ?
barren tapir
I wanted to make a joke...
storm jungle
<@166943308231344128> i saw you mentioning that Fenris was made how it is willin...
'Their highest art is the forging of steel,' admitted the Emperor. 'Their world has regressed to a pre-technological state, and if you saw it you would not be surprised why. It is a beautiful, savage place of ice, fire and monsters. A charming experiment in reconstructed mythologies.'
'What do you mean?'
'Fenris is a relic from the days before Old Night.'
barren tapir
Ok, so what i managed to find too, nothing exactly concrete, more a hint of it
shadow plover
lovely
warm crest
Fun fact:
During the outskirts mission where you go and retake the Comms-Plex from a bunch of Cultists, its a rare time where you are unironically exploring the actual beginnings and end of a DAoT city
And it looks remarkably mediocre aside from some bolted on stylings, kinda like a blend between Mass Effect Andromeda and Doom 2016's aesthetics with a little bit of Halo and Bioshock put in
storm jungle
Its kind of hard to tell since it all looks like junk
celest dome
What tell that its a DAoT city ? Haven't played it yet
rich vale
iirc there's been past hives on Atoma Prime, so I'm curious how old Tertium actually is
barren tapir
Its kind of hard to tell since it all looks like junk
OOF, what a way to describe old technological marvel
rich vale
The inquisition does not wish for us to know of the old hive city as well
warm crest
OOF, what a way to describe old technological marvel
Nah that was the satellite array
barren tapir
Atoma prime was colonized even before the age of tech iirc, for sure it endured the age of strife, so it is quite old and being a hive world it is reasonable that the lower parts, or the most outside parts have lots of ancient stuff sill laying around
warm crest
The inquisition does not wish for us to know of the old hive city as well
Cough Necron cough
warm crest
What tell that its a DAoT city ? Haven't played it yet
Yeap
Its an actual DAOT habitation
rich vale
Is it actually a necron related thing?
barren tapir
Nah that was the satellite array
?? Don't get this, can you explain more?
warm crest
You see the actual wrecked domes and a modern day looking dish amidst rotting superstructures. All gothic architecture free but redecorated by the people who decorated Bartertown
rich vale
I don't know if Atoma Prime is like big in pre established lore, I just know that when my characters ask about the other hive city that wasn't mentioned in the records, the mission narrators get really pissed about it and tell them to shut up and focus on the mission
warm crest
?? Don't get this, can you explain more?
Sometimes when reprogramming the satellite array in the outskirts, Hadron tells us that the orbital satellite the array is talking to is apparently a "technological marvel"
barren tapir
No, atoma prime was made up for DT, not actual lore beforehand
barren tapir
Sometimes when reprogramming the satellite array in the outskirts, Hadron tells ...
Ok, i was more talking about general stuff and joking a bit, but thanks for the explanation of such detail
warm crest
Actually made me pause and went "damn, how the mighty have fallen." From Mass Effect Andromeda level of high technology, noblebright alien alliances and nigh unstoppable MoI soldiers to literally killing each other for food
warm crest
I'm hoping the actual story explores it then
Another fun little thijimagic I've noticed is the astrolabe orrery thing where you can face a Beast of Nurgle
It just feels so out of place
A rotting device of beauty, finesse, grace and elegance that looked pulled from Piltover or Bioshock Infinite. And now just rotting there
Someone definitely cared about it enough sink in a lot of time and energy once
fallow pike
Another fun little thijimagic I've noticed is the astrolabe orrery thing where y...
Are there any pictures of this? Sounds cool but haven’t played the new mission yet
barren tapir
Actually made me pause and went "damn, how the mighty have fallen." From Mass Ef...
The few descriptions of Age of Tech ships we have are quite similar to some of Mass Effect indeed, mostly the asari ones though... Seems that humans really like kinda blocky stuff... I for sure love them
warm crest
Are there any pictures of this? Sounds cool but haven’t played the new mission y...
It looks like this but left in an extremely large cathedral covered in sand. A wide open door facing the outside world
Pretty nifty stuff
fallow pike
Super cool. Heard a new voice line yesterday I hadn’t heard before mentioning the necrons, I wonder if they could show up in some dlc for some of this old tech
warm crest
Super cool. Heard a new voice line yesterday I hadn’t heard before mentioning th...
Nah not Necrons, Men of Iron for all the nifty old tech
And then Necrons for all the nifty Hereteks and naughty Mechanicum priests out there!
Someone had to lug it all the way here
nocturne crest
Has there ever been a point where a brother of the iron hands chapter has removed all their organs except those that are implanted into them?
warm crest
Someone had to lug it all the way here
@fallow pike
Do note the more Doom looking bits around the base of the satellite array and how haphazard the computer console looks like in comparison.
dusk patrol
Has there ever been a point where a brother of the iron hands chapter has remove...
There’s a case of an Iron Hands dude with no organic matter
Generally though they get to the brain at most
And it’s not common they get that far
twin seal
This channel makes me happier than any of you know ❤️ keep the lore going
nocturne crest
So it's a rarity that an Iron Hand only has brain left as their last organ?
dusk patrol
It’s probably a high ranking Iron Father
warm crest
There’s a case of an Iron Hands dude with no organic matter
I mean I also know an Iron Hands dude with no head
nocturne crest
BTW, is the Iron Hands psychology only limited to the chapter or to all it's successors?
mystic geyser
Paullian Blantar was basically brain by the end apparently
dusk patrol
I mean I also know an Iron Hands dude with no head
dusk patrol
BTW, is the Iron Hands psychology only limited to the chapter or to all it's su...
It can be successors too
Although it’s uh
Inconsistent
nocturne crest
Interesting.
warm crest
Fun fact:
They use the same general technology to kill shit over far distances
If you squint really, REALLY hard...
Like really really hard and inject in a dose of copium
barren tapir
🤣
warm crest
The average Guardsman veery technically holds a Forerunner grade rifle in their hands
nocturne crest
I wonder if the eyes of a space marine could survive the damage generated by a laser beam.
celest dome
They don't
Lasgun can even sometime pass through the eyes of SM armour and still kill iirc
nocturne crest
Oh no, I mean like
If you were to shine a 5 milliwatt laser into someone's eye, it would potentially blind them for life.
celest dome
Depend on the strength of the laser
mystic geyser
5000 years, such a brief period lol
rich vale
I think there's a difference between a lasgun and a weapon that fires hardlight projectiles
warm crest
Depend on the strength of the laser
^^^
You can technically beat a Space Marine to death with your bare hands, yes the odds will be astronomically low but its possible
warm crest
The same goes for lasguns, just a slightly higher chance
warm crest
The lasgun just shoots a laser
Wait it doesn't fire hard light photons?
warm crest
Cause... its hard light
Which is a laser given mass right?
mystic geyser
No, it's a laser. With.. recoil sometimes for some reason..
rich vale
The lasgun uses the same basic technology and operates along the same lines as other laser weapons, emitting a beam of focused light. The high amount of energy in the beam causes the immediate surface area of a target to be vaporized in a small explosion
nocturne crest
Yeah, a laser would blind someone if they didn't have protective eyewear.
warm crest
No, it's a laser. With.. recoil sometimes for some reason..
Exactly, its not a flashlight or laser pointer. Its a powerful hard light rifle, don't listen to what the Tech Priest say
warm crest
No, it's a laser. With.. recoil sometimes for some reason..
Venting heat from the muzzle propelling the receiver backwards maybe?
mystic geyser
Maybe..
full bane
Lasgun mechanisms and recoils are as numerous as the authors writing them.
vital kernel
Do note the more Doom looking bits around the base of the satellite array and ho...
That may be a bit far fetched. Hadron mentions the Array being a technological marvel, so it is safe to assume it may be multiple thousands of years old, while the haphazard control elements were added over time to replace more sophisticated, but broken down, interface installations
warm crest
That may be a bit far fetched. Hadron mentions the Array being a technological m...
Wholeheartedly agree tbh
full bane
Another fun little thijimagic I've noticed is the astrolabe orrery thing where y...
Given that the Hourglass is meant to be a long abandoned/defunct freight port, it might have been a practical flight board/alignment check thing once.
Real time display of Atoma and it's satellites/orbital paths. The area does link to some hangars/pads after all.
warm crest
Given that the Hourglass is meant to be a long abandoned/defunct freight port, i...
That
Actually makes quite a lot of sense
warm crest
Real time display of Atoma and it's satellites/orbital paths. The area does link...
Especially the wide open hangar bays with the little flyers still parked within them
warm crest
Real time display of Atoma and it's satellites/orbital paths. The area does link...
Actually a pretty cool function!
full bane
Especially the wide open hangar bays with the little flyers still parked within ...
Yeah the ones with the broken down Arvus Lighters are cool
I do wish there was something similar to Consignment Yard in the Hourglass.
There's indications of the place being a defunct freight port but the missions don't really push the whole port angle.
modern tapir
Real time display of Atoma and it's satellites/orbital paths. The area does link...
There was some dialogue I heard in game yesterday where they were saying that Atoma's sky used to be filled with hundreds of flying craft.
warm crest
There was some dialogue I heard in game yesterday where they were saying that At...
Ah
Whole planet is fucking rotting away then
Sad leh
devout oxide
Yeah the ones with the broken down Arvus Lighters are cool
I was in a game and a guy goes holy shit I have a arvus model! and I was so happy lol
signal bramble
There was some dialogue I heard in game yesterday where they were saying that At...
Probably because it’s a hive world that had to import a lot of stuff.
barren tapir
Being a sector capital is no small thing
storm jungle
Did you know that Tertium is something of a wonder?
GREATEST PLANETARY CAPITAL IN 3 SECTORS
barren tapir
Did you know that Tertium is something of a wonder?
No, but now i wonder why
barren tapir
Ah, yes, the atoman ore, that is weirdly similar to lucian ore, and another ore that don't remember the name now... Well, ore is important indeed
storm jungle
I feel like you could have found a better reason than:
"Yes Atoman tanks are tougher."
like okay
barren tapir
Especially since we know that the indomitus crusade is in full swing... So saying it was important from a logistic POV could have also worked
Or maybe it is something else entirely, which will be disclosed with season...
Which beg the question... What will be the new season that should drop in the first months of 2023?
And something tell me it is gonna be connected with the message that the new mission send
sinful crater
Which beg the question... What will be the new season that should drop in the fi...
probably find the leader of the cult and the 6th on tertium, for learn from where the 6th was corrupted and how far the corruption spread in the moebian.
rich vale
Especially since we know that the indomitus crusade is in full swing... So sayin...
I'm pretty sure they did say in one of the trailers that it was too important to the war effort to lose it
But character dialogue suggests there's more going on, like Rannick wants something in metalfab really bad, there's apparently another hive city off the records, communications outside the system are down, and the whole shebang started when the guard returned from some battle on the fringe and became infected with something
I would like the story sooner, but if they get it out in January then I'd be content
sinful crater
the first vox is clear the 6th was already infected and was the carrier. another point, grendel don't seems to be present right now, only rannick was send with the warband for command the operation for stop the revolt of the cult.
for what Rannick is looking in the metalfab is probably to get some equipement, after all with the betrayal of the 6th... they are left with only the mourning star reserve for fight... kinda short since the enemy have already take control of a few manufactorum and have the cult + the 6th and all the one that was corrupted...
barren tapir
We know that the message is being sent out of the system btw
sinful crater
when you do enclave the first time they seems to say that the heretic have only begin them attack on this throneside, but the comms plex mission seems to show the inverse in the starting area we are in middle of building that was quarantined and a lot of body bag... what make the info weird
by the way, some change was made in the hab dreyko mission in the last part before start the last skull you have body bag and the same sign of quarantine that did appear.
rich vale
for what Rannick is looking in the metalfab is probably to get some equipement, ...
Its not equipment, while the mission narrators discuss equipment the characters talk about something much more important being in that specific metalfab (because there's far more metalfabs than just the one)
sinful crater
ahh didn't get this one yet
but i don't see what can be in a metalfab that this important
rich vale
There's nothing to hint at what it could be. It could honestly be anything, there's just something specific Rannick wants that's only there and not in the others
sinful crater
it's a metalfab, it's a place to build stuff, i don't see what can be hidden in this one in particular... maybe link to the fact that some ship was build nearby
barren tapir
Probably STC hidden, which cannot be left to fall in the hands of the traitors, which still don't know it is there
rich vale
Could be
barren tapir
And for STC i meant a blueprint for something
Especially is such metalfab was an old one
sinful crater
i doubt he will send the reject deal with this, then for now it don't concern us
maybe the season will introduce what happend when you join the warband and add an endgame system around level 30+
rich vale
I think the metalfab missions take place later in the timeline, there's some sort of timeline to the missions but it's unclear. In one of the hab dreyko missions characters will often wonder if Zola is from Atoma, then later in the mission she admits she is. Then in another Dreyko missions she talks about her time growing up there, and the enforcers
arctic talon
Also the metalfab mission is about preventing the enemies from making lemen russes
storm jungle
i doubt he will send the reject deal with this, then for now it don't concern us
The rejects have this in the bag
sinful crater
if mortarion was around, the situation will be an exterminatus or call astartes.... if not grey knight
rich vale
Also the metalfab mission is about preventing the enemies from making lemen russ...
Its what the narrators discuss. But there's rare character dialogie that mentions Rannick is sending a lot of groups to the metalfab area and it's for something other than the production lines
arctic talon
Its what the narrators discuss. But there's rare character dialogie that mention...
Intresting
hollow sigil
I've been casually listening to 40k lore videos & came across this concept of ||no happy endings|| in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium. Where basically the Imperium will fall in the near future and that there's no stopping it. My mind started processing it & had a random thought today and basically ||does it mean that horus heresy caused irrepairable damage because the emperor was sort of a bad dad, but also because the way these primarchs were set up effectively caused irreversible complications that will last for the next 10k years? and why imperium planets continute to fall? also because astartes & primarch have empathy problems which makes them easier to turn to chaos? because they thrive in that environment?||
sinful crater
i simply wish we had a bit of info about what to expect about story and such... a simple "a season is coming " will make me happy
normal stream
See: 30k alpha legion
normal stream
I think the metalfab missions take place later in the timeline, there's some sor...
Voice lines are fairly random, don't think too much into it imo
celest dome
There were voices lines about the Com-plex mission in Throneside
rustic spruce
What does the alpha legion do in current 40k
arctic talon
Stuff
signal bramble
https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/270113965193822208/1011707844879458334/...
rich vale
Voice lines are fairly random, don't think too much into it imo
The voice lines are about metal fab. They're not out of place, like they're literally talking about the location in the dialogue. We have hints of the actual story, but apparently we're not getting it until the "season"
barren tapir
We have around 70K quotes or phrases, don't remember exactly the word used, but as now we seems to have got quite mild stuff and many times they are simply the same, so yeah, there must be some quotes that aren't used yet, and will be probably unlocked with seasons... Unless they pull out another "70+ weapons!" kind of thing
arctic talon
There’s some very niche interactions
That require 3 of the same class
- another specific class
signal bramble
The interactions between the professional vet and the Ogryn are very wholesome.
The Ogryn will be like “I forgot what we’re doing” and the vet is like “don’t worry about it, you’re doing a great job.”
And I’m like “aww.”
vital kernel
Most videos are unfortunately very rambling and basically Wiki entry read-offs.
I personally enjoy the productions of "ABorderPrince" who gives many of his videos an 'Inquisitorial Briefing' type of spin with not half bad voice work.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CpEzNowUWgI&list=PLI0EbGboV0eObhiWCy2BWNO1qGDZHUpJe
Though, like anything 40k lore related you are looking at multiple weeks worth of material just to cover the basics.
mystic geyser
It all started 10,000 years ago ... in somewhere in ancient central Anatolia...
I'd stick to the wikis , but it you want to get into the novels.. I'd start with The Eisenhorn or Gaunts Ghosts series... or The Horus Heresy series if you're in for the long haul.
brittle slate
I’d do Pod Caste for tau and eastern segmentum lore: https://open.spotify.com/show/41GULv7uP5Jp8fahBsXGAp?si=tPUbbeE_Tw2JOMKSbmWtYA
devout oxide
Thats like a what if scenario for a small empire haha, kind of a odd place to catch someone up in the lore
nocturne crest
Is there any chapters or regiments that should be explored further?
dusk patrol
Sure?
normal stream
"Should"? Not really. "Want"? Lots of people want things. 😄
nocturne crest
Maybe they'll get some.
arctic talon
HAHAHAHAHHAA
THATS A GOOD JOKE
GW really doesn’t care that much about most factions
nocturne crest
Fair enough. Space Marines all the way.
arctic talon
Hell GW doesn’t even care about a lot of marine chapters lul
arctic talon
But it is what it is
arctic talon
Yeah
And they keep the hobby very well funded
So I’m not gona complain too much lol
storm jungle
Death it is.
arctic talon
Hey if 5 space marine minis get a new mini for every faction
I’m not gona complain too much
acoustic quail
Found horus in a charity shop lol
acoustic quail
It's mine now
storm jungle
damn
barren tapir
As the saying goes, its not even the Imperium that gets attention
Guard didn't got the title "honorary xenos" for nothing after all
dusk patrol
I mean it’s not really an accurate take anymore with how much they’ve done to expand other factions
It’s a slow process but it keeps happening
The Congo line of who can really piss and moan about how old their models are gets smaller and smaller
barren tapir
I mean it’s not really an accurate take anymore with how much they’ve done to ex...
Yeah, i meant in the past...
dusk patrol
Yee
rich vale
I tend to find the Eldar more interesting than much of the imperium
But, I also don't like them cause I personally think the every Eldar soul gets slurped up by slaanesh is dumb.
But still, the Imperium has got Aesthetic
arctic talon
But, I also don't like them cause I personally think the every Eldar soul gets s...
I mean soulstones exist for a reason
rich vale
That doesn't stop the concept from being dumb to me
celest dome
But still, the Imperium has got **Aesthetic**
The Imperium did give some aesthetic preferences
signal bramble
But still, the Imperium has got **Aesthetic**
storm jungle
But, I also don't like them cause I personally think the every Eldar soul gets s...
Its been that way since Warhammer Fantasy too
in that they wear soulstones too which is pretty funny lol
signal bramble
Slaanesh has spit up an Eldar soul it didn’t want before.
storm jungle
That book and the event it happens in is incredibly stupid
signal bramble
I agree.
storm jungle
the only excuse it presents is the dark eldar she swallows is a junkie
then again it also has like 5 Space Sharks follow around an autistic child (yes this is legit) because he can see hidden portal-ways in reality
storm jungle
🚪
rustic spruce
Where does the 72% casualty rate from the iron cage come from, I can’t seem to find it
celest dome
Its been that way since Warhammer Fantasy too
Wasn't it more like all the Chaos gods were interested in eating Eldar souls ?
storm jungle
Wasn't it more like all the Chaos gods were interested in eating Eldar souls ?
Slaanesh liked High Elves souls the most due to them being more magically attuned and emotive compared to humans.
aka pretty much the same as 40k but minus them creating Slaanesh and replaced "psychic" with "magic"
celest dome
But they were less at risk than the Eldar are right ?
storm jungle
But they were less at risk than the Eldar are right ?
Nope. Ulthuan is already a shitty place to live for the most part and while the Great Vortex stops daemon armies from usually forming Slaanesh can still coerce them through other means like she does with any mortal.
celest dome
With the Eldar being bound to be devoured if not warded against while for High Elf they usually have their gods who take care of them
storm jungle
That also depends
they got waystone-totems dotted around their homeland to protect their souls from ever getting engulfed and also carry them around on their persons
its probably why they copy-pasted it to 40k
For the High Elves, there is also a secondary purpose to the waystone network. It is said that, to the hungry Chaos Gods, Elven souls are the most delectable of all prizes. Slaanesh, the Dark Prince of Chaos, is rapacious in all his appetites, but thirsts for Elven souls beyond all others.
Those few who escape the Dark Prince's maw must then evade the grasp of Ereth Khial, the Pale Queen, the Elven goddess of the Mirai or Underworld who seeks to steal away, imprison and torture Elven souls in her dark realm as part of her continuing vengeance against Asuryan, the Elven creator god. Such fates are truly worse than death for the Elves, ending either in total obliteration of the individual soul by becoming one with Slaanesh, or torment without end in the Black Pit of the Mirai
rich vale
Its been that way since Warhammer Fantasy too
Only in age of Sigmar, and they have a solution to it, it's called kicking Slaanesh in the dick until they spit out Elf souls
I'm pretty sure before age of Sigmar Slaanesh did like their souls, but they just went to the afterlife or the weave whatever as normal
rustic spruce
Are there any chapters that specialize in fighting tyranids
storm jungle
I'm pretty sure before age of Sigmar Slaanesh did like their souls, but they jus...
Yeah its more just you might get snatched by Slaanesh if you remain unprotected.
And yep in AOS teclis and co literally disemboweled Slaanesh to release a good chunk of the elf souls she ate
storm jungle
Are there any chapters that specialize in fighting tyranids
The most famous and skilled Tyranid Hunters are the Scythes of the Emperor, which were the first marines who made contact with the Tyranids I believe and nearly wiped out -
aswell as the Ultramarines. Hive Fleet Behemoth layed siege to their homeworld during the first Tyrannic War and the Ultramarines lost their entire first company in the process. As a result they had to rebuild their veteran company from scratch and their Master of Sanctity Cassius
created a new formation of warriors called 'Tyrannic War Veterans
' or short 'Tyranid Hunters' from the remnants of the 3rd and 7th company if I remember correctly.
That was a pretty big deal because it marks the only case ever in which the Ultramarines rewrote the Codex Astartes.
"It should convey some measure of the threat that the Tyranids represent to the Emperor's realm that their continued onslaught compelled the most Codex-adherent of all Space Marine Chapters to voluntarily alter their sacred doctrines. The fact of that alteration, of course, also speaks volumes of the Ultramarines' absolute determination to annihilate this rapacious xenos menace."
rich vale
I thought one of the angel related chapters were good at killing tyranids
storm jungle
storm jungle
I thought one of the angel related chapters were good at killing tyranids
That I'm not super sure on admittedly
arctic talon
I thought one of the angel related chapters were good at killing tyranids
Not really
barren tapir
Indigan praefects too