40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

Yeah literal nobodies

because they arent allowed to kill anything important

[urban spire]

squats for a while

[bronze elm]

I wanna see a few books of just nids wreaking absolute havoc and the protags are just trying to fuckin RUN

[storm jungle]

Also rewinding back, this might help: https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Portal:Imperium

literally has every imperial branch

feel free to cherry-pick

[bronze elm]

Perfect!!!!

[storm jungle]

🙏

[crisp heath]

Nids aren't allowed to win anything because they'd just destroy the setting with all that biomass, the whole galaxy has plot armor

[storm jungle]

also that

Orks cant do anything either

or Necrons

[crisp heath]

Orks and Necrons have their moments

[bronze elm]

I wish necrons could do things like

[crisp heath]

Brutal Kunnin was an ork victory, Necrons have the Pariah Nexus now

[bronze elm]

The silent king came back and idk what changed frfr

[signal bramble]

They attempted to justify the nids in devastation of Baal. Claiming they have to limit their incursions as much as possible for efficient biomass usage.

[crisp heath]

The only 'tyranid' victory I can think of is the Devastation of Baal (and the Doom of whatever that craftworld is called, but that was such a stupid win), and even then Chaos showed up at the last second and stole the show

Tyranids could be a much cooler big bad than chaos but they have to nerf them because they're too good at what they do lmao

[storm jungle]

They didnt even win at Baal

thats the thing

Okay like they ALMOST won

BUT OF COURSE

DEUS EX MACHINA

[crisp heath]

KAYOSS

[storm jungle]

OH LOOK

GULLIMAN ALSO BROUGHT US HELP

HOW CONVENIENT

but yeah

[crisp heath]

I mean Baal did end up thoroughly wrecked, I'd say they lost, it just didn't result in the end of the Blood Angels. At best, a pyhrric victory

[storm jungle]

Yeah but they got their ranks replenished

so thats something

[crisp heath]

they could rebuild, but if you have to rebuild you probably didn't do so hot lmao

Apparently 9th ed is going to have a lot of tyranid focus now that the whole "great rift" inconvenience is wrapping up, so maybe they can be redeemed. I actually have a lot of hope for some of the more recent WH media being put out.

[ruby wharf]

best speech ive heard from 40k so far
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1044893518822387752/1053488619794473060/v09044g40000cedkbf3c77uan9mb4r5g.mp4

[crisp heath]

Like obviously they're going to lose in Space Marine 2, but at least that game looks like a proper Tyranid invasion

[crisp heath]

have you seen the original animation?

[ruby wharf]

no

[storm jungle]

this speech is good until you actually read the lore

and realise how shit any human's life in 40k is

"Fight for the safety of the people he loves"

[crisp heath]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyGDo1ARpjI&t=0s

[storm jungle]

actively choking on fumes + dying in factories as slaves

[storm jungle]

god this brings me back

[crisp heath]

I mean tbf the guardsmen in question are Cadians and Cadians had a decent planet to go back to if they could survive the 20 years of mandatory service

[storm jungle]

Kinda

all the children you make are child soldiers and you dont really have a citizenry

[ruby wharf]

tbh i prefer the VA's version over the animation lol

[storm jungle]

same

its a lot well handeled

the voice-mod could use a BIT more work

sounds more skitarii than Astartes but thats my only nitpick

[crisp heath]

Idk I'm lean more to the side of "yeah life isn't that bad in the Imperium if you aren't in an active warzone". I know that most of humanity lives in the hives, and a good chunk of the rest on forgeworlds, but it's really just hiveworlds, forgeworlds, and death worlds are really terrible, these just get the most focus because they're the equivalent of cities

Although that may also be a Dan Abnett thing, since he gives us the most complete look at the domestic life in the Imperium and he seems to be on the side of "eh, it's aight"

[arctic talon]

Honestly hive worlds suck a lot

But life on an industrial world wouldn’t be too terrible

[crisp heath]

Oh no forge worlds are even worse than hive worlds, by a long shot

[storm jungle]

Almost pretty much every Imperial world is terrible

its the point of "a governor can run their world however he wants"

[arctic talon]

Forge worlds are

Ultra hell

[storm jungle]

Even if you got a nice thing going eventually your hand will be forced to kill your planet and make it shittier.

[arctic talon]

Hive worlds are super hell

[storm jungle]

Yep.

[arctic talon]

Some Agri worlds are normal hell

[storm jungle]

Agri-worlds mostly too yeah

they can be INCREDIBLY shit tho

[arctic talon]

There’s nice ones

But there’s also a ton of shit ones

[storm jungle]

yeah like

[arctic talon]

Also mining worlds and the like

[storm jungle]

a lot of the new books go into how horrific it can be usrprisingly

[arctic talon]

But a civilized or industrial world

Could be fine

Or you could live in North Korea the planet

[crisp heath]

there are paradise worlds too, but I don't think we really ever get too clear of a look at what actually goes on there

[storm jungle]

Paradise worlds are basically in essence:

• Good if you are a rich person

• You arent? Lmao good luck

[crisp heath]

Valhalla seems like a pretty nice world if you adapted to the weather, which it seems they have. You don't really hear too much complaining from Valhallans, they're just clinging to that one time orks invaded

[storm jungle]

tbh no even as a rich person your life would constantly be in danger

[storm jungle]

They live in caves and lick wall-snot

[arctic talon]

Yeah

The food on Valhalla is uh

[storm jungle]

so basically high school

[crisp heath]

Yeah I don't think that's too bad

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

bruh

[arctic talon]

It’s not the worst

But like

It’s still bad

[crisp heath]

It's not great but it's pretty ok

[storm jungle]

I mean

[arctic talon]

A lot of modern living standards are better

[storm jungle]

have you tried staying in a cave in sub-zero temperatures

I know i did once

not fun lmao

now imagine living your ENTIRE LIFE like that

[crisp heath]

Valhallans are literally adapted to those conditions though, like it's noted several times that they got hot enough to take off their coats in freezing conditions on other worlds

So like, it's shitty if it happened to me, but it is something they're culturally and probably biologically adapted to at this point

[storm jungle]

Biologically no the cold still affects them heavily

its something Cain mentions repeatedly

they are just lucky they got good clothing

[crisp heath]

Oh I am actually thinking of the Cain books, I got the exact opposite impression though

[storm jungle]

[crisp heath]

There's a lot of mention in there of the Colonel, whatever her name is, turning air conditioning down to freezing and how the Valhallans are always excited to end up in icy conditions

I got the impression it was very comfortable for them

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah

They’re trained for the sort of combat

And they grew up in that environment

They’ll be more used to it

[signal bramble]

Happens in Cain yeah.

[arctic talon]

Then say a jungle

[storm jungle]

Huh that might just be my book being inconsistent then

tho then again

Cain

so

[signal bramble]

Well growing up in an icy planet means what’s cold to us won’t seem nearly as bad to them.

[signal bramble]

Also layering thick clothing is the most basic survival tactic for living in icy areas. XD

Also when Cain and Jurgen are in an area with some ice Cain is having a bit of trouble and Jurgen is walking on it like it’s nothing.

[crisp heath]

I don't include Jurgen in any analysis because Jurgen is an outlier and should not be counted

[storm jungle]

Jurgen is bad

basically "stink joke the man"

[crisp heath]

Jurgen is my least favorite recurring Cain character yeah

[storm jungle]

JUST

I GET IT

HE FUCKING SMELLS

STOP FUCKING MENTIONING IT

HOLY FUCK

[crisp heath]

Even Bequin is a better blank than Jurgen though

[storm jungle]

literally

[signal bramble]

Don’t be disrespecting the best bro in all of 40k.

[storm jungle]

shut it stinky

[signal bramble]

No u

[crisp heath]

the best bro in 40k is Saul Tarvitz

[storm jungle]

god

[crisp heath]

Absolute homie

[storm jungle]

I just had a Better Call Saul jingle play in my head

i legit need to get coffee

[signal bramble]

Though of all the characters in Cain, I honestly think Amberley is the best written.

[crisp heath]

Amberley is one of the best female characters in all of 40k

[signal bramble]

Yup I agree.

She’s also the best written inquisitor in my opinion.

[crisp heath]

I do genuinely like Bequin, I just don't like the way Abnett handles blanks and it detracts a lot from what she could have been

[signal bramble]

Amberley manages to be cool, badass, fun, and cold as ice without ever becoming a meme.

[rose thorn]

Oop wtf did I miss?!

[crisp heath]

Felicia is also a really good character, it's nifty seeing a tech priest who is just too hedonistic to rise through the ranks

Cain: Felicia's mechadendrite connects at the base of her spine
Amberley: AND HOW WOULD YOU KNOW?

Wonderful dynamic

[storm jungle]

I was raging about Jurgen from the Cain books

[plush mason]

https://tenor.com/view/dead-horse-spank-exhausted-wake-up-gif-17245109

[storm jungle]

basically the books always mention he fucking smells and it gets obnoxious lmao

[plush mason]

lol

[signal bramble]

[storm jungle]

Spoilers

||Abnett can't really write women||

[crisp heath]

Not a huge secret lmao

[storm jungle]

lmfao

i know but still

[signal bramble]

A lot of authors don’t.

[storm jungle]

yeah...

Black Library is 99% made up of male writers

who all got beards and are halfway bald

theres only like 2-3 female authors in the entire thing and they rarely get to write anything lmao

[crisp heath]

Ok, so why we're talking about female characters in 40k

[signal bramble]

Justin Woolley is my least favorite. Once he wrote Naruto running catachans he lost all credibility.

Yes that actually happens.

[crisp heath]

Necrons used to be biological humanoids, and they clearly have a concept of gender, so what the fuck happened to all the female necrons

[storm jungle]

Uhh

they do exist?

[signal bramble]

A few are mentioned.

[storm jungle]

^

[signal bramble]

It happens in the books.

[storm jungle]

Yeah was gonna say

more just no VISUAL representation

theres even a Necron in the Twice Dead King book that changes their gender

[crisp heath]

I know there's supposed to be like, a female Phaeron but that's the only one I've ever heard about

[signal bramble]

A female necron overlord is probably visually indistinguishable from a male.

[last lagoon]

Volumptuous

[storm jungle]

AAAAAA

[storm jungle]

Theres many in the books

[storm jungle]

Wider hips probably

at least thats what id do

[signal bramble]

[storm jungle]

NOOO-

[crisp heath]

Dan Abnett would unironically write the phrase "brown orbs" and mean a different feature of anatomy every time

[storm jungle]

God its legit painful

also putting any female character in skintight clothing

like okay i wont judge that TOO MUCH because mood?

but still man

[crisp heath]

tbf we there's also a lot of guys in 40k in skintight clothing

[storm jungle]

the assassins dont count you dolt

[crisp heath]

Although I cringe a little every time I see that one Callidus assassin

[storm jungle]

I mean

as a woman I will say they do their job well

they get my stamp of approval

[crisp heath]

She was trying to sneak around but the clapping kept alerting the Night Lords

[storm jungle]

god 💀

I will take it over Mother Gullet

[plush mason]

???

[storm jungle]

Do you not know.

[plush mason]

no

[storm jungle]

Mother Gullet is reputed to have been a Callidus Assassin who was dispatched to a world where the Planetary Governor Thygmus van Spracht was defying Imperial rule. The legend says that she discovered the Governor's weakness in his love for his infant son. Disguising herself as the child's nanny, the assassin used the shape-changing properties of polymorphine to swallow the child whole so that she could safely walk out of the Governor's residence with it in her stomach.

As the tale has spread, the Callidus Assassin has earned the name of Mother Gullet.

https://tenor.com/view/kekwtf-gif-18599263

[crisp heath]

But yeah there's also male drukhari that aren't homunculi, slaaneshi men (of course), sometimes even space marines when they're not in power armor, Dorn has a literally masochistic bodysuit

[arctic talon]

The pain glove

[crisp heath]

I won't say it's exactly equal treatment but guys can get in on the latex in 40k

[arctic talon]

[storm jungle]

ill take that over the shit-rituals

also the ass branding

[plush mason]

so someone at BL was into vore got it

[arctic talon]

Where is the vindicare assassins bulge

[storm jungle]

I KNOW RIGHT

Like he does have the ass?

but man

such cowards

[arctic talon]

Have you seen the uh

Venonom assasins

[storm jungle]

The WH+ one?

OH YEAH

[arctic talon]

Ass cheeks lmao

[signal bramble]

||Also the scene where a bunch of Slaanesh marines go full hentai tentacle demon on some captured women.||

[arctic talon]

They’re so well defined

On the official paint job

[crisp heath]

literally the first google result for vindicare assassin has bulge

[storm jungle]

hes talking bulge-bulge

[arctic talon]

The mini

[storm jungle]

^

[plush mason]

and shit like that is why i do my best to avoid the smut side of 40k lol

[arctic talon]

They gave him an ass

[storm jungle]

bruh

that aint no ass

[signal bramble]

(It was in an official novel.)

[storm jungle]

thats FLAT AS FUCK

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

they legit took his ass

[crisp heath]

Honestly if you ever seen a caked up 40k character odds are its a woman or an ork

[plush mason]

so its official smut, still smut and still gross

[arctic talon]

It’s Ian Watson

So it’s non canon

[plush mason]

imo 40k is not a setting to be sexualized

[arctic talon]

All his shit is under heretical tomes

[storm jungle]

Basically

a lot of sexual shit happens in 40k

but like

[plush mason]

should have known

[storm jungle]

its not mentioned because we dont need to know about it

rightfully so

[plush mason]

ye

[crisp heath]

lowkey not even Eldar are supposed to be hot, they're uncanny. 40k doesn't mix well with thirst.

[plush mason]

no it does not

[storm jungle]

They are attractive in an alien way.

Its more the way they move that is unsettling and uncanny valley.

[arctic talon]

Imo the way they look in the rogue trader game is good

[crisp heath]

In fact, I'd go so far as to say the only attractive xenos in the entire setting is the Swarmlord and I will not apologize.

[crisp heath]

a lot of official art gives them weird faces too

[arctic talon]

She falls into uncanny valley

[storm jungle]

To be fair

have you seen the wya they do humans

my guy's face is a crayon drawing

[crisp heath]

Yeah that's a thirst trap Eldar but usually they look like someone tried to make a racist charicature of a snake

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

People are thirsting over the Navigator in that game

But she’s like growing scales

[crisp heath]

Only people with taste are doing that

[plush mason]

people thirst over literally anything

[arctic talon]

She’s mutating

[crisp heath]

Honestly yeah waifu tier

[arctic talon]

Lol

[crisp heath]

Swarmlord and Navigators are the only acceptable 40k waifus

ok like seriously though

https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/0/0a/Eldrad_Ulthran-0.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20160902185928

Eldrad looks like he's trying to convey an emotion beyond my understanding while holding in a fart

[arctic talon]

Is that Eldrad?

[rose thorn]

Lmao, black library loves smells

[arctic talon]

Guess it is

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/smelly-smell-mr-krabs-spongebob-squarepants-gif-14678137

[dusk patrol]

I assure you Dilara, it is imperative that we show the logical conclusion to the horrendous shit Drukhari, Slaneesh, and other depraved individuals must do in 40k

Why, its lore breaking that we don't get all the worst details!

Why yes I do think they should bring the old Repentia models back why do you ask?

[arctic talon]

So getting flayed alive

And having your muscles strung out like a Christmas tree

While you’re alive

[crisp heath]

Honestly I don't really like repentia because it's not my thing, but I'm pretty ok with other people liking it. yeah it's horny in a violent way, but it's not.... dark eldar.

[storm jungle]

The old repentia were way too horny

[arctic talon]

I don’t know why people want to see descriptions of what happens when the dark eldar or slaaneshi forces capture you

[storm jungle]

the new just wear bodysuits which is good

[arctic talon]

You’re gona get murdered horrifically

[crisp heath]

yeah I was referring to the ones who are clothed only in purity seals

[storm jungle]

The closest thing to sex Dark Eldar will be two of them ontop of you making out as you get tortured to death for them to enjoy themselves as they are out on a date

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

you are like a furniture for them to destroy lol

[arctic talon]

Pretty much lol

Or you’ll watch 2 of ‘em kiss to you getting flayed alive in a theater

[storm jungle]

^

this literally happens too lmao

[crisp heath]

I mean it's canon that most dark eldar are vat babies because they're kind of scared of the implication of having sex with their own kind lmao

[storm jungle]

Yes LOL

[crisp heath]

drukhari are too fucked up for the drukhari lmao

[arctic talon]

Also being pregnant

Is a big risk

Also one of the only trueborn we get the pov of

Has trauma from growing up under their parents

Truly a perfect society

[crisp heath]

Oh wow how would anyone be traumatized by growing up in a place as nice as Comorragh

[arctic talon]

He gets panic attacks when he hears his mother

Is going to come and visit

So sure let’s get a in-depth depiction of what happens when the dark eldar capture you

You get sold to a Kabal and put to work on some assembly line

The floor is made out of nails

With hooks on them

Then after you’re too inefficient they send you to get flayed alive

And then Idfk your twitching still living body gets strung up as a trophy

[dusk patrol]

Or worse, expelled!

[arctic talon]

And then thrown into an arena for people to fight over

[storm jungle]

I love them so much

[arctic talon]

Idk why any sane person

Would be horny for deldar

[storm jungle]

because elf

[arctic talon]

Or slaanesh

[storm jungle]

thats it

[arctic talon]

Okay but craftworlders exist

[storm jungle]

Yeah but "goth gf"

[arctic talon]

And they won’t kill your

[crisp heath]

I'm actually trying to find the only drukhari image I actually like, because it's actually tasteful and it does show how they can actually see torture as an artform, but theres only one image like that. Everything else is just too much.

[arctic talon]

Craftworld Luggnuth in shambles

[storm jungle]

LMAO

okay thats a good one

[plush mason]

tbf horny is known for lowering brain power in people

[storm jungle]

^

the most basic human emotion ever since we were cavemen is:

"Can I fuck that."

and so and so

[plush mason]

yes

[arctic talon]

Fair enough

[crisp heath]

https://th.bing.com/th/id/R.d71d31e3debd66ec7a4e00effd959131?rik=GOAI5ruayE9lCA&riu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.belloflostsouls.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2015%2F02%2FSwarmlord-1.jpg&ehk=bPjLrh3RofJCFHLdBaXe2BMiTNFBi8KV0up53wl0sbw%3D&risl=&pid=ImgRaw&r=0

waifu material

[plush mason]

lol

"get a person horny enough and they will fuck anything"

[arctic talon]

Anyways I’m currently being sealed within the most prestigious school in the imperium the schola progenium because I laughed at the drill abot

[plush mason]

been true from day 1

[storm jungle]

love the arm-goo-sacks

[plush mason]

be thankful they didnt crush your hand or something with their hammer

[plush mason]

thats the swarmlord right?

[crisp heath]

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Iirc they just rip your spine out

And put it on display lol

[crisp heath]

People ship Guilliman with Yvraine but when The Lion comes back we'll be shipping him with the Swarmlord, mark my words

[plush mason]

aka the bug that made calcar into the monty python black knight, and then somehow lost

https://tenor.com/view/monty-python-holy-grail-black-knight-ill-bite-your-legs-off-gif-4559278

man i love the nids

[crisp heath]

nids are great

[plush mason]

still my fav faction

with the guard being a close 2nd

[crisp heath]

please ma'am may I have a crumb of biomass

[worn pagoda]

What do Ogryn weigh?

[plush mason]

like a ton

give or take

they are massive

[worn pagoda]

I decided to look at Andre the Giant. He was about 7ft and weighed 500lbs.
Ogryn are normally 8-9ft.

[plush mason]

yeah nah they weigh a lot more than a human

around 1000 to 2000 pounds on average

so about as much as a bull

[worn pagoda]

That's true. Muscle weighs more than fat.

[plush mason]

and they have a shit ton of that lol

[worn pagoda]

God this is gonna be fucked.

I'm playing a Bone 'ead in Only War that's wearing carapace, has a massive slab shield, and carries a twin-linked M34 autocannon.

[crisp heath]

Ogryn actually do weigh around a ton

[rose thorn]

Chad ogryn vs virgin space marine

[crisp heath]

my source here is are the FFG RPGs

[worn pagoda]

Ogryn in the valkyrie head on the wall enjoying the shaking of the vehicle making his ears tickle.

[normal stream]

Anyone else find the valkyrie internal modeling a little tiny compared to the actual Valk models we have in TT?

I'm comparing to the Valk interior modeling that was done with the Elysians and it doesn't look like our Valk can really fit five dudes sitting side by side in a center bench

Feels a bit.. Short?

[storm jungle]

Its 40k

inconsistency is the name of the game

[normal stream]

😂

I really do wish I picked up one of those interior model kits at some point though, ah well

They were discontinued so fast

[brittle slate]

Kroot can match both in strength. Gigachad Kroot.

[rose thorn]

Lmao I fucking swear bolters are completely different for every data sheet.

[arctic talon]

Every gun just named bolter is the same

[signal bramble]

Density is not weight. 5 pounds of feathers weighs exactly as much as a 5 pound rock.

[arctic talon]

S4 AP0 rapid fire 1

If it has a word stuck in front or behind

That’s a bolt weapon

But isn’t a bolter

[signal bramble]

Wot

[rose thorn]

Omfg I never processed that

Bolt gun bolter bolter gun

Bolt rifle

[arctic talon]

Bolt rifle isn’t a bolter

Bolter is a bolter

On the tabletop

An lastrum bolter isn’t the same data sheet as a bolter

[signal bramble]

Bolt gun and Bolter were used interchangeably in the lore. On the table it’s different because certain rules apply.

[arctic talon]

That’s why it’s got a word shoved in front of it

[signal bramble]

They would differentiate a bolt pistol though.

[arctic talon]

The auto bolt rifle, stalker bolt rifle and bolt rifle

Are named that way bcs they aren’t the bolter

But every single data sheet I can think of

[rose thorn]

https://tenor.com/view/squidward-im-squidward-spongebob-squarepants-gif-14639116

[arctic talon]

With a gun called the bolter

[rose thorn]

That’s a bolt

[arctic talon]

Is S4

AP0

Rapid fire 1

[rose thorn]

Your a bolt, I’m a bolt

Wouldn’t they use the same ammo anyway????

[arctic talon]

No

They use different bolt rounds sometimes

[signal bramble]

Different calibers.

[arctic talon]

I.E the thousand sons hellfire bolters

Don’t use standard ammo

[signal bramble]

And different types of rounds.

[arctic talon]

Same with the lastrum bolters

Used by the custodes

[rose thorn]

By the end of this I’m gonna be found in my room with bolter and bolt gun written on the walls

Bolt bolt bolt

[signal bramble]

Bolter and bolt gun weren’t really different in the old lore. The terms were used and meant the same thing.

[rose thorn]

Hey guys, here’s my brand new gun. The bolt [X]

[signal bramble]

But now they’ve expanded the arsenal.

[rose thorn]

Someone should make a tier list of every 40K gun thta has bolt in the name

[worn pagoda]

No shit.

[arctic talon]

What weighs more

A kilogram of steel or a kilogram of feathers

[rose thorn]

Or; take a shot every time bolt appears in the arsenal list

[tropic tapir]

there are other regiments within the Moebian domain according to the new Vet cosmetic, so... why is the Inquisition is using prisoners as conscript again? Or are we just the kool aidman here to patch things up before the real boys come over?

[crisp heath]

Inquisition doesn't really like the Guard knowing about Chaos would be my guess. There was that little "months of shame" incident. Could also be that the planet is not at full-scale war yet and it's mostly relegated to Tertium so they think it can be handled by Enforcers + Inquisition assets, maybe PDF

The lore I've seen suggests the Darktide is also a constant threat, not something new, and refers to both Chaos and xenos, so there's Guard fighting in the Moebian domain, just not on Atoma

[tropic tapir]

still risking the control of the domain's capital is a questionable choice, okay technically we're part of the ''warband'' when we reached level 30, but still

Big Boss likes to play loose with the rules so it would seems

[signal bramble]

The guard will have some hint at the nature of chaos but it’s more like “these heretics believe in the emperor and use witches.”

[crisp heath]

It was also originally a guard matter, but all the guard that they sent are dead or corrupted so it could also be a change in tactics

[wintry loom]

Sanguinius revived when?

[crisp heath]

Yeah but the Inquisition really doesn't like Guard fighting literal daemons, and there's beasts of nurgle and that huge daemon in some of the mission. Honestly, if you wanted a real lore perspective this is the kind of thing Adepta Sororitas would handle, but I guess that just wasn't the vibe they wanted for the game

[tropic tapir]

Wait but didn't Cadians fought Daemons like every other day

Armegaddon I understand-ish

There's a Daemon Host ffs

unless yer man Inquisitor is under underprepared for the situation

[crisp heath]

I'm guessing this is an Abnett thing.

We never got a clear answer on how much the average cadian knows about chaos.

[tropic tapir]

say he is from Ordor Xenos or Hertical

[tropic tapir]

wait the other dozen black crusade doesn't count?

[crisp heath]

Abnett is one of the more liberal authors: he writes it as if the average guardsman not only knows about chaos, but the details of corruption, that daemons exist, etc.

[arctic talon]

Honestly

[crisp heath]

Other authors write it as though Guardsmen are told as little about chaos as possible, sometimes even executing them after fighting daemons, and the lore in general sits in a weird middle ground.

[arctic talon]

We’ve prolly gotten a briefing

On what we’re fighting

[crisp heath]

The standard answer is usually "they were told the daemons were just weird xenos"

[arctic talon]

Because it’s good to teach them the absolute minimum

Of your enemy

[crisp heath]

A good example of the second case is Sandy Mitchell. In the Caiphas Cain books, Cain needs to brief a lord general on what a chaos God is and explain there are different kinds of daemon, and even then that useful information is eyed with suspicion and contributed to him being accused of heresy

[arctic talon]

Honestly it’s sort of impossible to hide the existence of daemons now

Because the uh

Giant warp scar that’s splitting the galaxy in half that’s always visible

And spits out daemons regularly

[crisp heath]

Oh no the imperium is still saying they're just xenos and sometimes space just does that lmao

[arctic talon]

Oh yeah they’re acknowledging

The things exist

But not what they actually are lol

[crisp heath]

Authors vary on how much people actually know, but the official stance of both the Imperium and Tau is "nothing to worry about, just a minor xenos species getting a bit uppity"

[arctic talon]

Tbf on boarder worlds

It’s known what a daemon is now

Like

You’ll learn one way or the other that they aren’t xenos

[crisp heath]

If your world is actually inside the great rift you may have an inkling something is fishy lmao

[arctic talon]

Well

On the boarder

You’ll be able to tell lol

Being in it

Well you’ve prolly fallen to chaos lol

[crisp heath]

I do think there are a few worlds that were inside the rift and amazingly weren't daemon worlds once it began to recede

[short thicket]

the whole hiding chaos was dropped when the great rift opened

[arctic talon]

But it’s impossible to hide the existence of chaos to soldiers now

[short thicket]

hard to hide something that big

[arctic talon]

It’s done to an extent still

And chaos still was taught to people sorta

In a very vague way

As “the arch enemy”

Sort of deal

[crisp heath]

Yeah like they have to acknowledge something is going on, but it's downplayed massively

The official line is basically that the great rift is just a really big warp storm, it'll go away on its own as far as I know

[arctic talon]

That’s to the general populace

[crisp heath]

And people have always known there was life in the warp, they just didn't know that life was mostly embodiments of evil

[arctic talon]

To higher ranking officers it’s a giant warp rift

And it sucks

And odds are you’ll be going through it at some point

[rustic spruce]

what are the defenses on mars like compared to terra

[arctic talon]

The giant orbital ring is covered in guns

[crisp heath]

Mars is a fortress

[arctic talon]

There’s a bunch of surface to space weapons

And Mars is a giant labyrinth of stuff

The current forges and stuff have been built on even older stuff

[crisp heath]

Mars is so heavily defended it couldn't be sieged like terra, it had to be sabotaged from the inside

[arctic talon]

And going down there is uh

A big no

Barely anyone who goes down re emerges

One of the only successful expeditions was done by Arkhan Land

He disappeared on his second attempt

And he had an entire army with him

[crisp heath]

Like whatever the official mechanicum line is, they definitely have xenotech, and there is a c'tan shard that's ostensibly on "their side". That's on top of the actually known defenses which is basically guns on guns and guns.

[arctic talon]

It’s not a C’tan shard maybe

It’s just an eldritch horror

[crisp heath]

They probably have titan legions too, it'd be weird if there was a notable weapon of war that they didn't have in excess

[arctic talon]

That contains infinite knowledge

And doesn’t want to leave it’s cave

And wrote a book

[crisp heath]

I still think it's probably a big chunk of the void dragon. Everything's a bit too on the nose for it not to be.

[arctic talon]

Eh

A tech adept comes face to face with it

Gets a bunch of knowledge goes mildly insane

And becomes the new guardian of it

She’s still alive as far as we know

But she’s sort of stuck down there with it lol

[crisp heath]

Anyway the gist is that if it came to civil war between the mechanicum and the imperium, the mechanicum would win easily, and this is pretty much known by everyone who knows anything about how the imperium is governed

Mars is a scary place

[arctic talon]

Cannibal servitors

My favorite part is how on Ryza a bunch of cannibal servitors in the toxic seas

Devoured a few titans

When the chaos invasion began and they thought the toxic oceans were too undefended

[crisp heath]

Oh yeah and there's a fuckton of astartes on Mars too lmao

[arctic talon]

Yep

Tech marine training lul

If the tech priests, skitarii, and marines don’t kill you

Then the planet, rogue AI, chaos corrupted machines and random servitors

Will murder you

[crisp heath]

Are the titan legions still loyal to Mars or did that end after the heresy?

[arctic talon]

Depends on the legion

Most legions are loyal to their own forge world

Above all

[crisp heath]

Mars definitely has a few in reserve even if they dont have the ability to recall any legion they want though

[arctic talon]

Prolly

Mars and Ryza

Have the largest titan legions

Metallica also had a large one but uh

well let’s just say Metallica isn’t doing so hot

[ripe ravine]

knights are the ones more often divided between mechanicum knights and independent feudal houses

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Most titan legions don’t really care

About the imperium

Or rather they don’t care about them more then the mechanicus

[full bane]

Most Forge Worlds don't either.

[arctic talon]

I mean yeah lol

[full bane]

Gib resources, buy tech.

[crisp heath]

Mars probably doesn't have knights on hand though since they're pretty much exclusively built on feudal worlds

[arctic talon]

Mars does

[full bane]

And screw off from our internal affairs.

[arctic talon]

Have a few knight houses

[ripe ravine]

no there are two different kinds

[arctic talon]

Under their sway

[crisp heath]

Oh I didn't know that

[full bane]

House Taranis is based on mars, alongside a few others.

[ripe ravine]

feudal knights and forge world houses

[arctic talon]

Also yeah there’s forge world knight houses

And some are on moons around forge worlds

And feudal

I.E house raven

guess what happened to them

Belakor corrupted 90% of them

And stole the entire fucking moon

[ripe ravine]

usually the feudal houses have close alliances with the mechanicum and imperium but still consider themselves nominally independent

[crisp heath]

I never looked too deep into knights because I feel like they'd be less fun if I understood what they were saying

[arctic talon]

They’re funny

[ripe ravine]

they really aren't (independent) but a lot of them are from before the imperium let them have this

humanity rediscovered them and they were all yes god emperor good im still king though

[arctic talon]

But knight houses range from literal feudal knights who have alliances with the mechanicus or the imperium

Or a bunch of nobles on a forge world or industrial world

That are still feudal

[ripe ravine]

yeah knights worlds can be super varied

[full bane]

Some of the Mechanicus aligned houses are really buried deep into the AdMech operational structure as well.

[arctic talon]

Also ryza pulling a knight house out their ass from the depths of the forge world

Is hilarious

[crisp heath]

I'm just saying if you want to invade Mars don't be surprised if some tech priest finds an ancient "human" gauss rifle

[full bane]

And lack quite as much Knightly themes.

[arctic talon]

They have an anti matter weapon that’s definetly not dark eldar tech

It’s like the dark lance

Iirc

[full bane]

If you invade any Forge World, be prepared for the AdMech to pull a dozen weird and esoteric stuff out of their ass.

Maybe set an entire nebula on fire.

[arctic talon]

Inb4 the statue starts moving

[crisp heath]

I'm still dying over the ullanor/Armageddon shit they pulled, one of my favorite things in the setting

[arctic talon]

And it turns out to be a battle automata

[full bane]

Or the base complex you're assaulting gets up and walks away because it's the senior tech priest rather than a factorum.

[arctic talon]

Yep

[crisp heath]

In Brutal Kunnin they activate a daemon engine to fight orks because of course they did

[arctic talon]

Tbf the tech priests on that world made some really bad decisions

And that guy didn’t want to show anyone his new “innovation”

That he got from an stc

[full bane]

If the AdMech aren't high on their own superior intelligence and too arrogant to admit they're making mistakes, are they really the AdMech?

[crisp heath]

Literally the non-binary tech priest was the only competent one out of the whole lot

[arctic talon]

Nope

[ripe ravine]

the series isn't super well loved but one part of the Beast Arises I liked is || when the Fabricator General plans to adapt ork tech and teleport Mars to another system ||

[crisp heath]

That's exactly what I was referring to

And then told the imperium that they just threw the planet into the sun

[full bane]

A lot of the good AdMech characterization is them saying they're beyond petty emotion and are perfectly rational, then immediately showing that they're just as human and driven by ego, anger, and other emotional stuff, just in an alien-to-most and dispassionate way.

[rustic spruce]

do Ork Tellyportas have a casualty rate or do they function somewhat consistently

[ripe ravine]

high casualty rate

[arctic talon]

Ork tellyportas are pretty reliable but they do just kill orks sometimes

[ripe ravine]

well tbh that's kind of memes

[arctic talon]

Tellyportas Ironicially

Are pretty safe

[ripe ravine]

they probably aren't grimderp unreliable

[full bane]

To be fair, that war also saw Black Templars and Iron Warriors working together and Terra being attacked. Shit was kind of crazy.

[arctic talon]

normally

Now

If it’s a rush job

Or damaged

[crisp heath]

Yeah necron teleportation is usually safe because it doesn't use the warp, but ork tellyportas are a bit more unstable but far more powerful than imperial teleportation because they both use the warp

[arctic talon]

Shit starts getting fucky

[ripe ravine]

there's a non zero risk for sure though like with all ork tech

[full bane]

There's no such thing as truly safe warp-based teleportation.

[arctic talon]

Honestly Eldar teleportation is prolly the safest warp based teleportation

Still is uh

Risky to say the least

[crisp heath]

All non-necron teleportation is basically a warp jump

Which is a uh

Warp jump

[arctic talon]

Yep

[rustic spruce]

do orks build or steal spacecraft aside from roks

[full bane]

Both

[arctic talon]

Yes

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/c/cc/Ork_Deadnot_OrdzGargDaka.png/revision/latest?cb=20200705033946

[ripe ravine]

space hulks and pretty much anything they can get their hands on. they build a crude rocket on a planet in the Ghazkhull Thraka novel

but also Freebootaz

[crisp heath]

Orks build bigger ships than humanity in like a week, but they keep breaking them because they ram other ships indiscriminately

[full bane]

Orks make spaceships, they steal spaceships, they weld together half of their own ship onto another ship. Sometimes they just attach engines to derelicts on the wrong side.

[arctic talon]

This one is literal built to ram ships

It’s an escort kekw

The Brute Ram ship

Is the funniest escort

[crisp heath]

Battlefleet Gothic Armada 2 has an ork ship ram a human ship and the ork ship is massive

[ripe ravine]

yeah when you think of an ork "built" spaceship, it's just a really big rocket with some orks inside

[crisp heath]

Orks also are able to fix up space hulks enough to pilot them, but that usually just implies sticking a big fucking rocket on the back

[rustic spruce]

is that a gargant mounted on the top

[ripe ravine]

yeah there's a lot of salvaging other species tech

[arctic talon]

Behold the kill kroozer

[ripe ravine]

"salvaging"

[arctic talon]

Maybe?

[full bane]

Gargant probably wouldn't be noticable at that scale.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[full bane]

That there is an ULTRA MEGA SUPA GARGANT

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly some giant thing

[full bane]

Or just a bit of the ship built in the shape of a Gargant.

[crisp heath]

Bad Moonz once stole a whole necron world engine, painted it yellow, and promptly crashed it

[full bane]

Sometimes they build their ships in those shapes, they often don't fly.

[arctic talon]

Did you hear about the Death skulz war boss

Who looted a planet

[full bane]

looks at GorkaMorka

[arctic talon]

To prove everyone wrong

If you’re wondering how he looted a planet

He crashed a ton of roks into it

And looted chunks of the planet

[rustic spruce]

i wonder what causes an ork to become a freebooter

[crisp heath]

Fun

They just like it

[arctic talon]

Fun and wanting teef

[crisp heath]

Blood Axes are the only orks who don't really become freebootas because other freebootas hate them for being un-orky, but most orks are willing to turn to piracy and mercenary work

[full bane]

The process of Orks trying to build a spaceship

[rustic spruce]

one of my favorite freebooter tactics is them just firing every gun at an enemy vessel while attempting to ram it

[arctic talon]

I love ork kommandos

[crisp heath]

Still think it's hilarious that orks and humanity were allied at one point. Truly the best of friends.

[rustic spruce]

humanity truly does bring out the best in the orks

[arctic talon]

Well “allied”

They’ve allied a few times

But it usually devolves

The current alliance is on Armageddon

With the Orks and Steel legion fighting against chaos

[crisp heath]

I'm thinking of the cybernetic revolt during the age of strife. Humans allied with xenos to get rid of the Men of Iron, implied to be both orks and Eldar along with minor species

[arctic talon]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/60010199037_KT2Group2.jpg

Kommandos my beloved

[crisp heath]

The cybernetic revolt was the biggest conflict since the war in heaven and its a shame it doesn't get talked about more

[arctic talon]

Well

Prolly since it would ruin the mystery

Of it

[rustic spruce]

imagine passing through an asteroid field and looking out a window to see a freebooter ship hiding amongst them

[crisp heath]

Idk I'm just really fascinated by friendly relationships between xenos and imperials

[arctic talon]

Ynnari

Sorta

Uhhh

Craftworld Iyanden

[crisp heath]

During the Horus Heresy, Eldar ships had the right of way and mankind wouldn't attack craftworlds because the Emperor was personal friends with Eldrad

[arctic talon]

And Craftworld Ulthwe

Other then that

Not much

That’s universal

Iyanden is allowed in imperial space and Ulthwe has a few political agreements

[crisp heath]

I'm trying to remember which book it was that an Eldar ship passes a primarchs flagship and they shut off their guns and engines to let it pass

[arctic talon]

Ulthwe and House Belisarius

Have a pact

[crisp heath]

Grey Knights also return spirit stones when it's feasible

[arctic talon]

Ulthwe has 7 coins

And they’re allowed to use them to have house belisarius pretty much drop whatever they’re doing

And help them

[crisp heath]

The inquisition still has a deal with Eldrad, but I don't know the specifics of it

[arctic talon]

And house belisarius has no relation to

Belisarius Cawl

Since house belisarius is a navigator house

[crisp heath]

I'm going to be real here, I want them to bring back half-eldar, but only if it's super inconvenient and horrible to make one

We're talking invasive surgeries and genetic modification

[arctic talon]

Tbf

The dark eldar have a surgery

To turn an eldar into a human

And it pretty much turns them into a human in every way aside from their soul

[crisp heath]

Nah let the imperials have their Eldar waifus, but only if they hide from the inquisition and agree to have their gonads jangled

If Fenrisians are half wolf corsairs should be half human

[rustic spruce]

the necron experience

[crisp heath]

Im ngl Trazyn talking mad shit to Cawl is one of my favorite cutscenes

Oh since we're on the topic, what do yall think about the possibility of Vashtorr becoming a full God after Arks of Omen concludes?

I'd really like to see something shake up chaos a bit and honestly he's cooler than any current chaos gods

[rose gyro]

Trazyn, Cawl, and Fabius should really sit down and have a chat of science

[arctic talon]

I don’t think it’s likely

[rose gyro]

no.

[arctic talon]

But I think he’d become a minor god

Not anywhere near the big 4

[rose gyro]

he just a puny who jumped out from nowhere

[crisp heath]

I'm honestly kind of holding out hope that the whole "demi-god" talk was GW testing how fans would react to the possibility

[arctic talon]

Prolly bigger then Malal and Malal is fucking tiny

[rustic spruce]

isn't Szeras essentially the cawl of the necrons

[arctic talon]

No

Well

Sorta?

[crisp heath]

Every Cryptek is Cawl

Cawl is just a human Cryptek

[arctic talon]

He wants to figure out how to perfectly replicate life

[crisp heath]

Anyway Vashtorr is least impressive enough to lure Abaddon into a pact, which could just be bad writing but I do think that's something GW would know is a pretty big deal

[rose gyro]

https://preview.redd.it/4sv3qgwu5i881.jpg?auto=webp&s=5d5a2ed876b61454ecc1eacee107e0963926368e

[arctic talon]

I’d say it fits

Abbadon needs muscle

And weapons

Vashtor can provide one of those things

In massive amounts

[crisp heath]

Abbadons whole deal is he doesn't trust chaos unless he's the one in control, that's why he hasn't completely been daemonfied yet

He doesn't deal with chaos gods or daemons on equal footing

[arctic talon]

His deal with vashtor doesn’t seem to have a terrible cost

As far as we can tell

[rustic spruce]

have we ever seen perturabo's daemon prince form

[arctic talon]

No

[rose gyro]

no.

Perturabo's ascension to daemonhood seems a bit...easy

500 geneseeds

that's all it takes

[rustic spruce]

it's kinda funny how loyal the iron warriors were to perturabo given how much abuse he heaped onto them

[crisp heath]

honestly the World Eaters is better for that kind of drama. Angron is written pretty poorly usually, but the World Eaters themselves? Mwah.

[rose gyro]

it was a shock that no daemon prince was raised from Istavaan V

[rustic spruce]

horus' and his massive migraine from fulgrim refusing to show up for the palace assault

[rose gyro]

he's pretty well written in Echos of Eternity though

since we got to see|| his brain and spine torn out||

[rose gyro]

Fulgrim left the siege after Saturnine

[crisp heath]

I'm about to post the Betrayer quote, Gods forgive me

There was nothing of mockery in the Word Bearer’s reply. Only sympathy. Khârn’s skin crawled. He’d have preferred mockery.

+*It didn’t work?*+

The drop pod’s sides closed in, armour plating locking to block all view of the hangar beyond. Khârn’s last sight was of Argel Tal ascending the gang-ramp into a red XVII Legion gunship. ‘No,’ he muttered, as much to himself as to the distant Word Bearer. ‘It didn’t.’```

Love that shit.

The better HH books make me super sympathetic for the traitor legions. The worse HH books make me wish I was illiterate.

[rustic spruce]

honestly after the events of godblight I just imagine big e throwing a big ass psychic rock at tzeentch's crystal house

[crisp heath]

If Kaldor Draigo doesn't get there first lmao

But honestly the Emperor is still barely conscious and in immense suffering. Healing Guilliman took a massive effort and I'd imagine he's napping at the moment.

[tropic tapir]

and even then one might wonder if Girlyman is enough to...salvage the situation

[crisp heath]

I mean the Imperium has been on the edge of total collapse for 40 real world years. GW won't let it happen because then they lose their setting, but the point is that the situation is unsalvageable.

Rn the lore seems to be focusing on the power of faith, where Guilliman is lacking. He's a rennaissance atheist, who knows the Emperor as a person, not a god, and now the lore is leaning towards faith being a real power unrelated to the warp that can resist chaos whether the emperor is actually intervening or not, with the acts of saints in the HH books and the war in the Pariah Nexus. Guilliman has no faith, so he's at a disadvantage.

[mystic geyser]

Pulls some nonsense in Godblight mind

[tropic tapir]

they can still do it the collapse, think the Dune's Scattering or before the Great Crusade

like the quote from Romance of the Three Kingdoms ''the Empire long divided must unit; long united must divided, this is how it always been''

[heavy bison]

Does anyone recall there being mentioned any particular Sisters of Battle sect having some Affiliation with Living Saint Messelina?

She’s a creation of the Darktide specific lore afaik?

[spark relic]

Yeah she is

Was never mentioned before this game iirc

[heavy bison]

Trying to figure out if she had any particular Color’s associated with her. Getting back into 40k tabletop and already picked up a kill team of Traitor guard, was gonna nab the SOB kill team but do a custom order maybe if there wasn’t one otherwise mentioned.

[dusk patrol]

All we have is a description from a short story

[celest dome]

I would go for purple, like the Enforcer/Cartel that are in the Torrent

[heavy bison]

I'm kind of holding out for like, a Shrineguard cosmetic that might hint at preistly/order millitant colors in the sector.

Someone else mentioned blue as Messelina colors, not sure where that was taken from though.

[plush mason]

every single zealot skin so far has been red and both are from people in the sector so i would have to say red is the color

[heavy bison]

Yeah, but so is the base colors for everyone.

[plush mason]

true

[barren tapir]

Red is a great colour though

[heavy bison]

Like, the first double pack was grey

[plush mason]

the first zealot bundle was red with a black vest and the current one is all red robe over armor

so for a SOB scheme i would say an inversed our martyred lady scheme would be a safe bet

unless im remembering their scheme wrong

[spark relic]

Black armour with red cloth is the Martyred Lady scheme

[plush mason]

ok so i remembered right

[spark relic]

If you did Red armour black cloth it might become order of the Bloody Rose

[plush mason]

lol i literally only know our martyred lady and sacred rose :/

[spark relic]

Bloody Rose scheme

[plush mason]

yeah it would be bloody rose just with no white

[urban spire]

our bloody lady of khorne

[sinful crater]

this is a true eviscerator :x

[heavy bison]

Of the OG orders, Bloody Rose is my favorite scheme - I just want to try and do something Moebian themed.

That said, I mostly just assume that our characters default stuff is red because A) Inquisition Warband, B) Color of the eclessiarchy.
I regret not screenshotting the lore blurbs that went with the first two Zealot Packs though.

[celest dome]

It should still be available on the store

[plush mason]

the first one isnt

not rn at least

but iirc it said it was the armor of a local missionary leader or something like that

[heavy bison]

I do know the Local PDF seem to mostly wear light blue.

[plush mason]

where do you see PDF?

[heavy bison]

At the start of missions sometimes.

Look at them up close/with flashlight. They're not wearing Black and Red.

[plush mason]

it looks grey to me

[heavy bison]

Grey/Navy Blue

[plush mason]

yeah

get a better look at their shoulder icons

[heavy bison]

Lots of nice details.

[plush mason]

big red 21 lol

[heavy bison]

XD

I assume the Inqusition is being smart and just only sending down strike teams/forces via Valkyrie. Since any time other Valkyries arrive with backup its always the PDF too, not Inquisition Troops.

And not actually garrisoning anything on the hive.

[sinful crater]

more the inquisition is only one ship right now, they had needed to go get reject in a penal ship because they lack troop, then hold position with the little troops they have is... don't forget that normally the 6th moebian was means to serve as army for rannick task... but we know how it ended

[heavy bison]

That too.

[plush mason]

was it meant for rannick? i thought the local governor called them in to put down the cult uprising

[heavy bison]

They would have assisted the inqusition regardless - except - the whole Turned Traitor thing.

[sinful crater]

at the start it was a cult uprising, rannick was send as command unit for the 6th moebian that was send for deal with it. sadly the 6th was heretic and did join the cult, leaving rannick with only the mourning star to deal with a double uprising

[plush mason]

where is that info from?

[sinful crater]

for make simple instead to put down the fire, they did throw gazoline on it... and the situation have take a turn for the worst

1st vox on them youtube channel tell that the 6th that did come from the frontier did join the cult and how they are killing everyone and everything with the cult.

[plush mason]

yes

[sinful crater]

the rest are simple deduction, Rannick is an interrogator, it's someone important in grendel organization... you don't send someone like him for do the job himself, he was here for be in charge.

[plush mason]

but it was Melk not Rannick that was responding to the wyrmwood's messages

[sinful crater]

the prologue show how zola go take prisonier for interrogation and how they are forced to accept some reject because lacking manpower

do the CEO answer call?

[plush mason]

in the most recent vox yes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uo0Q2Jojt6s

[sinful crater]

melk answer because rannick have other task... melk is mainly the one that is in charge with information, morrow with the who goes where

Rannick is the leader that take decision

the fact that melk had no other choice than ask morrow to go send a warzone report throught the reject show that the situation is quite bad.

[plush mason]

the vox seems to imply that the rejects where marrow's idea from the start and only after their own forces had failed did they green light his plan

[sinful crater]

yeah, simply because reject are expandable... even if the warzone report fall in the heretic hand it's simply report that show what they know already. since auric operative are too precious to send to that sort of suicide mission

[plush mason]

yeah

still interesting that Rannick is no where in that vox

[sinful crater]

mostly because he did order melk to transmit the warzone report to grendel, sadly the normal communication method was not possible, no choice than send reject

[plush mason]

maybe he did maybe he didnt

i will never put it past any inquisitor to keep his/her own interrogator out of the loop on some things

Melk has apparently worked for Grendyl longer than Rannick has so he would be the one that Grendyl goes to if he wants something done without Rannick's direct involvement

[sinful crater]

he was probably the one redacting the report and analyzing the data... with the situation as it stand he have no choice than work hard for find solution... because i doubt grendel will like that rannick loose a world he was send to secure

[plush mason]

is grendyl on the morningstar or not?

[sinful crater]

not here

a message tell that grendel organization is quite big

voice line in the new mission

that the pilot that talk about it

[mystic geyser]

Haven't really worked out where Melk fits in

[plush mason]

he is some noble that works for grendyl is all i can tell

given his age and the fact that he claims to have worked for grendyl for so long that the inquisitor "relies on my excellent judge of character" i assume he is very high up

possibly equal to rannick

[spark relic]

He's an Interrogator, right?

[plush mason]

melk? no

[spark relic]

Oh wait I though you meant rannick

mb

I didn't read properly

Melk could have been around for a long time as a part of Grendyl's retinue so he could be very high up the ladder without looking like it

[plush mason]

ye

the inquisition is all about soft power like that

[spark relic]

All about the most unlikely people having the most control over any given situation

[plush mason]

Melk may even supersede rannick in authority

[spark relic]

Maybe, but Rannick is an interrogator, meaning he's an Inquisitor in training

He's probably pretty high up

[plush mason]

yes but he is young so he may be new and there for not have a much trust as someone like Melk

and trust = authority in the inquisition

[spark relic]

Sure, but Rannick could also just look young

[plush mason]

true

[spark relic]

They love youth surgeries in the Inquisition

[plush mason]

true

[spark relic]

It has a name but I'm too lazy to look it up

[plush mason]

rejuv treatments or something like that

[spark relic]

Oh yeah rejuvenat

Not sure I spelled it right but that's the one

[plush mason]

yeah. very literal naming lol

[spark relic]

Imperium does like to be literal

[plush mason]

sometimes

[urban spire]

rejuv treatments don't necessarily make you look young, they are unreliable

and start failing after a while

i believe for most folks it keeps them looking late 30s to late 40s for a century or two

although of course you can get additional work done, if that's your inclination

[spark relic]

The quality of the work differs from surgeon to surgeon

[plush mason]

yeah and i honestly put Rannick at around that age

[plush mason]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V60JsVWmEfs

ok so there where genestealers in the sector at one time

[sinful crater]

if they was genestealer at one time it means you still have genestealer, hard to purge this...

[plush mason]

ye

[sinful crater]

we know that ork too are present in the sector

[plush mason]

ye

[sinful crater]

but i doubt we will see them before we get to see some expansion size content, i means it will recquire to leave tertium for go on another battlefield. and we only did start in tertium

[plush mason]

well. they exterminatused the planet with the genestealers

so unless some escaped with the troops (which is very possible) that threat is done with :/

[spark relic]

Would be cool since the only time we've seen GSC in a game is Spacehulk Deathwing

And they were usually not around a lot

[plush mason]

yeah

[celest dome]

I'm really not interested in having Xenos in Darktide

Like there plenty of Chaos stuff that hasn't seen any video game representation

Like even other than bringing more Nurgle stuff I want to see Khorne/Slaanesh/Tzeentch represented here

[signal bramble]

It’s going to depend on the level of power scaling they want to convey. A beast of nurgle or a massive nurgle corrupted Ogryn are pretty impressive kills for just four individuals.

Canonically speaking, the monstrosities are the strongest enemies we’ve fought compared to anything else. Strictly speaking they should be harder to kill than that random boss at the end of that one mission.

So depending on the power scaling I’m not sure what else we could fight aside from maybe lesser daemons, some of the beasts of each god, and cultists.

[chrome dragon]

The Daemonhost is the strongest foe we can slay

And those things can fold astartes

[spark relic]

So can ogryns

[signal bramble]

I’m not sure about that. The daemonhost is a human possessed by a daemon. A beast of nurgle is an actual daemon.

Like a full on warp entity.

Daemonhosts also have seals and restraints on them which limit their power significantly. So the DH isn’t even at full strength.

[spark relic]

Just a note, beasts of Nurgle are among the weakest class of daemon

But it's still really impressive that 4 random people can kill one

[lilac wave]

Well, it's certainly among nurgle's lesser daemons, but they are a great deal stronger than plaguebarers.

[blazing crescent]

What's the best starting point for looking into the lore for 40k? I'm relatively new and am very curious.

[spark relic]

Check out the Lexicanum website, watch some yt videos or buy a novel

Loads of ways to get into it

Pick your poison, so to speak

[celest dome]

Sorcerer/Psyker as Assassination targets, Flamer of Tzeentch, Fiend of Slaanesh

Maybe a Hound of Khorne, like a big one

[signal bramble]

I mentioned the beasts of each god.

[celest dome]

Having lesser Daemon as uber Elite

[signal bramble]

The Khorne juggernaut I think it’s called.

[celest dome]

Like the Ogryn ones

[signal bramble]

The Bull thing.

Bloodcrusher?

[celest dome]

The bull/Rhino is a Juggernaut

[signal bramble]

That’s it. I couldn’t remember the name.

[celest dome]

Bloodcrusher and Skullcrusher are when they are mounted, Daemon and Mortal riders

Like having 3 other Cults like the Dreg and the Scabs

Each with their own particularity (Dreg: Number and melee; Scab: Ranged and armour)

[plush mason]

tbf i dont think you can really call the guy riding a juggernaut a mortal anymore

[celest dome]

Like Khorne would have less units in it's hordes but they would be better individually

I don't think there are Skullcrusher in 40k

But in Fantasy they still are mortals

[plush mason]

kinda. the knights of khorne are living weapons, they dont eat or sleep they only fight and the ones on the juggernauts are some of the greatest of their number

[lilac wave]

If you're looking for novels, Eisenhorn is a great starting point into 40k. If you'd prefer to read about space marines there are so many good books, you could almost pick whatever chapter/legion seems coolest to you. I might specifically recommend Dante as a great space marine book. If you're into Chaos the Fabius Bile Books are awesome, and same for The Infinite and The Divine if you think Necrons look cool.

If you'd rather listen to youtube videos there are a bunch of fantastic lore channels. I love Baldemort, guy has a great voice and a real unmatched love for 40k lore. Oculus Imperia is also fantastic, both channels should have good introductions to a lot of topics. You could also try out Adeptus ridiculous, which is a pretty light hearted podcast sort of thing. Not like, a super duper amazing source but it's a bit of fun and is probably a nice very general introduction to a lot of topics especially their earliest casts.

[celest dome]

I mean, aint that the case for all the Chaos Knight when they get Daemonic mounts ?

[plush mason]

ye

[celest dome]

But still, they are considered as Mortal, as when killed they don't reappear in the Warp like Daemons

So still only 1 life

[plush mason]

yeah i was just saying they are just barely mortal by that point

and are most likely made into bloodletters on death

[celest dome]

Do we know if Daemon are made out of Mortal stuff

Apart from Daemon Prince, Exalted Champion

[plush mason]

in fantasy they are. khorne makes his bloodletters from the souls of those warriors he deems worthy

thats actually part of valkia's job iirc. leading warriors of chaos into war so she may find the worthy few to become khorne's demons

[signal bramble]

In 40k, the plague bearers are a mix. Nurgle can make more but those infected by his diseases can get turned. As for the horrors, daemonettes, and bloodletters they’re all made by their deities far as we know.

[plush mason]

yeah

[celest dome]

I though that had been retconned to be honest

[spark relic]

I couldn't imagine pink horrors to be made out of anything but warp-stuff

[plush mason]

same

[signal bramble]

The nurgle thing? No it happens in the plague wars.

So it’s recent.

[plush mason]

like in fantasy the bloodletters are the only ones made from mortal souls like that afaik

everything else is just shat out of the warp by their given god

[celest dome]

One of the theory about Daemon i remember was that all Daemon are made of mortal follower, but that not all are from the same reality, as the Chaos Gods play the great Game multiple times

[signal bramble]

Hell the chaos gods are powerful beyond anything we can conceive. So it’s just as likely they make the daemons themselves and use the countless souls to make them also.

[celest dome]

That was the thing that i though was cannon, that all Daemon are simply fragments of the Chaos Gods

Except the Exalted Daemon and Daemon Princes

[signal bramble]

Hell Slaanesh probably finds taking the soul of a fallen Chaos marine and turning in to a daemonette that services him to be a fun diversion.

[signal bramble]

Nah. Nurgle turns infected humans in to plaguebearers. Therefore it stands to reason that all four chaos gods are capable of similar.

[plush mason]

the greater demons are. idk about the lesser ones

[celest dome]

Horrors are most likely made from the mind of people

But still, I think there are ways to make the 3 other Chaos God Cults work with the current roster and give it a good spin for each

[sinful crater]

the trouble is not how hard it is to create the 3 other chaos god cult, more about avoid to be banned in some country.... yes i talk of you slaneesh!

[celest dome]

Slaanesh isn't just nudity

[dusk patrol]

And has also been done in multiple games without being banned

Much less gorey and violent games than this

[celest dome]

Like since each group would be cults, you could have the Slaanesh one be a Noise cult

[noble hinge]

I really hope the warhammer 40k series is gona be great, but in todays woke culture, they would probably have to tone down in the xenophobia, gore, extreme amount of violence etc so i hope for the best but ill expect some woke garbage

[celest dome]

Trans or LGBT+ character would be completely fine

[storm jungle]

What do you mean by "woke garbage"

[signal bramble]

Slaanesh cultists would probably give this game an M rating though.

[storm jungle]

They really wouldnt

Slaanesh is easy to do, just stretched skin/torture/hellraiser visuals

[full bane]

Excess, sensation, and pleasure don't necessitates nudity and sexual content.

[storm jungle]

Yeah as ever its 40k fans being coomers

[silver hawk]

So based on those statements not warhammer then?

[vital kernel]

I don't really see Darktide going through all 4 chaos gods, it would get tired really really quickly to just have a cultist variety hour.

[storm jungle]

I genuinely do not trust anyone that uses the word "woke" to complain about this stuff

[celest dome]

They could, but there are facets of Slaanesh that would be alright

[storm jungle]

40k is already incredibly violent even with Darktide's current rating btw

[full bane]

Hellraiser vibes work great, I'm also partial to the whole decadent nobility aesthetic. Throw on some resplendent guard, sense-enchancing drugs loaded in incense burners, and hammer in the corrupt decadence.

[storm jungle]

its not a big difference

[storm jungle]

Total Warhammer 3 did it perfectly i think

best animation work ive seen in awhile among other things

[full bane]

Gotta love the robes and gilding yeah

Sigvald.jpg

[brittle slate]

Lol, if that’s not the world’s easiest red flag.

[storm jungle]

LEL yeah

[brittle slate]

The spotlight isn’t going to be kind on the warhammer community when it clicks on. Lol, siiiiiigh

[signal bramble]

Based on what he said, I think he means that he’s concerned that they’ll tone down the brutality of the imperium to make it more appealing to wider audiences.