40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

They’re fed by the corruption around

[storm jungle]

^

Just draw a pentagram, say the words, ez pz believe me

[dusk patrol]

It is a little hand waving that we’re able to take them on

[orchid sleet]

and now they are just kinda vibing there?

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[orchid sleet]

hmmmm

[dusk patrol]

It’s like the Daemonhost, should we be able to take it like we do?

Probably not

But it’s a game

[storm jungle]

yeah theres a reason we mostly avoid it

you can handwave it by saying its just a regular daemon posessing it

but even then it packs a punch

[orchid sleet]

yea, but for the sake of game balance and enemy variety you just kinda have to nod and go ok

[storm jungle]

Yeah more or less

[orchid sleet]

the zealot and guardsmen are stronger than they would be

[storm jungle]

the darktide characters are basically your Dark Heresy team

aka

they can kill anything

they can die to anything

[orchid sleet]

the psycher would be a hell of a lot less consistent

[orchid sleet]

they are literally just the 40k suicide squad

you have a literal demi god

then some chick with a baseball bat

and somehow they are on the same power spectrum because reasons

[uneven temple]

AI director is the worst DM in history

[storm jungle]

I love reading a space marine novel only for a random pox-burster to come out teleporting out of a doorway and kill them

[vital kernel]

It's a process explained pretty well in the latest Siege of Terra book. Once the barrier between the warp and realspace are getting thin enough, Daemons can manifest out of mortal matter. When it gets even worse, they just manifest out of thin air.

[orchid sleet]

so a

uhhh

whats it called

warp rift?

i think thats the term

[vital kernel]

Enoug death and misery in one place will make it easier for Daemons. Especially with Culists goading them on.

[ruby sparrow]

Outside of overuse or extreme use or accidentally having something go wrong, and simple warp affinity, and basic rules on blanks and stuff, are there any real limitations on what psykers can do with warp stuff

In lore

[echo vault]

Must be tough being a nurgle worshipper with dysgraphia , you can't handwrite well for the life of you

probably summoning some weird bootleg nurgle demon

[twin seal]

You literally listed all of the real limitations.

[echo vault]

where are these guys in darktide, probably too ugly

very too ugly

[ruby sparrow]

So psykers can do all sorts of odd things its just that theres a risk of shit going horribly wrong especially with overuse or when you push yourself

And more warp affinity more bullshit you have to learn to filter out

[twin seal]

If you don't maintain your focus, chaos could use you as a conduit and tear a hole in the materium. There is a soft scale of what is more difficult to preform than others. The peak example of human psychic powers would be Malcador the Sigillite.

There was a space wolf who summoned an ice wolf and it started freezing him to death. A salamander cut off his summoning arm which was iced over in order to banish the summon.

[ruby sparrow]

For some reason my dumb ass has tried to translate the stat and skill system from disco elysium into being psyker shit in a piece of writing

[twin seal]

Lmao, good luck

[echo vault]

What is the funniest piece of Warhammer lore to you

[uneven temple]

Someone trying to translate the stat and skill system from disco elysium into psyker shit

[plush mason]

like haha funny or cringe funny?

[vital kernel]

I think this image is rather useful to visualize a Hive's makeup.

[echo vault]

I'd say haha funny

[sinful crater]

i wish we had more info about the sector and what force are present into it.

[plush mason]

cant think of any then

[sinful crater]

funny fact, the time a changeform did come on the rock tell the dark angel that the space wolves was actually traitor and chaos pawns because of the wulfen.... and no one did found out it was a changeform, funny no?

[normal stream]

Multilasers.

[plush mason]

thats just typical dark angel incompetence so its hard to really laugh at it

[sinful crater]

dark angels yes, watcher in the dark? not noticing a changeform on the rock ^^

[normal stream]

Or they don't care or have their own reasons to not say

Also, do you mean changeling? I've never heard of changeform.

[plush mason]

afaik the watchers in the dark stay hidden and like most of the chapter dont even know they exist

[sinful crater]

yeah sorry

well it was still funny to see how the soo paranoid dark angel was duped

[normal stream]

Then I know the story you're talking about.

The Changeling freaked the fuck out at a Watcher

And turned tail and ran

Book is Legacy of Russ.

[sinful crater]

don't remember the name of the book, where the space wolves was besieged by the chaos and the inquisition... a big mess

[normal stream]

That was the Months of Shame

IIRC different book.

Also different time periods, no?

[sinful crater]

no i know the month of shame... the other one was a different one

month of shame did end with bjorn waking up and teleporting in middle for stop the conflict between the inquisition and the space wolves

[normal stream]

Yeah, Months of Shame was 1st Armageddon War

So earlier part of M41

Legacy of Russ were latter years of M41.

[sinful crater]

by the way month of shame was a bit strange, the inquisitor had a soo big power to the point he was able to ignore the council what is weird. especially since we never did learn from who he was receiving his order.

not that it's important since he was killed at the end

[tulip sand]

Bro

I cant find any info about that gorkzilla gargant

[sharp grove]

What's the full version of the insignia text on this Contemptor Dreadnought? https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/8/82/Minotaurs_Contemptor_Dred.jpeg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/1000?cb=20151015095803
Something like "nora ad astra"?

[sinful crater]

i'm curious, do you think a skittari is possible as class?

[tulip sand]

What would they do

Like what unique thing

Afaik theyre just mechanicus soldiers

[signal bramble]

Not likely.

A criminal skitarii would get rendered down for parts.

[tulip sand]

I could see them having a mechanic like natty bond

Self repai

[sinful crater]

not all class need to start as reject, some can come from reinforcement that was called by grendel

[tulip sand]

Repair

[signal bramble]

I don’t think they’ll put in that much effort.

Tbh

Not when they have an intro/tutorial level that is easily reused.

[sinful crater]

the trouble is the reject start will fast limit what they can do.

[tulip sand]

Kind of

Maybe as a subclass you unlock at some point

But idk how the mechanicus recruits ppl so

[sinful crater]

plus, you don't need to put the same scene, it can be class you can't play before reach a certain point with another. making them able to bypass the cinematic

[sick bronze]

we talking Mechanicus class?

[signal bramble]

They’re usually born in to it but people do convert if they’re really interested in machines.

I think the next class is going to be a human medic.

I don’t want to get my hopes up.

[sick bronze]

thatd be pretty neat tho if it were lore accurated theyd immediately be turned into a servitor

[sinful crater]

let me dream a sororitas hospitalier

[signal bramble]

Maybe a magos biologis.

They’re usually looked down upon.

[sinful crater]

or a magos

[tulip sand]

Well imagine this

[sick bronze]

as a reject?

[tulip sand]

Like a skitarii subclass

[sick bronze]

ooo

[tulip sand]

And you get more augments as you level

So instead of feats or whatever you have augments

[signal bramble]

There’s not much that would differentiate it from the sharpshooter.

I really think the next class is a support.

[sinful crater]

not need to be a reject, like said we did send a warzone report to grendel for tell the situation is bad and we need reinforcement, the new class can perfectly be reinforcement send by grendel

[tulip sand]

And you dont use medipacks or medicae but you regen 1 health every 2s

Self repair

[sick bronze]

thatd be really sick

[sinful crater]

don't forget that we will continue to have new mission added with time and class is normally means to be out every quarter of years

[sick bronze]

thats so true and im so here for it ❤️

[sinful crater]

it will be a smart way to bring more fresh blood to the roster, to use this story that grendel did send reinforcement and the reinforcement will be the new class.

[sick bronze]

we would have to get more character slots, thats one of my few issues coz i love character customization

[sinful crater]

yeah, i feel the 5 slot will be a trouble.... exept if the new "class" are only subclass of the one we already have.... i will be very sad if they take this easy way for it

[sick bronze]

i dont think theyd do that because if they wanted easy they wouldve kept the original idea of four set characters instead of custom characters

[sinful crater]

i hope it, but right now i wish they was coming and will be transparent about what they means by new class

[sharp grove]

Could a pysker on the level of ours (delta/gamma) be strong enough to create a warp tear, or summon a daemon? Would they survive?
Could a weak epsilon level psyker say 'screw it', let chaos take over them, then become a supremely dangerous daemon/etc?

[sick bronze]

thatd be massive heresy

and a bit op

[plush mason]

so i guess cigarettes are still a thing in the imperium

[sick bronze]

ofc

[sinful crater]

any psyker can be possess that why they are feared... they are like door that can be used by the daemon every time they use them power too much

[echo vault]

How do genestealer cults produce the iconography and designs that are more Tyranid-y? Is there a secret manufactorum making cult iconography and shit like the magus' cowl

[sharp grove]

Haha yes, assume betrayal, heresy, Chaos god manipulation, etc

[sick bronze]

thatd have to be if they dont watch their psychic level (i.e. dying from being 100%)

which would be super neat

[sharp grove]

That's the impression I got and that's awesome

[sinful crater]

that the thing, normally psyker don't want to allows this and control them psychee...

[timid ferry]

Lho-sticks

[sharp grove]

Also that most psykers are usually twice as powerful as they seem because they never dare 'redlining' their full power

[sinful crater]

actually our psyker is kinda weak if we compare it at some psyker

[sick bronze]

yeah thats true, but Rejects Psykers are built different ig(?)

[sick bronze]

strong enough to not be batshit insane, shoot lightning, and pop heads

but not stupid strong

[sinful crater]

a good psyker don't gonna only pop your head, if you see what i means.

[sick bronze]

support class level strength

[sick bronze]

yeah

but

game balance

[sharp grove]

I hope we get a subclass for psyker like Sienna's Unchained. Just fully embrace the warp

[sinful crater]

no bad game design it was possible to do this better while stay balanced... the thing is the psyker we have is simply a copy of sienna of VT

[sick bronze]

thatd be cool

oooo what if we got an Eisenhorn type inquisitor class? where theyre a bit psykic, shoot spells, stuff like that

[sinful crater]

i want a psyker specialist of melee combat ^^

[sick bronze]

maybe a good in between for zealot and psyker

[sharp grove]

Kinda like Sienna battlemage, maybe less powerful on the magic side

[sinful crater]

not really haha

psyker and mage of warhammer are not really working the same

[arctic talon]

Yeah psykers are

[sharp grove]

True

[arctic talon]

A lot more volatile lol

Their peak is a lot stronger

But their uh

[sick bronze]

and insane

[arctic talon]

Accidents are also a lot bigger

[sinful crater]

ermmm a lot of mage of warhammer are kinda crazy

[arctic talon]

The most insane mage in fantasy

[sick bronze]

i chalk that up as being a human

[arctic talon]

Doesn’t hold a candle to the most insane psyker in 40k

[sick bronze]

Big E?

[arctic talon]

I said insane

Not powerful

[sharp grove]

I just meant re: Eisenhorn combo of skills, warp-assisted melee sounds like how Sienna battlemage was more melee focused than the other 2 classes

[sick bronze]

ohhhh insane in mind, not in power

whoops

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Insane in power I’d say being able to turn the entire human population of the galaxy into psykers(magnus) is more impressive then most fantasy mages

[sick bronze]

zealot battle set, psykic abilities maybe

[sinful crater]

that because the scale is not the same

[arctic talon]

Okay but turning all humans in the empire into mages

Is beyond the power of any fantasy mage we know of

[sick bronze]

think Sigmar could possibly match Big E in a fight?

[arctic talon]

Sigmar in AoS

Shits on big E

Sigmar in Fantasy at his peak is a match

[sick bronze]

30k Big E vs AoS Sigmar

[arctic talon]

AoS sigmar

[sick bronze]

thatd be an amazing fight

[arctic talon]

He just crushes big E with a storm of giant hammer from the sky

[sharp grove]

A.S.S.

[arctic talon]

Sigmar in AoS is a literal god

[sick bronze]

so is Big E

practically one anyway

[arctic talon]

Ok but Big E can’t throw hands with a literal chaos god and come out on top easily

[sharp grove]

Okay 50k Big E ascended to Chaos god vs A.S.S.

[arctic talon]

And big E doesn’t constantly support his own forces

With miracles

And spells from the heavens

[sick bronze]

isnt that a fan theory?

[arctic talon]

Like

[sharp grove]

Yes, not official by any means

[sick bronze]

Sisters of Battle Faith abilities

[arctic talon]

A casual battle in AoS with the stormcast vs chaos has sigmar chucking a few lighting bolts

And vaporizing a chunk of an army

[sinful crater]

doesn't the goldenthrone about the break down?

[arctic talon]

Before the fighting even starts

Sister of battle faith abilities

[sick bronze]

possibly?

[sharp grove]

but Big E vs Sigmar is even more fan theory lol

[arctic talon]

Are nothing like the gods intervening in AoS

AoS is far above 40k in terms of magic power

Because the literal gods intervene in fights all the time

[sick bronze]

well ofc, itd probably never be an official thing, itd be fun tho

[sick bronze]

true

[arctic talon]

Khorne sometimes just has a giant axe smash a bunch of people

Because he’s bored

[sinful crater]

i have read somewhere that a story about how the golden throne was about to break down in a century or two and they did try to fix this but it did fail miserably, everyone involved was killed it seems

[arctic talon]

The golden throne is breaking down

As far as we know

[sharp grove]

And the emperor is getting a cramp in one leg too I heard? (not joking)

[sick bronze]

yeah coz Dark Age tech is so old and know one knows much, i.e. Angrons butchers nails

[arctic talon]

Mfw big E couldn’t figure out how to rip them out

Without killing angron

[sinful crater]

well without forget the emperor in the golden throne is not....exactly the emperor of 30k

[sick bronze]

that sounds like it a TTS joke 🤣

[sick bronze]

true, true

[sharp grove]

Haha it was in a serious lore video on YouTube, don't remember which

[stuck kindle]

I think it was Vault of Terra

[sick bronze]

hey didnt Majorkill make a versus vid on this?

[sinful crater]

i'm thinking about something that is litterally heresy at this point.... i means the emperor need 1000 soul per day for survive right?

[stuck kindle]

In vault of terra they were trying to bring a dark aeldari to try and fix the golden throne.

[sick bronze]

1000 psyker souls

hence the Black Ships mentioned in the Psyker backstory in game

[sinful crater]

that have gone like this for 12k year now.... right?

[sick bronze]

10k years, yes

started ever since he nearly died by Horus

[sharp grove]

Yes but over a million psykers are born a day

[stuck kindle]

Like they should have been out of the gene pool by now?

[sinful crater]

ok let's say 10k years

[sick bronze]

its an Imperium of a million worlds, and Trillions upon trillions of humans being born

[sinful crater]

means the emperor did eat 3.650.000.000 soul soo far... that kinda insane

[sick bronze]

also psyker mutation kinda just happens

[sick bronze]

hes hungry

[timid ferry]

Also, psykers are becoming more common iirc

[sharp grove]

A psyker is 1 in 1 million. A hive city alone is 10 billion so a thousand psykers per hive city, then imagine the entire universe

[sinful crater]

what if the emperor was about to ascend?

[signal bramble]

Ever since the cicatrix happened psykers are being born at a drastically higher rate, random people are suddenly becoming psykers, and all psykers are getting stronger and stronger by the day.

[sick bronze]

coz 13th black crusade blew up Cadia

[sinful crater]

i means like slanesh but on the long terms

[sick bronze]

and they have just a few little guys trying to staple it shut

[signal bramble]

Yup, raw warp stuff is leaking in to the material realm and it's causing those effects.

And people that look at it for too long go crazy also.

[sick bronze]

i really want a 40k or AoS game with slaaneshi enemies but thatll never happen

[signal bramble]

Doesn't the new total war warhammer let you play as slaanesh?

[arctic talon]

Yes

Or rather

[sick bronze]

yes but to an extent

[arctic talon]

A greater Slaaneshi daemon

[timid ferry]

Swagvald the magnificent

[signal bramble]

Yeah I didn’t mean the literal god.

XD

[sick bronze]

just read Fulgrim in the Horus Heresy series of novels

it gets very very degenerate very very fast

[sharp grove]

Oooh what if this is leading up to feeding emperor TEN thousand psykers a day in an effort to revive him?

[timid ferry]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=skFKNudZuWM

[signal bramble]

It’s one of those logistical things they don’t want you to analyze too closely.

[sick bronze]

yeah in the 40k "end times" fan theory he basically becomes a fifth Chaos God because of believe and his already considerable presence in the warp

[sick bronze]

ahh yes, our fav degenerate incestuous Aryan cannibal

[sharp grove]

Yeah I'm the one who joked about 50k chaos emperor vs sigmar :P

[sinful crater]

well knowledge is dangerous, it must be hidden and such

[signal bramble]

I think he’s going to possess Guilliman, either for the longterm or permanently.

[sick bronze]

idk if fans would like that, thatd be interesting tho

[signal bramble]

I didn’t say it was a good idea. Just what I expect to happen.

[sick bronze]

yeahhh Big E is a major prick so i can see it as accurate

[sinful crater]

i expect the lion and leman russ to reappear because of the situation

[signal bramble]

Kind of like the new Tau goddess thing or the Catachan Naruto running. It’s really bad ideas but they did it anyway.

[sick bronze]

yessss please more Primarch minis

[signal bramble]

Go to forge world and gib money.

[sharp grove]

Yeah what's he been up to all this time, just galavanting around the warp?

[sick bronze]

i was Peter Turbo back

[signal bramble]

Though we will probably get a daemon Fulgrim once the EC get their own codex.

[sinful crater]

let's face it the situation is kinda hard for gulliman only.... gonna be hard to face all the primarch on the chaos side if they decide to attack together

[sick bronze]

dude if Dorn came back then he and Guilleman are gonna butt heads constantly

[signal bramble]

Abaddon gathering them for the final battle. Yeah they’d eventually turn on each other at the last second.

[sharp grove]

Send in the Rejects

[sick bronze]

PC Ogryn vs Snake boi Fulgrim

[sinful crater]

i dunno, honestly if dorn come back and see the mess... he gonna offer gulliman to go drink for forget this mess

[sick bronze]

nah thatd be Leman

[signal bramble]

Dorn is stubborn but he’s smart enough to realize how serious things are.

[sick bronze]

true

[signal bramble]

Same with the Lion.

[sinful crater]

no he will be the one to bring the booze!

[sick bronze]

De Lion isnt really a people person tho

[signal bramble]

Idk. I still remember the story of Russ and the Lion fighting and it was Russ who realized how stupid it was.

[sick bronze]

doesnt he have Autism?

[signal bramble]

Then Lion punched him and knocked him out.

[sinful crater]

i see lion come back and take control the north of the galaxie side of the imperium

[sick bronze]

ooof a split imperium?

[signal bramble]

Lion is willful and has a superiority complex but he’s smart enough to realize how serious things are.

The argument will be who should be in charge.

[sinful crater]

that why it possible that gulliman will offer to be in charge of the south and lion the north like this they don't have to butthead with each other

[signal bramble]

I can imagine any one of them seeing their dad’s sword and saying “gimme.”

[barren raptor]

Robot Goodman = Alpharius. prove me wrong

[signal bramble]

That’s Cypher obviously.

[sick bronze]

maybe a strained co-op with G man and Dorn

[signal bramble]

Man the Alpharius novel is so good though.

[sick bronze]

i love the va for it

[signal bramble]

Yep. He nailed it.

[sick bronze]

too bad Alpharius is bald tho

bald = evil in 40k ig

[signal bramble]

at the very first line of the book where he said “I am Alpharius. This is a lie.” With an absolutely perfect delivery, I knew the book was going to be great.

Same thing with the dude who plays Ciaphas Cain, I think he does it perfectly.

[sick bronze]

ya see Alpharius is pretty chill, but dont talk to Alpharius no matter what your buddy Alpharius says, especially after Alpharius tried to fight Alpharius

[signal bramble]

[sick bronze]

but Alpharius won, despite how strong Alpharius was

[sick bronze]

but it was Alpharius was quicker than Alpharius

[sick bronze]

I love it, even tho i shouldnt

[arctic talon]

I wonder what omegon is up to

Unironically

Since alpharius got fucking sawed in half by Dorn

[sick bronze]

either he died on Pluto as Alpahrius, or Alpharius died on Pluto and Omegon took Alpharius' name in his honor

[arctic talon]

Nah we know it was Alpharius

Since we get omegons POV

when alpharius dies

But he def goes as alpharius now

Since Omegon never existed to most people

[signal bramble]

Watch out for them ork warbasses.

[sinful crater]

hehe i can see a modifier where a group of mega nobz drop

[sharp grove]

8 billion on Earth IRL
400K daily birth rate
~50K daily births per billion (it doesn't work that way but for simplicity's sake...)

4-8 quadrillion in Imperium
1 psyker in every million (not accounting for great rift increasing numbers)

So...
Imperium daily birth rate would be 50-100 trillion
Psyker daily birth rate would be 5-10 million
1-2 billion living psykers
Feeding 1,000 psykers to emperor every day is a drop in the ocean. They could bump this up to a 1 million a day and resurrect him in a jiffy
What I really wonder is how many Black Ships there must be

[signal bramble]

They’ll never give us exact numbers but a few books hint at the black ship numbers being a massive fleet to rival that of the navy.

[sharp grove]

Yeah that's fair. I assume it will always be whatever's enough

[twin seal]

There are two separate events where Alpharius was reported to die. One was by Rogal another was by Guilliman, so who even knows for sure.

[arctic talon]

The rogal one is confirmed to be alpharius

In the book

It had the primarch light explosion and everything

[twin seal]

You can never know for sure with GW though

[arctic talon]

The one with G-man didn’t

[twin seal]

They'd find a way

[arctic talon]

I highly doubt it

Considering we get Omegons perspective, the explosion and Dorn almost dies to alpharius

[twin seal]

You know the amount of retconing and changes they go through

[arctic talon]

They barely retcon

[twin seal]

Lol sure

[arctic talon]

You wana name a recent one that’s mattered

In terms of changing how characters work

Or the background

[twin seal]

All humans are psykers

[arctic talon]

That’s not true

What

[twin seal]

It is true

[arctic talon]

It literally isn’t

[twin seal]

Within the last few years, GW has stated that all humans are psykers\

[arctic talon]

humans being a psychic race has always been a thing

Literally since 3rd or 4th

[twin seal]

Most just arent strong enough to do anything

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That’s been a thing

Since forever

Humans are a psychic race

[twin seal]

Humans being able to be psychic has been a thing

[arctic talon]

That doesn’t mean all are active psykers

[twin seal]

But its been explained as psykers, non psykers, and blanks

[arctic talon]

Also not all humans can even manifest psyker powers

[twin seal]

Now non psykers are just weak psykers

[arctic talon]

It isn’t?

People who show no psychic ability have been known to all of a sudden gain them

Due to the fall of Cadia and the great rift

But no where does it say all humans are inactive psykers

[twin seal]

No psychic ability used to mean not having any psychic presence

Now it does

[arctic talon]

That’s

Literally not true

Souls are a psychic presence

[twin seal]

It is true

[arctic talon]

You want to back that up with a source

[twin seal]

They've specified recently

[arctic talon]

Because as far as I’m aware

It’s been this way since 4th edition at least

[twin seal]

In the 90s and 00s it was talked about differently

[arctic talon]

That’s 3rd and 4th edition

[twin seal]

The point is that it hasnt always been that way

[arctic talon]

Or rather the 2000s is 3rd and 4th

And that’s the beginning of modern lore

Rogue trader and 2e aren’t relevant

In discussions about retconning

Because the entire setting got redone between second and third

And that isn’t a recent retcon either

It’s been 24 years since third edition

[twin seal]

The way Abbadon is viewed is recent retcon then

[arctic talon]

It isn’t?

[twin seal]

Only recently has he been writen as not a failure

[arctic talon]

Literally not true

[twin seal]

You're insane then

[arctic talon]

But believe what you read on 1d4chan

Because he hasn’t failed every black crusade

[twin seal]

I'm talking about the 13th

[arctic talon]

Because they were never always meant to topple the imperium

[twin seal]

No

[arctic talon]

The original 13th black crusade?

[twin seal]

He is being written now as though he is successful and this is all part of a larger plan

[arctic talon]

That GW retconned near immediately

And brought Eldrad back to life

Even tho he died during it

[twin seal]

He was written as a failure back in ~2004

[arctic talon]

That’s 18 years

That’s older then some people in the hobby

[twin seal]

They changed it as soon as 2019

I dont get what you want

[arctic talon]

They changed it before

Since Eldrad was brought back to life

When he died in the original 13th black crusade

Which got retconned in 6th edition

[twin seal]

I dont see anything about that changing the way abbadon was viewed

[arctic talon]

Because his black crusades were never meant to topple the imperium all at once

And he wasn’t even in charge of a chunk of them back then

Some were essentially massive supply runs

Even back in earlier editions

The only thing that made him an absolute failure was the original 13th black crusade

Which was based on tournament results

[twin seal]

You're quoting codices but I'm talking about the books.

[arctic talon]

What

[twin seal]

The books don't have it until like 3 years ago

[arctic talon]

Codexes take priority over the books

[twin seal]

That is opinion and not fact

[arctic talon]

But I’m just gona leave this conversation here since neither of us

Are going to change our position

[sinful crater]

just saying this, GW write the codex, book are write by people all different, then hard to know who take precedence.... all in all we can just try to compromise and find a fine line between the two but that hard...

[arctic talon]

Codexes are written by GW themselves and black library books are written by writers contracted by GW

It depends

Is the answer

But codexes usually contain lore relevant to changing the setting as a whole or large scale things

[sick bronze]

Yeah like how Angron bodied Commisar Yarick in the new Guard codex... they took away Ghazkul's pride and joy...

[dusk patrol]

You mean the unspecified death which hasn’t been elaborated on?

[sick bronze]

Was it not the angry man himself?

[dusk patrol]

There’s no cause of death given yet

[broken zenith]

Phil Kelly was originally considering a Crone World Eldar variant army list for 3E Codex: Eye of Terror of Summer 2003 Eye of Terror/13th Black Crusade global campaign instead of Ulthwe Strike Force variant army list, RIP.

tho he still managed to sneak them in 8E rulebook as a nice easter egg xD

[arctic talon]

I still find it really wwird

They killed Eldrad in the eye of terror campaign

And then brought him back to life

Like 2 editions later

[ocean charm]

why not just send in space marines to deal with the nurgle dudes? seems like they'd be pretty effective at it.

[dusk patrol]

Same reason we don’t send in special forces to clear a rat infestation

Although in this case there seems to be a lot of issues compounding on itself

[granite pulsar]

Guys forget that WH is full of unreliable narrators, so it is hard to discern what is really what happenwd. Also, things from old lore are have been retconned multiple times and the story will continue to evolve.

But yeah, while there are rumors of Yarrock falling to angryman himself, there is no confirmation, niether in codex, nor in book. We just know he has been publicly declared death (whoch doesn't even mean he really died) by the imperium.

[chrome tendon]

I wonder if we'll see about Brahms' story in this game, she is the narrator of Darktide intro.

[signal bramble]

Even if they’re present on the planet, clearing out a hive of infestation isn’t generally their thing. They’ll be on the frontlines going for the enemy’s main force.

Assuming they even called for Astartes aid and they answered.

[rose gyro]

the game said none were available around

besides this is just a day to day business, not worthy sending the Astartes

[sick bronze]

She Who Thirst enters the chat...

[rose gyro]

😈

[ocean charm]

no way is that the Slaanesh Demonson!?

(thanks for the answers y'all)

[rose gyro]

I wonder if a Plague Marine boss was in the game

[sick bronze]

itd have to be a FINAL FINAL boss

[rose gyro]

he would easily be far stronger than the Heretic Captain who got killed 10,000 times in the game

[rose gyro]

we would need four veterans carrying bolters and plasmas then

[ocean charm]

fighting a death gaurd space marine would be so sick

[sick bronze]

or maybe an "Oops all Ogryns" situation

[long kelp]

on tabletop a plague marine could absolutely go down in a round of shooting to our squad ingame

i'd personally like a space marine as a raid boss, but a strong one

like a sgt or captain or smth

people severely overestimate space marines, and underestimate how powerful our dudes are

a guard-scale bolter, plasma, thunder hammer, a psyker, an ogryn

even on it's own, those're all space marine killers in the right situation

all 4 combined makes for a very spicy situation for any one marine

a squad of marines would clown on us, though

or a veteran marine

[arctic talon]

Yeah we can def kill a marine

With our best gear

Only issue is they’re gona be a thicc boy

[red remnant]

What year is it in Darltide?

[arctic talon]

Post fall of Cadia prolly during the indomitus crusade

[arctic talon]

To put an actual number sometime post 41,000

Since it’s M42

[normal stream]

I think most people don't actually play the TT, unfortunately.

And the books tend to give overinflated perspectives of SMs

[normal stream]

Until you get them in melee 🙃

[normal stream]

Indomitus Crusade is mentioned, as is Guilliman, so definitely M42

[long kelp]

especially in melee

marines can leverage their strengths much more in melee

ie reaction times, actual speed, strength, their sheer size and mass

[arctic talon]

TLDR don’t try punching one

[long kelp]

a bullet doesn't care how fast your reaction times are

especially 4 of them

[normal stream]

If we're talking lore, sure, maybe. In TT space marines are still a joke in CC.

[arctic talon]

Lore

On the tabletop yeah

[long kelp]

unless they're dedicated yeah

[arctic talon]

Marines suck

In melee aside from like

[long kelp]

on tabletop marines slap wtf are you on about

oh

[arctic talon]

Vanguard vets

[long kelp]

in melee maybe

[arctic talon]

And death company

[long kelp]

you need dedicated melee for them

[arctic talon]

And any melee unit

[long kelp]

but that's true for almost any faction

[normal stream]

yep

[arctic talon]

Also Straken is sorta hilarious

Because if we take tabletop stats as accurate

[normal stream]

But basic SMs are pretty hilarious to just tie up in CC

[arctic talon]

He can punch an armiger to death

But tabletop stats aren’t accurate because I’m gona be honest here

As badass as Straken is

[normal stream]

Doesn't he have an augmetic arm?

[arctic talon]

I don’t think you can beat a giant mech to death with a sword

[arctic talon]

Yeah but still

[normal stream]

So.. not as far fetched?

[arctic talon]

Somewhat?

[long kelp]

absolutely far fetched

[arctic talon]

It’s still a bit insane

[long kelp]

40k lore is "whatever we feel like is strongest right now"

[arctic talon]

The armiger should be able to just step on him

[normal stream]

Like I'm looking on Lexicanum and there's an artpiece of him tearing the head off a Crisis suit

[arctic talon]

Keyword is should

[long kelp]

an armiger sometimes is way stronger than him

sometimes he might just do that

because it's cool in the moment

[arctic talon]

Honestly Straken is hilarious

[normal stream]

And Forrix power fisted a Warhound's foot off

[arctic talon]

Mostly since he’s better then like

[normal stream]

so..

[arctic talon]

99% of fucking marine characters

In melee

[normal stream]

yep

I mean most of the guard special characters can kill a basic marine fairly easily

character profiles and all

[arctic talon]

Yeah but I’m more so talking about marine HQs

Vs Straken

Bcs he can punch most chapter masters to death

Which is funny

[normal stream]

Right, but in lore a basic SM should still be faster and way harder to kill than any ol guard special character

😛

At a basic level

[arctic talon]

Yeah

It’s more of a funny thing

[normal stream]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Of how the tabletop works

[normal stream]

I think they just need to re-do how TT works completely.

[arctic talon]

Bcs the Lord Solar is strength 10 lol

Not his melee weapon

Baseline he’s strength 10

[normal stream]

lmfao

[arctic talon]

Which makes no sense but it’s funny as fuck

[normal stream]

I haven't looked at the new guard dex yet

Maybe that's meant to represent his mount?

[arctic talon]

Nah

[normal stream]

The new lord solar right?

[arctic talon]

His only melee profile

Is his sword

Which is strength user

[normal stream]

lolol

[arctic talon]

So he’s technically stronger then a greater daemon if khorne

If we wana use tabletop as lore lul

[normal stream]

yeah the statline of guard characters always amuses me

[uneven temple]

he's built thick, solid, tight.

[vital kernel]

Don't mess with this Lord Solar. Played Scola Ball y'know.

[scenic sun]

tbf he probably has enough augmentics to make a tech-priest blush

[solar canopy]

any thoughts and wishes on what Henry Cavill and Amazon gonna do with the IP now?

[celest dome]

Nothing known other than he will be the producer and an actor in it iirc

Hope they make a self standing work

[solar canopy]

i know ... i just meant what do you guys think he should do

[celest dome]

Not a SM centrict story, either a fully new story, or one about the Inquisition, maybe with a few SM appearing as recurring character

[solar canopy]

like ... the whole HH in 68 seasons

yeah i was thinking adapting gaunts ghosts or ciaphas cain

i always had the idea that doing a Gaunts Ghosts series in an HBO Bands of Brothers / saving private ryan style would be gold

wasnt there talk about an Eisenhorn series a year back anyways?

[celest dome]

Still in the planning iirc, by the people who made the Man in the High Castle or something

[solar canopy]

so with Amazon having bought the rights that might transfer over to them now possibly

and we end up seeing Henry Cavill as Ravenor xD

the glorious floating egg

honestly if i was in charge i would cast Henry as the Emperor and just whenever you see an image of the Emp its Cavill

and i would splatter images of the Emperor EVERYWHERE

every second statue is Henry Cavill looking down upon you in his shining golden armor

[vital kernel]

If they end up being as true to the source material as they were with the Lotr show we're in for quite a ride.
Though I have hopes for Cavill as a keeper of lore.

[timid ferry]

^ Cavill isn’t the one I’m concerned about. It’s Amazon and GW. If either of them screw the pooch (and both have a history of doing so) it might be the nail in the coffin for any future 40k shows

[ripe ravine]

I think it would be wise to manage expectations as far as big spectacle shows like the Horus Heresy. movie quality sci fi television still isn't exactly cheap, just look at Kenobi

I think there's a clear temptation to lead off with space marines but it would probably wiser to start with something more grounded

then again Cavill is a mega buff custodes fan so I wouldn't be surprised if they cast him as someone like Valdor

[storm jungle]

Cavill said that he almost has an army of every faction

but he did show interest in playing a Primarch because of course lol

[vital kernel]

Cavill would make a great Horus

[celest dome]

Cavil as Russ, Lion or Corvus would be more fitting than Horus I'd say

[vital kernel]

Cavill is too charismatic for either of those

[tiny root]

he can conceal his tiny hands in a big termy suit

[sick bronze]

I think he would made a good Eisenhorn

nut i suppose if its gonna be the first live action (or possibly animated) 40k movie/show that isnt that really bad Ultramarine one theyd probably do something more profitable so space marines

A Horus Heresy TV show would be super cool tho

[rich vale]

If Cavill is an Ultramarine I will riot

[sick bronze]

what if he is Guilleman?

[rich vale]

Still riot

[sick bronze]

the bluest of blueberry boy scouts

[rich vale]

Ultramarines are too oversaturated

[sick bronze]

easy paint scheme tho

[rich vale]

I wanna see some attention to the less utilized big boys

[sick bronze]

yeah gimme a good Raven guard book

[robust adder]

as a psyker we should free our friends from mankind and stop powering up the emperors throne , our families are chained up in emperors throne room to power the pointless corpse
lets form a rebel party and slay humans

[sick bronze]

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-war-hammer-40k-gif-9829547

[vast frigate]

anyone got any extended info on the symbols in the game?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/561229852967960599/1053685075985842216/image.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786208719200583710/1053685654053191800/image.png

some of them are alchemical symbols ive been told

but otherwise im kinda stuck

[sick bronze]

might be some High Gothic stuff, idk

Admech symbols, perhaps

[nocturne crest]

What are the chances that this show from Amazon will be useful to tell the mainstream audience about each faction?

[signal bramble]

Probably not very.

[sick bronze]

it depends on what they want to tell

if its something like the Horus Heresy then itll mostly be humanity and Chaos with a sprinkle of eldar

It all depends on what story theyre telling, the pov, and what GW says

[nocturne crest]

See, I'm thinking along the lines of it being based on Rogue Trader or the inquisition to show off the various factions.

[sick bronze]

perhaps, perhaps. Pirate movie in space

[signal bramble]

Cavill would only want to play a character loyal to the imperium per his own words.

[sick bronze]

maybe they have something like Alien Isolation or Spacehulk: deathwing, where they have an abandoned ship full of Tyranids or chaos

[mystic geyser]

@vast frigate I think they are from the mechanicum transfer sheet, which is not actually the answer you want perhaps. Mostly look like slightly modified Greek letters /scientific symbols

[vast frigate]

Its gonna be 30k

so theres a big chance that amazon gets creative liberty

[sick bronze]

thatd be pretty sick

maybe Unification wars, Great crusade, and/or Horus Heresy

who could be Curze?

[vast frigate]

I highly doubt theres gonna be primarchs

[sick bronze]

Probably for the best ngl

[nocturne crest]

Just 30k or anywhere before it becomes 40k?

[simple sparrow]

Random question but why do a lot of Psykers wear implants and shit on their head that’s hooked up to a collar

[mystic geyser]

It's science.gif

Psychic hoods, a way of focusing powers

[sick bronze]

also coz it looks neat

[nocturne crest]

Is there any events that shouldn't be adapted for the amazon series, such as the months of shame?

[mystic geyser]

I doubt they'd go too dark.. or too cgi

But there's still huge scope...

[nocturne crest]

Inb4 it's based on Gorkamorka.

[vast frigate]

You probably wont see many space marines mainly because it would be clunky costume heavy or CGI heavy

and its gotta be within reason™️

so no slaanesh

[gusty sequoia]

did amazon buy warhammer 40k name or they just got its right from GW but did not owned it

[vast frigate]

They have rights from GW to make a show

[nocturne crest]

Cavil could be the warboss of the Diggas.

[fallen marsh]

30k would be bad pick for TV series. Budget would have to be absurd for amount of CGI and special effects. Some episodes from HH would make good movies for example Drop Pod Massacre but its not material for TV series. And to be honest. After first 10 or so books whole series went downhill really fast.

Eisenhorn Xenos is good pick. Enforcer series. Maybe something from Warhammer Crime. Something that won't need a lot of budget for special effects, with good story and is not bolter porn.

[vital kernel]

Yeah, Eisenhorn would probably be a good point to start.

[last lagoon]

Its most likely is Eisenhorn

Since its already being produced

[mystic geyser]

But that was a different company..

So might lock it out

[timid ferry]

Agreed. Eisenhorn would be best fit for a TV series. Heck, even a dark heresy episodic series would be better than HH. People want to see their favorite factions and HH precludes that for everyone save space marines and chaos

[fallen marsh]

I would love to see original story about acolytes of Inquisition or Arbites. But I somehow doubt it will happen.

[vital kernel]

How about a show on Solar Macharius

[fallen marsh]

While it would be cool as hell I don't think war drama is good pick for 1st TV series. It won't interest many people.

[mystic geyser]

I would watch the hell out of Sharpe in space.

Or band of brothers in space..

[lofty prawn]

anyone else notice the psyker peril lines are similar to the daemonhost whispers?

like the mentioning of buzzing and all that

[celest dome]

Isn't Saltzpyre VA in Sharpe ? Would be a beautiful cameo in that case

Heck, bring all of the U5 for cameo roles

[sweet saffron]

So, What's y'alls favorite 40k quote?

[crimson dragon]

Today I discovered this imperial regiment

Arkhan Confederates

Its literally the confederates from the ACW

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are kinda cringe

because again, confederates

[crimson dragon]

One of their general is named Ulysses E. Lee

Mechanized Infantry and Cavalry focus

[storm jungle]

god

I erased that from memory

[crimson dragon]

500 total regiments

Homeworld is called Providence

Theyre in the Ultima Segmentum

Their homeworld tech is apparently steampunk ish

[storm jungle]

They barely got any lore so yeah

[crimson dragon]

The planet was originally founded by the inhabitants of seven human colony ships. These would later expand outward, becoming the seven nations that encompass the majority of the planets' inhabitants. These nations held together by an association known as the Union of Seven Stars. This governance held strong, until the Union went too far in abusing it's power.

Lmao

They're also in a civil war with norlanders who accept psykers apparently

Idk

[spark relic]

"If we die unremembered, but with great deeds done, it will be enough. Time will remember us even if men do not speak our names." - Grimur of the Space Wolves

The Wolves have some really good ones imo but this one is probably my favourite

[crimson dragon]

Ngl i would be fine with living in Providence, apparently their world atleast is similar to modern day earth atleast it isnt as bad as hive cities or not too polluted

[storm jungle]

I'd rather not live with fascist rednecks

[crimson dragon]

I dont think theyre facist rednecks though. I mean the imperium as a whole is technically a facist feudal theocratic empire

So uhh

[rich vale]

Guys lets all move to Armaggedon, I hear its lovely this time of year

[storm jungle]

...That still makes them fascists tho

[storm jungle]

AGREED

I'll take choking on ash instead

[rich vale]

Just don't choke on the gore of dead orkz and daemons

[spark relic]

Daemon goo is great for your skin

[crimson dragon]

I mean the aesthetic is probably a mix of Union and Confederate probably

[spark relic]

Or so I've heard

[crimson dragon]

Thats it.

Similar to how Krieg took aesthetics from all nations in ww1

Or armageddon aesthetic from all nations in ww2

[spark relic]

Except the French lol

[crimson dragon]

Wdym

[spark relic]

The French looked like the Mordian Iron Guard

[crimson dragon]

Krieg has the same greatcoat french wore

[fallen marsh]

Imperium is neither fascist or theocratic. Being militaristic or having state religion doesn't make you either one.

[crimson dragon]

No mordians look more like prussian 1860

[spark relic]

Bright blue uniforms when everyone else had grey and brown

[crimson dragon]

Prussia 1860 wore light blue uniforms

[spark relic]

This

Not that similar to Mordians but not really Kriegers either

[crimson dragon]

Their coat is literally french

Ww1

[spark relic]

But it's not bright blue and painting them as a big target!!

That's my point!

The French were hyper visible while no one else was

[storm jungle]

Mordians are based on the USMC ceremonial outfit

[crimson dragon]

This is more mordian imo

German Confederacy

Since prussia was all about strict discipline

[spark relic]

Mordians are brighter though

But otherwise yeah

[crimson dragon]

Prussia was all about strict military discipline similar to Mordians

[storm jungle]

I mean

"strict military dicipline" isnt a country specific thing

[crimson dragon]

Prussia was well known for its discipline

In history

Which is why I feel like Mordians are based on them

[spark relic]

According to the Fandom wiki it's based off both Prussian and USMC uniforms

Though mainly the US one

[celest dome]

Only at the start of the war, later uniform were much darker

[spark relic]

Of course, because they learned from their mistakes but at first they were big targets

[crimson dragon]

French uniforms in ww1 got lighter blue colors

Then in the interwar period it switched to khaki brown i think

[signal bramble]

Krieg’s was meant to be an amalgamation of ww1 uniforms.

[crimson dragon]

This

[storm jungle]

Yeah people only think they are german because Krieg = German Word

[celest dome]

I always considered them to be Verdun, both French and German uniform, but some are saying it's incorporating elements from all the armies

[dusk patrol]

To be fair their names also tend to be in line with it too

It’s an amalgamation of WW1 though when it comes to their look

The German part is their sense of humor and fun

[night mountain]

Kriegsmen are personality and culturally German, but their uniform is supposed to be a mix of just WW1 in general

German helmets, French costs, British gas masks

[plush mason]

more a mix

the helmet is a mix of german and french and the gas mask is a mix of german and british

while the coat is pure french, the boots are pure british and the rucksack is pure german

so yeah literally just an amalgamation of the main forces of ww1

with like 8 or so distinct regiments with different color schemes

[plush mason]

the whole idea behind horizon grey was idiotic tho. "help the soldiers blend in with the sky"

[sweet saffron]

In real world applications yes it's dumb as hell, In the context with 40k in where there are probably planets with horizon grey as its main pigment, probably? Granted these are from the same people who things wearing brightly colored armor and charging across an open field with nothing but a melee weapon when everyone else has guns is a good idea

[plush mason]

ye

im siting in the morningstar rn with a bright yellow waist coat and a shiny metal plate right over my heart

most imperial forces wouldnt know proper camouflage if it bit them in ass

[sweet saffron]

Well if the Armageddon Steel Legion and the Imperial Fists find it a good idea...

[plush mason]

lol

[sweet saffron]

also rip Catican's and Raptors

[sweet saffron]

"Order. Unity. Obedience. We taught the galaxy these things long ago, and we will do so again." -Imotekh the Stormlord

Personally like it cause 1) I'm a huge Necron fan and 2) it just has such "Get the Fuck off My Lawn" energy

but also agree with yours

[spark relic]

Oh god I forgot about that one, I'm also a big Necrons fan

[sweet saffron]

Space wolves are also a favorite of mine

I mean if I had the money my second army would be Space Wolves

unfortunately they've been done dirty (Both Russ and his legion) during the HH series

hopefully they will have their time to shine during the scouring

[spark relic]

My biggest gripe about the Wolves during the Heresy was when Russ hesitated in killing Horus when he had the chance

Honestly kinda his fault Emps is dead ngl

But he kicked ass otherwise

And is probably the Primarch who got closest out of anyone to killing Horus

Cause Sanguinius just got his shit rocked and Emps isn't a Primarch

[sweet saffron]

I also like the fact that Russ was basically the final nail in the coffin that was Horus fall and subsequently his loss in the ability to be a good commander. In short I like to think that Horus would have done a lot more damage if it wasn't for the space wolves

but ngl, Russ did have the best character arc in the HH

of all the primarchs at least

[dull zephyr]

how do ogryns procreate?

asking for a friend

[arctic talon]

The same way as humans

[celest dome]

When mommy Ogryn and Daddy Ogryn loves each other very much...

[arctic talon]

[dull zephyr]

female ogryn when

[celest dome]

When GW has the balls to do it

[arctic talon]

They exist

That’s the lore

They also can rip someone in half

Just like a male ogryn

[last lagoon]

I find the wolves during the heresy almost comical

[celest dome]

Would be fun to see an Ogryness in the movie/series that Not Superman is gonna do

[last lagoon]

They are always on the cusp of being defeated and has someone save them

Cant forget Russ' master plan of disabling his ships fields and put it in the middle of a ship firefight against the AL in hopes of Alpharius going to fight him

[spark relic]

Oh yeah, like when the Raven Guard save them or when literal ex machina Belisarius Cawl save them or then they just beat up the World Eaters for no reasoon and have to retreat

[last lagoon]

Then chastizing Bjorn for going to save him

[spark relic]

Russ is a treasure

[last lagoon]

I wish we did get more Russ and Lion interactions

Lion and Khan is everything Russ pretends to be

[signal bramble]

The Ghazkull book has one.

And she’s a psyker.

[last lagoon]

Dumbass couldnt even sense a kommando in her room

Another ork W

[spark relic]

But the Kommandos are ultra stelfy ya know?!

No one can detect them

[rustic spruce]

ogryn psyker class when

[crimson dragon]

Lee man russ is a furry

Viking

Not something I would normally see combined

[crimson dragon]

Ogryn psykers probably instantly sent to emperor

[celest dome]

Nah, they are exceptionally rare

and are usually executed o the spot

At least natural Psyker

Other wise there are drugged Ogryn that become Psyker

Was even supposed to be a Slave Ogryn unit iirc

[arctic talon]

There is in necromunda

[celest dome]

But didn't make the cut or something

[arctic talon]

You give slave ogryn drugs

They become psykers

Now granted the drugs work on anyone

[celest dome]

Draugh or something

Just make normal human get panic attacks from the Warp visions

While Ogryn are more resilient to it

Still would have loved to have it for Slave Ogryn Gangs

Even as a Bounty Hunter or something

Tbh, I'm not sure I like the new update for Necromunda, I love the Ash Waste Nomads and all, but I somewhat dislike the vehicles and stuff

Though they admittedly (didn't know how to spell that)fit their gang very much

[vital kernel]

Sounds like Morrow is being hyped to be some quasi mythological figure to the Mourningstar Crew

[celest dome]

Well he is a decorated veteran, while we are the lowest of the low

So certainly he would be revered

[signal bramble]

The hell is "nobbling."

[uneven temple]

Do we want to know

[celest dome]

Singular of Nibbling

[spark relic]

A singular nobble

[rustic spruce]

I find it hilarious that settra from fantasy has an ever expanding list of titles

[spark relic]

He's a legend who earned every single one of them

https://youtu.be/q4SYtp7GM6E

[rustic spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqpFdR-qUqM

[celest dome]

Chad Grombrindal

[mystic geyser]

TIL Dan Abnett created the Guardians of the Galaxy

[dusk patrol]

One of two people yeah

[desert solstice]

technically the coat the steel legion outfit has, like it's in it's description is meant for a dusty desert area. Mat yellow/brown is fine for those areas.

Drab olive greens/browns for the guard are also somewhat effective

[plush mason]

solid colors are generally ineffective as camo

[devout oxide]

Thats the point its just scuttle butt. Hes apparently fought across the entire galaxy lmao

[desert solstice]

Mortis Operative black could be argued it's for for darker lit areas since the inquisition isn't really doing the astra miliariums job but could also have another purpose which is to intentionally silhouette yourself to draw fire away from unwanted targets or to intimidate.

[plush mason]

true

[devout oxide]

works perfectly for atoma imo, minus some mineral/chemical stuff im sure, because armageddon is super similiar. the moment youare topside is how a lot of armageddon is depicted

[plush mason]

the big thing is. its environmental gear so given what we are fighting it makes sense to wear it

[desert solstice]

kinda, but most of those solid colors will eventually have whatever's environment they're in on them. Nothing stays solid forever when it goes without a wash for weeks. It's ironically how some soldiers claim the UCP camo for the U.S was made usable instead of it being the awful gray blob it was, when it was stained w dirt and dust.

But nothing will beat a well made camo pattern for sure.

[devout oxide]

Dazzle camo skin when?

[desert solstice]

Now, the guard regiment w the like white ceremonial look. I dunno man...

i got no googleable explanation

[storm jungle]

You'll get misplaced Kasrkin camo and you'll like it

[desert solstice]

other than "yes."

[devout oxide]

Lots of them do the entire parade ready uniform thing, like the mordians. They didnt need camo for the shit that made em famaous

[devout oxide]

You will never catch me painting shard camo its awful

[plush mason]

shhh. dont think about it to much, just nod and go along

[arctic talon]

They don’t care about being spotted is the easy answer

[plush mason]

anyone that says the humans of 40k are sane is just plain stupid

[desert solstice]

they're just that "fabulous" i guess.

[arctic talon]

The Mordian Iron guard

Don’t care about taking casualties if it means maintaining proper formation

Humans in 40k are batshit insane

[devout oxide]

I mean if you are fighting daemons, its a morale boost. Same thing as knights banners etc. Its there for other troops more than the eneies

[arctic talon]

And all part of a death cult

Like

Are you expecting sensible tactics

[desert solstice]

i think they're "sane" just not by our standards

[plush mason]

Fabius Bile is unironically the only sane man in the galaxy lol

[devout oxide]

40k humans are what happens after 15k years ofgenerational trauma and hell being real lmao

[arctic talon]

Bile is sane

But also insane

The way he treats chaos is utterly insane but he makes pretty rational decisions

[desert solstice]

information, and to my understanding anykind of standardization is *almost nonexistant in this universe so some guardsman/Astartes chapters/regiments are just literally more competent and logical than others if i understand correctly.

[arctic talon]

yep

The 22nd scrotian ballfonddlers are gona be a worse regiment then say the 4th Mordian Armored regiment

They're just better armed, armored and trained

[desert solstice]

I'm just confused as to why the astra militarium doesn't have a semi standardized infantry at least since they love relying on attrition so much

[storm jungle]

It entirely depends on the regiment

they got a clear hierarchy

its just kinda

whats the word

"editable" i think

[arctic talon]

Way too many fucking regiments to have a proper standard

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

Because some feudal world whos only notable output is food has to provide soldiers

but so does a Industrial world that produces thousands of tanks

The Imperium is so huge a proper standard is impossible

[storm jungle]

also because lazy writing

[arctic talon]

The closest there standard applied is the "cadian" standard

which isn't even used by most worlds

[desert solstice]

you'd think it would be highly encouraged for efficiency sake

[arctic talon]

Yeah but the imperium isn't really efficent

The Cadian "standard" is the best we have

Cadian style training and weaponry

it ensures the regiment is at the very least presentable

and won't fold in a few seconds of battle

[plush mason]

efficiency is not a word the imperium understands

[desert solstice]

only apparently small parts of it do

[arctic talon]

Not even lol

individuals

sure

[plush mason]

their bureaucracy is a nightmare from hell and then some

[desert solstice]

which i suppose that's why they're usually notable units/individuals

[arctic talon]

orginizations as a whole absolutely not

like there's a civil war in a lot of places

over paper

because the scribes need to meet their deadlines

but there's other people who need paper to meet their deadlines

and there's not enough paper to go around

so guess what happens

[barren tapir]

To have a standard for regiments you should have a standard for worlds too, and we know that the imperium doesn't care about its worlds unless they can exploit it for something peculiar

[plush mason]

war of the quills or something like that right?

[arctic talon]

Yep

also there was a War over paint

due to a new STC for paint being found

and there was a new more efficent method

[desert solstice]

speaking of bureaucracy what're the logistics of the imperium? How is it so bad food is either bug juice or corpse starch?

[arctic talon]

except trillions of people would have lost their jobs so uh

guess what happened

[storm jungle]

Because its not run well

[arctic talon]

Food ranges from food as good as irl to literal alge

[storm jungle]

^

Corpse starch is also not a common food

best you get is like

tasteless sludge

[arctic talon]

yeah

[storm jungle]

or any cheap nutrient food

[arctic talon]

Slab is really common

[barren tapir]

Protein bars are also quite common

[arctic talon]

which is reprocessed grains, meat and fruit

into well

a slab

[barren tapir]

Cramped with nutrients, but lacking any flavour

[arctic talon]

its very well preserved

[desert solstice]

i see i see

[arctic talon]

and tastes terrible

[barren tapir]

And making a mess when you go to the bathroom

[arctic talon]

there's flavoring packets

which are considered a commodity

[plush mason]

why the fuck is the ogryn called that in darktide then?

[arctic talon]

Because the ogryn much like slab

is thick

hard to break

[storm jungle]

Slab of MEAT

[arctic talon]

and doesn't die lol

also that

there's a cadet comissar who uses slab

to make a fake bomb

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

because its got the same consistancy as plastic explosives

[spark relic]

Wasn't that is Gaunt's Ghosts?

[arctic talon]

yep

[desert solstice]

So here's my question. You have the dysfunctional empire of man trodding along, w the adeptus mechanicus aiding it. Why? Just cause they have no real alternative/choice?

[arctic talon]

well in the past they had a choice

they're just past that chance now

[spark relic]

Alright cause I knew I'd read that story before

[desert solstice]

or it's symbiotic

[arctic talon]

the Imperium will die eventually

[desert solstice]

both sides leech off eachother?

[arctic talon]

The adeptus mechanicus helps the Imperium

out of obligation due to a treaty

[barren tapir]

Theoretically speaking both sides help each other

[arctic talon]

and due to the fact that they both share similar goals

also technically they worship the same god

[spark relic]

And because the ruler of the Imperium is the God of the Mechanicus

Yeah

[arctic talon]

Politically speaking

The Emperor is The Omnissiah

[storm jungle]

^

[arctic talon]

but the Emperor is not the Machine God

[storm jungle]

hes more like an avatar to them

[plush mason]

not so long as the space marines remain the top selling models

[desert solstice]

tho technically wouldn't it just reform given it's size?

[arctic talon]

The Machine God, the Motive force and The omnissiah

[storm jungle]

Not reform

[arctic talon]

are the holy trinity

[storm jungle]

the Imperium's eventual fate is uh

[arctic talon]

yeah it'll shatter lol

[storm jungle]

more or so descending into the holy roman empire

literally warlord planets everywhere

[plush mason]

yup

[storm jungle]

no way to ever unite them more or less

[arctic talon]

The Omnissiah is what is worshipped the most

[barren tapir]

Can we get that already? I crave more diverse human factions

[arctic talon]

n o p e

[barren tapir]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/690515535598977074.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[storm jungle]

Not until 40k needs to get nuked and stops making money

[arctic talon]

ya got the Dworfs

who are

classified under xenos

[desert solstice]

that's my point eventually it reforms into whatever survives and the cycle either repeats or maybe it survives in a weakened but stable state?

[storm jungle]

Kind of

Humanity will basically be back into a feudal style

Space Marines, Governors, Guardsmen, Mechanicus will also get no contacts and turn into literal knights

patrolling whats left of humanity

or just making their own mini-empires

etc etc

Its a wide thing to discuss since humans are spread across the entire galaxy

[barren tapir]

Can i get an Adrantis Five 2.0?

[arctic talon]

doesn't it still exist

[desert solstice]

seems more likely comparable to the empire from like TES, where imperials either help preserve the decaying empire to attempt to rebuild the glory days or join up with another faction.

[arctic talon]

or is that a different hyper advanced human civlization

[arctic talon]

The Imperium is way more feudal

most branches want to kill each other

[storm jungle]

^