40k-lore-chat

[earnest snow]

Lmao

[deft sedge]

more Inspector Clousseau

[past hedge]

WELL IM SORRY

[mossy mortar]

Yes he was old friends with obiwan shelock clousseau

[full bane]

The segmented armour they use is reminiscent of the lamellar plating and segmented styles of both ancient Japan and China.
There's likely a good amount of design cues being taken.

[mossy mortar]

Way more japan than china

[deft sedge]

fuck I cannot STAND how many people take the lore serious like it wasn't written in think tanks made up of 80's cokeheads wondering how they could slag off Thatcher without being arrested by the fuckin' British wankers

[signal bramble]

It says so in the Cain book I’m reading which has Tau in it so I was reminded to bring it up.

[earnest snow]

Where did the kroot come from in terms of inspiration

[mossy mortar]

Because Japan had almost no metal

[mossy mortar]

Birds

Evil birds

[earnest snow]

Impossible

Birds aren't real

[full bane]

They're bird things with some Apache stylings.

At least the old Shaper mini was.

[mossy mortar]

They dress like the predator

[signal bramble]

And in the kasrkin novel their avian behavior is more pronounced.

They communicate by whistling at each other.

[crisp heath]

i feel like the tone has changed a but since rogue trader...

[earnest snow]

Anyways, I didn't know cain's sword instructor had a nice series of references

[signal bramble]

Yep it’s a thing.

[mossy mortar]

Lazy series you mean

[deft sedge]

yeah it went from fun to dumb

[mossy mortar]

Usually they hide them a little more than that

[deft sedge]

resulting in entire oceans of messages arguing about phrasing in some fuckin' book that they paid a starving author 5 bucks to write

[barren tapir]

Angry birds

[earnest snow]

At least they didn't give him a bartender named jack daniels. Right?

[signal bramble]

The instructor also waxed poetic about some weird move that’s like falling leaves or whatever.

I do audiobooks so I don’t have the excerpt but yeah.

[deft sedge]

Jackus Danielicus

[signal bramble]

The deathstalker series is pretty bad with the names.

Like the intergalactic rebel “Jack Random.”

[earnest snow]

Jack wut

[signal bramble]

Yes really. Jack Random.

[earnest snow]

I hate 40k books sometimes

[signal bramble]

Deathstalker isn’t 40k. It’s another old sci-fi series that’s just as weird.

[deft sedge]

at least they're better than DnD books

or, ick, Star Wars books

[earnest snow]

Oh then I take it back

[deft sedge]

no bro leave it out

fuck 40k books

fuck 40k generally

if I worked for James I'd be packing as much awful tasteless crap in there as possible out of spite

I would've literally named Votann "Squat Space Dorfs"

[mossy mortar]

That's not a bad nsme honestly

[mossy mortar]

You mean scrunts

[deft sedge]

rename Space Marines to "Largemen Supreme"

[past hedge]

Scrunts lmao

[deft sedge]

contact McDonald's corporation to include a space marine in each Happy Meal

etc

really jack up that stock price

[karmic raft]

The land raider named after Jacob Land

[deft sedge]

100%

[celest dome]

Squat renamed to Squan't

[deft sedge]

honestly go even further

license it to Walmart

name them "Walmart Brand Squants"

only allow them at tournaments if they are painted Walmart colours

[signal bramble]

It is a land raider and they do use it to raid land.

[deft sedge]

like here we are with people who take the lore serious (I hope to G-d none of you do)

when this exists, Warhammer Brand Hot Sauce

embarrassing

[past hedge]

WHAT THE FUCK

WHO MADE THIS

THIS IS BEYOND SILLY AND GOOFY

[deft sedge]

lmao it's literally on the ad

GW made this

[karmic raft]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Arkhan_Land

[deft sedge]

in conjunction with "Lou's Hot Sauce"

[past hedge]

Oi don't get snarky boyo

I'm talking about the exact man who thought of this

[signal bramble]

I know. I was making a joke.

[past hedge]

I'll kill 'em

[deft sedge]

fuck I'm not a mind reader

[karmic raft]

Fuck

[past hedge]

No shiz lol

[signal bramble]

I was making a bad dad joke.

XD

[deft sedge]

until I get more information I will blame James Workshop himself

as is tradition

[karmic raft]

John Warhammer

[deft sedge]

check out this officially licensed fake fucking leather jacket that looks like shit

or you can get any 4 ugly coffee mugs for just 45$ USD!

or you could get this terrible decal Chaos hoodie for the low low price of 80 dollars

[past hedge]

Jeez...

[past hedge]

jesus

[deft sedge]

maybe interest you in a "keep kalm [sic] and waagh" baby jumper?

[past hedge]

I'll make my own damn merch

Actually no

Clothes

Mine only

[deft sedge]

most embarrasu

[past hedge]

Yeah I'll make my own clothes lmao

[deft sedge]

could I interest you perhaps in an Ultramarines commemorative coin that costs 20.99 and is worth 10 cents from a Chinese factory?

[past hedge]

A what

This implies there's more

Good god

[deft sedge]

don't worry it looks terrible

[past hedge]

They think they're Star Wars LMAO

[deft sedge]

what about a Slaanesh candle that's made to smell like jizz?

[past hedge]

Oh wait the candles are kinda neat

The nurgle one is the funniest

[deft sedge]

for 25 bucks??

wax is basically free

[past hedge]

The concept is neat

Pricing shouldn't really matter

[dusk patrol]

Wow, merchandise is overpriced?

Damn

[past hedge]

You know it'll be expensive lol

[dusk patrol]

Next you'll tell me a 9$ beer at the ballpark didn't cost me 8$ to make.

[deft sedge]

you're telling me the cost of something is immaterial?

[past hedge]

No

[dusk patrol]

No ones holding a gun to your head to make you buy a candle

[past hedge]

I'm just saying what Eternal is saying LOL

It's always gonna be expensive

[deft sedge]

I don't watch baseball because I'm not a numpty, lol

[dusk patrol]

Like yeah its overpriced, don't buy it then

[past hedge]

I'm just saying the concept of scented candles is funny and neat

But sadly it's 20 dollars instead of a reasonable price like 5-10

[deft sedge]

lmao wut. now price matters?

[past hedge]

Also like... clothes is always gonna be lame if it relates to a pop culture thing or fandom thing

[dusk patrol]

They were selling milk cartons with R2D2 on them when the Force Awakens came out

[deft sedge]

personally I would never wear anything in the 40k catalogue because I'm tzniut

[past hedge]

Lol that's silly

[deft sedge]

but even for fan clothes they are especially horrifying looking

that jacket's hideous damn

[dusk patrol]

I wouldn't wear any 40k stuff in public because I don't plan to take a vow of celibacy anytime soon

[karmic raft]

Yeah ur gonna look like a dork

No cap

[dusk patrol]

But I mean, people can do what they want

I'm sure some people could rock that shit.

[past hedge]

Same lol

[dusk patrol]

I'm too tall for any of it, its always the wrong size for anything I don't buy special.

[past hedge]

I like wearing general clothing. Plain stuff that doesn't make me stand out

[deft sedge]

I just wear suits pretty much 'cause I'm workin all the damn time

suits to shul too obviously

[past hedge]

Unless I know it's something that's not gonna look too bad. Like I'd wear an ork shirt with just one of the many clan symbols but I don't want anything else. Maybe make it like, a symbol on the left breast of the shirt

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the context too

Going to something like, a fan event or whatever vs just going out.

[elfin cradle]

Shouldn't humans and necrons form an official alliance? Small scale alliances have happened twice (Cadia and Silent King). Silent King needs to stop Tyrannids and Humans need to put down Chaos for good with Necron Blackstone

[deft sedge]

not until Imperium changes its slogans lol

could be perceived as "slightly insensitive"

[elfin cradle]

Nothing that propaganda can't fix.

[dusk patrol]

Necrons aren't interested

Imperium also isn't really

Only when need is dire does it happen.

[elfin cradle]

It certainly looks dire

[dusk patrol]

Not dire enough

[elfin cradle]

Have people seen the size of Leviathan

[dusk patrol]

The Silent King is currently laying waste to the Imperium worlds in the Pariah Nebula

Or whatever its called now

[deft sedge]

actually no, most people haven't

maybe one guy?

[dusk patrol]

Also we don't even know

Its intentionally ambiguous

[elfin cradle]

Silent King has

[deft sedge]

okay but he's not really talking about it is he, lol

[dusk patrol]

And he doesn't need the Imperium's help

[elfin cradle]

Which is why he noped the fuck back to the galaxy

I would expect silent King and Kryptman to come to an alliance

[dusk patrol]

I guess my point is its hard to stress how little either side trusts the other, and how little the Necrons are interested in any sort of alliance

Kryptmann probably would be down for it tbh.

At least temporarily

But he has no power

And no Necrons are asking

Its not like Eldar, who the Imperium still has conflicts with

CWE fairly consistently could be bargained with

If they weren't Biel-Tan

And it was mutually beneficial.

Necrons almost never has it happened, and it was very special cases.

And the Imperium is still not like, buddy buddy with the Eldar factions whose interests align with them.

And said factions aren't in the midst of creating a zone where souls can't exist and warp travel can't happen, and are wiping out all other life, or capturing it for experimentation.

[elfin cradle]

Another reason for Silent King to want to ally, is that many human worlds are Tomb worlds. They can engage in conflicts when SK needs to wake them up, but clearly they have bigger enemies to worry about

[dusk patrol]

That's not a reason for him to want to ally.

That's a reason for further extermination.

Or capture

They do not see other races as potential allies, only vessels with which they can maybe one day undo biotransference with.

Necron arrogance is still very alive and well.

[elfin cradle]

Reason is that if he decides to fight human empire, as in the whole of empire, it would be too much even for him

The human empire is the most dominant now

[dusk patrol]

Its not clear although based off the Pariah nebula lore, it would not.

He's literally just roflstomping his way through the Imperium forces

[elfin cradle]

Blood Angels fought him to a draw

[stuck kindle]

Zola grew up in tertium.

Was she part of the moebian 6th?

[elfin cradle]

No idea

[deft sedge]

well he has access to the Celestial Orrery

he could just blow up humanity

literally anytime

[elfin cradle]

Better question is
Does grendyl even exist
Or is he like Emmanuel Goldstein

[deft sedge]

pinch the terra star and boom

humanity’s fucked

[dusk patrol]

They did not, and thats very dated lore anyways

[stuck kindle]

Grendyl is dead

[dusk patrol]

In the book they were just stalling the Necrons, they weren't even close to fighting them to a draw.

The Silent King just left once the threat was ended more or less

[elfin cradle]

Clearly the necrons at this moment does not need to invite a full conflict, as Trazyn concurs

[dusk patrol]

They don't care to, it doesn't mean they couldn't.

Its not even clear what the Silent King's whole goal is rn.

[deft sedge]

what?

[dusk patrol]

Trayzn's opinion on bigger matters doesn't really...matter also.

In the grand scheme he doesn't have much political power overall.

Moreso the opposite tbh since no one trusts him

[elfin cradle]

It's pretty clear to me that necrons need humans to help with biotransference and waking up his subjects

[dusk patrol]

They probably do, which is why they aren't wiping them out completely.

But we don't know what his plan or goal is.

[deft sedge]

who knows they could probably 3d print themselves flesh bodies and just pour themselves in

we don't really even know how biotransference worked or who did it arguably

[elfin cradle]

If they could they would have done that themselves long ago I suppose

[deft sedge]

i mean it kind of rocks to be a death metal robot

can't really blame 'em

[celest dome]

It rock until you realise you kinda can't have much fun any more

[mossy mortar]

That looks like more of a challenge coin

[mossy mortar]

Also they might not actually have free will anymore

[deft sedge]

wtf is a challenge coin

do you mean a "portrait medal"?

[mossy mortar]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenge_coin

[mossy mortar]

Basically modern form of portrait medal

[deft sedge]

i was mostly just pulling your dingus but thanks for the link

it's funny to imagine people showing each other the Ultramarines coin

[vocal drum]

wait why is this bad

far away from combat

no tyranids, >no necrons >no 16 hour factory warehouse jobs?

[ruby sparrow]

Are the sewers underhives?

Then the chance of necron or tyranid is nonzero and uh, hive city gangs, mutants, heretic cults... xenos, who the fuck knows what else

[mossy mortar]

It's a dumb meme

[deft sedge]

you gonna catch space cholera

[noble hinge]

what kind of xenos?

Whats the difference between the spacehulk deathwing librarian and the darktide psyker in terms of power? lore wise

[ruby sparrow]

Not entirely sure. It varies from psyker to psyker and librarian to linrarian

[celest dome]

Could be better

Could be much more worse

[signal bramble]

Probably that one of them is a space marine

[celest dome]

Most likely Genestealer or minor xenos

[celest dome]

The Librairian are taught more and are using better stuff

[signal bramble]

The difference in power between a space marine and a normal human is pretty drastic inherently.

If both are psykers then the space marine has access to better tech and training but.

[celest dome]

Otherwise I don't think becoming a SM make a Psyker stronger in their Psyker stuff

[noble hinge]

ye one is space marine

but doesnt metter right?

if the psyker is stronger

[signal bramble]

Thing is that if both are psykers and can counter each others psyker powers then all that’s left is a physical contest.

And I’d personally bet on the space marine.

[noble hinge]

maybe in physical power and durability i guess, does the space marine power armor amplifies the librarian psychic power?

[deft sedge]

space marines kill psykers all the time

[signal bramble]

They have the psychic hoods and better tech.

[noble hinge]

i remember in the fan movie astartes the 2 psykers riped out the gold of the statue to put it on their face and body to amplify their power

[signal bramble]

Though a human psyker can kill normal space marines. In throne of light a psyker that’s like 17-19 and infused with some chaos training rips several primaris marines apart.

Space Marines also have superior mental faculties so I imagine that gives them a much better element of control.

[noble hinge]

the astartes psykers were also low lvl ones i think i only saw telekinetic powers

[celest dome]

While Astartes is no cannon

And it's very much SM w#nking

But the Astartes Psyker are quite strong

More than we are I'd say

[noble hinge]

really? cuz somebody said they belong to lower lvl ones, maybe not that low but

why did they put gold tho as masks?

amplifies the power?

[celest dome]

Well they are on the level of Primaris Psyker I'd say

As for the masks, not cannon so who know

[signal bramble]

Keep in mind that power levels in 40k are subjective as hell and are whatever the writer needs them to be. That’s important to keep in mind in every discussion.

[celest dome]

Might house their telekine hoods

[noble hinge]

if they were stronger they could have ripped that space marine apart? it was hard for them to do it, the helmet started cracking and all but still

[signal bramble]

Potentially yes.

It could have been a power issue. They could have been panicking a little because getting charged by space marines is terrifying. Make any excuse you want.

[worn pagoda]

Do any tech-priests get stuck doing shit on Catachan?

I imagine the priests themselves wouldn't venture outside of HABs, and are fleet-side unless needed.

[signal bramble]

Since Catachan imports all of its stuff it stands to reason there’s an Admech presence there.

[worn pagoda]

Maybe engine-seers? For keeping the flamers in good shape. Since otherwise the jungle gets bitchy.

[signal bramble]

Enginseers are the rank and file of the Admech priesthood for precisely that kind of work.

[noble hinge]

ye lol they kept suppressing fire all the time lol

that was fun, they kept getting blasted by telekinetic waves yet they still kept firing

[worn pagoda]

I imagine once a hab is nice and regulated you can relegate any but major maintenance to servitors. It'll be fine unless the flamer squads get Jumanji'd and the hab is eaten by plants.

[brittle slate]

I… am back, but there’s a lot and the guy sitting next to me is practicing some kind of martial arts…

[deft sedge]

yeah

some of them gotta research the jungle

which I imagine sucks serious ass

[signal bramble]

The Tau do use sterilization, the farsight books confirm it.

They don’t use it but an earth caste scientist specifically names it as one of many potential tools for colonizing and integrating certain species.

[barren tapir]

There is no Ad. Mech. presence on catachan

That is on its soil, probably there are quite some on space station to experiment on stuff

[worn pagoda]

Bet they get stuck wearing green.

Heh. Nerds.

[barren tapir]

Nope

[deft sedge]

wonder what the rumour engine is

[deft sedge]

they send explorator fleets there sometimes but they're unsuccessful

it's in one of the Imp Guard books from like 2005 or some shit

[barren tapir]

Not even that

[deft sedge]

my brother in Hashem I literally read it

want a screencap of the line?

[barren tapir]

No need to send explorator fleet in a well know system and planet

[barren tapir]

Sure

[worn pagoda]

Btw speaking of Catachan. I discovered the Imperator Salvus a few hours ago and I gotta say...

Catachan Sororitas? GW can do something right.

[barren tapir]

Old lore is always a fun read

[deft sedge]

The true diversity of life on Catachan has never been catalogued, though many Adeptus Mechanicus Explorator expeditions have tried and failed.

from this book

in the astra militarum omnibus or whatever

[barren tapir]

Ah, i see, we meant the same things but with different name

I said they might keep a presence on space station on orbit to experiment

But those are not explorator fleets

[brittle slate]

Which.

[signal bramble]

At the end of empire of lies.

The earth caste scientist scene.

[deft sedge]

also in Deathwatch core rulebook

The Sept’s humans (referred to by the Tau as ‘Gue’la’) adhere not to the Imperial Creed, but to the Tau ideal of the Greater Good. The Tau teach that the perfect society, one modelled after the Tau themselves, has a place for every creature; with every creature in that place, fulfilling their assigned roles without question, for the good of the Sept as a whole. Imperial religion is prohibited and the Tau Water Caste run education (and re-education) programs that instil an understanding and love of the Greater Good into the sometimes reluctant gue’la minds. Populations are regularly sterilised to prevent population growth outstretching Tau methods of control. Human transgressors against the Greater Good are not publicly executed, as is the Imperial way, for the Tau see no need to publicise the fates of those who oppose them. Instead, such gue’la simply disappear, and it is the way of the Greater Good to convince oneself that they never existed at all.

I have that guy blocked though so he probably won't see that

[celest dome]

Want me to copy it ?

[ruby sparrow]

I still love the regimental standard

[deft sedge]

honestly don't give a shit

[celest dome]

Good, best way to move in life

[deft sedge]

appreciate the sentiment though

Tau also sterilize the hell out of people in Dark Crusade

the most Excellent Warhammer Game

[barren tapir]

And in soulstorm too

[deft sedge]

soulstorm got a bad rap

I think people just still didn't like Sororitas back then

[brittle slate]

Ok. Literally everyone acknowledges that Phil Kelly has his own universe that he writes in because he proactively doesn’t read any other tau lore. So i can talk about everyone else’s lore or I can talk about Kelly lore but they don’t mix.

Now- Velk’han Sept is a bit different, but it’s imperial populations.

And dark crusade says in the same sentence that it was the population being divided, not the assumption of sterilization

[barren tapir]

HEY! It was what got me into warhammer!!

[brittle slate]

But this is Deathwatch?

Imperial humans are “Gue’la”

Humans who join the tau are “gue’vesa”

[deft sedge]

well yeah I'm not saying it was bad

I'm saying it got a bad rap

[barren tapir]

More that you cannot accept the truth honestly

Tau are not good guys deal with it

[brittle slate]

… I mean, mosey through Reddit or any of the tau discords

[dusk patrol]

Tau Stans and not accepting any lore which makes their faction not wholesome good boys 100% morally righteous

Name a more iconic duo

[brittle slate]

And I can accept it- but it’s just you have to divide the two

In Kelly’s lore Shadowsun is from Vior’la and had no other family

Farsight could FTL even without FTL

and Vash’ya isn’t a sept it’s a naughty thing you do that gets you mind wiped or executed

[dusk patrol]

I love Iron Hands and I hate most of their books

It’s still canon

[deft sedge]

hey if you reveal this message my guy - go bang blue cow people if you love them so much

lol

[dusk patrol]

It’s copium to think otherwise

[barren tapir]

Lots of points were given that had nothing to do with kelly, and yet you didn't accepted them

[celest dome]

I mean if we are allowed to pick and chose the part of the lore we want...

[brittle slate]

Oh look. A 12 year old.

[deft sedge]

hey he is revealing my messages!!

lol what a loser

[brittle slate]

Velk’han is an interesting sept… I said that

It’s also where Fehevari’s work takes place

[deft sedge]

Tau stans can't even accept the defeat implicit in their fandom

truly sad

[brittle slate]

And is a region out of control, like those are your grimdark tau right there. The water caste is mostly in charge after they assassinated the ethereal council

[barren tapir]

You know about the story about the human and tau detectives used as bait for genestealers by ethereals?

Or the xenophobic sept?

[brittle slate]

Like on T’ros, or the atrocities of Brightsword

[barren tapir]

Or how tau do preemptive strikes against worlds that might not bow to them?

[brittle slate]

Is that indicative that the entire society is morally bankrupt or playing to, lit, “the greater good”?

[brittle slate]

When though?

[barren tapir]

Or how they are subtle diplomatics that try to make others uncomfortable to have easier time getting what they want?

[brittle slate]

Because Brightsword tried to attack the imperium after being censored with a mercenary army and the tau let an imperial kill team assassinate him to avoid all out war with the imperium

There’s plenty of examples of tau doing shitty things- they just aren’t fisted so ineloquently

And again- it’s always for the greater good

[barren tapir]

Yes, it is if you have eyes to see behind the curtain of nice smiles and similar... This doesn't mean that they are super evil or comically evil like chaos, this just mean they are not good doing guys... They have their interests, and when interests get threatened or others simply don't comply they get the gun in the face treatment...

[dusk patrol]

Heh fisted

[celest dome]

Is Psyker stuff genetic ? And would 2 Psyker always make Psyker babies ?

[brittle slate]

Jesus Christ. @barren tapir you talk like a wannabe priest.

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it’s consistent

Same with blanks

[barren tapir]

Nah, i talk like someone that had too many interactions with blind tau fans

[dusk patrol]

^

[deft sedge]

😂

[dusk patrol]

It gets super old

Same shit eveytime

[deft sedge]

unlike the fans

[barren tapir]

Yes genetic, no not certain that the childrens would be psykers

[hollow prairie]

I have a simple question. What Space Marine chapter is closest to Tertium Prime?

[crisp heath]

Do tyranids originate from Detroit perhaps?

[dusk patrol]

Probably IF?

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/its-illegal-for-you-to-ask-me-that-i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-gif-23816779

[barren tapir]

Probably none

[hollow prairie]

tyranids obviously come from Florida

[dusk patrol]

Imperial Fists

[barren tapir]

Or australia

[deft sedge]

no, its florida, currently they have a spore cyst for governor

[hollow prairie]

mmk thanks. The question has just been bugging me for a few days but I'm not seasoned enough in the lore.

[crisp heath]

I mean think about it they’re constantly stealing shit just like the average Detroit resident

[brittle slate]

You literally won’t acknowledge anything by I’m saying. But it’s cool, you made a new friend with eternal.

[barren tapir]

I have to ask a florida guy i know about this

[deft sedge]

DeSantis is most definitely a tyranid impostor

and future president

[hollow prairie]

don't forget to give him the customary gift of meth before asking for the seer's eternal wisdom

[barren tapir]

I read you, and i know what you are talking about because it is not the first time i deal with such kind of fan, i know well what tau do, it is not me that ignore what they regularly do, you seems to lack some part of their lore

[hollow prairie]

tbf all politicians are nid cultists

[celest dome]

Orks ?

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/true-gif-21006811

look at Liz Truss

not like, any examples, just look at her

[hexed shard]

whats an aegis station

[barren tapir]

Defence station/garrison

[hollow prairie]

the entire mechanicus just busted

[crisp heath]

Mars is now white

[hollow prairie]

"it deserved it dressed like that" -some tech priest

[deft sedge]

the true horus heru$$y

[brittle slate]

… ok Saturday morning villain.

[barren tapir]

Please, at least i wish to be a Monday level villain...

[crisp heath]

Hehe there’s a funny little guy inside my gun

-Zagreus Kane probably

[hollow prairie]

looks like I need to read more HH books

[barren tapir]

Oh, and be careful to not fall under the influence of khorne like it happened to tau on Bor'kahn during a raid iirc...

[crisp heath]

Horussy

[brittle slate]

Who the fuck gets to watch cartoons on a Monday?!?

[deft sedge]

1 horussy 40,000 warhammers

[crisp heath]

I’d let horus rearrange my guts in both ways tbh

[brittle slate]

It’s Bork’an. And everyone falls under khorn’s influence- that’s like… his thing.

Read Eye of Terror. Loyalist space marines are influenced by him.

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/war-hammer-fantasy-gif-19395056

[mossy mortar]

Lol

[haughty lodge]

Blood for the Emperor! Skulls for the Golden Throne!

[gusty sequoia]

what you guy think inside box the Emperor left for mankind

[deft sedge]

what box

[signal bramble]

The terminus decree?

[gusty sequoia]

yes

[deft sedge]

||the secret to why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch||

[haughty lodge]

the only way to both engage in eternal war and not fall under Khornate corruption is to have some sort of concurrent immunity to warp bullshit:

Craftworld Eldar forcibly suppress all emotions and fight with utter dispassion, and their warriors regularly "switch paths" to some new focus like farming or jewelcrafting or poetry.

Necrons are soulless and thus immune to warp corruption.

Orks revel in war, but they do so almost as a biological necessity (which means they aren't facilitating Khorne through "bloodlust"-styled emotions like hatred or rage) while also attributing their kills to Gork and Mork.

Likewise with Imperial humans, they attribute and dedicate their wanton slaughter to the Emperor, which means that although Khorne has some influence on them potentially, it's countermanded by their superior conscious faith in another godimmortalatheistmummysuperpsychicgalacticconquerorwhodefinitelyisnotagod

Tyranids are fundamentally just animals, while also suppressing the warp with the hivemind shadow, so they aren't meaningfully affected by any sort of Chaos infiltration.

That leaves, in my mind, Drukhari (who probably could fall under Khorne's inluence but for the fact that they're secreted in the webway), the T'au (who have minor warp signatures but can definitely become corrupted without knowing it because they're grossly ignorant of Chaos), and renegade humans (who regularly fall to Khorne)

[crisp heath]

A half eaten sandwich

[haughty lodge]

basically, "if you've got no soul, you're hiding somewhere where Chaos can't reach, or your bloodlust is offered up to a different god, then Khorne derives power from your actions but can't easily directly corrupt you"

[mossy mortar]

It would be funny if the emperor's personality is really just a psychic gestalt

And he's a jerk because people are jerks

[deft sedge]

it'd be funnier IMO if the emperor was just dead

they've been feeding the astronomican pointlessly

custodians are all pointless

[mossy mortar]

What heresy does to a mf

[deft sedge]

it would be a major retcon but it would be great

[crisp heath]

Yeah but I like the term “psychic potato” more than dead corpse

[full bane]

"So anyway, the astronomicon works just fine when you unplug it from the throne. Apparently it was designed to be powered off the palace's generator rather than whatever thousand damned souls feeding through this life support system thing you have going."

[gusty sequoia]

heresy

heresy is strong in this chat were is inquisitor

[deft sedge]

the ultimate La-Z-Boy

he is the chair

[deft sedge]

seriously this would be great

"oh that warp portal? it just kind of ... closed. guess the whole "Magnus" thing wasn't super necessary"

[crisp heath]

And I’m gonna sit on him

[gusty sequoia]

they should just kill him and let him respawn

[mossy mortar]

That's actually one of the plotlines in the old inquisitor gsme

[full bane]

"Oh the pipes that pump liquified psyker? Yeah we figured it out. It's supposed to be a catheter, it goes into a sewage bin under the chair... Basically we've been achieving nothing the past 10,000 years. Let's cover it up and pretend nothing has changed."

Weekend at Bernie's? Nah, Ten Millenia at Emp's.

[gusty sequoia]

how it end ?

[mossy mortar]

They stopped making miniatures for it

[deft sedge]

it'd be great

plot twist

[ruby sparrow]

50k nights at fredperor's

[mossy mortar]

It's right there in the subtitle

[deft sedge]

the corpse on the throne isn't even the Emperor

it's just Bob from Accounting

there was a mix-up and they tossed the Emperor's body in the garbage chute on the Vengeful Spirit

[ruby sparrow]

Emperors just on vacation out of galaxy

"Hello imperium what did i miss i was working on unfucking the human webway and what the actual fuck happened while i was gone?"

[mossy mortar]

My favorite possibility that used to be hinted at is that the tyranids are coming here because of the astronomicon like it's a giant bug light

[gusty sequoia]

i dont know chainsword man play warhammer 40k ?

[barren tapir]

It is true, it is also not hinted anymore... It is a known fact, but not in setting yet

[deft sedge]

they done confirmed it in Pharos

[sturdy nacelle]

I have a real question now

Where is Alpharius

[deft sedge]

ded

[sturdy nacelle]

and who is Alpharius

[deft sedge]

1/2 primarch of the alpha legion

bald man

[sturdy nacelle]

Wasn't it sudo-confirmed that he may not be dead

[sturdy nacelle]

I read that in the TTS voice

[deft sedge]

he got pretty hardcore killed by Dorn, I dunno

[mossy mortar]

But why is Alpharius

[deft sedge]

Rogal Dorn brought Storm’s Teeth around. The blade cut down through Alpharius’ skull, and then tore free in a spray of blood and a detonation of light.

Rogal Dorn, Praetorian of Terra, looked down at the corpse of his brother.

seems pretty ded

[odd palm]

I’d have to finish the Alpharius novel, but I’ve heard it confirmed Alpharius’ death.

[gusty sequoia]

is warhammer 40k series on disney +

[celest dome]

Alpharius is pretty dead, Omegon is vaguely dead

[storm jungle]

Yeah, go visit Marvel+

[odd palm]

The Omegon one is dubious at best.

[storm jungle]

It doesnt really matter

one of them is dead

and the entirety of Alpha Legion or at least the 90% serve chaos

[signal bramble]

It doesn’t.

[storm jungle]

people just run circles around grimdank with the Suspha Amongus Legion because upvotes

[signal bramble]

The book starts and ends with the same line.

“I am Alpharius. This is a lie.”

[storm jungle]

Considering the book reads like a DeviantArt fanfic?

Yeah hes telling the truth

[deft sedge]

lmao

[storm jungle]

omg

alpharius was found first!!111

like fuck off with that shit you bald fuck

[deft sedge]

alpharius is a dumb fucking name

omegon is even stupider

[storm jungle]

IT IS.

[deft sedge]

it's also, lol, from a Jesus quote

fuckin' embarassing

[odd palm]

Ah, so the book is about as impactful as damnation of Pyrgos

[visual lodge]

So...we're not gonna talk about Angron being THE DUMBEST with Goge and Lorgar behind that?

C'mon now...

for names that is...

[barren tapir]

Fuck erebus

[deft sedge]

see the funny thing is

it's not based on the word "angry"

comes from the greek agrios

"wild, savage, violent"

"non-domesticated" when applied to animals

just kidding he's Angron because he's the Angriest

I had you though, right? I had you

[visual lodge]

I mean...GW is the only org that would use "cum" in it's Latin sense so i mean...even IF fake, it totally tracks

[deft sedge]

pretty much every university does that

[visual lodge]

for a group, not in a normal sentence

"Hey John, can you hit this nail cum that hammer?" is something I'd say not normal

[deft sedge]

i'm confused lol

[last lagoon]

Seems like you dont want to live life to its fullest

[deft sedge]

summin' cum loudly

[visual lodge]

lol, real talk ; Hadron. I'm kinda spacing as to why tech-priest that's not an engineseer or maybe lexmech is with the inquistion doing stuff.

granted, aware they're on every ship but given admech's views towards inquisition, I find it hard that a tech-priest would be an agent under the willing context.

Assuming we have no backstory from most of the group that is

[storm jungle]

Any techpriest can be a part of any Inquisitor retinue

[full bane]

If the AdMech didn't work or contribute agents to (or barred their Priests from working with) any organisation they distrusted or looked down there would be no techpriests in the Imperium.

[deft sedge]

for sure it's a standard pick

[storm jungle]

the entire point of an Inquisitor is also to appeal to the position of an RPG game-master

and basically allow any player to mostly pick any background/career they want before joining up

Naturally tho this also works great for books and other stuff outside the RPG boundries

[kind parrot]

Unless if the players want to play Inquisitor 🙂

[deft sedge]

did you know the Mechanicus have their own mini Inquisition

Collegiate Extremis

[storm jungle]

Mhm 🙂

[visual lodge]

Right, but I'm caught up on the aspect of the wording "agent". In this context she's conscripted more/less

[storm jungle]

No because most 40k fans cant read

💀

[deft sedge]

hahaha

[full bane]

They've got their own Enforcer equivalent too.

[deft sedge]

this mod is a good mod, the only one so far I've seen with good patter

[kind parrot]

But then you would choose the next in the hierchchy to be GM's character

[deft sedge]

they should make you community manager

lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmao

fuck no

I'm not gonna bother with literal kindergardeners in general-chat

also Im way too hostile so reddit will twist all my words 💀

[deft sedge]

I go to GW the other day (bad decision)

whip out my booze

they tell me I can't drink in there because of the "Younger Playerbase"

smh

[kind parrot]

No with ogryn's "Why game no work? Why game no patch etc"

[full bane]

Just set the server on fire and let general sort itself out.

[storm jungle]

🙏

[deft sedge]

back in my day people got boozed up in the GW

shakes fist at cloud

[full bane]

GW stores these days are retail rather than actual hobby stores/communities.

[last lagoon]

Tbf I think GW stores vary alot

Especially with who is the manager

[full bane]

Sucks but they've got top tier distribution out of those stores.

[last lagoon]

Some I went to are great for getting together for gaming/hobbying

[full bane]

Yeah, it's somewhat dependent on the Store Manager but they've got rules they have to follow and the store layout/designs aren't meant for proper hobbying/gathering.

Like every single one I've been in has similar setups with the layout.

Meant to maximise display shelving space rather than stock, and with a nice big terrain board in the center.

[deft sedge]

again mostly for display

yeah that's been my experience

[visual lodge]

that's most big box stores nowadays really. i remember when "too many signs scare off customers" and then we'd throw up MORE signage

[deft sedge]

I don't really go to the store anymore because of that

why go when I can just buy it online with free shipping from GW, or 20% discounted at the LGS?

the LGS nearest me sucks though because it's full of people LARPING as WW2 Kriegers

[visual lodge]

start addressing them as numbers and see if they'll remember it after awhile

[last lagoon]

I do wish my LGS' would carry different paint brands

Instead of citadel and army painter

[deft sedge]

i dont mind either brand tbh. but no vallejo?

brutal

[last lagoon]

One day I'll find one with AK paints

Yeah I dont mind them but their price is tough

Except army painter but I dont really like their paints

[deft sedge]

army painter I quite like actually I switched almost entirely over to them

their speedpaint line I like especially well

[last lagoon]

I mainly paint for competition level and I feel their quality aint exactly that good for it

[deft sedge]

I paint for enjoyment mostly but I get good enough results from it imo

[past canyon]

ok bad lore question, but how many psykers worth of the daily budget would the Emperor be if we fed him to himself?

[last lagoon]

The paint line that I actually enjoy from them are the washes

[last lagoon]

What?

[deft sedge]

they make nice washes definitely

[past canyon]

you heard me

[last lagoon]

I legit didnt understand

[past canyon]

so if the emperor were to consume himself

would that fulfil the requisite 1k psykers or would you need more/less

[deft sedge]

don't make no damn sense and you know it

[last lagoon]

So he would be killing himself?

[past canyon]

well

[mossy mortar]

Hm you're right that is a bad question

[past canyon]

lets say a hypothetical scenario where he needed to keep doing his thing for as long as possible, but all the psykers dried up

how long would he be able to keep himself going

[deft sedge]

0 seconds

[past canyon]

is that a pretty high confidence answer? how much variance are we talking

[deft sedge]

depends are you doing research

I publish a confidence interval of 5%

[last lagoon]

He would be consuming himself

Oh wait

I'm actually confused

[deft sedge]

immediately after the drip dries up the astronomican dies
immediate endgame for all of humanity that is not self-sufficient
immediate explosion of the warp gate under terra obliterating every human life on it as an endless tide of daemons murderfucks the population

[last lagoon]

Are asking what would happen if Big E consumed himself or how long would he go without more psykers

[past canyon]

the second one mostly, but also kinda the first

[last lagoon]

Uuuh I dont remember if there was something saying how longs Emps could go without the daily sacrifices

[worn pagoda]

The throne is damaged in some way. The number of daily sacrifices has been steadily increasing.

[deft sedge]

He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.

[worn pagoda]

Probably not long at all considering what's left is a skeleton

[deft sedge]

imo this means without the souls he ded

[worn pagoda]

How many souls a day are we up to?

[deft sedge]

10K

1K is from Master of Mankind

eventually the Silent Sister says there is 1K, with 10x the caskets awaiting

[worn pagoda]

It's definitely getting worser faster

Somebody hurry and wake the Lion from his nap.

[deft sedge]

in MoM the 1K was required for a few hours btw

[deft sedge]

6e codex says it's 4K souls per day

[worn pagoda]

Damn

GW being conflicting?

That's totally never happened before

[kind parrot]

as always...

[deft sedge]

GW thinking 4K is a "big number" lol

[worn pagoda]

From innumerable planets while humanity is inching closer and closer to being a psychic species every day?

Not really, no.

[deft sedge]

i'm saying we are clearly expected to say "wow, the Emperor needs THAT MANY dudes? he must be fucked up!"

when in reality 4k is like less than a drop in the bucket for Terra

[worn pagoda]

I'm agreeing

That's nothing compared to the number of psykers put down by commissars every day.

The Only War book is based because it encourages psykers to get a comrade with the sole purpose of shooting the psyker in the head to mitigate psychic phenomena.

[ruby sparrow]

I assume an inquisitor being a psyker would be extrordinarily rare at best

[celest dome]

Statistically speaking, Psyker are quite well represented in the Inquisitors

[ruby sparrow]

As in an inquisitor proper

[celest dome]

Like its the only place where there is such a high concentration of Psyker

Oh yes, as proper Inquisitors

They still are a minority but still, quite a larger proportion that you'd think

[ruby sparrow]

I assume it would be ironic to have one in the ordo hereticus

[celest dome]

Not really

[worn pagoda]

The inquisition is hostile towards psykers, but accepting generally.

You might get your balls checked for witch-marks and signs of warp taint.

[ruby sparrow]

for some reason i made an inquisitor verson of harrier du bois in writing

[worn pagoda]

But a psyker can go far in the inquisition.

[celest dome]

The Inquisition isn't more hostile toward Psykers than the rest of the Imperium

[worn pagoda]

It is the ecclesiarchy psykers need to worry about.

[celest dome]

True

[worn pagoda]

A lot of inquisitors like to collect oddities within their retinue. So psykers find an odd home there.

[celest dome]

If anything being part of the Inquisition might be the best future for any Psyker

Apart from being a Telepath

[worn pagoda]

What worries me is that one inquisitor that absorbed an ogryn psyker into her retinue.

[celest dome]

Cassia

[worn pagoda]

Yeah.

A.K.A. dumb ass lore.

[celest dome]

The Inquisitor lady had a Rune Priest in her retinue

[ruby sparrow]

Not to mention arent there some inquisitor philosophies in the radical end of things which appreciate psykers?

[celest dome]

yes

Some see Psyker as the next step for humanity

[ruby sparrow]

Because the inquisitors seem to be one of the few groups with religious schisms ironicly enough

[worn pagoda]

I'm wondering if my dark mechanicus character in a game of Dark Heresy should be set on creating some sort of A.I. to be his prophet of the true Omnissiah.

[worn pagoda]

Meanwhile navigators get by on better privileges but harsher hatred.

[feral agate]

There are some radical inquisitors that would be declared heretics 100 times over if not for their position. They have a lot of leeway as long as they’re fighting chaos. Ends justify the means sort of thing

[celest dome]

It's mainly because the Inquisition was the setting for a rpg, so they built various smaller/inside group for it

[worn pagoda]

Somebody hasn't played Inquisitor Martyr.

I was about to say. It absolutely will kill you.

To be fair, it'll only drive you insane unless they're actively in the process of delving into the warp.

Then it'll shred your soul.

The Navis Nobilite are also insanely, unbelievably inbred.

To the point they need DNA tests and future seers to be certain a marriage won't end in a freak too horribly mangled fresh out of the womb to not get the ecclesiarchy's attention.

Depends on how much they use their eye.

[ruby sparrow]

I tried to for some reason translate harrier du bois from disco elysium over to being an inquisitor in 40k, and also decided to translate the weird skills shit to psyker bullshit

how stupid is that on a scale from 1 to 10

[worn pagoda]

Navigators are predisposed to fairly normal inbreeding mutations at birth, but also have a higher chance of developing chaos mutations from just existing.

[ruby sparrow]

So habsburgs ^5 plus warp fuckery

[celest dome]

Who the heck is Harrier du bois ?

[ruby sparrow]

main character from disco elysium

he is Most definitely on the radical end of inquisitors

[celest dome]

No idea what Disco elysium is and what the link is with warhammer

[ruby sparrow]

nevermind i did a stupid character port thing. for some reason porting a character over to a different setting can be weird or interesting

[celest dome]

I just don't understand what it is and why you mention is a lot of time in a lore channel

I though you were talking about something in 40k after a while

[ruby sparrow]

its a game.

which is styled after playing like a tabletop game in some ways

[brittle slate]

There's was going to be a scene where the navigator's handlers in Angels of Death shoot the first navigator before he becomes a portal

ep5

[brittle slate]

I'm hoping the next Wraight book explains what is happening to the throne

[worn pagoda]

That would require GW put effort into their lore again for the first time in 20 years.

Primaris taught us they won't do that.

[deft sedge]

there's no benefit for them really from a $$$ perspective

for "big lore effort"

[celest dome]

Primaris were made to adjust the scale of SM minis, as it was limiting the "regular" human minis and other stuff like that (And selling new minis foremost)

[deft sedge]

they should have just made truescale

IMO

[worn pagoda]

I would be fine with primaris marines if... y'know... every marine wasn't a primaris.

[deft sedge]

the models themselves at least are decent

[worn pagoda]

You can't tell me the insular as fuck Carcharodons who can't be assed to fly the fleet in for repairs suped their marines up in a thousand years.

[deft sedge]

I do really like the modularity of the new primaris intercessor kit

stupid leg flanges aside

[worn pagoda]

Screw the culture and beliefs of the different chapters.
All primaris. Same models, more plastic, more money.

[deft sedge]

the flying dudes I hate, as well as all the new vehicles except the Redemptor dread

castaferrum dread still MVP and my beloved

[worn pagoda]

Eschew space marine

[celest dome]

I quite like the flying dude with the welder face plate

[worn pagoda]

Return to Kastelan

[brittle slate]

i don't get this at all. They should see what happens when you don't give a shit about the lore

[deft sedge]

for me these are the worst minis GW has ever released en masse

[brittle slate]

LotR: Rings of Power, Halo

[brittle slate]

FUCK these guys

[worn pagoda]

Return to 30ft tall robot men that are all of them the Iron Giant in space marine armor but need a data smith nearby constantly reprogramming them or they'll fuck off in massive squads to follow the last highly precise order they received.

[celest dome]

I like those heads

[deft sedge]

they're OK I guess

[deft sedge]

kastelans are so cool

[worn pagoda]

This is why I love Inquisitor Martyr but hate that they nerfed the 5 Kastelan meta out of the game.

[brittle slate]

the tall ones are their leaders..

[dusk patrol]

It has never changed

[deft sedge]

for every kastelan there is a

[kind parrot]

Welll actually the wierd part from that game is inqusitor kills a lot of chaos marines...

[worn pagoda]

We shouldn't be surprised

[deft sedge]

i way prefer the retro 30k aesthetic

[dusk patrol]

Primaris height was increased but marine height in lore has been steady for like, as long as 40k has had books and marine as they exist.

Not to mention marines have always had pretty variable height.

[worn pagoda]

This bullshit is written by the same british fucks that don't know what a gun's slide is called, or the difference between a clip and a magazine.

[dusk patrol]

Except Forge World chapter masters

[celest dome]

Not that weird, the SM don't have plot armour for once

[dusk patrol]

Who are always tall

[deft sedge]

finally another user who gets GW

where have you been

[dusk patrol]

Keep increasing implies its been done more than once.

They increased their height once, for a kinda silly reason.

[worn pagoda]

Here, talking shit once every few months.

[brittle slate]

i think he might mean that primaris are taller

[dusk patrol]

I'm pretty sure I know what he meant but he said it like its a reoccurring thing

[worn pagoda]

Isn't inventing new marine variants the height of heresy? Burn the fucking train alive for being a heretek

[dusk patrol]

When it happened once in like forty years

[brittle slate]

They increase the model height all the time

[dusk patrol]

in the lore

[brittle slate]

Ah

[deft sedge]

no, burn the train alive for giving us the king of lores

[kind parrot]

Actually it is the biggest weakness of the game.. even Eisenhorn killed only one SM in his carear maybe more but the proportion is out of hands in that game...

[deft sedge]

the Arkhan Land lore

[dusk patrol]

Depends on whose backing you and how you did it

With Cawl, he had the highest possible backing plus he was using the Emperor's notes

He just kinda figured out what he could from there.

[brittle slate]

That's the part I don't like

[worn pagoda]

I miss Malcador

[dusk patrol]

He didn't really invent anything, he just added what was planned but couldn't be finished.

And it took him thousands of years to do that.

And he only did what he could figure out

[brittle slate]

Fabius didn't come anywhere close to Cawl

[dusk patrol]

Fabius didn't try to do what Cawl did

[brittle slate]

I wish there'd be more... problems? with primaris

[deft sedge]

malcador is very sweet

[dusk patrol]

Fabius was making new people

[brittle slate]

Initially there were

[deft sedge]

I love when he chokes the shit out of horus

[dusk patrol]

Cawl was trying to make slightly better marines

[celest dome]

Well Eisenhorn isn't really from a Warrior Conclave, and there is still gameplay to make around the lore

[brittle slate]

like the dreadnaught that burns out the driver

[dusk patrol]

At the end of the day we shouldn't be killing hundreds of veteran traitor guard or beasts of nurgle or daemonhosts either.

Its a game

[worn pagoda]

Cheap fucking excuse for bigger marines

Oh but the emperor actually planned it all along

Seems like he had a good few thousand years to do that plan.

[dusk patrol]

That's a very original complaint that no one has made before

[worn pagoda]

Might've helped against Horus. Idk.

[dusk patrol]

What year is it, 2016?

[deft sedge]

the emperor just kinda forgot about prime marine size

[dusk patrol]

He didn't have time to finish a lot of stuff.

[deft sedge]

man you are such a prick all the time. is it not exhausting?

damn

[dusk patrol]

Just tired of the endless bitching

[deft sedge]

where do you get the bandwidth

sign me up

I could use that energy at work

[worn pagoda]

Lol

[brittle slate]

you do seem to want everyone to just like everything in 40k

[dusk patrol]

Same place you guys find it in your hearts to still yearn for the days of 40k where nothing fucking happened

[deft sedge]

sounds like you're projecting

[kind parrot]

It's hard to not take into account that SM are made for war and they basically hard to beat, so in this case Martyr screwed up... they should have just left them out

[dusk patrol]

I don't care if they like it, its just these things are explained a ton.

And the complaints are half a decade old and boring af.

[brittle slate]

EoT? Dark Stars? Medusa V? Stuff happened all the time.

[deft sedge]

so if it's so boring then go fuck your girlfriend or something, lmao

damn

I know my wife would like me to shitpost on WH lore less

[dusk patrol]

Valuable contribution as always

[final spruce]

I will be honest, Primaris felt very shoehorned in the lore of 40k, especially after all the banter between the lore and design team, which is why Cawl may look like a Fabricator General since he was supposed to be one.

[worn pagoda]

Implying that marines growing two inches is something happening

[deft sedge]

🤷 I call it as it is bro

lol

I won't apologize for that

[dusk patrol]

Uh huh

[dusk patrol]

You're right, the only update to lore since 2016 has been marines got some height

silly me

[deft sedge]

definitely badly done

[dusk patrol]

The setting hasn't changed at all besides that

[deft sedge]

emblematic of the new direction at GW

which is like "bulldoze ahead and the plebs will buy it"

[dusk patrol]

I mostly agreed, I just find the complaints about it to be dumb since its explained, just say you don't like primaris and leave it at that.

[worn pagoda]

Weird how this conversation started with me critiquing primaris, and how suddenly you were talking about more than primaris only to snap at me for not talking about fifty other books and games that have happened in the years inbetween.

[brittle slate]

it's because it was a late stage development- it was just going to be new armor

[dusk patrol]

I think they could have just switched scale without the primaris, but I think that authors have made some cool storylines and ideas out of he primaris idea.

[deft sedge]

literally happens every time this guy needs anger management classes

the NHS pays for that you know

[final spruce]

I think that is the issue to be honest, even with the Cicatrix Maledictum, a lot of things didn't change or , the changes weren't explained or retconned, such is the case of all psykers born from the other side wouldn't be able to be soulbound to the Emperor

[dusk patrol]

You guys really take being wrong or misinformed about the lore super personal

[worn pagoda]

Just buy a punching bag at this point. Or get married.

[deft sedge]

what's the difference

[final spruce]

Last one is a bit dark chief

[dusk patrol]

Yeah there's been some issues, I don't love it all. But I think a lot of the movement forward has been good.

[worn pagoda]

LOL!

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/made-myself-sad-futurama-professor-farnsworth-gif-4865774

[worn pagoda]

I'm sad too

[dusk patrol]

Domestic violence is funny guys

[worn pagoda]

Welcome to the grimdark future of overly edgy humor

[deft sedge]

I'm the punching bag in that joke you fuckin bell-end

learn to read

[final spruce]

Of course, after years of stagnation it had to move, I just think it would have been handled better, atleast it was better done than End Times

[worn pagoda]

Oops. I gave him ammo.

Watch him slurp it up like an ork

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[brittle slate]

the retcon shows how much they fucked up

[deft sedge]

this is the type of guy to buy Belle Delphine's bathwater

[dusk patrol]

I think at the least Guilliman's arc has been well done

[deft sedge]

that's a joke my student told me

I don't really get it

or who 'Belle Delphine" is

[brittle slate]

hard pass

[kind parrot]

They f up when Total War bought or licensed the IP now they are feeling sad...

[earnest snow]

Primarchs were updated guys. They're now all perpetuals. Thank you for listening

[brittle slate]

getting saved by the emperor at the 25th hour was stupid

[final spruce]

Especially when a decent bunch of the retcon was actually good story wise but was deleted as it could have impeded on sales of miniatures

[worn pagoda]

The only part of Rowboat Girlyman's arc that I dislike is all the fucking ships of him and the knife-ear.

[deft sedge]

bro I would not even be surprised

[dusk patrol]

Godblight isn't great but most of the rest of it was good

[brittle slate]

yeah... but actually

[dusk patrol]

Its more they couldn't have told a story without it.

[worn pagoda]

Somebody wake the Lion up from his nap! I know goldilocks needs his beauty sleep but the Imperium is on fire!

[deft sedge]

me reading Know No Fear, enjoying myself
"hold on did Ollanius just talk about the fuckin Illuminati?"

sad

[dusk patrol]

With the retcon things can happen now which we don't know the outcome to.

[deft sedge]

mad cause bad

[dusk patrol]

I don't expect it to be amazing but overall interesting things are happening.

[worn pagoda]

So quality doesn't matter?

Just quantity?

We're getting more guys

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/red-letter-media-jay-mike-movies-endless-trash-gif-7714316

[kind parrot]

Gw is known about quality or quantity?

[dusk patrol]

Quality for 40k is always loosey goosey

[worn pagoda]

You wanna talk about arguments we've been hearing for years? Go the fuck back to star wars with your bullshit.

[dusk patrol]

Did you read the lore prior to 2016?

Its always been a huge mixed bag

[kind parrot]

Mini is known about quality but lore is about quantity ...

[worn pagoda]

Yeah but we're getting more 40k now. That automatically means what we're getting is good.

[brittle slate]

lol

[worn pagoda]

Don't you know. More is better.

[dusk patrol]

God I missed where I said that

[worn pagoda]

Careful

[dusk patrol]

I think I've actually said multiple times, its a mixed bag and its not all good.

[worn pagoda]

You're one huffed fart away from being a shit based lifeform

[deft sedge]

lol

hahah

[dusk patrol]

I guess I'm still the one whose mad somehow

[worn pagoda]

Nah I admit it

[dusk patrol]

Meanwhile you're still stuck in 2016 malding over lore which still exists

[worn pagoda]

Your blatant stupidity is infuriating me.

[dusk patrol]

And is still being made actually

[deft sedge]

2016 is a big date for you huh

what happened?

I too rue the Trump presidency

[dusk patrol]

I'll let you figure that one out on your own

[deft sedge]

nah, I don't give a fuck

[kind parrot]

Trump Won

[deft sedge]

he sure did

[brittle slate]

hm. At least it's comforting to know it's not just tau lore that gets the feces flying.

[worn pagoda]

Dah chu chu chwain made dah pwaht happen. Da' meen $)k gud 'gahn

[deft sedge]

spoken like a man who redeem

sir do NOT redeem

[worn pagoda]

I can't wait for Warhammer 50k when the standard marine is Primarch tier.

And Guilliman is the size of a Warhound

[deft sedge]

50k loops right back around to Fantasy

Sigmar is actually a space marine

[cerulean wagon]

gonna remind people to keep politics out of all conversations here

[brittle slate]

lol, there's a lot of great takes here lol

[cerulean wagon]

this aint the server for it

[deft sedge]

it was a joke but 👍

[cerulean wagon]

joke or otherwise, bringing up politics is still bringing up politics

[deft sedge]

sigh. I said 👍

thanks for the spiel dad

[worn pagoda]

Anyways. About them Catachan tech-priests.

Think a Rogue-Trader might be a dick and force the Navigator to help out outside of the ship? Or are even they smart enough not to risk such an important resource?

[brittle slate]

well, you lose it and you're stranded so

[deft sedge]

probably the latter I'd guess

even Night Lords value the navigator when she's a slave

[worn pagoda]

I've been kinda contemplating running a Navigator in a Rogue Trader game. But idk the point.

[deft sedge]

could be cool. maybe main navigator is on the ship and this one is a minor nobilite

out for "field training" or to get out of the navigator's room and adventure

[brittle slate]

there are often multiple navigators on a ship though

[worn pagoda]

Might just go with a simpler abhuman species and run a nightsider.

[brittle slate]

backups, if you will

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the RT more than anything but Navigators are basically the most important person on the ship typically.

Even moreso than the RT themself.

[worn pagoda]

That's a good point. A minor nobilite could work.

[dusk patrol]

But that also means they kinda get to do what they want

And the RT games are setup to let you do that.

[deft sedge]

the chick from Night Lords trilogy is that

[dusk patrol]

I'd just go with whats fun

[deft sedge]

and was off the ship for adventurousness IIRC

when they pick her up the first time

[worn pagoda]

To be fair in our games the GM normally lets us run what's fun

[brittle slate]

we dont see enough rattlings... just saying

[worn pagoda]

The Arbites I'm running can have a head AC higher than any space marine armor rating.

[deft sedge]

lol. wild

you kind of need it though

with how squishy the PC is in almost any Warhammer rpg

those wound tables are crazy

[worn pagoda]

Unless you blow too much XP on sound con

[deft sedge]

no minmaxing when I DM 😠

[worn pagoda]

I severely underestimated metal storm shells.

Ah yes. Bigerer frags. But really, they're just meaner bolter shells.

The fun of that game was running a Chastener and being a ganger's parole officer. A mighty funny excuse for being with the party.

[deft sedge]

I played a servitor one time that was the tool of the Inquisitor in that RPG

[worn pagoda]

LOL!

[deft sedge]

basically they would give me a keyword series like

GO TO the MANUFACTORUM FLOOR and ENGAGE HOSTILES

[dusk patrol]

Thats the best kind of GM

[deft sedge]

I was able to change 1 keyword each time to represent the unique archaeotech

[worn pagoda]

Only War is also pretty fun. Surprisingly, being the meatgrinder of war is awesome.

[dusk patrol]

Any GM whose a slave to the rulebook I've never enjoyed playing with.

[deft sedge]

hijinks were had it was great

Only War is very fun

I like Deathwatch too

[worn pagoda]

I tend towards favoring psykers in these games. Even if the Commissar lingers over your shoulder any time you pull Warp Lock.

[deft sedge]

Black Crusade I hear is also very fun

but dependent on DM

you don't want the "Edgy DM"

[worn pagoda]

I'm very lucky with my gaming goup.

[brittle slate]

a GM had one of us secretly be an eversor but rolled randomly to who it was near the end

everything about the player was a programmed personality

[deft sedge]

mine's alright but there isn't enough variety because we're all Orthodox Jews

similar philosophies and lifestyles

[worn pagoda]

My GM will hit us up like "Alright fuck it. Steve wants to play a space marine. 12k experience each. You are getting ONE (1) Mentor Marine that's going to babysit you through the battlefield"

[dusk patrol]

Deathwatch's only issue is it can get really boring if the DM isn't good, it needs some interesting setups.

[deft sedge]

this is cool

IMO

[dusk patrol]

RT and DH and all that tend to make the story and RP easier to do

As opposed to everyone being a marine

But when DW is good its great

[worn pagoda]

12k experience is enough to get a psyker to an easy 9 PR, and some fun abilities. If you don't mind not having skills.

What PR would you say is equivalent to a primaris psyker?

[deft sedge]

uhhh

[dusk patrol]

Got no clue

[deft sedge]

you mean the rank of psyker yeah

not a primaris marine who is a psyker

[dusk patrol]

Most of the groups I've played with try to avoid psykers lol

[worn pagoda]

No I mean a Primaris psyker.

[dusk patrol]

Just cause FFG made them so broken

[deft sedge]

maybe like a 10-15

[worn pagoda]

Like the little girl that brainwashed a hive world.

[deft sedge]

somewhere there?

[worn pagoda]

There's art somewhere of a primaris psyker stopping an orbital bombardment with their brain.

[dusk patrol]

There’s a new book which just came out

It goes into how Primaris are trained and found

And how absurd they can be

[deft sedge]

I mostly play WFRP

where the pr thing is different

[dusk patrol]

And how rare they are because they tend to get snapped up by the Inquisition

Or some other faction

[storm jungle]

Fanart most likely. Don't remember any offical art like that.

[worn pagoda]

Definitely fanart

I know the concept is official, and there's some about.

There's a lot of weird psykers though. Again, like the Ogryn.

[celest dome]

The Ogryn Psyker is (For the natural one) extremely rare and due to the Cicatrix malledoctorum or whatever it's called

[earnest snow]

b-but-but they're...alpha sigma epsilon keter level pysker!

[celest dome]

Alpha plus don't really have an upper limit

[earnest snow]

It does when you make them into scps

[celest dome]

Like the Malcador, the Emp, Magnus are in the same category as any Alpha + cause there no reason to make other categories

Because they are rare

[worn pagoda]

We had some great banter for a minute. One of my psykers looked his commissar in the eye and said "You are only the second most terrifying woman I've met."

[celest dome]

Or explode

[desert solstice]

is "killshot" a unit type?

[deft sedge]

no sir

[desert solstice]

what is a "killshot" then?

just another title for sniper? or just random jargon

[hollow sigil]

no its a killshot

it means you have killed something

with a shot

[crisp heath]

So would a killrock apply the same logic?

[hollow sigil]

I guess?

sounds suspiciously orky

[crisp heath]

Um, fo tha god emprah?

[deft sedge]

when a shot kills someone, it is a killshot

a “shot” is something that comes out of a gun very fast

“killing” is causing the abrupt end of something’s life

[crisp heath]

So if I threw a baseball with enough force it would be called a killbaseball?

[deft sedge]

well, no, it's not called a killbullet