#40k-lore-chat

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brittle slate
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You know he was involved with the original exodite series?

uncut karma
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They also always have DA write the base for them tbh

brittle slate
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It was gonna be bonkers

uncut karma
brittle slate
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Yeah- originally the series was going to be done entirely in Gothic, Tau’sia and eldar languages lol

uncut karma
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is anyone else waiting really fucking hard for pandemonium?

brittle slate
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Pity he left GW for Riot

fresh trout
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I'm curious, is there any lore on who makes force weapons for the Imperium? Is it the Mechanicus or a more personal thing?

uncut karma
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I want to know what Valdor is doing, and is Eisenhorn gonna return in the current setting?

fresh trout
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Ah

uncut karma
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like the cliffhanger in penitent kills me bro

brittle slate
fresh trout
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Oh wow.

uncut karma
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I need that book NOW

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DA probably has it finished and GW is gonna release it after siege is done

uncut karma
fresh trout
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That's what I figured. Neat that they make psyker-related stuff too. And it figures they'd be involved in any manufacturing. Thanks!

uncut karma
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Mars was the only planet the Big E didn‘t make „comply“ cause they need em

deft sedge
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they make most anything yeah

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psyker or not

uncut karma
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He instead pretended to be the live version of the Omnissiah

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religious excemption for wargear

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Good deal overall

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and then he fucking died

deft sedge
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yeah they just threw him in the mulch

kind parrot
deft sedge
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the actual corpse on the throne is just Bob from Vengeful Spirit Accounting

uncut karma
brittle slate
deft sedge
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that’s why it’s failing

brittle slate
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But I don’t like that version.

signal bramble
deft sedge
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he basically was the omnissiah to be fair

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could knit machines back together with his brain

uncut karma
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If horus wasnt a little pissbaby

deft sedge
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hey he had a totally justified heresy

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got stabbed with a poop knife by a fat guy

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that starts you down the path

uncut karma
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He shouldve died there

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Fuck Lorgar tbh

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guy started it

deft sedge
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lorgar’s just a 5”2 Short King

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can’t hate him

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he was raised in Space Egypt

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you ever been to Cairo?

uncut karma
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not in cairo but to egypt

deft sedge
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I can only imagine Space Cairo sucks more ass than Real Cairo

uncut karma
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Maybe less riot police

deft sedge
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lorgar only made it 5 minutes of being offered a camel for his sister before he adopted Chaos

brittle slate
last lagoon
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I really like how the mechanicum said that they are loyal and also "you need me"

uncut karma
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Listen all we need rn is Valdor to come back, with now full knowledge of enuncia and an army of blanks

last lagoon
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By putting their biggest titans in a parade, scarying everyone

brittle slate
uncut karma
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to fight chaos i guess

brittle slate
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Eh.

last lagoon
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I mean its just some guy saying he's Valdor

brittle slate
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Chaos already won.

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I think they gotta move on

uncut karma
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Like all 5000

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(Or more)

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It has also been seen that there is an army of cloned blanks and custodes in a seperate dimension

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So it likely is actually valdor

brittle slate
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It’d be nice if we moved to Necrons or someone else for the “main fight” for a change

last lagoon
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I would rather wait until the next book comes out and see if it is him

uncut karma
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i hope its him

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I love valdor

uncut karma
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Best necron

brittle slate
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I think the rift opening just kinda concluded the “long war” you know?

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I’m probably in the minority

atomic pelican
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Yeah cuz the long war only ends when either the CSM warbands are gone or the imperium has been usurped by them

dusk patrol
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Probably because no one in the setting even considers it done

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Kinda hard for a war to be over when both sides of it are still very much alive and fighting on a massive scale

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And there’s no clear winner

atomic pelican
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Unfortunately, GW has pretty much stated the setting will always focus on Imperium and chaos predominantly, one writer even called xenos simple "Side attractions"

fresh trout
brittle slate
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The Lords of Silence do

brittle slate
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Even the daemons in the guilliman books talk about “moving on to other realities”

dusk patrol
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Daemons have always never been super concerned with the materium

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It’s the big issue with daemon primarchs

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It’s hard to get them to focus on the Long War

brittle slate
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I… ok.

dusk patrol
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Since the Great Game is what matters to them

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The Great Game is all that matters to daemons mostly

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The Long War is just a small facet of it to them

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The Heresy was probably the most invested the gods have been, although that might change again soon

brittle slate
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Uh huh. Anyway. The Lords of Silence conclusion is that the Long War shouldn’t matter anymore. I prefer ADB’s+CW take

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The Great Rift opening means chaos is, for the first time ever, basically everywhere they want to be in the galaxy and “every” world in the imperium feeds back a bumper crop of emotion which feeds them

earnest basin
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So what’s the deal with that Vox fat shark posted on YouTube today?

dusk patrol
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The characters in the lords of silence also don’t even know what the extent of the rift is

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They’re not even aware of Guilliman or Primaris I don’t think by the end

atomic pelican
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Chaos isn't really a unified force with a single goal. The Long War is moreso based around CSM warbands, not daemons

brittle slate
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Christ. Eternal, you gotta start your own podcast or YouTube channel that just shoots down canonical opinions of 40k characters

dusk patrol
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Also, Vorx never cared about the Long War

brittle slate
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It’d be hilarious

dusk patrol
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No you’re just not actually reading the context of their statements and why they’re wrong or their opinions don’t really matter

brittle slate
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You could call it hAcktually

dusk patrol
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Vorx only went into the 13th because Mortarion did for example

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He didn’t care about Abaddon’s war

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Most of the main Death Guard legion didn’t

last lagoon
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At the end of the book he still claimed a fortress for Abaddon even after losing 5 times then swearing he will go home

dusk patrol
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But sure if we just ignore all of the major narrative events of late then the Long War doesn’t matter. Because Vorx, who doesn’t know anything about current 40k yet in that book, and never cared about the war, and some daemons who are proven wrong by the end of the book think it doesn’t matter.

brittle slate
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Yeah. Fuck vorx. Stupid head.

dusk patrol
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I can understand not being interesting in the narrative but it’s silly to say it doesn’t matter anymore

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I don’t care for a lot of plot threads but they’re often still relevant or very canon and important.

rose thorn
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Lords of silence is pretty good!

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I like it so far

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I feel like I’m missing some things because idk much abour the desth guard

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Like unbroken and unchanged?

deft sedge
rose thorn
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Wh

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Ah*

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I was guessing so but wasn’t too sure

deft sedge
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unchanged are the human crew on the ship

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it's not really a death guard thing

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more just this warband / book

rose thorn
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Okay got it

stuck kindle
wind heron
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I see do we move up in life at trust level 30?

deft sedge
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yeah

wind heron
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like. ot just cannon fodder?

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💀

stuck kindle
deft sedge
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slightly better treated cannon fodder

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you get to eat in the cafeteria

wind heron
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i see

dusk patrol
wind heron
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Are we at least at Morrows level 😆

dusk patrol
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No

wind heron
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Hes so annoying

deft sedge
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nope lol

wind heron
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💀

rose thorn
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I’m a bit confused about what the point of the tallyman is???

dusk patrol
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Morrow is pretty high up it seems

stuck kindle
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Shame they won't make a series off Lords of Silence. I loved the Night Lords series.

dusk patrol
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We might

deft sedge
rose thorn
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Yeah

deft sedge
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he counts things

dusk patrol
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I think Wraight has said he is intererested in doing a sequel

deft sedge
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he's kind of like their apothecary

dusk patrol
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Its just not gonna be for a bit

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He has other series he's finished since or is working on

stuck kindle
rose thorn
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Ah

dusk patrol
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Still has to do the next Watchers of the Throne

deft sedge
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he did a prequel

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"prequel"

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takes like 15m to read

dusk patrol
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Yeah a short of Vorx during the Heresy

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Wasn't super special imo

wind heron
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They should make like a Darkest Dungeon like game where you play as the Inquisitor and send in the cannon fodder 💀

last lagoon
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I remmber a short story of a guy in the Lords of Silence book being tempted into chaos by his future self or something

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Against Iron Warriors

dusk patrol
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Its basically just Vorx being bullied by a Blood Angel for not having a pretty primarch and then he kills him at the Siege or something

wind heron
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Do you think we can fight any plagued space marines soon?

deft sedge
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in darktide nope

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not happening

dusk patrol
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FS has said no

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To any Astartes

wind heron
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og

dusk patrol
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But they lied

rose thorn
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Yeah at best probably In the final updates of the game maybe a single plague marine

deft sedge
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you can fight them in Chaos Gate Daemonhunters

rose thorn
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Remind me, daemons are also off the menu for dark tide?

dusk patrol
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Because what the fuck is THIS then FS?!

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deft sedge
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not as explicitly

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they're in game already

dusk patrol
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That's right, FS lies

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There are Astartes in the game

wind heron
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👀

dusk patrol
deft sedge
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beasts of nurgle are daemons

dusk patrol
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Plus the eye things

deft sedge
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daemonhosts too obvi

rose thorn
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Oh shit a beast of nurgle?

deft sedge
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the tree

rose thorn
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Wow

dusk patrol
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Yeah

wind heron
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how toughs a Daemonhost compared to Plague Marine?

deft sedge
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tougher

wind heron
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whaa

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Anyways 😔

rose thorn
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Beast of nurgle are dangerous as fuck

wind heron
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How bout a Plague Ogryn?

deft sedge
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what about it

wind heron
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Are they super strong?

deft sedge
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ogryns can pull off a space marine's arm, yes

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and drag a chimera around

wind heron
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😔

deft sedge
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can only assume plague ogryns are stronger

dusk patrol
deft sedge
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astartes are not like, the strongest things imaginable tbh

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on tabletop they're basic troops

dusk patrol
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Not all daemonhosts are made equal

earnest basin
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An ogryn wouldn’t generally beat a space marine tho they’re much quicker and smarter than an ogryn

wind heron
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Oh?

dusk patrol
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And not all plague marines are

wind heron
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they basic fodder?

deft sedge
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and training

dusk patrol
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Basically an Ogryn can kill a space marine especially if they get close

deft sedge
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guy was asking about strength tho and an ogryn is usually depicted as stronger than a marine

dusk patrol
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But it doesn't mean they will.

deft sedge
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physically

dusk patrol
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Its most if they close the gap and overpower them.

earnest basin
dusk patrol
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Which can be a big if

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And Plague Marines are a step beyond normal marines in a lot of ways.

wind heron
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where do poxwalkers and dregs fit in for TT?

deft sedge
dusk patrol
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Dregs would be just cultists

deft sedge
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they are shit

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only good for holding points

wind heron
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so useless?

dusk patrol
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Or traitor guard

wind heron
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Worse than Guardsmen?

deft sedge
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or max a squad of 10

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that's about it

wind heron
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oh

deft sedge
tired tapir
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who is Lorgar Aurelian?

deft sedge
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primarch of the Word Bearers

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"born" on Colchis

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wierdo religious dude

tired tapir
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can i send you something?

deft sedge
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uh

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depends what it is

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if it's 50$ sure. if it's a nude photo please don't

tired tapir
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art of Lorgar an artist has me interested

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NOT THAT ART

deft sedge
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alright sure

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it was genderswap Lorgar everybody

rose thorn
tired tapir
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how so?

karmic raft
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Sorry perturabo clears no diff

rose thorn
hexed shard
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are dregs sentient?

deft sedge
hexed shard
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or just zombies

deft sedge
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they are people

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poxwalkers are just zombies

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Lorgar has an absolutely shit model

rose thorn
tired tapir
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probably husks of their former selves

rose thorn
karmic raft
deft sedge
karmic raft
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Who fucken knows what Perturabo looks like rn. He's just hanging brain.

deft sedge
karmic raft
fresh trout
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By the Emperor! o_o;

deft sedge
karmic raft
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Which is what the other image was an interpretation of what he would look like

deft sedge
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this is, though

karmic raft
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I like the other one more cause he looks like a fat slopjockey

tired tapir
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did Rogal Dorn and Konrad Curze ever fought?

deft sedge
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that's about it

tired tapir
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hmmmm

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okay...

karmic raft
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Rogal just thinks konrad is fucking insane whenever they talk so he always shits on him.

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sadge

deft sedge
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Curze slashed him in the face once

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IIRC

karmic raft
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I think they meant fight as in like, Lion vs Konrad tho

deft sedge
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it was in an audio drama

rose thorn
# tired tapir how so?

But Lorgar is sympathetic as fuck, abused his whole life by both his adoptive and god father. He never wanted to kill and maim, he is an artist and poet. The beginning of the first heretic shows him at his highest. He established peace and prosperity but you see his downfall and how poorly he is treated for no real reason.

tired tapir
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oh!!

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this art is kinda accurate then!

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karmic raft
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ok

deft sedge
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ok

karmic raft
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👍

tired tapir
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i don't like that ok....

deft sedge
rose thorn
karmic raft
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I like all of the traitor primarchs more then any of the loyalists ima keep it real

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im biased tho

rose thorn
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Yeah but lorgar even liked Angron lmao

deft sedge
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konrad was worse than angron

karmic raft
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^^

tired tapir
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man, all the primarchs are flawed as hell

deft sedge
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at least angron was honest

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konrad is just a little bitch boy batman

karmic raft
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He's trying his best

deft sedge
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he shouldn't have eaten that guy's brains on Nostramo

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bad move

rose thorn
karmic raft
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misinput

karmic raft
rose thorn
deft sedge
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in lore

karmic raft
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Cuz its gonna start big shit if a primarch comes back or something like that

rose thorn
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Oh yeah lmao

karmic raft
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Especially if its fucking Lion 'El Johnson.

deft sedge
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more and more Lorgar is just "I'm a huge asshole from the start fuck you Dad"

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"I know about the star people"

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or whatever

tired tapir
rose thorn
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Read the first heretic tho it’s beautiful

rose thorn
deft sedge
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yessir i have

deft sedge
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first on the left

karmic raft
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Still, I think the setting has constrained the imperium loyalist primarchs development quite a lot.

rose thorn
karmic raft
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Chaos primarchs can just say fuck it and do whatever mostly.

tired tapir
rose thorn
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Oh is fallen angels good?

deft sedge
deft sedge
rose thorn
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I think the only one I like more then the first heretic I’ve listen to is Luther first of the fallen

rose thorn
deft sedge
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cant read it

tired tapir
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😮

rose thorn
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Neither can I

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I’ve tried and never got far into manga or anytning

rose thorn
# deft sedge nope

I’m about to go back to work but can you just tell me all the fallen related lore in it real quick

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So I don’t waste my money on it

deft sedge
karmic raft
deft sedge
tired tapir
deft sedge
last lagoon
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Atleast Battle for the Abyss had the good boy world eater loyalist

karmic raft
deft sedge
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I made it about 2 books in

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then my brain started to bleed uncontrollably

karmic raft
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backflipping terminator moment

karmic maple
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Is the name Haveloch (or some spelling variation) a big deal in 40K lore? I've seen way too many characters with this name for it to be coincidence. 🤔

deft sedge
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it's probably in their "Renaissance But Not Really" name database

karmic maple
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ah, that could be. It is a bot name too.

deft sedge
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really you're lucky it's not Havelochius

hexed shard
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are pox walkers sentient?

urban spire
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no

wispy roost
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Curious why the Imperium is referencing their units as "warbands"

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Almost certain the only use of the word is in regards to chaos and orks

deft sedge
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inquisitorial warband

wispy roost
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?

deft sedge
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that is the warband we are part of

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they call it a warband or a retinue

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its not only for chaos or orks

wispy roost
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Iv never heard them call it a warband before and iv been playing table top since 1992

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Better not be one of those things added in the new editions

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lol

deft sedge
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I dunno my guy, google it

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it comes up a lot

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e.g.

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they're called warbands in Dark Heresy which I believe came out in 2008

wispy roost
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It doesnt really make much sense lore wise because a warbands job is literally to just destroy where an inquisitor usually operates more remotely... just a strange choice of wording

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like for example in Mechanicus

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I wouldnt call that a warband..

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Your right tho

arctic talon
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The warband is a hammer for the inqusitor

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They aren’t intended to be subtle

wispy roost
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It is indeed a thing lol

deft sedge
storm jungle
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GW has used

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every "group of people" term

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under the sun

wispy roost
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lmfao

storm jungle
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some will cross over

wispy roost
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I figured as much Witch

storm jungle
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Yeah its a lot

wispy roost
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I was like, tahts an oddly orkish and chaotic word for the imperium lol

deft sedge
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off the top of my head just for inquisitors i've seen
warband
retinue
group
striketeam
killteam
strikeforce
scalpel assault force
coven
cabal

storm jungle
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like theres Cabals, Chapters, Coteries, Orders, Regiments, Clans, Warbands, Castes, Cadres

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YEP

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as i said after a point you legit run out of shit to use

deft sedge
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don't think I've ever seen "tribe"

storm jungle
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same

wispy roost
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All of the names below warband seem to fit the aesthetics of the imperium.. im a bit old school I still see Astartes by their individual chapters etc

dusk patrol
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That's how their still seen mostly

deft sedge
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I think this is more you have a specific lexical definition for "warband" that is related to destruction and/or primitive savagery

dusk patrol
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There's still chapters and shit

deft sedge
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because of the dated use of the term in modern English

wispy roost
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Oh for sure but they seem to like to lop them all together now even catagorically when your even buying squads to paint and stuff

deft sedge
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I don't understand

wispy roost
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back in the day you wouldnt go into a store and call the space marines Astartes or the Imperial guard as Astra Militaria

deft sedge
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lmfao

storm jungle
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Lmao true

wispy roost
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Thats a big one too

deft sedge
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they can't copyright "Space Marines"

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you can release media with Space Marines if they're not similar other than the name to GW property

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however the name "Adeptus Astartes" is trademarked

wispy roost
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Yeah I heard about that whole thing.

deft sedge
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same reason eldar are now aeldari

wispy roost
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Yeah

deft sedge
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because "eldar" is a term from LOTR

wispy roost
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oh ffs

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and sure as shit the LOTR franchise has no problem selling theri table top thru GW but use one of their words and all hell breaks loose lol

urban spire
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warband was in the first gaunt novel

deft sedge
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it's brand recognition

hexed shard
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are servitors sentient?

storm jungle
wispy roost
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Depends by what you mean by Sentient

deft sedge
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lore's inconsistent AF on servitor sentience

hexed shard
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are they concious

deft sedge
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I think mostly because they like to bring out the I AM NOT ME shit every now and then for dramatic effect

storm jungle
urban spire
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servitors aren't supposed to be sentient

storm jungle
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most are braindead

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but some are left sentient

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because "lol lmao whoops"

deft sedge
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they go into it in Lords of Mars

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you see a servitor factory

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spoiler alert it's bad

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no good

storm jungle
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yeah

wispy roost
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I mean in fairness they reduce you to a floating skull

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that cant be good

storm jungle
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We are talking servitors

rose thorn
deft sedge
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hate to be a pedant but those aren't servitors

storm jungle
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the braindead cyborgs

deft sedge
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they're servoskulls

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I dunno are they servitors

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fuck maybe

rose thorn
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Like 90% of the stuff is restated in Luther fallen lore wise lmao

dusk patrol
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Its a massive tech heresy punishable by servitorization if you fuck up the lobotomy its fair to say.

hexed shard
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so the poor heads that we use to hack machines arent sentient? good

deft sedge
storm jungle
dusk patrol
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So its not common to say the least, unless its a punishment.

wispy roost
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ahh Give sauce

deft sedge
wispy roost
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The difference between a servitor and a servoskull is the brain

rose thorn
wispy roost
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Servitors get to keep theirs

storm jungle
hexed shard
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and the medicae stations arent either?

storm jungle
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it literally

hexed shard
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oh fuck

storm jungle
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has a guy's stitched body

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LMAO

urban spire
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the head is a servo skull, not a servitor

deft sedge
hexed shard
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damn

storm jungle
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WHAT DO YOU THINK

hexed shard
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rip

storm jungle
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"I'm so cold."

urban spire
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the difference is kinda nebulous but there's generally no brain in a servoskull

arctic talon
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The Medicae station is a really shitty servitor

wispy roost
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So I feel like the servoskull is really like... the worst place you could end up as

deft sedge
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servoskull is just basically our equivalent of a drone

arctic talon
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Or they were supposed to be sentient

hexed shard
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nooooo 😢

arctic talon
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One or the other lol

arctic talon
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It’s just the desecration of your corpse lol

deft sedge
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the depiction of it in Dark Apostle fucking BLOWS

storm jungle
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yeah servos are drones with basic directional/order functions

dusk patrol
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Also Servo skulls are done to like, honor a person a lot of times.

arctic talon
storm jungle
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they are literally roombas

dusk patrol
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As weird as it is for us

urban spire
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a servoskull is like an honorary thing, they're made from loyal servants and such

dusk patrol
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I mean, that person ain't using their skull anymore

wispy roost
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Honestly there are some freaky deaky people out there that would probably do the whole chaos thing if they got some sweet leather wear

arctic talon
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Nothing beats being a slave to the dark eldar

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In terms of horrible fate

deft sedge
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I guess sure

arctic talon
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You’ll be tortured for thousands of years before you get turned into a trophy

dusk patrol
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There's a couple cases of people using their previous master's skull as a servo to honor him.

deft sedge
arctic talon
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And that’s if you’re lucky

wispy roost
deft sedge
wispy roost
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lol

deft sedge
#

FR

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chaos = more tubes

wispy roost
#

= superior

dusk patrol
#

Once you get to chaos max levels torture and Drukhari torture, I feel like its splitting hairs which is worse.

deft sedge
#

that's how the evil gets in

dusk patrol
#

They both kinda suck real hard

#

Reviews are in

wispy roost
#

Gotta hardline that evil

dusk patrol
#

Not cash money

#

0/10 would not try

arctic talon
#

I feel like becoming sentient and sapient soup is pretty horrid

urban spire
#

listen i gotta level with you getting tortured is pretty awful no matter if it's the drukhari, chaos or the cia

deft sedge
#

stick tubes in your head

wispy roost
#

lmfao

storm jungle
#

Drukhari can keep you alive for hundreds of years

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dark eldar have torture to an art form

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chaos doesnt

dusk patrol
#

So can Chaos though to be fair, its kinda just splitting hairs

deft sedge
#

so can the CIA how do you think Joe Biden made it?

wispy roost
#

trippin balls, chaos prlly like, makes it a responsibility to be intoxicated... makes it more chaosy

deft sedge
#

SORRY POLITICS

#

THE ABOVE IS A JOKE

storm jungle
arctic talon
wispy roost
#

give sauce.. you speak truths 😄

deft sedge
#

I do man I'm a straight shooter

#

it's not popular necessarily but I got the jokes

#

and that's what matters

wispy roost
#

😄

#

never was into popularity

dusk patrol
#

Just don't correct him on any lore he gets wrong

deft sedge
#

I refuse to treat 40k lore seriously also

#

it having been written AS A JOKE

dusk patrol
#

That's his weak point

#

He doesn't take it seriously until you wound his pride

#

Then the malding begins

wispy roost
#

haha

deft sedge
#

@storm jungle can you stop him from talking to me, I've blocked him for a reason

#

I would appreciate it

dusk patrol
#

I'm not talking to you

wispy roost
#

oh shit

urban spire
#

politics isn't controversial enough, we must go deeper

atomic pelican
urban spire
#

can an ogryn beat up a space marine?

dusk patrol
#

Yes

deft sedge
atomic pelican
#

It makes discord's block function actually useable

deft sedge
#

the person is straight delusional

atomic pelican
#

I will dm u just a moment

deft sedge
#

cheers mate

dusk patrol
#

so if its just like, a fight based on that, they tend to win.

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They also have good combat instincts

#

But they're slower and marines have much better training and gear

#

So they're still at a disadvantage

urban spire
#

you guys are way too chill you're supposed to froth at the mouth and start screaming, like the folks over at the steam forums

dusk patrol
#

But they're very capable of it if given the chance

dusk patrol
deft sedge
#

aw hell yeah @atomic pelican this rocks

atomic pelican
#

Peace upon earth

deft sedge
#

i'm always screaming

dusk patrol
#

The amusing thing is he's the one who kept attacking me, but he's trying to play the victim now.

#

Anyways, Ogryn stronk, but thats not always enough is basically the idea.

meager zinc
#

So what are all the eldar gods like... All about?

deft sedge
#

cegorach is the god of laughter

meager zinc
#

But like whos who and who does what

dusk patrol
#

Isha and the jester boy are the only two alive really

deft sedge
#

ynnari the god of the dead

dusk patrol
#

Khaine is the god of war

deft sedge
#

khaine the god of war and murder

#

isha's in Nurgle's garden and is the goddess of health

dusk patrol
#

Ynnead hasn't awoken yet

deft sedge
#

asuryan king of the gods like zeus

dusk patrol
#

Which is what the Ynnari are working on

swift spruce
#

Isha makin nurgle cookies for all eternity

#

Could be worse tbh

dusk patrol
#

Idk man

atomic pelican
#

Thousands of gods who represented various aspects of life pre-fall. The postfall list is far shorter

Khaine being the god of war, Cegorach being the god of theatre, humor, and humbling the arrogant, Isha being the generic gal of home/life/fertility, and the Ynnead being the god of death

deft sedge
#

on the other hand she gotta eat his leavin's

swift spruce
#

Nurgle is definitely the nicest chaos god if you think about it. He just wants a big happy family

meager zinc
#

Nurgle is a bro

atomic pelican
#

By Aeldari mythos, humanity was actually made by Isha

#

P much all of the non-old one life was

deft sedge
#

nurgle's having a good time yup

meager zinc
#

So eldar gods are some of the oldest gods?

atomic pelican
#

Yeah

#

They pre-date some of the chaos gods sort of but it's a weird way since chaos god timelessness wacky wavy etc

deft sedge
#

I guess the C'tan are the oldest ones ?

deft sedge
meager zinc
atomic pelican
#

Yeah that stuff, I'm ignoring it since

#

idk

#

They're obviously older than slaanesh LMAO

deft sedge
#

IMO all the real world -> 40k stuff is best ignored

#

like how the Emperor was Napoleon

#

and Rommel

#

or how Khorne's best Daemon Prince is Genghis Khan

atomic pelican
#

Lmao

meager zinc
#

I mean slaanesh didnt pop into the conscious mind until recently

barren tapir
meager zinc
#

So they couldn't been layin in the cut in the godzone the whole time

atomic pelican
#

The easiest way to understand the Aeldari gods is that they're alot like a sort of greek pantheon. Alot of inter-god drama that spilled ove rinto early Aeldari life

deft sedge
#

you should ignore it lol

#

it's cringe af

#

and makes zero sense

barren tapir
#

It is kinda cool imo

#

But yeah, make no sense

#

Just humanocentric stuff in galaxy full of other people, and a chaos entity choose a human lel

atomic pelican
#

It's honestly some of the best lore that came out of Gav's writing

deft sedge
#

lol

atomic pelican
#

Well, more established by. All that og eldar stuff is from Goodwin

meager zinc
#

Its hard to understand compared to like 1 emperor, 4 chaos gods, 2 ork gods and 1 hivemind shadow on the warp.

deft sedge
#

is doombreed the dude who rides the motorcycle

meager zinc
#

One day imma write a warhammer 40k fanfiction.

atomic pelican
#

They should release a mythos book for the aeldari. All the really cool tales of the old gods and such are split between like 8 different books and are in no way cohesive

urban spire
meager zinc
deft sedge
#

like they did with Chaos

urban spire
#

quit your job and devote your life to fanfiction

deft sedge
#

e.g. Khorne and archers

urban spire
#

this is good advice, trust me

atomic pelican
#

Well, they have the same names, but they are different other than domain

#

Aeldari Mythos is completely unconnected from Asur stories iirc

#

I also wish we had Kurnoth and Hoeth still

deft sedge
#

I don't think so but I don't know enough to argue

#

Kurnous was great, top tier god

meager zinc
deft sedge
#

Mathlann is my favourite one from Fantasy

deft sedge
#

that sounds awful my dude

urban spire
#

sick

deft sedge
#

no shade

#

quit your job and write this

#

cinless is correct

urban spire
#

food is temporary fanfiction is forever probably

brittle slate
meager zinc
atomic pelican
urban spire
#

dad is pissed you clogged the golden throne

brittle slate
#

mcneill is writing a huge high elf story for the re-release

atomic pelican
#

Just for a exodite release of some sort

urban spire
#

get the plunger

deft sedge
#

lot to unpack there

atomic pelican
#

Morai-Heg kind of ate up the "wizard god" slot for 40k aeldari since Seers and fate and such

meager zinc
#

Jesus will also be going around sayin the emperor stole his look

deft sedge
#

was the Emperor still canonically Jesus or are we past that in the lore

brittle slate
#

i think he knew jesus or something

#

there's something vague about it in one of the anthologies about him seeing what humanity does to its gods

meager zinc
deft sedge
#

don't get me talking about this lol

#

I'm gonna offend people by accident

storm jungle
#

the closest thing the Emperor references IRL history wise is the greek gods

#

and he gives them like

#

super cringe copyright names

#

‘And so I gave them Ullanor,’ the Emperor said. ‘They crave recognition for their honour and achievements, and the Triumph was the ultimate expression of that. In that regard, they are just as the Akhean gods and goddesses of Ulimpos were believed to be.’

Ra knew the legends. Zoas Lightningfather. Avena Warbringer. Hermios Swiftrunner. Heraklus Halfgod. Bickering, violent divinities who were powerful enough to act with impunity over the mortals that prayed to them.

‘Humanity’s perception of god-beings has never been consistent,’ the Emperor mused. ‘Give any being great power and the largesse to act with impunity, and what you have is indivisible from those ancient myths. The rage of thunder gods. The battle drums of nations that prayed to war gods. The madness and decadence of powerful kings. That is what true power has always done to the mortal mind – elements of humanity become magnified, more human than human. In that light, are the primarchs not deities?’

deft sedge
#

holy shit

dusk patrol
#

Its kinda funny because like

storm jungle
#

Big E dropping that Reddit knowledge

deft sedge
#

how can I delete someone else's comment

dusk patrol
#

Greek gods are free use

atomic pelican
#

Emperor puts on his fedora before leaving the house

storm jungle
dusk patrol
#

Public domain shit

deft sedge
#

Heraklus Halfgod

#

Heraklus Halfgod

#

Heraklus Halfgod

dusk patrol
#

But yeah the Last Church is like

meager zinc
#

"you know why he's also sitting on that throne not talking to anyone too? He cheated on Moses' sister back in the day and moses finally told dad about it a few centuries ago." Jesus to a nearby praetorian

dusk patrol
#

Peak Intro to Philosophy levels of conversation

#

Which I get, BL aren't you know huge religious scholars or anything

deft sedge
dusk patrol
#

But maybe they should have just....not written a story which needed that

atomic pelican
#

GW ends 40k by writing in that the Love of the christian god warms the core of all until they stop fighting

#

Jesus comes down and the emperor gets vanished

broken zealot
dusk patrol
#

There's plenty of good 40k books but yeah that's not a great example of good writing in 40k.

storm jungle
#

Lmao its from Master of Mankind too

#

40k is good when it doesnt touch 21st century shit

#

LIKE

#

A NEW BOOK

dusk patrol
#

Yeah

storm jungle
#

HAD AN INQUISITOR RIGHT

#

WITH A HAEMONCULUS

#

LISTENING TO BACH

deft sedge
dusk patrol
#

Master of Mankind is in my top three heresy books

atomic pelican
#

Was this Vaults of terra

dusk patrol
#

But it does have some cringe stuff

storm jungle
dusk patrol
atomic pelican
#

Lmao

broken zealot
#

I want to read Gaunts Ghosts as my intro to 40k but it's such a long series I am kinda not ready

storm jungle
#

You kinda can read them seperately

dusk patrol
#

I would still go for it

#

You don't need to read it all

storm jungle
#

Id suggest maybe Cain instead

#

its more singular

dusk patrol
#

It has arcs

urban spire
#

40k is great as long as you avoid most of it

broken zealot
#

No, if I start it I have to read it all back to back to back to back to back to back to back

deft sedge
#

yeah honestly Ghosts is not a "great intro" to the lore necessarily as I remember it

dusk patrol
#

It is actually tbh

broken zealot
#

I don't care about the lore as much as I want cool humanity killin aliens stories

dusk patrol
#

Its a good lead in into the universe because its more grounded

meager zinc
#

"Also where is Durga and Vishnu?? My brother said he was gonna work with them?" Jesus calling the Inquisition to get more info on what his brothers been doing for the past few years

dusk patrol
#

And starts getting more out there as time goes on

dusk patrol
urban spire
#

do i like warhammer fiction or do i just like dan abnett? ||i just like dan abnett||

dusk patrol
#

Its always gonna be a mixed bag but that's everything.

#

With how many books they pump out its amazing how many of them are good or even pretty great

deft sedge
urban spire
#

i like ciaphas cain, gaunt and eisenhorn

#

though cain is what, sandy mitchell?

#

what's wrong with abnett?

#

i haven't read anything he's written since the aughts i don't think

deft sedge
#

i think he’s a serviceable writer don’t get me wrong

urban spire
#

oh?

#

i think ciaphas cain is probably the best writing in warhammer, just in general

#

actually scratch that, i was a teenager when i read cain, that may not have held up

deft sedge
#

the thing is that I don't really know what "good writing" means in a warhammer context. generally I read the books as pulp sci fi

#

Abnett is well liked because he writes very good action and has a sense for arcs, which is 2 points better than most BL authors

urban spire
#

i think abnetts action is kinda goofy honestly, i just like stories with good characters

deft sedge
#

but he's not winning a nobel prize for literature, you know what I'm saying?

#

he's no Cormac McCarthy

#

I think that when we say Abnett is a great writer it's always the silent "for warhammer books" that follows it

urban spire
#

i don't know, good action writing is pretty rare in lit from the aughts

deft sedge
#

Ilium, the Terror, etc

urban spire
#

never heard of them

deft sedge
#

that's my point

urban spire
#

oh wait, i have heard of the terror

deft sedge
#

you can't say good action writing is pretty rare in literature from the 00's, it's a meaningless statement. I can't say that either

#

because we haven't read every book from that time period

urban spire
#

i feel like you can make some general statements based on the culture of the time

deft sedge
#

I wouldn't, personally

urban spire
#

maybe i just have high standards

deft sedge
#

lol

#

that's kind of an arrogant statement

dusk patrol
#

Abnett is pretty acclaimed in other space too, not just 40k.

urban spire
#

it's more of a dig on myself

deft sedge
#

fair enough

dusk patrol
#

He's part of the duo responsible for the current GotG existing for example.

#

He's done several of the better Marvel comics ever actually

#

Annihilation I believe was him too

urban spire
#

it's very easy to read a novel and say "yeah but this wasn't as good as terry pratchett"

deft sedge
#

I teach English at university and wouldn't consider covering Abnett, that's pretty much all I'm saying I suppose

dusk patrol
#

Now that explains a lot

deft sedge
#

I run a warhammer club though and he's popular enough there

urban spire
#

annihilation was jeff vandermeer

dusk patrol
#

I'm almost positive Abnett was a writer for it

urban spire
deft sedge
#

decent series

#

falls apart as it goes IMO

dusk patrol
#

No not that book

#

The comic

urban spire
#

oh

dusk patrol
#

That is a good book though

urban spire
#

i don't know anything about comics

dusk patrol
#

Movie was a good adaption

urban spire
#

not really my medium

dusk patrol
#

Yeah I don't read a ton, I enjoyed that one a lot, its pretty acclaimed iirc

urban spire
#

(i'm too poor to buy comics)

deft sedge
dusk patrol
urban spire
#

too much effort

deft sedge
#

it's that simple

#

lol

urban spire
#

oh

#

ok new problem: there are way too many comics

dusk patrol
#

That's why you just look up the best runs

#

Or just read anything Daredevil

#

Since basically all his stuff rocks

deft sedge
urban spire
#

what if i just read transmetropolitan again

deft sedge
#

I can't deal with marvel or superheroes or any of that stuff

urban spire
#

we are way, WAY off topic now

deft sedge
#

hell do it

#

good book

#

From Hell is my favourite comic thing

urban spire
#

how about that clovis the redeemer

deft sedge
#

sweet model

#

especially his little desk guy

urban spire
#

loved his comic

deft sedge
#

never read it

#

I read that Tancred Endures comic

#

that was pretty good

urban spire
#

it's some good-ass classic 40k, stupid over the top, could be satire but if it is i'm not english enough to understand what it's satirizing

dusk patrol
#

The Calgar Comic honestly is really good

#

Pretty funny too

urban spire
#

never heard of it

dusk patrol
#

Its easy to find online

#

Its just solid

deft sedge
urban spire
#

i couldn't say

tired tapir
#

which primarch were a set of twins?

urban spire
#

alpharius and omegon or something?

#

yeah

near river
topaz pelican
near river
#

incomprehensible heretic noises

topaz pelican
# near river *incomprehensible heretic noises*

Love the Emperor
for He is the salvation of mankind

Obey His words

for He will lead you into the light of the future

Heed His wisdom

for He will protect you from evil

Whisper His prayers with devotion,

for they will save your soul

Honour His servants,

for they speak in His voice

Tremble before His majesty,

for we all walk in His immortal shadow

#

Quail Heretic!

near river
#

PRAY FOR THE GIFTS OF NURGLE! LET HIS VERULENT GIFTS BLESS YOUR IMPURE FLESH! LET HIS BLESSINGS FILL YOU WITH POISONIOUS BILE! HE SHALL SAVE US FROM MORTALITY! HE SHALL SAVE US FROM THE FAILINGS OF THE CORPSE EMPEROR!

deft sedge
#

warhammer larping

#

pls no

hushed kayak
#

is it possible for a powerful psyker sorcerer to navigate a ship through the warp?

deft sedge
#

yessir it is

#

if they’re not a navigator it can be a big pain in the ass

hushed kayak
#

even without a navigator?

#

oh okay

deft sedge
#

and maybe doom the ship

#

maybe not alone completely

#

they could like “grab the wheel” so to speak

timid ferry
#

Derp

deft sedge
#

you're not really wrong my bro

#

I misread his question

#

the nearest thing is in a book or two a psyker kind of "grabs the wheel" or drops them out of the warp suddenly when the navigator die

hushed kayak
#

i was rereading Blood Reaver, and realized Ruven could do it.

IMG_6197.webp
deft sedge
#

yeah that's what I was thinking of actually

#

sucks to be Ruven lmao

hushed kayak
#

LMAO

#

he had it coming

deft sedge
#

not wrong. so did the exalted

hushed kayak
#

rip Vandred, went down like a true captain

deft sedge
#

FR rip vandred

#

I like when they do the space combat well

hushed kayak
#

that part was amazing, still pisses me off they lost the covenant of blood. All that hard work for just another ship.

deft sedge
#

best thing IMO across those books is Malcharion's dread fight

#

so baller

hushed kayak
#

heavy gear shift = laughing

thick cedar
#

What exactly would be needed to resurrect the emperor back to his former glory?

dusk patrol
#

A very very powerful psyker I believe

#

This is actually a plot point of the Vaults of Terra series

thick cedar
#

resurrecting the emperor?

swift hound
#

Does orn are skaven?

dusk patrol
#

Basically, a solution to the issue of the throne failing

arctic talon
thick cedar
#

if the throne fails will it be a "true" death? what happens then? isnt the emperor super important at keeping chaos at bay from engulfing mankind at large?

dusk patrol
#

We have no clue

#

But it would likely not be cash money for anyone in Sol

#

Or the Imperium

#

Its rigged to a doomsday device

#

Which will obliterate Sol if it fails

thick cedar
#

who designed that lmao

dusk patrol
#

Or more specifically I believe when the Emperor dies.

#

It was put in prior to the Siege of Terra

#

Vulkan made it

swift hound
#

What if emperor just resurrect as chaos god

dusk patrol
#

Called the Talisman of Seven Hammers

#

It can give daemons a true death

#

The idea was even if the traitors won and they killed the Emperor

#

The Talisman would wipe them all out

#

Including the daemon primarchs

#

Also it would prevent the warp rift from opening and consuming Sol I think?

swift hound
#

Wipe all out and sacrifice their power to bitrh new chaos god... the emperor

thick cedar
#

they probably shouldve left the manual to the chair

dusk patrol
#

Anyways as far as we're aware its still active

thick cedar
#

thatsounds really fucking important

dusk patrol
#

Even the Emperor didn't know how it worked

arctic talon
#

^

dusk patrol
#

Also, it wasn't supposed to do what it does now

swift hound
#

The powwr ust go somewhere

dusk patrol
#

It was jerry rigged to become what it is

arctic talon
#

Yeah the golden throne was retrofitted

dusk patrol
#

It was just meant to direct the Webway

#

It wasn't painful or anything

arctic talon
dusk patrol
#

Then it had to be retrofitted as Elite said

arctic talon
#

If you want an actual answer

dusk patrol
#

When Magnus broke the seals

arctic talon
#

Terra would explode into a new eye of terror

#

And the astronomicon wouldn’t be a thing anymore

swift hound
#

Trazyn : i want this

dusk patrol
#

Trayzn actually has a vested interest in the Imperium not falling

#

He, like all Necrons, does not want Chaos to win.

#

And the Imperium is a good buffer to prevent that.

#

Its why he helped at Cadia

#

Without him Cadia falls in the opening bombardment

thick cedar
#

Maybe he should help with the throne

#

even though that verges on "never happening ever"

dusk patrol
#

Even if the Custodes would let him

#

Which they wouldn't

arctic talon
#

I don’t think he knows

#

How the fuck it works

dusk patrol
#

He doesn't care to do that much and yeah

#

He doesn't know

#

Also, once again, a plot point of Vaults of Terra

thick cedar
#

i figured necrons would have greater insight to devices like that

arctic talon
#

I don’t think anyone alive in the universe knows

dusk patrol
#

Is something like what you're saying

arctic talon
#

It’s most likely eldar or old one related

swift hound
#

Maybe at the dire moment trazyn realise he yoink the manaul of golden throne long time ago

dusk patrol
#

Except they bring a haemonculus to examine the Throne.

#

And then it goes crazy from all the pain on Terra and gets killed by Custodes

#

Also the effort which was taken to get it on Terra was extreme and its implied several High Lords and extremely powerful Inquisitors were involved in getting it there.

swift hound
#

Imagine ork didnt belive emperor will die and warg enegy keep it that way

arctic talon
#

That’s not how that works

swift hound
#

Yeah... like yarrick

dusk patrol
#

So uh

#

Yeah

#

Not how Ork gesalt field works

thick cedar
#

I see a theory alot that the god emperor could become a chaos god because all the worship. is it possible thats where the story is heading?

dusk patrol
#

Possibly

thick cedar
#

throne fails, all the prayer energy gets unleashed and rebirths the emperor

dusk patrol
#

Its implied he already is a god in recent books

#

But we just don't know

#

Its not quite the same as Slannesh

last lagoon
#

I wouldnt say a chaos god as they are amalgamations of their respective emotions and stuff

dusk patrol
#

Also yeah

#

He's ascending or has ascended

last lagoon
#

I would say Emps spiritual part of him could become some sort of powerful warp entity

swift hound
#

Like that sister

dusk patrol
#

He would be a powerful warp entity but its not quite the same

#

Like how Living Saints arent the same as Daemon Princes

#

Even if there are similarities.

thick cedar
#

I personally hope he comes back lol

#

not quite like age of sigmar but having more directinfluence

last lagoon
#

Well he is active

#

As since Dark Imperium

#

Fuck

thick cedar
#

personally i just want to see how he reacts to the imperium. a lot of people say the emperor would hate what its become

last lagoon
#

So far he seems indifferent

#

I dont remember him saying anything about it to Guilliman

swift hound
#

If emperor ascend into god...at what sacrifice?

arctic talon
#

They already sort of are a warp entity

thick cedar
#

What is the dark imperium anyway

slate rock
arctic talon
#

It fucking sucks there

#

Like even harder then life normally does

slate rock
#

Grimmer darker^

#

I hate that I’m never saying that again

arctic talon
thick cedar
#

what if it loops around and becomes noblebright

slate rock
#

I have no idea as to what that is

thick cedar
#

basically the polar opposite to grimdark

slate rock
#

probably never going to happen honestly

dusk patrol
#

I would say thats unlikely.

#

Its just not how 40k works

thick cedar
#

A subgenre of fantasy fiction involving a heroic quest and good triumphing over evil.

slate rock
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I’ve always wondered.
Does chaos/the warp bend and warp chaos marine armor or do they intentionally make their shit look edgy?

dusk patrol
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Like Guilliman and the Primaris showing up was a big deal, but all it did was prevent the Imperium from completely falling apart.

thick cedar
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Etymology
noble +‎ bright, coined as an opposite of the older grimdark.

dusk patrol
slate rock
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lmfao.

swift hound
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What If he recanated after throne fail...and make all those psy energy from the trigger into recanated emperor? Like wipe all dust into one mold

dusk patrol
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Corruption makes them make a lot of those choices

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And also the warp will actually corrupt their stuff

worn pagoda
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Making this weirdboy has been... an experience.

slate rock
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Yeah ik the warp corrupts their stuff

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Bur I meant like

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The pointy metal armor n stuff

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Ceramite*

dusk patrol
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Yeah

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It corrupts their armor too

slate rock
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Thats kinda funny

dusk patrol
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Also they make it that way

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There's some stories where they grow armor like organically in forges and stuff.

slate rock
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that’s the funny part for me yeah.
Ik chaos does that shit with like, imperial knights n stuff

dusk patrol
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Made from weird warp flesh or whatever

slate rock
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Their dread noughts too

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Twisted n what not

dusk patrol
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So yeah its just a bit of both, sometimes more of one than the other.

swift hound
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Lamenter will come back and save the day

slate rock
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And nurgle’s flesh, eyes etc on their armor

worn pagoda
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Exorcists > Grey Knights.

slate rock
swift hound
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Lol

worn pagoda
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Ew. Lamenters.

dusk patrol
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Like possessed marines, that's all just warp corruption.

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Doesn't matter what they looked like before.

slate rock
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ew grey knights.
We’re all imperium.

worn pagoda
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Daemonpossessed are always just warp corruption.

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That's what happens when your flesh is host to a warp aberration.

dusk patrol
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But there's plenty of examples of marines just choosing to make their armor look like the classic CSM look.

swift hound
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How can daemon alive? We already kill slaanesh - tau

slate rock
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Slaanesh isn’t dead

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As far as I’m aware

worn pagoda
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That went way over your head

swift hound
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Not by tau understanding lol

slate rock
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yeah

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oh I’m not a tau fan idk anything about the tau

last lagoon
worn pagoda
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Mk. III > Mk. VIII > Primaris

swift hound
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They just kill one greater daemon and think its slaanesh

slate rock
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that’s kinda a given

swift hound
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So... yea....

slate rock
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oh so they’re chaos ignorant to a point mkay

arctic talon
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They literally have a caste system

swift hound
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Just remind me of those ratling who snipe tau enough till they send out stealth suit to counter

past hedge
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Haha hehe Tau ::)))

dusk patrol
rustic spruce
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What are those little dudes on the back of a skaven stormfiend

dusk patrol
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Rats

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Big ones

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Or well

worn pagoda
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Kastelan robot > Astartes