40k-lore-chat

[storm jungle]

the Inquisition was just doing a little bit of trolling

[spark relic]

The Space Wolves did not like that the Inquisition was being the Inquisition so they escorted a whole bunch of civilians off-world to be nice

Turns out the civvies WERE corrupted and so the entire sector got mini cults springing up all around cause of what the Wolves did

Luv me Wolves

[barren tapir]

IIRC that is not true, the worlds that come in contact with the survivors were just killed because they had such contact, not because chaos cults started poping up

[normal stream]

Cite your source on this?

[barren tapir]

Yup, it wasn't because cults poped up, they just killed everyone that made contact with the survivors

And tbf, the Wolves were right in that instance

The inquisition and grey knights were assholes

But they got what they deserved those assholes

[normal stream]

When are they not? 😛

The wolves intentionally escorted them off because they knew the Malleus/GK modus operandi

[barren tapir]

Sometime the inquisition is fine, like amberly vail... More unique than rare though

[barren tapir]

Yeah, and Grimnar had even assurance that they wouldn't be harmed

[storm jungle]

The Inquisition wanted to kill the people through labour. It is a common thing during genocides and it doesn't make it better.

so yep, all correct

[barren tapir]

That was the civilians, the military got straight up butchered while moving in or out transports

Or when in transit

[worn pagoda]

Found me some art that makes me want to play an Ogryn Krieger in Only War.
Commissar from other regiment: "What's your name Ogryn?"
Krieger Ogryn: "Ogryn. Auh- acts- ouchts- Aah..."
Commissar: "Auxiliary?"
Krieger Ogryn: "Yes. Name Ogryn, just as momma wanted."
Commissar: "Ah."
Krieger Ogryn: "Momma was a toob"

[barren tapir]

Such scummish actions that would throw in a fit of rightful rage anyone probably

[normal stream]

I think it was through sterilization too

[storm jungle]

Yep

Sterilize

Send to "penal camps"

Work all them to death

[normal stream]

"reindoctrination camps"

[barren tapir]

Yup, civilians literally got put in labor camps, sterilized and then worked to death... Like, what the fucking reason is the sterilization anyway? If they are chaos corrupted it is not something they could spread to future generation, since they will be so mutated that cannot bring childrens anyway

Fucking dumb inquisition

[normal stream]

There's nothing in lore saying that you can't reproduce once you're corrupted

[barren tapir]

Not directly no, it is more because of the mutations to the body that the corruption bring, especially if the corruption isn't a willing one

That of course depend on which mutations the corruption bring... Like, i cannot really see a poxwalker being pregnant

[storm jungle]

Basically better safe than sorry

[normal stream]

Poxwalkers kinda aren't alive anymore

[storm jungle]

but this is like Nazi tier shit so you know lmao

[normal stream]

But yeah, it sorta depends on the extent and nature of corruption/mutation

[celest dome]

Basically what a certain country is currently is doing to one of it's minority

[normal stream]

Well, I mean, they're alive, but barely. They're walking corpses for all intents and purposes, with the souls trapped as prisoners in the bodies.

[barren tapir]

And on top of all this, if they wanted to keep their mouths shut couldn't have left them all on the world and quarantined it? Naaaaah, better kill all who can work

[storm jungle]

YEP but lets not get into that lmao

[normal stream]

People can get offworld.

[barren tapir]

Yes, but also no, it is not that easy

Especially in a world that has been ravaged by war

[normal stream]

Kinda depends, really.

[barren tapir]

Starports are not exactly something that grow up from dirt

[celest dome]

Great idea

[normal stream]

It's a hive world. I imagine there's enough merchantmen traffic.

And if not, then black marketeers/privateers.

[barren tapir]

Sure, but that is in a well established world, without a titanic war just ended, and iirc armageddon became a hive world after the first war

Ok, mixed stuff up, it is quite recent

So yeah, it was an hive world already...

Well, there is still the titanic war

[normal stream]

After every major conflict, even in the real world, there will always be black marketeers/privateers moving goods in and out to fill unmet needs before order is fully restored, or to move contraband (spoils of war, weapons, etc.) out before they're scooped up

[barren tapir]

Yes, but there were inquisition fleet, and space wolves fleet around the planet, they could have blockaded it until imperial navy arrived and then move... Sure, black marketeers might know how to move, but they cannot be invisible can they?

[normal stream]

Don't forget those guys were pretty busy shooting at each other.

And the context of what we're discussing is "why sterilize" - because they can't enforce a total blockade for forever

[barren tapir]

Well, you just don't need forever, just long enough that stories became mythos and then get forgotten

Especially if you bring in new people, like they did

[normal stream]

yeah, well, technically the easiest thing to do would've just to have executed all of them

If you're gonna sterilize

You might as well just inject poison

[sinful crater]

guys did you check the patch notes?

"In Comms-Plex 154/2f, it is up to you and your strike team to gain access to the Comms-plex. Get to the roof of the HL-19-24 Archivum and transmit a message to your allies in the Imperium."

[barren tapir]

Yes, what is the fuss?

[celest dome]

I mean, we already knew

Like they teased it in the Throneside mission and in Vox from earlier this week

[sinful crater]

that not the part that interest me... that the last part that interest me.

"...transmit a message to your allies in the Imperium."

we know we can't get space marine involved in this... it's a fact... then the allies they talk about are not many... and we know that a shrine world is nearby then.

i still think sororitas will be involved sooner or later. and still hope to have the class sororitas...

[arctic talon]

Doubt it

Zealot fits the same niche

Of religious psychopath

[celest dome]

The only way to make Sororitas work would be to set them on Act/Shield of Faith

Otherwise it's redundant

(Same for Ratling and Vet)

[plush mason]

iirc all communication out of atoma have been cut off so they likely just mean "get an sos out to anyone that can hear it"

[sinful crater]

naturally, but they will probably not call regular army for deal with this... it's a corruption. but you are right maybe i read too much into it.

[arctic talon]

They prolly will

A few guard regiments can get this sorted

Bring in urban warfare specialists and the Moebian 6th are done tbh

[sinful crater]

dunno since it's seems the source of the plague was regiment of guard called back from the frontier, who know how far is spread the corruption in the guard

[arctic talon]

The plague was already in the city

[plush mason]

i really hope the imperium isnt trying to keep chaos a "secret" anymore given that the galaxy is literally ripped in half by the warp

[arctic talon]

The Moebian sixth were chaos corrupted already

Separately

[arctic talon]

They aren’t lol

Shit is fucked beyond all hell

[plush mason]

ye

[arctic talon]

There’s like almost no grey knights on titan

[sinful crater]

it was said in the first vox that the plague was bring by soldier coming back from the frontier and that they was the carrier

[arctic talon]

Which is a first lore wise

[arctic talon]

Except the cult of admonition did it

That was what the vox operator assumed

The cult of admonition was already preparing for a revolt and were poisoning the water supply

The Moebian sixth got called into crush the revolt but were already traitor

[plush mason]

yeah a perfect storm basically

[arctic talon]

So the stars aligned

In the worst way possible

And the 2 began working together, pdf forces prolly got screwed

[storm jungle]

Some elements are

most arent because the cat is out the bag

[arctic talon]

Because they assumed the Moebian 6th were gona reinforce them

[sinful crater]

gonna be hard to keep the chaos hidden, they don't have enough people for do a massive memory swipe

[plush mason]

i take it 2 of those are the grey knights and the idiots of the ordo malleus

[arctic talon]

Murder them

[arctic talon]

Grey knights don’t care anymore

[plush mason]

ok good

[arctic talon]

They’re spread way too thin

[storm jungle]

More or less yeah

[arctic talon]

But the Ordo malleus is still trying

To hide chaos

Which is uhh not working out great for em

[sinful crater]

after the month of shame them existence was known by the space wolves and they was a bit scolded by Bjorn

[arctic talon]

Big suprise

[arctic talon]

That’s not even relevant to the great rift

[plush mason]

please tell me the whole ordo isnt and its just the idiots among them

[arctic talon]

Opening

[arctic talon]

It’s just a few idiots

[plush mason]

good

[arctic talon]

inquisitor darkhammer

Cough cough

[plush mason]

he is canon?

[sinful crater]

we will not shame a proud member of the inquisition.... at least we will not share that they are idiot...

[plush mason]

i literally only know him from BFGA2

[arctic talon]

Yeah he’s canon

He’s also known for being an extremist lol

And he murdered another inqusitor

[storm jungle]

With a name like Darkhammer?

Bro no way

👀

[arctic talon]

Yep

He blew up a planrt

Because there was a tainted artifact

And he didn’t even bother telling anyone

[storm jungle]

I wish we got to meet his better twin in the Inquisition

Amil Brighthammer

[arctic talon]

Lol

[storm jungle]

okay ill stop

[sinful crater]

actually i will be happy to only meet grendel first... no need to add more inquisitor in our life as reject.

[arctic talon]

Honestly most of imperium nihlus is gona fall at this point

Considering huge swathes are under chaos control

[sinful crater]

and we did loose yarrick too... everything is lost!!!

[arctic talon]

Yarrick honestly didn’t do much

[sinful crater]

joke aside, right now i begin to think GW try to do a end of time in 40k

[arctic talon]

Doubt it

The setting is gona shift heavily

But it isn’t gona be an end times

The imperium is fine

It might come out of losing over half of it healthier

[sinful crater]

what is left of the imperium is fine, yep.

did you follow the actual narrative arc it's kinda hard to get all info.

[arctic talon]

I mean

Yeah

I play the tabletop game

Especially since the rule book has a lot of lore in it lol

[storm jungle]

Also uh

GW literally tells nothing about whats happening on the dark side of the Rift

the chaos codex didnt say much aside from it being riddled with chaos empires

[arctic talon]

Well the csm codex did

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[arctic talon]

Aside from shits fucked

Maybe we’ll get more

With arks of omen

Considering the dark angels show up in a lot of the promo stuff

And they’re on the dark side rn

[sinful crater]

they try to implie that perturabo try to ascend or i didn't understand well?

[arctic talon]

Perturabo has been a daemon prince since like

3rd edition lol

[sinful crater]

no i means he don't serve any god and since he is the one making them weapon, it was implied that he try to become something more than a daemon prince

[arctic talon]

No

Vashtor is his own thing

Weird Demi god

Perturabo is happy with his little empire he’s carved out rn

[sinful crater]

that why i say it's hard to follow, like the fact that maybe angron is the one that did kill yarrick and ork are going after him since in the recent promotional picture of him you see ork all around him

[arctic talon]

We dunno who killed yarrick

All we know is he’s dead

And he might not even be dead either since he’s been assumed dead several times

[sinful crater]

we know that angron have gone to armaggedon... and since the death of yarrick was redacted...

but yeah... too many rumor at this point

[barren tapir]

Angron went to armageddon?

[sinful crater]

seems soo

[barren tapir]

Well, too bad that Yarrick wasn't there i guess

[arctic talon]

Probsbly?

We don’t know

[storm jungle]

He has

well kinda, he was being summoned back in the day

[plush mason]

what are you talking about? that never happened /s

[storm jungle]

kek

[barren tapir]

Right, when such summoning was stopped

[brittle slate]

they decided not to, everything was building toward one

[ruby sparrow]

40k lore question, would a species psychology and mental functions also contribute to its warp presence?

like, would a species incapable of feeling much in the way of emotion and without any empathy at all have less warp presence than humans on average

[gusty sequoia]

Is there books about titins

[signal bramble]

Titanicus.

[signal bramble]

Eldar have a stronger warp presence and experience emotions much more intensely than humans.

[celest dome]

Just Comics

[celest dome]

Do the Tau experience emotion less ?

[signal bramble]

The titanicus novel also.

And some of the heresy ones to iirc.

[signal bramble]

I don’t think so. There’s something about them specifically and their souls with a lesser warp presence.

It’s another one of the many things in lore that function how the author needs them to.

[celest dome]

Just messing, with Tintin

[celest dome]

We do have the Necron, who don't have emotion for the most part and no warp presence at all

[vast oar]

Sorry for butting in, I have a very random question regarding the imperium of man, what do people drink usually in 41st millennium?

[signal bramble]

Whatever water they can get their hands. There’s also a type of coffee called recaf, some planets have tea, alcohol of all kinds.

[celest dome]

Purified Water, quality might be worse than preferable

There is Tanna, which is tea

I think

[signal bramble]

The Votann have their own special kind of alcohol called “Bru” which covers a variety of types.

[celest dome]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Food_and_Drink_of_the_Imperium

[signal bramble]

Wine is also popular among the upper classes.

[vast oar]

Oh neat, thank you guys for the answers!

[signal bramble]

And of course there’s the blood angels and their successors who drink blood.

[celest dome]

Obviously

But isn't Blood just non Purified water

[signal bramble]

Sometimes you just want to eat people. It’s not the BA fault there’s a bunch of humans just walking around filled with blood and meat.

[celest dome]

Obviously they are Khornate Cultist

Having blood and stuff

[signal bramble]

Exactly. If anything the BA are reducing the amount of blood by consuming it which should weaken Khorne.

[arctic talon]

Amsac(alcohol), recaf(some sort of caffeine heavy hot liquid that isn’t tea), and water

[plush mason]

who da fuck puts caffeine in tea anyway?

or are the english just that damn weird?

[wild vortex]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR9-HVlYfrk

[rapid grove]

Tea naturally has caffeine if it's from the tea plant. Nobody adds it.

[crimson tapir]

Come brother

Bask in the love of our lord

Hail nurgle

Nurgle

[plush mason]

it does? i thought caffeine only came from a type of berry

[rustic spruce]

more like nerdle

[rapid grove]

Nope it's naturally in several plants

[plush mason]

k

[barren tapir]

Tea have naturally caffeine, just called in a different way

Oh, someone already told you so

Whoops

[celest dome]

Tanin or something like that

[stuck kindle]

Tanna

A hot mug of tanna

[sweet mist]

can someone explain what exactly a "mortis operative" is in lore.

[storm jungle]

Nothing

its made up for the game

[plush mason]

the character frame explains it. they are an elite and secret unit in the inquisitor's warband so yeah its only to do with the game

[storm jungle]

^

Mortis means "Death" in latin

aka the edgiest title

thus = Pro Soldier Man

[plush mason]

ye

[signal bramble]

Based on the name and equipment along with the various lore blurbs where they discuss Name-level operatives, I'd assume Mortis level were the highest level.

[plush mason]

ye

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the lore description is just they’re some special snowflake group in the warband

Probably full of edgelords

[signal bramble]

I never liked that name. “Warband” makes me think chaos marines. Usually inquisitors refer to their followers as a “Retinue.”

[plush mason]

arent those 2 separate things? my understanding is the retinue is the people close to the inquisitor and the warband is the forces they keep on hand which members of the retinue lead

[dusk patrol]

It’s basically always retinue

[plush mason]

k

[dusk patrol]

Idk why they chose it for one but I mean, I guess it kinda names sense

[arctic talon]

I see it as we’re not actually part of the retinue

We’re just a hammer grendyl keeps around

[storm jungle]

^

Retinue is more or so a big cell of operatives/special characters

we are more or so just "soldier-person(s)"

[arctic talon]

We’re their own private guard regiment

They point at something and tell us to go kill it

[dusk patrol]

It is weird though

The term itself

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Warband has negative connotations lol

[dusk patrol]

Like it’s the term I’d think would uh

[arctic talon]

Strike force

[dusk patrol]

Mean we’re actually serving some chaos dude

Something like that

But whatever

[arctic talon]

Lol

Grendyl might be a radical

Considering we’re collecting all those grimores for something

[dusk patrol]

I’d say he definitely is

But how radical is the question

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[dusk patrol]

The current tactics alone are enough to kinda strike him as a radical

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Also unsanctioned psykers

In their ranks

[dusk patrol]

Giving convicted prisoners valuable weapons

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[signal bramble]

Depends on who summoned the daemonhost.

[stuck kindle]

The Moebian domain is in the cicatrix maledictum. I think Morrow said the galaxy is in divided in two halves, the bad and the badder. My zealot then said that explains why they are in hell.

[dusk patrol]

As far as we’re aware it’s in Segmentum Solar

Based off a comment from one of the CMs and the Luetin video

It’s kinda near forgeworld Agrippina

But not in Obscurus

Near the border between sectors

[plush mason]

umm isnt that the name for the rift that ripped the galaxy in 2?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah, I don’t believe we really have much to indicate it’s in there

[plush mason]

yeah

[stuck kindle]

Really? Weird.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s kinda weird

Especially because you’d think a key sector in Solar of all places would be able to get support

[stuck kindle]

It's near agripinaa?

[dusk patrol]

But idk, I’d prefer it was in Obscurus or more in the corner

[plush mason]

iirc the traitors have cut off all communications out of the sector somehow and that is why we cant call for support

[dusk patrol]

Not like, super near

But it’s in that area near the border

Between Segmentums

At least based off the Leutin video and a Community managers comments

[stuck kindle]

All right. Maybe I heard wrong.

hmm okay, I see it.
#general-chat message

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think you hear wrong so much as the statement can be interpreted differently

[stuck kindle]

#general-chat message

Gimme that map

[stuck kindle]

I mean Hedge's map. The one they have internally

[plush mason]

wtf is that? some kind of abstract art?

[dusk patrol]

A map, not a great one

[plush mason]

no mean a horrid one

[sinful crater]

maybe it's the star we see near the warp area around agripinaa, what will explain the darktide situation

[plush mason]

tho at least terra is in the correct place

[stuck kindle]

But surely the mourningstar would have functional comms.

Perhaps a warp storm?

[plush mason]

maybe

[sinful crater]

the question is who grendel want to call for help

[plush mason]

likely the nearest forces they can

[stuck kindle]

Space mahreens. Darktide 2

[sinful crater]

we know space marine is out of the picture, and if i was grendel i will not call any guard regiment of the sector... too risky

[plush mason]

not really

having a full regiment of loyal guard would be a vast improvement over the current situation

[sinful crater]

that the point, who know how far the corruption did spread in the moebian army

[plush mason]

on they wont be calling no moebian forces

they are trying to call up aid from outside the moebian domain

[stuck kindle]

Who is that "armageddon feral hog" he is referring to in the tertium vox intercept 1?

[plush mason]

Marrow

also

im fairly sure that was Malk in the vox

[sinful crater]

we will know for sure tomorrow....well today for me hehe 3:34 am here

[plush mason]

we will?

[sinful crater]

they will tell us who call in the mission we get in the patch

[plush mason]

oh nice

[sinful crater]

personally i still think he will call the sororitas from the shrine world or at least tell them the situation while calling reinforcement from another sector... we must'nt forget travel can take long if it come from outside the sector.

[plush mason]

there are 2 shrine worlds in the moebian domain

and it doesnt seem like ether of them have a sister cloister on them

or at least not a militant cloister

[sinful crater]

that the thing before darktide did we had any info about what was in moebian sector?

[plush mason]

not that i know of

this whole sector was made for this game so there is no other lore about any of it

[sinful crater]

that the point, we can't rule out anything... assassin, sororitas or even tempestus scion.... we only know space marine will not appear... then we have not a lot of choice

[plush mason]

odds are we not gona be able to call for help

[sinful crater]

that too a possibility

[plush mason]

yeah there is a high likelihood that our attempts to get communications back up will fail

[sinful crater]

i think the communication out of the sector will be blocked and we will discover that the uprising did spread farer in the moebian guard...

anyway, at this point we can only guess shrugs let's wait and see

[stuck kindle]

I guess 1 is where the Moebian domain is.

"Outbreak Cadia – Gifts of the Destroyer Hive

Since the annihilation of Cadia, Typhus and the vectoriums of his 1st
Plague Company have repeatedly been sighted around the shattered Cadian
Gate. Striking at beleaguered Imperial worlds, they seed infestations of
the walking plague, overrunning the armies of the Imperium with tides of
groaning, shambling victims that leave only desolation in their wake."

[storm jungle]

Hadron more or so confirms that the astropathic communications are down, so nobody is coming.

[distant osprey]

This upcoming new mission gives me an idea

fatshark teases a great unclean one
even space marines have trouble with those
get commsplex working
call grey knights
get new mission where the rejects have to clear an area for the knights to teleport
escape before the scorched earth policy goes into effect

[stuck kindle]

That actually sounds pretty cool.

[distant osprey]

Either that or it’s gonna be like that one mission from vermintide 1 where you diddle with a bunch of stuff to eventually kill a great unclean one

[stuck kindle]

I do hope they have a grander, more compelling narrative to tell for the game. Actually, I have no idea what that looks like for a live service game.

[stuck kindle]

Robert girlyman comes in to personally save the rejects.

[plush mason]

lmao

[storm jungle]

god id rather die

PLEASE

[plush mason]

same

[plush mason]

why did a bunch of asteroids exit the warp portal when the morningstar entered the system?

[rustic spruce]

the game heralds the official return of Rogal Dorn as he comes to save us all

[plush mason]

that would be better

but not by much

[sinful crater]

honestly, i think we are good for a long war... we did try to call and no one from outside the sector can come, they can only call any loyalist troops of the sector... and that the point, we don't really know what it's inside the sector.

and as reject we have access to no realy important information about the sector or the states of the war at the frontier.

and another point that i wonder is...what it means for us to join the warband at level 30? i means before we was reject and we did build trust to level 30.... now that we are part of the warband, do we can progress into it? since i doubt we will nothing else than new recruit

[signal bramble]

Officially joining the inquisitor’s warband implies they’ll take us to other war zones and other areas of concern.

[sinful crater]

yes, but i'm wondering if we loose our status of reject

[brittle slate]

Probably. You do by level 20 effectively.

It’ll just be rule of cool

[ruby sparrow]

new missions going to get comms up

[ruby sparrow]

also, environmental details and runes also hint at plaguebearers

[brittle slate]

I bet you it ends up being a general plus up of nurgle forces

Maybe a boss battle type mission

Plague bearers

And then the first big addition will be GSC

[uneven temple]

There was a line about unconfirmed xenos sightings in the underhive during the closed beta

Ambient line on the mourningstar

[mystic geyser]

Hmm.

I can't really see GSC and nurgle working together (although OG gene cults could worship chaos, they've moved away from that.)

I wonder if they could implement Loxatyl... its one of Abnetts creations.. wall crawling enemies might be beyond the AI...

[dusk patrol]

Its in the Segmentum Solar is the issue

So it'd have to be lower.

[mystic geyser]

TIL the trapper is actually a GSC model

[atomic bough]

gentlemen, do you remember something about certain individual space marines being sent in civilian garb as advisors, or some such? maybe from death watch, not sure.

[rose coyote]

is the trapper a neophyte hybrid?

[celest dome]

Most likely not

Its just inspired by it

It's not tech that would be exclusive to the Genestealer cult

[rose coyote]

ok thanks

[spring stratus]

So according to the new Cain audio book Deathcorp guardsman all sound like bored Arnold Schwarzenegger and that is my headcannon now

[barren tapir]

Probably mentor legion

[barren locust]

what

new mission?

[celest dome]

The update that is supposed to come today is going to have a new mission with it

Set in Throneside and we have to protect a communication array or something

[sinful crater]

more retake it and try to send a signal from what they say

[solar canopy]

so its not actually going to be a proper "new" map ... bummers

[sinful crater]

soo far we get 3 mission per area, then technically we have still 2 mission in thorneside

[storm jungle]

Judging from some other maps most likely:

same area as throneside for the 1 or 2/3 of the map

3rd area is actually new + where the mission takes place lol

[sinful crater]

yeah that what i'm expecting too.

[storm jungle]

Yeah i was kinda dissapointed with that

like the uh, mission where you shut down the AA batteries in that trainyard

literally 2 halves of the mission is the reactor map

[sinful crater]

well it allows them to release mission faster and explore area more.

[storm jungle]

true true

[sinful crater]

i means even if we have the same place take the manufactorum, you have to restart the forge, repair the coolant system and attack the train... each part make a whole super interesting in the end.

like the different area of the torrent that allows us to see how the low level of the hive are quite....

now i can't wait to see some high class area haha

[rose thorn]

Any lore examples of someone who worships chaos and isn’t a cartoonishly evil?

I love my chaos but damn

Oh yeah cypher and Luther IG

[mystic geyser]

@rose thorn um. I mean I'd read black Legion. They are of course evil but they have motivatons.

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah I was planning to read that one

‘The word bearers poisoned the watering hole!’

[mystic geyser]

The novel 'Legion' has a chaos culture that isn't inherently evil. Or at least doesn't appear that way.

[rose thorn]

I know in AOS chaos isn’t space marine pov book levels evil

[mystic geyser]

Um. I mean, I haven't read much AOS, but they sure aren't the good guys.

[rose thorn]

Yeah they are pretty evil, but a lot of people literally don’t have a choice, born into it, or are a victim of their circumstances

And following chaos may not be the worst of outcomes lmao

‘Oh fuck our free city is about to be absolutely destroyed. We stand no chance but a stranger has offered us freedom and power to fend off the attacks. As long as we kill our enemies we will be strong’

[mystic geyser]

The Dark Oath don't seem too bad to be fair. There's an animation with them on WH+

That feeling when my character outschools me on lore... she knew there was an assault on the Lions Gate where 2000 custodes died... yep that checks out.

[rose thorn]

Lmao

oH 1k sons are in the lesser end of the evil end

Not much less

[mystic geyser]

Yeah.. well Ahriman is motivated by .."good" intentions.
But would deny he's a chaos worshipper.. haha

[rose thorn]

Way less evil then bile who Denys being a chaos worshipper lmao

[rose thorn]

I’m excited to see the new khorne characters lore, I hope they are cool and more abour honor in skill at arms then ‘GRRRGAAAAAAA BLOOD GRJAHSGAH’

[mystic geyser]

Lol good luck

[shut sparrow]

Alpha Legion are the true loyalist space marine

[celest dome]

Even in Fantasy and AoS Khorne was very one dimensional

Used to be less

But now it's very rage rage rage

[gusty sequoia]

did emperor have wife

[rose thorn]

Yeah lmao, idk much about fantasy but I believe in AOS they are slightly more religious about it

[mystic geyser]

@gusty sequoia no

At least, not ever documented .. he probably had many...

[rose thorn]

Funnily there’s a story about an imperial knight sparing a khrone knight because they were honorable in combat. And the khorne knight was ‘oh lmao thanks ig, i promise I will return for a better fight.’

[gusty sequoia]

i think he did and also had kids but she dont like him and hid kids i space i read that in lore videos

[mystic geyser]

Sounds like you are talking about Erda and the primarchs?

Erda wasn't his wife, but a Perpetual scientist who worked with him on the Primarch project..

But she was the 'mother' if he was the 'father' so I can see why its called a marriage

[plush mason]

yeah a lot of people make that mistake

even tho marriage is not and never has been necessary to be a parent kek

and in this instance the titles of mother and father are figurative

[full bane]

There is a good potential for Weave/Chaos Waste style treks through the level in the future with the way it works at least.

[gusty sequoia]

how many Primarchs lift in 42k

[celest dome]

Perturabo

Maybe Khan and Russ

Dorn most likely

So 4, maybe a bit more

[mystic geyser]

Huh?
Active with models. Guilliman, Mortarion, Angron , Magnus
Active without models,
Corax, Lorgar, Fulgrim, Perturabo
Missing, probably not dead. Lion, Khan, Russ, Vulkan,

Probably dead but not 100%
Dorn, Alpharius

Dead almost 100% Ferrus, Horus, Sanguinius, Curze

[celest dome]

Lift, not live

[mystic geyser]

I mean same answer they all lift.

😂

[barren tapir]

Lion is not dead for sure

He is napping withing the Rock

[mystic geyser]

Yeah just assumed dead by everyone. I can't keep up he might be out of the rock by now.

[celest dome]

MIA for the Dark Angels

[plush mason]

i still think Dorn is dead because, wtf has he been doing for the last 10k years if not

[mystic geyser]

Decorating Trazyns lobby

😂

[plush mason]

lol

[barren tapir]

Fortifying his position

[celest dome]

War of the Beast seem to imply that he is alive

iirc

[plush mason]

it did?

[barren tapir]

Vulkan said to Koorland that would speak well of the imperial fist to him

[celest dome]

Though it could also be a sort of Vulkan being able to talk to the dead when he is regenerating, like temporary death or something

[barren tapir]

While Konrad seems to confirm he has been butchered

[plush mason]

that could be interpreted as ether Dorn is alive or Vulkan was talking about talking to Dorn's soul

[barren tapir]

This is a great theory mate

Although i doubt hat Dorn soul wouldn't be torn to pieces the moment it enter the warp lol

[plush mason]

by what?

[barren tapir]

Chaos entities

[celest dome]

Was that before or after the Skeleton being changed to a fist

[plush mason]

if Fulgrim's soul wasnt destroyed after the daemon replaced it then i doubt Dorn's or any primarch's soul can be

[celest dome]

In theory it's just for weak souls

In theory

At least

[barren tapir]

After i think

[plush mason]

and a primarch soul is far from weak

[celest dome]

Wasn't Fulgrim's soul in a sword and not the Warp ?

[plush mason]

then how did it get in the clone?

[mystic geyser]

No.. he's a daemon Prince

The clone had its own soul.. it ... doesn't really make sense.

[celest dome]

Wasn't Clonegrim after Fulgrim took back control of his own body ?

[plush mason]

"it doesnt really make sense" is true for a lot of 40k lore frustratingly

[lusty igloo]

but it's cool sometimes

[native wharf]

"Unreliable narrations" is code for "we're making it up as we go and care little for consistency."

[plush mason]

yup

[native wharf]

Best to just use 1d4chan and TTS as lore sources since they never stopped treating 40k like the sick joke it began as.

[celest dome]

I mean, 40k lore is written by a lot of people, and the lore stretch back what, 30+ years or something ?

[native wharf]

Yep.

Even Battletech was more consistent.

[plush mason]

valid point

[celest dome]

It's monumental, not in the same sense as Lord of the Ring, but still

[native wharf]

Like, that is 40k at it's core: A sick, twisted comedy of cosmic proportions.

Except the fact there's no happy ending, so it's no Greek comedy.

[plush mason]

and unlike LOTR which is treated as sacred and any major deviations viewed as arch heresy nothing is sacred in 40k's lore

[mystic geyser]

If they bring back Sanguinius I'll riot

Unless the model is sick..

[native wharf]

That's because Tolkien would only entrust certain folks.

[native wharf]

Doesn't he show up as a living saint?

[barren tapir]

Recently seems it is being approached with more care, even making a role that is kinda the lore custodian

[plush mason]

and his estate has maintained that stance to this day

[mystic geyser]

@native wharf no.. maybe... what the Sanguinor is idk

[native wharf]

Good. It's better than what the Clancy family let Ubisoft get away with.

[plush mason]

ye

[native wharf]

On the topic of lore, I'm... Not exactly a fan of the Votann.

I'd rather have had the squats lose their homeworld and be nomadic like they were in the prologue for The Hobbit.

Literally wandering around hunting anything tyranid out of the biggest grudge ever.

[mystic geyser]

Truth

[plush mason]

"all ubisoft offices are now 100% carbon emissions free as they are now powered purely by the spinning force of Tom Clancy's grave"

[barren tapir]

Not many seems to like them, i on the other hand are very happy about them, mostly because they make my fan made stuff more lore friendly, which is great when discussing it with neckbeards

[native wharf]

I also think primaris was... Overkill...

Like, yeah that's totally in line for 40k, but...

[barren tapir]

What i don't like about primaris is how they are just superior SM, SM were already overhyped for what they were, and now we even have stuff that is even better... On top of the fact of having more implants... Like, how many things can you stuff in a human body before it start not being very human anymore?

But i like their aesthetics

[mystic geyser]

An obvious fudge to revamp the model range. Would have preferred it as just new tech rather than "better marines"...

[barren tapir]

Yeah

[native wharf]

Oh yeah, I feel like Primaris should've just been the Cadians of the SM in that they're great supplementary forces without the genetic defects, but they also are pretty much basic bitch marines even compared to the smurfs.

[barren tapir]

Fully agree, i would have preferred a improved selection process and better living conditions for aspirants, with improved tech could bring them to the same size, but not just better marines

[native wharf]

Or the Spartan-IIIs and Spartan-IVs from Halo. Yes, they have less defects, but selection isn't as strict and they're just there to prevent the chapters from imploding.

[native wharf]

I'd say the downside leading to their basicness should be that even just above and beyond guardsmen are getting press-ganged into it.

[barren tapir]

BTW, improving quality of life for people is a main point that big G is pushing

[plush mason]

tbf "improved quality of living" runs directly axiom to the theme of the 40k setting

[native wharf]

Basically selection is less cultural and more about "can they fight good."

[native wharf]

Space Marines live well, all things considered.

[barren tapir]

This how it was btw, no matter your culture, if you are a good fighter you are in, with some exceptions, like the space wolves

[native wharf]

I meant how each chapter has its own processes and stuff.

[plush mason]

SM live in the 2nd ring of hell while most people live in the 4th. "living well" dont mean shit in 40k

[barren tapir]

Improved quality of life can still be shit, but maybe not so shit to want to join chaos because it let you be better

[native wharf]

Primaris is basically like the Phase 2 clone troopers to the Space Marine's Phase 1s.

Eh, bad example.

[plush mason]

yeah

[native wharf]

Primaris should be versatile, but unable to hyper specialize.

[barren tapir]

Ironic... Since they are the inverse of this lol

They are hyper specialized, but not as versatile as firstborn

[native wharf]

You can't just throw in a bunch of assault primaris with jump packs with some White Scars or Raven Guard... They need to be able to fill tactical gaps in the chapter.

I'm saying how it should be.

They shouldn't be BETTER marines, they should be EMERGENCY marines.

[plush mason]

isnt that due to them following pre heresy SM legion equipment doctrines?

[native wharf]

I'm saying that primaris should be using complementary tactics to their assigned chapters' battle doctrines.

[barren tapir]

Yes and no, the first batch was made with some recruits from that time, but the new ones made by chapters shouldn't have the same limitations, but they do anyway

[native wharf]

The Raven Guard like being sneaky? Use Primaris as the diversions with big and loud weapons..

[barren tapir]

Of course much is also because mins sells

[native wharf]

Imperial Fists are the shield? Let their new Primaris be the sword.

I say this because it would line up with how Guilliman would probably see each chapter lacking in.

[barren tapir]

This would be countering the main point of raven guard, they are sneaky not big booms, and adding something that go against such trait wouldn't work

[native wharf]

Which would give more valid reasons for older generation marines to be distrusting and apprehensive about their new kin.

Not just "hurr durr not true marines" shit.

Literally escalate it into "WHAT THE FUCK ARE WE SUPPOSED TO DO WITH THESE?!"

[barren tapir]

That happened tbh

Some chapters didn't knew how to utilise them because of the hyper specialisation that Primaris had

[native wharf]

I'm saying if we revised the Primaris to be patches and plugs for the tactical holes in chapter doctrines.

[barren tapir]

I cannot agree on that

[native wharf]

Good start on writers' parts then.

[native wharf]

But it would make it more sensible for some detachments within a chapter to openly refuse allowing primaris into their ranks, while others could be more lenient.

The Indomitus Crusade would be even LESS Mary Sue than it is.

[barren tapir]

Disagree, the sect that disagreed with them had their reasons, which weren't that awful

Like dark angels not liking them because they were outcast forced upon them, not selected by them

[native wharf]

Oh.

[rose thorn]

The real question is, which primarchs are married

[native wharf]

Still, they shouldn't be straight-up BETTER marines.

[barren tapir]

Or black templars because they weren't made by big E directly and also weren't as fanatically religious as them initially

[barren tapir]

On this i can totally agree

[rose thorn]

Oop that just sent now wtf

[native wharf]

They should be compliments to a chapter doctrine that do the necessary stuff they're not as good at.

[barren tapir]

Some, Dorn is know to have been married iirc, and Fulgrim had an entire harem iirc too...

[rose thorn]

Fulgrim is so progressive

✨

[barren tapir]

Then all chapters would become the same, nah, better that the chapters keep their unique ways and failings, it also help with not letting anyone being the best in everything, which is a part that the imperium like to do, so to make rebellions less dangerous

[rose thorn]

Yeah dorn feels like the primarch to actually marry

‘Wife, I must build.’

[barren tapir]

IIRC he stopped after some time because he couldn't keep losing the ones that he got attached to

[rose thorn]

Lmao yeah

[native wharf]

But this is Guilliman and Cawl at the helm. They already think the Imperium is a mess that needs an overhaul.

[rose thorn]

Makes sense

[barren tapir]

You know that it was Guillman who divided the chapters and the imperial army from the imperial navy? It was Guillman that devised such divisions

[native wharf]

Oh yeah.

Still, 'ate Primaris (Not racist, just don't like 'em).

[rose thorn]

I think the beginning of introducing primaris was

Dog shit

[barren tapir]

Now, it is fair point yours that big G want to change stuff, he is changing the codex astartes after all, and also regretted dividing the realm of ultramar, but he doesn't want to change everything he did

[rose thorn]

But now it’s fine

[native wharf]

Then again, I kinda like the Reasonable Marines meme chapter 1d4chan made up, so my opinion to the die-hard fans is moot.

[barren tapir]

We have reasonable marines in lore too...
They are called raptors chapter

There are also some based chapters that know that the imperium is shit

[native wharf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpzICc2E57Q

[rose thorn]

Yeah raven guard in general pop off

[native wharf]

Pretty sure this attack was the Raptors.

[rose thorn]

And all their successor

[native wharf]

I seem to have murdered the chat...

Point is, the Reasonable Marines are kinda explicit on avoiding excessive force. Like, they'd have likely detained the witnesses and, at the most grimdark, tried to wipe memory of the event depicted.

Oh, and EMP'd the shit out of their mechs for reverse-engineering purposes. Waste not when the Emperor's coffers are never truly infinite and stuff.

God I can hear the fandom screeching as I type this lol

[celest dome]

Reasonable Marine don't really interest me because if they were really reasonable they would do combined armies

[barren tapir]

Even for xenos?

[celest dome]

And not full SM

[barren tapir]

Also yes, it can really be the raptors in that game

[native wharf]

Of course. All deserve to be assets of the Emperor.

[rose thorn]

Lmao that gave me flashbacks to AOS

[native wharf]

They're dealing with a Farsight-level or being royally screwed though.

Like, the Inquisition wants these guys DEAD.

[sinful crater]

reasonable and warhammer 40.000...

[gray sparrow]

how strong is the silent king?

[celest dome]

As a named character, high Plot armour, but not as much Plot armour as a Named Space Marine Sergeant

[plush mason]

lol

[storm jungle]

Pretty much Emperor-tier

but as Cacti said the moment a named Marine comes along hes probably fucked

https://tenor.com/view/plot-armor-plot-armor-surprise-plot-armor-too-strong-gif-24937127

[wintry junco]

So what’s the power level/assignment of our psykers in-game

[dusk patrol]

So far the Silent King has just been rolftstomping his way across the Pariah Nexus

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know

[wintry junco]

I see

[dusk patrol]

I would say way above average but still not that powerful

[plush mason]

one YT video put them at like low alpha

so like strong but not god tier strong

[wintry junco]

I would imagine we were at iota or epsilon level

Aren’t most imperius psykers around iota

[plush mason]

idfk

[wintry junco]

k dude chill

[plush mason]

?

[wintry junco]

sorry i dont fucking know came off aggro

[plush mason]

ah it wasnt. i just cuss like a drunk sailor so i tend to do so in text too lol

[wintry junco]

no prob no prob

Are enforcers like planetary police? Still trying to get a hang of 40k lore

[plush mason]

on that topic. anyone else been using "karking" irl?

[wintry junco]

omg me lmao

[plush mason]

yes

[wintry junco]

after cyberpunk i started using “preem”

[mystic geyser]

@wintry junco yes enforcers are planetary police.

Varying wildly depending on the planet of course.

Arbites are responsible for imperial law, whereas enforcers are in charge of planetary lore

[plush mason]

sadly we have no official depictions of them afaik

[mystic geyser]

The necromunda enforcers are very fleshed out

And there were enforcers in the 54mm inquisitor game

[plush mason]

oh yeah the lore is well fleshed out but we dont know what kind of kit they have

or at least i havent been able to find any info on that

[wintry junco]

Im also curious about who the “cartel” is on Tertium

[celest dome]

Enforcer are everything from Beatcops to planetary cops, higher than that is usually Arbites

[mystic geyser]

@plush mason check out the necromunda models

[wintry junco]

I see. So savant psyker was used as a k9 by the cops then got turned in when they lost usefulness

cool backstory tbh makes me want to see 40k: Columbo

[plush mason]

water is hard to get in a hive so ofc there is a big black market for it so ofc there is a cartel that controls said market

there is a water cartel on necromunda as well

stands to reason there is one in just about every hivecity

[celest dome]

They are a Guild, not a cartel

[plush mason]

same thing different name kek

[celest dome]

We did not buy our Guild contract to be called a cartel

[mystic geyser]

Potato potato

The guilds basically work like cartels.

But pay off Helmawr

[plush mason]

tbf the guilds have to. the underhive is not a place of law

btw the 2 guilds i know of in necromunda are the traders and water. what other guilds are there?

[barren tapir]

Yup, local police force

[zinc egret]

Got a question, what does the number on the veterans shoulder plate denote?

[plush mason]

normally thats the regiment number

[zinc egret]

Ah regiment number got it

[plush mason]

idk what it means here tho

maybe its their old regiment number

[barren tapir]

Electricity, fire, corpses, lot more

[zinc egret]

Its safe to assume they got guards from all over to join the warband, so theres a variety of different numbers?

[plush mason]

so there is a guild for everything. got it

[barren tapir]

Pretty much yeah

[celest dome]

Slavers, Energy Guild and one for food iirv

[mystic geyser]

And a lot of them have a model range now. They are Wild

[celest dome]

I think the food one is bankrolling the Nomads iirc

[celest dome]

Just Slaver and Water iirc

[mystic geyser]

Corpse guild has been previewed too

I though there were more.. hmm

[wintry junco]

Then who are the “cartel” referenced by Zola in the waterworks mission

[celest dome]

Corpse guild or Corpse Grinder cult

[mystic geyser]

@wintry junco local criminals

[celest dome]

Cartel on Tertium, Guild on Necromunda

[plush mason]

so where do the traders guild fall in the supply chain? are they the ones that sell the other guild's goods to the gangers and what not in the underhive?

[mystic geyser]

Taxing trade routes mainly iirc

[celest dome]

Maintenance too

[plush mason]

ok so they keep the supply lines moving

[mystic geyser]

There'll be a load of lore on them, just need to find the right necromunda supplement... and there are lots

[gusty sequoia]

Is there space marine chef and what they eat

[plush mason]

btw. some of the poxwalkers have purple tunics on, those are fallen water cartel members

[celest dome]

Purple tunics are enforcer I think

[plush mason]

nah because the water cartel have purple banners

[celest dome]

https://imgur.com/a/FJAhzcQ

[plush mason]

remember the cartel had forced the enforces out long before the cult came in

so all of that is cartel

zola talks about it

[barren tapir]

IIRC there are somewhere some dead enforcers bodies, and they seems to wear all black uniforms

[mystic geyser]

Now this is the deep lore stuff we need to focus on 👌

[dusk patrol]

Just to be clear it can vary a lot per world too

But for Necromunda and some hive worlds like the ones featured in the Crime novels we know a lot more

[ruby sparrow]

Might ve getting a custodes assault squad for christmas

[wintry junco]

Ooooh that’s sick

[chrome tendon]

Anybody want a piece?

[plush mason]

yum

love me some rat burgers

[barren tapir]

AH! Finally a good meal! At least for the majority of people in the lower part of the hive

[mystic geyser]

Better than corpse starch

[barren tapir]

Hol on

Corpse starch

Lol, they have expanded the words for historitor reaction lol

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/ratburger-rat-demolitionman-sandra-bullock-sylvester-stallone-gif-24799478

[barren tapir]

Forgot how good Sandra Bullock looked in that film

[plush mason]

that movie was weird but good

[barren tapir]

Loved the scenes about knitting

[plush mason]

yeah

"we need to defrost of one of the greatest cops in history to beat this new threat, but be sure to give him the skills of a seamstress during the process"

[barren tapir]

Well, tbf he wasn't meant to be defrosted for fighting his nemesis, he was meant to be defrosted and then re included in society not even as cop

[plush mason]

ah right

[noble hinge]

https://youtube.com/shorts/o1XoVpKU_1I?feature=share

is true?

how can they operate idividually

what if they encounter the psykers of astartes?

the marines won because they kept suppressing fire on them

[plush mason]

there is a line from one of the heresy books that describes it perfectly "the space marines are more like a wolf pack. working together to overcome their foes where as the custodies are more like a pack of lions. each one a force of nature onto themselves"

[worn pagoda]

Easily the worst part of any of the maps is all the primaris statues in the church.

[spark relic]

Custodes are unreal, the writers gave them 90% of the plot armour and the remaining 10% to the Ultra Marines and various named characters

[noble hinge]

ah ok make sense

[spark relic]

They are insane lore wise

[signal bramble]

The custodes were each individually hand crafted to be a super-er soldier individually. Astartes were designed to function as a group.

[worn pagoda]

The Custodes have 100% plot armor.
The Compensation Marines have favoritism.

[plush mason]

also that line was far from a direct quote from the book just fyi

[spark relic]

Astartes are (in very basic terms) mass produced, low quality Custodes

[signal bramble]

In Gate of Bones a single custodes takes out 2-3 chaos marines and catches them as they fall to stop any noise in a matter of a few seconds.

[worn pagoda]

Which should scare you. Considering how hard it is to become Astartes.

[signal bramble]

Also according to that same book, the custodes time themselves and attempt to speed run every group of enemies they encounter.

[noble hinge]

I still dont understand how

[signal bramble]

Timer in the helmet.

[noble hinge]

are they psykers? is their armor better? what do they have? 3 hearts? 10 feet tall?

[signal bramble]

Psykers no. Better armor and weapons? Definitely.

[worn pagoda]

The Grey Knights are all Psykers.

[plush mason]

also yes they are 10 feet tall iirc

[rustic spruce]

A custodes is genetically modified instead of going through geneseed

[spark relic]

Custodes also kidnap chaos marines and let them loose in unused areas of the Imperial Palace just to have some fun and to train

[worn pagoda]

But fuck the Grey Knights. They really had to make cool ass looking marines have dumb ass lore.

[signal bramble]

Also, in the codex it states that the custodes are each hand crafted individually from birth until each one is perfect. Any errors or mistakes and the subject is discarded.

[noble hinge]

So custodes is an updated space marine?

[spark relic]

SILVER WIZARD KNIGHT SUPER SOLDIERS

Love it

[signal bramble]

Technically the custodes came first.

[noble hinge]

like spartans

[plush mason]

grey knight armor is cash money. their lore is meh at best, hot garbage at worst.

[spark relic]

Kind of, but unimaginably more extreme

[dusk patrol]

Eh Grey Knight lore isn’t any worse than a lot of factions

[plush mason]

true

[dusk patrol]

They have interesting stuff, people just amplify the worst

[worn pagoda]

Yeah yeah we get it.

You love the salty taste of GW's cock

[plush mason]

also just like a lot of the factions lol

[worn pagoda]

You should be terrified that the Astartes are the mass-produced ones considering most people don't survive the journey to the scouts, and then most of the scouts don't survive to become marines. You need to be a flawless human first. No mutations, pass the DNA screenings, go through the oracles, then get shipped off to spend years being pushed through physical AND psychological training. By the end of it you are peak human and utterly brainwashed into the service of the Emperor.

During this process, and often in different orders different depending on chapter, you receive specific organs and augmentations. By the end you're basically a marine but without the armor. If you survive your time in the scouts you become a marine.

[dusk patrol]

I mean more I just don’t get my lore from memes and 1d4chan

[worn pagoda]

Some chapters do shit ass-backwards./

I like the Exorcists. Even if their lore intersects a lot with the Grey Knights.

[plush mason]

like the space wolves

[signal bramble]

So yeah, the custodes are handcrafted biologically using super secret bio alchemy each done by scientists that are themselves gene enhanced and augmented so that their work is the bestest ever.

And all their gear is the bestest ever made by the finest artisans in the imperium.

[worn pagoda]

Which chapter is it where the scout trial is carrying a massive 300 kilo block of ice to the temple without it melting and without being eaten by the super-mega-fuck-off polar bears?

[dusk patrol]

Like Custodes could be shit but they have some of the most consistently good books and writing of most factions

[signal bramble]

I play custodes as one of my armies on tabletop, they’re great. Haha.

[spark relic]

Sounds like something the Space Wolves would do but they have something else

[worn pagoda]

Good luck surviving the Blood Angels.

They give you all your organs at once.

Then you go into a coma and are left in a blood tank for a year.

[plush mason]

got to love going to a 2k point game and bringing all of like 20 units lmao

[worn pagoda]

Some people aren't considering that this is happening to children.

[signal bramble]

Yup. Super cheap and easy to collect to.

[spark relic]

SW just throw you into the galaxys most dangerous forest and say "have fun and don't come back until you've killed an apex predator with your bare hands!"

[worn pagoda]

You grab a 12 year old with absolutely no birth defects, shove 20 organs inside them, then leave them in a vat of blood for a year. That's the Blood Angels.

[last lagoon]

Arent BA applicants mostly mutants that are "purified" by Sangs blood

[plush mason]

yeah if i could actually paint they would likely be my starting army given how small and cheap they can be next to my beloved nids and guard

[worn pagoda]

The Exorcists have several scout companies because of the turnover rate. You get absorbed in, are screened by DNA readers and oracles. Then you go through an arguably fairly average training process before being given your organs and augmentations. Then the fuckshit begins.

They sit you in a room. On either side are psykers, and in the room is one Daemon Hunter.

Then they summon a Daemon to possess you for 12 hours.

[spark relic]

BE POSSESSED BY A DAEMON

[dusk patrol]

They have two I believe but yeah they have atrocious failure rate for the final test

Like 1/10 make it

[signal bramble]

I couldn’t paint either. It’s just a skill like any other you have to develop.

[worn pagoda]

If you survive the Daemon it is expunged by the Daemon Hunter or, in rare cases, excised by you if you're particularly strong.

[plush mason]

hands shake to bad due to meds sadly

[last lagoon]

If you just want a quicker way, metallic gold spray can and a shade is a great way

[last lagoon]

Only thing is custodes has some small features that can be tough for shaky hands

Like gems

[worn pagoda]

Assuming you survived this with your sanity you are given your scout gear and mailed to a planet lying around the Eye of Terror where you will fight Daemons under the watchful eyes of a squad of Grey Knights. If you survive the daemons, and escape possession followed by your inevitable death at the hands of the grey Knights. You are returned to the chapter and become a marine. Get your Black Carapace and your armor.

The best part of this process of having an Exorcist Aspirant possessed by a daemon before having the daemon exorcised is that it makes them completely invisible to daemons.

For this reason Exorcists are particularly resistant to corruption.

[spark relic]

Their homeworld is literally called Banish

What a bunch of lads

[worn pagoda]

Lol they're such an acid trip

Unironically my favorite chapter.

Even if they're about as related to Ordo Xenos as the Steel Confessors are the Cult of Mars.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah they basically put their soul in a clone body on the exorcist planet or station or whatever

[worn pagoda]

What?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

It’s a mini clone they make of them

It’s expanded on in Shadowbreaker

Which has a Exorcist character who you get POV of

[worn pagoda]

Sometimes if the aspirant dies during the possession they keep the possessed corpse and recycle the daemon into the next aspirant.

[dusk patrol]

It’s how they “hide” their soul

It’s just somewhere else

And when they die the daemon they resisted can find them so it’s Grimdark

[spark relic]

They have two additional scout companies as well, to cope with the very high rates of attrition

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

They’re basically one giant Inquisition project

After one of their original chapter masters was possessed and exorcised it from himself

[worn pagoda]

I decided to make an Exorcist in a Death Watch game.

[dusk patrol]

And then an Inquisitor did

[worn pagoda]

I decided to make an Exorcist Librarian in a Death Watch game.

[dusk patrol]

I’m not even sure they can have librarians tbh

But it’s a cool idea

[worn pagoda]

They...

[arctic talon]

I feel like they would

[dusk patrol]

Either way it’s not like clear either way so who cares

[arctic talon]

lol true

[worn pagoda]

They literally have an entire subfaction called the cult of the tower dedicated to their librarians

[dusk patrol]

The weird thing though is how their souls work but like

Who cares

I just wish they were expanded on more with the DW rpg

I hate having to homebrew rules

Especially for something like the exorcists, idk how you’d balance that

[rustic spruce]

So what did big e do in godblight

[worn pagoda]

Only Exorcist Veterans are allowed to join the Cult of the Tower without also being Librarians.

[dusk patrol]

Posssessed Guilliman

Burned Nurgles front garden a bit

Monologued

Made some people mald

[worn pagoda]

Though the Cult of the Tower's first thing is accumulating lore on daemons and psychic powers. The Cult of the Tower has one of the most complete libraries on the occult in the known galaxy. Bar a few specific examples.

And you NEED to be a Librarian to even be considered.

[dusk patrol]

Is this from their semi-recent supplement thing

Which confirmed they were IF geneseed

It’s been awhile since I read it, I just know Shadowbreaker and that recent supplement thing confirmed a lot of details for them

Some of which were uh

Dumb

Purgatomb

Oh god why GW

[worn pagoda]

One of my favorite typos is in the Death Watch rules.

[plush mason]

wtf is a purgatomb?

[worn pagoda]

They accidentally implied the Carcharodons were an Ultramarines successor.

[dusk patrol]

So uh

When aspirants fail they get used to bind daemons to them

And they put them in the Purgatomb

Which is a secret little base

And other stuff too

[worn pagoda]

The book said the Carcharodons are a successor to the Eagle Warriors, who are successors to the Marines Errant, who are successors to the Ultra Marines.

[dusk patrol]

The concept isn’t awful

But the name is just

Why

[plush mason]

"to the purgatomb with him!"

[dusk patrol]

Yeah the FFG stuff has a lot of funny stuff like that

At least they’re all but confirmed to be Raven Guard now

But back then a lot of the chapters were underdeveloped

Exorcists were the same way

In the like, quarter of a page blurb they get

[plush mason]

someone thought they where being clever when they really wherent

[dusk patrol]

Someone was

[rustic spruce]

So is the geneseed process the same for chaos marines or has that been changed by warp fuckery

[signal bramble]

Chaos marines geneseed has been rendered useless in most cases.

I say “most” because the alpha legion has been managing just fine but they’re the super secret ones anyway so they probably figured out some weird nonsense to make it work.

[dusk patrol]

They steal it a lot of times

[signal bramble]

But for all the others they have to steal geneseed.

[dusk patrol]

Ironically, most CSM who are newer are probably Imperial Fist, Dark Angel, or Ultramarines

[signal bramble]

Though the lore of the plague surgeon makes it clear they corrupt the stolen geneseed to create a specific nurgle brand.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

It varies by legion too

Word Bearers still make proper Word Bearers I believe

[signal bramble]

I think they probably corrupt the stolen geneseed as well in some way.

[dusk patrol]

But for the bog standard CSM without a legion, a lot are just loyalist geneseed which is stolen

Emperor’s Children and Deathguard have no way to get more of their line basically

Tsons also I don’t think can get any more

[signal bramble]

Yeah. Though the DG have created their own version with the blessings of the Grandfather.

And the Tsons only elevate psykers so I assume they have some weird tzeentch sorcery thing.

For nurgle and tzeentch, biological stuff and transformation is well within their wheelhouse.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s a lot of chaos shit which goes into it where it doesn’t matter really

[barren tapir]

They don't reside in the eye of terror, that is why they aren't as mutated as the others

[arctic talon]

Some do

Most don’t

[signal bramble]

The AL are probably the only traitor geneseed which doesn’t have a bunch of chaos corruption in it.

[arctic talon]

But the alpha legion is prolly the most varried legion

[worn pagoda]

The best part is that depending on the marine, some Chaos Marines are still around from the heresy.

[signal bramble]

Note I say “probably.”

[arctic talon]

In terms of like gene stability

[worn pagoda]

I kinda wanna make another Cacophoni.

[arctic talon]

Very loyal

[magic iron]

is there any lore behind the reason why the female hairstyles suck? lol

[arctic talon]

No

[worn pagoda]

Other than they're a prisoner?

[signal bramble]

Probably because it’s the same haircuts as the men (mostly) and easier to program. Also so they can sell us more hairstyles later.

[worn pagoda]

You do your hair in a prison cell, or on an inquisitor's ship when you risk your life daily for ration cards.

[barren tapir]

In the grim darkness of the far future there are not hairdresser

[signal bramble]

(And if you don’t think they’ll eventually sell us hairstyles I admire your naivety.)

[arctic talon]

We have the “barber” chiurgon

[barren tapir]

Everyone is too busy praying or screaming "for the emperor"

[magic iron]

This would almost be a good answer if their wasn't the beautifully faded haircut lol

[arctic talon]

The guy is prolly a better chiurgon then barber

Tbh

[signal bramble]

I assure you the white hair and cute hair cuts on the Sisters of Battle is of crucial tactical importance.

[worn pagoda]

A friend asked me if female Astartes were possible.

Technically I think they would be. But Geneseeds are so specific that you'd probably need a female primarch to exist, and even then you could only have women in any chapter descending from her.

[arctic talon]

Mfw they usually wear helmets in battle

Why does almost every codex show then helmetless

[signal bramble]

Oh please don’t start that conversation, it never ends well.

[worn pagoda]

But we already have better

[barren tapir]

You nearly convinced me, but you forgot to mention the necessity of the small fleur de lys tatoo under one eye, so your point is now moot

[signal bramble]

Crucial tactical importance like I said.

I wouldn’t mind their godwyn Diaz pattern bolters though.

[dusk patrol]

It’s there to distract the heretics

[storm jungle]

It's entirely possible but the lore says no due to miniature reasons.

40K lore is meaningless and is entirely editable at any given time under GW's wants and needs.

[worn pagoda]

Big titty marines when?

[arctic talon]

Blood angels

[storm jungle]

Until GW wants to make more money

so for now never

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

Have you seen the nipple armor

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/heresy-detected-no-heresy-no-nope-gif-25531410

[dusk patrol]

This is why we no have female marines

[signal bramble]

Fabius Bile has apparently created his own female versions and even wonders why the emperor ignored half the population.

[dusk patrol]

If anyone asks

[worn pagoda]

You say never like this isn't exactly wtf Primaris is.

[arctic talon]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/bc/Brother_Donotriel.png/revision/latest?cb=20141231000442

[storm jungle]

Beats me dude

[arctic talon]

Behold big titty marine

[worn pagoda]

A cash grab with slightly altered minis

[dusk patrol]

Fabius is also kinda a jackass whose stuck up his own butt tbh

[signal bramble]

Doesn’t mean he can’t make good points.

[arctic talon]

Biles can reproduce with each other, big E didn’t want super humans doing that

[arctic talon]

I’d say they’re very different in a lot of ways

But eh

[dusk patrol]

Bile missing the point of a lot of things is a common thing for him

[arctic talon]

I don’t really play marines

[dusk patrol]

Also Bile missing the forest for the tree

[worn pagoda]

Malcador once joked at the Emperor that the primarchs would fight less if they were daughters and not sons.

[dusk patrol]

Proving Malcador never spent any time with women

[plush mason]

Bile the only man that can claim to be so sane he is insane

[storm jungle]

^

[worn pagoda]

Indeed

[barren tapir]

OOOF

[arctic talon]

Lol

[barren tapir]

Poor Malcador

[arctic talon]

It’s true

[dusk patrol]

Like, the idea that sisters would somehow be less toxic to one another

[arctic talon]

[dusk patrol]

I love my sister

But like

No

[plush mason]

siblings always fight no matter the sex

[dusk patrol]

She was mean af when we were younger

Which is a sibling thing of course but yeah I always find that point funny

[plush mason]

mine tried to kill me on more than one occasion and so did my brother, and i them

[dusk patrol]

Tbf, it is mostly said as a half joke by Malcador

[worn pagoda]

Absolute power corrupts. Most of the primarchs argued over their own literally-inflated egos.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[worn pagoda]

Why do you think the birds and wolves have to duel every time they meet?

[dusk patrol]

Well at least it’s mostly a fun thing

“Fun”

Typically no one dies….

[worn pagoda]

My friend in VC says it would've been more accurate to say "Lions and Wolves"

[signal bramble]

I think it would have been different if the primarchs were raised as intended. As siblings with big E maintaining the balance.

[dusk patrol]

I love the scene where a space wolf challenges the Dark Angels main legion and the Lion accepts just to end it immediately cause he’s annoyed

[barren tapir]

Your friend is right

[worn pagoda]

I will amend it then

The gays and the furries must duel every time they meet.

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there’s a lot of theories of their intended roles

Like Angron being the one who was meant to hold them together

Ironically

[worn pagoda]

To be fair big E showed his true colors in his last discussing with Girlyman.

[signal bramble]

They were meant to have strengths and weaknesses to complement and contrast each other with big E keeping them in check.

[worn pagoda]

The Primarchs were never sons.

They were tools. A means to the Imperium's rise.

[dusk patrol]

That’s a very different Big E than the one during the GC

He’s literally like, beyond it all

Fractured

He doesn’t have a consistent depiction

[barren tapir]

Ah, yes, the one that refer to angron as his number not name and that call it a broken tool, but still a usable tool

[dusk patrol]

It’s hard to say what he thought for real if there is one

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but that’s when he’s talking to Land

[barren tapir]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

He explicitly changes based off who he’s talking to

[barren tapir]

But the point remain that he never saw them are his sons

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know that really

Sometimes he comes across as cold

Other times he’s not at all

He definitely uses everyone

[barren tapir]

When he talk to land he even mention that he let the primarchs call him father because of the tale of Pinocchio

[dusk patrol]

But it doesn’t mean he doesn’t care

[dusk patrol]

Yes but he’s explicitly appealing to Lands sensibilities

He changes multiple times in the same book

There’s comments from Malcador and I think other Perpetuals about how he started calling them sons and stuff later on

[rustic spruce]

I imagine he held some measure of love for them or else he would have ended horus’ existence the moment the fight started