40k-lore-chat

[scenic sun]

they work closely together, both rock up in golden armour and fuck shit up

[rustic spruce]

Gotta pump up them plastic sales

[storm jungle]

Yeah people really forget Minis come first before the narrative

[scenic sun]

i mean, can you really tell if it's a male or a female under that golden armour?

i don't get that

[storm jungle]

You can when they take off the helmet

[scenic sun]

Minis usually don't take their helmet off

[rustic spruce]

I feel like gw could make serious money with a video game version of the tabletop

[storm jungle]

Literally every mini in 40k takes their helmet off

[scenic sun]

it's a one purchase, false

[rich sail]

battlesector prob closest to tabletop

[dusk patrol]

They’re so genetically modified it doesn’t really matter if they were a boy or girl originally is one take, but they all present as male currently.

[scenic sun]

their helmet IS their head

[rustic spruce]

Just sell a shit ton on palettes like warframe does

[storm jungle]

Thats space marines

[dusk patrol]

Valerian model is uh

Yeah he’s best with the helmet on

[rustic spruce]

Gotta love the old abaddon models

[dusk patrol]

It’s not great

Aleya looks nice though

[rustic spruce]

Ol armless fella

[dusk patrol]

Perpetually angry

[storm jungle]

But yeah the hormone excuse would like, never ever be applied to miniatures.

People want diversity in their minis usually, its why GW has been really changing gears about it

now can GW do good female heads?

uhhhh

...sometimes

[rustic spruce]

Are any of the necron lords female, barring the whole skeleton thing

[storm jungle]

Yeah they are

[dusk patrol]

There’s one model

The uh, the newer one

[storm jungle]

Necrons dont attain feminine futures though

[dusk patrol]

Well some do

[storm jungle]

unless you give them like idk, the praetorian hips

which are uh

[dusk patrol]

We just don’t have art

[storm jungle]

wide

[storm jungle]

Also correct

[dusk patrol]

But there is a model for one

[rustic spruce]

Give em boob ribs ez

[dusk patrol]

It’s the newer ones

[storm jungle]

You sure?

pretty sure there is none

[dusk patrol]

This one

[rustic spruce]

That chin tho

[dusk patrol]

The silver chin

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure thats a man

[dusk patrol]

There’s a character tied to the model

[storm jungle]

OH WAIT ITS THE PLASMANCER

[dusk patrol]

It can obviously just be a normal plasmancer

But it’s also tied to the character

[storm jungle]

Woman.

[dusk patrol]

Yeee

[rustic spruce]

Man if my immortal skeleton body only came with one eye i’d feel like i got ripped off

[storm jungle]

if it makes you feel better

[dusk patrol]

It’s a really dope eye

[storm jungle]

higher ranking necrons can shape their necrodermis

so you arent really too limited

[dusk patrol]

Still no depth perception though smh

[rustic spruce]

It that why so many of em turn themselves into tanks

[dusk patrol]

But no those eyes are dope, Orikan can see shit we could never hope to

[storm jungle]

because plot

[dusk patrol]

They’re also vain

[storm jungle]

also yeah its a good use of the egyptian aesthetics/chin-decor

[dull horizon]

Just make a necron with a bra draped on it, like Shriek from Skeleton Warriors

[rustic spruce]

Oh my

[dusk patrol]

A lot of their look is based in old Necrotyr culture

[storm jungle]

Yeeee

[rustic spruce]

I feel like i hardly ever see a necron with a khopesh

[storm jungle]

theres a lot actually

tho uh

Thousand Sons are known to use khopeshes more

might be a faction-aesthetic rule

[dusk patrol]

With a proper model

[rustic spruce]

Damn the egyptians ripped off the egyptians

[dusk patrol]

They already have the Khalida for Tomb Kings, I think it’s just a matter of time before we get a Necron female Lord character

[storm jungle]

Definitely yeah

[dusk patrol]

Probably whenever they get around to updating the old lords

[storm jungle]

GW has been super progressive about gender-balance in minis lately

[dull horizon]

Tomb kings in space does kind of clash with space monks cribbing egypt

[dusk patrol]

Trayzn and Imotekh desperately need it

[storm jungle]

we already got Agatha Creed

https://tenor.com/view/trunchbull-thripp-amanda-amanda-thripp-matilda-gif-5697221

[rustic spruce]

Balthasar’s a fun character in fantasy

[dusk patrol]

I’ll wait til the book but I dont love how they did Agatha

But whatever

[storm jungle]

yeah same i dont really care

[dusk patrol]

I liked the one dude

Can’t recall his name

But we’ll see how they change it or how it’ll work

Also like

Ursula?

[storm jungle]

from Little Mermaid yeah

[rich sail]

Settra... Great King, the Imperishable, Khemrikhara, The Great King of Nehekhara, King of Kings, Opener of the Way, Wielder of the Divine Flame, Punisher of Nomads, The Great Unifier, Commander of the Golden Legion, Sacred of Appearance, Bringer of Light, Father of Hawks, Builder of Cities, Protector of the Two Worlds, Keeper of the Hours, Chosen of Ptra, High Steward of the Horizon, Sailor of the Great Vitae, Sentinel of the Two Realms, The Undisputed, Begetter of the Begat, Scourge of the Faithless, Carrion-feeder, First of the Charnel Valley, Rider of the Sacred Chariot, Vanquisher of Vermin, Champion of the Death Arena, Mighty Lion of the Infinite Desert, Emperor of the Shifting Sands, He Who Holds The Sceptre, Great Hawk Of The Heavens, Arch-Sultan of Atalan, Waker of the Hierotitan, Monarch of the Sky, Majestic Emperor of the Shifting Sands, Champion of the Desert Gods, Breaker of the Ogre Clans, Builder of the Great Pyramid, Terror of the Living, Master of the Never-Ending Horizon, Master of the Necropolises and many more ?

[dusk patrol]

Like we’re just doing Creed but girl?

[storm jungle]

no idea

but tbh

that new Lord Solar also sucks

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-i-will-get-you-kill-gif-19790538

[storm jungle]

"Yes im here now."

"I got a horse"

"Im a diet Macharius"

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I don’t love his look

The Ad Mech horses only worked for me because steampunk cowboy

[rustic spruce]

Lord solar has gone downhill since macharius

[dusk patrol]

Tbf

Kinda hard act to top

Alexander the Space did a lot

[brittle slate]

Yeah there aren’t any super human female factions.

[dusk patrol]

Sisters of Silence are definitely pretty super human

Ain’t no normies doing what they do

[plush mason]

they are blanks so ye

[rustic spruce]

Hey now don’t forget about the organization of blank assassins

[dusk patrol]

I mean if we’re just taking exclusively female

If not then yeah all assassins

Ad Mech

Eldar

[rich sail]

honestly female anything space marines custodes etc it depends a lot how its done. If things get retconned like "yeaaah there were female custodes all along we just forgot to mention it" is dumb as fuck but if tis like "my boy belisarius found a way to make female custodes and space marines and now there is a whole new chapter of them on their way to serve" would be pretty epic

[rustic spruce]

Shout out to the first primaris marine that lives in constant agony

Pour one out for alpha primus

[dusk patrol]

I mean GW isn’t gonna do female Primaris or Custodes for now, but just make your models how you want or your homebrew how you want

[plush mason]

so was Creed the governor of cadia or just the general in charge of the guard there?

or both?

[rustic spruce]

He was both

[rich sail]

another good way to add female space marines is to make it so one of or both of the 2 missing primarchs were female i mean there are so many ways to add female space marines without being lazy

[gusty sequoia]

are we going to get warhammer tv series anytime soon

[lilac wave]

There's no reason there can't be female custodes, you wouldn't be able to tell through the armor.

[rich sail]

custuodes yes since they are custom tailored by the emperor, space marines u need a bit of work since they are clones of their primarch

[copper light]

We also don't know if any females have even attempted to pass the rubicon primaris (iirc). We know Primaris space marines dont have to go through the old process like the firstborn. And unless Ive missed something, I dont see why they couldnt?

[gusty sequoia]

because emperor is chad

https://tenor.com/view/mujikcboro-seriymujik-gif-24361533

[lilac wave]

I just don't know what people are expecting when they think of female space marines.

[modern plaza]

aren't the Adepta Sororitas basically female spez mahrens; the whole power armour, boltguns.. I like the clear distinction between the two personally.. female space marines would be like "Here's sisters of battle, but better"

[lilac wave]

Space marines are hugely, grotesquely muscular. Female Astartes wouldn't** have tiny waists and huge tits, they wouldn't have their own mark of booby power armor. They'd look just like Space marines.

[timid ferry]

It’s easier just to say big e was utilitarian and/or sexist enough to say “no girls allowed”

[crisp heath]

Im pretty sure that would have to retcon a bunch of lore behind augmentations

[modern plaza]

probably isn't clamour for change for this stuff, aside from the odd vocal minority who plasters it on social media

I don't know a single person IRL who even brings this up

[urban spire]

the people who want female space marines generally aren't after huge tits and tiny waists, i'm pretty certain

they just want representation

[plush mason]

and or he was gay and liked being surrounded by big dudes as much as possible

[urban spire]

personally i think the setting would be better if space marines went the way of the squats of yore

[modern plaza]

but remember from a company standpoint, there'd be too much overlap between women spacemarines and sisters of battle, that's enough of a reason imo that it'll never happen

lol who actually gets bothered about space marines not representing them? sounds like a vocal internet minority sticking point lol

[crisp heath]

Gonna call BS on this

[plush mason]

its likely about an even split between those that want sexy space marines and those that want accurate female space marines

[crisp heath]

I can totally imagine weirdos being cringey if we had a massive dommy mommy primarch.

I just know it.

[plush mason]

ye

[modern plaza]

as weird as the ones who're offended there isn't women marines

[modern plaza]

i think the takeaway is "nobody cares"

I don't, i'm off to shoot some heretics, later dudes

[rich sail]

yep but at least i wouldnt feel totally stupid, forced maybe.
I dont mind either way if there are or arent any female spaces marins as long as it makes at least some sense

[urban spire]

space marine augmentation is nonsense in the first place, who cares

[plush mason]

GW wont add female SM to the lore because they wont do anything to up sales on the TT

[timid ferry]

The real answer

[storm jungle]

It kinda does

you really need to understand how demographics work in the first place for these kind of things

The more options for anything: The more something sells

Marines arent getting changed at the moment because GW is too wary of upsetting its main cashcow

[plush mason]

given that the female SM models would look just like the current all male ones it wont

[modern plaza]

Take a look at WHFB very large collection and realise that it did not indeed, sell more

[brittle slate]

This I like more

[storm jungle]

WHFB didnt sell more because the minis arent good

[modern plaza]

Didn't tactical squads outperform the entire range haha

Now you're being subjective about it, can't shift goal posts fella!

[storm jungle]

also a horrible tabletop system

among many other things

[brittle slate]

Which is a pretty sensitive and reactive demographic by itself

[storm jungle]

YEP

[timid ferry]

GW don’t care bout social justice or basement dwelling misogynists. They care about making money

[lilac wave]

Space marines as they are, are just part of the aesthetic of the setting. I think 40k has lots of good female representation. Literally the astartes are the only ones in the galaxy who care at all.

[storm jungle]

Its definitely gonna happen but not anytime soon either way

[rich sail]

i doubt the demograpgic you are talking about would even become interested in the setting in the first place. Hollywood was a good example how forced diversity failed bcs the demographic that cared so much about it didint really watch the shows in the first place and are not long time fans of the franchise

[modern plaza]

Majority of the playerbase doesn't ever lol

[plush mason]

the salt over the primaris marines was great fun to watch

[modern plaza]

exactly ^

[storm jungle]

40K doesnt really do forced diversity tho

[modern plaza]

exactly

[storm jungle]

the fanbase gets mad when a black person is on the cover of a book

[urban spire]

you'd think the marine fans would love double marines

[modern plaza]

cos the majority of the playerbase does not care

[brittle slate]

@timid ferry who spends more money then them?

Lol

[modern plaza]

a large slice of a 40k discussion channel on the internet isn't representative of the hobby as a whole

[timid ferry]

Got me there

Remember, Nurgle is GW making fun of its player base

[urban spire]

i usually care a lot about representation but like, space marines are weird future space fascists, it's difficult to care if one of them is a girlboss

[rich sail]

again i dont really care and i dont think it would change anything really if there are or arent female space marines in the setting as long as it is done in a sensible way

[storm jungle]

It kinda would, again.

like

why do you think they are adding female votann heads

or guardsman

They could have just made them all male like before, but didn't.

[modern plaza]

makes sense in the current lore, it doesn't with SM

[plush mason]

yeah same. 40k is not the setting you should look to for any form of positive anything least of all representation

[urban spire]

the diversity in 40k feels pretty natural, the space marines' lack of diversity stands out

[storm jungle]

Its 40k lore. Nothing makes sense.

Lore exists to be edited at the whims of whatever will sell miniatures.

Where did the Primaris come from?

"Uh, they were under Mars the whole time!"

and etc

[devout oxide]

thats why the "woman marines" is self defeating. because no one will buy them lol.

[dusk patrol]

Look at people reacting to Andor

[copper light]

Once again, does the entirety of the primaris marines and the idea of the rubicon primaris itself not present an opportunity for there to be canon female space marines?

[devout oxide]

the people who want them the most are not actually going to keep them alive if they were ever released

[urban spire]

i'm not really on top of what andor is

[storm jungle]

Yeah it does but again it isnt implemented because GW doesn't want to alienate its main cashcow playerbase.

[plush mason]

the amount of people that fail to understand that the setting of 40k is made to be hell in every possible way is frankly shocking

[storm jungle]

Which is fair

[modern plaza]

there's a difference between writing new lore to get truescale models out without making the largest selling army obsolete worldwide.. vs making "it turns out there was women the whole time"

[dusk patrol]

Uh basically fascist lady girlboss is one of the main characters

[brittle slate]

More people want female marines than anyone ever complained about squats

It just would be a PR nightmare

[dusk patrol]

And she has a few semi-relatable struggles so for awhile twitter and shit were doing the "Yass queeen slay!" shit

[brittle slate]

Worse than any Spanish tabletop event with a uniform problem

[dusk patrol]

And then were shocked when fascist lady girlboss isn't actually good person.

[storm jungle]

Im admittedly only here for the Agatha Trunchbull memes ngl

[copper light]

Warp fuckery. Easy.

[storm jungle]

https://tenor.com/view/matilda-trunchbull-rolling-gif-7823204

[brittle slate]

Yeah that would suck

[modern plaza]

look, guys, there's nothing stopping you greenstuffing two little mounds of your space marines chests okay?

[dusk patrol]

Good show though

[modern plaza]

Course it would suck

it'd be fucking stupid

[devout oxide]

you think the people that want them will actually keep them afloat? I launch emerging products for a living. GW is a successful company and they launched squats again because there was a market. if that market actually existed for female marines they would go after it

[urban spire]

girlboss

[dusk patrol]

God if only I could have done that when I taught elementary school kids

[brittle slate]

What were the marine suits that marines wear?

[dusk patrol]

Darius you little shit

He had it coming

[storm jungle]

People can do what they want so, no

[dusk patrol]

I loved them all, but some I loved more equally than others

[modern plaza]

I concur

[storm jungle]

also correct, all kids are bad

[brittle slate]

Ooof. As a former vendor of GW that is giving them a LOT of credit.

It’s just the backlash

Both ways

It would be a PR nightmare

[dusk patrol]

The sweet little girl who always listened and always tried and never got in a fight was a lot easier to uh......sympathize with than the little shit who throw his mac and cheese at lunch and screamed when I told him he had to get off the slide because recess was over.

Anyways

[storm jungle]

Yeah Marines are just way too volatile to touch

[lilac wave]

If you really want lore compliant female space marines, there's no reason marines can't transition. It's a big big galaxy out there, and there's lots of chapters with wierd traditions and rituals.

[near glade]

Do you guys know if it’s lore friendly for Primaris to use terminator armor or Atleast modified terminator armor. I am writing for the challenge and I don't really recall hearing about that

[brittle slate]

But female custodes would have made sense both in lore and would have solved this issue

[plush mason]

and even if there is a market for it how would they tap into it? given that making the models overtly female would piss off a good half of that market and not doing so would piss off the other half

[brittle slate]

So would have primaris

[devout oxide]

In my experience, working for big companies and launching things, if it can make money they pull the trigger.

[storm jungle]

Custodes are A LOT easier yeah

its literally just

"genetic surgery"

boom

[urban spire]

what is going on with custodes anyway

[storm jungle]

Nothing.

They are mary sues like 30k and 40k

[copper light]

Honestly feel like the Sisters of Silence fit this role already

[devout oxide]

this. almost all of the "we need female marines" people I see literally only w ant to buy them to piss of the right people. thats not a sustainable business model for miniature sales lol

[storm jungle]

They really dont

[modern plaza]

"Brother, I've been fighting in the most horrendous wars possible, lost all my comrades in the past 30 years I've served... But I just reallllly want a pair of silicon tits, so do me a favour and sort me out yeah?"

lol

[rich sail]

custodes are cool, grey knights and kaldor are the mary sues

[brittle slate]

That and GW is run by a lot of the misogynist types anyway.

[storm jungle]

This is something not a lot of people know

[brittle slate]

Except sisters aren’t created super soldiers

[storm jungle]

Also having been reading 40k books for like 9 years

watching these boomers trying to write women is just

💀

[modern plaza]

there's already an entire women faction with power armour and bolters, too much overlap to make the marines female, ain't happening sorry folks

[dusk patrol]

You could replace almost any elite from a faction in 40k with this and it still works tbh.

[brittle slate]

There’s a reason they have trouble entering the “big leagues”. You just take one look at all the internal HR problems and you lose interested buyers

[dusk patrol]

40k is built on Mary sues

[urban spire]

sisters of silence have the pariah gene, don't they? technically that's genetic engineering, just not the emprah's genetic engineering

[dusk patrol]

Its whats fun about it

[brittle slate]

Not… super… human

[storm jungle]

Its not genetic engineering

you are born as a blank

[brittle slate]

It’s a false equivalence

[dusk patrol]

My dudes beating up whoever

[storm jungle]

Also stop riling up the subject lmao

[copper light]

No but theyre so peak psykers they are the literally antithesis of them? And if custodes are the physical antithesis of the Emperor are not the Sisters of his psychic abilities?

[urban spire]

the pariah gene is necron fiddling, isn't it?

[storm jungle]

Was.

Its retconned now

[brittle slate]

Sisters aren’t psykers they’re blanks

[urban spire]

oh, ok

[brittle slate]

In the glory days

[storm jungle]

Yeee

[lilac wave]

It'd more like a, non optional whole chapter thing. Don't really know how or why, but it'd just be a thing they do. Like that one blood angels chapter that has a yearly blood orgy.

[urban spire]

wasn't aware of that

[dusk patrol]

It used to be

[modern plaza]

power space sci-fi armour, big guns that explode.. same thing

[dusk patrol]

Its not really lore anymore that it was

Although they may be bringing it back who knows

I would definitely say Sisters of Silence are superhuman though.

[modern plaza]

"cut my knob off please Apothecary, I need to adhere to no-nut-eternity..."

[dusk patrol]

But I also don't wanna get involved, this is by far the least interesting of all 40k topics and also simultaneously the most volatile.

[timid ferry]

I mean, these days you can have random sisters ascend to become living saints. Acts of Faith have all but made them superhuman. Not genetically but super human all the same.

[storm jungle]

Its basically always the same thing too tbh

[dusk patrol]

Rather just talk about which Primarch would win in a fight.

[storm jungle]

DO NOT.

[modern plaza]

Vast majority of people dgaf, it's just interesting to see this microcosm of folk advocating for/against it

[dusk patrol]

And trust me, I do not want to actually talk about that

[rich sail]

technically there are female space marines. Didint Bile make female ones ?

[copper light]

Exactly. Theyre the antithesis of psykers? (a person or thing that is the direct opposite of someone or something else.) So what do we know about the emperor? He likely used biomancy and psychic projection to hide his true form, correct? Theres been rumors hes actually a frail human, not a giant as he seems.

[storm jungle]

Nah

[dusk patrol]

No

[storm jungle]

thos are just genetically enhanced people

[urban spire]

strictly speaking, didn't only guilliman survive the primarch royale?

[dusk patrol]

He mostly doesn't do space marine stuff anyways

[storm jungle]

they are Marine-tier strength wise tho

[dusk patrol]

Just his Bile's New Men™️

Patent pending

[storm jungle]

Diet Custodes™️

[modern plaza]

I always though that was a precursor to "primaris chaos"

[dusk patrol]

Maybe one day

[modern plaza]

and then boom, new big chaos dudes

[dusk patrol]

But for now its just its own thing

And it is only referenced in his books

[modern plaza]

but they got the truscale update without changing the lore

[dusk patrol]

Bile does upgrade marines and shit but its not his like main deal

[modern plaza]

the new proportions on the models are brilliant

[copper light]

IDK Chaos guys become more monstrous seems kinda right for them

[rich sail]

space marines bori9ng anyways lol people should like the brave men and women of the astra militarum more

[urban spire]

oh that's something i'd never considered, how are CSM players feeling about their counterparts getting super marines?

[dusk patrol]

He's also gotten some primaris stuff to work with but no new lore on it.

[storm jungle]

As per the 9th Chaos Codex Bile has been working with Custodeeznuts/Primaris geneseed

[dusk patrol]

Chaos already had them

[modern plaza]

CSM have 2 wounds are wreck in CC, I thikn they're ok?

[urban spire]

how so?

[dusk patrol]

I'm talking about the New Men

[storm jungle]

Im gonna New Men you in a second

[devout oxide]

to be fair the entire EC story arch is bile carving up his brothers to make them more perfect lol

[dusk patrol]

Plague Marines, Kakaphonia whatever they're called marines, possessed marines, Rubrics, Obliterators, and so on.

[urban spire]

oh yeah, true

[devout oxide]

them failing, aside form fulgrims new favorite sword is like 1-1 ratio of them experimenting with biles alterations and falling to chaos lol

[dusk patrol]

Noise Marines are so fucking overpowered its actually kinda boring.

Its also why the EC never do anything

[timid ferry]

Good god did GW really call them New Men? Talk about laying the Übermensch rhetoric on thick

[dusk patrol]

Its just "and then I toot my horn and win"

[modern plaza]

tbh waiting for 10th ed. next summer before I jump back into 40k, absolute mess of rules atm

[celest dome]

Noise Marines ?

[storm jungle]

I mean

Bile was born in Austria

i think

[rich sail]

[dusk patrol]

No worse

[storm jungle]

I know it was somewhere in europe

[devout oxide]

bile is also literally a ausstrian eugenicist lol

[timid ferry]

Lmao

[dusk patrol]

He was born to Frankenstein's family

[storm jungle]

NOT EVEN A JOKE

[timid ferry]

Hahahahahhaa

[storm jungle]

THATS IN THE LORE

[devout oxide]

no he was its 100% cannon lmao

[dusk patrol]

Yerp

[storm jungle]

God I hate him

[timid ferry]

Jesus wow

[modern plaza]

tourney rankings aside, the glut of books you need to play. fook dat

[devout oxide]

i forget the name of the town, but it exp0licitly states it

[storm jungle]

Yep let me se

Lexi had it

[devout oxide]

like hes a austrian eugenicist lol

[storm jungle]

Fabius was born on Terra to Europan nobility. He spent at least part, if not all of his childhood in a region named Ingolstadt; potentially related to the Bavarian city but this is not expanded upon [12]. As a child, he learned the art of fleshcrafting from one of his families servants. Among his first experiments was modifying mice to duel each other in elaborate garb and was inconsolable when they disobeyed his orders and killed one another. Shortly after, he was inducted into the III Legion.

[dusk patrol]

Kakophoni's

[modern plaza]

sounds like fanfic to me

[dusk patrol]

But yeah same difference

[storm jungle]

BAVARIAN

CLOSE ENOUGH

[devout oxide]

it does, but it isnt.

[dusk patrol]

That's it

[timid ferry]

Wow

Just wow

[modern plaza]

that's realllllly dumb, some things are best left unexplored

[dusk patrol]

But yeah its heavily implied hes like, related to Frankenstein and all that shit

Its dumb

But whatever

[storm jungle]

Honestly i dont mind it because Bile is basically a Power Rangers villain, it fits him

[modern plaza]

it's 30,000 years away. drawing links to the 20th century is so dumb

[urban spire]

augh, i hate how dumb chaos is

[devout oxide]

its the definition of "everything is a nail when you have a hammer" and peak GW doing some eye rolling shit

[modern plaza]

yeah for sure

[dusk patrol]

I mean he's a great character

Everything sounds dumb when you just write it out

[devout oxide]

hes fantastic, that piece of his story is so fucking stupid

[timid ferry]

Gotta hand it to GW they may openly reject facism. But they really do play to that crowd sometimes. Whether they mean to or not

[devout oxide]

the EC are from europe, european aristocrats/royalty/wealthy, but still. come the fuck on

[dusk patrol]

40k good characters have very little to do with their actual premise

And everything to do with their writing

There's a lot of stupidass concepts which have worked because good writing

And great concepts which fail because shit writing

[devout oxide]

I dont think its suppose to be a positive nod. its them literally marking the man who destroyed what was one of the most promising/greatest legions as a actual 1-1 stand in for hitler lol

like bile isnt supposed to be emulated

[timid ferry]

That’s easier to digest.

[dusk patrol]

He didn't really destroy them

He just got corrupted with them, he actually saved them.

And then you know

Laer blade and shit

[devout oxide]

what happens in my experience is people complete miss the forest through the trees. GW makes them mustache twirling evil for the sake of poking fun/making a point, and some morons go COOL!

[rich sail]

the greatest and best written char in the setting is ahriman

[modern plaza]

Warhammer did start off as a satire of right wing politics

[dusk patrol]

I mean also, like its possible to just enjoy bad people

I enjoy the Empire in Star Wars

[modern plaza]

Ghazghkul Mag Uruk Thraka = Margarete Thatcher lol

[dusk patrol]

I don't actually think they're right

But its a silly universe.

[devout oxide]

it did, but ork warbosses laughing at thatcherism is a far cry from what we have now

[modern plaza]

hahaha yes

I'm happy they kept the damn name for 40 years

[dusk patrol]

The most boring take in the world is that somehow we need a disclaimer that "Uh ackshually these guys are supposed to be bad" for every single bad person in fiction.

[modern plaza]

But hes just "ghaz" now

anyone who doesn't know that little tidbit would be clueless about the origins

[dusk patrol]

Because a few dipshits will like them for the wrong reasons

Spoiler: They would do that anyways

[devout oxide]

talos/argel tal are both literally horrible, fucked up people. and I love both of them lol

I can enjoy talos without thinking skinning kids is a good idea

[urban spire]

ghaz ghaz ghaz, i wanna step on the ghaz, tonight tonight, and be a hero

[rich sail]

1st claw enjoyer

[devout oxide]

somehow people miss that

[modern plaza]

Oh, you're talking to someone who specifically only plays the dickheads in the games

uruk hai, tyranids, orks, soulblight and bonereapers haha

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[modern plaza]

got some viking parts arrived today for my viking stormcast project, can't wait to play good guys for once

[dusk patrol]

People will always be cringe, you can try to stop it but the idea that you have to completely shift how you tell stories to cater to them is really boring

Every franchise would just be star wars with dudley doright saving the day from professor badman

[hollow lantern]

https://youtu.be/Fkcer7wRCNQ

[timid ferry]

Considering that they straight ripped Dredd for the arbites, it’s fairly obvious 40k is supposed to be a criticism of right wing politics. But that’s since been watered down/covered up with all the space marine Übermensch wank. The only thing that keeps it a valid satire is the disclaimer at front of every BL novel that the imperium is a horrible place to live. That and the Imperium being the designated idiot ball holders (next to the Eldar)

[urban spire]

it's funny how badly the eldar get it at this point

[modern plaza]

Yeah, suppose that had to be after going from a punky little shop in London ( at first?) to a multi billion £ company that corners an entire industry

[dusk patrol]

It hasn't been a real satire for awhile, its been played straight since it actually become a proper universe

Its still not an endorsement of the idealogy tough

[modern plaza]

Yeah, we're talking 30 years at this point

Yeah, an actively stating it's not an endorsement won't stop the retards from co-opting it as part of their own radical views

[urban spire]

i take issue with the idea that something can't satirize something and still be a "proper universe"

[dusk patrol]

Like it can just be a shitty world which sucks

[modern plaza]

in the same way knowing the swastika is illegal doesn't stop neo-fascists using it

[dusk patrol]

Because they're telling stories and arcs which are played stright.

[modern plaza]

I mean there's elements of satire right? you read the loading screen bits in this game?lol

[dusk patrol]

Like there's elements but 40k isn't really very satirical anymore.

[modern plaza]

"A open mind is weak" and stuff

[dusk patrol]

Some books and stories more than others

[modern plaza]

the little axioms are still totally satirical

[timid ferry]

^

Forgiveness is a crime worthy of death

[dusk patrol]

Sure, and like I said theres elements of it

[modern plaza]

lmao there's some brilliant ones in the loading screens

[dusk patrol]

Buts not a grand satire anymore.

A few jokes don't make it all a satire, and that's fine.

[devout oxide]

Unironically the best warhammer stories ever told and I will die on this hill

[modern plaza]

I read the first one!

brilliant book

[dusk patrol]

I hate the idea that you have to be making a joke to play these elements straight, and that if you don't its an endorsement.

Especially when its really obvious in every fucking book that the universe kind sucks yo.

Its not super cash money.

[modern plaza]

@devout oxide I think Rynns world is one of my favourites

Never hated Orks so much

Crimson fists need more credit, they're absolute chads

[devout oxide]

I just got the audio book! I read the story years ago. best depicition of "the orks are actually monsters"

[modern plaza]

couldn't agree more! They're such barbaric hideous creatures in it

[devout oxide]

too many people forget the orks are fucking horrifying because lol they speak funny

[dusk patrol]

Most books with the Orks being the antagonists show it pretty well

[timid ferry]

Instead of funni hooligans with cockney accents

[modern plaza]

same with Gloomspite, a recent AoS novel, the Grots are fucking awful in that too

[devout oxide]

as a steel legion simp, this is obvious to me.

[dusk patrol]

Its just most people don't read the books lol

[storm jungle]

The problem with that is you cant make the Imperium too much like nazis or you will alienate them from a marketing perspective unfortunately

not that it stops from actual fascists liking them but still

[urban spire]

tbh i like orks a lot more when they're off doing their own goofy shit than when they're portrayed as horrifying monsters

[modern plaza]

I love the bit in Helsreach when an Ork attempts low gothic and Grimaldus pummels his head into a bulkhead for "daring to desicrate our tongue" or something

[dusk patrol]

Its the same picture

[devout oxide]

I think GW threads the needle with pulling off the aesthetic but shitting on the culture

[modern plaza]

There's room for both fortunately 😄

[dusk patrol]

Its just which side you're viewing it from

[modern plaza]

Yup!^

[dusk patrol]

Even Ork books from their perspective are pretty fucked if you actually think of what they're doing

[storm jungle]

Yeah like the Imperium literally believes in genetical purity and abhors "subhumans" but you won't be told this most of the time

[modern plaza]

Sure, the side of a normally functioning adult, or a fucking nazi haha

[dusk patrol]

Its just they're also fun

[devout oxide]

this isnt a politics chat, but im pretty far "left" but I can appreciate the imperium knowing its a fanatical religious authoritarian hell hole. I dont like them because of that, I like them because they are humanity after 15k years of generational trauma and "lets double down on the worst decision possible"

i know they are a train wreck, and like them for being a train wreck

[timid ferry]

I mean, the imperium can suck in other ways. Institutionalized child abuse and indoctrination for one (Schola).

[storm jungle]

Yeah you can like the Imperium and think they are badass obviously, just please do not try to justify the stuff they do

[modern plaza]

The Orks are big nobheads in the Beast arises saga too, human food farms being one example where the humans have their teeth plucked and are fed a fattening jelly

[urban spire]

the imperium's hatred for "abhumans" is pretty front and center

[storm jungle]

Also literal death camps for insubordinate people or ones that were in the wrong place at the wrong time

[dusk patrol]

I just like their look and its a fun unique universe.

[devout oxide]

dont do warcrimes/genocide being missed by some people is mind blowing, but it happens

[dusk patrol]

Why people always gotta try to justify why they enjoy something.

[storm jungle]

Anyway ill stop now

[modern plaza]

I'll justify Exterminatus, it starves the Tyranids

Eldar do it so we can ok

[devout oxide]

its odd. I like the aesthetics. I have played steel legion since codex armageddon. I would rather crawl through broken glass than live on armageddon.

[dusk patrol]

Its fun being the Empire in videogames and I love their look and aesthetic and deal, but obviously I don't actually think blowing up planets with billions of innocents is a good deal. Or the other stuff.

[modern plaza]

Or do you

Alderaan had it coming

[barren tapir]

Although, tbf, they don't know what they are talking about...

[urban spire]

dont you mean aeldari

[dusk patrol]

Like, no one really wants to live in 40k

Its the appeal of the universe

Its unique

Its what makes it fun

[modern plaza]

I'd love to be the king of a spire and live for 300 years in pure luxury, speak for yourself

[dusk patrol]

You don't need to justify your enjoyment of that.

[storm jungle]

Political assassination time

[dusk patrol]

If someone thinks that means you like Nazi's then fuck em

They're a numpty anyways, not worth engaging with

[devout oxide]

i would 100% have ended up being sacrificed in some slaneesh cult in my 20's lol

[modern plaza]

I have an invincible forcefield, and unlimited wealth and... and ... and ...

Might I say that's HERESY

"Yes Inquisitor, this woman right here"

[dusk patrol]

Like Kaldor Draigo is a really silly complete OC mary sue character, who thankfully has been written well in his few actual book appearances. I still love em.

[urban spire]

the inquisition will exterminatus your planet if they even suspect you've been thinking about one boob

[modern plaza]

Yet to meet the Nazi's in the gaming stores.. plenty who smell like cheese & onion crisps though

[modern plaza]

hahaha

[timid ferry]

Yeah, my favorite faction is the sisters, the fanatical enforcers of the IoM’s perverse corpse worshipping theology. I still love them to death

[modern plaza]

I'd let one with the bangs put a bolter round in me any day

[devout oxide]

this is the part of what kills me about people who complain about fascists/nazis in the hobby. Do they exist? absolutely. I too have seen them online. In a public setting though they arent tolerated. Which from the discouse you would think they were, but its never been the case in my 20+ years of tournaments/hanging out in stores. Its why that fucking weirdo in spain was international news

[urban spire]

i wish the SoB armour was a lot less booby

[modern plaza]

use a file

[urban spire]

i don't play the tabletop

[modern plaza]

Absolutely, definitely a lot of smelly weirdos though lol

Comes with the hobby of playing with little plastic men oh well haha

Guy in spain??

Glad I didn't hear of that one

[devout oxide]

the mrs came with me to game night 1 time. she left, and was like "i try not to be judgemental but holy shit" lol my oppenent was litterally the definition of "dude, deadorant, please!"

[modern plaza]

oh yeah mate, one guy I walked past literally smelled like blue stilton

Can't lynx africa your way out of that one fella

[urban spire]

they need to go the way of yugioh tournaments and start enforcing a smell code

if you can be detected by your stank, you are out

[devout oxide]

this is hilarious. I did not know this is a thing.

[timid ferry]

It was part of their original aesthetic. But personally I don’t care either way. Just as long as any new look keeps true to the over the top nature of the original

[modern plaza]

introduce sniffer dogs at the door, if the dog dies, they're refused entry

probably only take a couple mins on the doors opening though..

[brittle slate]

Wait- WHAT?!?

[devout oxide]

Im spoiled because I have 2 brothers, and a good group of friends who play. they are all the type to regularly shower. so I have had the same 10 consistent opponents for 15+ years and im spoiled

[modern plaza]

you're late mr_greebles, but that's the reaction I was waiting on

[modern plaza]

lmfao literally same

[brittle slate]

Lol

[modern plaza]

My dad, two brothers and our own mates have bandied into a consistent group the last few years

[urban spire]

see this is rad, but this is from a time when the entire game was more like this. modern 40k has a much more modern-but-bulky scifi, less heavy metal aesthetic

[brittle slate]

There are a few off brand companies that provide

[modern plaza]

We ventured out into an AoS tourney in august and it was just full of cheaters and weirdos

the only fun games we had then was against each other hahaha

[brittle slate]

But the boob armor, despite always not making sense because of how bullets work, is part of the asthetic

Swords don’t really make sense either

[past edge]

.

[devout oxide]

wcompletely anecdotal. so AOS fans please dont think this is a personal attack or whatever, but at my FLGS the AOS people are fucking insufferable dicks

[timid ferry]

Yeah, it’s what I like about the sisters. Aesthetically they are one of the oldest factions because they didn’t receive new models for so long. Space marines became very ‘toyish’

[brittle slate]

I have noticed that but only in the states

[modern plaza]

I'm a big AoS fan, I heard the opposite about the community according to reddit but I'm yet to see it outside my own group

[brittle slate]

They feel like (and this isn’t a shot either) but a lot of magic card players

[devout oxide]

I am in north texas.

[modern plaza]

north england

so our observations match atm

[brittle slate]

Pacific nw but work in UK

[devout oxide]

I think online 40k fans are most definitely worse lol.

[modern plaza]

Not enough aos fans to have an online discussion with ahahha

Another tourney next weekend.. I'll go, but my hopes aren't up for a chill day gaming

[devout oxide]

I just spent 3 weeks in washington state setting up a new operation, beautiful but my god how do you people stand the rain.

[brittle slate]

It’s odd how I still know in depth meaningful debate groups for fantasy

And zero for AoS

[modern plaza]

one guy called himself "Roar" and when he didn't make the top 3 (in a 10 man tourney) he just left without a word

[urban spire]

my girlfriend had a BAD time coming out as trans to her local tabletop group lol

[brittle slate]

Complex umbrella stratagems with alcohol rerolls

[modern plaza]

rain is gud

[devout oxide]

I miss fantasy, i want it back. I think the end of fantasy was handled very poorly. But i appreciate what they made AOS into. the models are also absolutely stunning

[modern plaza]

although its snow here atm

good enough, close enough to rain

[devout oxide]

i just wish we had fantasy and AOS

[modern plaza]

fantasy is coming back though!

[devout oxide]

i know im pumped

[modern plaza]

aos has surprisingly good lore dude, it's coming on really well

[devout oxide]

I dont understand fantasy fans who want away with AOAS

AOS* like just do both

[modern plaza]

gatekeepers

exactly

[devout oxide]

I trried to get into the AOS books and couldnt. Im not sure what im missing but its a perosnal thing. I completely get why people like it

[brittle slate]

Yes

[urban spire]

i was resentful of AoS when it was new, but when it was new it was fucking rough

[brittle slate]

AoS has some of the best miniature designs of all time

[modern plaza]

oh yeah it was...

and it's story arcs develop and evolve

[brittle slate]

Don’t know why more of it doesn’t spread to 40k

[modern plaza]

3rd edition books have been very well written mostly too

[timid ferry]

Sorry to hear that. Partly why I’ve had trouble getting into the hobby. Not trans myself but it’s hard to get invested in a community where hate is prevalent

[devout oxide]

I was for them pulling something I loved lol. I think it was fair to be upset when GW changed the setting by taking a torch to the setting we loved

[modern plaza]

nowhere near the same level of power creep as 9th

[brittle slate]

There was such a universal bad reaction they aborted the 40k end times too

[modern plaza]

Yeah, it was out of the blue but I don't know if its folklore but iirc the tactical squad kit sold more than the entire WHFB range

[devout oxide]

thank god lol

[brittle slate]

That sucks.

[modern plaza]

warhammer 50k doesn't have the same ring to it

[brittle slate]

That’s was just it’s street name

[modern plaza]

"may as well round it up boys, bring forth WARHAMMER 100k"

[urban spire]

age of fourty thousand sigmars

[brittle slate]

Lol

[modern plaza]

Tbh I do like my stormcastartes

[urban spire]

i still think AoS is kind of goofy but i don't resent it at all

[modern plaza]

it's totally goofy

[devout oxide]

never apply to malice what can be explained by sales. I work in a industry with very passionate hobbyists. They never understand that every "cool" idea we have. Every product we launch has to be completely approved by a bunch of people who do not give a shit and just care about $$$. My guess is fantasy wasnt making money, and they wrote a story to iron out a already decided financial choice.

[modern plaza]

A few novels i've read are surprisingly grounded, and makes it a very compelling read when juxtaposed against such a high fantasy backdrop

[urban spire]

especially since the best warhammer fantasy games were created after they burned the setting down

[modern plaza]

I wouldn't believe any other reason tbh

I'm a bit mad I can't play a stormcast in a hack and slash yet

maybe i'll be the change I want to see

[devout oxide]

I dont know the lore well, but they would be a bit too OP for a verminetide setting right?

[urban spire]

the way i heard it, burning warhammer was a business decision driven purely by the idea that it would make everyone have to buy a new army

[devout oxide]

this is par the course for "heres how we make investors happy"

it probably sounded good on paper

[modern plaza]

if I could Tl;dr stormcast, they're still human in mind, but 7ft-9ft tall, as strong as a dozen men but still have the fallibility of humans.. it's quite refreshing they're not total space marine rips

[urban spire]

i was hoping someone could confirm this for me, because i only know it as second or third hand information

[timid ferry]

Lots of things sound good on paper. But here’s a better one. Happy player base = happy customers = customers buy more = more profit = happy investors

[modern plaza]

when they die they can be "reforged" it can take anything from days to years to do, and a piece of them is left behind.. eventually becoming unfeeling brutal killing machines

There's already lore bits of stormcast purging villages/parts of cities to rout chaos infestations

[devout oxide]

Everything im saying is pure speculation. I worked for a super large game company for a while, and work in a totally different industry now, but I feel like if they are run anything like pretty much everywhere I have worked, someone had a idea to make $$$ and it checked all the "right boxes" so the people who actually understand the setting and lore were told "hey new direction, we need you to write the end of the setting"

[modern plaza]

right, lovely chatting to you folks, off to actually play the game with some mates so have a good weekend 🙂

[urban spire]

have a good time

[plucky imp]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8gYZ5ZazxjY

[rich vale]

Not just after, there's essentially no games set in AoS, everyone likes the original setting more

[slender orchid]

I'm not going to dig for the AMA or videos, but one of the designers confirmed it was entirely business. Fantasy had comprised single digit percentages of overall sales of GW for several years.

Also was the source that told us it wasn't malice that saw Tomb Kings and Bretonnians axed. Especially Tomb Kings, the molds used to cast the minis got heavily damaged.

AoS is averaging mid twenties to even thirties percentiles of sales. Healthy and growing, everything GW wanted. Not overtaking 40k, but doing well. GW IS looking to revive Old World as a forgeworld niche game, how Horus Heresy used to be. Largely due to Total War, so videogames can have impact on tabletop.

[urban spire]

my introduction to warhammer fantasy was the tabletop game back in the day, second edition or first, i don't recall

whichever one didn't have really weird dice

only normal weird dice

[slender orchid]

They've been d6 since get go? First and second would have been the 80s

[urban spire]

er

sorry

got my terms mixed up

tabletop rpg

[slender orchid]

Ah. Yeah.

Never played the RPG side until "new" 4th edition of the RPG (like 5-6 years old now)

Think most have used a d100 system though

[urban spire]

it's been a long time

[devout oxide]

I want to know their margins so badly

[urban spire]

anyway i always thought the setting was much more interesting in both fantasy and 40k than the miniatures game

the miniatures are also so unapproachable

[slender orchid]

I don't think they ever publicly broke it down by faction, but they did by setting in the yearly earnings reports. Fantasy as a whole was not doing great.

[urban spire]

i've always been too poor and isolated to get into them

they are so much more approachable as rpgs and computer games

[devout oxide]

the setting is the game if you do it right lol. I have 3000 points of scions that started as 500 points of random fuedal guard models. I read "volpone glory" and built a entire story and we had a 13 month campaign that just concluded run by my brother. it was awesome and narrative based. not the most balanced dalways but my god was it fun

[urban spire]

just the setting costs a lot less money

[slender orchid]

I couldn't afford my own minis until 5 years ago. Had to bum them from others, or just Poorhammer with paper or stuff. I got a nice paying job and immediately indulged my inner kid, up to 12 armies

[devout oxide]

i have a lot of GW official but I printed 90% of the army for less than 50 bucks

[urban spire]

i'm too mentally ill to work unfortunately, get by on welfare, which isn't bad in norway, but still not great

i mean, it's WAY better than american minimum wage so i can't complain too much

but even if i had the money, i've always lived off in some forest away from people

[slender orchid]

<- American. We don't get that kind of option. Partially why we tend to be kind of callous I think

[devout oxide]

I would never bag on anyone for not being able to afford the price tag, its definitely a luxory and not as accessible as it should be. I just meant from the table top standpoint you absolutely can make it all about the lore.

[urban spire]

that's fair

and there's stuff like necromunda and uh

fantasy necromunda

[devout oxide]

kill team

[urban spire]

what's it called again

[devout oxide]

warcry

and there are a bunch of small scale fun stuff they have launched

[urban spire]

the smaller scale game set in a ruined city

where everyone's trying to get a meteorite or something

[devout oxide]

dark city

oh

mordheim

[urban spire]

that's the one

[devout oxide]

theres a turn based game on steam for it thats fun lol

not very popular but i like it

[urban spire]

i played it a long time ago, don't remember much about it

well either way, that one's much more narrative on the tabletop from what i've been told

[devout oxide]

it depends on what you are doing on the tabletop. tournament/matched play the lore is usually irrelevant

crusade wise it should be 100% about telling a story

[young echo]

hail the emperor

death before dishonor

[urban spire]

i understand why they're hesitant to just put the actual game rules in a computer game, but at some point they really should just bite the bullet and go for it

[devout oxide]

TTS works! im not big on it but it can be fun to watch

[urban spire]

TTS? oh tabletop sim?

[devout oxide]

yup. huge 40k community

during the pandemic it blew up

[urban spire]

hate to sound snobby but i did mean something with actual graphics lol

oh yeah that makes sense

[devout oxide]

oh of course ya lol

it would be very tough to translate the game into a real time game imo

even the table top doesnt make sense lore wise

[urban spire]

as i understand it, the reason there are tons of warhammer computer games yet none that just simulate the actual tabletop is because they're worried folks would just play the computer version rather than the tabletop

which would mean they couldn't charge through the nose for little plastic mans

i don't think that's a very realistic concern though, when you consider how much the videogames industry utterly eclipses every other media industry

there's tons of money to be made

fuck i'm rambling

[gusty sequoia]

why ultramarines have like 2 like gold or something on there face\

[urban spire]

off topic too

[devout oxide]

Different markers lol if anything they would want a success to bolster TT sales

[urban spire]

you mean these things?

[gusty sequoia]

yes

[urban spire]

service studs, they represent years of service

ten years to a full century

depending on the chapter

i don't know what it means for the ultramarines specifically

[gusty sequoia]

im playing space marine right now he only got 2

[urban spire]

it just marks seniority

[prime tapir]

Based Psyker on the topic of what is need for Space Marines to intervene

[devout oxide]

Different markers lol if anything they would want a success to bolster TT sales

[devout oxide]

Meanwhile my sharpshooter is obsessed with ratlings and the ultras

[rich vale]

To be fair, they have genuine worry of that because well... third party miniatures, and 3d printing (if you get the really good ones), do what they do, but so significantly cheaper its not even funny

Like, sure let me pay almost 1,000 dollars for a Titan, when I can just 3d print it in segments for like 20 dollars worth of materials

Its really their own fault because their prices are so unreasonable

[urban spire]

my girlfriend just picked up a 3d printer, she's been going ham on it

[rich vale]

They'd undoubtedly make significantly more if their prices were low enough, the price of admission to the hobby is so high its very limited in its scope

[stuck kindle]

A lot of the missions we are doing is to gain supplies for the battle. Is Atoma Prime located in the Imperium Nihilus somewhere?

[signal bramble]

I don’t think they ever specified.

[vocal drum]

whats stopping orks from going to destroy humans?

[signal bramble]

They're too busy fighting each other can't stay united for very long.

[stuck kindle]

Humans.

[rich vale]

They have come close, iirc they nearly razed Terra to the ground

[devout oxide]

I have 5 questoris knights, 3 are printed and literally no one can tell

[brittle slate]

Check out PoyperMakes

She’s insanely talented

[jagged cedar]

Just got a real quick question; I'm writing a little fluff thing.

Cogitators are basically computers.
Vox-stuff are basically radios;

What would a television be called in the Imperium/Low Gothic?

[storm jungle]

Holo-pics and holo-vids

[timid ferry]

^

[storm jungle]

Soap Operas are also literally "Holodramas"

basically use the word "picts" and "holo" a lot

[rustic spruce]

gotta watch the daily holo-vids while i read my holo-paper, waiting for my sons holo-grades to come in from holo-school

[jagged cedar]

... On the one hand I'm disappointed that it's something as bland as 'holovid'. On the other hand I'm glad it's not something stupid like...
Televizorium lmao

[storm jungle]

YEP

[rustic spruce]

our home has an excellent view of the holo-statue

[signal bramble]

Not bad.

I have 16 knights. All official. >_>

Knights are my favorite faction though and I wanted to have a big collection. I even homebrewed a knight house.

[devout oxide]

That’s awesome though. I printed bc you couldn’t find the forgeworld stuff and then it became a obsession lol

[rustic spruce]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaYESYWOY4

[sullen dome]

Do you guys think the situation in the sector calls for space marine intervention?

I mean from what i remember the system is pretty strategically important

[arctic talon]

Yesnt, it hasn’t escalated to the point where you need marines but Atoma is cut off from astropathic communications

A few regiments specialized in this sort of warfare could make quick work

Of the Moebian and the cultists

[sullen dome]

Atoma is under siege by an elite regiment turned traitor, there are demons fucking EVERYWHERE, a powerful inquisitor has already shown up

Oh i didnt realize it was cut off

[arctic talon]

Yeah

And still a few regiments could probably handle it

[sullen dome]

True true

[arctic talon]

We haven’t seen widespread total collapse yet

But at this point grendyl would prolly be okay with any help at all

Considering the situation could just completely fall out of control

[sullen dome]

Quite easily i imagine, it seems as though the only organized resistance is the Atoman PDF and the Grendyl's forces

against an elite and battle hardened regiment with demons

[arctic talon]

Tbf

The moebians are a single regiment

The main concern is a war of attrition the imperium can’t win

It’s why we’re being sent in in small groups

And why both sides have mostly defensive positions

[timid ferry]

^

[sullen dome]

Did the fringe war not entirely collapse into treachery? I was also gonna ask if we know whats going on with the other planets in the system, or is it just Atoma and the Moebians

[arctic talon]

No

Only the Moebian sixth are known to be full blown traitors

[sullen dome]

Im pretty sure I heard it started with the Moebians secretly turning traitors and being called back to Atoma, and then launching a surprise insurrection upon their return

[arctic talon]

And as an elite regiment they probably saw way more a ton then is healthy

[arctic talon]

The fringe war has been going on for long before the uprising

The Moebian sixth weren’t even in it presently

They were on R&R

And meant to be redeployed

Instead they got sent to atoma to quash the uprising

Which began with the train full of pox gas crashing based on how that scene is framed

[sullen dome]

Oh I see, I thought theyd been deployed to the front of the fringe war, turned traitor secretly, were withdrawn for whatever reason, and then launched their rebellion upon getting back to Atoma

[arctic talon]

They did turn traitor secretly at one point tbf

But I’m assuming they didn’t see an opportunity to revolt till the atoma uprising occurred

[sullen dome]

I see, I’m guessing the uprising is where all the dregs came from and the scabs are the Moebians

[arctic talon]

Yep

And seeing as the PDF prolly expected the Moebian 6th to help

[sullen dome]

Makes sense, yeah this situation isn’t quite as bad as I thought it was, could easily get far far worse though

[arctic talon]

I’m pretty sure they were absolutely demolished by the Moebian sand the cult of admonition coordinating somthing

Yeah this situation is a few steps from a daemon incurision

We also don’t know what the Auric class operatives are doing as well

But I’d assume they get issued the worst jobs imaginable

[sullen dome]

Well I mean there is already daemonic flesh everywhere

[devout oxide]

Then why are the traitors the moebian 6th?

[arctic talon]

As in there’s a single Moebian regiment that turned traitor

[devout oxide]

Ahh gotcha

[arctic talon]

But more might be secretly traitor

If one is traitor many more might also be

[sullen dome]

Honestly the situation might be resolvable by pulling back reserve regiments from the fringe war to combat the 6th, though for all we know they could be corrupted to to some degree

There might also not be any regiments available for that

[arctic talon]

Yep

That’s why I’m assuming no more have been called back

[sullen dome]

The fringe war isn’t exactly going great

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sullen dome]

Do we know what’s cut off the sector? Warp storm?

Also do we have any idea where the sector is in the galaxy?

[devout oxide]

The black crusade breaking cadia

Entire galaxy is split

[arctic talon]

We don’t know what cut off the sector aside from the Citrix maladictium

Also it’s not in imperium nihlus

[ruby sparrow]

I love having a [Galaxy Wide berlin wall]

[arctic talon]

According to hedge it’s in the outskirts Segmentum Solar

[sullen dome]

I’ve heard a couple of voice lines mention the rift

[arctic talon]

Yep

[devout oxide]

No it isn’t because of the dialogue. They bring up the far side of the rift as a “other” a decent amount, referencing Dante and such

[sullen dome]

This might be helpful

[ruby sparrow]

so even warp travel cant pass that rift even though its warp-

[arctic talon]

“If you know where Terra is, and you know where Necromunda is, draw a line from Necromunda to Terra, and keep the line going, about the same distance on the other side you'll find the Moebian domain. Of course, maps of space are also funky”

[devout oxide]

It can, it’s just not fun for anyone involved

[arctic talon]

There’s 2 tiny safe routes

You could go through the damn thing

But you also could die horrifically

[devout oxide]

Spear of f the emperor has the most fleshed out voyage through it

It’s not good for the people on the trip

[ruby sparrow]

so basicly galaxy wide berlin wall

[arctic talon]

Yes

[devout oxide]

Instead of the stasi you get daemons but yes lol

[arctic talon]

There’s 2 safe ways to pass it

Unlike the Berlin Wall

[ruby sparrow]

"To show you the power of the warp I cut this galaxy in half"

[arctic talon]

But on the other hand well

It’ll suck lol

[ruby sparrow]

so "Safe" being "You arent guaranteed to die"

[devout oxide]

Ya you clearly can make the trip. Just prepare to suffer

[arctic talon]

It’s like going through a rough warp transition

[rustic spruce]

It’s a wonder the guard even bothers with sandbag barricades

[arctic talon]

Going straight for the great rift

[ruby sparrow]

better than nothing

[arctic talon]

Is a 90% chance of death

Going through the nachmund gauntlet and the other one

Make your odds a lot better

[ruby sparrow]

to like what, 89%

[arctic talon]

No

Like normal warp travel

Just shitty

So more like

15-30% chance of horrific death lol

[sullen dome]

probably somewhere in this area

[arctic talon]

Yep

[sullen dome]

Not that bad, could be many times worse

[arctic talon]

Yeah normal warp travel already had like

A 10-15% chance of failure

[ruby sparrow]

To be fair warp travel is fine if the gelar field fucking works

[devout oxide]

Yeah. Completely fucked war travel isn’t a toss up. It’s like a 99.9999% chance everyone dies or ends up pawns of chaos. Crossing the rift is rough but you can make it through

[sullen dome]

I think they might’ve been making the trip through the warp storm that might be cutting off the system in the intro cinematic

[ruby sparrow]

and you dont have a chaos agent aboard

[sullen dome]

Also it should be noted that there’s a big difference between a warp tear and a warp storm

[arctic talon]

TLDR don’t travel through a fucking warp rift

You will die

[ruby sparrow]

but I wanna

[arctic talon]

A warp storm is fine

[ruby sparrow]

I wanna do it

[arctic talon]

A warp rift is

Uhh yeah

[sullen dome]

I wouldn’t say fine

[ruby sparrow]

Lets Fuckin go

[arctic talon]

Okay fine in comparison to a rift

You still don’t want to do it

[sullen dome]

A warp rift is significantly more likely to kill you

[ruby sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/super-mario-nintendo-64-mario-3d-platformer-gif-17122136

Me drunkenly piloting the inquisitors ship into the warp rift (Psyker moment)

[sullen dome]

We still haven’t seen Grendyl have we

[arctic talon]

Yep

[sullen dome]

I assume we will in a future update

[ruby sparrow]

Do we even know if grendyls alive

[storm jungle]

Considering he did an psychic zoom-call i doubt it

[arctic talon]

Unless grendyl is one of the acolytes

[storm jungle]

he probably has better shit to do

[ruby sparrow]

they could be dead in their office for all we know

[sullen dome]

I think we would know if they were dead

[arctic talon]

Assuming Rannick hasn’t been promoted yes

[timid ferry]

For all we know, Grendyl is the servitor. Or maybe Rannick is the inquisitor

[arctic talon]

Lol

Rannick could be

[storm jungle]

this turned into Amongus super fast

gg chat

[sullen dome]

What did u mean earlier about not knowing what going on with the Auric strike teams

I haven’t heard anything about that

[ruby sparrow]

also witchfinder on a scale from 1 to 10 how funny is skarbrand Trying to surrender several times and being declined each time

[storm jungle]

Its just an Ultramarine

[arctic talon]

Horus heresy MK4

[ruby sparrow]

Ultrasus

[rustic spruce]

An ultra ultramarine

[arctic talon]

Auric strike teams are mentioned both on the PA and in the special ammo mission

[sullen dome]

Idk how I missed this

[arctic talon]

They’re being assigned the “really nasty jobs” according to Zola

[ruby sparrow]

I am stupid whot is auric strike team

[arctic talon]

Our jobs already suck

Their jobs suck even harder

[sullen dome]

Opportunity for new missions and a level cap increase🤔

[rustic spruce]

The ultramarine chain of command is determined by how ultra they are

[sullen dome]

Seems like a future development plant

[arctic talon]

Gold level strike team in not low gothic

[ruby sparrow]

yes as in in wh terms

[storm jungle]

aka Google Translate latin

[arctic talon]

Just a higher ranking strike team

That’s what it means

[ruby sparrow]

what are we? Umgak strike team?

[arctic talon]

Idfk

Silver? Bronze?

[sullen dome]

We’re probably just under Auric by level 30

[arctic talon]

Prolly meant to die striketeam at level 1

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Probably higher.

[sullen dome]

Hell we could be Auric, just not on the Auric teams

[storm jungle]

Your characters take the Hereticus Oath

[arctic talon]

The auric teams prolly just get a fuck ton of special equipment for the jobs

[storm jungle]

the characters mention it

[ruby sparrow]

to be fair we are REALLY well equipt for convicts

[arctic talon]

We aren’t convicts

At level 30

[storm jungle]

^

[ruby sparrow]

before level 30 even

[storm jungle]

kind of

[arctic talon]

Hell by level 10 I’d say we’re part of the lower levels of the warband

[storm jungle]

all the weapon you get is mass-produced junk

[ruby sparrow]

I know we are "Look at me, I am the inquisitor now"

[arctic talon]

We aren’t in rags anymore

[storm jungle]

We arent

[arctic talon]

We get issued actual flak armor

[storm jungle]

an Acolyte is the lowest rank in a warband

[ruby sparrow]

well, were acotlytes

[storm jungle]

you are basically a henchman

[ruby sparrow]

but still

"Look at me, i am in the inquisition now"

[arctic talon]

Lol

Zola and Rannick have to get promoted/die first

[rustic spruce]

Some high gravity world make ogryns others make squats

[ruby sparrow]

its likely the temperature

[timid ferry]

“Acolytes.” Not all are made equal. I get the feeling our service is temporary at best. Regardless, we are being used as fodder to soften the blow to the warband

[ruby sparrow]

or GW not really caring

this IS science fantasy

[sullen dome]

When I saw him I thought rannick was the inquisitor, before I played the game I mean

[ruby sparrow]

could also just be tzeentch fucking with us intentionally

[storm jungle]

Acolyte is basically a Throne Agent, its still a good rank

[arctic talon]

At level 30 we’re a full part of the warband

[sullen dome]

Also, I heard someone say we’ll definitely be getting more classes eventually but idk if that’s true. Any idea if it is and what they may be?

[arctic talon]

We’re no longer truly disposable but we’re still disposable

Like it’ll sorta suck if we die

But that’s about it lol

[ruby sparrow]

So what kind of shit outside of just defecting to chaos or something equally stupid does a full blown inquisitor have to do to actually get in trouble as long as they get the job done

[arctic talon]

Blow up a lot of planets

[storm jungle]

Way too broad of a subject to cover

[arctic talon]

kryptman

[timid ferry]

That’s where dark tide ends and dark heresy begins.

[sullen dome]

This

[arctic talon]

Yeah pretty much lol

Before level 30 we’re worthless nobodies

At level 30 we’re somewhat known as a person in the warband and it’ll sorta suck if we die

[sullen dome]

It got Kryptman declared excommunicate traitorous

[rustic spruce]

At level 30 we’re moderate somebodies

[storm jungle]

Blowing up planets is like the speedrun route, you can be condemned for other shit like doodling in chaos artifacts or just harboring some mcguffin book

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[sullen dome]

It also kinda depends on the inquisitor

[arctic talon]

Also the lobby npcs sorta recognize us

Or rather the guards in the lobby

[storm jungle]

they basically become your fanboys

[rustic spruce]

What’s the name of the type of exterminatus that involves the space laser

[arctic talon]

Lol the ones standing at the mission console do

[timid ferry]

That’s cuz they are inquisitorial stormtroopers. You are no longer their backup. They are yours now.

[sullen dome]

If you’re having out with other radical inquisitors they’ll probably encourage you to fiddle around with some spooky artifacts, but if you try this shit around a puritan you’re getting shot

[arctic talon]

“Got a mission that needs your special touch”

[ruby sparrow]

So basically you only get in trouble if your higher ups are mad at you and-or what you're doing fucks the imperium over even more significantly in ratio to the good you do than is acceptable

[sullen dome]

Well the thing is

[arctic talon]

Orbital bombardment

[dusk patrol]

As with all things 40k

[sullen dome]

The inquisitors don’t really have higher ups

[dusk patrol]

It Depends™️

[storm jungle]

They do

[timid ferry]

Lots of Lance Strikes

[sullen dome]

They’re all TECHNICALLY equally powerful

[ruby sparrow]

ie "You can snort cocaine in a slaaneshi cult den as long as you either dont get caught, or have a good reason to"

[sullen dome]

But practically not

[storm jungle]

their organisational structure is wide but they still got people to answer to

you cant wave that badge around and expect shit to be fixed

[ruby sparrow]

not to mention iirc there IS a chain of command, albeit with some MASSIVE gaps

[arctic talon]

Yeah they still have to answer to other inquisitors lol

[ruby sparrow]

not to mention other inquisitors can call you out on your shit

[arctic talon]

It’s a lot of politicing

[rustic spruce]

100 million dollars but now you work in the administratum

[ruby sparrow]

plus sometimes the inquisition is a fucking mess. there's subordos and minor ordos too other than the main 3 right

[sullen dome]

It’s more like a complex web of influence and authority as opposed to a chain of command

[storm jungle]

Eisenhorn is one of most infamous/talented inquisitors of all time yet he got demoted by some nobody inquisitor lords in a single sector for some crime he didnt do.

so yeah

[ruby sparrow]

you see, because forgiveness is a sin punishable by death

[timid ferry]

Also, the boss gets mad if you wave around the badge too much or without his permission. Most missions require at least a modicum of subtly

[sullen dome]

It all comes down to the power and influence of an individual inquisitor against another, or multiple

[ruby sparrow]

by imperial law, Eisenhorn was supposed to turn one of those inquisitor lords ships into the 40k spacecraft equivalent of a carbomb

or some shit

[timid ferry]

Do well enough and you might get to wave the bosses badge (inquisitorial rosette) on his/her behalf

[ruby sparrow]

so basically even the seemingly orderly inquisition is a political clusterfuck which infights and has vastly different interperetations

[storm jungle]

yes

[arctic talon]

Everything in the Imperium is a cluster tuck

[sullen dome]

The inquisition is one of the most disorganized and politically fucked imperial institutions

[ruby sparrow]

God imagine two inquisitors arguing over just how heretical something is

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[ruby sparrow]

"Yes its heretical but HOW heretical"

[sullen dome]

Outdone only by the administratum

[arctic talon]

Only 2 that are more fucked up Are prolly the Adeptus mechanicus and administratum

[sullen dome]

And do we care
The answer may vary from inq to inq

[arctic talon]

Every single forgeworld is it’s own political entity arguably

[ruby sparrow]

iirc the legal system in 40k is a paradoxical clusterfuck which makes almost no sense and is solely driven by random bullshit

[arctic talon]

It’s like if the UN was a faction in 40k