40k-lore-chat

[dusk patrol]

Bigger than normal

[swift hound]

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-gif-20240312

[dusk patrol]

[swift hound]

Hampter...

[dusk patrol]

Hampter

[swift hound]

Shit my meme seep out

[arctic talon]

[past hedge]

No idea, but all I know is that they're meant to increase the intellect of stormfiends. They were made so bulky and strong that their intelligence just... wasn't there. So now thanks to the attached and connected brain rats, they can follow basic orders

[brittle slate]

but it also goes away

it's like the same mechanic as werewolves

https://tenor.com/view/cant-sleep-werewolf-gif-12799388

Warlord* and that was like 500 years ago

[rose thorn]

Lords of silence is low at the beginning but now I fucking love it

[swift hound]

https://tenor.com/view/wearwolf-pls-kny-gif-13952780

[versed ledge]

So any reason why we don't see much slaneeshi or Tzneetch daemon infestations...

Or are those for the more developed worlds with more bored nobles

[rustic spruce]

Slaneesh and tzeentch require more setup ig

[signal bramble]

Think we’ll get sanguinalia (aka Christmas) themed cosmetics when the timers run out Friday?

[rose thorn]

Harder to write

Honestly, ppl who learned about the other chapters and decided that UM are their favorite. Good for them.

I’m indecisive as fuck

[swift hound]

Slaanesh infest.... tag : tentacle

Tzneetch is just 40k gacha mobile game

[versed ledge]

True, also does the average imperial even have the drive to pursue those two

[last lagoon]

Yeah

Slaanesh it could be someone wanting to be the best warrior or create the greatest drug

Or want to acquire more knowledge that opens a rabbit hole

[crisp heath]

Are there any places in the imperium where people live normal lives, and can just do casual stuff like go to the movies

[sand meteor]

Yes

[rose thorn]

If you are rich

[sand meteor]

Believe it or not there are a lot of worlds likes ours

within the imperium

its still gothic and grim

But there are civilized worlds where old earth is very closely represented

[rose thorn]

Warhammer 40K is in a world where slavery is used by the poster boy faction 24/7

[sand meteor]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Civilised_World

Many Civilised Worlds may be equivalent in culture and population levels to Old Earth during the Age of Terra in the early 3rd Millennium. Pleasure Worlds, Mining Worlds and some Shrine Worlds can be sub-types of a Civilised World.

[rose thorn]

The way the imperium colonizes planets is they see a use for it. And that planet is entirely devoted for mainly that

[crisp heath]

So they do have stuff like, television, movies, cars

[sand meteor]

Rare

but they are there

[crisp heath]

Just with emperor worship

[sand meteor]

There is like a Vox cast internet thing

Depends highly on the planet tho

[rose thorn]

Honestly don’t bet on getting one of these worlds lmao

On the list you see a shit load of them are from the ultramar segmentum

[sand meteor]

And ultramar isn't doing so good

right now

Basically

Your really hard pressed to find any nice place

in 40k

its there but its rare

[rose thorn]

I know they are being terrorized by death guard and the nids atm

[sand meteor]

and for the rich

and noble

if your somehow lucky enough to be in the below 1%

[rose thorn]

As I say, totally unbiased, the best case scenario is getting to live in a knight world

[sand meteor]

you may be born on a nice agri world

where you grow up with some farmers or something

[rose thorn]

Oh have you seen agri worlds according to Lords of Silences?

[sand meteor]

Agri worlds depend highly also

Some are hell holes

[rose thorn]

The farmer stuff is bullshit. In reality it’s more like a forge world

They mostly use the same format

As agri worlds have a template

Weather controls, pesticide production, heavy machinery, like in lords of silence literally their air is unbreathable

[sand meteor]

As does mostly everything in the imperium but to say there isn't different variation is wrong

To say you can't be born in a non shit hole planet is also wrong

[rose thorn]

Yeah, but agri worlds are to min max food production, unless your agri world is to feed a well mannered noble world

In a knight world you will be at worst a peasant, realistically best case a merchant

Or marry into the bloodline if the family lets their children marry peasant blood

Most likely not

[sand meteor]

Unironically depending on chapter

being a marine serf

isn't bad

HIGHLY

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah, I know ultra marines aren’t bad

[sand meteor]

dependent on chapter

[rose thorn]

But

Space wolves

[sand meteor]

[rose thorn]

Do space wolves fans even take space wolves seriously?

GW doenst lmao

[sand meteor]

the nordic viking thing is a bit much

i think Fenris the planet itself is cool

the chapter is ok idk

[rose thorn]

The wolf thing is too much

‘Guys there is a special drink you drink, and if you can’t handle it- you turn into a wolf’

‘And if you get too old, you turn into a wolf’

‘And we hunt and ride these wolves’

[last lagoon]

I think its okay

When theres the vampire marines

[sand meteor]

Black templars best chapter

[cyan quiver]

Tech priest green eyes good, tech priest red eyes evil?

[sand meteor]

or Imeprial fist

[rose thorn]

Saving that

Raven guard fan here

[sand meteor]

Could never settle on a fav legion / chap

but idk IF

seem pretty cool

[rose thorn]

I like raven guard and white scars

[sand meteor]

Dorn was pretty cool

[rose thorn]

I like the tribalism stuff mixed with the slightly less evil

But imma chaos fan

[sand meteor]

Dorn knew he was a tool but still stayed loyal to the emperor to the end

[cyan quiver]

Dorn is alright I feel like his personality is however pretty caged

[rose thorn]

Luther and Corvus are my faves

And lorgar

Luther isnr a primarch

[sand meteor]

Also the primarchs were literally Demi god man childs

if you think about it

[rose thorn]

But he’s a lot cooler then all of them

[cyan quiver]

Lorgar cool

[sand meteor]

lorgar cool

[cyan quiver]

Literally accomplished the most of any of them

[sand meteor]

but fuck erebus

[rose thorn]

Lorgar is a gem, ignore modern writers trying to make him evil for no reason

[sand meteor]

Erebus tho

[cyan quiver]

I was already ignoring them

[sand meteor]

all my homies hate erebus

[rose thorn]

Erebus had a point but

He was selfish with his worship

In….. uhhh

Which one was it

[cyan quiver]

He probably could of done it with less backstabbing tbh

[rose thorn]

Someone calls him out for abusing chaos for his own gain.

And turns out alot of ppl don’t like him in the word bearers

[rustic spruce]

If lucius was separated from his armor before dying, would he still revive

[last lagoon]

Yeah probably

[rose thorn]

Okay so the rule doenst actually exist. It’s just an urban myth and Slaanesh does what’s funniest to them

He steps on a land mine, the perosn who made it dies

He is killed by an unfeeling swordsman

Whoops he’s back

[last lagoon]

Iirc in one of Lucius books its hinting that his armour is starting to gain a mind of its own

[rose thorn]

Makes sense

Oh yeah we’re the round boy terminators ever cannon?

A

As in

Did this design ever exist

[last lagoon]

Iirc it was called Vulkan pattern

[sand meteor]

It doesn't have a official name

Closest we have is saturine

but its not that either

its old rogue trader stuff

it was never ret conned

[last lagoon]

I think in one of those new heresy liber's it has something called saturnine armour but dunno if thats it

[sand meteor]

but not mentioned either

[last lagoon]

I thought it was called Vulkan pattern before saturnine

Have to find the artwork

Dont even remember it being called saturnine directly

[rose thorn]

Found the book quote

Form shattered legions

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/8k638k/except_image_shattered_legions_vulkans_custom/

So it’s the Mk1 and then the modified versions by vulkan .

[sand meteor]

the Cataphractii

is my favorite

[bright fulcrum]

Do giant shovels made for ogryns exist in the actual lore?

[dusk patrol]

This game is the actual lore.

But no I can't think of examples of them being armed with shovels.

Its mostly clubs for melee weapons.

Shock mauls also exist but I guess FS forgot about those....

[bright fulcrum]

And I can imagine there only exclusive to both ogryn prisoners and death korps of krieg ogryns

[celest dome]

They were in various trailers

[dusk patrol]

I'm aware

Painfully aware

[celest dome]

So most likely in the weapon group that should have been introduced (Going from 60+ in beta to 70+)

[dusk patrol]

And high on copium expecting them before the next class drop in a few months

[celest dome]

Same

I'm hoping they come out this month

[dusk patrol]

At this point I expect nothing, but I still hope.

[celest dome]

As for Ogryn shovel, I would say it's not outlandish so it's probably in unmentioned lore

[dusk patrol]

Its more just there's like three Ogryn weapons in lore

That are melee

[celest dome]

Because on the rpg the Ogryn had improvised melee weapon

[dusk patrol]

The Slab Shield & Club and the Ripper are the most iconic.

Followed by the Grenade Gauntlet probably.

Outside of those some exist in the RPGs but we don't see a lot really.

[celest dome]

Then there are also the Slave Ogryn gang from Necromunda

2h hammer axes, Spud Jacker

[dusk patrol]

Wouldn't be shocked if those end up showing up eventually

Or something similar.

[celest dome]

They make sense to be included

[bright fulcrum]

Especially for every regiment digging up trenches for trench warfare to

[swift hound]

I dont think they issue shovel as weapon for ogryn tho...

Just like... take dis and bury all infected

Ogryn krieg sound nice...

[sly lily]

battle turtle

[bright fulcrum]

Who do you guys think would win in a 3 way fight between shin megami tensei demons, doom demons ( or hell demons in general both in abrahamic religions and other media representations ), or the warhammer daemons ( both fantasy and 40k )?

[swift hound]

Only demon?

[worn pagoda]

I was only a little caught off guard when this dude in another server was surprised rogue traders sometimes have an ork onboard.

[swift hound]

I mean... ork love good fight...

Being merc you got to fight weird stuff

[worn pagoda]

People forget orks make decent technicians.

Keep them on the pipes and away from the control panels with all the delicate buttons.

[swift hound]

It affect normal ship too?

[bright fulcrum]

Yeah just only demons

[swift hound]

Only demon.... slaanesh site huh?

Does demon prince and icon of sin count?

[bright fulcrum]

Yeah they can count to

And gods are also a minor bonus to

[swift hound]

I think unclean one might win

If so... lucius...

You can kill him but you wont win...

[bright fulcrum]

Especially when you turn into him

[celest dome]

I mean, they don't issue shovels to guardsmen to fight in melee too

[worn pagoda]

According to the Only War book, every class of Imperial Guard regardless of specialization gets a standard issue entrenching shovel designed to function both for creating fortifications AND for use in combat.

They have a damage die and a combat type.

Not to mention the Kriegers practically being famous for it.

[swift hound]

But for reject i dont think they will issue anything standard tho...

Like ... try to take anything from that pile and do your thing lol

When you win their trust thats where they decide... hey maybe this one useful...and let you buy junk till trust you enough to issue standard stuff

[celest dome]

That's more meme

[swift hound]

All guardmen equip with purple grade.... and our store just sold only blue...

[cobalt merlin]

I've a question, from a complete lore noob. Why is it all my Psyker gear seems to have this weird collar on it. I've tried to look into it, but all I'm reading is that it's to boost the Psyker and prevent outside interference. But why would the prisoner garb have it as well?

[celest dome]

It's a Psykana hood, it also stabilize the Psyker's power, making them less likely to explode at a given moment

So they give them to us from the start to prevent it

[quartz nexus]

Because you don't want in the middle of killing a horde for a deamon to jump into a psyker's body and kill your entire squad

[cobalt merlin]

... Ah, explains why you have it on in the cell as well then

Gotcha!

[lilac wave]

My understanding is that the primary use of a psychic hood is as a sort of psychic nullifier.

It may stand to reason that the devices we see on our psykers are specifically meant to nullify their powers if the need arises, or more likely for the convicts, to turn them off anytime you're not out on mission.

Keeping a psyker as a prisoner is tricky business after all, and a moderate powerful psykenetic would have a dozen ways to escape a cell if they were able to tap into the warp.

[echo vault]

If you squeezed a grimoire would the book scream

[quartz nexus]

Yeah most gear in the lore and in Darktide on a Psyker is so it makes it easier for them to operate while being somewhat protected from posession. Any time a psyker uses their power they syphon enegery from the Warp, basically openning up a portal to their mind and a Warp entitiy can use that portal to jump into their body

[lilac wave]

I think it's safe to say that that some measures have been taken to keep the reject psykers under control. I can't imagine they'd let a barely sane criminal who they do not trust, wander freely around the nerve center of an inquisitorial ship with the potential to blow up the head of anyone they cross paths with.

[plucky cipher]

If you hug a scripture, you’re filled, for an exact second, with the love of The Emperor.

[prime tapir]

They have the psykhana collar

You bet your ass it is rigged with explosives

[plucky cipher]

Hadron doesn’t need to put in a request for that one.

Just click.

[prime tapir]

How come possessed CSM don’t have the psychic powers of daemonhosts? Is it a strictly different kind of possession?

[celest dome]

Not all Daemonhost are made under the same principle

And having a Daemon in your body doesn't exactly give you definite power

So often they just power up the native abilities

And if the Daemon is in power, then the Daemon can use more power

But if you eat the Daemon you get straight buffs

[lilac wave]

The possessed CSMs seem pretty different from daemonhosts. A daemonhost is effectively wearing a human as a skin suit, but possessed space marines seem to have a more symbiotic relationship?

[prime tapir]

CSM have conquered their daemons.

For Daemonhosts the daemon is in control. But it is bound to a master.

That’s the distinction I’ve been able to make.

[mystic geyser]

Usually a more powerful daemon if its worth binding too

[lilac wave]

I guess it's sort of hard to say, like all daemonhosts and so on aren't created equally.

Cherubael for example is depicted as being almost godlike in his power, and could likely rip up a whole chapter of space marines.

I think maybe the daemons possessing possessed csms are somehow limited?

[cyan quail]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCGKPRiJp84 for new players

[tidal dome]

Yes, Robot Girlyman.

[modest finch]

Machine spirits are cool

[tidal dome]

Clearly Fatshark are not pleasing them enough, considering all the amounts of glitches and bugs in the game....

[modest finch]

True that is

Always say a prayer to your computer

Genuinely works for me sometimes

I’ve also had my phone charge itself without a charger

The Omnissiah favors me!

[spark relic]

hey my headphones do that sometimes if I keep them turned off for 20 minutes

Go from 10% to 30% without any help

[modest finch]

Nice

[quartz nexus]

Mortarion. Primarch of the Deathguard, Ultimate Champion of Nurgle. Just to give you an idea how, despite the hordes and everything, Nurgle's barely even trying at this point

[celest dome]

I mean, sending Morty is going all in

There are plenty of stuff Nurgle could send that are great enough other than his Primarch

Like a Great Unclean One

Or Plaguebearer (Could happen)

Heck, even Nurgling could happen

[quartz nexus]

Oh yeah i absolutely agree. Sending just the Deathguard would be bad enough, If Mortarion shows up Nurgle officialy isn't fucking around

[tidal dome]

I mean. I for once welcome the ability to test plasma gun on the actual spess muhreeens

[storm jungle]

Kind of, its more of a parasitic relationship.

The only example of a "symbiotic" possessed couple is Argel Tal and his daemon-bro before Erebus fucked him over

[quartz nexus]

Or the Iron Warriors though in their case the daemon is the one suffering

[storm jungle]

Which they mostly are

[shadow plover]

In the Black Legion books Khayon mentions marines who are wilfully in symbiosis with the possessee(?) and some whom are forced in to that situation

[storm jungle]

Yeee

Like its usually "STAY THE FUCK INSIDE AND POWER ME UP"

its literally like a married couple but daemonic

also as expected dysfunctional and lots of people get punched around

[quartz nexus]

The Iron warriors actually sumon demons to trap them into their machines. It's a nice little twist which makes them my favorite Chaos Legion. They don't serve Chaos, they use it for their needs

[storm jungle]

They still serve chaos

but they act holier than thou about it

[celest dome]

What about the World Eater new Eightbounds ? And the exhaled ones too

[storm jungle]

same like Fabius who thinks he isnt a slave to darkness when he cant see the strings attached to him

[storm jungle]

That I got no idea since theres no lore on them

aside from "They got EIGHT demons inside them, very radical stuff"

on the warcom article

[mystic geyser]

Wild

But ofc it's quality rather than quantity lol

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah its batshit

[royal badger]

does anyone know the lore behind the way this is constructed? sometimes the roofs nearly touch each other

[storm jungle]

There is no lore for it, its just claustrophobic architecture stacked together to make as much habitation space as possible for the hivers

Its most likely the "middle" portion of the hive city since the characters mention this place is definitely a lot more better looked after than the underhive

[mystic geyser]

The idea being its been built up over Thousands of years by different architects, so doesn't really make any coherent sense

[royal badger]

so its prety much just for show. i stil llike it because its so unusual

[final spruce]

Slaneesh- Slightly looks at him and Fabius feels his entire body shutting down and the entirety of his armour's survival stimm and revival protocols activating
Fabius - Must have been the wind

[barren tapir]

Fabius is a skyrim guard?!?!?!?!

[storm jungle]

God 💀

tho does make sense

[final solar]

Fabius «Fedora Tipper» Bile

[rich sail]

would a force glaive and dual wield force scimitars be lore accurate for a psyker?

[brittle slate]

Maybe for a GSC since they have three hands.

[signal bramble]

Dual wielding isn’t something we see a lot. The most well know dual wielding character I can think of is cypher with his plasma pistol and bolt pistol.

[signal bramble]

There’s also probably some Khorne Berzerkers out there with double chain axes because that just seems like something they’d do. Plus some terminators and the Raven guard wield dual lightning claws.

[rich sail]

i mean grey knights have dual force scimitars

[rich vale]

This is more of a Fantasy thing than 40k, but Solkan and the Gods of Law are canon again. This gives me hope that my favorite chaos god, Malal/Malice might become canon again

[signal bramble]

Dual wielding is generally pretty impractical for a normal person. Astartes are a bit different.

[rich vale]

Dual wielding guns is more practical than swords, but having special power/force swords makes it more viable cause they get super strong abilities

[signal bramble]

Ciaphas Cain fights with his chainsword and laspistol a lot.

I forgot about that.

[rich vale]

I feel like chain weapons are also better for one handed/dual wielding, since a lot of their power comes from the teeth ripping and tearing

[celest dome]

I theory yes, any GK Force weapon (Nemesis) is/was based on normal Force Weapon pattern, so it would make sense for there to be a normal Force Glaive or any melee weapon

Just not Nemesis

[celest dome]

Solkan, Marianka and the other one weren't retconned like Malal

Just not used for a long time

Malal is under ownership of a writer, who left GW

[vivid dust]

not sure if lore question but where is PDF of Atoma? Did they get folded instantly by the moebian six or they kinda just forgot about them

[signal bramble]

If I had to guess, guarding the other hives.

[rich vale]

Shhh the other hives are dead

[signal bramble]

For a full on heresy at this level, the imperium prefers to leave the fighting to the guard. Most pdf’s are not equipped or trained to handle a full on planetary uprising.

[vivid dust]

they are using prisoners in rags.

[rich vale]

The Inquisition does not want us to know about any prior Hive Cities on atoma, with how Morrow reacts to questions about it, it sounds like they're no longer active, and likely fell to heresy or for other reasons the Inquisition does not want public

[vivid dust]

i know the incompetency of pdf is like a running joke in the setting but some mention would've mean nice. BUT one of the cain books had them taken over by genestealers for decades

so that would be nice

[rich vale]

They also added in 2 new ones, so now there's 5 Gods of Law, and originally the gods of law had the same number as the major chaos gods. 3v3, cause Malal and Slaanesh weren't added yet. (I think Slaanesh wasn't one of the original 3). Though the 5th god of law isn't named, so it might just be a subtle tease at a rival for a 5th chaos god

[vivid dust]

also it would've added some story, like the planetary governor is hiding with all the pdfs, refusing to cooperate, stuff like that

i mean we got no story currently so i'm just dreaming here

[rich vale]

Admittedly we might find out more when the rest of the story is released

We've got hints of it, but the actual full plot isn't available yet

One of the major things you can find in game is that Rannick isn't sending us to the Metalfab area just for the missions to restore it and steal from heretics, the characters rarely discuss that there's something Rannick wants really badly there

[signal bramble]

That’s the inquisition.

The inquisition prefers to leave command of the guard and pdf to the officers.

[rich vale]

There's also some sort of order to the missions, because one of them Zola very often says that she's from atoma, and there's another mission in the same area where the characters often ask if she might be from the planet

[vivid dust]

oh yeah with the loud music i hear zero character voicelines 🤣

[rich sail]

what inquisitorial order is grendyl from ?

[rich vale]

Malleus

The Daemon hunters

[signal bramble]

It would also make sense they wouldn’t want to send the atoma pdf against their own people. Just in case there are sympathizers or people hesitant to harm their own or possible moles.

[vivid dust]

i didn't mean they should be sent on mission like us, that would be weird

but like any mention at all

or maybe planets with full guard presence don't really need them in the first place

[signal bramble]

Pdf are usually 3rd or 4th line formations. So it makes sense.

[rich sail]

sending the atoma pdf against the heretics would doom them to be purged later due to them catching a wiff of what chaos is

[vivid dust]

more 👏 content 👏

[signal bramble]

There supposed to be a new announcement this week for future content and I think they mentioned the next class being released to.

[vivid dust]

i want to rescue them from a siege and kill their captain in a boss fight for cowardice

[signal bramble]

My money is on a support class of some kind.

[barren tapir]

The PDF is fighting in other places, mostly being on the defence, remember, we are not fighting in active frontlines, we are conducting small infiltration missions or doing small engagements fights... PDF is probably holding the line, and probably also got hardly mauled by the first attack from the moebian that no one really thought would betray

[rich sail]

tech-priest or skitarii 🙏

[vivid dust]

i think they said a class per quarters?

[signal bramble]

Probably not a skitarii. A failed one would just get rendered down for parts.

[vivid dust]

honestly i don't see a support class, either toughness refill or heal would be too broken

[signal bramble]

I’m leaning towards a tech priest adept though.

[ruby sparrow]

Techpriest. Or even better

Ork infiltrator

[rich sail]

one of mommy hadrons personal skitarii 🙏

[urban spire]

enginseer

[ruby sparrow]

Just an ork in a prisoner outfit

[vivid dust]

the low level techs are perfect, they are basically just cyberpunk npcs 🤣

[signal bramble]

A biologis or it might just be some random human medicae.

[vivid dust]

1-2 metal parts but still squishy humans

[signal bramble]

I really hope it’s not some random human medic.

[ruby sparrow]

"Iz a reject. Trust me. Iz definitely not an ork"

[barren tapir]

This is also incorrect, PDF are there to deal with planetary uprising, but in certain cases like this one the uprising might get too much momentum that external help is required, in such cases their orders are to dig in where they can and resist until relief troops arrive

[rich sail]

is mommy hadron just a normal tech priest? she doesnt seem tobe a dominus or something

[vivid dust]

well i mean a combat medic would fit the veteran

[ruby sparrow]

It being an ork would be fucking hilarious

I dont care if its lorebreaking

For the emperwaaaagh

[vivid dust]

well it probably wouldn't, they are okay with employing heretics and "witches"

orks would enjoy infinite hordes

just capture a raiding vessel with them

[ruby sparrow]

See. The orks would actively want to be here

[signal bramble]

she’s probably some tech priest that the inquisitor took for the retinue.

[vivid dust]

i know it won't happen but the lore can be really stretchy

[ruby sparrow]

Plus orks are funny

[signal bramble]

The exact hierarchy of the Admech is complicated anyway.

[rich sail]

i can see orks being some sort of incursion enemies that would fight both the hordes of cultists and heretics and poxwalkers and you

[ruby sparrow]

Question is it funny to make an ork warband based on top gear

[rich vale]

We are on a Rogue Trader ship

[vivid dust]

hadron seems like the kind that would lock herself away and focus on research/work instead of official stuff

[signal bramble]

They’re definitely ready to deal with the peasant uprisings but no pdf is ever really prepared or capable of handling an entire planet turning against them or a massive traitor guard regiment.

[rich sail]

pdf only job is to buy time for the guard to arrive

[rich vale]

Well, listening to the vox thing they posted, the traitor guard was the imperial guard who was meant to be Atoma's

There's mention of them getting corrupted by something out on the fringe and they brought it back with them

[ruby sparrow]

Would an ork warband based on top gear be genuinely funny

[vivid dust]

after some books if it's chaos or genestealers the half of the pdf is already one of those 🤣

[signal bramble]

I was under the impression it was an atoma regiment that came home but were secretly traitors.

[rich vale]

Watch the video they posted

According to it they were corrupted

[urban spire]

the scabs are the moebian 6th regiment, they were diverted to deal with the cult in hive tertium but joined forces with them instead

[vivid dust]

that's exactly the case

[rich vale]

Infected by something on the fringe

[signal bramble]

The bully Ogryn specifically uses the terms “krump” and “gits” which are distinctly orky.

[rich vale]

(Which I mean its Nurgle, so could've been fucking anything)

[barren tapir]

They are, that is what they are made for in theory, but it is also true that if a great uprising happen, probably the PDF throw their lot in the uprising, since, you know, they are from the same planet too... But yeah, they are capable to deal with normal planetary stuff, but not exactly a backstabbing imperial guard regiment with an already developed cult also starting their uprising, simply too much stuff to deal, which would be too much even for a regiment of imperial guard honestly

[vivid dust]

to be honest ogryns are just ork reskins, they didn't even try to hide it

[ruby sparrow]

Tonit on da Bottum Gearz Warband. SquigMound zoggin crashes da lootin kruuzer into da planet.

[vivid dust]

you color them green, add teeth, less patience and done

[ruby sparrow]

Jamz'Mey lites up a propa big splody thing

An Clarcl'Sun starts a rite propa waaagh

[signal bramble]

I was thinking the Ogryn would get an ork skin after hearing those lines.

But I never played vermintide, did they ever add any joke/comedy skins to the game?

[vivid dust]

the zealot had a piggy hat

[barren tapir]

Regarding Hadron, she seems to be a Transmechanic, since she seem to be responsible for transmission generally speaking

[vivid dust]

like a literal pig

[ruby sparrow]

So we can blame hadron for the servers

[tall hinge]

Fish hat too.

[vivid dust]

uninstalled vt 2 after darktide but now i miss it

[signal bramble]

So joke skins have a precedent and are r off the table. I was wondering this morning about xmas themed (sanguinalia) skins.

[vivid dust]

i just spent 60 hours maxing my zealot and thinking about doing the same thing again just makes me icky

i'm sure they will do something for christmas

knowing 40k santa is probably a khornite demon or something

because red

[ruby sparrow]

Nurgle has cursed me with the blight of the oregon trail

[signal bramble]

I capped my zealot and thought about getting my premade together for the achievement skins but I just didn’t care that much. Decided to level another character instead. I picked the psyker and it’s a lot of fun.

[ruby sparrow]

Na santas a greenskin

[rich vale]

Genghis Khan was Khorne's first daemon prince apparently

[signal bramble]

Especially because in all my time leveling zealot I picked a combination for the psyker that I’ve never seen anyone else but me play.

[vivid dust]

blood for the blood god, coal for the bad kids

okay fine nevermind

[ruby sparrow]

Image taken from regimental standard

[vivid dust]

axe?

[signal bramble]

Female psyker with the loner voice pack.

[vivid dust]

oh i thought you meanr a weapon combination

[ruby sparrow]

Also why did they buff the chainsword for vet

[signal bramble]

I never saw anyone but me play it in all my time leveling.

[ruby sparrow]

Chainsword now triggers on kill effects on hit

And now triggers the vets on kill ammo effect

[vivid dust]

because vet needs to be 2x strong than everyone else, not only 1.6x

[signal bramble]

That was an indirect buff. It was supposed to trigger on kill effects. Not doing so was a bug.

[ruby sparrow]

It dorectly benefits everyone else

[vivid dust]

but why, they are not killing

[ruby sparrow]

So wait it was always meant to trigger on kill effect on hit

Does this apply to the evisc as well

[signal bramble]

I thought it was on kill, not on hit.

[vivid dust]

didn't feel anything on evisc

[ruby sparrow]

Nono. Check the recent patch notes

[vivid dust]

but i also have zero on kill effect perks

[signal bramble]

I did. I thought it said the chainsword wasn’t correctly triggering on kill effects.

[ruby sparrow]

Chainsword triggers on kill effect on hit

[vivid dust]

but whyyy

[ruby sparrow]

Chainsword triggers vet ammo in coherency effect

[signal bramble]

But anyway we are getting off topic.

[vivid dust]

i mean i enjoy the weapon, but still, kill effects should trigger on kills

[signal bramble]

Back to the lore.

[vivid dust]

chainsaw lore

chainsword

[signal bramble]

Rip and tear.

[vivid dust]

duck

wow can't write today

[ruby sparrow]

Chainswords are stupid and cool

[signal bramble]

A random human wielding a chain axe was surprising. Usually that’s a Khorne thing.

[vivid dust]

i only saw chainswords in the books

[ruby sparrow]

To be fair the phrase death for the false emperor comes up a lot

Death to*

[vivid dust]

and they seem like some weapon that would need a lot of training

[ruby sparrow]

Hell its even tattood onto some enemies in chaos runes

[vivid dust]

imagine revving up and getting your clothes caught on it

[ruby sparrow]

Chainaxe and chainsword is simple

Rev sword

Apply sword to unfortunate motherfucker

[signal bramble]

That’s always a general chaos term. It also hints at the traitors coming across chaos marines of some kind.

[vivid dust]

and it deflects from a wrong angle, cuts off your leg

[ruby sparrow]

Replace sword with axe if necessary

[vivid dust]

did you guys never use chainsaws

[ruby sparrow]

Fair

[vivid dust]

they are hella dangerous on their own

[signal bramble]

Since it’s nurgle it’s probably death guard however there are nurgle warbands in the black legion.

[ruby sparrow]

Also runes for plaguebearers have shown up on missions

[vivid dust]

pretty sure chaos united or whatever also has their symbols on some maps

[signal bramble]

The 8 star.

It’s there to yea.

[vivid dust]

i'm kinda sad that it's always nurgle

[signal bramble]

So is the symbol of nurgle.

[rich vale]

I am pretty disappointed we only see nurgle

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah. I actually have guides on chaos sumbols

[signal bramble]

Makes sense since he has created an actual zombie virus.

And a virus that turns people in to daemons.

[ruby sparrow]

Ive posted them here before. Sadly the ones i have on non phonetic runes are wh fantasy

[vivid dust]

khorn seems pretty easy, i checked the wiki today and they have pretty much the same units/enemy types

[ruby sparrow]

But they mostly check out

[vivid dust]

just red, more angry, less smelly

[signal bramble]

Probably just as smelly but of old blood and guts.

[ruby sparrow]

Also no nurglings to punt at escape velocity

[signal bramble]

Covering yourself in gore and viscera constantly probably doesn’t make you smell much better.

[vivid dust]

that's probably better than shit and puke right

[ruby sparrow]

You show me

[signal bramble]

Yeah but probably not by much.

[ruby sparrow]

I see ⚽🏈

Maybe this is why nurgle inflicted horrid diarrhea upon me

[vivid dust]

are the small

[signal bramble]

Very smol

[vivid dust]

i like the bird leg on their shoulder, very stylish

[signal bramble]

Though one nurgling that fell in to Nurgle’s plague cauldron got transformed in to a great unclean one after absorbing a super powerful disease.

[ruby sparrow]

They are perfect size to punt

[vivid dust]

meat is back on the menu boys

[celest dome]

Kugath' Plague father

[rich vale]

Too treacherous to have arms or legs

[celest dome]

Ku'gath ? I know it's those letter and symbol but not sure where it is

[ruby sparrow]

This is all gw stuff btw

[vivid dust]

anyone can eli5 what's up with fantasy? feels like there are two fantasy settings

[ruby sparrow]

Im pretty sure its basically a universe reset at some point

[urban spire]

yes there are two fantasy settings

age of sigmar and the old world

[ruby sparrow]

Age of ligma

[urban spire]

age of sigmar was created by a particularly stupid business decision (we only make money when people buy models, so lets make everyone buy new models) but has come into its own

a lot of people still like to grumble about AoS but we're getting the old world back so i don't really see the point

[vivid dust]

oh i think i get it, old world - end times - age of sigmar

weird but okay

[urban spire]

yeah

[vivid dust]

so they basically wanted to rewrite the setting without retconning 5 million details

so vermintide is during the end times yeah?

[signal bramble]

Warhammer fantasy had an apocalypse and the world was destroyed and then stuff happened and a series of realms was created ruled over by various factions.

Thus AoS was created.

[urban spire]

correct

[ruby sparrow]

Also the answer for how far i punted the nurgling which resulted in nurgles wrath upon my digestive track?

[vivid dust]

oh wow they totally not gave end times vibes

[ruby sparrow]

Pretty damn far

Rip kroq gar

[vivid dust]

welp just downloaded the 5 end times books

[ruby sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/kroq-gar-total-war-warhammer-last-defenders-lizardmen-warhammer-fantasy-gif-25010271

[vivid dust]

almost got the rulebooks instead of the novels 😒

[ruby sparrow]

Look at this lad

[vivid dust]

this shit is confusing

looks very polite

[ruby sparrow]

He.

I like the lizardmen

[vivid dust]

oh are they the actez or whatevers

[ruby sparrow]

Somewhat yeah

[vivid dust]

i remember something from a video

maybe a total war wh trailer

[ruby sparrow]

Actually fun fact. Map of the wh fantasy world is quite similar to the real world iirc

[vivid dust]

had a guess

[urban spire]

only in that there are two big continents with an ocean between them

[ruby sparrow]

The lizardmen seem to mainly have been in the southern and middle area of the americas

No as in you can make out specific regions

[urban spire]

there are regional equivalents, but more in culture and coordinates than in actual geography

[celest dome]

Even the relative shape is somewhat similar

[vivid dust]

this stuff?

[ruby sparrow]

Hell bretonia is relatively near where france is

Yeah. Among others

[vivid dust]

btw did the whole thing was overrun during end times but only that human pocket in "europe"

it kinda feels like humans being drama queens

[ruby sparrow]

Nah shit was fucked in end times iirc

[urban spire]

the entire planet was blown up

[ruby sparrow]

Its just that the humans mainly lived in europe

[vivid dust]

honestly i like this better more than ours

sure makes no sense but seems cool

[ruby sparrow]

Also as of some dawn of war starting locations the dark elves are all over canada

[vivid dust]

let me guess, there are theories that fantasy happens in the future

[ruby sparrow]

That would be cool as a post 40k thing

And it does go into science fantasy

[urban spire]

40k and fantasy used to be connected, but they've been separated out

they are separate universes now

[ruby sparrow]

in fact the old ones being frogge may be in refrence to le slann

[vivid dust]

wait i thought dawn of war was 40k??

[ruby sparrow]

Er

Total war

Not dawn of war

My bad

In total war warhammer dark elves seem to start out alot around canada. One of the tomb king factions was mc fucking banished to the americas

[vivid dust]

surprised they didn't just plop them down in egypt

[ruby sparrow]

And the lizard bois seem to be around central and south america

Oh most of them are.

Its just that one group was fucking booted to america

[vivid dust]

fuck i was joking

thinking "well they can't be that fucking lazy"

time to download more warhammer books i will never read

[celest dome]

Not China is where China is

Kislev is where Poland is

[ruby sparrow]

Skaven are... wherever

I think the nuclear skaven are at italy

[celest dome]

Skaven are supposed to be the Industrial Revolution

[urban spire]

someone mentioned earlier that most humans live in the no-europe region: that's not quite true, that's just where most the games take place

[vivid dust]

are they like a slav united faction

[urban spire]

basically every area except for the elf only island and not-america is populated with humans

[vivid dust]

that just sounds like saying Kijev while a skaven bites your nose

[celest dome]

They basically are the Polish Lithuania of the time of HRE

[ruby sparrow]

Well theres also not scandinavia

Which is norsca

[vivid dust]

ah the norsca? i like them

[urban spire]

norsca is awful

i'm norwegian

[celest dome]

Not America has a few human settlements, + Chaos Warrior incursions in the north

[urban spire]

the rep is so horrible

[ruby sparrow]

And uh. Not sicilian (clan skyre)

[vivid dust]

that world ain't right

[celest dome]

There used to be a Not Chaos Norsca before

[ruby sparrow]

Also skaven having nukes and space capable satalites is the funniest shit

[urban spire]

"capable"

[vivid dust]

guess no free books anymore

[celest dome]

I quite like my representatives

Beer and miners

[ruby sparrow]

I have to deal with being in dark elf land seeing as im canadian

[urban spire]

the dwarfs? you're from northern england?

[celest dome]

There used to be Native Human in Not America

[celest dome]

Nope

But yes Dwarf

[ruby sparrow]

I mean im not first nations either

[celest dome]

Then you're a Dark Elf

[ruby sparrow]

"Used to be native human" makes even more sense for me being stuck with the dark eld

Canadian history of several genocides and cultural deletions go brrr

[celest dome]

The Imperial English are the High Elf

[ruby sparrow]

The lizardmen are based

[urban spire]

they consider themselves the custodians of the world and act insufferably smug about it to other races; yeah that tracks

[ruby sparrow]

Lizardmen based. Elves briish

[urban spire]

except they don't seem to colonize everything

[ruby sparrow]

Good

[urban spire]

if you'll excuse my bringing 400 year old politics into this

[ruby sparrow]

Colonialism was a mistake - person who only exists because of colonialism (me)

[urban spire]

by the way, does anyone know of any 40k novels (good) that center on psykers?

[ruby sparrow]

Also empire playthroughs seem to just devolve into trying to unify the empire as everyone else tries to declare war on you

Or ally with you

[urban spire]

play todbringer

bring the tod

[ruby sparrow]

Tomb kings is just for setras case "get the fuck off my lawn"

[kind parrot]

Indirectly Ravenor is a psyker so I would recommend that one but it's also an Inquisition story

[trim siren]

can someone explain me what is those second cities on the ceiling we can see om some maps?

[urban spire]

i'm currently reading the ravenor stuff, picking it up after having finished eisenhorn a long time ago

[carmine wraith]

Isnt he the only Warhammer Character to ever make a deal with Chaos then tell them just kidding idfwy

[urban spire]

it's the same city, but higher up

your average hive city is over 5,000 km wide at the base

[trim siren]

and why is it upside down?

[urban spire]

cause Throneside is a big artificial cave, and those buildings are built on the roof of it

[ruby sparrow]

Because its built top down for maximum use of hive city space

[carmine wraith]

It's free real estate

[ruby sparrow]

You tellin me you wouldnt make use of the fuckin underside of the roof of the hive city for real estate? What an idiot

[urban spire]

don't be mean to heather she just lost her dad

[ruby sparrow]

Harry was a good man.

[trim siren]

Thanks. Do they use some artificial gravity stuff here? Or is it just archetecture looks that nake it look like its upside down?

[ruby sparrow]

Just funky architecture likely

[urban spire]

it just looks upside down because it's on the ceiling most likely

artificial gravity stuff is rare outside of spaceships

who knows though

[thick cedar]

Why do Psyker hoods have a bunch of tubes?

[urban spire]

cause it looks cool

[ruby sparrow]

Good question

But yeah hive cities tend to go full on dorf fort for sprawl sometimes

[urban spire]

you could theorize that it's to enhance their powers or help them control them or something, but loads of psykers seem to function just fine without head tubes, and i've never seen an actual explanation for them

[ruby sparrow]

Maybe its a limiter

[urban spire]

space marine librarians have a special psychic hood, but that's just equipment, no tubes required

[ruby sparrow]

Sedative pump?

[urban spire]

i'm pretty confident it's just there to look dope

[ruby sparrow]

Tbh it does look cool

[hasty estuary]

the tubes are filled with gatorade

[urban spire]

love to have gatorade pumped directly into my cranium

[stuck kindle]

Those wyrmwood transmissions are a trap to capture and convert an inquisitor

[tulip sand]

https://i.imgflip.com/73nqs6.gif

what titans are these

[naive sky]

Warlord

[tulip sand]

thx

[naive sky]

[rose thorn]

Hey so who exactly knows about the grey knights besides the inquisition?

[barren tapir]

Space wolves

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah

Do sisters know of them?

[barren tapir]

Which sisters?

[rose thorn]

Sisters of battle

[barren tapir]

Probably not

[rose thorn]

Ah

Custodies?

[barren tapir]

Yes, they do know for sure about them

Same with Sisters of Silence

[rose thorn]

What about, the assassins and admech ?

I assume the death watch wouldn’t know either

[urban spire]

i assume grey knights will become way less secret once guilliman finds out about their whole secrecy business

the business of killing everyone who finds out who isn't on their need to know list, i mean

[rose thorn]

WAit does Gulliman know about them?

[urban spire]

no idea

[storm jungle]

He does.

[rose thorn]

I know the inquisition is keeping slot of secrets from Gulliman

[storm jungle]

Other high-ranking inquisitors mainly

[urban spire]

no joke, darktide is the only piece of 40k media i've consumed that acknowledges the galactic glasgow smile

[barren tapir]

Ad. Mech. know about grey kinghts, since they have a forge world given exclusively to produce stuff for them

[urban spire]

there can't possibly be enough grey knights that they need the industrial output of an entire PLANET to maintain their stuff

much less a forge world

[barren tapir]

Dunno, after all he wasn't greeted by a great master of the grey knight after being revived... In shorter words yes, he fully know about them

[rose thorn]

Oh okay lol

[urban spire]

i assume the high lords of terra would know

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Deimos

[urban spire]

otherwise there would be an embarrassing number of dead high lords who went "hey what's on titan?"

[rose thorn]

oH Those guys!

[urban spire]

ok deimos is fucking 6 kilometers across, how are you gonna call that a forge world

40k has spaceships bigger than deimos

[barren tapir]

Because that is what it is

[rose thorn]

There is a ring that orbits planets is a forge world

And just teleports around

[urban spire]

deimos isn't a planet it's a tiny rock

[barren tapir]

It is a moon yes, and it is a forge world

[urban spire]

that's like me putting a lathe in my garage and declaring it a factory

[barren tapir]

Graia

[rose thorn]

I like their art

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/b/ba/Deimos_Skitarii.png/revision/latest?cb=20170923221639

But I always imagined he had back issues

[barren tapir]

Keep finding excuses to not accept that they have a forge world all for them

[dusk patrol]

All chapter masters or most were told

So they can be aware of why marines need to be mindwiped and all that

[urban spire]

i'm fine with deimos being devoted to making stuff for them, i just think it's goofy that they're calling it a forge world

[dusk patrol]

There’s also individual Astartes and people who know

[barren tapir]

Forge moon would sound better? Forge world is its category, it has nothing to do with the size of the planet

[urban spire]

usually a forge world is, you know, a world

[dusk patrol]

A forge world doesn’t have to be big

Some are small, we just hear of the major ones

[barren tapir]

Another moon that is a full forge world is in ultramar, konor iirc

[rose thorn]

Again the /tp -ing ring that’s a forge world

[urban spire]

i cannot stress enough, my favorite hike to go on around my house is longer than the width of deimos

[barren tapir]

Ah, not konor, that is a planet... Its moon Gantz was a forge world

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/mediawiki/images/6/6b/Gantz.png

Look at the cute moon

[barren tapir]

Eh, tell this to the people at GW that don't care about numbers

[urban spire]

i will write a very strongly worded letter to GW about deimos

[barren tapir]

You go take them tiger, i believe in you

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s been thousands of years

[barren tapir]

You are truly unchained

[dusk patrol]

It’s possible it’s just been built around a shitton

Plus, the GKs don’t need a massive industry to make their stuff

[barren tapir]

Most probable, but also hollowed up, since we know the factories are underground...

[urban spire]

your average ark mechanicus is many times bigger than deimos

[sleek atlas]

Hello. New to Warhammer 40k and loving it so far. Where can I find out more about the lore?

[barren tapir]

Which is weird AF since, well, there isn't much to dig

[dusk patrol]

Sure but Ark Mechanicus each can easily be on the level of a minor Forge World in production ability

Also there’s no standard for them

[barren tapir]

Well, tbf they are considered small moons... What the hell GW mean when they say small medium or big is up to debate though

[barren tapir]

Even more than a minor forge world depending on the Ark

[urban spire]

some of them got STCs in them so yeah

arks are wild

[urban spire]

i'd recommend the wikis

[barren tapir]

Arks are great... In all sense eheheheheh

[dusk patrol]

Not even just STCs but they get absurd

[barren tapir]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Main_Page

[sleek atlas]

Gotcha. Would YouTube videos suffice as well?

[urban spire]

yeah there's lots of good youtubes, though i can't recommend any since I don't watch them

[barren tapir]

Yes and no, some loretubers get stuff very wrong

[dusk patrol]

The big thing too is Arks have no standard

It’s more just a title for an archeotech ship

Which is under use of the Ad Mech

[sleek atlas]

Oh okay. Is there like any order of which I should read the wiki?

[urban spire]

just read about the stuff you think is interesting

this will inevitably link you to more interesting things

have you ever gone on a wikipedia binge? it's like that

but way, way nerdier

[sleek atlas]

Thanks will do that.

[barren tapir]

Choose a faction that you like the most, read all its lore, then branch out

[sleek atlas]

Oh lol okay

[barren tapir]

Or branch out before reading all their lore, depend on you only

[sleek atlas]

I found a lore/history playlist from Luetin09 on YT. What do you guys think?

[urban spire]

he's pretty good i think?

[barren tapir]

Saw some of those videos, quite good, but very long

[sleek atlas]

It

It's like 100+ videos

[urban spire]

yeah there's a lot of 40k lore lol

[sleek atlas]

Damn. Okay I'll try his playlist and listen to it as an audiobook

[barren tapir]

And luetin is know to make long videos even with quite basic concepts

[sleek atlas]

Gotcha. I'm okay with more details really. Thanks I'll try his playlist

Also wanted to get into like the actual tabletop game. And found out that I had to like purchase the army and paint them myself

Lol

[barren tapir]

Ark mechanicus should be rare, but damn we got a lot new one recently...

[urban spire]

"rare" on the scale of 40k is kinda wild though

[arctic talon]

Tbh ark mechanicus is a ship class

Not a ship design technically

[urban spire]

sorry my brain just autopiloted that sentence

[arctic talon]

There’s a standardized version of them

But they’re just fancy battleships

[urban spire]

"rare" on the scale of 40k is a tricky concept, since you can have thousands of something and it'll still be rare

technically space marines are incredibly rare

there are more cadians than any other kind of guardsman but all things considered those are pretty rare too

(also a bit of a collectors item since the manufacturer shut down, so to speak)

[gusty sequoia]

WELL be great to see warhammer 40k space marien 2 in game award

[pale prairie]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fkcer7wRCNQ

[simple crane]

very helpful

[undone zodiac]

Space wolves summed up

[wind heron]

they furries?

[undone zodiac]

I would rather say gw being unoriginal

[ruby sparrow]

"SQUIG`MOUND YA BLITHERIN IDJIT, YA ZOGGIN WEN' AN CRASHED DA SNAZZWAGON YA GIT!!"
how orky is this

[undone zodiac]

"So they are space vikings how should we name their units?"
Woof
What the fu-
'Cough i meant wolf'

[stray bluff]

Whats the human population in 40k

[fading bloom]

"Untold Trillions" - Horus Series Book 1 Chapter 1

[undone zodiac]

40k does not like specific numbers

[dusk patrol]

Terra alone I think is said to have quadrillions in the Vaults of Terra books

[arctic talon]

More then a few quadrillion

Because terra alone has quadrillions

[stray bluff]

Man, human lives must be worthless

[arctic talon]

No shit lol

And the quadrillions on terra

Was after a massive famine due to the great rift opening

Killing a good chunk of its population

[dusk patrol]

Likely a quintillion or more humans

[signal bramble]

Which meant plenty of delicious humans and the time of plenty has begun.

[arctic talon]

Yep

[signal bramble]

Sure it may seem wrong but sometimes you just want to eat people. Plus Terra has tons of them just walking around filled with meat.

[tulip sand]

I asked this in general and people said it will be a money printer but

https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/KS2eo9su1uCPpGDCTPz7dcu0GEZhBPvRIoj6VEKpXKg/https/i.imgflip.com/73nsoq.gif

What lore explanation will there be for DK cosmetics

Arent DKK like basically human machines so how would one not only break imperial law but also not die for it

[echo vault]

I hope they do a primaris marine version of this style of dreadnought

I like the helmet part

[arctic talon]

They’re still human

They’re just very socially empty and lack any sort of actual emotional intelligence

[tulip sand]

Theyre vat grown, no?

[arctic talon]

Some

[ripe ravine]

Krieg isn't available as a homeworld in character creation. if they release cosmetics you're still not a member of the death korps, just a fan boy cosplaying

[tulip sand]

I hope they add krieg as a homeworld but also add a new personality which is literally just silence

[ripe ravine]

that has historically been the problem with marketing krieg. their entire theme is they have zero personality

[tulip sand]

Like in ghe walking dead games if you dont pick a dialogue option in time people will get weirded oht

[signal bramble]

Bold of you to assume there will be a lore explanation for the outfit rather than just general krieg lore. Assuming we get anything at all.

I’d rock a DK outfit and would happily spend money on it even if I don’t play veteran much yet.

[undone zodiac]

I want tallarn or ventrillian outfit

[signal bramble]

The cosmetic timers run out tomorrow right? I’m curious to see what they get replaced with. Even if I don’t buy the cosmetics myself I still wonder.

[brisk wharf]

Hype!!!! ❤️

[wintry junco]

is there a book about the Months of Shame

im reading about it and i like the premise of space marines stopping inquisitors from commiting genocide and it spiraling into a civil war

[dusk patrol]

Emperor's Gift

@wintry junco

[vocal drum]

question what are these

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HK02e3U4Q9U who drives them are they like AI or something?

[last lagoon]

Titans

They have people in a tank full of fluid that connect to the titan to control it

They literally become one with the machine

[ripe ravine]

this is not a perfect comparison but think of it like pacific rim where the pilot melds with the machine. only there's one pilot (a princeps) and a bridge crew of moderati that monitor auxiliary functions

the princeps interfaces with a mind impulse unit (MIU) which allows them to instinctively control the titan

moderati tend to operate the shoulder mounted weapons

[last lagoon]

And you have to either hope the titan doesnt fry you or you have the strongest will

[ripe ravine]

there are also chaos titans which more often than not are no longer piloted by a mortal crew but a daemon engine

which is a kind of evil semi organic daemon AI

artificial abominable intelligence is very banned in the imperium. instead they use cogitators which are servitor brains shoved in a computer terminal

this is part religious doctrine, but also because during the dark age of technology the men of iron were robots created by mankind that violently rebelled

that said titans do have a 'machine spirit' made up of the gestalt consciousness of its previous pilots. it is basically augmented AI but the Imperium has all kinds of technicalities

titan pilots often have to wrestle with bloodthirsty machine spirits so they don't lose control and get fried like Cuckle said

[signal bramble]

The Titan’s machine spirt in the books is depicted as mostly feral. Like a vicious animal barely contained.

[signal bramble]

Not all of them.

Warlord yes. Probably even reavers but not war hounds.

[ripe ravine]

imperial knights have to deal with actual personality fragments but the larger titans are often portrayed as more bestial

[signal bramble]

Knights also have manual controls that don’t require bonding with them but it’s not nearly as responsive.

[ripe ravine]

yeah there are some great scenes in Assassinorum Kingmaker that dive into that

[signal bramble]

It was news to me. Kind of makes them less special since anyone can hop in and drive them like a mech now.

Knights are my favorite faction and what got me in to 40k

[ripe ravine]

sort of. it's very impractical for actual combat, they use it to move around parade grounds without waking the spirit

interfacing with the throne mechanicum is much more effective, and without spoilers for the book impersonating the pilot without its machine spirit noticing is very not trivial

[tulip sand]

Isnt dan cabinet making the lote for the game so he would find a way

[urban spire]

yeah he's writing for the game

[signal bramble]

He is but after the barely present cutscenes where almost nothing happens I’m skeptical of any good lore.

[urban spire]

they have seasonal story content planned i think?

idk, fingers crossed

they haven't dropped the ball yet

[sand jasper]

What are the five rusty pillars

[cyan quiver]

after some quick searching... i can find nothing.

[sand jasper]

So wtf is my psyker on about. I tried look it up too and couldn't find anything either

[cyan quiver]

Honestly, psykers inventing funny new ideas makes sense

[spark relic]

I'm assuming the "pillars" or spires he talks about are the five Hive Spires of Tertium

Though I'm just spitballing here

On second thought, I'm looking at the pic of Tertium from the trailer and can only see two spires so I'm likely wrong

[modest finch]

[Book Excerpt | Master of Sanctity] Space Marine Falls Down Some Stairs

Affirmative,’ replied Daellon and Telemenus together. The two of them opened fire, synchronising bursts between them. Brickwork turned to dust as Telemenus pounded the huts from outside while Daellon let fly through interior walls. A few sparks of las-bolts from a window two dozen metres ahead drew the attention of Telemenus. He returned fire, punching half a dozen bolts through the wall.

‘Some kind of sub-level here,’ reported Daellon. ‘Descending.’

‘Wait!’ yelled Telemenus, but his warning came too late. The audio pick-ups brought the sound of splintering woods and crumbling ferrocrete followed by an almighty crash.

Daellon cursed without pause over the vox.

‘Report,’ barked Arbalan.

‘Brother Daellon misjudged the load bearing of some internal stairs, brother-sergeant,’ said Telemenus, trying not to laugh. For once he was glad somebody else was attracting the negative scrutiny. There was a chuckle from Cadmael and a sigh from Arbalan.

‘Daellon, can you climb out?’ asked the sergeant.

‘Negative, a three metre drop at least. The floor will not hold my weight to pull myself up.’

‘No threats detected,’ Telemenus added, his auspex sensors encompassing the long row of huts.

‘Understood,’ said Arbalan. He sounded impatient. ‘Daellon, remain in place, I will signal for an armoury extraction team. Telemenus, rejoin the squad.

@winter vessel

Unsure if it was a terminator tho

Still funny

[arctic talon]

It’s a terminator

Earlier in the story they’re training in it

[modest finch]

Still very funny

[keen stag]

just gotta hope he wasnt a dark angels

[modest finch]

[winter vessel]

FALLEN

[cyan quiver]

...ooooh...

[vocal drum]

Primarchs are they stronger than space marines?

[arctic talon]

Yes

A lot stronger

[celest dome]

They are stronger than Custodes

[vocal drum]

learning about some primearchs rn https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mduAFwujXss

didnt know that

[spark relic]

Isn't the Shadow in the Warp the Tyranid Hive Mind?

[cyan quiver]

It's a part of it. And it does effect the emperor in the way that it blocks astropaths from seeing him.

[stray bluff]

Can i ask, did GW start this fantasy thing or Blizzard with Warcraft?

Basically, Warhammer or Warcraft first?

[cyan quiver]

warhammer was much first. by like 20 years.

[arctic talon]

Warhammer is old as hell

[rough condor]

I read a story once about a Kriegsman who got left behind in the rubble and became a citizen for a short while before he wanted to get back to fighting, it kinda showed how there is a human underneath all that indoctrination, but at the end of the day they believe in spending their lives as best they can for the Emperor

[arctic talon]

And so is 40k

[vocal drum]

are these diff types of space marines the ones i circled?

[keen stag]

the thunder warriors are proto space marines they where created by the emperor during the unification wars on terra but they didnt have any emotion and he thus created the astartes

[lilac wave]

Not really 40k lore, but if you mean just like modern fantasy tropes in general, they come from a lot of places.

Conan and its contemporary are huge. So is old d&d, and of course Tolkien is the grandaddy of all of it. I'm not super huge into WH fantasy, but I but it draws very heavily from Conan. The way 40k draws from dune.

[rough condor]

Custodes are said to have DNA from the Emperor himself, much like his Primarch sons. They are the defenders of Terra and if just one of them is on the battlefield, the commanders are certain of success.

[vocal drum]

so wait

[rough condor]

The Thunder warriors were the first version of space marines, a lot more brutal and a lot more short lived

[vocal drum]

right to left is like weakest to strongest?

[keen stag]

yes

[vocal drum]

The Thunder warriors were the first version of space marines, a lot more brutal and a lot more short lived

so he made a better version?

[stray bluff]

Then who inspired Tolkien?

[vocal drum]

custodes=primearch's son yes?

[rough condor]

Yeah, once Terra was unified the thunder warriors all died in one final battle (||they were wiped out once they were no longer the ideal tool for galaxy domination||)

[keen stag]

the astartes where created using the blood of the primarchs

[vocal drum]

o

[keen stag]

custodes are to the emperor what astartes are to primarch (somewhat not exactly but its the best picture i can give ) XD

[lilac wave]

Tolkien was heavily inspired by mythology, and part of his goal with lotr was to create a fantastical canon of mythology for Britain.

[stray bluff]

Amazing

Through him we got all this good stuff

[celest dome]

Warcraft was supposed to be a Warhammer strategy game

But GW and Blizzard had disagrements

[stray bluff]

Jesus GW must rly regret that lmao

[rough condor]

Primaris marines are the new breed of Astartes, most Space marines are now Primaris as they can go through surgery to upgrade themselves (which is risky as all surgery to make a marine is) and also through attrition of war. New marines are made into Primaris right away, so the old breed will die out eventually altogether.

[keen stag]

same for starcraft

[stray bluff]

Even a 70-30 in favor of Blizzard is worth it

[stray bluff]

Space Marines.. its all coming together

Now Blizzards version is the more famous of the two

[lilac wave]

My understanding is that this is more the case for the grey knights, who use the emperor's own gene seed.

The custodians were each handcrafted personally by the emperor (until m42 when they started making more themselves). But the emperor described them each as being like a unique piece of art.

[keen stag]

tho fun fact after starcraft release and with the massive love for the zergs GW changed the tyranid look this is tyranids before starcraft released

[stray bluff]

Shame..

Oh wow

[arctic talon]

Nids already were already somewhat the modern design

Pre StarCraft

They just went into overdrive for nid releases after StarCraft tho lol

[keen stag]

yes the custodes are hand made and each is extremly precious you are totaly right i was just doing closer ties to not go full out lore of how they are XD

[keen stag]

tyranids had diplomats before XD

[arctic talon]

That was in 2nd yeah

But right before 3 we got more zergish minis

[stray bluff]

What rule are we at now

8th?

[arctic talon]

9th edition

[lilac wave]

10th is on the horizon I bet!

[arctic talon]

10th is prolly late 2023

Or 2024

We aren’t getting world eaters and guard codexes till quarter 1 of 2023

[spark relic]

I'm guessing 24, they wouldn't trash 9th that quickly

[atomic pelican]

Arcs of Omens probs gonna be the big 2023 thing

Then yeah 10th in 24

[arctic talon]

If 10th is in 2023

It’s winter

[atomic pelican]

There will probably be some big supplement series ala psychic awakening - the lore

Mid 2023

Either that or just dataslate shakeups, I cant imagine nothing releasing in 2023

[arctic talon]

I doubt we’re getting psychic awakening

2

[lilac wave]

Might be that's what Arks of Omen is?

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[arctic talon]

They didn’t do great the first time

[atomic pelican]

Nah

Arks is just lore

No rules

[arctic talon]

Nah arks is campaign books

Mostly

With some small rules on a new gamemode

[atomic pelican]

Oh yeah the gamemodes

[arctic talon]

Psychic awakening was a bunch of new rules

[atomic pelican]

Nothing for main 40k tho

[lilac wave]

Fair nuff

[arctic talon]

For armies

And also a ton of minis for some armies

[atomic pelican]

Yeah, PA was bad because alot of armies now had to buy campaign books for rules

[arctic talon]

Admech, sisters and csm all got a nice wave

[atomic pelican]

Which iirc they said they specifically didnt want to do for Arks

[arctic talon]

Also the warzone books lul

[atomic pelican]

Yep

[arctic talon]

Daemon, csm, SoB and admech players fighting each other for a warzone charadon book

[atomic pelican]

I honestly still dont like that massive supplements get dumped into white dorfs

[arctic talon]

Because money

The warzone books are really cool tho

[spark relic]

I really hope they stick with the shattered Imperium idea and go for the plan that half the galaxy is hell and random planets trying to survive just like Old Night, while the Terra half is more or less fine cause they still have the Astronomian

[arctic talon]

Have you read the csm codex?

[atomic pelican]

The worst part is that supplements are almost always better than base army LMAO

[arctic talon]

We get some info on the dark imperium

[lilac wave]

Arks at least seems like the most major lore event in 9e so far. Got abadaddy doing things.

[arctic talon]

The first admech supplement somehow being worse then playing the army normally

[spark relic]

I've been reading Novels covering the Dark Imperium but no codexes

[atomic pelican]

Damn

[arctic talon]

Dark imperium is in chaos and there’s large swathes of the imperium falling under chaos control on that side

[atomic pelican]

I think Admech might genuinely be some of the worst internal balance of the edition between subfaction traits

[arctic talon]

Imperial forces are spread really thin

[atomic pelican]

Mars has been so comically dominant

[arctic talon]

Nah

Lucius was dominant

Then they gutted it lol

[atomic pelican]

Rlly?

Ah

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[stray bluff]

Why Fantasy is better than 40K?

[arctic talon]

Now it’s a good mix again

Between Mars, Lucius and Metallica

[spark relic]

Yeah but I hope they stick with that instead of just saying "but everything is fine and the Imperium is surviving because fuck you"

[atomic pelican]

I just remember Skitarii getting canticles being like the Thing

Since skitarii spam anyway

[arctic talon]

Depends on perspective and opinion

But living in warhammer fantasy is arguably less terrible then in 40k

[stray bluff]

Google told me its a fact

[arctic talon]

Well that’s google

Lol

[atomic pelican]

Yeah fantasy rlly isnt all that bad to live in?

[arctic talon]

The factions are less evil

In fantasy overall

[atomic pelican]

I mean it obvs depends on where u are but

[arctic talon]

Bretonia and chaos wastes

💀

[atomic pelican]

Yep LMAO

But you couls also live in like

The inner Asur cities

[arctic talon]

Bretonia somehow being worse to live in then tsarist Russia

Is hilarious

[atomic pelican]

Bretonnia got hit hard by the grimderp bat

[spark relic]

Imagine being French but in Fantasy, as if that would be better

[lilac wave]

Being an ogre would be pretty based though.

[arctic talon]

Bretonnia is meant to make fun of feudal societies

[atomic pelican]

Its hilarious

[arctic talon]

Have a good time eating and killing and eating more

[lilac wave]

Learn some gut magic.

[stray bluff]

Heard theres a fifth god, Malice

[arctic talon]

Malice is tiny lmao

He’s barely a thing in both settings

He’ll never be relevant