40k-lore-chat

[noble hinge]

i would honestly do the same...

[spark relic]

Szarekh left to find a cure to their metal bodies, at least that's why people think he did it

[lucid iron]

he travelled outside of the Milky Way for Millions(Billions?) of years

[spark relic]

65 million years

[lucid iron]

while the rest of the Necrons went to sleep, because the Eldar at the time would destroy them if they didn't

so the plan was to wake up when the Eldar were gone

[spark relic]

During that time the Eldar ruled the galaxy and the orks devolved

[lucid iron]

and reconquer the Galaxy

[spark relic]

yeah

[lucid iron]

Necron lore fucking slap

slaps*

[noble hinge]

but wait a sec

this biotransference, did it start before the War in Heaven or after?

cuz if its before makes no sense nobody to notice mindless robot droids

and to continue with the transfer

[lucid iron]

it was during the War in Heaven

since the War includes the Necrontyr's destruction of the Old Ones, betrayal by the C'tan, and subsequent vengeance upon them

[full bane]

During, and it's worth noting that the nobles and people with say weren't made mindless.

I believe everyone did keep some semblance of individuality at first, though it bled away over time. And by the time people realised they had been enslaved by capricious gods it was too late

[noble hinge]

ahh ok

[noble hinge]

yeah make sense like that

[stray bluff]

So Man is pretty much the villian right

I mean the Imperium is pretty shit right

[full bane]

Everyone is a villian.

There are no heroes. Not at the factional scale anyway.

[wooden ibex]

The empire of man is probably the evilest non monster faction xD

[deft sedge]

lol, not chaos?

chaos is more evil by DM fiat

[wooden ibex]

I said non monster

[deft sedge]

seems arbitrary lol

[full bane]

You might have the valiant Necron Overlord, abiding by the old rules of war and providing for his conquered serfs. The calm and compassionate Eldar singer, the Commissar that uplifts the spirits of his men and leads from the front.
There are heroes in 40k, but the institutions are all evil.

[deft sedge]

yeah it’s pretty shit

[full bane]

Every last one of them.

[full bane]

Chaos isn't really a monster, it's the darkness within sentient life.

Chaos is the worst kind of evil because the galaxy is full of evil... Or perhaps its the other way around.
The lines are blurred.

[wooden ibex]

The empire does create a problem hence Gamesworkshop currently add more factions including a other human ones

[deft sedge]

living in the imperium is probably better than living in modern day slavery but that’s about it

[full bane]

Depends on what planet you live in.

[deft sedge]

iT dEpEnDs

[full bane]

It really does though.

[deft sedge]

yeah no shit lol

[wooden ibex]

Nah, it even comes from games workshop. The empire of man is a satire. They are a hyper fascist fanatic racist, they are a cautionary tale of a extreme version of humans worst qualities.

[deft sedge]

chaos is canonically more evil because it’s basically 80s satanic panic devil worshipping

and gw was created in the 80s by cokeheads

who wanted to parody Thatcherism

it’s official gw policy to only portray chaos as absolute evil so they don’t get accused of corrupting the youth

[full bane]

As an institution they are yes. But the stories in the settings are about small groups and individuals. It's a massive setting and there are worlds that are relatively humane and have decent quality of life.
But you won't see stories about those kinds of worlds up until a Slaaneshi pleasure cult pops up on them.

And the point of view will likely be some shit-stained hiver who sees how differently the Imperium treats people and is embittered by it.

Because that's part of the themes that make up 40k

[wooden ibex]

Btw from what I heard the new human faction will be hyper capitalist...fun.

[deft sedge]

you talkin about votann?

[wooden ibex]

Yes

[deft sedge]

they out

and not humans

space dwarfs

7/10 models imo but stupid tabletop rules

i believe they just caught a big nerf

tyranid warrior spam and light harlequin still king

[wooden ibex]

I know they wanted to release a human faction so the empire isn't solely the human representative.

[full bane]

The Leagues aren't human. They're abhuman at best, Xenos at worst given the huge amount of differences between them and humanity.

You're looking at space dwarves who are born from AI-operated clone vats.

[deft sedge]

they’re not. chaos is mostly a human faction as well

GW doesn’t release factions under that motivation either. Most of the playerbase plays some kind of space marine

[full bane]

They don't consider themselves human either, as sauce said, the Traitor forces consider themselves inheritors of humanity more than the Leagues do.

[deft sedge]

something like 60-75% of sales are just marines

last time they released Tau because of Weeb Fever

dont get their motivation for squats really

[wooden ibex]

Elder have more "Weeb" than Tau really

[deft sedge]

they cant be selling super well. they tried to space marine-ize them

[wooden ibex]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2021/11/19/the-imperium-is-driven-by-hate-warhammer-is-not/

But here have some statements

[deft sedge]

lmao bro I have read those

they were released because someone wore a swastika to a warhammer tourney

instead of booting him to death as he deserved for being a nazi piece of shit, they released a milquetoast public statement

[deft sedge]

eldar are just fantasy high elves they put fancy suits on

got the same gods and everything

same stupid cone heads

[wooden ibex]

Of course they are the "space elven" but really they have more Japanese imagery than the tau.

But say did you even read there lore?

[deft sedge]

yes? lol

i’ve been playing with these plastic army men since 1992

[full bane]

Probably to fill up that burning need for Squats that the playerbase seems to have.

No more squatting memes.

[modest finch]

Some pieces of lore are simply better

[full bane]

Only space dwarves.

[deft sedge]

then why not bring zoats back gw

honestly I think GW is just full of nutters

maybe entirely nutters

[full bane]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/03/33492ddc.jpg

[deft sedge]

comes from living near Birmingham, and no sun

[deft sedge]

I mean as a faction OBVIOUSLY

where is my zoat heavy tank

[full bane]

No argument there about them being nuts.

[deft sedge]

good stock price though

pretty reliable in dips and growth

[deft sedge]

HH was best when it was 1 paragraph in the marines codex

[full bane]

Plus the big hike if you bought pre-2017

[deft sedge]

I did

[full bane]

Nice

[deft sedge]

im the GW majority shareholder

James Workshop himself

no but seriously it’s a good stock. people also make good cash shorting them around the christmas season

[timid ferry]

Hmmmm

[celest dome]

But the Zoat never were a faction, they only were part of the Wood Elves and Tyr in Old lore

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/yeah-yep-ya-gif-24008978

[celest dome]

I have no idea what that is supposed to mean

[deft sedge]

it means “no shit, I know, it was a joke”

[zinc rain]

hey quick lore noob question, been watching videos lately (lutein) and in one of them he mentioned the eagle that the imperium uses is as the left eye closed and right eye open, but in game the eagle is reversed with its eye open on the left and closed on the right

is that a lore thing or did the artist do an oopsie

[deft sedge]

probably describing it from different facings

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/3/3f/IoMhighres.png/revision/latest?cb=20190630130844

in the image the right eye is closed, but it’s the eagle’s left eye

one eye open towards the past and one eye closed towards the future is the usual rationale

[zinc rain]

interesting, ill see if i can find the part of the video

[storm jungle]

It might also be a case where uh

the prop designers used the flip/inverted feature and the aquila on it looks that way because of it lmao

[deft sedge]

is the one in game according to that pic?

I don't remember

sounds more like a "who's right? my right or your right?" issue to me

looks fine to me tbh

[zinc rain]

in game at the psykhanium (spelling?) theres eagles on the pillars

thats where i noticed it

it has eye open on the left, right is closed

[deft sedge]

if it's like the image above then yeah that's the right one

[zinc rain]

https://youtu.be/KyPjE1Sn-Ts?t=340

at this time, this is why i got confused

but when i google "40k imperial eagle" then its the opposite as described in this video

[crisp heath]

what is nosh

[signal bramble]

Slang term for food./eating.

[brittle slate]

Psh. Tau.

[lucid iron]

In 40k, the bar for being a heroic civilization is you more or less want to leave the other ones alone

so Craftworld Eldar

that's about it

[brittle slate]

Does he explain what it means though?

[lucid iron]

Or wait, not Craftworld, the ones who ride dinosaurs lol

[brittle slate]

One eye to the past the other to the future? One head for mars the other for Terra?

[zinc rain]

yes i posted it

the video above at the right time

he could just be wrong completely

[brittle slate]

The wings for the military and the administration

[barren tapir]

Exodites

[lucid iron]

them's the ones

[brittle slate]

The tau founding ideology is that everyone should be under the umbrella of having a better future

[lucid iron]

buuut

[brittle slate]

Naive… to say the least

[lucid iron]

they are in a caste system

[brittle slate]

Sure? Why would that matter?

[lucid iron]

and they have no inhibitions about eventually conquering anyone who doesn't agree with their idea of a 'Greater Good', which is essentially a galaxy ruled by the Ethereal class

they are basically the Empire before conquering the Galaxy

[celest dome]

The Tau are under a guided system of castes, ifyou're born in a lower caste nothing you do or say will take you in a higher class

Basically a Brand New World

From Huxley

[deft sedge]

eating

jewish slang specifically britishers

[brittle slate]

The majority of other races aren’t conquered. Even most of their gains have been done diplomatically. The numbers used to be 2/3’s of the 3rd sphere (roughly 100 systems) were taken without a shot fired

[brittle slate]

And alien worlds aren’t ruled by the tau

Think of them like NATO (which is what they’re based on)

[lucid iron]

majority does not mean they're basically not just a less bloodthirsty Imperial Crusade

[brittle slate]

You’re economically incentivized to trade. The grimdark comes after when you give up your old culture for a “globalized” one. Like what happened to the Vespid

[brittle slate]

An imperial crusade exterminates none humans

[deft sedge]

it's just an orientation thing

[brittle slate]

Actually, these days, even humans

[lucid iron]

and I don't see how them conquering worlds into their empire means they're not ruling them

[deft sedge]

he's talking about it as if he was facing the same way as the eagle

when we are talking about it as facing the agle

[brittle slate]

There is no “lower” caste though

[lucid iron]

or diplomatically asserting them into it, regardless, they are part of the Tau Empire at that point, meaning they are ruled by the Ethereals

everything that isnt an ethereal is the tau lower caste

[brittle slate]

Not in the lore. Barring Kelly of course. But no one considers his work compatible with the rest of Tau lore

Even in the 9th Ed codex the ethereals are described as parental

I’m not saying the tau aren’t grimdark. I’m saying most people, thanks to YouTubers. Have it wrong

(Reeeeeally wrong)

[lucid iron]

Isn't there a guy in the Fire Caste who didn't want to listen to the Ethereals and is now his own entire faction of Tau?

Sooo

Until there is a Tau leader who isn't an Ethereal in their main Empire, it seems that you in fact my friend, have it reallllllly wrong

[brittle slate]

Farsight. No, he left the commonwealth (internally the tau call it a commonwealth not an empire) because he was emotionally and psychologically traumatized over and over again and he saw his chance to try and get revenge

[lucid iron]

emotionally and psychologically tramautized because he was never listened to by his Ethereal superiors?

[brittle slate]

Later he became extremely bitter toward basically everyone in the command structure for not “getting” what you need to survive in the larger galaxy

He’s effectively shielding the commonwealth with his enclaves (and as of the last timeline: losing)

[barren tapir]

Not true

[brittle slate]

No because aun’shi pulled him off the frontlines at a planet called Arkunasha after he lost half his cadre attacking a gargant

The ethereals of Vior’la basically removed him from command because he was going overboard

[barren tapir]

You are one to get it really wrong too

[brittle slate]

Which denied him “final victory”

[lucid iron]

So, is that not my point here?

[brittle slate]

Let’s go then.

[deft sedge]

ah yes the "heroic" civilization that routinely drives Black Crusades, horrible gravitic anomalies, and straight up Ork Waaghs into populated worlds in order to get .50% more speed efficiency for the craftworld

very heroic

[brittle slate]

“He was never listened” is an odd way of saying it. He was in the Arkunasha campaign for a few years

[lucid iron]

read the next line bruh, i was mistakenly talking about the dino elves

[deft sedge]

unfortunately I can't read

[lucid iron]

dam bru

[deft sedge]

never learned

[lucid iron]

[brittle slate]

A person of few words. But lacking substance.

[brittle slate]

Shadowsun…

Puretide…

Anghor Prok

Gue’vesa’O Va’deem

[lucid iron]

Lol bruh, all caste members below Ethereals

try again

plz

[deft sedge]

ugh are we discussing Tau again

[lucid iron]

You won't find them, because they're not there

[deft sedge]

the boringest subject of all

[barren tapir]

No amount of words would make you change idea about how they are not heroic nor exactly like the other factions, you are not the first tau lover i meet, you will not be the last... What everyone have in common is the incapability to see things behind the curtain

[deft sedge]

god do I hate tau

their stupid hooves

stupid blue skin

stupid face gashes

[barren tapir]

And few fingers

[lucid iron]

they really are the worst race

that wh40k animation was awful

[deft sedge]

to be fair name a good one that isn't astartes

[lucid iron]

blood angels was cool af, hammer and bolter is not bad

interrogator is retarded

[deft sedge]

ehhh hard pass on blood angels the framerate gave me eye cancer and now I have to go to the NHS eight times per week

at least until the Tories gut it

[shadow plover]

interrogator was great

[brittle slate]

What you want more shoulder pad arguments

[barren tapir]

Totally committed to their ideal of the Greater Good, or T'au'va, the T’au are a young, technologically sophisticated and ambitious race determined to share their creed with the rest of the galaxy. Such an ideology has led them to establish contact with numerous species. Those that do not join them are destroyed, and the T’au’s Fire Warriors have gained much experience cleansing new colony worlds of their inhabitants.

[brittle slate]

Who’s primarch is better?

Lol

[deft sedge]

it's "whose"

the possessive

[brittle slate]

I’m not correcting the auto correct because

[lucid iron]

interrogator no xenos, no chaos, no purging

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/stupidme-whyi-why-you-hurt-gif-26181664

[shadow plover]

it doesn't need those to be great

[deft sedge]

jokes on you your derision is a mark of honour

[barren tapir]

Occasionally a species will prove belligerent enough to resist the generous offers of the Tau. In such cases, the Fire caste, launches a series of rapid strikes against the command and communication infrastructure of the troublesome race, which is normally enough to drag them back to the negotiation table and help them see the light. Sadly, there are occasions when even this inducement is not enough and against such threats to the Greater Good there can be no answer but complete destruction.

[brittle slate]

… and yet he persisted.

[barren tapir]

??

[lucid iron]

tbh i liked it, but was letdown by the ending, I was hoping it would lead to a bigger climax

[brittle slate]

Describe “below”. Like take a moment- and describe how you think the government process works.

[deft sedge]

you can never win with Tau fanboys. they idealize a future where the proletariat have seized control of the means of production

[lucid iron]

Describe how you think a Monarchy works is more accurate

[brittle slate]

“You won’t be the first… you won’t be the last” you sound like the final boss in an anime.

[brittle slate]

Exactly.. because that’s not how it works

[barren tapir]

????

[lucid iron]

We have kings, lords, counts, dukes, barons

[deft sedge]

he called you an anime villain bro

you must now uninstall discord

[lucid iron]

we have ethereals, fire, water etc.

[deft sedge]

them's the rules

[barren tapir]

Well, now that hurt

[deft sedge]

on the other hand he's a tau fan

do you really want to be hurt by such people

[barren tapir]

Nah, they are crap in melee anyway, but them words... Them words hurt... But luckly the machine endure!

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/commander-farsight-warhammer40k-tau-empire-tau-gif-16294167

I raise you one dawnblade

[deft sedge]

all I see is Neon Genesis Evangelion but less cool

if that were possible

[lucid iron]

moments before obliteration by an Imperial Guard regiment volley fire of lasguns

dam Tau, u weak af

[brittle slate]

I can actually engage with this if you actually want to… but I’m guessing you don’t

[deft sedge]

bro you are missing an opportunity for engagement @barren tapir

you gotta hop on this

I for one am engaged

[brittle slate]

Yeah, having broken two imperial crusades in the last 300 years while running rings around space marines.

[lucid iron]

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/hooray-letsgo-lets-go-gif-18410791

[barren tapir]

Uhm... Nah, i think i will pass, not enough time nor will to get engaged

[lucid iron]

an imperial crusade is only as good as its leader

[deft sedge]

but think of the engagement

[brittle slate]

Then…

https://tenor.com/view/toonztomoon-toonz-moon-gif-25748201

[lucid iron]

we had brilliant minds invading the eye of terror afterall

[barren tapir]

Nah, as i said, not time to do so nor will to keep up with another tau fan today, maybe in the future

[brittle slate]

That’s fair

[brittle slate]

Defeated.

https://tenor.com/view/finish-him-fatality-gif-15173221

[deft sedge]

you know the best thing about Alexander the Great is he named a bunch of cities after himself, his horse, that persian girl, but none after any of his soldiers that he banged unmercifully

no equal opportunity naming going on

sad really

[barren tapir]

Ah, how easy are you to claim victory... Naive like the tau i see, keep going mate... Keep going...

Oh, and wait, have something to end all this...

The patient hunter will get its prey

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/john-jonah-jameson-lol-laughing-hysterically-laughing-out-loud-funny-gif-17710543

BROADSIDE BATTLESOOT

"Our armour is too light, we must retreat!"

^ canonical Tau quote

[mossy mortar]

Most of these yotubers don't know what they're talking about

[past hedge]

As a Tau fan, I roll with the punches

Tau isn't perfect or well written but I'll still keep 'em in my heart

They're silly and goofy

[mossy mortar]

No they're aggressive expansionists constrained by their extremely slow FTL travel

[past hedge]

^

[barren tapir]

Nothing wrong in liking them, i nearly chose them when first starting as main faction

[past hedge]

The irony is what gets me about the Tau. A bunch of monks who think they have a grasp, but they've yet to uncover the full truth.

[barren tapir]

But to claim they are the heroes or a full good factions is simply wrong

[past hedge]

Absolutely not heroes

[barren tapir]

They have already done enough genocides, they are just good at hiding them

[deft sedge]

any people who have "re-education concentration camps" ain't good people

[past hedge]

Enclaves don't make the Tau better imo. It's neat in that there's already a divide between the normal empire and the enclaves but at the end of the day they're both expansionists

It's just that Farsight will be even more aggressive due to his ties with the Fire caste

At least in my little headcanon

[mossy mortar]

The problem with Tau is their writers

[past hedge]

EXACTLY

[mossy mortar]

Maybe half get it and the othe rhalf don't

[past hedge]

FUCKIN PHIL KELLY

I WILL PUNT HIM

[barren tapir]

Like when they fought a minor slaneeshi cult and thought they had defeat slaneesh... Or a lot of other events when they simply didn't understand they are just small fries and thought they were actually a major player

[mossy mortar]

The msin principle of 40k storylines is even the winners lose

[past hedge]

My favorite part is when the Tau adapt in some way after their mistake

[mossy mortar]

Every victory causes irreplaceable harm

[deft sedge]

he is a filthy rudeboy tabletop player though tbf

[past hedge]

For example: The Stormsurge with its smexy stiletto heels was designed to be a Titan eradication

[deft sedge]

carries big trophies

i believe he plays ossiarchs

[past hedge]

Or just the Ta'unar suit

[past hedge]

My friend in my warhammer group wants to play the Ossiarchs one day

Deadass is obsessed with Nagash

[mossy mortar]

So the Tau are supposed to lose their innocence snd hope - what makes their faction different and not stagnant grimdark - every time they win. But a lot of writers can't handle it

because they essentially never lose

[past hedge]

Yeah... with Tau it's a lot of stalemates

[deft sedge]

dude I don’t think you can say that anymore with the hard -SH

it’s 2022

[mossy mortar]

They're not allowed to lose for some reason and it gets annoying

[past hedge]

Tau should lose one of their sept planets

Absolutely eradicate one of the main septs and replace it with a new one

You know what?

Get rid of Vior'la

I'm tired of red and white

[barren tapir]

Tau are nothing more than a upstart civ, like a new player in stellaris, yes, you want to be friend with everyone and maybe not expanding much, then you have your allies betray you and take your lands, and then exterminate you... The next game in stellaris you are not gonna make the same mistake, and you will be expanding relentless...

[barren tapir]

Because if they lose they get eradicated, and that would mean no more mini to sell

[past hedge]

I want Tau auxiliaries. Its all I want

[barren tapir]

Let them expand with defeat protection until they are big enough to trade territory with other factions and then you will see them lose and win

[brittle slate]

They’re all over the galaxy last I checked. But that doesn’t mean they don’t work with the locals

[mossy mortar]

The dramatic irony in the Tau is they think they're in a sci-fi universe when really they're in grimdark satire fantasy universe

[deft sedge]

honestly the books have next to no impact on the mini sales

[brittle slate]

Kinda the whole point

[mossy mortar]

No Tau are confined to a tiny backwater corner of the universe

[past hedge]

Tau aren't over the Galaxy...

Yeah

[brittle slate]

How though?

And hey, thanks for staying

[brittle slate]

Let’s see

[deft sedge]

people gonna buy the Tau minis for as long as there are Weebs regardless of what gets published

[past hedge]

They're in the eastern part of the galaxy which is ironic since they're based off Asian cultures

[brittle slate]

They’re in segmentum tempestus

Near Baal

They’re at Nachmund

In the core as of the LoV codex

[past hedge]

I ironically like fielding infantry more than battlesuits

[mossy mortar]

Tau can be used well but it's just very dependent on the writer

[barren tapir]

Tau have made a stable wormhole, that brought them in another place of the galaxy, they are not spread over it

[deft sedge]

the infantry are also weebish

[mossy mortar]

They're supposed to be a foil for the other factions

[brittle slate]

They clearly have an influence on necromunda but it has been flat out said yet

[brittle slate]

Breachers. Checkmate.

[past hedge]

TRUE! They're like mini gundams

[brittle slate]

Pulse shot gun.

[deft sedge]

checkmate what? lmao did you read how to argue in a book somewhere?

breachers suck ass

[past hedge]

That doesn't make sense lol.

Breachers are suicide units

[brittle slate]

art of the deal, duh

[brittle slate]

Not mine

And I’ve played fof for the last 20 years

I’m also not a fan of mecha.

Except stealth suits

[crisp heath]

so, ive always enjoyed 40k games but never got into the lore bc theres so much of it and its so intimidating
can anyone give me some pointers on the best way to dive in?
any form of media is fine i can consume literally anything

[barren tapir]

Because they aren't, they killed and conquered, and even made sure that they were hailed as saviour in some cases, they are subtle in their overthrowing of others... And are extremely expansionist since their core concept is to expand the greater good to everyone, others willing or not

[brittle slate]

As stated

[deft sedge]

pick up an 8e codex from your favoured faction and enjoy

[signal bramble]

There are tons of lore YouTubers and I suggest listening to them like you would a podcast.

[past hedge]

I personally got through it with reading the wiki and that my attention span is "ooo this sounds neat."

Or you know, go with what everyone does and watch a video

[barren tapir]

That is absolutely wrong... I know well necromunda lore

[deft sedge]

I personally suggest avoiding youTube like the plague

[past hedge]

The thing is that videos are streamlined rather than the big cheese stuff

[crisp heath]

i see

[past hedge]

So if you wanna really get into it

You want pure facts

[signal bramble]

My favorites are Weshammer and Luetin are my favorites and yeah the 40k wiki and Lexicanum. Some of the wiki info is outdated but most of it is accurate enough.

[brittle slate]

The greater good: is the founding religio-philosophical principle of present Tau society which holds that all sentient beings should strive to ensure the greatest good for the greatest number of beings in the galaxy.

[past hedge]

Go to Lexicanum and the normal warhammer wiki and CONSUME

[deft sedge]

youTube WH40K has got
a) people who are wrong about shit
b) weirdo political assholes
c) terrible voiceover work

[crisp heath]

i think to start id want something that explains the main players in the story

[brittle slate]

When that’s your founding principle it’s hard to not say they aren’t trying to be good guys.

[barren tapir]

If you like to read then Lexicanum is a good place to start, choose a faction and read everything about them there, then branch out

[crisp heath]

liek i know the story of the horace herecy and the primarchs

[past hedge]

I've found lore videos to be grating over the years

[crisp heath]

but after that ion know shit

[deft sedge]

damn Horace

[brittle slate]

Like- I get that it gets manipulated and a lot of commanders operate in what they deem best- but that’s the keystone

[past hedge]

I really do think I'm the only one who likes reading the wikis wiwnsk

[brittle slate]

As much as the emperor’s was “humanity first”

[deft sedge]

even then the wikis kind of suck tbh

especially the fandom one

[past hedge]

Hey

[crisp heath]

nah i read the entire evangelion + extended EVA media wikis in a night bc i have autism

[past hedge]

Ya get what ya get man

[crisp heath]

lol

[barren tapir]

Greater good is just a name, in truth it just means that everyone should submit to the will of the ethereals

[brittle slate]

Trust reading. GW almost bought lexicanum

[signal bramble]

In the new Shadowsun book, the Tau’Va is revealed to be a goddess. The Tau are religious now.

[earnest snow]

I can't wait for the tau villain arc

[past hedge]

Better than reading a YouTube comment or Reddit post spouting out lore that may or may not exist

[barren tapir]

Those that want to remain independent get destroyed

[deft sedge]

🤷 and sometimes what ya get, is shit

none of the lore matters anyhow

[brittle slate]

Not at the rate people are trashing that book

[crisp heath]

wow the lexicanum looks OLD lol

i love it

[brittle slate]

It’s also the first limited edition that didn’t come close to selling out

[earnest snow]

Lexicanum is king

[signal bramble]

Indeed. But it’s canon so thats how it works. >_>

[past hedge]

True. I like reading it for fun facties. I don't take it to heart and I like putting in my own headcanons. I'm no fool

[brittle slate]

Ggg isn’t even in the codex anymore

[signal bramble]

I think it’s stupid af though, don’t get me wrong. It ruins the Tau.

[deft sedge]

as soon as something is provably going to give GW 1% more on their stock price then lore will change to follow suit

[brittle slate]

My money is that it’ll be slowly shelved

[crisp heath]

honestly i want to just absorb as much information as possible so i can use WH40ks naming schemes, i fucking love the starums and orums etc
so fuckin cool

[deft sedge]

like squats

[brittle slate]

Like most of Kelly’s bullshit

“Squated” of you will

[past hedge]

Kelly is sucky

[deft sedge]

it's mostly just Pig Latin

[past hedge]

Established F A C T

[brittle slate]

And canon is what the fanbase wants

[deft sedge]

Ferrus Manus is the worst offender

[past hedge]

Oh god

[brittle slate]

Ultimately.

[past hedge]

Poor Manus

[deft sedge]

should be Ferrum Manum

but no one cares about Latin

sad

[lucid iron]

The point was not they are trying to be good, it is whether or not they actually are in the moral right to expand either diplomatically or violently to achieve that goal.

[barren tapir]

Tau are not different than the imperium when it come to inglobate new worlds, the main difference is that the imperium use diplomacy only when the world is human, but the end if resistance is met is the same

[storm jungle]

That literally sounds like an 80's erotic movie actor

[signal bramble]

Also when you start 40k lore stuff I usually recommend starting with a faction you like and start looking at connected links little by little.

[brittle slate]

Who try to bring the greatest good to as many people

[mossy mortar]

You're better off learning latin

[deft sedge]

hahah "inglobate"

[storm jungle]

I know its legit latin but damn

[brittle slate]

No latin. Learn Tau’sia

[signal bramble]

The faction that got me in to the game was the imperial knights.

[earnest snow]

Ferrum manum ready to strip for television

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/i-think-you-should-leave-tim-robinson-oh-yeah-gif-22987814

[mossy mortar]

40k is for history nerds but you should study actual history instead of 40k

[past hedge]

I have consumed too much lore for 40k

[brittle slate]

I could have been a doctor.

[deft sedge]

literally accurate

[past hedge]

I have no regrets...

Yet

[crisp heath]

actual history is LAME i want to know about SPACE FACISM

[barren tapir]

Nah, not really

[storm jungle]

I remember 40k lore better than half the shit they taught me about ottomans in turkish history class

[mossy mortar]

Real fascism is cooler

[deft sedge]

honestly if more people knew actual history they'd like 40k lore less

[brittle slate]

Dude. I’m totally willing to have this conversation with you but then we have to actually engage

[lucid iron]

They are the same as the Emperor of Man, in the sense he wanted to save Mankind from what he deemed was the 'incorrect' path. The major difference with them is they are not so xenophobic, but that doesn't mean that they are entirely not either.

[mossy mortar]

Nah you like it more

[storm jungle]

Nah

GW writers be like

[mossy mortar]

Because 40k is history without the baggage or controversy

[earnest snow]

40k lore: you fart wrong and you die from demonic possession.

[past hedge]

Joke relating to fascism I cannot explain and or tell due to fear of being eradicated on the spot by the watchful eye of Hedge

[storm jungle]

"Janissaries? Whats that? lets just slap the title on some random imperial guard regiment"

[brittle slate]

Hey now

[deft sedge]

haha lol

[storm jungle]

Mongols?

They ride uhhh

[barren tapir]

Why should i? You refuse to see what is plain...

[storm jungle]

horses

WHAT ABOUT BIKES

🧠

[earnest snow]

They upgraded to steel horses

[barren tapir]

WWOOOAAAAAAHHHHHH

[deft sedge]

let's name their primarch Jaghatai

[brittle slate]

Ok, so at this point you’re just trolling

[deft sedge]

no one will notice

[mossy mortar]

Imperium already has an institution like the janissaries - the scholam progenium

[storm jungle]

God I fucking hate the writers lmao

[deft sedge]

everyone is missing my great takes on Lionel Johnson and it's embarassing

[earnest snow]

That moment when fenris means wolf

[deft sedge]

would rather talk about which imaginary alien shoots better

SAD

[storm jungle]

Fenris I dont mind

[mossy mortar]

And the vitrian dragoons wear glass armor

[storm jungle]

Leman Russ is actually a great name

and not that on the nose

[crisp heath]

is there any high quality scans of the art people use in WH40k videos? its all incredible but so low quality

[brittle slate]

“I am right and you are wrong by the will of gravity” ~ @barren tapir

[mossy mortar]

Most are stolen from either the sourcebooks or DeviantArt

[brittle slate]

Direct quote. Probably.

[deft sedge]

leman means "lover" and russ means "wolf"

[earnest snow]

Imagine the writer that got fired for thinking of "Leman Ruff" because that's the sounds canines make

[deft sedge]

he loves wolves

pretty accurate

[storm jungle]

GW doesn't provide any, you gotta find em on your own usually or stockpile them like I do lol

[deft sedge]

same with Rogal Dorn

Rogal = imperial

[crisp heath]

boooo

[deft sedge]

Dorn = fist

[crisp heath]

thats cringe

[lucid iron]

"SUBMIT OR BE PURGED" -Either the Imperials right away or the Tau after a few years

[crisp heath]

oh i remember i watched a video about the terminus decree because it sounded really cool

[mossy mortar]

One of the only good horus heresy books was the space wolf one because it tried to reboot at least some of thr wolf wolfington stuff

[past hedge]

Sometimes I wonder where the fuck they got cool pieces of art

Then the guy who made the video just...

Doesn't link art

[brittle slate]

The majority of the beings in the tau commonwealth is likely humans at this point.

[mossy mortar]

Stolen off google image search

[past hedge]

I get it, you're making a lore video

BUT EVEN THEN

[mossy mortar]

Snother reason to not watch those stupid videos

[past hedge]

I CANT SEARCH FOR IT BECAUSE

[brittle slate]

Enhance.

[past hedge]

GOOGLE S T I NK S

[lucid iron]

actually the majority are flying spaghet monsters, source, i made it all up

[past hedge]

AND I DONT EVEN KNOW WHAT IM LOOKING FOR

[brittle slate]

ENHANCE.

[past hedge]

THE ART GOES HARD BUT I DONT EVEN KNOW WHERE IT CAME FROM STILL

[mossy mortar]

But then ai don't understand YouTuber culture in general

[past hedge]

It makes me writhe

[earnest snow]

Can't wait to get back to fenris for a wolf-burger with wolf-fries then drink some wolf-mead. I'll also have my wolf-wolf eating some wolf-food while I watch wolf.tv on my wolftop in my wolf-sized bed.

[deft sedge]

honestly everyone under 30 is just trash and the sooner it's accepted the sooner you will thrive

[mossy mortar]

Why do i want to watch some weird looking weenis with a weird voice drone on for 30 minutes when i can read it in 5

[past hedge]

Thousand sons enjoyer

[brittle slate]

There are no wolves on Fenris.

[past hedge]

I smell one and that's you, Rat boy

[karmic raft]

I’m a thousand sons enjoyer.

What’s so wrong about that huh.

[earnest snow]

Then what the dog doing

[past hedge]

All chaos smells

[brittle slate]

You… did nothing… wrong.

[past hedge]

Thousand sons smell like soap

[karmic raft]

Dust don’t smell.

Stop the cap

[deft sedge]

lel

[mossy mortar]

Im wearing my wolf srmor and have my wolf sxe and im riding in my wolf hoversleigh which is pulled by wolves

[past hedge]

Not a good soap it's like car wash soap

Cleans the car good but the odor is weird

[brittle slate]

That’s the joke. The wolves on Fenris used to be people.

[deft sedge]

egyptians

[past hedge]

Oh don't forget the bullshit about their psykers

[karmic raft]

I’m starting to like my chaos undivided army more tho

[past hedge]

"Guys the trees are whispering to them trust me"

[karmic raft]

Cause I hate rolling psyker shit

[deft sedge]

thousand sons claim to be based on Egypt but none of them are offering to buy my daughter for five camels???

[deft sedge]

have GW ever been to cairo??

[brittle slate]

STOP THAT

[past hedge]

Now this is podracing

[brittle slate]

In this economy?

[earnest snow]

I would love the space wolves if it wasn't for everything being wolf related like it is. Can't believe you can meme on how much they say wolf in their terminology I hate gw frfr

[past hedge]

They're British don't bully them

They only took shiny gold and didn't see everything else

[barren tapir]

Get my ship! We are going to war!

[earnest snow]

I wanna die

[brittle slate]

They’re english fucking pants them.

[deft sedge]

if you have 5 bucks you can go to Cairo

coming back on the other hand

less sure deal

[brittle slate]

Lol

[deft sedge]

egypt sucks ass though for real, I've been twice under my other passport that doesn't indicate I'm a Jew

[past hedge]

The Wolf Priest gazing at a summoned daemon after chanting odd runes carved in a Redwood tree

[barren tapir]

By the All Father!

[past hedge]

"By LEMAN'S PUBES THE HELL ARE YOU?"

[brittle slate]

Well. I’ve got to go on a plane now and pray to the engine gods we don’t fall out of the sky.

But I think it’s clear: tau are good guys. They make the universe better by being the idiots who are trying to get everyone to recycle as sea levels rise and the forests burn and think that will save everyone.

[past hedge]

Tau are morally ambiguous due to the many weird ass writers who can't get a grip BECAUSE GW DONT KNOW WHAT THEY WANT

[karmic raft]

Imagine wanting for greater good. Just play chaos and say fuck it.

[brittle slate]

It’s just the one

[karmic raft]

Or tyranids

Tyranids are also based.

[deft sedge]

tau fire warrior literally standing on a pile of genocided human skulls

good guys

[past hedge]

It's either he found a cool pile or really did place all of them there for a photoshoor

[brittle slate]

… tau infantry: based

[barren tapir]

Everyone is a good guy in their own eyes... Even the moebian we fight in DT

[past hedge]

Otherwise I love it

[past hedge]

Good take bestie

For the Tau'va!

[brittle slate]

Ko’vash Tau’va

[past hedge]

I don't know what ko vash means

Probably means something positive I am not fluent in Tau-

[deft sedge]

pretty dumb that these aliens named themselves after a Greek letter

what's next, the Phi?

[barren tapir]

Phil Kelly already taken i think

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/deez-ha-got-heem-got-em-got-him-gif-4824899

[past hedge]

GAHHHH

[past hedge]

I kinda thought it was based off of Tao

Like the philosophy

[deft sedge]

gross

whats next the I Ching Aliens

[past hedge]

I mean they're pretty Chinese and Japanese

Also makes me think of Mercenary Tao from dragon ball

Love that guy

https://tenor.com/view/tao-mercenary-tao-dragon-ball-assassin-of-goku-gif-13723876

[deft sedge]

yeah and it's equally cringe IMO when applied to space marines

[past hedge]

Wh---

Please bro I get the point

But like IT NEEDS MORE PIXELS

[deft sedge]

so google a better image lol I cannae be bothered

[past hedge]

I can say it's an odd concept

[deft sedge]

they're the "shadows of the emperor"

go wild

[past hedge]

But power to them if they can kitbash and painted

What I don't like is hypothetical space marines being turned into tau auxiliaries

Irks me the wrong way

Like I get it you don't like tau

[brittle slate]

To strive for

[mossy mortar]

That's just the dumbest ifea

[past hedge]

So you HAVE to shoehorn in space marines just so you can say "HAHA THEY HAVE MELEE NOOW"

[mossy mortar]

Idea

[brittle slate]

Yeah. Tau space marines make no sense

[deft sedge]

it's trash

[past hedge]

YEAH THIS SHIT

AUGHHHH

[brittle slate]

Ew.

[past hedge]

BRO THE POWER FANTASY IS SO YUCKKYYYY

[brittle slate]

It devalues the whole point of space marines

[past hedge]

And it devalues Tau too!

[brittle slate]

Yeah.

[mossy mortar]

It's just silly

[earnest snow]

Stick that in a beast of nurgle and let it rot

[brittle slate]

I hate it as much as the guilliman yvrain memes

[past hedge]

You are hammering two opposing ideologies and it doesn't make sense or work!

[brittle slate]

Tau don’t even consider space marines sentient

They’re on the same level as tyranids

[past hedge]

Never knew that part

But you know what?

Yeah

[brittle slate]

Makes sense RIGHT?!?!

[earnest snow]

It's call warhammer guys so if the writers hammer it surely it fits the universe

[past hedge]

"Shas'ui... the giants are back"

"The screaming ones? Mindless?"

[brittle slate]

Taurus*

[mossy mortar]

samurai marines were alway sin lore tho

[brittle slate]

Lol

[deft sedge]

😵‍💫

[past hedge]

"Yes, Shas'ui..."

"Notify the Ork-roided Kroot. They hunger for battle."

[brittle slate]

You know the water caste consider the orks their greatest failure?

[past hedge]

Oh trust me

[deft sedge]

uh what

[past hedge]

I am so understanding of Tau and Orks not mixing

[brittle slate]

Yeah.

[earnest snow]

Death to space marine tau

[past hedge]

Tau are outright racist

[deft sedge]

no, like, what's your point

[mossy mortar]

yeah why can't the tau let the orks

in

[deft sedge]

is your point that they named themselves after the astrological sign Taurus rather than the letter Tau

[earnest snow]

Orks just want water

[mossy mortar]

tau just don't like orks because they eat meat

while tau are vegans

[past hedge]

LMFAO

[brittle slate]

They aren’t named after the Greek letter. They’re named after Taurus as in they’re bovid/bulls/cows

[past hedge]

Wh

THE CHINESE

PHILOSOPHY

T A O

[mossy mortar]

but tau aren't chiense

[brittle slate]

Um… orks are vegan when you eat them

[mossy mortar]

they're like the opposite of chinese

[past hedge]

Asian inspirations

[brittle slate]

Totally. But they’re called tau because they’re bovid

[earnest snow]

Tau are japanese

[brittle slate]

Happy double meaning

[brittle slate]

They were initially supposed to be mercenary lizard men

[deft sedge]

lmao what!!

that's so stupid bro

[past hedge]

Anyways as I was about to say...

[deft sedge]

that's the stupidest thing you've said today

the pronunciation is different

[past hedge]

Kroot are cool

[brittle slate]

Kroot are cool

[earnest snow]

Kroot reproduce by rubbing shoulders if I remember correctly

[brittle slate]

That… might be the stupidest thing you’ve said today.

[brittle slate]

Sweat… yeah… pretty dank

[past hedge]

Yes lol

[deft sedge]

lmao bro you're trolling

c'mon

can you vote?

[brittle slate]

What?

[deft sedge]

I hope not

[earnest snow]

Kroot just be different

[brittle slate]

What are you talking about

[past hedge]

LMAO Jesus Sauce give 'em some slack

Or not

I can't control you

[deft sedge]

no, lol

[brittle slate]

Don’t hold him back, he’s treading stupid

https://tenor.com/view/godzilla-let-them-fight-fight-ken-watanabe-watanabe-gif-5687182

[earnest snow]

Kroot are the only viable tau species

[brittle slate]

???

[deft sedge]

my guy if you venmo me 50 bucks I will tell you how dumb you are
that's my going rate

[brittle slate]

Have you not seen Nicassar?!?

[earnest snow]

K r o o t

[past hedge]

If only GW made cool alien sculpts rather than mechs...

[deft sedge]

100% agreed

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/what-why-huh-steve-harvey-confused-gif-17449734

[deft sedge]

and not even kroot are worth it

[brittle slate]

You sound like an old man trying to make love to a cinder block

(Furiously)

[deft sedge]

and you sound like someone who got all their talking points out of a book entitled "how to talk for idiots"

goodbye

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-no-oh-no-anyway-gif-18887547

Kroot are awesome.

[past hedge]

Yessir

[brittle slate]

But Nicassar are insanely cool

[deft sedge]

fuckin guy can't even read Greek haha

[mossy mortar]

who

what did you just call me

[brittle slate]

The Nicassar were the first race that the tau met

[past hedge]

... Wait it's a psychic auxiliary

Never mind I don't like them

[brittle slate]

They’re giant psychic bears

That move their ships with telekineses

[brittle slate]

Awww

Get this

[past hedge]

Like I know I'm the psyker queen

Ironic

But like

New Kelly book ruined things

So please no psychic with tau

[brittle slate]

Just stop taking him seriously

[past hedge]

I KNOW

[brittle slate]

Like, he was moved back to AoS because everyone hates his stuff

[past hedge]

BUT ITS HARD GRRHHHBHH

[brittle slate]

Shadowsun was his last Tau story

[earnest snow]

If only the tau were an actual conglomerate of aliens instead of just a few with some mechs and weird ethereals tickling their minds.

Give us space rabbits with rabies already gw

[brittle slate]

Just ignore him the way marine players ignore ward

[past hedge]

RAHHHH

I want apes for Tau

Four armed apes

[brittle slate]

The Deathwatch consider Nicassar an apex threat

[past hedge]

Chimpanzees

They're like Brutes from Halo

But with more shotguns

[brittle slate]

Because they can make them remember things like their mother’s faces

[past hedge]

Honestly based

[brittle slate]

It’s like pure empathy. It cripples space marines with emotions

[past hedge]

BAAASED

[brittle slate]

Right?!?!?

[past hedge]

But hm

I don't know

I need a melee unit other than Kroot

[brittle slate]

They also have beaks- so basically they’re owl bears

[past hedge]

Shit, make it like elites vs brutes

[brittle slate]

Look

The melee thing is just game board mechanics at this point

Aun’shi learned to fight from fire warriors

Tau have martial arts

[past hedge]

... what

Ethereal's know martial arts LMAO

they didn't learn that shit from fire warriors

[brittle slate]

They use vibro blades. They’re just a modern military

[mossy mortar]

i honestly cant't ell when people are stupid or pretending to be stupid here

[brittle slate]

They don’t advocate charging machine guns with chainsaws

[past hedge]

My brother in Christ they made the caste system

[brittle slate]

Go back and see aun’shi’s lore

He learned to fight from the fire warriors

[past hedge]

I may be confusing things with headcanon at this point

Eh

Ethereals know kung fu lmao

Most of them do

[brittle slate]

Well they are kinda based of jedi.

[past hedge]

Without cool laser swords

Laser swords don't work with tau imo

[brittle slate]

They do know how to fight- aun’shi just learned how to fight better from shas’vre

Until he got better then them

[past hedge]

Aun'shi is a true inspiration

[brittle slate]

Yeah but that double honor blade? Screams maul

When they were initially created they were supposed to be very much a “regular sci fi” faction that got lost in 40k

[past hedge]

I don't think just Maul

[brittle slate]

Just read the interviews with McNeill or chambers

[past hedge]

That's like... a lot of other settings I can't even count with double edged weapons

[brittle slate]

Ignore Kelly. He wasn’t allowed in the design team and is still butt hurt.

[ruby sparrow]

Tau would be considered a horrific faction if not for being in 40k

[brittle slate]

See, I just don’t really get that

Like Velk’han sept? Sure. 4th sphere, got it.

[past hedge]

Star Trek is a good example. I wouldn't say horrific

[brittle slate]

But as a whole they punish war crimes

[barren tapir]

I was wondering... Is the book about shadowsun that everyone is talking about this one?
https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Shadowsun_(Novella)

[brittle slate]

Do imperials even have war crimes? Lol

[past hedge]

I'd say... intimidating

[ruby sparrow]

Wait those idiots still have laws of war

[past hedge]

A novella is a short story

So no it's not the right one

[ruby sparrow]

In the 41st millenium

[brittle slate]

No. There’s a new one by Kelly

[past hedge]

It's a new book

[ruby sparrow]

They have laws of fucking wa

[brittle slate]

To give you an example of how wrong he is- he thinks Shadowsun is from Vior’la

[ruby sparrow]

Oh my god im dying

[brittle slate]

Like… it’s in the fucking codex

[earnest snow]

So I'm not an ork lore enthusiast. Do orks actually have the ability to just...believe and make something work or is it different from the memes?

I ask because memes don't equal lore o3o

[deft sedge]

all the time for both, kmao

[ruby sparrow]

Imagine caring about fucking war crimes in the 41st millenium

[deft sedge]

nah they have a gestalt psychic field that makes things they believe a little more true

an ork can grab a gun that wouldn't work in the hands of an Imperial and it will work

[lucid iron]

So they scapegoated a few of their own citizens after 'not at all' telling them to conquer enemy worlds so they can maintain a thin veneer of being 'morally right' while committing atrocities 👍🏻

[ruby sparrow]

Iirc it is the case to some extent but it requires a lot of orks in one spot wjo all believe in it. And what sauce said

[deft sedge]

an ork can ride in a red car and make it go a little faster

[past hedge]

Ork belief needs to work with more orks

[deft sedge]

but it won't make a broken car magically fixed

[past hedge]

So the more the orks

The more intense the shenanigans

[ruby sparrow]

Ork belief works with more orks in one spot

More orks more stupid shit gets

[past hedge]

But it's not full on reality bending. Think of it like... more of a probability field

[ruby sparrow]

But its not stupid if it works

[deft sedge]

aka the Waagh force

aka fiat for explaining tabletop rules Orks get

specifically the Red Wunz Go Fasta rule

[past hedge]

Improbable things slowly becoming more probable as time goes on

[ruby sparrow]

Or just reality going "fine i give up fine your piece of shit gun works there happy?

[barren tapir]

Da redz goes fastah! And it really do

[past hedge]

The blue ones is lucky!

And a Vindicare misses a shot and gets crippling depression-

[barren tapir]

Yellow is bigger boom iirc

[deft sedge]

yes and purple sneaky

[past hedge]

And riches!

[brittle slate]

Give me one actual tau war crime

[past hedge]

I'd say sterilization

[ruby sparrow]

Also dont orks have a fucking functioning teeth based economy

[past hedge]

Yes

[deft sedge]

yeah and it's pretty well developed actually

[lucid iron]

bro you are the one who said they prosecute their own war crimes... wtf are you asking me for an example for here?

[deft sedge]

with scarcity built in

[barren tapir]

Surprise attack while negotiating a truce

[past hedge]

It's very lucrative and stable!

[brittle slate]

The Kroot absorbed part of this

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah which is hilarious

[deft sedge]

the ork squig economy is even better lol

that's quality lore

hair squigs especially

[brittle slate]

… bro? Listen pal you’re the one making up excuses

[ruby sparrow]

Orks have won warhammer 40k

[past hedge]

HAIR SQUIGS YEAHHHHH

[brittle slate]

Yes

[past hedge]

LITERALLY HAIRY PARASITES

[deft sedge]

orks were great in WHFB too

one big miss IMO is no goblins

[brittle slate]

Truth

[deft sedge]

night goblins are stellar

[past hedge]

PUT A FEW BANDAGES AROUND THEM AND YOU GET A TOP KNOT

[acoustic copper]

the Ork waagh field is so badly memed

[brittle slate]

Lol

[brittle slate]

Yes. As much as “but tau evil”

[ruby sparrow]

Its memed to shit but its pretty shitposty as it is

[past hedge]

Adeptus Rediculous makes me wanna die when it comes to them mentioning Orks

[lucid iron]

what excuse? Where is my example of a war crime the Tau committed that YOU said they prosecuted. Please explain how it's not just a justification for them to continue conquering other species who don't want to be conquered

[ruby sparrow]

Tau are relatively evil just not as evil as everyone fucking else

[past hedge]

^

[brittle slate]

Dude.

[past hedge]

This

[lucid iron]

ya lol dude

[past hedge]

This right here.

[acoustic copper]

It doesn't just pop things into existence, it doesn't magically make anything they want happen, it just acts like a psychic lubricant - it makes things run slightly better than they should. Ork tech is still tech, it runs on normal principles of physics, it's just that it works a little better than it should.

[lucid iron]

I win

[deft sedge]

bro don't get the Stupid Hivemind started I've already had to block 4 of the mouth-breathers

[lucid iron]

bye greebs

[brittle slate]

At screaming down manholes? Yes. Yes you do.

[past hedge]

YEAH THE LUBRICANT THINGIE

[ruby sparrow]

Like the tau are also naieve idiots

[past hedge]

True

But they also learn

Sometimes

[brittle slate]

Evil and naive.

[past hedge]

Ta'unar and Stormsurge

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/todd-howard-it-just-works-bethesda-this-all-just-works-gif-20598651

But also. It doesn’t.

[ruby sparrow]

Greebles. They sterilize folks

[acoustic copper]

Tau are pretty naive, but that's because they're more or less isolated to one tiny region of the galaxy and are encountering other races for the first time

[brittle slate]

Ok- plane taking off- I WILL RETURN

[ruby sparrow]

Cya

Almost at uni

[past hedge]

Very true

They're locked in a stalemate with everyone else

[deft sedge]

my classes got cancelled today

still great getting paid tho

[lucid iron]

literal sterilization for the greater good, sounds like eugenics, that seems familiar historically

[past hedge]

They wanna expand but the horrors of 40k keep ''#em in check

The eugenics and sterilization thing doesn't really phase me lol

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah tau havent been involved in the intergalactic clusterfuck long enough to be properly xenophobic and murderous

[past hedge]

I remind myself the imperium has done worse

[ruby sparrow]

Plus the fuckers are low warp presence

[acoustic copper]

well that and they've only just started expanding. the Imperium didn't get as big as it is overnight, they're making pretty good progress on the time they've had

[full bane]

If they were in any other setting the Tau would be the big bad alien empire.

[past hedge]

True!

[full bane]

But this is 40k and they're tame in comparison.

[past hedge]

Yeyeehehye

[barren tapir]

Though utterly without psychic presence, the T’au Empire found themselves beset on all sides by sudden and unnatural manifestations that their science could not explain. Determining the root cause of these nightmarish phenomena to be Humans and other such warpsensitive beings, the T’au became ever more intolerant of alien species, and ever more aggressive in their neutralisation.

Just wait until they get a better picture

[ruby sparrow]

Theyre also low warp presence so they likely dont fuck about wi

[deft sedge]

wow that is very Imperial Japanese

[ruby sparrow]

Theyre learning

Yeeep

[past hedge]

They're super imperial Japanese

AGAIN

[barren tapir]

Mankind isn't the way it is because it is its nature, but because what happened to it during all its history... Tau are the same

[acoustic copper]

Also their FTL isn't great

[ruby sparrow]

Imperial japanese moment

[deft sedge]

again what

[past hedge]

THE REASON WHY I LIKE THE TAU IS THE IRONY. THEY WANT PEACE BUT WAR IS THE ONLY VIABLE OPTION

THE MONKS CANT KEEP IT ALL IN LINE

[ruby sparrow]

Question, do we have a tau ryoma sakamoto who wears human shoes

[barren tapir]

Not really, they don't want peace, they want domination

[past hedge]

But does that mean they should conform and do what everyone else does?... maybe

[barren tapir]

Either via diplomatic ways or force ones

[past hedge]

Just... I don't want them to fully be like everyone else

[acoustic copper]

the best peace is killing everyone else

[deft sedge]

absolutely..... if it sells models

[lucid iron]

Ya I don't understand how people equate "Listen to me or die" with "They want peace"

[barren tapir]

They are, just different in how the approach things

[past hedge]

Yeah that's what I mean

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah why i said that was because ryoma sakamoto was known to wear western shoes

[past hedge]

I want different approaches not the imperium way

[barren tapir]

The Imperium has not failed to notice that those who reject the peaceful offerings of the T’au Empire are swiftly invaded and often destroyed.

[past hedge]

Tau turning into the imperium would be doodoo ass

[acoustic copper]

everyone's the hero of their own story. There are no good guys in 40k because everyone thinks they're the good guys. except those edgelord Dark Eldar

[full bane]

The lore about the Tau not having at least a rudimentary understanding of the warp is still hilariously dumb lol.
Like they've had multiple psychic auxiliaries for a long while now but the current batch of writers insist on hammering in the naivete

[lucid iron]

exodites are the good guys, they have returned to monke

like we all should

[acoustic copper]

yeah but they're also insanely territorial

[earnest snow]

The tau are gonna save the galaxy like the good naive Shonen protagonists they are

[ruby sparrow]

Maybe they simply dont give a fuck what their auxilaries say and think of them as barbarians

[lucid iron]

defending yourself is not being a bad person

[deft sedge]

they got gross hooves unfortunately

[ruby sparrow]

Theyre IMPERIAL japan

[barren tapir]

Occasionally a species will prove belligerent enough to resist the generous offers of the Tau. In such cases, the Fire caste, launches a series of rapid strikes against the command and communication infrastructure of the troublesome race, which is normally enough to drag them back to the negotiation table and help them see the light. Sadly, there are occasions when even this inducement is not enough and against such threats to the Greater Good there can be no answer but complete destruction.
Look, this is how Tau work, they use the carrot and the baton, if those doesn't work, then they bring out the big guns

[earnest snow]

They don't look japanese

[ruby sparrow]

You know how bad the japanese were in world war 2

[lucid iron]

they look mad japanese

look at the circular hats they wear

some of their troops or whatever

[deft sedge]

lmao

[lucid iron]

literally right out of medieval japan

[past hedge]

Yeah

[ruby sparrow]

Motherfucker the rest of goddamn asia hates japan to some extent and for good fucking reason

[past hedge]

Asian influences

[acoustic copper]

TIL the vietnamese are japanese

[past hedge]

Lol

[earnest snow]

The clothes yes but I've never met a blue Japanese man before 🤔

[past hedge]

I like the tau because they're imperial Japan in spade with a bit of monk-like philosophy

[lucid iron]

nah today you learned some cultural clothing streches across borders

like jeans bro

[deft sedge]

the hats is funny and kind of a racist thing
because the Tau fire warrior pauldrons are based of of samurai armor are are a much better example

[past hedge]

Basically kind and good looking... but they're still assholes

[ruby sparrow]

Imperial japan is cool

[deft sedge]

hard disagree

[ruby sparrow]

And also very xenophobic

[past hedge]

Think of it like a kind and wise old man

[earnest snow]

Show me a blue Japanese man and I'll say the tau are Japanese

[barren tapir]

Oh oh, do you remember when ethereals used a human and a tau as bait for genestealers?

[ruby sparrow]

Like they commonly killed christian missionaries in japan

[barren tapir]

I remember

[deft sedge]

best place for a fascist's neck is under a boot heel regardless of time or place

[past hedge]

With an army of nationalist warriors

[lucid iron]

blue man group japan?

[past hedge]

True

[earnest snow]

[mossy mortar]

Yes it's called refusing to fight

[ruby sparrow]

But yeah also reminder. A lot of other asian countries hate japan

[past hedge]

Lol

[deft sedge]

name two asian countries that don't hate each other, lmao

[ruby sparrow]

Especially the koreas and china

[past hedge]

Thinking about it the Tau empire did start out warring with each other

[deft sedge]

vietnam and thai is like the only two I can think of who even get along a little

[past hedge]

Each caste was quite literally an opposing tribe/country on the planet

[mossy mortar]

They were fighting cultural imperialism

[deft sedge]

LOL "fighting cultural imperialism" 😂

while they were invading Korea

[ruby sparrow]

Nono this is related to the missionaries

[lucid iron]

I think that is too

[acoustic copper]

then the Eldar came along and genetically engineered a Tau with a Q'orl pheromone gland and united them all under Secret Eldar Control

[lucid iron]

they may have been invading korea around then

[deft sedge]

yeah both are they happened simultaneously

[ruby sparrow]

Trust me missionaries are usually tied to colonialism

[mossy mortar]

Tau are clearly modeled on imperial japan in their expansionist phsse when they were winning s bunch

[earnest snow]

Can't wait for a tau to get the towel boy role in a football team and be called "tauwel"

[deft sedge]

they were, I'm talking about Ieyasu here

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/armstrong-made-it-up-gif-25653819

[acoustic copper]

Xenology, actually

[past hedge]

What the fuck are you talking about

[lucid iron]

ayy, ya i couldnt remember the exact years but I know they went into Korea

[deft sedge]

several times. in fact they went back because they didn't chop off enough heads

[mossy mortar]

And a lot of their weaknesses are modeled on them to - namely that Japanese cryptography was out of date and never updated, plus their fundamental issues with oil supply and strategic mobility

[earnest snow]

The Eldar created bad puns and a chaos God. Idk about the tau

[signal bramble]

Did you know that the name of Ciaphas Cain’s sword instructor is Miyamoto Debergerac?

[lucid iron]

LOL

[past hedge]

No way lmao

[lucid iron]

WTF is that cursed shit

[signal bramble]

That’s some interesting combination of references.

[deft sedge]

YES this is the lore that is missing from this chat, fuck

enough about that stupid ass Tau bullshit