40k-lore-chat

[arctic talon]

Ffs he’s weaker then some greater daemons

[spark relic]

Nope, doesn't exist, never heard of it, he's in a dimensional pocket outside spacetime

He had a Chaos warband at one point though

[arctic talon]

They still exist

They tried to summon him into real space

[spark relic]

The Sons of Malice

[arctic talon]

It only took 11 psykers

Which is tiny

[lilac wave]

I think Sons of Malice had a relatively recent mention.

[arctic talon]

They did

[spark relic]

Morons, don't they know you can't summon something that doesn't exist?

Fools

No wonder they turned traitor

[arctic talon]

Their summoning ritual failed because the grey knights came in to murder them lol

[stray bluff]

Damn, so i guess the strongest must be Khorne right? I mean there is only war

[arctic talon]

I mean no

The strongest chaos god is always in flux

The big 4 are always about equal

[spark relic]

Imagining some writer being like "we need the GK to kill some heretic astartes" puts hand into hat filled with random warband names "Oh yea this one'll do"

[celest dome]

Nurgle was the most powerful not so long ago

And then Tzeentch shanked him in the back

[spark relic]

Tzeentch is supposed to be the most powerful but actively limits its own power to keep the Great Game going

[arctic talon]

I mean they were mentioned in the csm codex as well

[stray bluff]

But how? Theres war all over

And bloodshed

[arctic talon]

Because change

[celest dome]

Tzeentch was the most powerful at some point, but he can't concentrate all his power

[arctic talon]

Is constant

[spark relic]

Planning, lying, even thinking in a semi-complex way benefits Tzeentch

[stray bluff]

Damn

[celest dome]

Decay happe ever more

Hope is excess

[arctic talon]

Slaanesh is usually the weakest

You need really strong emotions

To feed em

[celest dome]

Slaanesh is the weakest but has the most drive

[stray bluff]

If i had to serve one i would serve Slaneesh

[worn pagoda]

Fun fact: Most Tzeentchian daemons can't count.

[spark relic]

I don't trust you anymore

[worn pagoda]

But almost all Nurgloid daemons count in threes constantly.

[spark relic]

They count to seven as that is the Holy number

[arctic talon]

Nurgles holy number is 7

[worn pagoda]

I haven't slept in 38 hours my bad. I've been doing math all night and my numbers are getting fucked up.

[arctic talon]

Oof

[spark relic]

Khorne is 8, Tzeentch is 9 and Slaanesh is 6 if I recall correctly

[lilac wave]

I mean, we all love to have ketamine fueled, gay orgies in the arbys parking lot, but I think slaanesh would get old fast.

[worn pagoda]

I'm building my first ship in Rogue Trader and though it's fun, and all the math is simple, it's taking a toll.

At least I'm not doing it alone.

[lilac wave]

Good luck and have fun! Rogue trader is super cool with the right group.

[stray bluff]

Not to mention Slaneesh has the sickest Daemon Princes designs

[celest dome]

Malal was 11, GHR is 13 (and 1), Hashut is 15 iirc

[worn pagoda]

Gork (And possibly Mork) Numbers are gay

[spark relic]

Nah that goes to Nurgle, they're coughing and retching constantly

sorry

[celest dome]

At some point we tried to make links between the numbers and their meanings, I think we had a theory with the Tarots

[spark relic]

Numbas ar schtupid

[worn pagoda]

Nurgle is the best of the Chaos Gods. He's practical enough to not waste his time, but relaxed enough to spend time creating STDs just to spite Slaanesh.

Also. Free hugs.

[spark relic]

The Grandfather loves his followers

Because if everything is shit why worry about it?

[worn pagoda]

None of his followers feel pain from rotting inside and out. Unless you're unlucky enough to mutate a counter to your nerve endings melting.

[stray bluff]

But they are so… ewww and disgusting

No flair

[worn pagoda]

Skin-tight leather isn't flair

[lilac wave]

I think I'd go with Tzeench? Like, I'd at least get to roll the bones with a chance becoming a dope ass wizard.

[worn pagoda]

You heard me.

[spark relic]

I love the ending of Lords of Silence where ||Plague Marines use a Nurgle plague to turn civilians into zombies just to piss off Word Bearers||

Nurgle numba one

[celest dome]

If I am a Psyker I'm going with Tzeentch or Undivided, otherwise I'm going with Khorne

[stray bluff]

Nurgle only wants one thing

[spark relic]

Use sickness to fuck with your friends and enemies alike

[spark zenith]

Dumb question, but are there any cool Gaurd regiments from ultramar?

[spark relic]

Probably

There's one featured in Betrayer when Armatura gets invaded by WB and WE

But that's Imperial Army

[arctic talon]

In 40k no

There’s the ultramar auxiliary and pdf forces

But they aren’t imperial guard regiments

[worn pagoda]

So far we've gotten lucky I think with the ship. Nothing's ever a perfect upside in this game. But we got the complication "Adventurous" and the past history "Wrested from a Space Hulk". I personally can't wait for the adventures of the Glorious Resurrection and her crew.

[lilac wave]

Probably wouldn't be a problem with making one if you really wanted to though. That's half the fun in 40k

[spark zenith]

Damn, what a shame, would be quite cool to see

[worn pagoda]

Make one. Always room for a homebrew regiment.

[lilac wave]

Start painting!

[arctic talon]

Yeah

You can def make ur own

[spark relic]

pretty sure some worlds in Ultramar are classed as Guard recruiting worlds though

[arctic talon]

In the realm of ultramar yes

The planet itself is classified as a space marine homeworld

[worn pagoda]

The infinitely spinning gears of war need as much grease as you can make.

[arctic talon]

And technically can’t produce guard regiments

Keyword is technically

[cyan quiver]

Any guards recruits would probably be sucked up into the space marine program

[worn pagoda]

And technically the Mechanicus can't have its own chapters.

Looking at you Steel Confessors

[arctic talon]

Nah

[spark relic]

There's no world called Ultramar, the capital world is Macragge

[arctic talon]

I’m fucking stupid

It’s 3 am

[spark relic]

haha no worries

[arctic talon]

[cyan quiver]

3am is lore time

[arctic talon]

But unironically

Joining the ultramarines is specifically pretty like

[lilac wave]

3am in the morning....it's 5 here.

[arctic talon]

Not awful

[worn pagoda]

A regiment of failed space marine recruits.

There's technically a grace period where you are screened for eligibility and accepted or denied. Theoretically the denied soldiers could be shunted off into a regiment so as not to be wasted.

[celest dome]

Isn't it more like they don't have to pay the Tithe with IG regiments ? So they could still ,ake them if they wanted to but there is no need to (Quite like Necromunda pay part of it's tithe with the Imperial Fist)

[arctic talon]

They don’t need to pay the tithe at all by technicality

[keen stag]

that moment when you realised battlefleet Bakka helped the ultramarines against the nids at maccrage UWU

[arctic talon]

But the ultramarine recruitment process is they test your genetics, if compatible you go through the asperint tests

[worn pagoda]

If this were allowed it would actually possibly be a prestigious regiment as simply reaching the point of being screened for eligibility is a great honor.

[arctic talon]

Otherwise they just let you go

And you live your life

[worn pagoda]

Yeah. The people they let go could instead be filtered into a guard regiment.

[arctic talon]

Would be intresting

[spark relic]

Imma be honest chief, I have no fucking idea what this means lmao

[arctic talon]

Except they’d be normal people

The ultramarine screen genetics first

[worn pagoda]

Most guard regiments are normal people.

[arctic talon]

Before the usual gauntlet of stuff marine recruits go though

Fair enough lol

[worn pagoda]

The worst you get is Catachans and Ogryns

[lilac wave]

Ratlings!

[worn pagoda]

It'd be a very genetically pure regiment devoid of abhumans.

[spark zenith]

Ultramar seems a pretty chill place, wouldn’t mind having a vacation there

[worn pagoda]

That's true

Fucking hobbits

[arctic talon]

It is pretty nice

[worn pagoda]

"You don't quite qualify to enter the Astartes program. If you would like to continue serving our Emperor sign here to join the regiment"

[arctic talon]

Only downside is it’s still in the imperium

[lilac wave]

I feel like ultramar would be a great place for space hobbits too.

[arctic talon]

💀

[spark zenith]

Well atleast they still have their primarch

[stray bluff]

a shame we dont got Skavens

[worn pagoda]

There definitely are not rats in the sewers

No sir

[spark relic]

Imperium are the skaven

Live in hives

use attrition tactics

[keen stag]

just that maccrage was invaded by tyranids and battlefleet bakka came to help the ultramarines fight them off

[lilac wave]

Worship the great horned emprat.

[spark relic]

All hail the Ratperor of Ratkind!

[worn pagoda]

Normally by the time a planet is invaded by the nids it's time to give up and hit the nuke button.

[spark relic]

Ultramar didn't wanna do that

They sent the plot armour chapter

[lilac wave]

He could be a rat. Basically no one has ever seen him for real.

[worn pagoda]

Just glass'em. It's no loss.

[keen stag]

the thing is robout girlyman was still on maccrage in its tube tank so yeah there was no nuking it

[lilac wave]

Yeah I mean, when the nids came for Baal...

[worn pagoda]

If a primarch can't survive an exterminatus while in a super mega coma then he doesn't deserve to lead the Imperium.

[lilac wave]

Took a lot more blood angels huh?

[worn pagoda]

I'ma be real with you chief

[keen stag]

didnt the blood angels allied with the necrons during it ?

[worn pagoda]

After what they did to the Hospitallers?

Fuck the Iron Hands

[keen stag]

what did they do ?

[spark relic]

No but the Silent King was a big fan of Sanguinius

[stray bluff]

so i read about Angron and i must ask the Emperor : Why?

[worn pagoda]

They broke into their flagship, ripped their most venerated warrior out of his dreadnought, and shoved their own guy into it.

Venerable Dreadnought Augustine Galvarro is fucking dead now.

Their Seneschal

[lilac wave]

That's a real chad move though. That's blood raven tier shit.

[spark relic]

What happened was that the daemon ka'Bantha was like "hey they can't shed blood without me like that, let's steal their kills" and then brought a daemon horde down on Ball's moon

[keen stag]

what the fuck ._. i wasnt aware of this omg

[worn pagoda]

This is why First Sergeant Telarrch is alive today.

[lilac wave]

Dude, the desolation of baal goes hard. It's a good space marine book.

[worn pagoda]

This is because the Hospitallers are some small unknown successor of the Imperial Fists.

Nobody hears about the Hospitallers

[lilac wave]

One day Dorn will come back, and he'll care.

[cyan quiver]

it would really come in handy for the imperial fists

[worn pagoda]

Maybe one day the jawas will wake up the Lion from his catnap

Out of every vanished primarch, if you ask me the Lion has the least excuse for staying absent.

[spark relic]

But he's sleeby

[worn pagoda]

Your prince isn't coming Snow White wake up.

[keen stag]

Sleeping Beauty still on the rok

[worn pagoda]

The Lion will wake up, slap Guilliman in the face for allowing the Imperium to reach such a sorry state, then personally charge into the Warp to get his brothers back like a responsible warhero.

[spark relic]

Imagining Russ will somehow hear that Lion is back and return from the Warp

Maybe Corax can come back as well as soon as he's done fucking with Lorgar in the Warp or whatever he's doing

[keen stag]

jagathai will finally reach the end of the webway

[spark relic]

he challenged the Dark Eldar to 10000 years of bike races

Those years are almost up

[lilac wave]

God, will the lion unfuck the dark angels and the unforgiven or will he just fuck them up even worse?

[celest dome]

The Fallen are not to be forgiven, but to be silenced

[worn pagoda]

Maybe then Bjorn can stop somehow having dreams of fighting alongside Russ in the warp despite being in dreadnought stasis.

Emperor wakes up. Which chapter is getting obliterated first?

[spark relic]

Marines Malevolent

no contest

I hate the bastards and so would Emps if he knew they existed

[lilac wave]

He might fedora tip the black templars out of existence.

[worn pagoda]

LOL!

Might?

[spark relic]

Call them idiots and then leave them alone is my guess

[worn pagoda]

He'd declare war on the Ecclesiarchy before his ass left the throne.

[spark relic]

Nah, he'd just erase them

Oops! No more Ecclesiarchy

[worn pagoda]

The Inquisition is getting reformed from the ground up.

Maybe three inquisitors won't be declared heretics

[spark relic]

The High Lords are getting some well deserved time off

And maybe a replacement or 12

[worn pagoda]

What the Imperium really needs right now is Malcador.

Rip

[spark relic]

Our favourite dust pile

I miss him

[worn pagoda]

Dude talked down to primarchs

The Imperium needs a man with balls like that again.

[keen stag]

he almost killed one i dont remember which

[lilac wave]

Horus, almost force choked him to death.

[spark relic]

I remember when Down asked about the Lost primarchs and Malcador literally said "don't worry about it"

[worn pagoda]

IIRC a primarch was about to namedrop the memoryholed primarchs, so Malcador dropped his balls on the table and silenced them only to eat a punch to the face from Horus like it didn't hurt.

[lilac wave]

It was horus he nearly squashed.

Lorgar backhanded him after the razing of monarchia and nearly killed him.

[spark relic]

Malcador also got launched like 15 meters by Lorgar on Monarchia and stood up again like it never happened

[worn pagoda]

But he survived

A human took a backhand from a primarch

[keen stag]

malcador puting horus on its knees https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/a5i17d/excerptthe_last_councilhorus_confront_malcador/

[barren tapir]

Nearly killed Malcador? Ah! Lorgar wished he was that strong...

[cyan quiver]

Malcador is not a human

[barren tapir]

He is, but he is also an extermely powerful psyker

[keen stag]

3rd most powerfull human psyker in imperium history i would say magnus is stronger because he was supposed to be the one making the astronomicon works

[worn pagoda]

My favorite heresy moment was when the Emperor said "You did it Horus Heresy. You really are the Warhammer forty thousand"

[spark relic]

Truly the moment of all time

[wintry junco]

NO FUCKING WAY. Owlcat is making a 40K game??????

My favorite game studio???

Sorry wrong chat

[rough condor]

Do you think Tzeentch actually knows what they are planning? Or are they more of a "If I don't know what I'm doing then neither will they" kind of god of change?

[spark relic]

Yes

and no

Maybe

[rough condor]

The true answer

[stray bluff]

Big E an atheist?

[urban spire]

more like an agnostic, since he knew the gods existed

he wanted people to be atheists

[worn pagoda]

Big E was thoroughly anti-religion though.

He regularly demanded not to be worshipped. The ecclesiarchy would be a massive insult to him.

He specifically did not want to be worshipped as a god.

The only religion he really tolerated was the Cult Mechanicus. Them, he only tolerated because letting the toaster-fuckers have their silly religion was his easiest path to mass-producing warships.

[urban spire]

he would eventually have wiped them out as well, or at least tried to but

well, the cult mechanicus is complicated

it exists for a reason

sort of as a consequence of something the emperor did

[worn pagoda]

He technically could've released a flesh-eating bacteria onto Mars. The kind of exterminatus that leaves the machines intact. But then all of the system's foremost experts would've been dead right when he needed them most for the reunification.

It was a measured allowance. The kind the Emperor often engaged in.

[urban spire]

whoever lives on mars is going to end up worshipping machines

it's a weird little thing with that planet

[barren tapir]

Yes, fully atheist and quite militant

There are no gods, only malevolent entities that like to call themself gods was his stance

[obsidian trellis]

You know… I think Perturabo had a point

[barren tapir]

He had more than one honestly

[obsidian trellis]

Shame there’s so little lore about him ;-;

[celest dome]

Still was a massive C# all the way around

[rough condor]

Is there a decent book about what is under the surface of Mars?

I know of the void dragon shard and that's about it

[obsidian trellis]

He’s certainly a victim of inconsistent writing

[urban spire]

there sure is, but i don't remember the name of it at all

maybe i've got it in my phone actually, hold on

nope, can't find it, sorry

[rough condor]

no worries, I will locate it

[celest dome]

I think it's the story with the young girl who become the oracle or something of the Dragon

So it seem to be the Mechanicum novel and the girl is Dalia Cintera

[still kite]

Not to sidebar & I know this is way too early before Space Marine 2 comes out

I did some research and going through some forums. Yet I'm still a little confused.

Any idea why Titus got demoted and is now an LT instead maintaining his rank of CPT? Granted he cleared suspicion of heresy from close contact with Nemeroth and crossed the Rubicon to become a Primaris Marine.

But little confused why would he go from being a company commander and then back to being a PL. With that time in service, he should still be the CO of 2nd Company. Maybe service to the death watch was justifiable but what are your thoughts?

[rough condor]

I hope we find out in the next game, my suspicion is the demotion was a personal choice

[still kite]

Right, after all he was the next line-up in the chain of command after his previous CO was KIA before the events of Graia (Space Marine 1)

[celest dome]

Didn't he get some problems with the Inquisition at the end of the 1st game ?

Like him being accused by both an Inquisitor and Leandros of being a Heretic.

Maybe to quiet down the problem he was demoted

To keep the peace in a way

[rough condor]

His position as captain would have absolutely been filled in his time away. Perhaps he came back as a normal trooper and has earned his way back up the ranks to prove his loyalty to the chapter once again,

seeing he has a couple more service studs in his brow now

[tidal dome]

Alright, so, heretical question

To make a space muhreen you need a space muhreen.

But not the entirety of it, just two small organs in the chest called the gene seed.

Also those get implanted rather early on, so they can function without the rest of the kit

And it takes I think 10-50 years before you can take those out and make a few new kits of gear out of them

That's long but not too long. Space Marines have Auxilla and on their vessels they are vastly outnumbered by regular dudes. So... rather than implanting those into a new soldiers that go to battle and can get incinerated, why not implant those to the additional staff? Ship's officers, namely, which actually outnumber the marines onboard and don't generally get into fights

[rich sail]

bcs not every one is compatible to accept those implants

[tidal dome]

Right, but why not have a separate set of compatible people who help make new stuff. And a separate set of those who go, kick ass and get incinerated?

[signal bramble]

Because that would break their traditions.

And the progenoid glands don’t work that way.

[tidal dome]

Atoma has 50 billions of people. Necromunda has 100 (In ONE HIVE, and there are MULTIPLE). Surely just by the game of chance, a lot of them would be compatible. Terra has insurmountable amounts of people, so many that nobody really knows, HOW many. Sure they might not make good soldiers, but they don't really have to be.

[signal bramble]

To be implanted with those space marine organs is a sacred tradition to the space marines. They wouldn’t just use it on anyone.

It’s easy for us on the outside to look at things that way but that’s not how the individuals in universe view things.

[tidal dome]

I mean, surely Cowl or how he's called should have done the numbers and figure that in the current state of things those 60k primarises he made are a drop in the ocean. A good drop! But still a drop.

[signal bramble]

He made millions of primaris.

[celest dome]

Sure, but that would be tech heresy and stuff

[tidal dome]

A moment pls

[signal bramble]

Well the exact number is unknown but in avenging son he said he made hundreds of thousands of them that they knew of.

And Guilliman asks him how many he made in total and he whispered the answer, we the read don’t know.

He’s apparently stashed them all over the place like a squirrel.

[signal bramble]

They wouldn’t go through the rituals, prayers, and rites that many times unless they were creating full battle brothers.

Folks have asked “why don’t the Admech just make new stuff?” Because it’s against their religion and they’ll probably be killed if they do. It’s really that simple. 40k is the dark ages in space, it’s a bunch of closed minded people and a stagnant society.

[tidal dome]

"Of the many tens of thousands of Primaris Space Marines created by Belisarius Cawl, only half were initially formed into new Chapters. The rest had been gathered into great armies, each of one gene-line."

Below 100k, or they would have used "Hundreds of thousands" or "millions"

[signal bramble]

Cawl has kept the exact number of primaris a secret known only to him and Guilliman. That quote is only the ones we know about.

(That’s an out GW gave themselves to give them free reign to make up as many primaris as they want and make room for player homebrews.)

[rich sail]

cawl preparing for civil war 2.0 bugaloo

[tidal dome]

You know, the whole point of making something already good better without solving the general issue with them that they are very rare, hard to make and even harder to replenish... meh

Whole story with WW2 Germany and their Mouse tank

[signal bramble]

Yeah in Avenging Son it’s made pretty clear Cawl has them all over the place. Also keep in mind that Cawl was working on them for 10,000 years and didn’t have them out fighting wars and dealing with attrition.

[signal bramble]

The primaris process is supposed to be more efficient and more effective than the old ways to make them faster.

[tidal dome]

Which begs a question why didn't he unveil the whole goddamn thing earlier while it would be a more useful tool rather than a last moment game changer

[signal bramble]

Yeah the entire Cawl plot line is a sticking point with me because it’s goddamn stupid.

And it was easily fixable to.

If they just had Cawl show up and say “hey Guilliman had me design a new generation of weapons and armor.”

It would have made it so much more believable.

[tidal dome]

Or even better "My old fridges broke so here's a project I used to work on with Big E back in the day... Oh, Roboute! What a pleasant surprise! Please give me a donation of all your bodily fluids, look at the thing I can do!"

So rather than using plot twist upon plot twist, having the point that the whole thing wasn't done earlier because he didn't have samples of primarchs. Big E doesn't talk much recently and no way Imperial Fists would allow him to poke at the hand of their beloved Dorn, or Salamanders - to poke at the skeleton they presumed was belonging to Vulcan

[signal bramble]

If you look at it Cawl comes across as a really bad OC.

“He was a double agent during the heresy! He created super space marines with less time and resources than the emperor in secret! He devoured his predecessor and to help maintain himself in his old age!”

[earnest snow]

So...cawl has been testing on primaris for 10k years right? So where did he keep all the primaris marines o_o'''

If I'm reading this correctly anyways*

[signal bramble]

That’s a good question and it deserves an answer.

So anyway.

[earnest snow]

I bet he kept them at the core of Mars. No one would look there

[signal bramble]

The lab on mars is one place yes.

But apparently he’s been storing them all over the place and no one ever noticed.

Look I know it sounds stupid but that is really what the lore writers are going with.

[arctic talon]

Tbf he had a ton on his ship

[signal bramble]

Cawl the Tech Squirrel.

_>

[earnest snow]

Ngl idk too much about the indomitus lore.

[rough condor]

On the topic of "why not stick the glands into normal guys and harvest them later" - the answer to that is many heretic space marine legions do this, which probably means it's not something imperials should do

[earnest snow]

So I just assume Cawl has a super secret underground base where he stores millions of primaris in case a tech heresy is attached to him and people go after him. Otherwise they're just relaxing and practicing taekwondo

[rough condor]

Do you think nobody noticed, or anyone who did has disappeared?

[arctic talon]

He prolly disappeared them

He’s an archmagos

[rough condor]

There's something I know nothing about, what did the first Primaris marines do during their creation process? Was their awakening with Gman their first time being aware of their new lives or have they been waking up and training in their secret development time?

[arctic talon]

He can get away with almost whatever the hell he wants

[arctic talon]

Nah Cawl woke them up all the time to run tests

And check other random things

Before shoving them back into tubes

[signal bramble]

There’s no way that someone didn’t find something in 10k years but I’m sure there were security measures in place.

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Cawl isn’t just a random ass tech priest

[signal bramble]

They were psycho indoctrinated that entire time.

[arctic talon]

Archmagi tend to have a lot of

Power

[signal bramble]

They were training, running tests, being psycho indoctrinated, and taught to use their new weapons and such.

[earnest snow]

Gordon freeman was the DNA foundation for the primaris project

[signal bramble]

Their main weakness was lacking any true battle experience after waking up but that’s been more or less solved by now.

[earnest snow]

Can't wait to see the bunny hopping primaris in the books

[rough condor]

Were they vat grown, recruited, or kidnapped? (or a mix of the above?)

[signal bramble]

The ones we hear about most were kidnapped.

Several of them are actually afraid of Cawl because of that.

And for his part Cawl does feel bad about it but knows it was necessary.

[arctic talon]

Kidnapped mostly

Some were recruited

[earnest snow]

Kidnapped at what age?

[arctic talon]

Young

[earnest snow]

Rip

[signal bramble]

Adolescents.

[arctic talon]

There were some teenagers

[signal bramble]

Single digit ages mostly.

And some teens yeah.

[arctic talon]

But mostly children

There’s a primaris LT that remembers meeting rogal dorn

[rough condor]

like any good recruit in the 40k universe

[earnest snow]

Just as the God emperor intended

[arctic talon]

Lol

[signal bramble]

Keep in mind a single hive city has billions of people in the underhive doing nothing productive and no one cares if a few million suddenly disappear.

It probably happens every day.

[arctic talon]

Me when a small rounding error happens

[rough condor]

Who do you think fixes all the tight to get in machinery in the hives?

Just shove kids inside until it starts again

[signal bramble]

The tech priests.

[rustic spruce]

did tyranids come into the galaxy with meat guns or did they adapt to have them

[arctic talon]

They came with the meat guns

And other stuff

[signal bramble]

They don’t want uninitiated heathens touching the machine gods glorious creation.

[signal bramble]

And probably adapted them to make them more effective.

[arctic talon]

Yep

[earnest snow]

The admech would blow a neural fuse if a kid climbed into the tight spots of the machinery.

[rough condor]

more of the basic stuff is done with labor as far as I can tell, in one of the short stories "once a killer" the protagonist had a childhood of doing just that until he broke a machine trying to save a friend who got caught in it when it started up again

[arctic talon]

If the task is

[signal bramble]

Assembly lines yeah but actually fixing stuff makes me think the tech priest would be unhappy.

[arctic talon]

Tighten a bolt

The admech will prolly shove a child in to do it

[signal bramble]

Tighten a bolt? Without the proper incense and rituals? Heretek!

[arctic talon]

But if it’s calibrate xyz to this specific task

[arctic talon]

Jokes aside tightening a bolt just requires a tiny prayer and some oil lol

Simple tasks don’t have long rituals

[earnest snow]

The kid better not mess up

The machine spirit will be displeased

[arctic talon]

Lol yeah

[signal bramble]

Some folks on Reddit were asking about mosifyinf our gear in Darktide and I made a joke about it being tech heresy that wools piss off mommy hadron and got downvoted. >_>

Some people have no sense of humor.

[earnest snow]

Rip

[arctic talon]

Whip the child until they recite the prayers right

[signal bramble]

The beatings will continue until morale improves.

[earnest snow]

Back to the schola with them. What? They weren't in the Schola? Send them anyways!

[rose mulch]

somebody probably asked this before, but how come the rejects seem to be immune to the taint of Chaos even though they are exposed to it up close in every mission?

[earnest snow]

I assume they're cleansed before being let back on the mourningstar.

Otherwise they're bringing that stuff back to the ship

If not that then idk

[wind heron]

Rejectd prob just built diff

[rapid grove]

The emprah protects, duh

[rose mulch]

real

[rose mulch]

somehow I don't think that's a bulletproof process, otherwise people wouldn't be pop'd when they see Chaos even from afar

[earnest snow]

It's not but somehow it is for us. Maybe they power wash us instead of showering us. Literally hit us with a fire hose

[signal bramble]

I attribute that to a gameplay thing rather than a lore thing.

[rough condor]

There's gotta be a reason an army of expendables are being sent in

Most of us probably don't come back

[signal bramble]

One whiff of that nurgle growth with the tentacles we kill would be enough to infect our lungs. Or just the splashes of poxwalker body juices.

Though if you consider that the poxwalker’s soul is trapped in the body and well aware of what’s happening, killing them is a mercy at least.

[rapid grove]

We don't even get gas masks

[rich sail]

the emperor protects

[rapid grove]

It's all gameplay

We should be dead from 50 nurgle super diseases by now with our gear

[signal bramble]

Well obviously our character should have gone to the cash shop to grab one.

Zealot can get one for a nominal fee. XD

[echo vault]

Does a heresy version of a heavy thunder hammer exist?

I have a need for a big hammer

[signal bramble]

Worldbreaker. The personal hammer of Horus himself.

Personally made by Big E himself.

[echo vault]

Oh shit cool, it just fits as a praetor weapon

Forgebreaker

[signal bramble]

That’s a different weapon.

Forgebreaker was used by ferrous manus.

[echo vault]

It's a primarch wepon

[signal bramble]

Perturabo still has forgebreaker. Abaddon smashed Worldbreaker.

[echo vault]

Cool, thanks

[barren tapir]

Mace* worldbreaker was a mace not an hammer

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-alert-bumper-adam-devine-pitch-perfect-lame-gif-17474980

[barren tapir]

Yes, i'm a certified nerd 🤓 😔 😎

[signal bramble]

Eww nerds in my warhammer 40k.

[celest dome]

Nerds ! In your Warhammer !

This may be more likely than you think

[cinder belfry]

What is the difference between Scabs, Dregs and Infected? I know some of these are active worshippers and I'm pretty sure the infected are mindless little ghouls to throw around. Am I correct in this?

[prime horizon]

Ok i'm curious, anyone know anything about that "sister hive city" that pops up every once in awhile?

[prime horizon]

Scabs are gangers and cultists,
Dregs are traitor guardsmen
Infested are pox walkers and hounds

[barren tapir]

You swapped scabs and dregs lol

[celest dome]

Scabs are Traitor Guards
Dreg are the Admonition cult
Infected are the Poxwalkers

[cinder belfry]

I'm very new so you're gonna need to define those as well

I literally just got into 40k through this game

[prime horizon]

Wait did they change it since the beta?

[celest dome]

Traitor Guards are simply Imperial Guardsmen who joined Chaos

[barren tapir]

If they wear rags they are dregs, if they wear armour they are scabs, if they are half naked or naked they are infected

[celest dome]

The Admonition cult is a Nurglite cult

[barren tapir]

No, it is always been this way, scabs were traitor guard and dregs the cult already present

[prime horizon]

Ah my mistake

[prime horizon]

I got you hold up

[barren tapir]

An innocent one, don't worry, we are not the imperium

[cinder belfry]

but don't do that again though

inquisition don't mess around

also thank you for clarrifying

[signal bramble]

Keep in mind those are more gameplay designations than actual lore points for the most part.

[celest dome]

Well they still have some lore distinction

[signal bramble]

The designation seems to matter more relative to gameplay and achievements tbh.

[cinder belfry]

If i tell a non-darktide playing 40k fan about Scabs and Dregs, would they know what I mean?

[signal bramble]

Not likely.

But if you said “traitor Guard” and “cultists” and “poxwalkers” they would.

[prime horizon]

@cinder belfry

this is a good introduction to chaos in Warhammer 40k, there is also a little be of lore on the scabs
But basically the guys we are fighting worship this ( specifically Nurgle) https://youtu.be/JpLLMMAO2tk

[cinder belfry]

the only other thing i ever watched about 40k was a youtuber named Bricky's video about all the space marine legions

[signal bramble]

There’s a lot of 40k lore on YouTube and of course you’re welcome to ask here.

[cinder belfry]

but that's because I've watched that guy for years and I like his content

[prime horizon]

Bricky is the podcast host

[signal bramble]

Hell DM me as well if you have any lore questions. I love talking 40k lore.

[cinder belfry]

so far i like fulfilling the emperor's will and purging heretics so 👍 from me

[dusk patrol]

I have come to explain lore and kill heretics

[arctic talon]

Poggers

[dusk patrol]

And I’m all out of heretics

Unless someone brings up a Krieg meme

[crisp heath]

Shovel

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-i-will-get-you-kill-gif-19790538

[crisp heath]

You will try

[crisp heath]

Gas masks

Something something shooting the commissar something something

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-mega-bonk-bonk-dog-bonkers-bonk-anime-gif-24565990

[crisp heath]

Now that that’s out of the way let us discuss actual lore

@dusk patrol

[dusk patrol]

But we’ve derailed the channel enough

[ruby sparrow]

40k writing idea: Is an ork warband based on top gear a good idea?

[crisp heath]

[dusk patrol]

With most 40k writing the question is more: can you write it good?

[crisp heath]

Speed freaks make da carz go fastest

[ruby sparrow]

I mean I write it as a shitpost mostly, seeing as its top gear.

[dusk patrol]

Oll we no iz ‘es called da steeg”

[ruby sparrow]

Its a warband with three bosses, oddly. Squig'Mound, Jamz'Mey, and Carcl'Sun

the steeg is a krork

I feel like this is both a shitpost and a genuinely good writing idea

[hoary saffron]

Is there a book series focused on orks?

[severe trout]

What's that lever on the side of a lasgun, some kind of bolt release analogue?

[dusk patrol]

There’s a few books

Not so much a series currently

Ghaz has a book called Prophet of the Waaagghhh

War of the Beast technically is one but uh

Yeah don’t

It sucks

[devout oxide]

The one warhammer series i havent even had the courage to attempt, and i read the blood raven books lol

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s just bad

Really really bad

[slender orchid]

Point of view. It feels nonsensical in the setting with scale and stuff, but especially as a standalone series it is super entertaining

~6000 odd Imperial Fist successors, three Navy battle groups, and two Guard armies determine the fate of the Imperium. What the 150,000+ Ultramarines, 20,000+ Dark angels, all other legions/chapters, etc are doing, plus the majority of the Guard and Navy is handwaved away. Why no-one else fights for Terra.
If you can get over that colossal stupidity it fills in some lore nicely.

[signal bramble]

I assumed it was some kind of charge switch. Power pack inserted, charge the weapon, and then lasers.

[severe trout]

I guess that makes sense!

[rustic spruce]

i wonder what the very bottom of a hive city is like

[dusk patrol]

I don’t hate the concept but the execution was abysmal

Which ends up mattering a lot more for a good series

[celest dome]

I mean, all books are like that, heck I've read WW1 or 2 novels where the fate of the war was changed by a Gary Stue (Though there has been moment in the WW that were very pivotal and could have changed history)

[gleaming heron]

Could Tyranids potentially appear in the future in Darktide? Or are they more of a Exterminatus/Space Marine kind of threat?

[gleaming heron]

or Genestealers in a lesser form

[signal bramble]

Probably a genestealer cult yeah.

A whole hive fleet planetary invasion though? I doubt it.

[celest dome]

Tyr: No way, we can't really do the same types of missions
Genestealer: Could be, but wouldn't make much sense if there is any overlap of units like how the Dreg and the Scab do

[shell canopy]

Is there a lore explanation for Dark Tide’s toughness mechanic blocking bullets and being powered by proximity to friendlies?

[celest dome]

Not really

At least no official one

But there can be a few thing that we can run with:
Zealot: Rosarius or Shield of Faith
Psyker: Telekine Protection or something to do with Divination

Most likely still Faith for all

[rustic spruce]

let's just have them greenskin boys roll up on atoma

[shell canopy]

Ogryn: meaty

[celest dome]

Would not make much sense with the current missions and such

Also I like the Fish name

[shell canopy]

You know, it actually would’ve been cool to call ‘toughness’ as ‘faith’ because faith is our shield or some shit

If it’s a hand wavey mechanic, just lean into it as ‘The Emperor protects idk?” as the explanation

[gleaming heron]

Since the hub is the Mourningstar who knows maybe we could travel to another planet that has an Ork WAAAAGHH going on instead of Atoma Prime's Nurglish deeds

[celest dome]

So it would end up as a fully new game

[haughty lodge]

not an official one, no

but there's a pretty nice fanon theory that I saw on reddit a few days ago that makes perfect sense to me and is exactly the sort of thing that Dan Abnett would write

(beyond the simple explanation of "Fatshark has mimicked certain tabletop mechanics with the accompanying names")

simply put, the theory states that practically speaking there's no goddamn way that our soldiers could possibly survive in these circumstances for even one mission, let alone 30. But Grendyl is an extremely powerful psyker who has cultivated these penal legions because they have nothing left to lose and can be broken down and remolded into his shock troops. He indoctrinates them into a warrior cult and avoids showing his face so that they can all impart their own mental images of him into their psyches and bond with their comrades. Then, by utilizing their shared warrior zeal, he emboldens them with biomancy, allowing them to shrug off multiple wounds that should be utterly fatal. As the psychic power is connected to their cult, they regenerate toughness only beside other cult members or by their own independent talents.

Similar, in essence, to how Abnett has written Gideon Ravenor as being able to puppet peoples' bodies as avatars despite himself being immobile. Long-range puppetry would be much harder than long-range biomancy augmentation, so it's not remotely outside the realm of plausible psyker powers, and allows the gameplay conceit of handfuls of penal legion conscripts fending off literal Daemonhosts and legions of Nurglites.

And it's called Toughness instead of Faith because, well, "Fatshark has mimicked certain tabletop mechanics with the accompanying names. Toughness in this game is pretty conceptually similar to Toughness in the tabletop.

[shell canopy]

That’s more than sufficient to maintain my suspension of disbelief

[spark relic]

And using curios that boost toughness just means your character believes that their little trinkets and religious fetishes actually protect them

Which, according to this theory, would mean they actually DO protect them

I like it

[shell canopy]

We’re basically like Orkz with more ritual

[spark relic]

Rejects together strong

https://tenor.com/view/ape-alone-weak-ape-together-strong-msnbc-stand-together-we-must-unite-together-we-are-strong-gif-25095989

[signal bramble]

Believing something holds power. That’s established in the lore after all!

[reef flicker]

There's a better concept already present in Dark Heresy and it is simply fate and fate points. Aka plot armor. Aka the emperor's blessing.

[rustic spruce]

man i hope we get lightning claws in darktide

i wanna run around like a crack addled wolverine

[reef flicker]

Give me a power fist.
After they buff the thunder hammer to be good.

[haughty lodge]

There's a different concept already present

and I like this one better

too many games and fanwank lean in on the notion of the Emperor being an active, sentient force manipulating destiny through the Warp. It's more like he's powerful and can be drawn upon in moments of extreme need, but that any "divine intervention" comes as a result of the participant themselves and their faith than it does his independent machinations

having a source of power that's localized and concrete in the form of a potent psyker using our faith as a conduit is more concrete and lore-appropriate for me than "The Emperor willed that we did not die, so be it"

[signal bramble]

It’s the usual issue with any series. Faith in big E does whatever the author needs it to for the story.

Hell the 9th edition launch trailer shows faith in big E extinguishing gauss energy.

[haughty lodge]

"comes as a result of the participant themselves and their faith than it does his independent machinations"

I didn't say faith wasn't a powerful force in 40k. I'm saying that fate isn't a powerful force, at least insofar as notions that it derives from the direct actions of the Emperor

[signal bramble]

Like I said, it does whatever they need it to in the story.

Warp/belief shenanigans gives the authors free reign to hand wave away just about anything.

[haughty lodge]

The Emperor is a caged entity that sometimes directs powerful warp bullshit in the direction of a person who sufficiently believes that it will

[reef flicker]

Pretty sure more modern lore has turned old emps into a literal God by virtue of all the belief in him interacting in the warp. It wasn't what he wanted or even predicted. But it is what happened.

[haughty lodge]

not disputing that that's what's happening

but he's still a caged god

in most instances his warp signature is bound to the Astronomican, and instances of divine intervention are occurring because of humans' faith/wishes as opposed to him sitting down and deciding how to move shit around like some human version of Tzeentch

[rustic spruce]

you know what this warband needs

longshanks

[barren tapir]

🤣

[rose thorn]

Just finished lords of silence, now listening to the hollow king

[earnest snow]

Gotta love when faith and the emotiom attached to it does some whacky stuff. 40k really do be the grimdark of all time

And I love it for that

[dusk patrol]

https://tenor.com/view/saltzpyre-saltzpyre-no-warrior-priest-no-saltzpyre-warrior-priest-no-vermintide-gif-24413806

[scenic sun]

didn't some eldar shit themselves when they saw Big E's shadow in the warp?

well, shadow, more like a blinding supernova light

[dusk patrol]

In War of the Beast

Throneworld think

They teleport to Terra and freak out for a sec

But then realize he is never gonna notice them

[echo vault]

40k equivalent of LiveLeak or bestgore would be fucking insane

[celest dome]

Only site that is hosted in the Blood Realm

Khorne is the Head moderator

[arctic talon]

40k liveleak of a haemonculi coven

[signal bramble]

Yeah though not many would likely use it since the average hive scum doesn’t have the internet or an equivalent.

[timid ferry]

:/

[thick cedar]

Are our Psykers sanctioned Psykers or is it complicated?

[arctic talon]

They’re probably sanctioned seeing as they don’t fucking explode or get possessed by the daemon host

Or they’re a psyker who’s undergone some form of training

[thick cedar]

We sorta do kinda explode but hard to say if thats just for gameplay

[signal bramble]

Not per the lore background.

Unsanctioned.

[storm jungle]

Nah, the harlequins were just impressed, not scared.

Mostly because they realised Big E was more or so just a hydro-electric dam

[signal bramble]

It’s complicated.

If you read the background options your character never actually went to the black ships to get sanctioned or sacrificed.

[thick cedar]

Theres dialogue about wondering what it would be like to visit tera too. I ask because im reading about the soul-binding psykers go through when sanctioned

and wasnt sure if you need to be physically there or if its done differently

[storm jungle]

Not all psykers go through that treatment

most deemed below average get succ'd

And the soul-binding is only for Astropaths iirc

[signal bramble]

The backstory shows that the psyker never got sanctioned and had some measure of practice and learning in using their power.

But they never got sanctioned.

Take a look at them if you ever feel so inclined.

[dusty notch]

@timid ferry that's honestly disgusting hahahaha

[short thicket]

whats better wikia or the lex

[blazing minnow]

In the Space Marine 2 gameplay trailer, is Titus rocking a Primaris Incursor bolt carbine with the Occulus scope?

[timid ferry]

10,000 years, Cawl. 10,000 years

[storm jungle]

Basically, best summary i can give:

Lexicanum :
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder. He hates wizards and loves berzerkers"

Wikia :
"Khorne is the god of blood and murder, murderous blood and bloody killing. He is sated by acts of murder and blood. Warriors of blood and murder call to Khorne and Khorne demands of them blood and murder. Every time a bloody murderer wants to commit murdery blood, he invites Khorne into him. Khorne despises wizards and uses bloody murder to murder out all of the wizard blood. Khorne has no wizards, and hates them. Khorne favors only the bloodiest of murderers for his blood murdering.

[short thicket]

hmmm

[storm jungle]

Lexi mostly focuses on summaries while the Wiki copy pastes stuff from official material like codexes/army-books without any editing most of the time lol

[short thicket]

i thought the lex was more accrute with its soruces

[storm jungle]

It mostly is yeah

wiki just copy pastes + drags the subject

[short thicket]

and the wiki has a history of having some unoffical shit in it as well

[storm jungle]

Lexi has a bit of its own issues but its deffo the better site imo

[rose reef]

I've read the whole Horus Heresy..waiting for the game

[storm jungle]

55 books?

[dusk patrol]

Not including shorts, the Siege, and novellas or the spin-off character books

[arctic talon]

Lmfao

[opal geyser]

Peddler 138 pls

give me a new power sword

I have been using the same one for nearly 15 levels

[safe whale]

one day i want to see a good representation of what the thunder warriors were rocking, sry bit of a tangent, but so many bolter varietns. AND if any survived the pruge.

[opal geyser]

PEDDLER I BEG YOU

[twin crescent]

why do the psykers call each other sibling?

[worn pagoda]

My Rogue Trader GM is making me roll up the important officers aboard my ship.

Joke's on him. I convinced him to let me have my chief engineer be a Jokaero.
I can't wait to have digital weapons.

[crisp heath]

They suffer through a lot in life being that they are psykers so they see each other as family

[echo vault]

Zealots: Call each other pilgrims
Psykers: Call each other siblings
Ogryn: Call each other pals
What do veterans call each other?

[arctic talon]

Soldier

I think?

[safe lotus]

5 ppl in s lobby

[crisp heath]

What’s the most mundane bit of lore that you guys find super fascinating?

[twin seal]

@twin crescent Not just that. Sanctioned psykers are all soul-bound to the Emperor, so they are connected by something deeper than blood.

[echo vault]

Not really mundane but I like how chapters of space Marines treat the idea of being a dreadnought, especially comparing a chapter like ultramarines or iron hands to the white scars

[hushed kayak]

corpse starch

[twin seal]

The way time works in different places and with different races.

[echo vault]

Most Chapters: Being a dreadnought is being a beacon of knowledge and tradition for the chapter, the chapters soul made manifest
White Scars: LIFE IS PAIN I HATE

[crisp heath]

So how do they manage such a tightly knit bureaucracy when everybody’s not synced in time

This isn’t such a time zone thing

I imagine it’s a lot more extreme lol

[echo vault]

Are there skull production factories

[twin seal]

The Imperium bases everything off of Tera's time.

But the Eldar believe time isn't a straight line. It's cyclical.

[hushed kayak]

what other places have different time compare to the regular? i know the warp, webway, and commorragh are the big ones

[twin seal]

Then, time doesn't really exist in the Immaterium.

It's like, the immaterium vs the materium

Then all the races of the materium do their own thing

The Eldar are the weirdest species when it comes to time though

[crisp heath]

I like how paper still exists in the 41st millennium

[twin seal]

Commorragh is just the webway really, but Aelindrach is the weird ass time shit

[crisp heath]

You’d think that such an advanced society would forego the use of paper lol

Why do people think our 4 characters couldnt kill a space marine

[twin seal]

I remember a titan book where a woman would journal and explain how expensive paper was. She had a journal made of skin.

[crisp heath]

But, then again, people do enjoy writing things down with pen and paper so maybe paper wouldn’t be extinct after all

[crisp heath]

Try brain bursting on Heresy

[twin seal]

It was insinuated it wasn't human, but it was so strange regardless

[crisp heath]

See how you like it

[crisp heath]

That’s kinda cool

[crisp heath]

a single plasma gun shot could do it, the brainbursting is just for stuns and a kill if it is able to get off

[twin seal]

The other wives made fun of her because writing is outdated i guess

[crisp heath]

What would the Imperium of Man even need trees for?

[crisp heath]

wood

I’m dumb

[twin seal]

I dont think there are plants at all on terra anymore

That shit is gooonneee

[crisp heath]

But what uses would wood be for in the 41st millennium

[crisp heath]

wooden stocks on rifles

Are there wood stocks on the guns in the game?

yea

Gotta love the small things you don’t notice

[still lotus]

building houses

[crisp heath]

Isn’t everything in the hive cities made out of sheet metal or some shit lol

that would be so heavy the city would sink into the ground

[twin crescent]

I wasn't sure if our player psykers were soul bound or not, I was reading about the psyker classifications/levels and was also wondering where we were placed

[echo vault]

warhammer 40,000: Brazil

[crisp heath]

thats just an irl favela

[twin seal]

No one who isn't sanctioned is allowed to use psyker powers.

[echo vault]

I'd play a warhammer parody game called favelatide

[twin seal]

They'd let the Emperor consume your shit

[echo vault]

hive favelas

[twin crescent]

yea I know about the sanctioned thing just thought I read that not all psykers were soul bound since it actually reduced their power

[crisp heath]

Sanctioned psykers don’t always have to be soul bound do they?

[twin seal]

I swore that in order to become sanctioned, you had to take some of the emperor's energy

Which equals the soul-bind

[twin crescent]

"Not all Imperial psykers undergo soul-binding; some, like Space Marine Librarians, are recruited and trained according to the traditions of each Chapter; they will not be chosen if they lack the requisite power and willpower to avoid daemonic possession. Others, including many Inquisitors who are also psykers, also possess the requisite level of ability and mental self-control to avoid the ritual's risks and are chosen directly from the Schola Progenium to undergo psychic training. "

[twin seal]

We're just normal people though

I get a librarian because they go through like 20+ years of shit

[echo vault]

Are Aquilon terminators still around in 40k? Or did they switch to allarus

I'd assume both exist since they're just too good to just mothball

[twin crescent]

I think it would depend, like the loner for instance was basically on the run and managed to not become possessed or lose control their entire life

[twin seal]

And inquisitors are so high up on the food chain that they only report to other inquisitors or the emperor

[twin crescent]

might not necessarily mean they are super powerful just have good self control

[twin seal]

I didnt say they were powerful

I mean that they do have better self control

Which is why you rank up

[twin crescent]

I was talking about the player psykers not inquisitors

[hushed kayak]

low tier

[twin seal]

Yea, it isnt impossible, but they are prisoners

They arent worth the risk

Non-sanctioned psykers have a dumb high chance of ripping holes in the materium

[crisp heath]

Based

[echo vault]

Is the helmet for decoration or does it actually hold the marines head and other parts in that center piece not deeper inside

Would Custodes dual wield weapons like this?

[rich vale]

It probably actually has their head even if it seems like it would be a weakpoint.

[zinc trellis]

this might be a pretty rudimentary question but who are we fighting in the game? it seems like a mix of some sort of infected and an opposing faction?

[rustic spruce]

mostly a nurgle cult

a decent chunk of it is the moebian traitor regiment

[arctic talon]

It’s decoration

[arctic talon]

They still exist, the usage entirely depends on the personal taste of the custodes

[echo vault]

I think a combined force of both would be effective, its kinda like custodian guard vs saggitarium which is allarus uses a bit more melee oriented stuff like guardian spears/axes while aquilon uses long range weapons and such

I just wanna see them together they're both good designs

[worn pagoda]

There was a species of abhumans evolved to better live in low-gravity areas. Long and lanky. What were they?

[celest dome]

Longshank

[worn pagoda]

Ty

Do we know if any of the 40k ttrpgs have rules for Jokaero?

[rustic spruce]

man i sure hope we get an attilan rough rider skin one day

[worn pagoda]

Isn't there a case of a power-sword without a blade?

[celest dome]

Sollex something blade

[fresh hinge]

For some of the scars in-game, they are long scars riddled with "X" shaped injuries surrounded by bruising, is it known what caused those markings? Is it supposed to be some futuristic stitching? Some of the patterns the X marks are in seem too random to be stitch marks, not to mention the presence of bruising still around the wounds

[celest dome]

Sollex Aegis energy blade

[wintry junco]

Why is Inquisitor Grendyl so under-equipped? Where are the legions of inquisitorial stormtroopers and grey knights? Does he just lack pull?

Or is this specific operation in Darktide like an espionage and reconaissance one

[thin breach]

okay i need some insight by u lore fanatics, would there be a possibility for a zealot of the omnissiah?

[worn pagoda]

Yes

Literally every tech-priest. Especially Mars tech-priests.

They are literally all zealots of the Omnissiah. If that answer doesn't suit you, then Tech-Priests, Explorators, Enginseers, and literally anyone and everyone else classically trained in the Cult Mechanicus.

Explorators and Enginseers are probably more what you're thinking though. Combat Tech-Priests.

[thin breach]

yeah it answers alot, then it would technically be lore friendly to make a combat tech-priest typ character for the game no?

[worn pagoda]

It is highly unlikely for that to happen.

Odds are low a penal legionnaire is going to be allowed enough augmentations to properly surpass the guards.

They would be restricted to sensory augmentations. Optical replacements. Olfactory replacements. Odds are low they'd be allowed respiratory augmentations, as that limits how the guards can restrain them non-violently if they revolt.

They would not be allowed synskin, subdermal plating, or cranial plating. They would be barred from augur arrays and auspex augmentations.

Actually they might be allowed the likes of synskin, subdermal plating, and cranial plating. Those would make interesting lore explanations for such a character having only robes for armor.

However, we're overlooking the main reason you would never see this kind of character in the setting of Darktide.

The Cult Mechanicus and all its agents are the purview of the Cult Mechanicus. This is to say an Enginseer or Explorator would never be sent to a penal battalion. They'd be turned into a servitor.

A murder-servitor class would be funny. But more realistically we'll get the ratling sniper in 40% of the character banter.

[thin breach]

hmm, couldnt there be a servitor re engineered into a very low level combat unit to retrieve something from this planet?

[worn pagoda]

Yes they're called murder-servitors.

They get neat little chainswords for arms and mega-clamps.

[celest dome]

Yes, but it would need to come with a new Archetype

[worn pagoda]

But herein rises another problem.

Murder-servitors don't just walk around the bridge.

[celest dome]

And can't really become part of the Warband

[worn pagoda]

They are expressly kept in stasis until needed so they don't rot.

[mystic geyser]

@thin breach electro priests...

[worn pagoda]

Just like dreadnoughts.

[worn pagoda]

All tech-priests.

Anyone you meet that can speak techna-lingua is morally an Omnissian Zealot.

[mystic geyser]

Sure, but they aren't combat specialists

[celest dome]

Tech Priest are to high importance, Skitarii somewhat too, Servitor couldn't become part of the Warband

That leave us with Tech Adepts and Menials, who then under the Inquisition would become Skitarii like or Techpriest like

[celest dome]

There are Combat Tech Priest

Secutor

[worn pagoda]

True. I guess Explorators are used primarily in the service of Rogue Traders. So you'd never see one on this Inquisitor's ship. Not as part of the crew, much less a prisoner.

And Enginseers are a military thing.

[celest dome]

There are Acolyte from the Admech

Reclaimator for example

Wich would be a good Class for the Archetype

[worn pagoda]

The closest you're getting in terms of servitors are murder-servitors. But they're kept in stasis when not in active use, and they don't talk.

It'd be a boring and horrific class. Body horror incarnate.

[celest dome]

(Taking in notion that Archetype is what you start as, Class is what you become)

[thin breach]

wouldnt there be a chance of someone going through some kind of augmentations, preparing for assimilation into the cult, that couldve become a prisoner?

[celest dome]

Tech Adepts and Menials

[worn pagoda]

It'd be better overall if you were allowed to purchase or unlock augmentations instead.

Any mad bastard can get subdermal plating.

It's just plates under your skin.

Have them follow a similar tree to the class bullshit as you level.

+25 toughness for subdermal plates.

[celest dome]

Nah have the augment take the spot of the tattoo and the cosmetic

[worn pagoda]

If you want purely cosmetic augmentations sure.

But I meant for every player.

[thin breach]

tech adepts seem like something that could theoretically function in this then ye?

[celest dome]

And have the talents separate from it to not force a meta

[worn pagoda]

Cybernetics. Some are commonplaces.

[celest dome]

Yes

[worn pagoda]

Not really.

[celest dome]

Still should remain as purely cosmetic

[worn pagoda]

Again. Our prisoners are working with an inquisitor.

[thin breach]

i mostly ask, because i think the omnissiah is the way to go, when it comes to 40k

[worn pagoda]

That means we're the property of the inquisition.

Anyone that has been or was being trained by the Mechanicus is property of the Mechanicus.

[celest dome]

Which is why we wouldn't be Tech Priest, but low enough member wouldn't be protected by the Admech

[mystic geyser]

Skitarii would work. They have a cool range of exotic weapons.

[celest dome]

And anyway it's entirely dependent on how Abnett and the FS dev want to do it

[mystic geyser]

Abnetts Skitarii were bananas. Completely different to the eventual gw line

[worn pagoda]

The inquisitor would never get away with stealing Mechanicus property with Hadron onboard.

[celest dome]

That what you think

[mystic geyser]

Idc if they'd wronged her in any way

[celest dome]

A lot of Admech member don't care about the lower cultists

[mystic geyser]

Yeah admech value of human life is nil

[worn pagoda]

Well you're allowed to be wrong.

[mystic geyser]

As long as the augmentations were returned

[thin breach]

there could be a backstory specific for that class, where u were sent here, through the penal system, as an implant in this operation, to get something specific for the planet or that this planet need not fall to chaos, because of some 5d chess move

[celest dome]

Yes you are, it remain in the hand of GW, Abnett and FS. But no lore is strictly prohibiting the inclusion of Admech based character

[thin breach]

and what you hear from the people "owning you" is that its very weird that someone from adeptus mechanicus would end up there

[worn pagoda]

It'd most likely be relegated to being a new backstory choice.

Not a class.

[thin breach]

yeah maybe

it'd be fun though

then if u could get some augmentations n stuff in cosmetics i guess

i just want to praise the omnissiah as a zealot ngl

[celest dome]

Not a class but an Archetype

[worn pagoda]

Cool

[celest dome]

So in 2/3 years at the soonest

[bronze trellis]

As far as dlc enemies are concerned, I think a great fit would be a genestealer cult. A lot of the models and skeletons could transfer over for the standard enemies, but you can get specials in the way of abominations and hybrids, with actual bosses being a purestrain genestealer

[celest dome]

I would prefer a full Chaos, with 3 other cults for the 3 remaining gods, that way you can keep most maps and still make sense and have overlaps over the different enemy

[final solar]

Check out the game Mechanicus, praise the Omnissiah and venerate the blessed machine.

[final solar]

I see this happening 100%

[final solar]

Slaaneshi cults would make the games rating skyrocket

[bronze trellis]

@final solar Also a matter of the other chaise gods not really fitting a horde based shooter. Slaneesh recruits the decadent and perfectionists, and their daemons focus on intense speed and damage. Tzeentch works great as a conspiracy backdrop, but again, their focus on warp and magic phenomena would be difficult to play against as a common enemy. Khorne could fit the best, but even the chafe of Khorne might overwhelm a team of guardsman. It's themic for Nurgle to be the Chaos god behind everything. He and his followers are grinding you away via entropy and decay as you play each mission, and he has lore friendly reasons to have rotting chafe and durable, meaty elites

[final solar]

I do hope we get games that focus a bit more on the other Chaos Gods though. Between Vermintide, Darktide and Chaos-Gate i think Nurgle is a little overrepresented.

Imagine a horror game taking place in Tzeentch’s labyrinth, or a Boomer Shooter where you play as a Noise Marine ala Overkill

[crimson kayak]

Nurgle is the new khorne

[ripe ravine]

nurgle is an easy lay up for zombie horde enemies

[crimson kayak]

Except even more troped out considering they mostly use him as "muh zombies"

[storm jungle]

Eh as long takes on zombies on original i dont mind it

[final solar]

Yeah, he works well for video games - i get why

[storm jungle]

Poxwalkers are a good addition

[final solar]

But there’s a lot of missed potential with 40k as a setting

[storm jungle]

Yeah uh

welcome to 40k

GW has been doing that for 30 years

[final solar]

Hiveworld Slaanesh 40k horror immersive sim when

[storm jungle]

thats just [insert american meme state here]

[final solar]

Been here, got the t-shirt, got the pile of shame

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, could have chaos undivided and just have the specialists be god based, considering not all of the horde enemies are pox walkers

[storm jungle]

Poxers make up the bigger amount usually, the other half is cultists

[scenic sun]

or moebian 6th

[ripe ravine]

imo its more likely we see something like genestealer cults than a second chaos god

[final solar]

World of Goo style physics game featuring nurglings

There you go

Million dollar idea

[ripe ravine]

different faction, can use a lot of the same models

[storm jungle]

Cant wait for Tzeentch based enemies to get added in and then people complain about them being too OP/Broken

[final solar]

Them being changed every patch, this pleases Tzeentch

[scenic sun]

"Sorry, tzeenchian sorcerers CAN and WILL turn you inside out, just to reconfigure you into a chair. Gotta keep you changing!"

[storm jungle]

Mfer is gonna be a prop for the rest of the match fr

https://tenor.com/view/funny-as-hell-beat-saber-prop-hunt-gif-19318537

[scenic sun]

They stole that trick from the dark eldar

truly an innovative idea

[crimson kayak]

Tbf, going with the lore I'm already unsure how our characters survive in nurgle infested enviroments

[scenic sun]

no shit?

[storm jungle]

LITERALLY.

[ripe ravine]

they say there are like containment protocols on the mourningstar but tbh just try not to think about it

[scenic sun]

no one but spees marines or the oil covered homos would be able to do what we do

or a good squad of scions, i guess

[final solar]

Emperor Protects ™️

[ripe ravine]

"if you're wondering how they eat and breathe and other science facts, just repeat to yourself its just a game I should really just relax"

[scenic sun]

^

headcannon is we actually fight like 20x less enemies than we do in the missions

[ripe ravine]

but yeah we'd all be dead of plague

[final solar]

Tzeentchian influence, he wants Nurgle to fail and is influencing our characters

[scenic sun]

you sure khorne isn't the one taking a hold of zealot?

that man/woman has anger issues

[storm jungle]

Khorne is taking a hold on all of us after we see the Penances

[ripe ravine]

blood for the god-emperor is a pretty deep fire caste cut

[scenic sun]

nah that's just me coming closer to my brain blood vessels bursting

[celest dome]

If they do Genestealer they can't really use any of the current set pieces

[scenic sun]

Remove the chaos grafitti and you got it

[misty urchin]

i cant wait to see new Ghazghkulls wagh over angron for killing yarrik

[barren tapir]

With the exception that yarrick wasn't killed by angron yeah, it gonna be fun...

[timid ferry]

Has it been confirmed or not? That’s the rumor

[barren tapir]

Nope

[craggy gyro]

need a youtube channel that explains the lore correctly if any1 got one, I would read the books but I can't right now so I'll settle for videos till I can

[barren tapir]

Fear not Dilara, it was just a whoopie for how they are phrased, not because they are awfully designed like the rest of the awful design of every part of the game uh uh... Not that FS isn't acknowledging that they messed up bug time uh uh, it is jus miscomunications uh uh

[timid ferry]

Lame. GW couldn’t market a hot dog stand

[misty urchin]

its not confirmed but there is the rumour, so

man, what a disgusting comment, really. like i were idiot or something

this mongo

[barren tapir]

It is a dumb rumor though, especially since it is based on a clearly false base, the skull that started the rumor was a SM skull, but people who don't know jackshit about lore said that it was yarrick and boom the meme was born

[barren tapir]

You are not an idiot, at least i think you aren't one, you are just misinformed

[timid ferry]

It’s a rumor because people want it to be real. If they are killing Yarrick, we want closure and Orks vs Chaos over Yarrick’s death provides that

Also it’s just plain awesome

[barren tapir]

It is a rumor because people misinterpreted a skull on a mini... Otherwise no one would have thought about it

People that know the lore of yarrick would know

[barren tapir]

This would be more for the meme channel but eh, i'm no warden, and i care not too much anyway

[timid ferry]

I mean, it’s not far off what Ghazghkull’s actual reaction would be

[barren tapir]

It is

This story is reaching the same level of krieg shovel meme situation

[timid ferry]

Nah, he’s an Ork. Enemy and ‘friend’ aren’t so different for them. Fightins all the same and ol’ Yarrick provided some of the best

Also, the lore would be better if GW ran with the memes.

[barren tapir]

Debatable

[crimson kayak]

I mean, we still gonna get Angron vs orks anyway if we consider the Angron model image with the nob and kommando behind

[barren tapir]

Who know... What we know is that a ritual to bring angron on armageddon got stopped by the salamanders

[gusty sequoia]

is space marine game set after comic or before

[crimson kayak]

Didn't even know there was a space marine comic

[gusty sequoia]

there is 2 comic

one for battlesister

[crimson kayak]

I think before anyway considering the space marine game ending

[gusty sequoia]

okay

[naive orbit]

Blood crazed players torture teammates penance unlocked

[dusk patrol]

[slender orchid]

There are multiple. The Blood angels have one, the Dark Angels have one, there is the Daemonifuge series, a normal Sisters of Battle series, a OLD Titanicus one, a Marneus Calgar one, etc.

[storm jungle]

Yeah most 40k comics are either super old or are from the mid 2000's and entirely out of print

the new ones are a rarity mostly

[signal bramble]

Don't forget the comic with Inquisitor Sabbathiel who is a normal human who uses a suit of terminator armor and pilots it like a mech.

[spark relic]

Does someone have a picture of that terminator suit with the ridiculous shoulder pads?

[crisp heath]

even if we did we still kill things like plague ogryns and beasts of nurgle

we could totally kill a space marine

[scenic sun]

a tribal with a spear can cannonically kill a space marine

this is a moot point, if you're lucky you will kill the fucker. Extremly lucky, but lucky

[celest dome]

That one?

[crisp heath]

I dont think we have to rely on luck, as characters.

our 4 charactyers are high tier shock troopers

[signal bramble]

The saturnine pattern terminator armor? 😮

[celest dome]

Dunno some omasked about Termi with special shoulder plates

[scenic sun]

oh no, our characters by level 30 do have a lot of shiny toys

but it's nothing scions don't have access to

[crisp heath]

We're inquisitorial storm troopers, we got the goods

and scions could totally kill a space marine lol

[signal bramble]

A normal guardsman can kill a space marine with the right weapon. A single melta shot will put a hole through them and melta isn't really an uncommon piece of gear.

(I want a melta gun so bad. It's my favorite 40k weapon.)

[crisp heath]

yeah, true. Plasma guns and bolters for the vet could do it, powersword and thunder hammers, psyker brain burst, ogryn str

could all kill an astartes

our 4 man has a very good chance of pulling it off

I'd say it would probably even be easier than us fighting a beast of nurgle

[signal bramble]

In Throne of Light a single psyker that's described being a teenager successfully kills several primaris marines with ease since they can't get close to him since he flings them away and their shots are easily deflected.

[crisp heath]

our psyker probably isnt that powerful

[signal bramble]

Exploding heads in helmets is a thing we are depicted as doing.

[crisp heath]

Yes, but we aren't flinging primaris marines with such force that they die.

Our psyker is probably Iota or Theta level

they aren't particularly powerful

[signal bramble]

The lone guardsmen has the least chance of killing a marine because the marine is fast enough to be on him before he could swing and the preacher is definitely not a match for a space marine in melee. Though a skilled enough human hand to hand combatant can hold off space marines for a little bit.

[crisp heath]

but, thats still strong enough to kill a space marine with psyker powers

[crisp heath]

Space marines cap out at 60mph at full sprint

guard could do it with a plasma gun, the preacher could do it if they land a hiut with the thunder hammer

and hitting something as big as a space marine isnt exactly hard

[signal bramble]

In the cain novels, he goes toe to toe with a chaos marine and is able to hold it long enough for Jurgen to hit him with a melta shot.

[crisp heath]

we're getting melta guns iirc

[spark relic]

Yeah that's the one thanks

[scenic sun]

i thought 60 mph was their light run

[crisp heath]

its their full tilt max speed

[signal bramble]

Primaris marines are even faster than regular marines also. In Avenging Son, a regular marine is leading some primaris. Something happens and the space marine goes in to a full sprint while the primaris are basically jogging. The marine realizes they could even pass him if they wanted to but were going slow and not passing him out of respect.

[crisp heath]

Primaris marines are phisically superior in pretty much every way

[signal bramble]

Yup.

If they were to do a plague marine enemy then I'm hoping it's slow, shrugs off most types of damage, and it's melee is absolutely devastating. Not sure how balance that would be in gameplay though.

That would be an interesting mission modifier, everything extra blessed by nurgle, making them slower but much harder to kill.

[celest dome]

Plague Marines would have been a good Monster contender, though I would have initially hoped for a Termi

[scenic sun]

well, we can already pierce caprace armour

[celest dome]

As they are much slower

And you kinda can get them like the Storm Vermin

[scenic sun]

termini plague marines are nigh unkillable. No way anyone can take that down

[celest dome]

With special weapon

[scenic sun]

if termi means terminator

it's just... no

[spark relic]

I recall that in Shroud of Night an Alpha Legionnaire headshots a primaris marine, right in the faceplate, and the marine bends backward with the force of the projectile and then snaps back up and returns pinpoint accurate fire

It really freaks out the AL marines

Lords of Silence has a great scene of over 20 guardsmen firing at one plague termi and it falls over, they cheer, only for it to get back up again with no visible damage done to it

Plague marines are absolutely ridiculous and termis are even more so

[rustic spruce]

Are there any special features with the custodes geneseed

[storm jungle]

Custodes dont have "geneseed"

they are genetically enhanced

[barren tapir]

Damn, Dilara beated me to this

[storm jungle]

[barren tapir]

Angrily shake closed fist to the sky

[storm jungle]

[rustic spruce]

So why did the emperor use genetic enhancement for custodes, and geneseed for space marines

[brittle slate]

Because space marines aren’t as important in the emperor’s eyes

They’re basically tools to achieve specific goals

[storm jungle]

Space Marines are mass produced soldiers.

Custodes are special and honed to perfection.

[brittle slate]

They’re not even meant for war

They’re the emperor’s companions

[barren tapir]

Space marines are biological weapons needed in mass, custodes on the other hand were meant to be the peak of what humans could be... Not only physically, but also psychologically and culturally speaking...

Each one is unique in itself, not like SM that all within a chapter kinda follow the same stamp

[storm jungle]

And again, Valdor was more or so right when he said assigning Custodes to be the generals of Imperial Army hosts would have been better

[barren tapir]

Oh, and did you knew some of them like to play musical instruments, while others practice yoga or carpet making?

[storm jungle]

They are all basically their own person yeah

got hobbies among many other things

[brittle slate]

Love custodes

[barren tapir]

Yeah, they were peak humans, not some brutal human form completely modified to serve war

[storm jungle]

Custodes can be assholes to be fair

but that is usually not too much

[brittle slate]

Nah- it’s just everyone’s sub par

You know, I don’t think there’s anything to say they couldn’t have children

[storm jungle]

There is.

They are genetically sterile

[brittle slate]

That in the 30k entry?

[storm jungle]

Yep

but you know

who cares

[barren tapir]

They could have been something to inspire other humans to be better, not to be biological war machines bent only on kills stuff... Not that know how to kill stuff isn't important in the WH40K galaxy, but that isn't the only thing

[brittle slate]

Custodes kids could be interesting

Kind of a call back to the Sensei

But- I digress

[storm jungle]

Oh you mean in a serious sense

[barren tapir]

TBF it make sense, they are probably quite different from 40K humans on a genetic scale

[storm jungle]

[barren tapir]

And, may the Omnissiah forgive me to say this, it would be quite hard to find the right partner for custodes

[brittle slate]

I think the idea of sensei were pretty neat, yes

[rich sail]

sisters of silence wink wink

[brittle slate]

Fair enough. Although I like ADB’s brief attempt to have female custodes

[barren tapir]

I meant size wise... Of course SoS being BAE would be perfect

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/0/08/ValerianAleya.png

Best couple btw

Valerian and Aleya

[slender orchid]

No. Bad. cold shower 🚿

[storm jungle]

I do like how its just

"We dont have miniature representation for them. Dont add them to the lore."

https://tenor.com/view/youre-gonna-love-this-kingpin-spiderman-business-is-booming-miles-morales-into-the-spider-verse-gif-24228394

Its all about dat money spidahman

[scenic sun]

lol

are female custodes a thing now?

what did i miss?

[storm jungle]

I wish but nah

basically

[scenic sun]

you got the sisters of silence if you want female custodes then i suppose

[storm jungle]

Aaron Dempski bowden wanted to include them but the higherups said no due to miniature representation reasons.

Also Sisters are not really the same thing

I dont want a woman warrior character who cant speak like a kitchen house-wife