40k-lore-chat

[deft sedge]

or a killgun

it's a killshot

if you threw a baseball with enough force to kill someone, you would probably be better than any player on the New York Mets

[crisp heath]

And probably thrown in jail for first degree murder

[desert solstice]

then how come it's referred to as a title in the penance clothing "killshot's duty uniform" for example

eitherway aight just was wondering if it was literal or a title for something

[deft sedge]

killshot is probably the name of the guy whose uniform it is

[rose thorn]

dark angel fans, i listen to luther and i absolutely obsess over the world of caliban

is there any more books on teh culture and world it self

[deft sedge]

not if you're OJ Simpson

[deft sedge]

then they just congratulate you and send you on your merry way until you break into a fan's hotel room 12 years later to steal a signed photo of yourself

[deft sedge]

you can read the poem "Dark Angel" by the poet Lionel Johnson which is their namesake

[rose thorn]

they book about the gay catholic?

poem*

[deft sedge]

hey yeah 100%

[rose thorn]

thats a great poem

[deft sedge]

you're the first one to pick up on that I've been posting about it for yonks

[rose thorn]

EWAIT THE WRITER'S NAME is Lionel???

pFfffff AHaha h

[deft sedge]

fr it's Lionel Johnson lmao

the "Fallen" being their shameful secret is equivalent to homosexuality from the poem

[rose thorn]

Gw being subtle challenge

[deft sedge]

the Fallen are canonically homosexual

[rose thorn]

(impossinle)

its funny, the book luther says lion got his name from a joke by one of the knights

[deft sedge]

damn can you post the excerpt

that's funny

[rose thorn]

and luther called him lion out of fear and humor

[deft sedge]

this book was so friggin boring I fell asleep while reading it

for me Hell is like, you only have this book and Battle for the Abyss

[rose thorn]

‘Must have been a really nasty monkey,’ said Larel, her jest breaking the tension that had been building, drawing laughs from me and Parican.

‘The apes have all migrated south,’ said Corboric, unamused as he looked back at the savaged monster. ‘A cat? Lion perhaps?’

yayda ydaa yada

[deft sedge]

lmfao "must have been a really nasty monkey"

[rose thorn]

‘You’re not going to attack, are you, Lion?’ I said loudly. I am not sure why I gave him the name; it was a poor joke to settle my nerves. To find a person when we had been seeking a beast was most unsettling, and as you can imagine I had no idea of the manner of person I had discovered.

context some wild animal seemed to kill a huge beast, and it turned out he lion as a teenager ripped out the throat and ran away

and they found him

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/scemn5/luther_first_of_the_fallen_luther_discovers_the/

[deft sedge]

cheers

[rose thorn]

also can we talk about how cool lion looked before the emperor

[deft sedge]

for sure in my mind he's basically a chaos warrior look

[rose thorn]

yeah i think that was the point lmao

[deft sedge]

i picture him kind of like Guts Marine

[rose thorn]

mild mild spoilers, the planet he is from is tainted by chaos, and animals mutate into deadly monsters and the land is always changing

[deft sedge]

ah its all good bro I don't care at all about spoilers

[rose thorn]

a river could me as long as a sea and the next week its a miles walk from teh shore

[deft sedge]

I literally will read the movie synopsis before I see the movie

[rose thorn]

lol

[rose thorn]

i was planning to listen to fallen angels,

[storm jungle]

Thats also good

[storm jungle]

Its basically only good if you are a Dark Angels fan alas

otherwise

[rose thorn]

Im a fallen fan tbh lmao

[deft sedge]

im scum Sons of Horus fan

[rose thorn]

modern dark angels seems annoying

[deft sedge]

pity me

[storm jungle]

They are annoying

the Rock™️ is apparently getting attacked according to some leaks tho so prepare for more narratives with them in it

[deft sedge]

honestly the king arthur thing for some reason I just miss

[atomic pelican]

Angron homophobia moments

[deft sedge]

I believe the next big event is DA, no?

sorry i'm baked

[storm jungle]

Yeah theres a SUPER crappy photo of a codex page

let me get it

[deft sedge]

👍

[atomic pelican]

Blood Angels and DA

I believe both new Dante and Azazel got leaked

[rose thorn]

yeah it was under attack ||at the end of luther||

[deft sedge]

dante primaris?

would bet money on it

[rose thorn]

like half of Luther and the moral fo teh story is how dumb the dark angels are being and they keep doing the same shit over and over and are destined to waste their time and fail

[atomic pelican]

Whatever he is, he will certainly be red

[atomic pelican]

and most likely have gold accents

[storm jungle]

Its crappy enough to be legit i think

[atomic pelican]

Vashtorr a-posing to assert dominance upon the Rock

[storm jungle]

this has a big vibe of "gotta nick a pic before the security tackles me" vibes

[storm jungle]

I THINK thats him on the picture?

[atomic pelican]

Yeee

[storm jungle]

it has wings

[deft sedge]

vashtorr huh

[atomic pelican]

Its def him

[deft sedge]

for sure

[storm jungle]

Welp we solved Meme-Arks of Omen

[atomic pelican]

Flag guy on right is the supposed Azazel

[rose thorn]

and literally the oh i thoguht it was gonna be cypher tbh

[storm jungle]

cypher is getting a new book ironically

[deft sedge]

definitely azazel

[storm jungle]

but its before these events when hes on terra

[deft sedge]

with that pose

[rose thorn]

im actually super hype i love cypher

except when hes

uh

[storm jungle]

Hes edgy but in a good way

[rose thorn]

yeah

[storm jungle]

A bit of uhhh

fuckboi™️

idk the term

something

[deft sedge]

fuccboi I believe is what the kids say now

[storm jungle]

tru tru

👩‍🦼

[rose thorn]

does he have any other books actually?

[final spruce]

Angron Smash

[rose thorn]

also the fact he is a tital is amazin

and there is a chance that there is multiple cyphers at the sametime

[storm jungle]

More or so kinda no? Cypher usually just makes A LOT of cameos/side appearances in Dark Angels books and then just fucks off

[final spruce]

But most likely won't lead nowhere apart from the SM getting another mini for their chapter Master

[deft sedge]

yeah in Gav Thorpe's books he jumps up a lot

[rose thorn]

yeah, in luther it takes about 3 thousand years from luther's capture for the dark angels to try to capture him

[deft sedge]

and he was just a guy

not even astartes

just some bald asshole

[rose thorn]

OH AND THE BEST PART Luther at the end of meeting every supreme grand master he explains if they keep trying to fix the past they are going to fail

he fucking snaps at one point and is just screaming at the top of his lungs at a supreme grand master who dies weeks later hunting the fallen that he is stuck in a cycle thats damning them more then just forgetting the fallen

[rose thorn]

cypher is great, hes like an alpha legion meme but it isnt spammed on reddit

[last lagoon]

You mean Azrael

[last lagoon]

Luther seething

[deft sedge]

"Grr"

[rose thorn]

oh yeah so basically he is kept in time stasis for the dark angels to interrogate fir anything fallen related

and from madness and magic bullshit he has flashes of the past and future every time he is asked about hte fallen

he predicts a load of wars with the orks but htey dont listen to him.

and then guess waht

the orks caused a laod of issues

and then they blame him for the curse

aka the book is talking about how annoying the dark angels are

[hollow sigil]

So darktide has made me realize how terrifying tech support in the 40th millennium is.

[brittle slate]

I liked when there was the potential that the big secret was that the Fallen had won

And replaced the dark angels

When someone was inducted into the 1st they were told the truth that they were in fact the traitors

[hollow sigil]

I mean that was the implied secret all the way back in the day.

[brittle slate]

This was back before meme culture, but early internet? Mwah

[brittle slate]

Yes- hence the “when”. Now it’s kinda boring honestly.

But that might be because I’m old.

[hollow sigil]

I mean its probably better than whatever the actual secret is

I havent kept up

[rose thorn]

man i hope fallen get rules in teh future :(

[hollow sigil]

The fallen have had rules

[rose thorn]

we do not speak of their 9th edition 'rules'

[brittle slate]

Honestly I haven’t either. I can’t really get into post 9th lore

[hollow sigil]

generally they operate as loners in charge of groups of cultists anyway.

[rose thorn]

they are not rules they are a spit in the face

[hollow sigil]

They had rules before 9th ed

[rose thorn]

i know i have the 8th edition cahos codex

OO LET ME REREAD THEM

[brittle slate]

Lol

[hollow sigil]

you could have a fallen in charge of traitor guard/cultists back in the day.

[brittle slate]

And cypher could lead guard and lost and the damn

[hollow sigil]

Also you could have traitor guard back in the day.

[brittle slate]

Back in EoT

The golden era

[hollow sigil]

WHY THE HELL DID TRAITOR GUARD STOP BEING A THING. It was so bloody easy to make.

Literally just an extra sprue of gribblies and some cadians.

[brittle slate]

They stopped wanting conversions

Hence the more complex monoposing

[hollow sigil]

Yeah thats a big part of it.

[brittle slate]

Which, oddly, lead to more competition

And finally 3d printing

[timid ferry]

imo, Guts wouldn’t work as a marine. His shtick is “I’m human. Not a monster like you freaks”

[atomic pelican]

It's rather easy to play them as regular guard and just 'say', they just don't have a codex anymore. Probably since it'd just be a clone of the guard codex

[hollow sigil]

3d printing was gonna happen anyway.

[hollow sigil]

May I introduce you to SLY MARBO

[atomic pelican]

Traitor guard do exist in CSM and such tho

[brittle slate]

There was talk about an aliens box for extra bitz you could add

Just a rumor but man. Would have been cool

Star Wars tabletop did something like it

[timid ferry]

Yeah, Sly is more up Guts alley

[hollow sigil]

Yeah but in the golden era of SOUP lists traitor guard with actual rules for like traitor leman russ, traitor chimera, traitor valk, whatever would have been great.

might have made chaos more viable too

[signal bramble]

The new ability to include daemons is the closest you can get to that now.

[brittle slate]

Blegh

Daemons break narrative crusading for me

That and custodes honestly

[atomic pelican]

Soup lists uh

were a balancing hell tbh

[brittle slate]

If daemons are showing up in those numbers the world is already fucked

[signal bramble]

Chaos Marines summoning daemons is perfectly within lore though.

And it can't exceed 25% of your total army PL.

So it's not a lot.

[atomic pelican]

Lore =x= the game. Also you can still run daemons with CSM yeah

[brittle slate]

That’s a good point

[atomic pelican]

Summoning was a

poopy mechanic

[hollow sigil]

Soup was MEANT to be a balancing hell. It was supposed to be a reason for players to pay for 5 70 dollar hardback codexes to be tournament competitive

[rose thorn]

oh we talking soup!

i love good osup

soup*

[signal bramble]

Granted the current daemon inclusion involves mostly flamers of tzeentch because they're broken af but we not talking about that right now.

[atomic pelican]

Ironically, daemons in CSM are still broken right now even despite the restrictions but that's flamers

[rose thorn]

not bad soup like 40k's LotFP

but good soup like AOS' LotFP

[brittle slate]

Guard should have been vanilla 40k in terms of what to do with them

[rose thorn]

well

[hollow sigil]

Ultimately the 40k tournament scene is always broken though

[rose thorn]

AOS doesnt have LotFP anymore

[atomic pelican]

Tournament scenes will always be cringe, but it has been worse and better

[brittle slate]

If they added the diversity of bitz space marines get you could have the foundation of 7 different factions easily

[atomic pelican]

9e is rather good

[brittle slate]

Just look at GSC

[atomic pelican]

What?

[brittle slate]

What

[rose thorn]

God fuck 9th edition daemons

[hollow sigil]

Also I really like the new guard heavy weapons even though they are probably going to cost 90 dollars and have points costs similar to the old heavy weapons.

[rose thorn]

id rather have falvor then have 1 model that makes the army playable

[hollow sigil]

very nice looking models

[brittle slate]

9th edition in general hasn’t been that fun.

[atomic pelican]

SM really shouldn't have the diversity they have, there's really no reason guard need 7 clones of the same unit

[hollow sigil]

Back in the day guard had a billion regiments and you could get white metal models of them and they were cool.

then armies went from like 30 models to 300

[atomic pelican]

And it only seems to be guard fans who whine about this. You don't see tyranid players asking for a slight variation of hormagaunts

For each hivefleet

[brittle slate]

But guard makes sense

To have diversity*

[atomic pelican]

So do Tau and Eldar and etc etc

[hollow sigil]

The actual models for the various regiments were COOL. thats all that really matters

[atomic pelican]

Guard got like the largest release of the edition, I believe even more than marines this year, yet you will still have Ur avg guard fan upset that Poopshit regiment 500 who showed up in a white dwarf short story dont have models lmao

[brittle slate]

I guess. But guard could be the basis for

Gue’vesa
Chapter serfs
Mechanicus
Genestealer cults (already do honestly)

And so on

[rose thorn]

ALSO shout out to luther for finally putting a nail in the coffin for if the fallen are loyalest

they arent

[hollow sigil]

Conversions bad. No conversions allowed

[rose thorn]

fallen were never loyal to chaos or the imperium, they just wanted to be independant

independent*

[atomic pelican]

You can literally do those conversions now and just run them as guard, or fire warriors for gue'vesa

People do those things

GSC have like, actual rules to run Brood brothers too

[rose thorn]

cypher is probably not even loyal

[brittle slate]

I would hope not

Especially after that abortion of a dry run on Terra

[rose thorn]

if i had to guess he just wants to get on teh imperium's good side for the fallen to return to be independent

[brittle slate]

Independence is heresy.

Although if you wanna read rare, juicy, fallen lore. Read about the interregnum.

Where they kind of had their own imperium

[rose thorn]

ooo?

OH is that when that priest guy ruled a system?

[brittle slate]

Yeah- it’s what I hope they do a series about next

[brittle slate]

Just before it

[rose thorn]

oh nice
!

[brittle slate]

You also have the Morai Schism

[rose thorn]

he was mentioned in luther!

YEAh all that is talked about in luther first of the fallen

[brittle slate]

Dark Angels were my first army. Maybe I should read Luther

Good read?

[rose thorn]

YEAH

ITS AMAZING

i fuckin love cabal noe

now*

[brittle slate]

Awesome. The last thing I read was Shadowsun and I almost set fire to it.

I need a palette cleanser

[rose thorn]

im so sad that modern DA are loosing all the beauty in the old DA

[brittle slate]

Yea…

[rose thorn]

its directly mentioned in Luther that he saw the death of his planet and the cahpter's culturally both now and in pre 30k

basically there was a love betweent he people terrorized by the planet full of city destroying monsters and the poeple who live in it

[deft sedge]

sure. still looks cool though

just in the armor

[rose thorn]

the peopel respected the world, and the world had a respect for them

[last lagoon]

Problem with DA book wise is that they focus too much on the fallen, its pretty boring to see them be a plot twist in a DA book imo

[rose thorn]

yeah i dont read 40k DA books

only HH and fallen books lmao

because the fallen are keck as fuck

[deft sedge]

cant believe there are like 85 HH books

[rose thorn]

luther literally laughed at the Supreme grand master that told hm about the imperial cult

and when he learned the order is now called the fallen

[last lagoon]

I do find it funny that Luther's biggest achievement is Lion but also his entire planet's and culture downfall

[hushed kayak]

they’re still making books about it, mainly on the siege of terra moments lately

[last lagoon]

Imagine seeing the boy you raise deforest the entire planet and industrialize it with some random robot dudes that pops up

[rose thorn]

YEah

[deft sedge]

yeah they will just milk that cow till it's dry

[rose thorn]

by the end you believe luther is completely in the right through everything he did

[last lagoon]

Theres two more Siege of Terra books I think

[hushed kayak]

they’re about to finish it up so yeah

[rose thorn]

||and that he doesnt even want the forgiveness of the lion anymore||

[deft sedge]

after Siege of Terra for sure comes the next series

Horus Heresy: the Scouring

135 books

[last lagoon]

Revamp of the War of the Beast

Please GW

[deft sedge]

in book 72 we find out what font Imperial documents are written in

[rose thorn]

god teh stories of his childhood, him being a squire were amazing

[deft sedge]

spoiler ||it's Gothic||

[rose thorn]

i felt legit worry and fear for luther when he was attacked by that lake dog monster in teh middle of the night

[deft sedge]

some things are not worth saving

[last lagoon]

PLEASE

[deft sedge]

they gotta have more Orks choke out the emperor though

[rose thorn]

and at the end, the joke of it all being his lession was leaving the safety of the walls, and not him actually hunting anything

[hushed kayak]

i always find it funny how Lion can’t seem to socialize properly which is weird to me

[rose thorn]

Oh that piece of shit

[deft sedge]

in the end we find out the Emperor just died of autoerotic asphyxiation

Horus found him in the closet

[rose thorn]

OH BECAUSE HE GREW UP AS ALITERAL WILD ANIMAL UNTIL HE WAS ABOUT 16

[deft sedge]

like David Carradine

[rose thorn]

lmaO

[last lagoon]

Zahariel climbing a tower on Caliban just to randomly meet Lion

Starts to shit himself

And Lion just seems not to notice

[hushed kayak]

even then, it’s weird still after centuries.

[rose thorn]

if i were a warhamemr youtuber i would say he has lion dna or osmething in him

[hushed kayak]

idk maybe that’s just me nitpicking. But i still enjoy Lions story

[hollow sigil]

didn't like 5 of the primarchs grow up in the wild.

[rose thorn]

probably actually

[hollow sigil]

cruze, russ, lion, probably others

[deft sedge]

vulkan

[last lagoon]

Peter griffin

Ferrus

[deft sedge]

peter turbo

[hollow sigil]

cruze grew up feral on a prison hive planet

[rose thorn]

and 4 more of them as slaves lmao

angron, fulgrim,

uhhh

[deft sedge]

mortarion

[rose thorn]

corvus

[deft sedge]

if “shitty peasant” counts as the wild

[hushed kayak]

weird how Fulgrim lived in a industrialized world and was perfectly normal, but has paranoia when living up to the emperor

[rose thorn]

maybe more in the slave catagory

[rose thorn]

sword magic

or magic

[hushed kayak]

even before that

[deft sedge]

mortarion was just some really buff pale asshole

[rose thorn]

did he know that crazy witch lady before or after the sword

[deft sedge]

all the villagers were impressed by his spacewheat quota

[hushed kayak]

he was still trying to be a perfectionist

[dusk patrol]

Mortarion didn't grow up in the wild

[deft sedge]

#40k-lore-chat message

[dusk patrol]

Well it wasn't that either

He was originally under his xenos dad

[deft sedge]

I can’t deal with this prick

I’m going to bed

goodnight reasonable people

[rose thorn]

Oh uhhh Jahjatai

jaghatai

[dusk patrol]

lol

[last lagoon]

Would he count?

He was raised in a tribe

[rose thorn]

idk if its the slave or wild catagory

[dusk patrol]

I guess I touched a nerve

[last lagoon]

Had his dad decapitated

[hushed kayak]

would sanguinius count as well?

[last lagoon]

He still had his tribe I think?

[hushed kayak]

he lived in a wasteland world

[dusk patrol]

Sanguinius I think had a tribe yeah

[hushed kayak]

well barren dessert

[last lagoon]

Oh I meant Khan

[dusk patrol]

Khan had his tribe I think too early on

[rose thorn]

okay which primarchs didn thave completely fucked up uprisings

[hushed kayak]

well yeah

gulliman

[dusk patrol]

Most of them found a group pretty fast

[rose thorn]

Purterabo

[hushed kayak]

gulliman, Dorn, petty

[dusk patrol]

I think only the Lion and sorta Perturabo really grew up alone

and Curze but idk if wild applies

[rose thorn]

perterabo*

[rose thorn]

fuck me i can tspell pert

and

[rose thorn]

concrete jungle

[hushed kayak]

Curze was killing people and slowly learned about his twisted justice

[dusk patrol]

His was also self imposed

[rose thorn]

shrug

fulgrim was half fucked up

[dusk patrol]

Russ was raised by wolves, I know Fulgrim, Dorn and Guilliman were found pretty fast

[hushed kayak]

IS

[last lagoon]

Horus had a bad early life

[dusk patrol]

Horus who the fuck knows what happened

Its not even clear if he was actually on Cthonia

[rose thorn]

was technically a noble, but only in the term where you would work 20 hour work per day instead of 26

[dusk patrol]

There's some hints he may not have been

[hushed kayak]

his planet was mainly mafia style wasn’t it?

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Gangs

Big city

Dying world

[last lagoon]

It was a "definitely not khorne" planet

[hushed kayak]

lmao

[rose thorn]

i feel like im forgetting a primarch who had a normal life

uhhhhhhhh

[dusk patrol]

Guilliman kinda

Dorn

"normal"

by Primarch standards

[hushed kayak]

and then you got alpharius which you have to take it with a grain of salt

[dusk patrol]

Vulkan sorta too

[rose thorn]

Lorgar

[last lagoon]

Guilliman did have his dad get poisoned

[rose thorn]

kinda

do you count church school kids as normal

[dusk patrol]

Yeah but normal by primarch standards

[hushed kayak]

either Alpharius grew up on terra, or he was wondering around the galaxy

[dusk patrol]

None of them had normal lives

[rose thorn]

ok lives a nroaml human could live

pre emperor

[dusk patrol]

I guess the Khan

Since he just kinda did Genghis Khan 2.0 but in space

And he conquered the world this time

[rose thorn]

yeah

fulgrim

[hushed kayak]

even fulgrim life was more human if you think about it

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

He won his world mostly politically iirc

[rose thorn]

primarchs with livable up bringing's for a human ; khan, horus, gull, pert, dorn, alpha, russ*, lorgar

[dusk patrol]

Dorn also kinda did

[hushed kayak]

dorn was like survival of the fittest in cold lost technology thing

[dusk patrol]

Although we don't get much on early Dorn

[rose thorn]

If er are counting kahn then yeah, dorn

[dusk patrol]

Magnus definitely didn't

[rose thorn]

oh alpharious

[dusk patrol]

I guess you could say Angron sorta did

[last lagoon]

If we count Horus and Khan should we not count Mortarion and Corax?

[rose thorn]

did omegon live a normal life??

[dusk patrol]

Shitty life

We don't know

We have no idea of what his early life was like

[hushed kayak]

we don’t know honestly

either he’s telling the truth or lying

[dusk patrol]

Alpharius we have a good idea

[rose thorn]

he only survived because he was stronger then 5 men at 12 lmao

[dusk patrol]

Russ basically just lived a Viking life

[rose thorn]

mortarion was found in a pit of poison air

[hushed kayak]

still i can’t believe alpharius took on valdor

[dusk patrol]

The raised by wolves thing was kinda nuts but besides that

[rose thorn]

and corax was found in a person where babies were killed on sight and hidden for his whole life

[dusk patrol]

Curze lived a normal life by Gotham standards

[hushed kayak]

100x worst of that

[last lagoon]

Detroit standards

[rose thorn]

i dont know is that livable??

the wolf part

[dusk patrol]

Well not anymore sadge

[last lagoon]

Russ had a tribe too

Well

[hushed kayak]

i mean viking in our time did survive soooo

[last lagoon]

Village

Thing

That got destroyed

[rose thorn]

i meant the wolf part

[hushed kayak]

well yeah

[rose thorn]

being raised by wolves lmao

[dusk patrol]

Well I mean

People have been raised by wolves

[tired umbra]

Russ is also a 3 meter tall roid monster.

Which helps

[hushed kayak]

they aged pretty fast within few days during their infancy

[rose thorn]

ill put an * next to russ

[hushed kayak]

and then you got Omegon

[dusk patrol]

Alpharius technically had a normal life I guess

He was just raised in the palace basically

[last lagoon]

Peter robo scaled a mountain as a baby so thats normal human behaviour

[dusk patrol]

Hell I did that as a kid

[rose thorn]

i have no clue about ferrus

liek antyhing

i only know the fulgrim parts lmao

[atomic pelican]

His handd

Theyre iron

Iron hands

[rose thorn]

more subtle then teh space wolves

[last lagoon]

Ferrus was a nomad, in one of his short stories he had to drink some tank people's juices and ate sand to survive

[dusk patrol]

Ferrus was like a legend on his world

He intentionally didn't unite the tribes

[hushed kayak]

he’s the least knowledgeable primarch that existed with his brothers

[rose thorn]

what

[dusk patrol]

He just went around and killed monsters and shit

[rose thorn]

im sorry waht

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[last lagoon]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

WHAT?!?!

[dusk patrol]

He was like a wandering legend

[last lagoon]

I can post the excerpt if you want

[hushed kayak]

yeah

[rose thorn]

AJAHAHAAJAHAHA

[last lagoon]

If I can find the book

[dusk patrol]

He never settled down

[rose thorn]

I CANT FUCKING STOP LAUGHJING HE ATE SAND

[hushed kayak]

lmao i can never take that story seriously to this day

[last lagoon]

He even ate some cyborg zombie things fingers

[tired umbra]

Ferrus gets brownie points for self awareness since he actually was planning on making his sons stop going so hog wild with the mechanical upgrades.

[rose thorn]

omfg

i cant

[last lagoon]

Lemme grab the excerpt

[dusk patrol]

He got his hands from a Necron construct most likely, when he fucking punched it to death

Fortunately it worked out

[hushed kayak]

they’re the most hated loyalist in the 40k time

[rose thorn]

so a no on ferrus?

[dusk patrol]

Nah

[tired umbra]

Marines Malevolent and Minotaurs would like a word

[dusk patrol]

He was busy playing Fallout 30,000

[rose thorn]

lmao

doing a fucking fists only run

[hushed kayak]

Minotaurs i can somewhat tolerate them, but yeah Malevolent is a different story

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn't say most hated, but Iron Hands definitely don't have a good rep mostly

Although its been changed in recent years

Kinda depends which clan you get

[last lagoon]

"He subsisted on a diet of sand, supplemented by whatever minerals and metals he could scavenge. His physiology was able to metabolise whatever inorganic material he could ingest, but even scraping the organic tissues from the cyborgnetic ghouls and skin-wearing demimachinic reavers he could run down and kill did little to soften the pangs. The last time he had been truly sated was when he had slain the last fragment lord of the Subliminat. He had broken into their amnioesis vats, feasted on amino acid slurries and lipid pastes until he had been too full to move"

@rose thorn

[rose thorn]

no one has any issues with me putting lorgar on here

[tired umbra]

Iron Hands are a buncha chodes who deserve to have coco pops spat at them. But they ain't the most hated.

[dusk patrol]

Kardan Stronos has done some work to adjust how much they were puppets of mars and also make them less dickish.

[rose thorn]

kjfg HAGGGAHHAAH

[dusk patrol]

Those amino acid slurries

They hit different

[rose thorn]

OMfg i cant this is the dumber then when i heard about mars trying to TP away

[dusk patrol]

I mean he's a primarch

They do shit like this all the time

[hushed kayak]

i’m not sure about Lorgar, it was basically christianity but 50x crazy. Plus he was abused so, eh i think

[dusk patrol]

This isn't even the tenth silliest OP thing a primarch has done.

[rose thorn]

yeah but he was basically raised like a 19th century catholic lmao

[hushed kayak]

LMAO reminds me the time when a night lord entered Curze room and slightly moved his corpse hanging on the ceiling. He lost his shit when he noticed that

[tired umbra]

Kurze is the most mentally stable of primarchs

Change my mind

[dusk patrol]

Its Curze you uncultured swine!

The K is in the Konrad!

[hushed kayak]

you Ed Boon lunatic

[last lagoon]

Counter point, gets beat up by two marines in separate instances

[dusk patrol]

Everyone knows that!

[rose thorn]

was sanguinius livable?

his child hood?

[dusk patrol]

But yeah both Curze and Corax have some silly silly stealth feats

[rose thorn]

i havnet read his new book

[dusk patrol]

Well

[rose thorn]

nor do i want to

[last lagoon]

I dont think Baal people would be counted as normal

So no for me

[dusk patrol]

He grew up on a radioactive wasteland as an angel with a emancipated population.

[rose thorn]

ah

fair

same reason mortarion isnt on the list

[dusk patrol]

Basically Mad Max but not fun Mad Max

No cool cars or weird gimp outfits

[last lagoon]

Just cancer

[rose thorn]

oh yeah how is the mortarion books?

[dusk patrol]

With a side of more cancer

[rose thorn]

i love medieval style shit

[last lagoon]

They are good imo

[tired umbra]

Mortarion lived on a planet that smelled of ass 100% of the time

[last lagoon]

His primarch book is great

[rose thorn]

and typhus is one of my favorite characters in luther

besides luther

[last lagoon]

Its very interesting to see his view point before turning into "The strong should survive only"

[hushed kayak]

crazy how normal he was until nurgle started playing around his head

[rose thorn]

OH

VULKAN

how was his upbringing

[tired umbra]

Vulcan beat the shit out of a lava dragon

[rose thorn]

ah

[last lagoon]

I stay away from 30k Salamander books

[rose thorn]

so no on the livable list?

[hushed kayak]

do you wanna die? the c is a K DAMN IT

[dusk patrol]

No because no one could live through a life written by Nick Kyme

[tired umbra]

Whatever you say Albharius

[rose thorn]

IO SHaf hahah

[dusk patrol]

But also his life was unusual

Lava deathworld with dragons, fought Drukhari raiders

[rose thorn]

well if you wanted to take the place of a primarch with out the powers of a primarch, pick one of these

[dusk patrol]

Who came in through a portal

[last lagoon]

I guess growing up with schematics of how to make doomsday weapons in his head was also quite awkward

[hushed kayak]

perturabo was the strangest primarchs. he was hella humble, but very quiet guy. i need to read his primarch book

[last lagoon]

I dont think humble is a word I would describe him

[dusk patrol]

Yeah uh

[tired umbra]

Peter Turbo is like the least humble primarch in existence.

After Magnus

[hushed kayak]

weird, the way how he talked to his brother sure made it that way

except towards angron

[last lagoon]

Well he did practice decimation on his legion

[hushed kayak]

okay that’s different story lmao

[last lagoon]

And Iirc killed a sculptor or the statue the scultpor made after getting beat in a competition

[tired umbra]

Peter Turbo would easily be the greatest primarch by a country mile if he stopped malding the fuck out about everything. Dude has a MASSIVE inferiority complex and can't handle not being the fucking best at EVERYTHING.

Dude is a legit genius who carried the Siege of Terra but he can't stop being buttmad about not being treated like a god every second.

[hushed kayak]

yeah okay i have to read book man

also any idea why he can see the eye of terror so god damn properly?

despite light years away

[tired umbra]

Every primarch is psychic in some form. This isn't canon but I always interpreted Peter being able to see the flaw in everything naturally. And the Eye of Terror is the largest flaw in the galaxy.

[rose thorn]

hes like peggy hill if she was a demi good

hey is there a lore reason why the iron guard had caution tape on them?

[tired umbra]

It looks dope

[hushed kayak]

no idea

[rose thorn]

'guys we gotta warn the enemy we are dangerous

[hushed kayak]

lmao it does look sick on them

[rose thorn]

very

[hushed kayak]

but when it comes to drip, i think blood angels, night lords, and alpha legion have the sickest armour

[tired umbra]

Ultramarines look sick as fuck with their whole roman thing

[hushed kayak]

emperors children pre-heresy for sho

[rose thorn]

oH yeah they are super cool

[hushed kayak]

even the fists are similar in that

[rose thorn]

1 part japan, 1 part roman, 1 part uhhhhhhh

greek

its a really nice mishmash

[rose thorn]

id argue fists are just space marine themed

[hushed kayak]

looks at ultramarines

[rose thorn]

they are the most space marine to ever space marine

ultramarines are more roman then fists

[hushed kayak]

i can see where you’re coming from lol

[atomic pelican]

Fists are themed yellow

Thats it

[rose thorn]

they literally are based around using as much as the most space marine weapon ever as possible

[tired umbra]

Fists are themed "I ain't got time for your frilly shit. I am here to hold a point and Emperor forsake anyone trying to take it from me."

[rose thorn]

i envy fists players, as using the base kit with no bashing is the most lore accurate way to make them

adn then prime with not GW brand yellow

[hushed kayak]

funny enough luna wolves are lol that, except white and heavy armour

[rose thorn]

fair, but when they turned sons

they got super cool

and then when they turned BL

they are eh, fine

[atomic pelican]

Sigma no primarch required grind

[rose thorn]

they turned to the most chaos space mariens to have ever chaos space marined

[hushed kayak]

are we ignoring the wordbearers?

[rose thorn]

They have thier own flavor

[hushed kayak]

extreme flavour

[atomic pelican]

The undivided legions are pique

[rose thorn]

they are more religious themed then the BL

[atomic pelican]

Black Legion/Wordbearer/IW/AL superiority

[rose thorn]

lmao

i think i might make a WB army while i make my fallen themed army

my fallen themed army is gonna be space marine hqs and elites and cultist everything else lmao

[hushed kayak]

i just finished my 40k night lords army, now off to my night lords 30k

[atomic pelican]

RIP

[rose thorn]

i fucking love 30ks models but i dont think id like the game

[bright fulcrum]

Since there's a soroitas class in inquisitor martyr now can sisters of battle become inquisitors?

[tired umbra]

Yes

[rose thorn]

ever since uHHH, that lady, became a High lord (TM) sisters and rest of the imperium politics have been pretty good1

[hushed kayak]

i enjoy it more than 9th edition

[rose thorn]

fair

9th ruined demons for me in 40k lmao

[hushed kayak]

it ruined chaos marines for me

[rose thorn]

i have so many daemons im making AOS armines with them instead

[hushed kayak]

i started playing on 8th edition

[rose thorn]

me too!

[bright fulcrum]

Oh sweet

[rose thorn]

but sisters have always had ties with the inquisition

[atomic pelican]

HH rules make me mega sleeper

[hushed kayak]

i feel old lmao

[rose thorn]

but more as a tool then apart

[atomic pelican]

That and only marines

I once saw a heresy game where after 2 hrs, no casualties had been inflicted

[rose thorn]

lore accurate

[hushed kayak]

i was told HH play similar to 7th but i haven’t got an idea on that

[rose thorn]

we all know in HH only named characters get to die

[bright fulcrum]

True since they mostly worked with the ordo hereticus

[rose thorn]

at least every HH book i cant think of when a non named character died

i need to finish the first heretic and the pheonix tho

[hushed kayak]

I WANT JUSTICE FOR SEVATAR, HARROW MASTER DYNAT, AND THE BLOOD ANGEL CAPTAIN I CANT REMEMBER

it’s crazy how every 1st captain is either missing or dead

[rose thorn]

lmaO

didnt EC's get his head cut off, but he recovered

[hushed kayak]

yeah he did

[rose thorn]

hes still alive i think!

[hushed kayak]

still wish he’d died, that pretentious bastard

[rose thorn]

unless they kill him in terra

[rose thorn]

yeah but thats why hes great

[hushed kayak]

he’s still alive just no word on him f

[rose thorn]

please i hope he comes back

does he have any beef with lucius and fulgrim?

my dream for the EC story line is that they infight because of bullshit

as literally every 40k EC story is jsut that

[hushed kayak]

weirdly enough he’s chill with lucius and fulgrim.

[rose thorn]

perfection is a fucking murder mystery during a battle

[rose thorn]

hUH

[hushed kayak]

he wants fulgrim to return even more last i heard on bile book

[rose thorn]

i am excited and worried abour fulgrim dropping

they could do him amazingf

or completely fucking ruin him

[hushed kayak]

depends on the author

[rose thorn]

LMAo

I Heard hes a hard character to write

trying to make him obsessed with perfection with out making him 2d

i love love love EC but im waiting for 10th

[hushed kayak]

there was one slaneesh space marine audio book that was taught by fulgrim

i think you’re the one who told me

[rose thorn]

maybe, i havent listed to their new (tm) audio book

but i feel like its going to either be gross and terrible or amazing

[hushed kayak]

did you listen to Perfection?

[rose thorn]

yeah

i fucking love perfection

[hushed kayak]

…

i think you’re the one who hyped it to me months ago ngl lmao

[rose thorn]

OH

YEAH

that was me

i do it multiple times

[hushed kayak]

well shit lmao

poor assassin

[rose thorn]

i just love how it shows what the world is like from a EC's POV

to battle isnt to battle, but to paint

and how poorly they think of one another

[hushed kayak]

weird hearing a white scars traitor warband. But i’ve never heard a EC felt fear when he was being dissected

lmao

[rose thorn]

OH YEAHhh

THose GUys

i know that doomrider is gonna comeback

[hushed kayak]

is he?

[rose thorn]

you dont understand how much hype is around him

[hushed kayak]

i’ll have to check up on that lol

[rose thorn]

he also is a free character every EC fan is gonan buy moment of

not free

but like

GW doesnt need to write lore

[hushed kayak]

wait

you mean the guy on the bike??

[rose thorn]

YEAH

[hushed kayak]

i forgot this guy existed lmao

[rose thorn]

HES AMAZING

he has a fucking song

in lore

[hushed kayak]

wtf

that’s crazy

[rose thorn]

"Oh great Lord Slaanesh, send forth your servant, the Daemon Prince Doomrider!"
"Let our enemies tremble in raptured awe before his fearsome visage!"
"Grant them an exquisite death, crushed beneath the flaming wheels of his chromium steed!"
"Permit them the ecstasy of being slaughtered by Doomrider's throbbing Daemonsword and his pulsating gun of gushing plasma!"
"Bestow on them one fleeting moment of pleasure as they stare in wonder and orgasmic delight at one of your most divine creations before dying at his hand!"
"Oh great Lord Slaanesh, for these reasons and many others that tease and titillate our imaginations, we beseech you, send forth your servant, the Daemon Prince Doomrider!""

its also how you summon him

[last lagoon]

When was the last time Doomrider was mentioned?

[rose thorn]

uhhhhhhhh

when was master of the hunt?

[hushed kayak]

huh.. been a while actually

[last lagoon]

The audio drama?

[rose thorn]

yeah

[last lagoon]

2014 I think

[rose thorn]

that

[hushed kayak]

jesus they really need to update the traitor legions story

i’m happy that Alpha legions is actually getting more love, but night lords and EC need them too

[rose thorn]

EC really fucking need it

we dont have a post HH book

[hushed kayak]

they do,

i was about to say

[rose thorn]

WE DO?!

[last lagoon]

Well

Fabius

[rose thorn]

that doesnt count

[last lagoon]

Doesnt Lucius have a book?

[hushed kayak]

it’s short

[dusk patrol]

He does

Faultless Blade

[rose thorn]

oh yeah

its fine,

[hushed kayak]

night lords and EC really needs an updated story

[rose thorn]

really EC needs a reason to actually do shit besides just beeing drukhari

we need something to seperate us from there

[hushed kayak]

they need a trilogy fr

bile sure, but that’s his own character/squad thing

[rose thorn]

and now its creations of bile

oh i could jsutmake a creations of bile army

its basically the same lmao

but i dont have to risk like 75% of my models being stuck in 9th

poor poor WE fans that didnt just spam beserkers

[hushed kayak]

dear god i feel bad to people who has space marines from older editions. they can’t even use them

imagine that lol, at least in the new edition they’re gonna have their own codex

[rose thorn]

imagine being the guy who bought an imperial fists chapter master every edition

[hushed kayak]

oh noooo

they’re pretty bad in the current right now lol

[rose thorn]

oh yeah can we have a RIp for all the CSM players who had a custom warband

[hushed kayak]

couldn’t be me HAH

still angry night lords are dogshit

[rose thorn]

thank goodness i didnt start my fallen army in 8th

[rose thorn]

at leasts its lore accurate

[rose thorn]

i would have been so pissed if i saw what fallen are right now

[atomic pelican]

army ability based on leadership
Literally always dogwater

LD might be the most meaningless stat in 9th

[hushed kayak]

well at least they have some crazy melee to make up for it, but that doesn’t help much

[rose thorn]

doesnt every army with bad leader ship have a way to prevent losing ppl to it lmao

[atomic pelican]

Yeah but all CSM have crazy melee

[hushed kayak]

this is true, but alpha legion is a bit away from tbh

[atomic pelican]

Most armies cant be dropped to the threshold for their legion trait to proc

[rose thorn]

i really wanan try a melee based 1k sons army

[hushed kayak]

oh god no

[rose thorn]

it could be dog shit, or really really funny

[hushed kayak]

i could never bring myself to do that despite knowing what they are lol

[rose thorn]

imagine expecting a pyker phase based army and then watch as the horde of tzaangors and melee buff spells charge you

[atomic pelican]

Then they attack and do 1w into marines because theyre tzaangors

[rose thorn]

huh thats basically tzeentch in AOS lmao

[hushed kayak]

total war warhammer 3 moment

[rose thorn]

,,,

ueaj

yeah*

[atomic pelican]

Tzaangors are comically bad

In 40k

[rose thorn]

but they are so fucking cute

[atomic pelican]

I think chaos cultists actually do better in melee

They are

[vocal drum]

wtf

if i show forgiveness to aliens

i die?

[atomic pelican]

Forgiveness to anyone

[vocal drum]

EVEN humans?

[atomic pelican]

Most efficient imperium legislature

[rose thorn]

<33333

hey so, why are tzaangors a thing in 40k anyway?

in aos they are beastmen that joined tzeentch

[atomic pelican]

Theyre just beastmen in 40k who happen to be tzeentch aligned

So basically the same

[rose thorn]

oh

[hushed kayak]

speaking of aos, can’t believe this isn’t in 40k yet

[rose thorn]

its about to be

[atomic pelican]

Now they haunt the GW store and sit in Tson boxes with nothing but 60 tzaangors, never to be bought

[hushed kayak]

in the new codex?

[rose thorn]

yeah

[atomic pelican]

Because shockingly ppl want to play Tsons, not tgoats

[hushed kayak]

damn finally

[rose thorn]

but dont get excited they look so much better in aos

[crisp heath]

beastmen in 40k are considered abhumans, some even operate inside the imperium as guardsmen or bounty hunters

[rose thorn]

named character

regular

[hushed kayak]

maaaan

can’t i just y’know mish mash it.
knowing the official tournaments probably not

[ruby sparrow]

so if someone bumps into me on the street, i'm legally obliged to punch them in the face

[rose thorn]

oH YEAH HOWS THE tzaangor army of renown

[ruby sparrow]

or outright fucking murder them at that rate

[rose thorn]

they are so fucking cute

[hushed kayak]

jesus

[rose thorn]

it would be a great way for me to try out uh,, contrast paints

[ruby sparrow]

so if someone fucked me over i am legally obliged to seek revenge?

I'm guessing 40ks legal system is a paradoxical clusterfuck

[rose thorn]

on table top? buy 40 flamers boxes

flamers of tzeentch*

[ruby sparrow]

no as in

based on the comment

[rose thorn]

oG

oh*

[hushed kayak]

seeing how 40k is yeah

[ruby sparrow]

is this literal in the imperium

[rose thorn]

i think you can do what ever as long as you dont attack the wrong ppl

your boss will probably let you murder your co wokrer

[ruby sparrow]

in that case I am legally obliged to shank a motherfucker if they slight me

because i know that shit will escelate until one of us is dead

[hushed kayak]

yeah try not to over do it, when it comes towards the ecclesiarchy

[rose thorn]

oh the tzaangor army of renown is

bad

[ruby sparrow]

also isnt there a regiment based on pre revolution france which is Infamous for not giving a fuck about avoiding friendly fire

[rose thorn]

all of the guard lmao

[shell lodge]

Okay hear me out I know this is . What if Saint Celestine has been a greater daemon this whole time? Which would explain why she comes back with the a power boost , gold armor and the sword of Saint Katherine.

[hushed kayak]

well the warp is a strong manifestation on ideas. so i wouldn’t be surprised

plus you already got the legion of the damned

[signal bramble]

Actually her book goes in to detail about it.

For each manifestation she has to find her armor and sword again and then pass a test of all four Chaos gods.

To resist their temptations through faith and power of will.

[signal bramble]

They’re specifically referring to forgiving heretics and such.

There’s no forgiveness or mercy for them.

[hushed kayak]

close enough to what i said. somewhat

[signal bramble]

The idea is that you should hate and despise all heretics and traitors and criminals. Doesn’t matter who they are or why. If they did bad then they deserve to be punished for it.

[brave drum]

did anyone try rogue trader yet ?

[quiet vessel]

?

Oh, it's in alpha

[brave drum]

Supposedly its like battlefleet gothic + daemonhunters but done properly

[rose thorn]

What battles have custodies Cannonically loss

[brittle slate]

Command Starstrike was among the Tau Empire's forces that successfully conquered the Imperial world Jovandira. It contained a number of relics and, in order to better understand the Imperium, the Tau Empire began evacuating them for study. Upon learning of this, the Imperium dispatched the Strike Force Retribution Torchbearer Fleet to stop the Tau and reclaim the relics. After arriving, the Strike Force struck a city that Starstrike, Commander Novastorm and Shas'la Longstrike were overseeing the excavation of six Imperial relics. Starstrike would command the bulk of the Tau's forces in the ensuing battle, which devastated both sides. As they clashed, Starstrike killed an Adeptus Custodes Shield-Captain, but was later slain by on of the Custodes' Vertus Praetors

[shell lodge]

I love the legion of the damned

[rose thorn]

Oh gw doing the ‘well no they actually won >:(‘

‘Custodies never lose >:(‘

[brittle slate]

Otherwise, yeah, the only major defeats were the Webway and the Harlequin assault during the war of the beast?

Cypher escaped from a terran cell?

[rose thorn]

That isn’t really a loss tho it’s more of a ‘whoops’

[brittle slate]

Yeah, they don't really "lose"

[rose thorn]

Idk if cypher still has it, but in 8th he had a rule where when he dies 2-6 on a d6 he doesn’t count as dead but is removed from play saying he disappeared lmao

Which is the funniest shit ever

Literkaly the mysterious stranger from fallout

Whoops

[arctic talon]

They lost to Fabius bile and the Death guard ganking them

[atomic pelican]

They lost to GSC in Shadow Throne spiritually

[atomic pelican]

Its easy not to lose when ur most active role is sitting on ur ass on terra 95% of the time

And being mining lasered on terra the other 5%

[arctic talon]

Big drill

Kekw

Doesn’t matter if you have fancy armor

An industrial rock grinder will turn you to paste all the same

[atomic pelican]

Inshallah the Princes' holy war shall end the golden menace

[feral agate]

They consider the siege of Terra their greatest loss

[arctic talon]

Yeah

That’s prolly up there

lore wise the Lions Gate is seen as a disgrace as well

That so many of them died

[barren ether]

Legitimately their greatest loss as they feel they failed the emperor

I mean the dude died and the custodes love the man more than anyone else in the imperium

[arctic talon]

Well

[barren ether]

And one could argue they DID fail the emperor

[arctic talon]

Got put on indefinite life support

[arctic talon]

I wouldn’t even say argue they failed

They straight up failed to protect him

[feral agate]

Yeah, one book mentioned that custodes wear black tabards as a sign of mourning for the Emperor, because they still didn’t get over it for 10 000 years

[atomic pelican]

Owned by a bald guy smh

[feral agate]

Except they’re never depicted with black tabards lol

[barren ether]

Fuckin losers

They should know their space daddy would want them to go out and spread the emperor’s light

Both figuratively and literally

[brittle slate]

"I am miserly with your lives"~Emps. i actually think he didn't want them to be involved with "the war"

[barren ether]

Or he was lamenting the fact he had to lose so many of his favorite toys

[brittle slate]

the full quote:

"Each one of the Ten Thousand represents genetic lore acquired over many lifetimes. Each one of you is unique, a work of art never to be repeated. I am miserly with your lives, where I would spend so many others without a thought."

[barren ether]

Exactly

He’s lamenting the fact he has to see them die

Especially for his own ambition

[brittle slate]

right- i don't think he would have wanted them out there the way that guilliman has them now

[barren ether]

However that’s how the Custodes also functioned during the Great Crusade

[feral agate]

Well yeah, he didn’t. Now I can’t remember the title of the book, but it said that custodes were never meant to fight

[barren ether]

I’d imagine it’s more a return to old duties, then some issue in my opinion

[feral agate]

They weren’t even designed for combat

[barren ether]

Yes they were intended to be the best of humanity

Artisans, philosophers, and just all around intellectuals

[feral agate]

Yeah

[barren ether]

And they still are

I’d imagine that if a custodes is given a name for every feat he’s accomplished, there’d be quite a few artistic names in his title

The custodes need to protect the throne, however I’ll argue that some, not all, of the Ten Thousand is better used spread across the galaxy, where they can put their ungodly intellect and abilities to best use

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[celest dome]

Don't the Custodes often lead warbands of Lucifer Black or other Solar Imperial Guards ?

[spark relic]

During the Siege maybe but not anymore

Now they either guard the palace or go on very secret missions across the galaxy

[celest dome]

Didn't they deliver the various Primaris to their chapters ?

[spark relic]

Yeah, that or the tech to make primaris

But in the last 10000 years that's the first time they've gone out full force

[celest dome]

And overall became more active since Roboute came back

[median viper]

Warp Gods are now music creators. What genres do they each specialize in?

Khorne strikes me as the kind who'd appreciate the Blue Man Group and others who use ad hoc instruments. He cares not from whence the beat drops, only that it does.

[celest dome]

Do you know Stringstorm ?

They did it

[echo vault]

Game theory: Who is the psykers beloved?

[celest dome]

The Emperor

[echo vault]

Thats what I was thinking but what could the dumbest answer be

[celest dome]

The dumbest would be Malal

Or Gork and Mork

[barren tapir]

The players

Psykers have been breaking the 4th wall in some quotes, like then they can see the subtitles and correct them

[median viper]

Fuck, that actually tracks and I hate it.

[teal jay]

caught a Guilliman shout out in game

[broken echo]

Which guard regiment is most well known for their use of artillery?

[barren tapir]

Death Korps of Krieg, since they are for the majority siege regiments

That is, among the most known regiments, there might be less know and fully artillery ones

[celest dome]

Armageddon has a lot of mechanized element too

[spark relic]

There is an artillery regiment featured multiple times throughout the GG books but I can't recall the name of it

[echo vault]

My psyker mentioned wanting to see a felinid

And also mentioned the thousand sons being all psykers, which while not true it's been 10k years. Hopefully he knows what happened to them

Probably not

[broken echo]

Which personality did your psyker have?

[celest dome]

I mean, all Fleshy TS are Psyker/Sorcerer now

[echo vault]

The seer

[spark relic]

All TS are indeed psykers now because of The Rubric of Ahriman

[echo vault]

Well yeah the non psykers became dust

[scenic sun]

they were ALL pyskers

dusty too

i belive

[deft sedge]

no there were just regular dudes too

fewer proportionally but they existed

[celest dome]

None of the Legion was fully Psyker, but the TS had the highest amount of Librarians but they weren't all

[dreamy jackal]

||cadia||

[echo vault]

Obsessed with pyrithite, would this be custodes exclusive like adrasite or can I give an equivalent model to a legion praetor in 30k (in combi weapon/twin linked)

[shadow plover]

pretty sure they're exclusive to them lore- and ruleswise, but think you could proxy it as something else

[vivid turtle]

are stuff like exitus rifles reserved only for assassins

or could they potentially be added to the game

[echo vault]

Pyrithite has legit 0 lore it's just meant to be melta but custodes

[barren tapir]

Only assassins

[echo vault]

Adrasite is the Fancy custodes type which are actual gauss guns

And for them only due to being very op

[shadow plover]

pretty sure the old rule books have some lore tidbits about them

one of the black books

[echo vault]

I think at most they're in the rules in the book 7 inferno

[vivid turtle]

oh hey fancy seeing you here man

[echo vault]

They're just said to be a melta beam in a custodes spear

[shadow plover]

yeah and custodes spears are gene locked to the owner with like one instance of one being unlocked for use by someone else than the original custodian. But I'm sure no-one would mind if you'd give a preator one, as long as you don't say it has the same rules as one

[echo vault]

I'm saying more the weapon type, adrasite is twin linked, in combi weapons or on vehicles. Adrasite is 100% only custodes while I'm guessing pyrithite I think I'm the only person who cares

Just like giving a praetor a twin linked one like the melta equivalent of a plasma blaster, I keep obsessing over giving it to an EC praetor like their first captain, who is called Julius kaesoron, he could probably have it due to being legit called the favoured son of fulgrim

[deft sedge]

they're exclusive to them both in 40k and 30k

unfortunately

[shadow plover]

Would you run it with the same stats as one or give the weapon some stats that are allowed for a preator

[deft sedge]

nothing stopping you from modelling one though and running it as something else. it would look great on a praetor IMO

call it a paragon blade honestly, that could work

[echo vault]

My logic was if deathwatch can have custodes spears for their watch captains, the era of the most esoteric weapons in the heresy can definitely have something sorta custodes related a marine can use

I remember IF can use solarite power gauntlets which are custodes

Only in 30k ofc

It's a named character thing like for praetor, it's complicated

[weak fossil]

More likely in 40k than 30k lorewise, but sure, so long as your opponent doesn't mind, field whatever you want?

[echo vault]

Does 30k have combi gravs?

Or I guess combi graviton

There's not much of a difference between the two besides name

[hexed shard]

What's the ship class of the mourningstar and how many people crew that class?

[weak fossil]

Well that would be interesting to know!

[deft sedge]

honestly it's gonna be a logic stretch to give anyone but a custodian this weapon

you certainly can't run it as the guardian spear in terms of rules

[echo vault]

I'd say truthfully the only custodes weapon they'd give is a kinetic destroyer since it's just a souped up archeotech pistol

[deft sedge]

but you could use the model and run it as a legal choice for EC praetor

like paragon blade or something

[weak fossil]

Probably between 25,000 and 3,000,000 people, I suppose?

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Imperial_Navy

[deft sedge]

yes

[echo vault]

They're gone now but in book 8 (I sound like a nerd) of the original heresy black books they had divining blades

Super duper rare two handed weapons that could permanently kill demons

[deft sedge]

it's a heavily modded Firestorm frigate

[echo vault]

They're gone now since holy shit that's overpowered

[deft sedge]

as per Fatshark

[echo vault]

Fattus sharkus class

[weak fossil]

That's the nature of the setting. The golden age of technology is long past. Now they're just instructing their STC fragments to scale up or down what's left after the heresy scrap codes.

[hexed shard]

ty

[echo vault]

I'm saying in terms of rules

[deft sedge]

crew of a firestorm is about 25K

give or take

[echo vault]

They were under psykarna and were better paragon blades

[deft sedge]

it's the second smallest ship class in the Navy

being itself a very modified Sword-class