40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

And how it wasn’t a good idea

[worn pagoda]

The plan was always for his primarchs to fight and war and die. He just never thought they'd fall to the chaos.

[barren tapir]

Uhm... I kidna doubt it, but it is possible that he cannot stop adjusting depending with who he is talking with

[dusk patrol]

Like they’re tools yeah but everyone was a means to an end for him, including himself

[worn pagoda]

The point remains the Lion needs to wake up from his god damn nap and help Girlyman unfuck the Imperium.

[dusk patrol]

There’s not supposed to be a clear answer for it

He’s explicitly written very differently and unclear

All of the flashbacks in Master of Mankind for example might not even be true

Since we learn he’s showing that to Ra for a purpose

[worn pagoda]

Idk man. Your lore knowledge is kinda lacking.

[dusk patrol]

Not really

[worn pagoda]

"I don't think the Exorcists have Librarians"

[barren tapir]

Oh yes, cannot wait to see what he will do with the church once he wake up... Big G didn't liked it, but understood it had to play with it, the Lion might not be of the same advice though

[dusk patrol]

Omg you didn’t know some random fact about an irrelevant chapter which has like two characters across all books and novels?!

I’ll freely admit I don’t know about a lot of stuff

[worn pagoda]

I just wanna see him slap Girlyman for doing nothing about the brothers that are currently lost.

[barren tapir]

Away with you to the purgatomb!

[worn pagoda]

Into the warp to retrieve the few that can be retrieved.

[dusk patrol]

Also you didn’t know about the clone twin thing they do to hide the soul

[worn pagoda]

There's so much 40k lore all of it is obscure to someone.

[dusk patrol]

It’s almost like it’s a pretty obscure chapter

[barren tapir]

Well, first they should know where they are, and that is the problem, no one really know where they are

[dusk patrol]

With very little references

[worn pagoda]

I didn't know about it because that's one of the new books and a stupid idea.

Put your soul in the homunculi brother

Lest the daemons tickle your posterior

[dusk patrol]

That’s basically what it is tbh

I don’t love a lot of their new lore but it’s not the worst

[rustic spruce]

Time for dorn to arrive in the super phalanx

[dusk patrol]

I do love the idea of Crusader Dorn

Coming back more as a Black Templar than an Imperial Fist

Has some kickass augment arm

[rustic spruce]

The super pain glove

[barren tapir]

Ah, yes, the phalanx, the super space station that is towed around and that the technology needed to repair it was closed away in a dark cell under the imperial palace... Wait, wut? Tech that should have been extremely dangerous is being used to repair it? What could go wrong????

And if it isn't dangerous then WTF was it put in a dark cell????

So many questions, and so few answers

[dusk patrol]

It’s not all that kind of stuff to be fair, it’s just stuff the Emperor didn’t want everyone to have

There’s definitely extremely useful stuff in there which probably is “safe”

But isn’t something you’d want out in the open still

[arctic talon]

50 cents says there’s an AI down there

[barren tapir]

These cells are containing entities and artefacts of Old Night that could annihilate the Imperium if they were ever to break free. The newly emerged threats of the galaxy that must be imprisoned therein are also added to the Dark Cells.

They are exactly made to put in what is dangerous

Subject XI is among the thousands of dangerous beings, that are secured within the Imperium's cells beneath the Imperial Palace.

[dusk patrol]

You could definitely argue tech which can repair the phalanx like that is a huge risk if not used correctly

There’s a reason not every ship has this mysterious “fix it all” tech

And the Custodes ships have some absurd guns and weapons no one else even know what the hell they are and how they’re so powerful

[rustic spruce]

Even though it was engineered by them, how much did the space marine raid affect commorragh

[dusk patrol]

Very little

In terms of the status quo

But it did help Vect

I guess you could say it was a fairly large impact but in terms of the political side the status quo remained

The cabal it affected were super not jazzed about it by all accounts

[signal bramble]

Hell yeah, they rocking the Bucephalus once the flagship of big E himself.

I want it to appear.

[dusk patrol]

It’s the Imperator Somnium or whatever which shows up in Mortis right?

Yeah, I wonder if they’ll ever address the other one

I love the scene and Mortis but also it feels like such a fucking waste at the same time

[signal bramble]

Yeah his second flagship iirc.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a fun scene, but it did feel like it was almost meta with them trying to come up with the reason for why the emperors flag ship isn’t around anymore

But I can’t complain about them making an effort to tie up loose ends

[barren tapir]

It was a waste, it was just a way to say that it wan't present after the siege, a bad way to end a plotline that had to end before 40K, like with Sureka

[meager zinc]

the emperor still has a ship?

[storm jungle]

Imperator Somnium his flagship was destroyed during the Siege above terra's orbit

its all but junk now

[scenic sun]

So recently started a campaign with a party formed by a Junior comissar, a fanatical priest, a skitarii on a secret mission, a feudal worlder, an "exchange student/officer" that went to krieg, a poor piss hive worlder that can't read, and a bullgryn

How fucked are they?

[arctic talon]

Very

[barren tapir]

Much

[signal bramble]

The emperor’s old flagship the Bucephalus still exists iirc.

Imperator was destroyed though.

[barren tapir]

Bucephalus was just a gloriana class battleship iirc, so it wouldn't be too much strong so that it need to vanish somehow

[arctic talon]

^

[signal bramble]

I just like the name because Alexander the Great.

[mystic geyser]

which may have been the Emperor.

[dusk patrol]

Tbh Bucephalus might very well not exist in lore or be acknowledged ever again

There’s a ton of Glorianas for various groups outside the legions which have never been acknowledged really

Hell there’s legion Glorianas which are barely mentioned or still very unknown of their fates

[brittle slate]

I’ll be honest, this take is as memeable as “orks think=works”

If the emperor is effectively everybody of note in human history it’s gotta be the worst decision since perpetuals

[dusk patrol]

It wouldn’t even be the top ten dumbest early history canon things that have happened in 40k

It’s all dumb and I kinda just ignore as much as can be since it never really matters

[brittle slate]

That’s fair.

[stuck kindle]

I am really loving the lore tidbits on the cosmetics.

[brittle slate]

But then I want a little less obstinance on the whole Kelly thing.

[dusk patrol]

I mean like I said, there’s plenty of dumb lore for factions I just sorta ignore, but it’s still canon. Can’t really claim it’s a separate deal when it’s big lore for a faction.

Exorcists are a good example of this with recent additions, Iron Hands also get a lot of dumb lore tidbits

It’s just how it do be, I just try to focus on the stuff I like more

[storm jungle]

Thats thankfully never really looked into

probably because the writers knew it would be cringe

"What if the Emperor was Lenin."

"No, stop-"

"WHAT IF he was Caesar?"

"GET OUT PLEASE-"

[plush mason]

what if he was Genghis Khan?

[storm jungle]

AAAA

tho he probably just saw Genghis and was like

"Damn need some of that gene-sperm in one of the sons I'm gonna make."

[plush mason]

lmao

it couldnt have been hard to get

[storm jungle]

god the Khan being so racially specific is

[balmy solstice]

People often seem to forget that WH40k is a deeply deeply silly setting. It's literally designed to clown on all other sci-fi settings

[plush mason]

and on the real world

[brittle slate]

It would literally have to though.

“We have FTL”

“We don’t have FTL”

Is a hard border.

[dusk patrol]

I prefer the idea that the primarchs just kinda imprinted on their worlds when they landed

[brittle slate]

Except then they took it seriously

[dusk patrol]

We see a theoretical Russ who never left Terra and he’s nothing like Russ

[balmy solstice]

Exactly

[dusk patrol]

I mean it’s silly but it’s kinda a lame excuse

It’s mostly just dogshit writing which becomes an issue

There’s plenty of great books using the pretty silly setting

And like

Lord of the Rings is silly, Star Wars is silly, tons of fiction is silly if you break it down

40k mostly just has an exaggerated aesthetic

Which if you kinda just look past that it’s not really that out there compared to a lot of similar settings

[balmy solstice]

I'm not denying that. But there's a difference from "created to be comically dark and over the top to clown on the others" to "weird sci-fi stuff that's hand wavey"

[dusk patrol]

Ok but like

[balmy solstice]

And it just feels like WH lost that ironic level a while back and takes itself to seriously at times

[dusk patrol]

Plenty of series take it completely serious

It hasn’t been satire for decades

Not really

Like it has elements but it stopped being that when it really established itself

It’s not that at it’s core

Like Gaunt’s Ghosts and Eisenhorn are coming up on 25 years old here

Almost nothing about those books is Satie

There’s still some books which lean into it but the setting still plays itself straight mostly

I fully get people wanting more of that or preferring that, but I don't really get the idea that it somehow lost that element recently, its been this way for a long time, longer than I would bet most of the fanbase has been alive.

[brittle slate]

Because they’re distinct enough to do their own thing

[dusk patrol]

Partially that, its also do to a lack of update in awhile.

They haven't done a proper standalone codex I don't think in awhile for factions like they did in the past.

They're kinda moved towards more supplementary things

I think technically too the chapter codex's were basically always supplements

[storm jungle]

Yeah its entirely due to tabletop reasons

they sell a lot so get their own Special Book

[dusk patrol]

Its also they sell a lot, so they get a lot of special models, so those special models need special rules, and so on

Space Wolves are a similar case

[storm jungle]

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

Historically Blood angels, dark angels and space wolves were all listed as non codex compliant chapters

So they’d get their own special books every edition

While all the other marine chapters shared the same book

Now every chapter gets a supliment it would seem

which is honestly sort of unnecessary because it makes people want every single sub faction to be viable

When GW has literally never managed to do that

[brittle slate]

Well…

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/tv/tv-news/henry-cavill-warhammer-40000-amazon-1235283251/

[plush mason]

hm

[brittle slate]

Eh…

Maybe it’s because I’ve never been on the Hc train

[arctic talon]

Eh

Not sure

Not suprised lol

[brittle slate]

I’m not there now, but I heard a lot of this and… the spotlight is going to be harsh.

[plush mason]

what will this show even be about?

[brittle slate]

How often HC can smolder?

https://tenor.com/view/smolder-tangled-disney-rapunzel-flynn-rider-gif-3557364

[arctic talon]

Prolly Eisenhorn

Eisenhorn show has been in development for ages

At GW

[plush mason]

i see

[brittle slate]

I honestly thought there would be more positivity posting that. Maybe I’ll wait. But looking at all the other 40k discord and everyone is pretty lackluster.

[simple sparrow]

I was just reading about him lol

[arctic talon]

Eh, it’s a tabloid website

[plush mason]

not much info on it

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

I want more info

[timid ferry]

This is either going to be amazing or complete trash. I give it 40-60 odds

The Ultramarine movie was just atrocious. I could not tell who the individual characters were in the bigger fights

[proud mango]

there was an ultramarine movie?

[timid ferry]

Yeah, and it made the early 2000’s bionicle movies look like they had decent animation

[proud mango]

oh god

[timid ferry]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultramarines:_A_Warhammer_40,000_Movie

[proud mango]

has some big name actors in it too

[rose thorn]

HEY DO OBYRON AND ZAHDREKH HAVE A BOOK?!

i love the gay robots

[final solar]

Rumormill says it’s the long-discussed Eisenhorn adaption

[timid ferry]

Oh thank heavens

Please be so. I can’t stomach more spacemarines

[final solar]

Which reminds me, i need to read the Eisenhorn series. I guess i’ll do that after finishing the Night Lords trilogy

[hot peak]

I have a...weird 40k lore question that probably doesn't have an answer, and I'm concerned it may be touching into topics that get too close to something against ToS, as it is related to usage of performance (not THAT kind of performance) enhancing substances.

[storm jungle]

Is this a viagra question

[hot peak]

No.

[rose thorn]

[hot peak]

Basically, do guardsmen use steroids?

[storm jungle]

Some do?

[rose thorn]

Oh

[storm jungle]

Basically a case of "Can you get your hands on it or not"

most wont

Because its akin to today's soldiers seeing a squadmate or two use them and go "What the fuck are you doing"

[timid ferry]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Savlar_Chem-Dogs

Not exactly steroids, but eh

[storm jungle]

Also narcotics related questions arent against the TOS

like

a 40k book has a young girl being led down a shady neighbourhood by a sex-worker and then its too late for her to realise anything as they tie her to a chair and drain her of all her genes/blood so that they can supply the nobles with rejuvenation drugs to keep them young

Its uncomfortably close to some IRL stuff but it still happens even in 40k

[hot peak]

Got it

[rustic spruce]

if you can talk about Daemonculaba you can talk about almost anything

[storm jungle]

No you cant lol

[hot peak]

Also I like these guys!

[storm jungle]

Daemonculaba is just torture-porn

[timid ferry]

Daemonculaba is Japan off it’s meds again.

[hot peak]

My original line of thought was "They're probably gonna get killed eventually, have 'stims' standard issue and get more physical performance out of them while you can."

[storm jungle]

Yeah it entirely depends on the regiment

if it was something like Cadians you'd get shot or just get THE biggest reprimand/flogging

with Savlar above they're basically street-criminals turned soldiers

they will just see it as a normal thing they do since they loot any battlefield they fight in

[hot peak]

"Free drugs, woo!"

[storm jungle]

Literally that

[hot peak]

"Oh it's only for xenos...let's sell it to the locals."

Sorry, done.

[storm jungle]

All good

also again they'd totally do that

so they might be the guys you wanna look into

[final solar]

Also Recaf

[dusk patrol]

There's a line in Helsreach where an Astartes commander can tell that one of the Guard commanders reporting to him is showing signs of overuse of stims to keep going but he doesn't address it or reprimand him because its such a desperate situation and they don't really have much of a choice.

Some regiments it definitely happens more than others but its also just kinda a case by case thing.

But typically a regiment like say, the Mordian Iron Guard isn't gonna allow that at all unless its completely sanctioned, no matter what the stakes.

[meager zinc]

How accurate is this?
https://youtube.com/watch?v=Nc2ElHVBqCo&feature=shares

[signal bramble]

4 Ogryn party.

I dreamed of this.

[rose thorn]

What if they just fucking drop a lore bomb shell in liked a warhammer adventures book or some shit

Like ‘yeah the next primarch is actually leman Russ’

[tired mesa]

hi does anyone know what these things are called?

[last lagoon]

Probably just a cultist shrine

[tired mesa]

or possibly idol or totem?

[signal bramble]

It’s a totem/idol devoted to chaos. Nothing special.

Specifically to nurgle.

It’s a combination of his symbol and the 8 point star of chaos.

[tired mesa]

you've enlightened me, ty 🙂

[dusk patrol]

^

[brittle slate]

Made it to 30. I… really hope the story picks up the pace in the future

[bronze trellis]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eHUub3IBOkY

[tidal dome]

Okay, something I didn't take in initially.

Cawl has pulled out of his reinforced thrice-blessed butthole the tech lost for 10k years - accelerator autocannons

Which means, if he has another stroke (Of good idea, or just a regular one), he might also try and bring back the volkite guns

Which means, Allfather Permissing, we could have Guard and SM volkite guns, just like in the good old 30s

[storm jungle]

He already brought back volkites

Primaris use them, because of course

Other factions could easily too but tabletop reasons

[rough condor]

They are neo-volkite, which I don’t know if that means relic or new made

[tidal dome]

Alright, so this means those entered a some degree of mass-manufacture, and someone with money and connections, like inquisitor of sort, could potentially get their grabby hands on some of that

[storm jungle]

Neo = New

very original I know

[storm jungle]

Basically its mostly because plot

but yeah thats true i suppose

[earnest snow]

At this point in 40k, Cawl could be considered a pioneer. A genius. An admech without peer. The one with the best mechadendrites.

And all he did was have a good idea with some freedom given to his omnissiah-blessed robo hands.

It's needed, although the bar really has been lowered since ten thousand years ago

[balmy solstice]

Also the one with the most heretekal AI clone

[barren tapir]

Accelerator autocannon are lost tech?

[earnest snow]

Man just needs a fren AI

[prime tapir]

I just had a showerthought.

From the perspective of command there’s a strong incentive to keep morale high by importing what is essentially cosplay clothes.

Like now you have Cadians cosplaying steel legion guardsmen for some god forsaken reason. And zealots spend their entire pay check on a dingy cage they can fuse onto their skull.

Command must think their operatives are 100% certified weirdos

[balmy solstice]

They're are crack-ass inmates more or less force recruited by the inquisition. Of course they are weirdos

[earnest snow]

Pretty brilliant ngl. From the days of the cave man to 40k. Mankind has always wanted to look badass in the eyes of others. Even if...the cavemen just had a loin cloth except it's made of giant lizard

[prime tapir]

I bet chaos has the really cool cosmetics

[balmy solstice]

Cue "You got a friend in me" music video of Belisarius and Cawl Inferior

[earnest snow]

I love that lmao

[balmy solstice]

That's awfully bold for someone in flamer distance

[barren tapir]

Must say that the version of steel legion uniform we got is quite stylish

At least, the jacket is stylish

[prime tapir]

FIRE DEATH REBIRTH

[prime tapir]

Yeah, jacket is cool

Not a fan of the gas mask though, but each to their own

[rose gyro]

I thought it would be Lion

[rose gyro]

dressing like Abaddon on the battlefield would cause unnecessary friendly-fire incidents

[prime tapir]

Ultramarine onesies

When

[tiny root]

How is Necromunda still such a shithole given it's proximity to holy Terra? It's in the Segmentum Solar?

you'd think those worlds would have more of a leg up in terms of resources allocated

[rose gyro]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/galaxy-shadowbox.jpg

it's a Hive World

manpower is their greatest resource

besides, it is one of the largest producers of munitions and weapons for Imperial Guard

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s not that bad tbh

The lower sections suck a lot but the mid level and above are described as pretty nice in the novels

We just always focus on the gang wars below

Also Terra is genuinely one of the worst places in the Imperium to live for a lot of the populace and it’s you know

Terra

Segmentum Solar is a big fucking place

[rose gyro]

most battles in Horus Heresy was fought within Segmentum Solar

it was even not that far away from the Eye of Terror

[timid ferry]

The imperium doesn’t have the wherewithal to rebuild. The techniques to do so have either been lost, require too many resources for its current logistical infrastructure, or are just flat up mismanaged/stolen/tied up in red tape.

[signal bramble]

Because it’s a hive world.

Most hive worlds tend to be pretty shitty unless you live in the top half and the majority are in the underhive.

[storm jungle]

just like real life

[tulip sand]

I just learned theres a gargant called gorkzilla

Amazing

[barren tapir]

IIRC there are chaos fortress worlds in segmentum solar too... Remember, the imperium might like to claim all the galaxy, but in reality it just has pocket of space around the galaxy

[timid ferry]

r/aboringdystopia

[storm jungle]

woooo

[crisp heath]

https://youtu.be/BYvtfxJwHa4 when chaos gods rolled 1 at corruptions at certain point of corrupting space marine

[mint talon]

does any of you have some info about the 2th and 11th legion?

[ripe ravine]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Lost_Primarchs

the 2nd and 11th legions were struck from Imperial records sometime after the Rangdan Xenocides and even the primarchs were forbidden to speak of them

[mint talon]

that I know, but do we have like actual knowledge of what they used to be

[ripe ravine]

Rick Priestley added these missing legions to give the setting some unknowable mystery, although many fans believe its so players can homebrew in their own custom legions

by design no and we most likely never will

[mint talon]

sadge

[ripe ravine]

sorry that's a disappointing answer but their function in the setting is to have no lore

they are mentioned a few times throughout the Horus Heresy, but the conversation is either shut down or its a primarch worrying their legion will get erased just like the 2nd and 11th

[signal bramble]

The information is always kept exceptionally vague.

There are occasional minor clues to what happened.

[mystic geyser]

@mint talon 2nd was "quiet"

[signal bramble]

But it’s never anything concrete.

[mint talon]

guess we will have to wait

[mystic geyser]

They'll never reveal it in full.

[signal bramble]

They keep it vague on purpose to maintain the mystery.

Also so uncreative home brews can claim their geneseed for their space marine chapter came from the 2nd and 11th primarchs.

[mint talon]

okay I see

[dusk patrol]

And it’s always cringe and annoying

Heres my homebrew primarch, he’s a primarch blank, I’m very original.

he also has really cool Xenos and DAoT tech and likes everyone and is based

[storm jungle]

You forgot [insert racially specific character trope here}

[signal bramble]

Also a perpetual and he’s secretly a psyker stronger than Magnus, advised Guilliman on what to put in the codex Astartes, and beat Vulkan at arm wrestling.

[dusk patrol]

And he outstealthed Corax

He was the Emperors favorite, so he got sent on a secret mission, and the Emperor told everyone he disappeared

[desert solstice]

in terms of like power level what is a "Auric Class Operator" compared to us?

[dusk patrol]

Also all his sons are Psyker blanks who all wear terminator armor but are really sneaky

[dusk patrol]

Unclear

Probably just a step above

Special forces

[woven sandal]

Higher

[dusk patrol]

Scions and stuff

[signal bramble]

It’s not just skill, it’s also a matter of how much they’re trusted and how well they’ve performed previously.

[dusk patrol]

With wannabe interrogators

[desert solstice]

we see it mentioned a ton, even the barber says only Auric's get cybernetics and to not ask him about it. Makes me wonder if we'll be Auric class at one point

[signal bramble]

We’re in the inquisitor’s retinue.

That’s about as high an honor as we can get.

[desert solstice]

we're acolytes, it does sort of imply we'll get some better title

[dusk patrol]

Don’t get ahead of yourself

[desert solstice]

later*

[dusk patrol]

But maybe

[signal bramble]

Acolytes is a general title not so much a rank.

[dusk patrol]

The new classes might be their way of advancing the story in that area

[desert solstice]

perhaps

[signal bramble]

Acolyte is a general term for members of an inquisitor’s retinue.

[desert solstice]

doesnt some dialogue already change depending on your trust level?

[signal bramble]

It does.

[desert solstice]

perhaps each season the trust level cap goes higher

w the new content*

[dusk patrol]

I wouldnt expect it

But maybe

[signal bramble]

I don’t expect much as far as story but the game isn’t quite finished yet so who knows, maybe they got a bunch of stuff planned.

[desert solstice]

it doesn't seem too different than VT2 aside from the missions not having a linear narrative. Which i personally like. Makes it more replayable for a longer duration than it being memorable for 10 replays and overstaying it's welcome.

But that's just me.

A lot of the story is mainly from character interactions and comms.

Does suck we dont have actual acknowledgeable names tho.

[still mesa]

Actually, scratch that, I've got what I linked just before in better quality somewhere

[terse talon]

correct me if im wrong here guys but in tabletop the space marines both chaos and normal have less stats than the beast of nurgle and plague ogryns right?

[signal bramble]

Plague Ogryn aren’t really a thing on the tabletop. There is a traitor one in the new killteam. Beasts of Nurgle are there though yes.

[terse talon]

ahh ok. was just thinking since lore takes a backseat to gameplay hopefully we can fight a chaos space marine boss or something haha

[signal bramble]

Your average Chaos marine is toughness 4 and strength 4. Plague marines are strength 4 toughness 5 with -1 damage. Both have two wounds.

A beast of nurgle has strength 6, toughness 6, 7 wounds and regenerates to full if you don’t kill it.

An Ogryn is strength 5, toughness 5, and 3 wounds.

[terse talon]

is that like normal ogryn since the plague one isnt a thing in table top?

[signal bramble]

Correct.

In the lore, a normal Ogryn is technically physically stronger than your average space marine. They can even lift one and throw them with ease. But just being physically stronger doesn’t mean they’re guaranteed to win since a space marine is smarter.

[dusk patrol]

They’re smart faster and much more skilled

Plus have better gear

But generally if they’re cornered, blindsided or ganged up on by Ogryns they can easily lose if they don’t manage to break out of their grip

[spark relic]

Don't get your hopes up, they've said Marines will never be featured in the game in any capacity

[terse talon]

yeh even if its not a marine it would be nice to encounter some extra nasty chaos servants cuz we've already been killing stuff lore wise we shouldnt be able to so lol

[barren tapir]

Yesn't

Guards dealing with demons is not against lore

Ask the cadians...

Well, before the thing that happened to Cadia

[rose thorn]

and the salvador chemdogs who basically only fight demons now due to drugs

[signal bramble]

Unrelated but yesterday while leveling my Ogryn I one shot a charging mutant by throwing the metal brick at him. I had to stop playing for a bit because I was laughing too hard.

[dusk patrol]

This kills the mutie

[signal bramble]

It turns out a variety of enemies are very vulnerable to blunt force trauma applied directly to the face.

Big brain tactics.

[terse talon]

the best father ever😂

[signal bramble]

Then again from a lore perspective, an Ogryn throwing a heavy object directly at someone’s face would probably hurt a lot.

[spark relic]

No brain tactics, the box removes them

[signal bramble]

There really should have been a penance for braining something with the brick besides the daemon thing.

[rustic spruce]

i wonder if we'll get a cosmetic based on the space french

[signal bramble]

I like the ventrillian nobles. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/b7/VentrillianNobles.png/revision/latest?cb=20171019040608

And the indigan praefects. https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/a/ab/IndiganPraefectsGuardsman.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20171019041346

[rustic spruce]

get us some of that ice warriors drip

[rose thorn]

<3 indigan praefects is my fav

[signal bramble]

Ciaphas Cain the hero of the imperium. Just as important, next to him is Jurgen. The most reliable of bros.

Jurgen is awesome.

[spark relic]

There's a guard regiment who's troops wear silver masks and armour but I cannot find any art of them

[rose thorn]

just got the thunderstrike short story audiobook

short stories*

its long and cheap

[spark relic]

Here they are

[rose thorn]

OH I LOVE THOSE GUYS TOO, they are the only non chaos/gsc religious faction i actually like

[signal bramble]

The Macabian Janissaries

[spark relic]

Maccabian Janissaries

Yeah exactly

[signal bramble]

I used to like the Catachans until the Catachan devil novel ruined them.

[rose thorn]

isnt catachan devil just a clone of the predator book?

[signal bramble]

It isn’t. No.

It’s about Catachans vs Orks with some random guardsmen that isn’t Catachan thrown in with them and it goes exactly how you would expect with him.

What ruins the novel is what happens near the end during a big battle which is so goddamn stupid I could never take them seriously again.

[spark relic]

tell us but put the spoiler censor over the message

[signal bramble]

I don’t need to. It’s not a big plot spoiler. Believe it or not I can sum up what happens with a gif.

https://tenor.com/view/naruto-seishun-kyousoukyoku-naruto-run-run-neji-gif-22614495

Yes actually. That is what the catachans do.

[spark relic]

As a combat tactic...?

Or as a retreat

[signal bramble]

The author very vividly describes them Naruto running as their method of charging the enemy.

[spark relic]

G O D what was the author drinking?

[signal bramble]

They Naruto run in a Flying V formation like ducks to charge the Orks they’re fighting.

That’s apparently a standard wedge formation for closing in on the enemy for them.

[spark relic]

The only time I've heard of a V formation for charging an enemy was when Space Wolf cavalry did it

[signal bramble]

Like I said, after that I could never take them seriously again because it’s so stupid.

[spark relic]

Why the hell would guard infantry do something like that

I didn't take them seriously in the first place and now I don't know what to think

[signal bramble]

The catachans and their Colonel were actually pretty cool in the book up until that point. After that I could never look at them the same again, once they start Naruto running they gave up any and all dignity and gravitas.

[frail isle]

This might be a silly question but, what guardsman regiment is this for if any?

[storm jungle]

Its nothing lore specific

just "cool decal the devs added because it looks neat"

[frail isle]

Cool its what I was expecting after finding nothing from a quick search but I just wanted to be sure TY

[storm jungle]

Yeee no worries

[plush mason]

ok so the new ogryn cosmetic bundle just confirmed that the orks are one of the foes in the fringe war

so there are orks in the moebian system

[vital kernel]

At least directly under Administratum jurisdiction.
The Forge Worlds have a way of doing whatever they want.

[vital kernel]

Looks like some sort of Inquisitorial Unit.

[vital kernel]

Necromunda is far from being a shithole.
It's one of the wealthiest worlds in the Imperium.
Hive Worlds just have a way of having their ugly underbellies, and Necromunda has a particularily large one. The wealth of Necromunda is actually a driving factor in why it has so much criminality, because most of the large Gangs have humongous sources of revenue from industry etc. Why doesn't Imperial Authority crack down on the Gangs of Necromunda? Because despite everything they are not a threat to the Status Quo, they don't really hinder the Tithe and they don't actually cause a lot of security trouble for the World itself. They are essentially a free Auxilliary PDF if anything ever did attack Necromunda and their warring does produce capable recruits for the Guard.

^An Escher recruit of the Imperial Guard

[dusk patrol]

I’d Esc her

[plush mason]

you sure you could?

[tiny root]

yes

[arctic talon]

Also unironically necromunda is valuable

Because they produce a lot of stuff

And soldiers

[plush mason]

isnt it still an imperial fist recruiting spot as well?

[tiny root]

yes

[vital kernel]

An Imperial Hive has basically two purposes: Produce Industrial Output and produce excess population. Both of those are exported off world in the form of weapons, goods, recruits and colonists.
Worlds like Necromunda are the reason why the Imperium can continue to colonize hundreds of worlds regularily despite being pressed on all sides, because Hiveworlds produce millions of surplus manpower every year.

[tiny root]

is forced relocation a thing? whenever I read about colonization it's either happy colonists or an ancient world reclaimed by diplomats. do hive cities get farmed out and sprinkled in less populated worlds

[arctic talon]

Yes forced relocation is a thing

It happens a lot

Lol

[vital kernel]

Yes, it is a part of the Tithe. Planets have to pay a Tithe in manpower and material. Often people are just getting herded by enforcers to be pressganged into the guard or to the beautiful new border colony.

[plush mason]

in a lot of instances it may not even be forced lol. i imagine a lot of people would love to leave a darwnistic hellhole like necromunda

[arctic talon]

If you can think of something terrible irl

Odds are the imperium does it

All the time

[plush mason]

yeah thats literally the only point of the imperium

[vital kernel]

Yes, you can be certain that millions of people would kill for the chance to leave Necromunda. Especially since Imperial Propaganda presents them with the prospect of utopian Agri worlds. I think the Eisenhorn Novels mention movies and audio productions about those paradise planets.

[plush mason]

lol

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[vital kernel]

also some video production called "Let us procreate to further the Emperors vision of our glorious Imperium" which is basically the 40k version of porn or something

[signal bramble]

In the bloodlines novel, a lot of the civilians are told if they sign up for the guard they’ll get to travel the universe, easily smite the enemies of the emperor, and even get vacation days.

[arctic talon]

Comedy

[signal bramble]

“My desire to procreate with you is exceeded only by my devotion to Him.”

[vital kernel]

yes that was it lol

[arctic talon]

Aparantly it’s popular on Krieg

Not even a joke

[signal bramble]

Not quite. The novel also depicts krieg as a paradise world.

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[signal bramble]

It takes place on krieg. Not popular on the actual krieg

[vital kernel]

Do Kriegers even do the deed? physically I mean. AFAIK their women are harvested after puberty

[arctic talon]

Sometimes

People on Krieg still have actual like

[signal bramble]

If the krieg novel is to be believed then for the most part no. Most of them ||are clones of Colonel jurten.||

[arctic talon]

Children

[signal bramble]

Presumably ||the clones would eventually out produce the natural born.||

[arctic talon]

The worst twist ever tbh

Completely ruins the DKOK

It sort of misses the entire point

[signal bramble]

Definitely. Not all are volunteers, some get conscripted or take part in a lottery.

[vital kernel]

I wish we had more insights on how the Admech actually functions beyond the Techpriests and Magos. If they have a form of Tech Dynasties, if Magos have some sort of families they clone in tubes or something.

[arctic talon]

Generally speaking it’s a meritocracy

[signal bramble]

The normal soldier I mentioned in the Catachan Devil novel is part of a regiment that was recruited by lottery. Him and a bunch of others were selected at random to be conscripted and thrown at a bunch of Orks.

[arctic talon]

Genetics don’t mean shit

[signal bramble]

The priests of mars series shows that some do.

[arctic talon]

If you can’t back it up

[signal bramble]

There’s a tech priest with a daughter.

[arctic talon]

Your name is worthless until you’ve proven yourself

Also plenty of backstabbing

But that’s standard in the imperium

[signal bramble]

Meanwhile on mars they’ve given up natural reproduction entirely and everyone is a clone or grown from a vat.

[arctic talon]

There’s some natural reproduction

On mars

The menials aren’t that cybernetic

[signal bramble]

Not according to the great work. All the tech priests have given up natural reproduction.

[arctic talon]

Menials aren’t tech priests

I’m talking about all the slaves

[signal bramble]

We are talking about tech priests and the Admech.

[arctic talon]

You said on Mars

[tiny root]

are Salamnder families adopted? or did they have a fam before gene therapy?

[arctic talon]

Same family clan

[vital kernel]

Yeah, I know it's more of a theocratic institutions similar to the catholic church that basically reproduces nonsexually, rather intellectually through apprenticeship and patronship.

[signal bramble]

referring to the tech priests was implied.

[dusk token]

Tbh you did say there was no natural reproduction on mars which menials do.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[signal bramble]

In day of ascension you learn the fabricator general on that forge world was elected by some sort of weird democratic system.

[arctic talon]

I wonder where Hadrons Omnissiah axe is

Lol

[tiny root]

it is feasible for Astartes to have families right? They aren't all iniated when they were kids. Though indoctrination probably makes you forget little Timmy and Lisa waiting back home

[signal bramble]

Presumably she doesn’t carry it around when she’s not expecting combat.

[arctic talon]

Only time we’ve heard of marines having children in the past is with space wolves

Due to the fact they have them initiated older

[vital kernel]

I think it's not that clear cut. The Admech is absolutely massive, and we know the Titan Legions still have a form of hereditary succession. Even if the Admech Priests of Mars have given up on natural reproduction, there are hundreds of Forge Worlds, each one of them having their own quirks.

[arctic talon]

Most marine chapters initiate children

Yes that means marines can be as young as 16 potentially

[signal bramble]

There is a chapter that kidnaps women specifically to breed with their marines. Let me see if I can find the name.

[arctic talon]

It’s a raven guard successor

Iirc

They do the same with men as well

[tiny root]

Fists recruit from Necromunda and NL recruit criminals. I'd imagine those people are adults

[vital kernel]

For example, Arkhan talks about having kids in the latest Siege of Terra novel. To which the Skitarii argues he's quite old for natural reproduction.

[arctic talon]

Nope

Still children

Child criminals are very common

[tiny root]

damn

[arctic talon]

Children are easier to work with

[tiny root]

imagine stealing candy from the corner shop and being scooped up by the NLs

[vital kernel]

IF recruit from many worlds in the Segmentum Solar, even Terra

[arctic talon]

The implementation process works better

[signal bramble]

The Death Spectres.

The Death Spectres have an unsettling way of recruiting new aspirants into their Chapter. By the orders of the Megir, the Death Spectres seek out suitable human-settled colonies far from the heart of the Imperium where they collect the best genetic specimens of women they can find.

The women are taken to a suitable breeding world established near the Death Spectres' homeworld of Occludus. There, the women are expected to bear future generations who might prove capable of joining the ranks of the Death Spectres as neophytes.

[woven sandal]

Honestly, it's logical.

[arctic talon]

Least sociopathic space marine chapter

Unironically that title prolly goes to the ultramarines

But that’s because their recruitment process is relatively sane

Because they test for genetic comparability first

[woven sandal]

Okay, I don't see anything about them actually bearing the Marines children there.

[signal bramble]

The theory is that they likely breed with the aspirants who are compatible and deemed worthy.

Since actual space marines are conditioned to not have those urges.

[arctic talon]

Yeah marines don’t really have like a sex drive

[timid ferry]

Families yes, but they live apart from the relatives and quite often outlive them. For example, Cato Sicarus was born to a ducal household of Talassar. The bloodline he is part of still exists iirc.

[tiny root]

thats what i thought

UM are all nobles

expected to carry the line

[arctic talon]

UM are anyone who is genetically compatible

And makes it through the trials

[dusk patrol]

I think uh Ventris had a great uncle who was an UM

[arctic talon]

Nobels really like offering their children up tho

[dusk patrol]

They train them too

[arctic talon]

Because it’s an honor

[signal bramble]

In priests of mars the tech priest had a daughter but she reveals that children like her have been surgically altered to not have those desires. So presumably they may have a method of combining genetic material.

[dusk patrol]

It’s a massive badge of significance for a house

Calgar was a stand in for the real Calgar

Who died

[signal bramble]

In kingmaker, the children produced by the knight house are done by artificially wombs taking genetic material from the mother and father to prevent the child from favoring one or the other.

[arctic talon]

Just extract eggs and sperm from them until they get rid of those parts

[signal bramble]

There’s also brain surgery implied if those more primitive urges are cut out.

[dusk patrol]

Ah yes the uh

[signal bramble]

That also has other implications on how tech priests deal with mental health issues.

“I’m feeling depressed.”

“Really? Well let’s just cut that part of the brain out and you’ll be good as new.”

[dusk patrol]

Sperm extractor

[arctic talon]

I feel like they’d just use a needle lol

[dusk patrol]

That’s my name for your mum

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

Better get digging then

[dusk patrol]

I can’t find a dig emote

You’ll just have to imagine the fireworks dig emote

[arctic talon]

[crisp heath]

https://tenor.com/view/fail-baby-funny-fail-gif-15597542

[vital kernel]

So we basically know Jeanrustlers are coming. What are your thoughts on them?

would be hilarious if one of their "monstrosities" was literally just a truck

[stuck kindle]

Who said they are coming?

[vital kernel]

Several things point towards it. Not least the current Scab and Dreg roster having a sizeable overlap with the GS roster.

[celest dome]

1st of, no we don't know
2nd, they aren't the most likely choices
3rd, this is lore chat, not #theorycrafting, so I would invite you to go there

[dusk patrol]

I’d say their likely but I don’t think it’s confirmed at all

I think FS has mentioned reluctance to do them since they’ve been done before a lot

[vital kernel]

In any case, I'd like to discuss the lore implications thereof, not theorize on the likelyhood of it happening.

[dusk patrol]

The lore implications are there’s another cult

Not really sure how to expand on that

It would probably not be very cash money

[vital kernel]

A lack of imagination. The implication is that if there's Genestealers on Atoma it would mean the Planet is en route of a Hivefleet, which may or may not already be part of the Darktide component threatening the Moebian Domain.

[celest dome]

Basically they are vague enough for FS and Abnett to make what ever they want

[full bane]

There's more than enough room for an expanded enemy roster with just cultists and heretics.

[lofty prawn]

so what makes this hive city so special that they don't just nuke it from space? it seems fucked beyond repair

[full bane]

Genestealer Cults could probably be their own game entirely.

[celest dome]

Exterminatus are very rare, and Tertium is the major Hive planet in the sector

[vital kernel]

I disagree, it would fit pretty well in the established framework.

[full bane]

Capital/Central planet of the local Subsector.

[celest dome]

GSC are already done

Deathwing

They will most likely will wanna do thing not yet done

[full bane]

It's the center of the Moebian Domain.

[vital kernel]

Those were not really a Cult, just stranded sods in a Space Hulk

[lofty prawn]

fair enough, it's just wild. "yeah there's corruption in the water supply just shoot it a bunch it'll wash out"

[dusk patrol]

That doesn’t mean any of that

Cults form on worlds where genestealers land

And they take the planet before they summon a fleet

Often, with no result for it

Especially in the Segmentum Solar

[celest dome]

The only thing we can say about GSC is that it's not impossible, but it's unlikely

[full bane]

It's not the most thorough of cleansings, but remember that we're hitting small parts of a city that's ABSOLUTELY MASSIVE.

[dusk patrol]

I think it could happen but I expect them to do the different gods first

[lofty prawn]

i'd say other chaos gods are more likely than GSC

[celest dome]

Basically

[lofty prawn]

true, plus you can assume each sortie is mutliple teams

[vital kernel]

Several Chaos gods in a single Hive would be sorta silly.

[celest dome]

Not at all

[full bane]

Yeah, it's a lot of small, minor operations.

[lofty prawn]

silly maybe but more likely

[dusk patrol]

Any more silly than genestealer cults and a chaos cult?

[celest dome]

A lot of small Cults exist in the same Hive, even cults of the same God, who aren't allied

[dusk patrol]

All of them hate eachother and fight eachother

[vital kernel]

One Chaos Cult is not so surprising, but it fills a certain niche, which is unlikely to be filled by another Chaos Cult of another god.
A Genestealer Cult in another hive is actually not that far fetched, in comparison. It would probably see an opportunity for uprising if Tertium is in trouble.

[lofty prawn]

I reckon we get more nurgle themed stuff for a while, there's other things that haven't been touched

[celest dome]

And you can have Chaos Cults work together, while not for GSC/Chaos Cults

[full bane]

As opposed to a completely separate Xenos-Cult that somehow escalates to a similar threat level?
Elements of other Chaos influences could still be added to the overall roster, while a xenos cult would be a full revamp of the enemy lineup for those missions.

[celest dome]

Each Cult can fill another cultural "niche", just like Earth has multiple major religions

[vital kernel]

As I explained earlier, the GSC would share a massive amount of overlap in roster with the existing one. While other chaos gods would require a lot of rework

[celest dome]

Most of the Chaos Cults would be able to overlap, reskin, and adapt new twist to the current roster

[lofty prawn]

where my nurglings at

[vital kernel]

But would it add any variety, beyond just fighting red Scabs?

[full bane]

It's kind of the opposite though, a Genecult force would need to be remade from the ground up to showcase a Xenos threat, while fringe Chaos elements wouldn't need many new models and can work in conjunction with the existing enemy roster.

[oblique elk]

how ppl feeling about teh warhammer stuff announced recently with henry cavill, or at least the intention i mean

not announcement, cuz its not confirmed i think

[vital kernel]

The majority of GSC units is already Autogun or Tool lobbing dudes. All it takes is a visual overhaul.

[lofty prawn]

I mean we know barely anything

[celest dome]

It can, same way, would fighting Purplish Scab and Dreg be enough ?
Like Corpse Grinder cult inspired would be great and new

[lofty prawn]

he seems like a true fan so whatever he does I assume he'll do a good job

[dusk patrol]

I mean you’re saying that GSC would also just be this so idk what you’re saying

There’s a bunch they could add and reuse for both factions

[full bane]

Corruption as a mechanic, daemonhosts, general cultist models and the like are all easily shared when you just throw in a different Cult, and you can mix and match them because at the end of the day they're all working towards a similar goal.
Whereas with a Xenos Cult faction you'd need a lot more new models and development for a faction which would be more of a content island.

More chaos makes sense from a content development standpoint, you can throw in new specials which aren't entirely nurgle and have them mixed and matched with your current hordes, like the Beastmen in Vermintide.

[celest dome]

The different factions should be similar, but have twist that make them different enough:
Scab/Traitor Guard: Ranged and armour
Dreg/Nurgle: Numbers and Disgisting resilience
Khorne: Quality>Number and armour
Slaanesh: Speed and number (Drugged)
Tzeentch: Thrall (Taking units from each cults) and Psykers/Controller

[rustic spruce]

it'd be neat to fight a bloodcrusher

[celest dome]

I think a Bloodbeast from old lore would make more sense

more humanoid-ish

[full bane]

Genecults on the other hand are mainly their own thing and would likely have less enemy variety which needs to be developed separately, need new mechanics to differentiate them from the Chaos forces, and are harder to justify from both a lore and content development standpoint.

[celest dome]

At least a Fiend of Slaanesh and a Flamer would be given monster

[full bane]

Mark of Khorne event modifier, Poxwalker swarms all replaced by Rager swarms.

Nothing but Ragers.

Oops, all Ragers.

All music, special soundcues, and ambient dialogue is replaced by a constant yelling of KILL MAIM BURN

[lofty prawn]

I'd hope whatever they do isn't Khorne related tbh, just about every 40k game if it's daemons seems to be Khorne or Nurgle

[rustic spruce]

hit us with that waaaagh fatshark

[lofty prawn]

I'd coom

[full bane]

Easiest to do lol

[lofty prawn]

but nah space marine has that covered honestly

[celest dome]

Honestly I would prefer for them to do all 4 Cults

[lofty prawn]

yeeeeah fits into game stereotypes pretty well yeah? zombies etc

[full bane]

Yup.

[celest dome]

Orks in their own game (Or Orcs, in fantasy)

[full bane]

They could probably just throw in more "subfactions" of the Nurgle-aligned chaos.

And have just as much variety.

[celest dome]

Do the Dual god cult still exist ?

[lofty prawn]

I mean there's still nurgle units we haven't seen

like a lot honestly

most of the specials in the game pretty much boil down to some flavor of cultist

[celest dome]

Plaguebeaere

Nightmares

[lofty prawn]

bloatflies might be fun

[full bane]

Maybe some kind of small Pestilence-Sorcerer cult from the upper hive and a corrupted miner guild. Throw on more nurgle-factions alongside the Scabs and Dregs.

[celest dome]

Slopity Bilepipers

[lofty prawn]

If we get more daemon units I hope they are kinda slower more in line with the nurgle vibe

[celest dome]

I do wonder if flyer units would work

[lofty prawn]

possibly

[full bane]

pain

[lofty prawn]

maybe in the boss role

[celest dome]

Would work better here than it would have in VT, but still not likely

[lofty prawn]

a plaguebearer on bloatfly would be quite the enemy for just some dudes

[full bane]

Imagine having to shoot rotflies while dealing with hordes.

[sinful crater]

more khorne and nurgle are technically the easier to do without either be censored (slaneesh) or get too much weird (tzench)

[full bane]

Imagine having to deal with rotfly hordes.

[lofty prawn]

yeah I figured it's just lame, give me weird birds on discs

[sinful crater]

who know honestly...

[lofty prawn]

I want nurglings in here in some capacity

[full bane]

Well we could do with a sackrat equivalent.

[sinful crater]

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99129915008_Plaguebearers01.jpg this one?

[full bane]

Something with a bucket of Plasteel and Dymantine.

[full bane]

The mounted ones.

[sinful crater]

something that can be cool, it's some secondary objective where hidden in the mission you have a cache of arsenal from the heretic you can get, it will take the place of a scripture/grimoir/medikit/ammo box and you only get a loot if you extract with it.

[sinful crater]

any mounted enemy will be a trouble, we don't have really hard hitter weapon.... by the way, did you notice the size of the impact of a plasma rifle in the game? it's the size of a autogun impact (on the wall i'm talking)

[celest dome]

Mounted doesn't mean in a vehicle

But still I don't think it's likely to happen

Plaguebearer, yes

Bilepiper maybe

Herald most likely not

[lofty prawn]

technically a rotfly I think

[full bane]

Would be around the same size as a Beast, just with a flopping guy on the back as the weakspot.

[lofty prawn]

could have a themed battle with something fucking huge. have to load a demolisher cannon etc to kill it

[vital kernel]

I don't think many people would be excited for Chaos Cult variety hour. Not to mention the background material explicitly mentions the Darktide threatening the Moebian Domain being a mix of Heretic and Xeno forces assailing the region.

[sinful crater]

i want a mission in middle of a battlefield, where we see guard fight heretic alongside than us

[lofty prawn]

considering how this game runs I'd hold you breath for something with a bunch of models fucking about

[celest dome]

I would prefer it

Chaos is lovely

And we rarely see Slaanesh and Tzeentch

[sinful crater]

you can make a urban battelfied, we move from place to place to help guard to secure the area and push back a massive attack of heretic

[vital kernel]

a mission in a trench network out in the wastelands would be pretty dope, while a massive battle rages all around us. In the same vein of the CoD Zombie map where you get giant robots walking across the map

[sinful crater]

don't make me dream please

[celest dome]

Or just one where we are in the trenches, and we have artillery flying over us and stuff

[lofty prawn]

maybe have to reactivate turrets with Hadrons help?

[sinful crater]

yep

[vital kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q3F_5NqK2R0

[lofty prawn]

I could see that

[vital kernel]

imagine this, but with Warlord Titans and Gargants going at it

kind of a shame that a god damn Cawadoody game did those visuals before a 40k game got to doing it

[lofty prawn]

thinking opening mission of new Wolfenstein

[sinful crater]

honestly, we don't know exactly where is the moebian sector, we have a guess... but no clear info, nor we know what compose the darktide... technically if it's really close of the cicatrix... well any chaos force can join.

[lofty prawn]

so is this a planet scale war or just this hive city?

[sinful crater]

without forget from what i have understand of the story soo far... we know a cult was revolting and and they did call the 6th moebian from the frontier, that was already heretic and decide to work with the cult... but that open 2 question. 1) where the 6th did come from? 2) how much the moebian guard was corrupted already?

[sinful crater]

more a sector wide, soo far we are focus on tertium because it's where we are needed.... but nothing forbidde them to make us go to other planet or hive city

[lofty prawn]

true that

[sinful crater]

we can even have mission in station

[lofty prawn]

that would give reason to have xenos then

[vital kernel]

Think of it like a province or a self-governing state. It pays its tithes and taxes to Terra, it obeys the laws of Terra, and it manufactures vast quantities of goods for the Imperium. It’s important. It must not be lost, or invaded, or ever fall to the darkness that lies in the disputed territories it borders. Those territories, which are ‘parts unknown’, wild worlds outside the Imperium’s remit, are a hotbed of alien (“xenos”) and daemonic threat. To the average citizen of Atoma and its sister worlds, the nature of that threat is a mystery. It’s just called ‘the Darktide’, a boogeyman threat that must be kept at bay. That’s why they have the regiments of the Astra Militarum. This is from the Moebian Sixth blogpost. All we know is that the Moebian Domain is on the border of Imperial Space, which is basically the entire galactic edge.

[sinful crater]

on the veeeeeery long terms, maybe

[vital kernel]

"The threat of Chaos is not so easily defeated and the Battle for Tertium is just the beginning. In the coming weeks, months, and years the Darktide universe will grow, bringing with it new classes, missions, enemies & allies, and much more!"
This is from the Darktide Homepage, I think it is safe to assume at some point the war will spread to all of Atoma.

[sinful crater]

not only atoma, it sister worlds too

especially if the moebian guard is partially corrupted

i didn't finish the new mission yet, i don't know how it end

[vital kernel]

One of the important planets in the Domain fell recently. And the new Cosmetics for the guns mention another rather crucial planet the Inquisition themself destroyed, just to be reclaimed by the guard.

[sinful crater]

maybe we can get have some detail on what will come from it

they did added cosmetic?

[vital kernel]

The new mission doesn't really add any groundbreaking plot reveals. Just a "punch buttons" in Throneside mission

[sinful crater]

we have no tibbits about who they are calling as reinforcement?

[lofty prawn]

I do hope the story goes somewhere

it's seems to have the bones to be interesting

[vital kernel]

No idea, but got some fresh Space Marine chatter from the Ogryn and the Zaelot.

[sinful crater]

psyker talk about his friend outworld too

[vital kernel]

On another note, while combing the cosmetics for lore snippets I found something interesting. The Fringe Wars do seem to include Orks beyond any doubt, since the Tankcrusher set mentions their tanks being broken open.

Also not sure if the Moebian 8th is an Armoured Regiment, or it's the Moebiant 8th Armoured Regiment. Either could be the case.

since the Moebian 6th-13th are accounted for in the snippets so far, except maybe the 7th but I am not sure

interesting how Fatshark seems to have adopted the Darksoulian Method of packing lore snippets in Item Descriptions, not that I mind, it makes the search good fun

[lofty prawn]

funny it's in the cosmetic store lol

seems frontline fighting is in some dire straights by those descriptions

[vital kernel]

well that's just standard faire for the Imperial Guard, it's going terribly until at some point it has gone terribly for so long the enemy is off worse than you.

the question really is, how terribly can it go before it simply doesn't go anymore

[sinful crater]

you know what they say about the astra militarum, if you can't kill the enemy fast... bury them under a tons of artillery shell and guard body

ok, ork confirmed, check the description of the orgyn armor. they talk how the moebian 8th did face ork and how tog did pry open a xeno tank facing the ork crew

[plush mason]

yup

so there are orks on at least one front of the fringe war

[signal bramble]

The imperium isn’t above cutting and running from a planet if they feel it isn’t worth the expenditure of resources.

They can always take the planet back in a few centuries.

[plush mason]

also i love the new steel legion skin for vet but its a little annoying being what is now just a cadian playing dress up

[sinful crater]

now i can see the ork being added and when a horde start we heard the ork scream waaaagh!

[plush mason]

if that happens and Marrow doesnt say "just like old times" or "its just like home now" ima be hella disappointed

[lofty prawn]

surprised it wasn't a krieger

but yeah it's a bit odd

[signal bramble]

They added new skins?

:0

[lofty prawn]

yeah the shop rotated

[signal bramble]

Show?

[plush mason]

play a rank 3 and up mission. you will fell like a krieger in no time kek

[signal bramble]

Or direct me somewhere I can look? :3

[lofty prawn]

uuuhh

hold on

[plush mason]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/867618843822915594/1053405078209449984/image.png my vet 🙂

[lofty prawn]

someone had posted all of them but I think it was in general like forever ago

[signal bramble]

I found it.

[lofty prawn]

cool

[signal bramble]

I want the zealot and preacher.

[lofty prawn]

the psyker looks terrible

[dawn marlin]

Yea, psyker looks goofy af

[plush mason]

yeah

[signal bramble]

The psyker penance ones are the best looking so far in my opinion.

I picked up the old Ogryn one last night because it’s a bullgryn armor set and bullgryn are awesome.

[dawn marlin]

Comically large whatever-this-thing-is

[signal bramble]

Guess I’m buying some skins tonight.

[vital kernel]

More of Grendyls goons, just got the scoop on another run of the mission.

[vital kernel]

Honestly I hope it's not just a swap of enemies in Tertium, but having the Orks missions being located outside Tertium, a variation of locations from their Rokk to the outskirts of Tertium, selling the idea that we're pancaked between a Rokk and a Heretic place.

[signal bramble]

It’s not surprising. She seems like a senior inquisitor so it’s not surprising she’d have a massive network of resources.

[vital kernel]

"She", Mastozi seems to assume Grendyls gender as "he/his"

[signal bramble]

The dude at the end of the level 30 story is the interrogator isn’t he ? I thought he wasn’t the inquisitor.

I think the real inquisitor is the ship mistress.

So I’m saying “she”

[vital kernel]

That's Rannick, the Interrogator yep. But we haven't seen Grendyl yet. Though in this new mission Mastozi mentions Grendyl being a "he". If you look at the screenshot I posted. That doesn't mean Mastozi is actually correct, or knows who the Inquisitor is.

And I don't think Shipmistress Brahms is the Inquisitor.

[signal bramble]

That’s my guess for now.

Whoever the inquisitor is. They seem to be of sufficient resources for this type of operation so I’m assuming they have plenty of resources.

[vital kernel]

Inquisitors usually requisition the resources in relation to the task at hand. Someone like Grendyl could basically mobilize anything in communications distance, if necessary. The mission description mentions sending a report on the warzone. So we could be sending a message to Grendyl.

[sinful crater]

we don't know his level in the organization, it can even be a member of the council of the moebian enclave

[signal bramble]

I assume the inquisitor would be careful about who they send in to a full daemoncially corrupted area.

Needs folks who are expendable so if they die or turn it’s not a huge loss. But capable enough to handle their objectives.

[sinful crater]

with the fact that the 6th moebian was traitor, if i was him i will not send any guard from the frontier, too risky

[sinful crater]

or send someone that know how to deal with this efficiently... but honestly any fight against daemonic invasion is a risky bussiness

[stuck kindle]

Weird that grendyl still has not shown his face. Probably planetside

[signal bramble]

It’s not a full on daemonic incursion yet but the presence of the beasts of nurgle shows they’re doing something.

Also since we don’t know who grendyl is and there’s a daemonhost the inquisitor might have gone rogue.

[sinful crater]

i think grendel is not on atoma, i will not be surprise if he lead a large operation and we are only one of the many battlefield he is in charge

if you look at it, at the start it was only a revolt lead by a cult, the 6th moebian and a small detachment of the inquisition was enough for deal with it... until the 6th moebian did turn traitor... the situation did take a turn for the worst

instead to stop this revolt the reinforcement send for deal with it, have become reinforcement for the revolt. speeding the corruption process.

plus we know that at least 4 area under traitor control and one about to fall... the situation is not good... we don't know who are the leader, where are them hq... hard to hit them efficiently when you don't even know where they are.... so far we are on the defensive.

[vital kernel]

I think the strategic situation in Tertium is quite complicated, as internal turf wars usually are. For example, look at this map. I think large portions are still under Imperial Control. Some may have gone rogue but still not traitor, and some have come under Scab and Dreg control respectively.

Like, a big hot steaming mess.

[arctic talon]

Yeah Tertiums battle lines prolly look like a modern civil war

[sinful crater]

when you see the start of the new mission, you can see that thorneside was already hit harder than what we was thinking... a lot of building are closed and you can see a lot of chaos marking.

we have 3 problem right now:

• 1. we don't know how far the revolt have gone since we have lost all contact with the 6th moebian that seems to have come before us
• 2. we have no info about the number of enemy we are facing.
• 3. finally we don't have any real ressource available, that why we are forced to steal ammunition from the heretic... we don't even have a base on the planet, all go from the mourning star

[vital kernel]

Yeah the whole shuttling up and down aspect kinda irks me. It would have been far more atmospheric to have a base at the top of the spire and kind of do "combat patrols" down into the hive. Similar to Taals Horn Keep in VT2, or the Inn in VT1. Gives you the theme of holding back the tide from a comfy last stand. While hanging out in Orbit feels a bit too... safe?

[normal stream]

She's a rogue trader. Check the RT banners in the war room.

[vital kernel]

Yeah, it seems rather decisive.

[sinful crater]

well all in all, we can safely say.... we are screwed!

[bronze sigil]

orgyns are now being written as forest gump

[echo vault]

I love that in the aegis station level the plague zombies are like hive nobles or at least hive somebodies

It's so cool

[uneven temple]

give that syrian civil war map a z axis and now we talkin tertium babyyyy

[echo vault]

They all have like lil coats on and powdered wigs

[vital kernel]

Yeah, it's pretty clear that Poxwalkers are not actually Cultists, but rather infected civillians that are just controlled by their affliction to become cannon fodder.

[echo vault]

It's cool that there is so much variety too

Like medieval peasants, nobles, and naked people

[storm jungle]

some are literally in their underwear + bathrobe too

pretty cursed

[arctic talon]

Imagine taking a shower

And you just turn into a pox walker

[storm jungle]

sounds like home 🙏

[deep turtle]

I'm gonna guess ultra smurfs or successor chaptor

[arctic talon]

It’s an ultramarine

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres no chapter symbol but he has roman uniform parts

[vital kernel]

It's a Primaris, could literally be anything.

[plush mason]

dont the fists also have those roman style belts?

[storm jungle]

Yeah its not exactly an Ultramarine specific thing

but they are the ones that use the most roman cosmetic features

[plush mason]

true

and it being an ultrasmurf makes sense as afaik they are literally the in universe poster boys of the space marines

[deep turtle]

what sector is atoma in ? secondus?

[vital kernel]

It's part of the generic Marine Lieutenant design, not really UM specific. The only thing we can gather from that is that the Statues are relatively new, less than 200 years old and the Moebian Domain had contact with the Indomitus Crusade.

[deep turtle]

oh then that would explain alot, Their isnt much info on Moebian Domain

[dusk patrol]

It’s way younger than 200

The fall of Cadia is recent and the timeline has been changed for a long time

[plush mason]

as far as i can tell the game is set during the indomitus crusade

[deep turtle]

or plague wars

[vital kernel]

The claims varied wildly early into the whole Era Indomitus literature, have they agreed on how long Roboute is back yet?

[dusk patrol]

It’s been consistent for awhile

It’s just been like eight years

Or something like that

Very recent

[vital kernel]

That sounds way too few.

For 40k.

[dusk patrol]

They changed it for a reason

[storm jungle]

^

It was one of the really new retcons

[dusk patrol]

It allows them to actually do Indomitus

As opposed to having it settled

[storm jungle]

they got some books printed out with the wrong dates too before recalling them all back for reprints

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

Some are still kinda weird

[storm jungle]

I got a copy of one

[vital kernel]

Yeah because wasn't it at some point "Well, now that we have finished the Indomitus Crusader after 200 years of crusadin..."

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeah it was a big time-jump

[dusk patrol]

Plague Wars was originally at the end of it

Now it’s at the start

[vital kernel]

yeah

[dusk patrol]

The realized that they just wrote themselves back to square one

[plush mason]

so darktide may just be set in the plague wars

[vital kernel]

Right, that whole timeline tomfoolery was really confusing for me because at the time I was only taking in info on the periphery.

[dusk patrol]

Probably not

Considering it’s in Segmentum Solar

Plague Wars in is Ultramar

[plush mason]

fair

[vital kernel]

Do we know it's Segmentum Solar? Moebian is always mentioned to be on the Borders of the Imperium, and Solar is pretty much the only segmentum without a proper Imperial Border

unless you add the Z axis, but 40k doesn't like to do that, Galaxy Flat yknow

[arctic talon]

It’s prolly between solar and some other segmentum

[storm jungle]

Yeah they will prob reveal it at some point

[plush mason]

yeah

[arctic talon]

Also that’s technically not the generic primaris that guy was from a box

https://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/920x950/99070101032_SMPrimarisLieutenantPowerSword01.jpg

This guy is generic LT.

[storm jungle]

Yeah im sure they didnt brand it as any Chapter as to avoid salt lmao

which is wise

[arctic talon]

None of the generic primaris have the ultramarine leather bits iirc

[plush mason]

hey i didnt know Titus had a TT model

[arctic talon]

And there’s options to build the captain without the plume

[arctic talon]

Should have just made it some obscure tiny chapter mentioned like twice in the lore

[storm jungle]

alas if only but marketing

[arctic talon]

Imagine if it was the iron hands

They deserve it

[storm jungle]

lmfao

harsh but true

[vital kernel]

Big Reveal: Moebian is right next to the Kaurava System.
GREETINGS IMPERIAL CITIZEN; I HAVE HEARD YOU HAVE TRAITOR TROUBLES?!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhqWHIq-aZw

[dusk patrol]

The Leutin video he did for FS mentions it

That and the CM saying it’s general location are the two giveaways

It was either Solar or Obscurus

[barren tapir]

Yeah, but it is nothing compared to your problems with banebaldes... BTW, uh, how is the search going?

[dusk patrol]

God I wish

That would be so fucking kickass

[arctic talon]

Medusa my beloved

[dusk patrol]

Me reading about an Iron Hand taking a power sword to the gut and crushing the CSM who did it then replying to his Battle Brother asking if he’s already with I am still at 76.5% combat efficiency.

https://tenor.com/view/lol-laughing-funny-me-it-me-gif-14850549

[storm jungle]

I hope the Iron Hands come to help us

then murder half the population

because they are based that way

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

All the potentially infected purged

[dusk patrol]

Not the Iron Hands fault the population was too WEAK

Imagine having flesh to get infected: This post brought to you by the Iron Father gang

[barren tapir]

WEAK! Only the strong endure! That is why we replace flesh with machine, because flesh is weak.... Error, we are then weak before, and don't the deserve the machine... Error... Error... BSOD boom!!

[signal bramble]

This really should have been an in lore style weapon/spaceship for 40k. Probably the black Templar.

[arctic talon]

Tbf ships in the imperium have an armored prow for a reason

Also most chapters prefer to uh not engage in navel combat

[dusk patrol]

Ramming is a feature

[arctic talon]

Mostly since their ships aren’t great for it

[dusk patrol]

Not a mistake

[arctic talon]

Marine ships lack firepower

But they’re thicc as hell

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they’re designed to just sit in orbit and tank literally fleets laying into them for days

And god forbid you try to board

[arctic talon]

Yeah boarding a marine ship is

A terrible idea

They’re built like mazes and full of kill zones lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s like fighting a bear by throwing your gun at it and switching to fisticuffs

[arctic talon]

The only space marine ships that are designed to be “good” at space combat

Are their escorts

Mostly since they’re just normal imperial navy ships

Also I guess gloriana’s but they also suck due to how fucking big they are

[barren tapir]

BTW, the armoured prow wasn't really made to ramming, but it was made so that they could close in frontally to then drift and shoot the broadside close range, such tactic required a prow that could withstand the incoming enemy fire... This is also why Ad. Mech. ships don't have such peculiarly shaped prow, because their tactics were always about long range engagements

[plush mason]

someone should have told that to the folks that made the BFG video games

[arctic talon]

Lol

They’re good for kiting in those games

Which matches how they’re really fucking fast

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

For their size at least

[plush mason]

and squishy as all hell

[uneven temple]

Gloriana's are fleet breakers

[arctic talon]

They really aren’t

[uneven temple]

Send em in and they'll come out having smashed everything in their path

[arctic talon]

Unless heavily supported

They’re super vulnerable to torpedos

And lance weaponry

[uneven temple]

Eh?

[arctic talon]

They’re too big to maneuver

[uneven temple]

Where's that from?

[dusk patrol]

They’re huge force multipliers

[plush mason]

wtf is a gloriana?

[dusk patrol]

But they have weaknesses

[arctic talon]

Very Big ship

[dusk patrol]

Big ships

From the Heresy

[plush mason]

ah

[arctic talon]

There’s like a few still used in 40k

[dusk patrol]

One of each primarch

And a few others

[arctic talon]

And 2 for the navy

And uhh

1 for big e

[dusk patrol]

Two for Alpha Legion

One for Abaddon

[arctic talon]

The dark angels had 3 lul

They lost 2

[dusk patrol]

Word Bearers also had an extra for some reason

It’s weird lore

They were and are devastating but they need support

[uneven temple]

They're never really explicitly called out as particularly vulnerable to any type of weaponry, though I suppose you could try and argue for a type of vulnerability based on size

[arctic talon]

Also Glorianas being weak to torpedos can be inferred due to the fact that melta torpedos and lances managed to punch holes in the phalanx

And I highly doubt a Gloriana is more durable then the phalanx in terms of armor

[dusk patrol]

There’s some references to their weaknesses in books

[arctic talon]

That also

They’re big

Which == big target

[dusk patrol]

The Macragge’s Honour gets captured at one point

The Black Legion books go into it

[uneven temple]

Nah

Huron's book iirc

[dusk patrol]

I think the Eternal Crusader and the Vengeful Spirit have a showdown at one point where it showcases their weaknesses, and what sets the Vengeful Spirit apart

[storm jungle]

The Red Corsairs do it too recently i think?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah that’s the one

They have to ditch it though eventually

It refuses to fire on loyalists and also I believe fires on their own ships in the middle of battle

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah

poor ship suffers

[dusk patrol]

Basically the whole ship was working against them at every turn and it wasn’t worth it

Eternal Crusader we don’t get to see much of but it has issues during the fleet battle for Armageddon

[dusk patrol]

I’m just referring to Glorianas and their strengths and weaknesses

The MH being captured is shown in detail during Hurons book though yes

But the Black Legion books go into the mechanics of how Glorianas fight a bit

ADB loves his void warfare when he gets to do it

[plush mason]

does the steel legion have a special pattern of lasgun or no?

i assume no as i have never seen them depicted with anything besides the kantraal

[dusk patrol]

I’m almost positive they have something

Not sure though

[barren tapir]

I don't think they have their own pattern, since it is stated that lasguns doesn't work well on armageddon because of the dust, at least for the ash waste militia, they have their own autogun pattern

[plush mason]

i see

[dusk patrol]

I think they have like signature knives or something

[barren tapir]

Those are the armageddon ork hunters iirc

[dusk patrol]

It might just be their stuff is made special on Armageddon so they tend to be more well equip

[uneven temple]

I don't remember much of the weaknesses of Gloriana's in BL, it was mostly that amniotic tank thing that they installed in the Vengeful Spirit that made the BL go sanic

[dusk patrol]

Steel Legion gets a lot of nice stuff

Hellguns, carapace, baneblades and so on.

[orchid sleet]

no guns, no armour do you think an ogryn would be in with a shout against a space marine?

not like 50/50

but like if they fought 10 times then maybe he could take one

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the marine

And the Ogryn

Standard in both sides, marine should win most of the time

[orchid sleet]

a bonehead and your just run of the mill average marine

mainly because i like boneheads

[dusk patrol]

But if you had one like Nork or a more combat capable one with a record, it’s probably a lot less

It’s hard to say though

Marines are just a lot faster and if they’re properly ready and it’s a straight 1v1 they’re very capable of staying out of the Ogryns grip

[orchid sleet]

but if the ogryn does get a hold of them, they are in for a tough time

[dusk patrol]

And they can deliver blows to the Ogryn which will cripple it in return

[dusk patrol]

If he gets a grip then yeah

They’re probably done for

[orchid sleet]

and on another note

the beasts of nurgle

they are literal daemons arent they?

and if so, then how tf are they in real space

is that something that is mentioned?

[storm jungle]

Yes

they are summoned

like any daemon