40k-lore-chat

[hexed shard]

the dauntless frigate?

[deft sedge]

TBF they are OP as hell

[deft sedge]

the dauntless is about the size of a Sword yeah

[echo vault]

I completely understand why they're gone, but it's a weapon that fits more as a named character thing

[deft sedge]

they're both frigates

[weak fossil]

Do the rules of 30k vs 40k reflect the lore that all the STCs had largely been scrapped and now the mechanicus is hunting for fragments of the templates the mechanicum formerly had?

[deft sedge]

could always say it's one but run it with paragon stats

[deft sedge]

uhhh not really

there's more old tech in 30k

[echo vault]

Yeah that's how I feel, like the kaesoron guy could have a divining blade (paragon) and a combi grav

[echo vault]

I'm saying it was a change between heresy editions from the black books forge world sold to what they have now

[weak fossil]

That's a shame. Yeah, the old tech is supposed to be superior in every way to the new tech, because the new tech is just the old tech rediscovered, except that which Cawl came up with.

[echo vault]

1.0 praetors could have some insanely weird and op guns

[deft sedge]

personally i would always take banestrike over combi grav

[deft sedge]

it's better how it is now. in 1.0 everyone was running paragon blade

[hexed shard]

Is the mourning star the only ship defending tertium? or are we one of many?

[timid ferry]

Dauntless is a light cruiser

[deft sedge]

100% certainly one of many

maybe the only inquisition ship

[timid ferry]

Firestorm is a frigate. An escort

[signal bramble]

I don’t think they specified if the navy is there.

[deft sedge]

they do, yeah. we are accompanying the strike force

we're basically running side missions while the war happens

[echo vault]

I just think giving a named character a weird esoteric gun could be cool

[signal bramble]

Ah gotcha.

I just woke up. Couldn’t remember.

[shadow plover]

There is some dialogue mid game where the characters discuss the ongoing war and mention the navy so I presume there are more ships about

[hexed shard]

and brahms is like a contractor?

[deft sedge]

the biggest difference is probably volkite and such

[hexed shard]

kinda like a mercenary?

[echo vault]

Like the first blast master sound weaponry that noise marines use

[deft sedge]

y'all good bro good morning

[hexed shard]

i know shes a rogue trader

[tulip sand]

so i was at a business conference the past few days and on the train/in my hotel room i listened to some of the ciaphus cain series

[deft sedge]

rogue trader is like an East India Company merchantman

[signal bramble]

Im not sure if there is full on void warfare though. The navy might have just been transporting the guard.

[tulip sand]

shits hilarious

[weak fossil]

What is volkite? Sorry, I love the lore stuff, but never got into the tabletop game.

[signal bramble]

It’s a microwave gun.

[tulip sand]

apparently its powercreef

powercreep

[deft sedge]

basically microwave guns

[tulip sand]

this gun is even MORE powerful

[deft sedge]

you can take them as an alternative to bolters for a support squad

[timid ferry]

Tbh, should we fail in our mission, the mourning star will probably be tasked with leveling the hive

[deft sedge]

highly doubtful

[signal bramble]

I don’t think we will get volkite but I really want a melta weapon. Melta is my favorite 40k weapon.

[deft sedge]

it ain't got the guns for that

[shadow plover]

could be, can't recall exactly what they discussed about it. Something about fighting though

[weak fossil]

Well, alright, time for suspension of disbelief I guess, because that gun is already a thing.

[echo vault]

Nanyte Blaster is a relic praetors could take in the original heresy edition, basically like fuck you and fuck everything the gun

[hexed shard]

thats like trying to level NYC with a machinegun

[deft sedge]

in 40k you mean? I believe you can run volkite on primaris already

[signal bramble]

Actual Volkite is rare. Cawl made something called neo Volkite though.

[signal bramble]

Neo Volkite.

[deft sedge]

for example

[echo vault]

It was volkite in that if anyone got hit they'd light on fire but it'd cause them to blow up and light other people on fire

[deft sedge]

ah

[shadow plover]

some forge world models also have the proper volkite

[tulip sand]

powercreep

[shadow plover]

for 40k

[deft sedge]

honestly they work the same so I never thought they were different lol

no moritat in 40k though which sucks ass

[tulip sand]

https://tenor.com/view/cowboy-twerk-gif-25483950

uh my gun is even MORE powerful

[echo vault]

What if in lore the reason they made hive cities was so they could prevent 9/11 2

[signal bramble]

I don’t expect our characters to get Volkite. There’s no reason why we can’t get melta though.

[shadow plover]

there most likely will be a melta down the line

[weak fossil]

And we have flyback transformers that can make microwaves and lithium batteries. We have the ability to commit those war crimes today.

[deft sedge]

definitely melta comin

until then buy sororitas bits

[signal bramble]

I hope so. Melta weapon are awesome.

[deft sedge]

lmao

[echo vault]

Out of all the specialist weapon types (Plasma, flamer, melta, grav, volkite) what would he the coolest to use

[deft sedge]

the age of darkness box has been very fun so far but it pisses me off how they did the special weps

had to kitbash all my meltas

3d print all my volkites

[tulip sand]

lucius lasgun is the best

[echo vault]

Lucius anything is the best

[deft sedge]

probably volkite

at least it won't blow up in your hands

[echo vault]

Except for Lucius the eternal fuck that guy

[shadow plover]

these were discovered during the beta and one of them is a melta

[tulip sand]

my university had 3D printers in its libraries and I know some people made and printed stuff for their miniatures

[deft sedge]

ohhh we're talking Darktide lol

I thought you meant melta in tabletop

[signal bramble]

I love using a flamer to purge the pox walkers and heretics.

[deft sedge]

probably they didn't make the melta yet because there's basically no canon of how it looks or works

the blast I mean

it's inconsistent

[shadow plover]

😄 oh yeah tabletop has plenty of melta

[deft sedge]

I was like ??? lol

[echo vault]

Nintendo shitcube

[timid ferry]

Pretty sure it doesn’t need em. iirc I saw a macro cannon on its hull and that will do the job. That’s still bigatons worth of energy being thrown around. Just isn’t ideal

[deft sedge]

for sure. I have a huge shipment readying today

165 custom bits for my sons of horus

[shadow plover]

I'm also waiting for my custom bits to be printed for my SoH

[deft sedge]

I got heads, shoulderpads, torsos, volkite, lascannons, banners, sigils, coming

super stoked

[deft sedge]

did you order already? I can recommend a vendor

always happy to give him more business he's a boss

[shadow plover]

I've got a few STLs, friend will be doing the printing

[echo vault]

I bought recast mk.ii marines since they don't sell them

[shadow plover]

but I don't mind seeing more options

[signal bramble]

Melta could have a niche at least. A gun that can go through the armored enemies and let the classes that can use it take out armored dudes at a distance.

[deft sedge]

IMO Space Marine did it just fine

[signal bramble]

I liked the melta in inquisitor martyr.

[shadow plover]

the shotgun blast is a bit iffy but it worked within that game to fill a niche for a shotgun

[deft sedge]

I unironically loved the shotgun blast haha

ZHOOM

[deft sedge]

most stoked for this banner

[shadow plover]

Looks nice even if it's a bit stiff

[deft sedge]

I'm gonna greenstuff some folds and stuff on it

[shadow plover]

I'll probably try and freehand something nice on a sheet of aluminium

[echo vault]

I want to take a bite out of that

[deft sedge]

I gotta get my hands on Maloghurst

sweet model

[echo vault]

They should use the molds they use to make titans and other forge world models and just use them to make chocolate versions of models

[shadow plover]

I love Maloghurst's model

[echo vault]

I want to take a giant bite out of a thunderhawk

[shadow plover]

will definitely get it at some point

[deft sedge]

I'm gonna get it as a recast likely

hate forge world, won't buy from them

had horrible experiences in the past

[shadow plover]

I'm a bit too picky on the cast quality so I'll just get it straight from FW

and their customer service is brilliant if the cast is iffy I can always get a replacement

[echo vault]

I bought forge world a while back just some upgrade kits and they didn't come in one box they sent me 3 boxes for 1 order

So just like a box for shoulder pads, one for heads, and one for a praetor

[shadow plover]

and all the newer releases are honestly amazing quality

I got the SoH extra heads and they are crisp

[weak fossil]

So how do the thousand sons replenish their ranks, if looting geneseed doesn't cut muster?

[deft sedge]

they don't

each rubric lost is an irrecoverable loss

Khayon says there is a way to get Rubrics back, but it's an insanely taxing ritual

[weak fossil]

Oof, every game involving rubrik marines can't be canon because the numbers just aren't there

[deft sedge]

they burned me hard about 10 years ago on a big order (1500$+)

never went back

[shadow plover]

oof

even after contacting the support?

[weak fossil]

Khayon's a liar. The Ynnari rubbed his nose in it.

[deft sedge]

yeah. the rep literally said "deal with it" to me

[deft sedge]

LOL

[shadow plover]

oh wow, can understand the aversion then

but honestly at least the past 5 years they have been nothing but amazing when it comes to customer service

but I don't know if it's different in the states

[echo vault]

I'm cursed to like 30k legions that don't use much heavy vehicles, like I love emperor's children and white scars but they have like only 1 land raider

Where's the fancy armored divisions 😔

[deft sedge]

I'm glad you had a better experience. When I get burned by a company I'm just done. Besides, they're not the only game in town like how they were a decade ago

[deft sedge]

I'm not in the US. currently I'm in Canada but this order fiasco happened in Scotland

[shadow plover]

I see

very unfortunate indeed

[deft sedge]

tough because of how they are releasing stuff

no plastic bikes for you

no plastic assault squad (wtf GW)

[shadow plover]

well yet

there will be one 100%

[deft sedge]

for sure but can we wait that long??

[shadow plover]

😄

true

[deft sedge]

last heresy thursday was so disappointing lmfao

[shadow plover]

Was it the old ultramarine head re-release

yeah that was pretty lacking

[echo vault]

No I'm just saying due to their doctrine they don't use big vehicles a lot

So not too many land raiders Spartans fellblades

Stuff I like

[deft sedge]

what, adding 2 grooves to mark 6 helmet isn't good enough for you?

those grooves were made on Macragge

[shadow plover]

oh you mean the new heads, those were pretty average, I was thinking the old MK III or IV heads they re-released for made to order

these

[deft sedge]

yeah those IMO are abominably bad

the heads

[shadow plover]

yeah

[deft sedge]

love this ^

[shadow plover]

really showing their age

[deft sedge]

it's hysterical I would give someone 5$ if I saw them play this

"brother, the lower knee Corswains desire proximity to the enemy!"

[deft sedge]

I can't unsee this as a facehugger

[shadow plover]

yup!

[deft sedge]

it's not even symmetrical ffs

[shadow plover]

well they're old hand sculpted heads so that I can forgive

[echo vault]

Have you seen the sons of Horus upgrade heads

The older ones

[deft sedge]

yeah, with the topknots?

they look like the Black Knight from darksouls

[echo vault]

This guy

The other ones are cool but this one is funny

[deft sedge]

ah yes the Pig Helmets

[echo vault]

He's going oogh

[shadow plover]

there's a certain charm to them though

[echo vault]

I like the reaver helmets with the massive grill they look cool

[shadow plover]

the Reaver helms are great though

[echo vault]

I like them

The guy on the right specifically

[deft sedge]

yeah i picked up some of the redwarden ones

[shadow plover]

I got the redwarden STLs as well, they're very nice

[echo vault]

Behold, my plans for long chain axe

[shadow plover]

My Reavers, I really liked working with these so I'll probably order 5 more on a later date

[shadow plover]

lovely

[echo vault]

It came to me in a dream, two handed chain axes only exist for world eaters or night lords so making it fancier is good

[deft sedge]

these are sweet man

[shadow plover]

cheers!

[deft sedge]

mine so far

[shadow plover]

ye saw these earlier, nice use of the black templar bits

[celest dome]

Don't the Space Wolf have them too ?

[deft sedge]

cheers

I'm getting into it. I'm old now and havent done Warhammer in like 20 years

working with plastic is a trip

[shadow plover]

I started around 5th or 6th edition but then I stopped until I restarted the hobby in 2017

now I have around 300 painted minis I think

[deft sedge]

I started again during the pandemic

got about 40 maybe?

[shadow plover]

I went in hard when I started and painted like 2k points worth of ultramarines in a month

spent 12 hours straight painting one weekend

[deft sedge]

damn 2k in a month

airbrush?

[shadow plover]

nah

I only got one this summer

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/shaun-respect-shaun-ali-g-ali-g-shaun-gif-22726546

I'm shopping for one now

[rose thorn]

PfFfff

[deft sedge]

what kind of airbrush you got?

[shadow plover]

we talked about this yesterday I think in #40k-minis-and-armies 😄 I'm the Sparmax guy

[deft sedge]

LOL

I gotta get my friggin dementia test already

my brain meat gone bad

[echo vault]

Idk

A chain axe staff just sounds cool, make the axe part long

[deft sedge]

I like the double head chain axe look

[celest dome]

Isn't that an Ork Chain axe ?

[deft sedge]

sure

[signal bramble]

I believe they prefer “Choppa” which come in both chain and non-chain variants. :p

[rose thorn]

everyone excited for gulliman beats the shit out of a daemon primarch part 3?

[celest dome]

Who did he beat already ? Morty and ?

[shadow plover]

well basically he didn't beat up morty but the other way around and then the emps sorta possessed guilliman iirc

[signal bramble]

He beat morty but not alone.

[celest dome]

So who did he beat ?

[dusk patrol]

When did he ever beat one?

He barely survived against Magnus and definitely didn’t beat him, he straight up lost to Mortarion

[rose thorn]

uhhhhhhhh wait didnt he kick the hsit out of magnus?

ah

[dusk patrol]

He almost got killed by Fulgrim

[rose thorn]

never mind then

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

lmao

[dusk patrol]

At best with Magnus you can say he didn’t die to him which was kinda a victory but he only managed to do that with a ton of support

[celest dome]

The only one he beat would be Omegon

But it most likely isn't what happened

[gusty sequoia]

is space marine good guys or bad guys im confused

they do good and also do bad

[signal bramble]

Yes.

[deft sedge]

space marine is like marine but space

where there is no water

[signal bramble]

In all seriousness, there are no good guys in 40k.

[storm jungle]

They Space while also doing some Marining

[rose thorn]

warhammer 40k and AOS live in a galaxy that isnt black and white or grey. its all black and evil

[storm jungle]

also i swear this question is like, legit kindergarten tier

i dont wanna mock but

[deft sedge]

is human good guys or bad guys?

they do good

but also do bad

[storm jungle]

LMFAO

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/think-emoji-thinking-in-thought-rotate-gif-8083088

[rose thorn]

lMAO

[storm jungle]

Honestly

a more complex question than most 40k subjects jokes aside

[deft sedge]

is John Milton's Paradise Lost an example of pro-Christian rationalization of the biblical story, or is it in fact a responsa to the inherent duality of sin in terms of responsibility?

sorry I mean "does red make go fast?"

[storm jungle]

SFDKDSKF

my guy you went full Bateman on me for real

[deft sedge]

BUT 3E CODEX SQUATS SAY RED MAKE GO FAST

[rose thorn]

the whitescars have red, the fast eldar are red,

hmmm

slaanesh is purple which is red

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/4chan-dubs-check-em-patrick-bateman-thou-art-server-gif-19571156

[storm jungle]

THANK YOU

[rose thorn]

oh yeah, real warhammer question, what subfactions would you consider have a hunting culture.

[deft sedge]

do you like Warhammer 40,000? I've been a big GW fan ever since the release of their 1980 codex, "Rogue Trader". Before that, I didn't really understand any of their work. Too artsy. Intellectual.

in my opinion "Matt Ward's Space Marine Codex" is the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility, at the same time it deepens and enriches the meaning of the previous eight editions

In terms of plastic craftsmanship and sheer codex writing skills this codex hits a new peak of professionalism.

[storm jungle]

Sauce why do you have copies of old White Dwarf magazines on the couch I'm sitting and on the floor

[barren tapir]

Exodite eldars, tau also have huge hunting culture

[deft sedge]

don't worry about it

[celest dome]

Mostly all

[deft sedge]

let me simply retrieve my plastic raincoat

with no problems at all

[storm jungle]

[celest dome]

Each have some hunting subgroup

Like the Tau with the kroot

[barren tapir]

If you meant subfactions like chapters of SM then white scars have a super great hunting culture

[rose thorn]

as like, 'we must hunt the great beast!' i know theres a chaos and imperial knight house like that

[barren tapir]

Indigan praefects, white scars... Catachans too... Quite some knight houses as you already know...

The one that stick most to that quote are the white scars though

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Master_of_the_Hunt

[celest dome]

The Kroot, the Orks, the Armageddon Ork Hunters, Catachan...

Khorne

[rose thorn]

Back

[odd trellis]

does anyone have a resource that actually cites publication date of when-things-came-to-be in the universe? All the fandom encyclopedias and the like don't, so, sussing out things like when Kaldor Draigo was added to the lore can get complicated (2011 in that case, it's an example where it's possible to). But finding when, say, (and staying with the theme) the Grey Knights were introduced altogether gets muddy and impossible because the citations in all the encyclopedic resources never cite publication date and rarely cite retrieval date for online resources (for reference the grey knights are referenced in 1991 but I'm not sure since most encyclopedic citations of their lore start with the 2011 Codex made for the 5th edition which revised a lot of their lore)

[deft sedge]

not really

best bet is searching for earliest mention

[odd trellis]

like via google dorks or

[deft sedge]

what is google dorks

[odd trellis]

oh that's a hacking term I guess. Like messing with the advanced search configurations to filter out huge amounts of data, in this case using site: and date ranges (daterange:)

[deft sedge]

you will also run into issues based on "came to be"

many things were introduced to the lore but only later received models

several things have reused names from previous iterations but don't resemble them

e.g. Thunder Warrior Primarchs

[dusk patrol]

I doubt even GW or BL has that info easily available, they had a guy who used to

But idk if they’ve continued working on compiling it since he left

[deft sedge]

I gotta be honest with you and say I don't know bupkes about that

[odd trellis]

or like 1st edition dreadnoughts looking completely different

[deft sedge]

why are you curious about the information? just curiosity?

WH predates the internet so you have a big barrier with searches there as well

[dusk patrol]

You also have issues where stuff was just introduced in one White Dwarf magazine from decades ago

[rose thorn]

ooOOO,, oh yeah dont htey have a big book of ppl to hunt

[odd trellis]

lore revisions that've changed things significantly across editions mostly. The 'always has been' attitude is jarring. In the case of Kaldor Draigo there's situations where people claim Khal Drogo is based on Kaldor Draigo when the former was in a book published in 1996 and the latter only seemingly came to be in 2011. Basically in a social sense or semiotic sense the lack of irl-chronicity results in a very messy reality for what-was-influenced-by-40k vs what-influenced-40k. Also the refinement of the symbolism within 40k to the current high-gothic Holy Roman Empire situation.

Sometimes seemingly simple questions get muddied. Like, 'when was the destruction of Cadia published' is seemingly 7th edition (2016) but it's difficult for me with what's at hand to suss out if the destruction occurred in the lore beforehand

[deft sedge]

I would personally advise you to abandon this pursuit as it will only cause you pain

that Khal Drogo thing is hilarious though. Despite his appearance GRRM is not a Warhammer fan

[odd trellis]

yeah if anything it's likely the opposite happened

[deft sedge]

I dunno I'd say it's likely a coincidence

[odd trellis]

could be. Easier to chalk it up to coincidence when nothing is documented, though

[barren tapir]

Yes, they have a list of things that need to be hunted down and killed

[deft sedge]

I just dont see how they could be connected tbh

[odd trellis]

Like I can think of maybe 2 different figures trapped in the warp fighting for all eternity in 40k, Drogo and an Orc. But the way things are(n't) documented I'd have to engage with what you referred to as pain to figure out which one was first and the relative time between them

[deft sedge]

is the person suggesting they read GOT and based only the name of the grey knights leader on the name of the dothraki leader?

[odd trellis]

idk if authorship is even maintained

[deft sedge]

makes no sense

[odd trellis]

"the person" the argument I was referring to was spurred because the GoT tv show came out in April of 2011 the exact same month as Codex: Grey Knights, whose author, Matthew Ward, is a fan of GoT
Scratch that last part
https://twitter.com/thetowerofstars/status/1307799273686421505

Matthew “We’ve become … archetypes” Ward (@thetowerofstars)

@madalyn_mcleod Never even picked a copy up.

And I didn’t even get more than fifty pages into A Game of Thrones ...

Twitter · Sep 20, 2020, 9:50 PM

he also worked on Vermintide and Darktide, as an aside

[brittle slate]

Every day another misstep for that guy

[celest dome]

Wait are you speaking of Draigo ?

[timid ferry]

Ward, the accursed one, I think

[deft sedge]

yes I am familiar with the Cursed One, Matticus Wardicus

[odd trellis]

I'm unfamiliar with this lore where can I read up on the cursed one lore

[timid ferry]

Progenitor of Our Sacred Liege, Khornate knights, sister snuff, and Gary Stus

[deft sedge]

you can just check up his independent authorship sales which occupy the lowest circle of Hell, where all is ice

[last lagoon]

I think its better not be cringe and not call the guy "The cursed one"

[deft sedge]

"[t]he Ultramarines are undoubtedly the best Space Marines ever. Yes, really! Thanks to the heritage of Guilliman and their myriad heroic deeds, the Ultramarines are the exemplars of the Space Marines. With a few fringe exceptions... all Space Marine Chapters want to be like the Ultramarines and recognize Marneus Calgar as their Spiritual Liege." Matthew "Spiritual Liege" Ward

[odd trellis]

dang double negatives really do make this confusing but I think I get what you're saying, that it's cringe to call him taht

[deft sedge]

kidding aside he gets a bad rap

mostly the company was badly mismanaged at that time

and they gave ol' Matt free reign

[last lagoon]

Mans got more than a bad rap

The communities reaction is the reason GW doesnt publish codex author names

[dusk patrol]

He’s done some really good stuff too

Vermintide being the obvious example

I think he was also attached to this game

And he’s probably written a shitton of stuff for GW since

[deft sedge]

my guy if we are measuring things by the WH community's reaction there is no light at the end of the tunnel

[dusk patrol]

They never attach authors to codexs anymore for a reason

[brittle slate]

that and they don't have to share sales

[storm jungle]

meanwhile 9th Ed Codexes:

"Lets recycle all the lore"

🧠

[deft sedge]

5th e my beloved

[brittle slate]

3rd, my first love

also, this ogryn story is amazing:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNpb0dLNhE

[broken echo]

How many eldari groups are there? There are the aldari (space high eleves) and the drukhari (space dark eleves), are there space wood elves or is it just those two?

[deft sedge]

you got more

you got your Exodites (dinosaur elves)

they are basically yes space wood elves

you got your Ynnari which are made up of all kinds of eldar but GW clearly hates the Ynnari so I wouldn't worry about them too much

you got your Corsairs which are space elf pirates

[broken echo]

dinosaur elves... what

Do they ride them or?

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[broken echo]

huh

[dusk patrol]

They ride T Rex’s and raptor lookalikes mostly

[dusk patrol]

They don’t get a lot of appearances sadly

[deft sedge]

they ride the shit out of them

[dusk patrol]

Maybe a proper army one day

[broken echo]

"space elf pirates" aren't those just drukhari?

[deft sedge]

kind of. Drukhari live in Comorragh under Vect

[dusk patrol]

There’s a middle ground

Often some overlap

[deft sedge]

corsairs can be made up of craftworlders and drukhari or a mix of both

[broken echo]

You could say they're ***extinct *** 🥁

[dusk patrol]

Corsairs can still be aligned with CWE basically, but it’s often a path to becoming a Drukhari for some CWE

[dusk patrol]

Also they’re mostly younger Eldar

With the leaders being older

They’re the creepy dudes who hang out with teenagers and Vape a lot

[haughty lodge]

Amish* dinosaur elves

[dusk patrol]

Path of the Outcast, despite being a pretty bad book, does do a good job showing a lot of this

[deft sedge]

they use tech though

[dusk patrol]

They’re more simple than most Eldar but they do use a lot of the same tech

[haughty lodge]

so do Amish. They have wonderful tech like "butter churners" and "scythes"

far more advanced than cavemen, far less advanced than particle physicists

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s an ok general comparison, at least with how they live their lives

It’s not 100%

[haughty lodge]

Exodites maintain a fairly decent bit of Eldar tech, but they eschew a lot of it as well and deliberately live simple agrarian lives

[dusk patrol]

But it’s mostly ok

[haughty lodge]

but mostly I was just being cheeky

[deft sedge]

i dunno shit about the Amish I ain’t american lol

[haughty lodge]

religious cult that deliberately lives away from urban centers and maintains only a limited amount of electric technology out of principle

to avoid the corruption of "worldliness" and maintain greater devotion to God

[dusk patrol]

Varies a lot though depending

[deft sedge]

they're Christians or what

[dusk patrol]

Make great butter

[haughty lodge]

yes

[storm jungle]

Exos are literally the epitome of:

[dusk patrol]

And really nice houses

[haughty lodge]

Anabaptists

[storm jungle]

"Its not much. But its a simple life."

https://tenor.com/view/farm-farmer-farming-pizza-nick-offerman-gif-5336355

[haughty lodge]

Amish still use technology. They just don't use most electrical technology (but their carriages are fitted with simple lighting for safety's sake so that nobody crashes into a black horse-drawn cart in the dead of night)

[storm jungle]

but yeah wood elves in space

[deft sedge]

wow the Amish are hardcore

[storm jungle]

thats just a cookout

[dusk patrol]

She had it coming, that’s what you get for having a seizure in public

She thought

[deft sedge]

all I know them as are "those guys in America who dress like us kind of" lol

[haughty lodge]

yeah, they're religiously extreme pacifists

[broken echo]

Wait a second. Are they tying them to a ladder... then tipping them over into a fire? That's... excessive

[haughty lodge]

it's a central tenet of the anabaptists

[broken echo]

Slaanesh would be proud?

[rose thorn]

Any good AOS chaos books?

[storm jungle]

Slaanesh loves ladders yeah

[dusk patrol]

Bitches love ladders

Mmmhhmmm

[haughty lodge]

American Puritans actually didn't have much of a favorable opinion of Anabaptists

[deft sedge]

AOS I dunno but there are TONS of awesome Warhammer Fantasy chaos books

Palace of the Plague Lord

particularly good

[dusk patrol]

Ladders get you high

[storm jungle]

Excuse me

Wulfrik the Wanderer is right there

[dusk patrol]

So Slaneesh loves them

[deft sedge]

did he make it to AoS??

nice

[storm jungle]

No

LMAO

I meant the O.G book

[deft sedge]

ahhhh true true

[storm jungle]

Sigvald fucking made it but he didnt

and that makes me angry

[deft sedge]

lmfao sigvald made it

that's hilarious

[rose thorn]

Rip the uh,,, what are they called?

Chaos Vikings

Uhhh

[deft sedge]

lmao it makes me angy what they did to Malekith

[storm jungle]

Norscans

[rose thorn]

YEAH

[deft sedge]

"uhh he's a dragon now but also Black Magic"

[storm jungle]

Excuse me do you mean Malerion™️

[dusk patrol]

I’m just happy Settra won during the End Times. Man he had a great fucking final arc.

[deft sedge]

MaleBalerion

the Black Dread

[rose thorn]

damn it doenst have an audio book

[dusk patrol]

Everyone else lost

But Settra won

[rose thorn]

Wiat is all the good chaos books from fantasy?

[storm jungle]

Im pretty sure AOS should have some good chaos books

but i dont know the universe much

[deft sedge]

blood for the blood god is decent. it's about Genghis Khan becoming a herald of khorne

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[dusk patrol]

Also I guess Skarsnik won

[rose thorn]

I know skaven have a good one

[dusk patrol]

Because they forgot about him

Literally

[rose thorn]

But it’s SKAVEN

Not hard to make a good book with them lmao

[dusk patrol]

I would say they work better as villains for a book

[haughty lodge]

phew. This conversation almost made me miss my bihourly dick-flattening shop refresh check

[dusk patrol]

Than the subject

[rose thorn]

No audio book either :(

[haughty lodge]

got there with 14 seconds left 😛

[deft sedge]

I don't listen to audiobooks I don't really know

[rose thorn]

I listen to audio books so work isn’t terrible lmao

[storm jungle]

@deft sedge Also before I forget

Malekith shows up in the last lore update for AOS

Goes into Morathi's bedroom

and says

"Your bedchamber sure has seen its fair share of disasters as of late."

and leaves

[dusk patrol]

[deft sedge]

no fuckin way

[storm jungle]

IM SERIOUS

He still shit-talks his mom

[deft sedge]

“is that your Tor Anlec or are you just happy to see me?”

[storm jungle]

KJSDFKJDS

Also okay i misworded it a bit but heres the actual thing

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/294604960614842368/842766072657739836/image0.png?width=705&height=149

My guy has no chill

[deft sedge]

is morathi still canonically a snake bitch

[dusk patrol]

Idk if the guy who was malding about not staying in the fire one second longer for thousands of years and living with his mom the whole time should he shit talking anyone

[storm jungle]

Yep

[deft sedge]

how is she banging dudes??

[storm jungle]

MAGIC

also cosplaying as Khaine to get worship powers

people dont realise Khaine is dead lmao

[deft sedge]

so what youre telling me is

[storm jungle]

its fucking weird

[deft sedge]

a giant blend of darth vader, the wind of magic, and a fucking dragon entered his mom’s bedroom, a mom who happens to be a giant snake lady, and talks shit about her banging dudes in it?

truly this is the age of sigmar

[storm jungle]

YES.

[deft sedge]

why the hell does Morathi even have a bed lmao

[storm jungle]

Malekith is literally just, off in his own realm with his own dark elf bros

Morathi is with her own gal-pals

[deft sedge]

wild

the more things change...

[storm jungle]

the more they stay the same

the only problem atm is Malekith has no army or lore

he's a lot more background atm

[deft sedge]

or mini even yeah

[rose thorn]

Daughters of khaine <333

[storm jungle]

LMAO

[rose thorn]

Sisters*

[storm jungle]

Its hilarious because Malekith literally says his mom is a worthless bimbo

[clever steppe]

Where space dragons at?

[deft sedge]

I'm 100% certain that the malekith morathi thing is one writer at GW's idea

[rose thorn]

Extinct

[deft sedge]

who is a Nero fanboy

[clever steppe]

😔

[rose thorn]

House griffith killed all theirs and I think so did the salamanders

[deft sedge]

lmao did you read the Malekith series

[clever steppe]

My favorite emperor

[storm jungle]

I HAVE

[deft sedge]

at one point he says to her "I wouldn't even bang you if I were Aenerion", remember?

it was great

[storm jungle]

DSFKDLS

God fantasy had god-tier dialogue

[deft sedge]

fr it was great. I loved Wulfrik calling the leader of Kraka Drak a beardless midget

[storm jungle]

its super good

Malekith is literally also just

"I dont have TIME for bitches, I WANT MY CROWN."

https://tenor.com/view/wrrruutchxxxxiii-slapt-gif-21633451

[deft sedge]

lmao literally when his mom is trying to hook him up with hot Aelf bitches

[storm jungle]

my guy is doing that druchii grindset

[deft sedge]

like Malekith these are the hottest bitches in the world canonically

he's like "no, I want my Dhar"

"I hate the snow, it's cold, it's irritating, and it gets everywhere"

[storm jungle]

ksdlfsd

man he's good

id say i miss Fantasy but at least its still getting lore updates through RPG books

[deft sedge]

I do miss it, but not playing it on tabletop

I'm glad Total War kept it alive

cautiously optimistic for The Old World

[rose thorn]

Any other good chaos books?

[storm jungle]

AOS, 40k or Fantasy?

[rose thorn]

Not 40K

I’m trying to generalize my stuff

[storm jungle]

Hmm

so AOS then or?

[rose thorn]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Alright let me see

[rose thorn]

I’m gonna start an AOS chaos army anyhow

Not sure of the main 4

[deft sedge]

5

there's also Slaves to Darkness

[rose thorn]

Oh yeah

[storm jungle]

These are PRETTY good ones

[deft sedge]

for history's sake would recommend Liber Chaotica

was the first WH supplement to detail Chaos

it's cool as hell

[rose thorn]

I’ve never heard of spear of the shadow

Spear of shadows*

[deft sedge]

...is that Grimnir up there

[storm jungle]

Nah fyreslayer

literally if you were forced to make Slayers a standalone faction

[storm jungle]

Its pretty good!

[deft sedge]

this guy?

[rose thorn]

Is it from a series or just the name

[rose thorn]

Yeah that’s the god of the fire slayers

Kinda

It’s weird

[storm jungle]

Nope, novel

[rose thorn]

I think

[storm jungle]

https://ageofsigmar.lexicanum.com/wiki/Spear_of_Shadows_(novel)

[deft sedge]

so grimnir then

[rose thorn]

Wiat fuck is it?

Oh

Hhhhh

[deft sedge]

never loved slayers

[rose thorn]

Oh nah it’s not

[deft sedge]

big dwarf guy tho

[rose thorn]

Let me see if there is an audio book

[deft sedge]

The search for the first weapon, Gung, the weapon named in the title of the novel,

lmao these guys really made a spear

[rose thorn]

Damn it

[deft sedge]

named it Gung

[rose thorn]

No audio book of any of those

[deft sedge]

just chopped of the end of Gungnir

"good enough"

[rose thorn]

Chaos is just in that shadow realm where they can only be the antagonists in any audio book ever

[deft sedge]

official geedubs policy to not portray chaos as sympathetic

moms get angry and don’t buy little billy the Stormbreaker Assault Set if that happens

chaos is All Evil All The Time

[dusk patrol]

I do love the idea of Slayer Pirates

[rose thorn]

searchesTzeentch audio books
hammerhal

OH THATS HOW YOU DO THAT

[deft sedge]

"Ruddie go?"

"Ruddie go," I said in our childlike pidgin.

He sniffed ostentatiously as a tear rolled down his pockmarked cheek.

"Who Gambol play with?" He pulled an exaggerated sad face and started to sob theatrically. "Gambol sad."

I could see that. When I was young, I had thought of him as my closest friend. Now, I was unmoved by these cheap displays of fake emotion. In truth, he was once some criminal or heretic that had been turned into a wealthy kid's plaything - his legs amputated, his brain hacked into and his neural pathways slaved to a simple spectrum of emotions. Growing up, I had occasionally wondered what crime he had committed to deserve such punishment, and whether something lurked still beneath his neural circuitry. Was there a malevolence in his bloodshot eyes?```

imperium makes toys out of servitors

brutal

[sour glen]

does anyone have a site of the ranking of chaos units within the army?

[dusk patrol]

Like do you mean for the tabletop?

The hierarchy in lore can be flexible to say the least.

[rose thorn]

Eh I’m getting lords of science

It’s long and not 40 dollars

[dusk patrol]

It’s a good one

[rancid tide]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1eE-MPnuM-A New Vox transmission

[kind parrot]

wow just done ON Overwatch with veteran sorry...

i know it's not this chanels part

Did someone enjoyed the First Heretic book, started to like the Word Bearer Chapter...

Fuck Erebus

[stiff spear]

Is it possible that the blight from chaos gate daemon hunters is the same one in darktide?

[celest dome]

I hope we get Wormwood and the Heretic guy as mission announcer/talker

[rancid tide]

Here I am leveling up my 2nd character

and Wormwood is still stuck in the hive city?

[celest dome]

Yes ? But nothing really imply it to be the case apart from the shared origin (Nurgle)

[rancid tide]

LET ME SAVE HEEEER

[celest dome]

Nah, keep her in a secret place, so she has to take over the comms

[crisp heath]

Oh so you like warhammer 40,000?

Name all the warhammers then

[celest dome]

more of a meme than lore but alright

[stiff spear]

Also because of dealing with a so called "blight" whenever the disease is mentioned

[celest dome]

Blight is a synonym for disease

Nothing that noteworthy

Like we do know that we have a Nurgle Pox

[stiff spear]

True but my very last one is the fact that both take place in the same (caluxus) spelled wrong sector

[wind heron]

You think would be lore accurate to be able to recquisition specific weapons?

Like this no crafting specific weapon types is sooo annoying

[quaint sparrow]

Targeted crafting is coming in-time, for sure.

[deft sedge]

yeah, it would be

if anyone could do it, it would be an Inquisitor or retinue

[empty geyser]

"The giver of blessings untold, give up your mortality and be reborn." Curious what scary voice meant by this

[haughty lodge]

you takin' the piss, mate?

[empty geyser]

No I drink it from the tap

[atomic lodge]

I mean, that just sounds like a regular nurgle propaganda broadcast to me

[celest dome]

Nurgle is the lord of Decay and rebirth

[haughty lodge]

but seriously, are you actually asking that question, or are you being facetious?

[celest dome]

Simple as

[atomic lodge]

They’re calling for people to join the cult

[celest dome]

I don't bother wondering, I just give answer

[haughty lodge]

The Plaguefather will give you "blessings" of disease, remove your "mortality" by turning you into an "immortal" bringer of contagions, and "rebirth" you as a new cultist/poxwalker/whatever

[empty geyser]

Some theories point to failed chaos warriors. I just like the concept of something new

[haughty lodge]

if you're really lucky your mortal coil will be the fertilizer for a Plaguebearer

[celest dome]

Plaguebearer would act as nice Elite for the Derg

Since they are often portrayed with 2h weapons

[empty geyser]

See now we're thinkin

[celest dome]

Would be the Mauler for the Dreg

[haughty lodge]

I'd like them to emerge as a small group-based monstrosity

like, "five plaguebearers sharing one segmented HP bar, with one dying every 20%" or something like that

broadly not a fan of putting in Daemons as even "elite units". they should be rare

[celest dome]

Do the Plaguebearer have a linked health pool ? Don't remember that from Tabletop

[empty geyser]

That would be very interesting in terms of turning around a run

[haughty lodge]

excepting perhaps Nurglings, which could function as sack rats

[haughty lodge]

no. But if you had them introduced as a monstrosity, it wouldn't make sense to have a single one

[celest dome]

Ehh, depend, they should still be more frequent than the Beast of Nurgle

[haughty lodge]

then maybe elites with rarer spawn rates

like, maybe you get 10-15 per map total

[rancid tide]

probably the slogan for the premium shop

[celest dome]

I mean, how many Mauler do you usually see ?

[haughty lodge]

but in the tabletop they're a multi-man unit of up to 30

[dusk patrol]

On Damnation?

[haughty lodge]

Mauler+Reaper+Crusher total? Quite a lot

[dusk patrol]

I’ve seen like ten at once

Especially on endless

[celest dome]

Just Mauler

[dusk patrol]

Not joking, it gets insane with just maulers

[celest dome]

On Damnation seeing 10 Plaguebearer would be ok

[dusk patrol]

Luckily I’m Ogryn so they just all end up playing “butts to the floor”

[haughty lodge]

he said 10 at once, not 10 per map

[dusk patrol]

I’m not joking at ten either I counted them

[celest dome]

Yes, and I'm saying seeing 10 at once on Damnation would be ok

[haughty lodge]

I've seen many dozens of Ogryns on Damnation, usually at least 5+ in any smaller group

[dusk patrol]

And that wasn’t counting Ogryns

[haughty lodge]

okay. Well, I disagree, then

Ogryns are not daemons

it takes a lot of Warp fuckery to manifest large quantities of Daemons

[celest dome]

Game play and stuff

[dusk patrol]

Maybe as a monstrosity

Or a boss

[celest dome]

Boss I'm ok with

[haughty lodge]

well, that was my suggestion. have a group of Plaguebearers as a collective Monstrosity

a single Plaguebearer doesn't make much sense in terms of their relative power level to other Daemons

[celest dome]

Though they have no real ranged

[haughty lodge]

but since they fight in hordes, you could have them be, like, elite Poxwalkers

[deft sedge]

just toss one on a rotfly

hey presto flying boss

[haughty lodge]

super bulky, they each target individual players, apply corruption per swing, something like that

[celest dome]

So elite like the Mauler

But for Dreg

[haughty lodge]

no. Elites are not monstrosities

and are far more common

again, my central contention is that Daemons should be rare. It already strains credulity to find a Daemonhost or Beast of Nurgle in every other map, but I understand that something's gotta give for a good gameplay experience

[celest dome]

a single Plaguebearer doesn't make much sense in terms of their relative power level to other Daemons
but since they fight in hordes, you could have them be, like, elite Poxwalkers<
Elite for the Poxwalker faction, the Dregs

[haughty lodge]

but I don't want Plaguebearers scattered in between human mobs as individual standalone elites

[haughty lodge]

I meant "elite" as a term of art, not an in-game classification

"epic Poxwalkers". That better?

[celest dome]

Plaguebearer are spawned from Poxwalkers remain, it make sense to have them mixed in

[deft sedge]

not true

plaguebearers come from people who had Nurgle's Rot

the poxwalkers have got the Walking Plague

extreeeeemely different

[haughty lodge]

^

[deft sedge]

could always just make the boss a Herald tbh

[haughty lodge]

dammit I missed my shop check-in again because of this channel

[celest dome]

They aren't crafted from it, but they can use the remain of people who died of Nurglite plagues to materialise

[haughty lodge]

I had five 380-stat items in my 3 PM shop, I tell you what

[haughty lodge]

it's specifically Nurgle's Rot

it's not just any random Nurgle disease

[deft sedge]

he's saying the bodies

[celest dome]

To make them you need someone who died of Nurgle's Rot, but to materialise on the materium, you don't

[haughty lodge]

Nurgle's Rot is a soul disease. It kills both the body and the soul

[haughty lodge]

okay, fine, fine

[deft sedge]

he talkin about the body meat

[haughty lodge]

I retain my central position: they shouldn't be classified as elite enemies. They should be classified as monstrosities, or some sort of in-between

[celest dome]

A Herald as a Boss would be appropriate

[haughty lodge]

the only Daemon that should be remotely common is Nurglings

[deft sedge]

sure

[haughty lodge]

and I do contend they'd be cool as a sack rat archetype

[deft sedge]

if we got Bodvarr last game i don't see why not

[haughty lodge]

make a mad dash for the giggling ball before it escapes

[celest dome]

The Sloppity Bilepiper could be a great Monster

[deft sedge]

infinite horde call until you kill it

[haughty lodge]

the nurgling? that's a neat idea

[deft sedge]

nah i'm talking about ol sloppity

[haughty lodge]

that is both a neat idea and also more lore-accurate

[deft sedge]

nurglings never coming to darktide tbh I don't think

animation is a pain in the ass

[celest dome]

Their animation in VT2 aren't that difficult iirc

But they are just critters

[deft sedge]

i don't see anything coming to darktide that's not rigged to either a human skeleton or a skeleton of a previous engine enemy

[deft sedge]

there ain't no nurglings in Vermintide?

[haughty lodge]

it's not like Nurglings are particularly complex beings

[dusk patrol]

There are now

[radiant geode]

Loremasters explain this to me, if rule of cool applies then why have Games Workshop never added Chainsaw Brassknuckles to Ogryns?

[haughty lodge]

ball, two wiggly feet, two wiggly hands, and a mouth that opens and shuts

[dusk patrol]

For Halloween they added them

They’re basically just rodents

They don’t do much

[celest dome]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLMYusJvJIo&t=103s

[haughty lodge]

scale them up from the VT2 model or some such

[celest dome]

But just Critters and just seasonal

[haughty lodge]

all I'm saying here is that I'd like a sack rat mob

[deft sedge]

LOL

that looks like shit!

awesome

[deft sedge]

it's the swarming that is impossible to animate large scale

Total War had a bitch of a time animating the swarms

[haughty lodge]

? what would swarming have to do with it?

I'm suggesting they be placed in as single mobs, not swarms

[celest dome]

That's why they made it in group of Nurgling. And VT2 kept them as critter

[deft sedge]

because you have to rig multiple small animation skeletons that can interact and move w the environment

[deft sedge]

gross, then, what's the point

nurglings are swarms

[celest dome]

But they are very small

[haughty lodge]

sack rat

I want a sack rat

[deft sedge]

so why not just a dude with a sack

[haughty lodge]

1. Nurgle cultists aren't exactly the sorts to hoard gold

2. Nurglings amuse me

3. It'll be harder to kill the thing that's running away if it's 2 feet tall

[deft sedge]

uhhh

nurglings as sack rats reads like something you want dearly to happen at the cost of reality

[haughty lodge]

correct

[deft sedge]

i mean I like nurglings too, but they don't give a shit about gold either

not that the sack rat equivalent would even have gold

[haughty lodge]

see point 2

[deft sedge]

alright

this is a fun conversation

[haughty lodge]

I agree 😄

everyone else on the internet gets to spout off goofy bullshit they want to be added into DT. Let me dream of gold-filled cackling Nurglings!

[celest dome]

I'm just hoping they don't introduce things that don't make sense, like having Genestealer, Ork and Dark Eldar in the same game

[deft sedge]

i'm just hoping they get feature complete by 2023 lol

let's finish the game before adding stuff IMO

[signal bramble]

Genestealers see possible.

Chaos and gsc both having issues on the same planet is not unheard of.

[celest dome]

Still would mean that they have to fully separate the rosters, without any overlap

[atomic pelican]

Yeah, though they fight eachother as well. Probable that if something happens, separate missions

GSC specifically ally with Imperial forces usually against chaos

Which is rather funny

[celest dome]

Well it make sense

[atomic pelican]

Yeah, might as well kill those who aren't convertible + it's rather easy to dupe Imperial forces into convincing them your just like, planetary militia

Or brood brothers often

[celest dome]

A Chaos world is more likely to have Daemon, which the Tyr have no use for

[deft sedge]

for sure I could see them just allying like the rotbloods in V2

or just not explaining it at all

like the beastmen lol

[barren tapir]

Are you talking about nids hunting down demons?

[atomic pelican]

40k is hard to justify alliances alot harder than fantasy sadly

Esp between the antagonist factions

[celest dome]

The Rotblood and the Beastmen allying up with the Skaven make sense, End Time and all that

[deft sedge]

thats what im saying i doubt they would even justify it

[haughty lodge]

I agree with you that GSC wouldn't make sense insofar as they wouldn't want to be exposed and would fight alongside you, but Orks could make perfect sense. Orks making planetfall during a Chaos uprising would be big WAAAAGH! energy

[atomic pelican]

The only real antagonists that can be unified are like, forces of chaos with other chaos

[deft sedge]

people who care about the lore are probably 2.5% of the market for this game

imo

[haughty lodge]

specifically GSC in an unexposed cult hunting down Daemons

but if they're not exposed, then we logically wouldn't know they're there

[deft sedge]

i could definitely see fatshark just tossing new enemies in w very little justification

[haughty lodge]

so maybe GSC are already here in a third generation hive

most of the factions either wouldn't make sense lore-wise, or mechanics-wise

[atomic pelican]

It's less of a question if they're on Tertium(they certainly are) and moreso if they'll show up in game

[haughty lodge]

but Orks? Orks I could jive with

[atomic pelican]

There's basically no hive city that doesnt have a GSC presence LMAO

[haughty lodge]

what? There are plenty of hive cities without GSC presence

GSCs are harbingers of doom

[atomic pelican]

All the important named ones have Cults

Or a splinter cult

There's cults on terra, several

[signal bramble]

Not always.

[atomic pelican]

Not always yeah

But it's preferable!

[barren tapir]

The chance of GSC being in hive cities is extermely high, but it is not a guaranteed thing

[haughty lodge]

doesn't really matter if they're on Tertium or not, tbf. Again, if they're working with us, then we wouldn't know they were GSC

[signal bramble]

In the 8th edition Chaos marine codex it mentions a story where the alpha legion attacked a planet and caused a cultist uprising. When they did that the gsc launched their uprising and fought the cultists and the pdf.

Meanwhile once the alpha legion completed their objective they left the planet.

[atomic pelican]

Yeee, it depends on opportunity really

No reason not to just begin Ascension if all forces other than you are weakened

[signal bramble]

That being said, call me skeptical about them being able to program the AI fighting each other and us at the same time.

[atomic pelican]

Yeah I doubt that

[signal bramble]

But maybe a different set of missions in a different hive? Idk.

[haughty lodge]

back to this for a moment: I'd agree that permanent alliances are out of the equation, but detentes and temporary alliances can work between a few factions

[barren tapir]

I don't see why it is needed, we are after all infiltrating enemy territory, territory where hardly the two factions would be present at the same time

[atomic pelican]

Yeah they can, I added on that I mostly mean 'antagonist' types. Obvs you see 'good guys' working together fairly often. Eldar/Tau/Imperial forces etc

[haughty lodge]

well, I view them all as antagonists, so that may be where we had a communication breakdown XD

there's only one protagonist faction in WH40k, and it's the Necrons

come at me

[atomic pelican]

Oh they all are antagonists, I'm just not sure how to word the difference

More reasonable? Diplomatic factions maybe?

Form alliances rather often

[haughty lodge]

yeah, I getchu, no worries

[atomic pelican]

Darktide is rather pigeon-holed into like, GSC/other chaos factions since the acolytes are kind of just Goons but that's alright

Can't really face tau/eldar/anything about that power level

Or anything that doesnt work as a horde, including them

[deft sedge]

could see them do orks

[haughty lodge]

the other chaos factions are a bit tricky

[deft sedge]

majority gretchin

[haughty lodge]

Orks work mechanically. Problem is that lore-wise, every Ork should be like an Ogryn

[deft sedge]

beastmen were kind of a sweet spot for them in Fantasy since you got gors and ungors at human size

[haughty lodge]

and fighting a thousand ogryn at once would be obnoxious

[atomic pelican]

The most likely thing I could see, and it plays into just laziness, would be the cult expanding into the other gods for specials/etc

[deft sedge]

lol, i see something lazier

porting beastmen into it

[atomic pelican]

PAIN

[haughty lodge]

Tzeentch

[deft sedge]

you know its coming

prepare thy anus

[haughty lodge]

honestly he's the one that makes the most sense lore-wise and mechanic-wise simultaneously

[deft sedge]

ungor spearmen go brrrr

[haughty lodge]

Khorne wouldn't have any ranged attackers, and Slaanesh wouldn't have any hordes

[deft sedge]

why not ranged

[haughty lodge]

KILL MAIM BURN

[deft sedge]

khorne dont care, thats mostly a fantasy thing

world eaters have guns

etc

[haughty lodge]

maybe as they're zealously charging toward their targets to have more fun with battleaxes

[deft sedge]

nah bro they literally got guns

[haughty lodge]

Tzeentch could have ranged spellcasters, horde Tzaangors/chaos cultists, and could potentially have some non-monstrosity Daemon action with Horrors since they're multitudinous and not particularly threatening on an individual level

[signal bramble]

He would though it be less common.

His daemons have a cannon as well.

[deft sedge]

also, like, space ships

[signal bramble]

I forgot the name.

[deft sedge]

Lord of Skulls

Soul Grinder

[signal bramble]

The soul grinder.

Yeah.

[haughty lodge]

I thought you were talking about the Skull Cannon

[deft sedge]

even kharn’s got a gun

[signal bramble]

No wait.

[signal bramble]

Yeah that.

[haughty lodge]

Sauce... I know they have guns. I'm very well aware that Khorne Space Marines are physically capable of holding guns

[signal bramble]

Kharn has a plasma pistol in permanent overcharge. The mad lad.

[haughty lodge]

I'm saying that by and large, their cultists would, if lore-appropriate, be more focused on melee frenzy than behind-the-walls shooting, which works better in VT than it does in DT since the game has a lot more ranged focus

[deft sedge]

my dude you said “khorne wouldn’t have ranged attackers” it’s patently wrong. you don’t need to condescend to me

[haughty lodge]

forgive me for a bit of hyperbole

[signal bramble]

Oh man. If we could fight the blood pact that would be cool.

[haughty lodge]

Slaanesh also could have cultists in a "horde"

[barren tapir]

Blood pact would like to get a talk with you

[haughty lodge]

but by and large Khorne is very melee-focused, and the devs have set this game up to be more ranged-heavy

[signal bramble]

More like “whored” amirite.

[deft sedge]

cool then say that. don’t make bullshit statements then be condescending

[barren tapir]

Not entirely true

[haughty lodge]

it's not true that the devs have set this game up to be more ranged-heavy?

or it's not true that Khorne, as a faction, is melee-focused both in lore and on tabletop?

[barren tapir]

Not true that khorne is melee focused

[haughty lodge]

kk

[barren tapir]

Read about blood pact, that is is needed to know that khorne cultist with ranged is feasible and lore friendly

[haughty lodge]

I am well aware of the Blood Pact, and well aware that World Eaters own guns, and well aware that there are ranged profiles on Khorne Daemon Engines

as a faction, the faction is melee-focused. it always has been

arguing otherwise is like arguing that Tau are a heavy melee faction

or that Thousand Sons fight primarily with vehicles

[barren tapir]

Nah, berzerkers are, and they are melee focused because they are related to butcher nails, not khorne

[signal bramble]

Also I believe I figured out the vox transmission.

[barren tapir]

Khorne don't care how blood is shed and people killed, only that they are

[haughty lodge]

that's fine and dandy. As a game design mechanic, factions associated with Khorne are melee-heavy

[signal bramble]

There was a figure in the lore that spread something called the Plague of Unbelief spread by a figure called the Voice of the Emperor.

[haughty lodge]

I'm sure Fatshark could easily contrive in some new traitor guard regiment that took over the other hive city and they're Khornate

[signal bramble]

And it was used during the 13th black crusade and the Voice was never discovered.

[barren tapir]

Even nurgle is melee focused by gameplay mechanics, and yet we have them here with ranged too

[haughty lodge]

which is why I just said that Fatshark could contrive ranged into the game

I find it less likely that they'd introduce another chaos faction for the reasons I stated before

[barren tapir]

So you admit that you saying that khorne would fit this game was not right?

[haughty lodge]

nope

I don't think he'd fit this game as well

[signal bramble]

Daemons yeah. The chaos marines and cultists are a mix.

[deft sedge]

the plague marines are best in melee pretty much

[haughty lodge]

I also think they could shoehorn him in, like they could with Slaanesh or Tzeentch

[brittle slate]

I’m massively let down by kharn since he died

Now all the suicidal stuff he does doesn’t seem that important

[signal bramble]

He and the rest of the mortal characters would never actually die.

[last lagoon]

Honestly they could just do "Noticing the current conflict and weakening of Nurgle's forces, [Insert faction name] decides to take advantage" or something

[signal bramble]

Especially now that the WE are getting their own codex.

[deft sedge]

ye

[brittle slate]

That would explain them getting tabled so often in recent lore

[signal bramble]

I could see them adding another faction in another hive or in the wastes. That being said, I don’t think the devs have the AI to make them fight each other in unscripted missions.

[brittle slate]

But then nurgle was always the weaker if not persistent faction of chaos

[brittle slate]

It’s gonna be genestealers

[signal bramble]

Eh their power waxes and wanes.

[brittle slate]

Gotta be

[signal bramble]

I agree.

[brittle slate]

Nurgle has always been on the short end though

[signal bramble]

They have to keep the enemy power level relatively low.

[signal bramble]

Not always.

[brittle slate]

Look at how he got the deathguard

[signal bramble]

The lore states it’s a constant balancing act between them.

[brittle slate]

The lore saying something like that isn’t a lot of sand for actual events

[signal bramble]

During plague war nurgle got powerful but was distracted so tzeentch launched a sneak attack to weaken him.

[last lagoon]

Dark Imperium certainly had him being top dog for a while

[deft sedge]

he also the oldest

[brittle slate]

Out of the 4? Khorne attacked Terra

[deft sedge]

and most fundamental to reality

[brittle slate]

Persistent*

[haughty lodge]

Pfft. The only constant is change.

[deft sedge]

people might not fight, or hope, or go to excess but everyone dies

[haughty lodge]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-fantasy-kairos-fateweaver-warhammer3-tzeentch-gif-26150136

[brittle slate]

Yeah but no one really wants to sign up for the “death and plague” checkbox

[signal bramble]

Ah but that’s not how nurgle recruits.

He infects people and as they lay dying he offers them release from their pain.

[deft sedge]

pretty lazy with that name tbh

nurgle

[brittle slate]

Exactly. Not exactly the best we’ll to draw from

[signal bramble]

Though in dark imperium we see a nurgle planet where people are born and raised. Being sick and diseased is normal.

[brittle slate]

Ah, give sauce blocked me, true internet chad. Well- yes, I agree, very lazy.

[signal bramble]

They even use “get well soon” as an insult.

[uncut karma]

Didn‘t nurgle get smacked by the big E after morty tried to wreck G Man?

[brittle slate]

Yup

Kinda lame. But yes.

[signal bramble]

Tzeentch was also running interference to.

Nurgle had tzeentch and big E attacking the garden.

[brittle slate]

I hate that god combat is a thing now

[uncut karma]

Yeah, they granted him a boon when he interrogated the daemonhost

[brittle slate]

Too much fantasy

[last lagoon]

The blood crusade was also attacking Nurgle's part of space

[uncut karma]

Tzeentch is basically just a shitposter, best chaos god by far dude

[signal bramble]

Facing off against tzeentch and big E at the same time is gonna result in that individual getting smacked down.

[brittle slate]

Tzeench would be the strongest if he wasn’t so obsessed with manipulating even his own progress

[uncut karma]

Makes him interesting

[brittle slate]

They already had a showdown in the book Eye of Terror

[uncut karma]

Unpopular Opinion: Khorne and Slaneesh are plain.

[deft sedge]

on the other hand birds suck

[brittle slate]

And it’s much better than “I has sword!”

[deft sedge]

pretty much agree

[brittle slate]

I get absolutely exhausted by khorn

[deft sedge]

khorne especially

[brittle slate]

McNeill’s version of Khorn is best

[dusk patrol]

It’s more they’re just done boring most of the time

[brittle slate]

In that they’re basically tepid when they aren’t going bloodmad

[dusk patrol]

Stuff like the Blood Pact are an example of making Khorne more interesting

[uncut karma]

Nurgle has some interesting characters at least

[dusk patrol]

Slaneesh has so much potential but it’s always just like

[brittle slate]

Eh

[uncut karma]

And we gotta see if magnus is gonna do something i guess

[dusk patrol]

Drugs and weird sex stuff

[uncut karma]

I think angrons next to be told about

[deft sedge]

yeah and the jolly daemon thing is pretty unique

[uncut karma]

What is he gonna do? Kill shit?

[brittle slate]

There’s an unpublished McNeill book about thunder warriors that goes into Slannesh

[uncut karma]

thats the book

[dusk patrol]

That’s what daemons always do tbh

[brittle slate]

Honestly, McNeill’s take on chaos is even better than ADB

[uncut karma]

McNeills overall a good writer

[brittle slate]

Almost at Abnett’s level