40k-lore-chat

[barren ether]

So Xenos

[normal stream]

Does he explicitly mention that?

[barren ether]

Unless Morrow is several hundred years old and saw fucking Angron

[normal stream]

Quote your source.

[barren ether]

It would be the 3rd war. Maybe maybe 2nd if Morrow was getting rejuv treatments

[steady sparrow]

Sick.

[snow dock]

"This action is only taken in those extreme circumstances where a potential or actual extinction-level strategic threat to the entire Imperium exists on the planet and might spread to other Imperial worlds." https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Exterminatus#:~:text=Exterminatus is the name in,all life upon a world.

[normal stream]

If he was half a century old, could be first

[normal stream]

Fandom isn't a source, mate..

Anyways, that doesn't say an inquisitor can't just order an exterminatus earlier rather than later.

[barren ether]

The game takes place during the Indomitus crusade

And the 1st war was in fucking m.444 m40 bro

[snow dock]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exterminatus

Exterminatus is the most extreme method of dealing with some form of heresy, corruption or alien infiltration which has taken root within a planet's population. Accordingly it is only used in the most extreme of circumstances, when the level of corruption a world bears is so monumental that it cannot be wiped out by any other means. The destruction of the entire population is deemed necessary to prevent the contagion from spreading further.

[normal stream]

Like, they're fucking inquisitors, there's very little they do that needs oversight. The only two I can think of is Excommunicate Traitoris and disbarring one of their own.

[steady sparrow]

I do think inquisitors aren't that trigger happy with them, most of them don't go

https://tenor.com/view/exterminatus-heresy-press-button-gif-14019318

[barren ether]

There’s a lot they do that is already under oversight by their superiors. Inquisitors are powerful, but if they don’t have enough influence, goodwill, prestige, etc., an inquisitor can still be checked

[celest dome]

There is an Ordo (Minoris) that oversee Exterminatuses, so sure you could use it willy nilly but it's not without consequences Ordo Excorium

[normal stream]

Correct. But it's not like they need to fill out a form to declare exterminatus.

[barren ether]

Yeah but they do need a damn good reason to do so

Like the absolute best of reasons to exterminate one of the god emperors worlds

[normal stream]

I'd say the bar for "damn good" should really be "they have enough clout to just do it"

[barren ether]

It’s not something that is taken even remotely lightly

Not even

[steady sparrow]

How many people on average live on hive worlds?

[snow dock]

It is only used in the most extreme of circumstances, when the level of corruption a world bears is so monumental that it cannot be wiped out by any other means.

[barren ether]

Powerful Inquisitors don’t go traipsing about exterminatusing their issues

[normal stream]

And yet..

[barren ether]

And yet what

[celest dome]

A lot

[normal stream]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Months_of_Shame

[snow dock]

Fuck it this conversation is no longer fruitful, engaging or worth the effort

[celest dome]

Terra for example has 200 Billion to Quadrillions of individuals

[barren ether]

Because a fucking daemon prince touched down on a planet

[steady sparrow]

The quote of the inquisitor talk about 10 billion

[barren ether]

A daemon primarch no less

[steady sparrow]

And i believe way more people live in hive worlds

[barren ether]

And the Space Wolves STILL checked the inquisition

[normal stream]

And they nuked the planets that the survivors went to?

[barren ether]

As they should!

[normal stream]

Yep.

Dunno if that feels even remotely reasonable.

[barren ether]

A daemon primarch homie

Khorne’s favorite toy

[steady sparrow]

Yeah that's worth destroying a planet over

[normal stream]

Multiple planets.

[steady sparrow]

It's not like one guy that can be replaced

[barren ether]

96 grey knights died to only BANISH the fucker

[normal stream]

Every one that a troop transport or survivor transport went to.

[steady sparrow]

There was like 19 of those guys

21 tops

[normal stream]

Are we discussing the same thing here?

[barren ether]

We are discussing the brevity of exterminatus

And the validity of an inquisitors use of it

[steady sparrow]

I am saying that a daemon primarch is a valid exterminatus target

[barren ether]

You used the most extreme case of it as an example

[normal stream]

Wrong context.

Agreed, valid target, but not the context we're talking about

[steady sparrow]

Man...

[barren ether]

I’ll also agree lmao

[steady sparrow]

There's no reading comprehension left in me

[barren ether]

It’s like 3am and we are arguing over lore like nerds

God I love 40k

[steady sparrow]

Speak for yourself it's 8 am here

[rustic spruce]

how come guardian spears are only really used by custodes

[normal stream]

IIRC one of the old dexes had Eldar Exodite planets nuked because of their World Tree

[steady sparrow]

Woke up extra early to argue

[barren ether]

Because rule of cool to be honest

[barren ether]

That’s kinda valid though. Suffer not the Xenos

[normal stream]

And I think in the Taros campaign they nuked a planet as a spiteful "f u" to the tau after it flipped allegiances

[barren ether]

Especially not a planet terraformed and intertwined with them

[steady sparrow]

We're suffering from the rule of cool

A writer says "Imperium can blow up planets" and we're left arguing about it

[snow dock]

Each one is a master craft made for the individual custodian

[barren ether]

At this point I don’t even want to sound like an imperium apologist. Fuck it I wanna see more exterminatus

[snow dock]

No custodes are the same their weapons and armour are made for them exactly and only them

[steady sparrow]

Doesn't stop us from talking about the ethics of it

[normal stream]

There's.. Ethics?

[last lagoon]

I'm sorry xenos but humanity deserves the dubs

[karmic raft]

Stop the cap.

[brittle slate]

they're a ceramonial weapon

[steady sparrow]

How much stuff is made for exactly one person and only them

[brittle slate]

but a bunch of people have used something like it before

[normal stream]

I really don't know if we want to talk about ethics in the 41st mil :p

[brittle slate]

look at the watchmasters

[karmic raft]

Humanity ain’t deserve shit no cap

[barren ether]

One could argue that there are. Which I guess is what we’ve been arguing about lol

[brittle slate]

suits me, i play tau

heck, i speak tau

[steady sparrow]

I meant """"""ethics""""" in the loosest sense possible

[barren ether]

See I feel maybe we should talk about the ethics of the Imperium of man back in 30k

[normal stream]

Well, I guess if we define that ethics are grounded in the socioculture of the time..

[barren ether]

They committed war crimes hourly

[brittle slate]

not anymore...

[barren ether]

The great crusade was kinda the “great genocide” for like everyone else

[normal stream]

And geno/xenocides en masse

[brittle slate]

except for the guys controlling the rangdan

[barren ether]

Even humans weren’t safe 😂

[karmic raft]

Humanity fumbled the bag and now they gotta suck it up and go extinct. That’s just the way it is.

You win some you lose some.

[barren ether]

Fuck you if you were born under peaceful xenos rule and you’re a human

You still get a bolt in the brain

[steady sparrow]

In 40k there are probably puppy skinning factories, it's hard to find exact ethics in such ridiculous world

[barren ether]

Fuck you if you have all this wondrous technology. It’s xenos and therefore bad

cough Interex cough

[karmic raft]

You’re a slopjockey if you try to look for ethics in the Warhammer to keep it a buck fifty

[brittle slate]

rip

[last lagoon]

I mean the Interex wasnt the fault of the Imperium

Just some crazy guy

A wacko fella

[barren ether]

Eh it kindaaaaaa was

Erebus stole the anathame from them. That prick

And you know the Interex were quietly purged off screen

Horus was wounded on Davin and then the writers suddenly forgot about them

[last lagoon]

I do think the Interex would have most likely been purged either way

[normal stream]

Yeah, they got like 1 or 2 lines in another novel

[last lagoon]

Due to how open they are with the warp

And thats a big no no for Emps

[barren ether]

No. They UNDERSTOOD it. They weren’t open

[last lagoon]

Yeah, they actively talked about it with the Luna Wolves

[barren ether]

If anything they tried to warn the SpaceBros of Chaos or “kaos” but you know… typical space marine arrogance

[normal stream]

Well, they also consorted with aliens and didn't purge them all

(Murder)

[last lagoon]

Yeah exactly, thats what I mean by being open about it

[normal stream]

😂

[barren ether]

Hmm fair enough

[last lagoon]

Instead of keeping it hidden like Emps had attempted from the general population

[karmic raft]

surely nothing can go wrong with Erebus joining the peace talks

[barren ether]

Well I can’t explain the weird mental gymnastics you have to perform to rationalize that

[karmic raft]

[steady sparrow]

Oh no it's an actual discussion
How am I supposed to shitpost in this environment

[normal stream]

If you could have a pet nurgling or a pet ripper, which would you choose?

[barren ether]

Jimmy space lore is really convoluted

[barren ether]

Nurgling. I might die of space gonorsyphylaids but at least it loves me

[normal stream]

Right? And it laughs!

Probably tells good jokes.

[barren ether]

And so we all collectively said: “fuck that guy”

[last lagoon]

Ngl

[karmic raft]

Erebus is kinda based though

[last lagoon]

Erebus is really slept upon as a character

[barren ether]

Then we see Kharn and say: “what a swell guy”

[last lagoon]

He's a great moustache twirling villain

[karmic raft]

He just did a little trolling

[barren ether]

Erebus is an amazing character who is the mastermind behind current 40k alongside Kor Phaeron. But still he’s a cunt

[karmic raft]

Can you really blame a brother for trolling

[steady sparrow]

I do still think both alpharius and omegon are alive

[barren ether]

One is alive

[steady sparrow]

No, both are

[karmic raft]

Stop the cap

[barren ether]

One is dead after being killed by dorn

[last lagoon]

We do see Alpharius die in uhh

[barren ether]

I’m serious guys lmao

[steady sparrow]

That wasn't him

[last lagoon]

I forgot the book

On Pluto

[barren ether]

A primarch would sweep the fucking floor with a regular marine

[last lagoon]

We even see Omegon react to Alpharius' death

[barren ether]

So no regular alpha legionnaire could’ve even lasted a second with him

[normal stream]

Yep

[karmic raft]

Damn randy

Ur theory just got shit on

[barren ether]

Dorn killed one of the brothers

[karmic raft]

Slopjockey alert

[steady sparrow]

And how can you trust him on that?

[barren ether]

We do

[last lagoon]

Because its from Omegon's pov

[karmic raft]

LOL

[barren ether]

I hate the fucking alpha legion memes so much

[karmic raft]

SO TRUE

[normal stream]

I mean, goes back to the "we can't quote BL" thing.. But..

[barren ether]

Use critical thought please for the love of god

[karmic raft]

Damn based

So based

[barren ether]

I know that’s mean but it’s frustrating when people talk about the Alpha legion

[steady sparrow]

Also hate the i am alpharius shit

[last lagoon]

I do wish AL could get better books

[barren ether]

Yes it’s convoluted, but we also have cold hard facts about their history

[steady sparrow]

I do still like the alpha legion tho

[normal stream]

Their TT rules were always trash though

[karmic raft]

Chaos moment

Sadge

[barren ether]

One of the brothers died. One is still quite possibly alive considering we hear very little about them after the heresy

[last lagoon]

Hell the new Alpha legion book even mocks the "Alpharius is alive" theory

[karmic raft]

Holy moly this guys theory just got shat on

Guys he’s dead

[barren ether]

A popular theory is that the AL are fractured between loyalists and heretics and I personally believe it. It’s not canon but I think it might be true

[last lagoon]

Its sad that the book is also uhh

Not good

[steady sparrow]

Didn't the alpha legion try gaslighting ultramarines into believing they did kill the primarch

The 2nd one i mean

[karmic raft]

Oh he still going ah hell nah

[normal stream]

And a faction that's supporting the star child or something, right?

[steady sparrow]

No!

[last lagoon]

Guilliman said he killed a marine calling himself Omegon but is like

"Yeah nah"

[steady sparrow]

It's and actual, genuine lore question!

[barren ether]

Yes apparently. Which makes total sense to me considering the AL were involved with the Old Ones

[steady sparrow]

I can see why it came off as shitposting

[barren ether]

Or at least Alpharius and Omegon

[normal stream]

Yeah

[last lagoon]

Oh no the cabal plot line

[barren ether]

Also the AL and Constantin Valdor are kinda intertwined too considering the star child theory and the city in the webeay

[steady sparrow]

Have they been brought up ever since

[last lagoon]

They were killed off

By Eldrad and another marine I forgot

Because their idea was dumb lmao

[barren ether]

Correct however there is some hot new webway action going on in current 40k

[last lagoon]

Wdym? Is it a new cabal or just webway having new stuff happen

[barren ether]

Our beloved Star Child, who is the God Emperor’s empyreal form baby

That’s not canon but you can’t tell me it isn’t

When/if emps dies, he’s going to be reborn into a god as he’s a perpetual, but now he’s lowkey been taking steroids everyday for 10k years

[steady sparrow]

Actual Darktide question

[barren ether]

So he’s gonna become a god

[steady sparrow]

Do we see grendyl

[barren ether]

Not yet I guess

[steady sparrow]

the servitor is all we see of him?

[barren ether]

The face we see alternates between gender and between human and ogryn

The servitor is merely a vessel for the hologram

[steady sparrow]

Grendyl is actually the collective of the entire Mourningstar

All the crew went "yeah sure we're inquisitor grendyl"

[barren ether]

Now that’s a hot take right there

Fuck if we know until we actually see the man

[karmic raft]

It’s prob just the big haired lady at the cinematic opening.

Calling it.

[barren ether]

Yeah I can’t really see why you wouldn’t be wrong

[steady sparrow]

Isn't one of the voice the servitor speaks is Hadron?

[karmic raft]

It ain’t matter it’s just a tool to hide their true selves.

Chuck E. Cheese could have showed up and it ain’t mean shit

[normal stream]

That'd be one terrifying chuck e cheese

[steady sparrow]

Still thinking about ogryns

Apparently they truly believe every order is from the Emperor

Godspeed you beautiful fools

[full bane]

She's a Rogue Trader though

Shipmistress Brahm.

[steady sparrow]

The identity of grendyl is still a mystery

They're probably going to reveal it later down the line

[brittle slate]

i would hope

i want the story to really kick off

[steady sparrow]

I do have a second, absolutely horrible, non credible theory about grendyl

He IS the servitor

[brittle slate]

lol

[steady sparrow]

He got lobotomized but SOMEHOW technically has a title of an inquisitor

[full bane]

Lobotomised is one way of saying ABSOLUTELY BEHEADED

[steady sparrow]

how is it still a servitor if it has no head

and logically no brain

that's just a fancy flesh cogitator

[full bane]

I mean isn't that basically what we see?

It's a headless, limbless torso with a holo-projector where the head should be.

Torso is just there for the shape lol

[steady sparrow]

it is referred is a servitor in subtitles while it talks
whatever, i really don't know

[mystic grove]

so this is interesting

https://youtu.be/2cle-AdV_Q0

[prime tapir]

Would be kinda cool if Grendyl was one of Abnett’s established characters

[brittle slate]

oooo

[prime tapir]

Ravenor, Gregor or Bequin

[brittle slate]

OOOOOO!

Ravenor would make the most sense

[prime tapir]

I never finished the ravenor books so I’m just gonna assume he still lives lol

But yeah it would

A guy entombed in a coffin has reason to hide

[celest dome]

It's still a Servitor

[prime tapir]

Ravenor is also pretty cheap to model haha

Just a big fucking box

[bright fulcrum]

Just found out that daemons can be only killed by swords and not guns due to them being rooted in old ancient ways and im guessing in the video games they were made to be also killed by guns as more of a gameplay balance thing?

[full bane]

You can shoot them with guns, it's always been a thing. But sword and flame work better as its symbolic.

And that was before the Imperium really went full nutso with the Creed.

Which lends symbolic weight to most methods of combating the warp because you are CLAD IN AN AEGIS OF CONTEMPT AND BEAR THE BLADE OF FAITH AND FURY

[bright fulcrum]

Oh ok now I get it

So basically guns can stillnwork but it takes more shots for them and more time to put them down

[full bane]

Any weapon works against daemons, its the intent which matters.

The main time you see the resistance to guns thing is in Know No Fear and other early Horus Heresy novels.

[bright fulcrum]

And I was told depends on the type of daemon your fighting to

[full bane]

Where Humanity is still under the Imperial Truth and denying the existence of daemons and religious stuff.

But the Grey Knights, the primary daemonhunters, use both blade and bolt when fighting daemons.

Of course they bless their bolts in the blood of martyrs and the tears of saints, and infuse their psi-cannon rounds with psychic might and scribe ritual script on them.

A tertio of solar auxilia firing blast-charged rounds into a horde of oncoming daemons might be able to stem the tide, but so could a single faithful guardsman with his last belt of heavy stubber ammo and a prayer to the emperor on his lips, firing wildly from the gate of the last shrine on the planet.

[bright fulcrum]

Ah huh also to ask a different question would scab ragers be technically considered devotees for khorne since not only there called ragers but they also attack you in brutal melee with a wrathful bloodlust?

[steady sparrow]

how much do you think you'd have to dumb down a power weapon so that an ogryn could use it

[spark relic]

powerfist

funny glowing glove

unleashes power when you hit something, doesn't need to be activated

Just make sure they don't scratch themselves too aggressively or something

[alpine minnow]

thats true

@alpine minnow

[spark relic]

Why'd you ping yourself homie

[scenic sun]

^

[scenic sun]

When I take a shit, am I worshipping nurgle?

Just cause you do something a god aproves doesn't mean you kneel to said god a worship it like a mad man

[spark relic]

With the same logic shedding any blood in combat at all is worshipping Khorne, If you pray to a god that god is your patron, even if you do things that other gods would approve of

Such as torture (slaanesh) or lying (tzeench)

[barren tapir]

Well, i was reading some lore about the Votann, and damn, lots of points are nearly exact copy of my headcanon for my forge world lol...
It isn't a bad thing, since the Votann lore kinda make my fanmade forge world less lore breaking than before, but it is kinda sad that now people will think i took inspiration from the Leagues, when i simply went with my personal takes years ago...

[bright fulcrum]

Ok fair another since what every individual does ends up feeding off the chaos gods equally and the chaos gods feed off of each other to

[prime tapir]

The green ragers are nurgle devotees.

The black ragers are devoted to chaos undivided.

Some of them probably lean khorne.

[barren tapir]

Based on? Or it is just a theory?

[prime tapir]

From what I was able to tell they don’t have any nurgle iconography or symbolism.

But they do have undivided iconography.

Same goes for the mercenary shooters. (Brown ish)

[barren tapir]

Undivided iconography? You mean the chaos star?

[prime tapir]

Yes, they did have that one on their armour

[spark relic]

The star of Chaos is just a general symbol of Chaos

[barren tapir]

That is not a indication of chaos undivided mind you

If we go by the name they have in game they are dregs, which are the cultists of admontion, which are all nurgle followers

Scabs too are nurgle followers, but are renegade guards instead of being just random cultists

[prime tapir]

If someone wants to take a closer look at them in the meat grinder their aesthetic profile is distinctly different from the nurgle units.

But I’m at work sadly

[celest dome]

It is still somewhat true to say that the Scab aren't Nurglite themed. But they still are narratively

[barren tapir]

Well, i have no need to take a look, i have the words of the devs and the blogs that state that all are nurgle followers

[prime tapir]

Alrighty

[barren tapir]

Some old time cultists so very influenced, others are new cultists so less influenced yet

[celest dome]

Might be to later move them toward a more Chaos Undivided approach (and make other cults appear) but atm they are Nurglite as they come

[barren tapir]

Oh, and the mercenary is not a mercenary but a dreg gunner, which mean they don't have armour or hotshot lasgun because their cult couldn't get any, unlike the scab gunners that were probably the elite of the moebian sixth

[celest dome]

Dreg Gunner do have Nurglite symbol iirc

In addition to the general pox and rust

[storm jungle]

Every enemy in the game has nurgle's sigils etched into their body or armor

Not every nurgle worshipper has to be a green armored gung-ho person like the Death Guard more or less

[barren tapir]

Green? Orks confirmed?

[celest dome]

Is Chainsaw Man currently here ? I think he did some posts about all the symbols and such

That he found

[storm jungle]

The symbols dont mean anything

They are just Dark Tongue runes

they are universal chaos language stuff

[celest dome]

Sure, but I think he found some Nurglite symbol too (Though he he saw something close to a Slaaneshi symbol too but that was mostly a purity seal that was taken of

In the Scab

[storm jungle]

Yeah thats on the scab gunner

But people also assume the guys are Undivided when pretty much any chaos-person™️ has the chaos star on their armor/belongings even when serving another god

[scenic sun]

Yeah

In the lore it is said chaos barely pays attention to real space, so it is entirely possible to be a nurgle follower while not being a complete green goo of disease

[storm jungle]

Yeah this too

[scenic sun]

To get nurgle's gift, that means this insurrection did some real damage which, it did. They can summon beats and daemonhosts, they are not fucking arround

[storm jungle]

The cult is a lot more visibly infected, the traitor guard meanwhile just look "freshly" rotten with missing noses and looking like decaying corpses

[scenic sun]

I'm a bit mad how games and GW even only showcase chaos cults in the latter "war" stage of plans when they are fully corrupted

Not on the early stages where corruption is minimal if even a thing and the cult is just learning about chaos

[storm jungle]

Yeah its mostly done to differentiate them visually from other chaos factions

[scenic sun]

Fair enough

[storm jungle]

Yeee its a fair point you make tho

its just that GW makes minis before any lore thing and then adds that later

[scenic sun]

Dark souls syndrome

[mighty snow]

So I don't know a lot about the lore the fact that Commisar Yarrik is dead is kind of a big deal, right?

[scenic sun]

like if General Patton died mid ww2, or mac arthur

yes, it is important

[mighty snow]

So, are the green skins gonna do something about Ol' Bale eye's death?

Because that's a speculation I heard a couple of times

[barren tapir]

We don't even know for sure he is ded

And people are already making so many theories about how orks are gonna react

If they ever are gonna heard about it

[mighty snow]

As I said, don't know too much about the lore

[barren tapir]

Oh, it isn't you i was referring to... Other people that like to jump to conclusions too damn fast

[scenic sun]

that for sure

pretty sure GW basically confirmed he kicked it, but from there who knows?

[barren tapir]

Nah, GW actually made it less obvious it died... They directly stated that it wouldn't be the first time he was declared dead or that it might have been a propaganda thing like with calgar on vigilus

[storm jungle]

Yeah I posted the entry from the codex here

Its basically written like a propaganda report that REALLY doesnt want to reveal how Yarrick died but they are obviously covering it up

DE GLORIA YARRICK

Being the [REDACTED] file of [REDACTED] issued to officers in the [REDACTED] war zone. The following document is to be disseminated to all ranks. Receiving and understand the following testimony issued by the Divisio Mortis of the Officio Prefectus is compulsory. Your Commissar will shortly disperse the expanded, approved version for senior officers. Yours with fealty, [REDACTED].


>> Gravitas maximus, Ministorum sub-amenda.

Know you, all, that the Bell of Lost Souls has rung this chromosegment, for the loss of a great hero of the Astra Militarum is a loss to humanity.

Know you, all, that the Hero of Hades Hive, the Most Glorious and Righteous Commissar Yarrick, S. , was the Savior of Armageddon during the First War, Traitors' words did he heed not; unmasked was the planet's heretic governor. When a xenos beast the size of Hades itself dared take the Commissar's arm did the noble duelist cleave the creature's head in twain and take the war prize of his own. And were the xenos driven to flee.

Know you, all, that at in the fame of the Orks' return during the Second War did Commissar Yarrick sally forth once more to Armageddon. There did he bestride the ash like a giant. No xenos ploy escaped his gaze, soldier-true forgot his duty. And did the Beast flee once more.

Know you, all, that when war once more rattled  its sabre, when base creatures blew the brazen-horn of conflict, did Commissar Yarrick, unfettered by fear, march again in the Emperor's service.

Know you, all, that the God Emperor, in His infinite and manifest wisdom has decreed that at last may his loyal servant lay down his physical weapons, for such mundane duties are beyond him. Now is the servant's task created anew, the fire of his soul flaring like the heart of Sol. Now does the God-Emperor charge him at his side, to enter the greater war - for such is he now made ready.

Operation report Mun/Pre-II4 882// Posession, trade and solicitation of memento mori [osseus or otherwise] is hereby forbidden amongst all ranks. Ministorum exemptions apply. 9092xx

Its...

very sus

[scenic sun]

damm

[scenic sun]

love how all lore is always sent to us as in universe explanations

[scenic sun]

i hate you servitor

question for the tyranid experts: Do lower lifeforms like gaunts retreat like animals when injured if no synapse creatures are arround to control them?

or said synapse creature got killed?

[full bane]

In the tabletop they used to have a random behaviour chart when out of synapse range. The idea was that they acted like particularly aggressive animals outside of synapse control.

[scenic sun]

do they flee too like animals when shot or do they not have self-preservation even when outside the control of the hive mind?

[drowsy pecan]

I don't think they will flee but just unorganised

[spark relic]

They won't flee but they will behave in the same way a wounded predator would

Stalk it's prey and attack when it judges it has the best chance of victory

[full bane]

Depends on the Tyranid.

[scenic sun]

We're talking gaunts

[full bane]

Each one behaves like a different animal.

[scenic sun]

hormogaunts to be exact

[vivid turtle]

so how strong is a daemonhost supposed to actually be

in comparison to say, a space marine

[spark relic]

Varies

[scenic sun]

aren't they the basic infantry in a nutshell?

[scenic sun]

depends on the daemon and possesed pysker

[vivid turtle]

i see

[spark relic]

Daemonhosts very in strength depending on the daemon and the spells binding them

Yeah, what Joe said

[full bane]

Hormogaunts are aggressive and feed oriented. They pursue and chase down wounded foes and avoid big threats.
Meanwhile Termagaunts use to roll on the lurk chart, they'd skitter around and run away if not in synapse.

Possibly coming back to lurk on the edges

[scenic sun]

termas are the ones that use guns right?

well... "guns"

[mossy mortar]

Yes

[mossy mortar]

Strong, though

Similar in range to inquisitorial henchman or veteran space marine typically

Since those are other characters from the game they were introduced in

[somber harness]

Do we know what ordo our inquisitor is part of

[scenic sun]

hereticus*

is it posible then that termagaunts and other types of gaunts make their own little "hive" if cutoff from the mind?

or do they just rip eachother?

[weak fossil]

Given the state of Tertium, could be Ordo Malleus

[weak fossil]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Ordo_Malleus

Ordo Hereticus probably have their hands full with all the new wild psykers that have popped up since the cicatrix maledicutm tore the galaxy in half

[somber harness]

I couldnt decide between them two

Leaning more to malleus

[weak fossil]

Yeah Tyrannids turn into relatively chill apex predators and settle into their natural environment when the hive isn't present.

[weak fossil]

For sure. There were plenty of cases where worlds were completely free of chaos taint, but run by psykers, who were just awful reality-bending people.

[storm jungle]

Its Hereticus.

The characters mention it in dialogue.

[somber harness]

ah?

[storm jungle]

It is among many voicelines you wouldnt hear unless you were a no-life like me playing the game constantly 💀

[barren tapir]

It make no sense to be malleus lol, too few demons

[somber harness]

What do they say

[weak fossil]

Huh, my mistake. That's going to be a pretty tense interaction in the DLC when Maleus show up, after all these darn daemonhosts etc have been logged.

[barren tapir]

What if malleus doesn't show up because all is within hereticus influence zone?

[storm jungle]

Again no harm done, like i said its a rare dialogue sequence

[barren tapir]

Also, why so many people like so much malleus?

[somber harness]

i like hereticus more'

[storm jungle]

The ogryn asks the "Is Emperor Man or God?" thing, but I had a full Level 30 team with me so by that point they would all be considered Acolytes™️

And the Veteran goes, "Careful big man, we are Ordo Hereticus agents now. Asking questions like that could get you shot."

as Fatshark said in an interview the dialogue changes as your character levels up

which is ACTUALLY in the game surprisingly

[barren tapir]

Surprised gasp

[weak fossil]

Yeah but it'd be a good excuse for a DLC, and very lore-friendly. Hereticus assumes it's some group of wild psykers subverting the planet, shows up, finds chaos, is out of their depth, sends a bunch of disposable recruits to try to investigate/alleviate the situation, then Maleus shows up and starts trying to inquisitor another band of inquistors

[barren tapir]

Hereticus deal with chaos too

In fact it is their duty to crush all chaos cults

Malleus is for heavy daemonic invasions

Not cults

Hell, hereticus was formed to keep an eye on cults not psykers

Psykers are dealt with by the adeptus astra telpathica

[weak fossil]

Sure, crush the cults, but that's before the eyes of the chaos gods have actually reached them, and daemonic manifestations are present. Mostly they're there to search for psykers and put them on the black ships to feed the corpse god for another day

[barren tapir]

No, that is not what hereticus do

Hereticus manage all the things that deal with chaos cults

Even demons or demonhost

As long there are no super big chaos portals malleus isn't concerned

And again, the ones that hunt psykers is the astra telepathica

[weak fossil]

Alright, thanks, my mistake

[barren tapir]

Although originally concerned with monitoring the Ecclesiarchy, the Ordo Hereticus has expanded its jurisdiction to encompass the other internal threats to the Imperium: witches, mutants, heretics, psykers, traitors and other deviants among mankind. Hereticus Inquisitors are the most feared members of the Inquisition, as their focus is on Mankind itself.

[weak fossil]

Malleus is just there for actually dealing with open warp portals on a planet then? That's an entire wing of the Inquisition? I guess the galaxy is a big place.

I need to stop using the word 'literally' so much.

[barren tapir]

Malleus was once the only ordo present, and was meant to deal with daemonic incusrions yeah, then other bad things happened and other ordos were created, the war of the beast and the threat that orks posed at the time made so that the ordo xenos was created to deal with xenos specifically, and the age of apostasy with goge vandire was the reason to the creation of the ordo hereticus... Of course some time the zones of actions of those three ordo overlap

And yes, the galaxy is a really big place, and not even fully charted or accessible too

After the formation of the great rift the ordo most busy is malleus, since now they don't really have to exactly guess where demons are

But tbf all ordos are busy right now

[weak fossil]

I'm kind of hoping the Moebian Domain is near that barely-traversible warp route to the halo stars, making Tertium important because it's a jump point to that region. Get some super heretical dark age tech that FatShark can let their animators go wild on at some point.

[celest dome]

Wasn't it that before they made the Ordo the Inquisition dealt with what ever they wanted and then Malleus formed because they had to specialise a part of their forces ? So they still had people working as Inquisitor against Xenos before the Ordo Xenos but not in name ?

[weak fossil]

I suppose it would put it on the bad side of the rift with respect to the astronomicon, but people seem to be scraping by there for now

[weak fossil]

Thanks for taking the time to explain 🙂

[barren tapir]

The moebian domain is roughly in the north-west part of the segmentum solar

[deft sedge]

a) they're probably the most iconic. also the most related to the actual real world Inquisition in historical terms
b) grey knights
c) people just like the word "malleus" and hammers

[weak fossil]

Oh wow, it's actually on the map somewhere, dope, I've been asking about that for days!

Near Hydraphur?

[barren tapir]

At the beginning there was no ordos, and the inquisition dealt with what they wanted but mostly demons, since that is what it was made for... Or well, chaos in general... Then the war of the beast happened and the inquisition got the duty to also monitor xenos threats so that not let such things happen again

[barren tapir]

Yeah, should be around there

[weak fossil]

Awesome

I heard that some of the halo devices didn't subsume the user, and just kept them happy in their prime indefinitely. I wonder how many of the high lords are rocking one of those heretical devices.

[scenic sun]

honestly

am i the only one that likes ordo xenos the most?

[celest dome]

I kinda prefer Xenos, because they often use Xenos weaponries to dab on their enemy

[still pecan]

So dumb question, are both scabs and dregs nurgle aligned or are we fighting non nurgle enemies too all this time?

[weak fossil]

Pretty sure what we're seeing in the game is a Nurgle infestation, and I think maybe some chaos undivided opportunism with the daemonhosts

I'm not sure about that last bit, they just seem very agile, teleporty, and not very pustulent to be nurgle daemons infesting the host.

[deft sedge]

then again they are green

[weak fossil]

Yeah, everything other than the daemonhosts is nurgle

[still pecan]

Daemon Host Ork aligned confirmed? /s

[weak fossil]

Nah, yarrick was going to be an ork daemonhost, and they killed him off 😦

[still pecan]

I like the steel legion because of their mechanized infantry theme so it hurts
Also screw the space wolves

[weak fossil]

gonna be a weird time if fatshark decides to represent the other chaos gods in darktide. OK, we have khorne, faster, more aggressive. We have Tzeetch, more teleporty with unpleasant magic effects... anyone else? anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

[barren tapir]

Daemonhost too is nurgle

[still pecan]

Khorne: Oops, all ragers

[deft sedge]

don't see this ever happening personally

[dusk patrol]

Tbh I think it’s more likely than other race options

It’d probably be less work

GSC or Orks are the other two obvious options and I think they’ve said things which imply GSC is unlikely due to it having been done a lot

[still pecan]

Wait, what no genestealers?
Honestly i thought they would be the next enemy if they ever add more

But Orks are always welcome

[weak fossil]

Orks are great, but we kind of already have them as the Ogryn

[deft sedge]

man honestly I could see them doing beastmen again

[mystic geyser]

Slander

[dusk patrol]

They didn’t confirm anything they just said stuff which implied they’re less likely due to having been done already in games like Space Hulk: Deathwing

[deft sedge]

lolque

[rose thorn]

Did someone say genestealer cults?

[mystic geyser]

Beastman would be a player character

[deft sedge]

imperial beastman

[mystic geyser]

Unless Tzeeentch get involved

[deft sedge]

make it happen

[still pecan]

Skaven in space

[dusk patrol]

I think swapping the allegiance of the cultists and adding more factions that way is more likely though

[mystic geyser]

We don't talk about Hrud

[deft sedge]

it's stupid that tzaangors are named that but nurgle's are pestigors
they should be "Nurglors"

[dusk patrol]

They could reuse animations and just have to make new skins for the adds

Change a few behaviors

Maybe add some new elites and specials

[still pecan]

Or Nerdgors for Tzaangors

[deft sedge]

hard R

[weak fossil]

If the Moebian Domain is right next to the warp corridor to the halo stars, we could have some very poorly documented, extremely heretical abominations to fight coming from a space hulk that is the conglomeration of many of the ships that tried to make the return-journey traverse and failed, after a few hundred years, and people wearing the halo devices

That'd be... I don't know, thematically decent.

[mystic geyser]

I doubt they'll allow a non 40k faction , as cool as it would be. They've been pretty restrained on that front

(Though the Maulers are completely new)

[deft sedge]

you talkin beastmen? they're in 40k

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know where the Moebian domain is

[dusk patrol]

Barely

[mystic geyser]

Nah I'm talking horrors from beyond the halo stars

[deft sedge]

they got models at least

that's more than other things which are in 40k

[dusk patrol]

They have like one model

[deft sedge]

you wrong bro

[mystic geyser]

I wiped those from my mind

[celest dome]

Khorngor used to also be named Bloodgor, Tzaangor I don't remember if they had another name

[barren tapir]

We roughly know where it is

[dusk patrol]

That’s still not a lot to make a whole faction off

[celest dome]

There is also Ghor Half Horn

[deft sedge]

yes

[dusk patrol]

I could see a special

[deft sedge]

there is also him

he is sweet

[weak fossil]

@barren tapir said it was in the north-west quadrant of segmentum solaris, nearish Hydraphur

[deft sedge]

got a lil cigar

these are kitbashes but sweet

[dusk patrol]

Not sure where we’re getting that info

[celest dome]

If they make other factions they most likely are going to the other Gods, make the most sense

[deft sedge]

wonder how they did the backwards legs

[dusk patrol]

I could see them making maybe like one beastman special or a model

Probably for Khorne

But a whole faction is a stretch

[celest dome]

Didn't Hedge say where it wasn't on the map, and people though he said the inverse ?

[dusk patrol]

Especially considering everyone fucking hated beastmen in VT

[deft sedge]

everyone hated weaves too and they went hard on that

[still pecan]

I mean, i kind of doubt Slaneesh and Tzeentch is hard to do justice, so it would be big old angry red then

[deft sedge]

sad really

[dusk patrol]

I got no clue, I just don’t get where people are getting the location from

[celest dome]

Oh I just want normal cultist and worshipper of Khorne/Tzeentch/Slaanesh, not Beastmen

[mystic geyser]

There's a bunch of lore in the dev blog

[dusk patrol]

They didn’t, it’s basically been ignored since it came out, with them barely updating it, likely because they kinda have to after charging so much for it

[celest dome]

Not really, they didn't really do much with the weave apart from keeping it alive

[shadow plover]

in the Luetin lore video in cooperation with Fatshark prior launch I think he said the sector is in galactic north west, so close to cadia and all that jazz

[weak fossil]

Me either

[mystic geyser]

(None of which jumps out in the game, but is there if you listen)

[dusk patrol]

I’m not saying it doesn’t make sense for it to be near the Halo Stars either I’m just questioning where people are getting that info

[dusk patrol]

Well that would make more sense

[dusk patrol]

I don’t recall the dev blogs referencing location is my point

[weak fossil]

Tzeentch is hard to do justice, because implementing mind-bending non-euclidean geometry is hard. If you haven't tried it already, play antichamber. It's a great game.

[mystic geyser]

I swear I heard one voice line reference the sector, and it wasn't one I recognised, but I didn't note it down

[dusk patrol]

I got no clue that’s why I’m asking

[weak fossil]

Slaanesh is hard to do justice, because getting exposed genitalia past a ratings agency is impossible.

[celest dome]

It still possible, it's mostly the elites, specials and Monster that would give the proper aspect, with the low units bsaically being recolours with another particularity compared to the Scab and the Dregs

[celest dome]

Slaanesh isn't just sex

Or BDSM

[dusk patrol]

Slaanesh is easy to do without just making it “boobies!”

[mystic geyser]

But it helps

😂

[celest dome]

It help if you want to attract a certain kind of player base

Other wise not so much

[mystic geyser]

Tbf I already feel pretty abused by mutants, hounds, trappers and the beast.

Don't want worse

Slaanesh hasn't really got much in 40k outside of marines I can think of

Not as developed as nurgle or tzeentch

Like ofc you can have different colour cultists..

[weak fossil]

Nobody really wants that. The game is pretty great as it is. They have ample opportunity to build great stories off the setting they've made. It'll be fine.

[deft sedge]

wdym? they got same daemon setup as other big 3

[celest dome]

Did the Emperor's Children already get their special Codex ?

[deft sedge]

i mean, shittier, not going to argue with that

[mystic geyser]

Nah

[deft sedge]

nah upcoming though

[mystic geyser]

Well we only have One daemon in the game so far

So filling out nurgle makes more sense

[celest dome]

Technically 3

Beast, Tree and the corruptors

Forgot the name of the tree though

[dusk patrol]

Daemonhost might as well count

[celest dome]

Now would the Poxwalker count ?

[dusk patrol]

It’s not 100% the same but like

[deft sedge]

slaanesh you can do in video games, Total War's proved it

they made them more androgyne

[celest dome]

Plaguebeaerer would be a good Elite for the Dreg, taking the place of the Scab Mauler

[mystic geyser]

Daemonettes could work as a tide enemy... but you couldn't do the temptation aspect of them well... difficult

[celest dome]

You don't need it

[dusk patrol]

Daemonettes would have to be a special or elite

[celest dome]

Same as you don't need the Plague aura that Plaguebearer or other Daemon have

[weak fossil]

It's a host with a chaos daemon in it. Yep, that counts. Does the beast of Nurgle count? I don't know anything about that from lore

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[celest dome]

It's gameplay > lore, but with important lore

[mystic geyser]

Beast of Nurgle is a classic daemon

Everyone who sees one will eventually be executed, sorry.

Maybe mind wiped if you are lucky.

And after every mind wipe you wake up in a jail cell...

[dusk patrol]

Realistically our dudes should all be dead after fighting a beast of Nurgle

It’s a vidya game at the end of the day

[weak fossil]

ooh, that's deliciously morbid.

[mystic geyser]

Wait that's how the intro makes sense.. every prisoner is given the same memories in the psykanium

[dusk patrol]

I doubt in “canon” our dudes are actually fighting the massive hordes we do of traitor guardsmen and cultists

[mystic geyser]

How else could all these prisoners have saved the same person at the same time

[deft sedge]

honestly not necessary
they dont do the despair part of nurgle either

or the happy part

sadly

[mystic geyser]

"I think it vants to play"

[celest dome]

Not anymore, that's older times

[dusk patrol]

They do the despair part

[deft sedge]

cash shop doesn’t count

lol

[timid ferry]

Realistically, our characters should have died right out the gate. Only the Ogryn and psyker would really stand a chance (and would probably die before getting to the halfway point)

[celest dome]

The Poxwalkers sometime ask you to help them

[ruby sparrow]

40k lore question. Do the commisars of krieg guardsmen regiments actually hold the krieg lads back from ungabungaing too hard

[dusk patrol]

No

Thats memelore

[celest dome]

More of a meme

[mystic geyser]

Easiet job in the guard

[ruby sparrow]

Huh

[mystic geyser]

Unlike the poor Catachan commisars

[dusk patrol]

They actually shot their commissars and retreated during a very tough charge on Vraks

[celest dome]

The Krieg are well disciplined and wouldn't waste men for nothing

[weak fossil]

In canon, yeah, an untrained psyker that has any semblance of sanity, in combination with a grunt-level guardsman, an ogryn, and a member of the ecclesiarchy who did something heretical enough to warrant a jail cell..

[vast frigate]

[barren tapir]

AH AH! Found a reliable source about eh place of the moebian domain

[signal bramble]

One of the crimes for the preacher is calling out your superiors for being too fat and greedy, forgetting their duty Big E.

[vast frigate]

[weak fossil]

Please share? 🙂

[signal bramble]

I chose the highly trained super religious guardian on the shrine world who questioned his superiors for being too greedy and got jailed. Since I chose the super zealous judge voice pack it works. XD

[vast frigate]

🙏

[mystic geyser]

"Corpse Starch taste funny"

• straight to space jail

[timid ferry]

Zealot: “The Emperor smiles upon the frugal” High ranking priest: “Indeed! So live life frugally from a cell!”

[barren tapir]

#general-chat message

[signal bramble]

The excesses of the higher ranking ecclesiarchy members is document in quite a few books.

[mystic geyser]

I was about to check my heresy map, but then remembered Munda has been moved...

[barren tapir]

Now, if we do that we end up relatively near hydraphur

[barren tapir]

That was armageddon

[mystic geyser]

Ah yeah

[timid ferry]

I’m not surprised. That’s how it works irl as well

[mystic geyser]

Renamed.. Angelis?

[barren tapir]

No, armageddon is the renamed name

It was called ulanor before

[signal bramble]

Behold. All the difficulty 4 (Heresy missions) are gone. We’ve wiped out all heresy, we really are the warhammer 40k.

[mystic geyser]

I mean Necromunda

[barren tapir]

Ah, araneus

[mystic geyser]

Araneus Prime..

[barren tapir]

Yes

[ruby sparrow]

We did it boys. Heresy is no more

[barren tapir]

Capital of the Araneus Continuity

[dusk patrol]

So it’s near Agripina

[signal bramble]

Maybe the real Darktide is the friends we made along the way.

[barren tapir]

It is still within the segmentum solar

[dusk patrol]

If you trace it with a line it could be that or Obscurus

[weak fossil]

@dusk patrol So it's somewhere between Terra and Agripinaa, outside of the warp-storm, nearby to Hydraphur, according to the devs. Cool 🙂

[barren tapir]

We know it is within the segmentum solar by the Luetin video

[dusk patrol]

That makes it even weirder that it’s being ignored but oh well

[mystic geyser]

So makes sense Cadians ending up there

[barren tapir]

On some maps Necromunda is slightly more on the right, so it end more close to hydraphur, of course close in galactic scale

[mystic geyser]

What are the other planets ?

[dusk patrol]

Made up

[timid ferry]

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0y1d6IIpY how it works irl, with food at least. Lots of rule bending

[dusk patrol]

For the purposes of the game

[barren tapir]

Maybe unstable warp routes is the reason

[dusk patrol]

They’re within the Domain

[dusk patrol]

I guess but you’d think they’d say that.

[weak fossil]

Solid link searching right there. Thank you very much!

[dusk patrol]

The way it’s implied in game is there’s no one to call

[barren tapir]

They said to not expect external help, the reasons seems to be foggy for everyone, even ingame

[dusk patrol]

On thing worth noting, I’m not sure Hedge is being serious with the statement

[weak fossil]

I mean, you draw a line from necromunda through sol to the equidistant point, it's pretty close to the warp storms surrounding Cadia

[dusk patrol]

But it’s a rough idea and I’ll take it, idc

[signal bramble]

Yup.

Though my point was that the preacher can be a highly trained and disciplined soldier who ran afoul of the wrong person.

Same thing with the veteran, you can pick a highly trained schola graduate who didn’t move out of the way of a high ranking officer or politician in time and got thrown in jail.

But then again, another popular trope is some rando with no training or experience ends up in a horrible situation and becomes a badass.

It happens in the Catachan Devil novel and sort of in the Dawn of Fire series.

[ruby sparrow]

So i assume autoguns are in the style of traditional assault rifles, lasguns are energy weapons, plasma guns fire plasma hot stuff at the risk of overheating and exploding, bolters shoot high caliber and exploding shots...

And hellbores are the lasgun equivalent of a fucking musket

[deft sedge]

pretty much

bolters shoot gyrojet rounds specifically

[celest dome]

Small Rpg

[deft sedge]

lasguns fire las. only make the distinction because there's lots of energy weapons that aren't lasguns

like volkite

[celest dome]

Lasers

[ruby sparrow]

Yeh

And autoguns are basically just a somewhat better version of modern guns

[deft sedge]

yeah it's a catch all term

fire caseless though

[ruby sparrow]

Cool

Also what fucking caliber is the revolver in darktide

[deft sedge]

"stupid caliber" haha

the agripinaa autogun is 8.25 mm

[ruby sparrow]

Like the revolver blows off goddamn limbs

[mystic geyser]

Satisfying

[ruby sparrow]

Are we sure this isnt an anti material rifle disguised as a revolver

[celest dome]

Is the Revolver a Stubber or an Autogun
Since it's a 2 time Revolver

[mystic geyser]

Can't find much lore on stub guns, but the main point is they are all different

[ruby sparrow]

Stubber

Inquisitors giving convicts some fun toys though

[celest dome]

I'm hoping the Ogryn get a Revolver like Heavy Stubber

[barren tapir]

That is not a normal stubber or revolter though

That is a goliath hand cannon

[celest dome]

Yes, but in the hand of an Ogryn that would just act as a normal Revolver

[deft sedge]

it's a slugthrower

[ruby sparrow]

I want a goddamn three shot pepperbox flintlock style gun for vet

Just to finnish my harrier du bois drip

[trim ridge]

Just heard someone call Grendyl a vtuber and I'm struggling rn

[ruby sparrow]

The inquisitor...

[brittle slate]

That’s fucking hilarious

[deft sedge]

just learned what a vtuber is

wild

[full bane]

What crime did you get arrested for harry?
"I went on a drunk bender, jumped the platoon's chimera off a bridge and into the Ork encampment, lived amongst them for a week drinking their booze, and obliterated my mind... I led my squad to victory afterwards but they said it was still insubordination"

[ruby sparrow]

Harry would be the type to go in and dismantle a slaaneshi cult but not before getting high off his goddamn ass first.

[steady sparrow]

i still don't know the strength of a space marine compared to a imperial guardsman

how many guardsmen would it take to take down a space marine?

20? 10 if they're really good at cooperation?

[brittle slate]

One if they're the right one

[normal stream]

How well can you roll your dice?

[brittle slate]

hundreds if they aren't

[deft sedge]

lol

[full bane]

As always, it depends.

[deft sedge]

do the Guardsmen have names in this example

is the Space Marine a named character

if the Space Marine has a name he wins

[normal stream]

I mean, a bunch of kids throwing rocks at a wave serpent blew it up 😂

[deft sedge]

CS Goto should write every codex this edition

[normal stream]

Multilaser era

[steady sparrow]

OH SHIT YOU MADE ME REMEMBER HIM

i was trying to remember what writer kept writing about everyone using the same weapon

[full bane]

A well trained and experienced marine can solo multiple platoons of guardsmen without breaking a sweat, especially if he has protag power.
At the same time, some nameless schmuck Astartes will eat a lasbolt through the lens of his helmet and into his brain, either killing him or putting him into a sus-ain membrane coma, when faced with a named protagonist guardsman.

[normal stream]

I have a theory he was a chimera spam player who was upset that his multilasers were pretty lackluster

Back when 40k was parking lots

[storm jungle]

It legit takes some talent being the only BL writer in 30 years since 40k was made to actually get the boot.

[deft sedge]

I think they grew him in a lab to write the Dawn of War novels

[storm jungle]

Though I know there is examples of BL writers being tired of the studio and leaving too but not the same thing prob

[deft sedge]

and damn they DIDNT fire Ian Watson

[normal stream]

Wait he actually got the boot?

[normal stream]

This tbh

[steady sparrow]

i'm trying to answer the space marine question analytically
which is borderline impossible to do it in an universe as inconsistent as this one

[storm jungle]

He was very hostile with the fanbase and his books were universally disliked, after that GW kinda more or less dropped him yeah.

[normal stream]

Thr most analytical you can get is mathhammer

[normal stream]

Neat!

[steady sparrow]

how many shots do you believe it takes to take down a space marine

[deft sedge]

CS Goto writes technical manuals for microwaves now

[steady sparrow]

lasgun shots

[normal stream]

Guardsmen hit on 4+ right? Lasgun wounds on 5+ (vs T4)?

SM are 3+ 2W?

[deft sedge]

I bought a microwave last week and it said plain as day
"press main button to engage multilasers and Wave Serpent your food to the correct temperature"

[brittle slate]

yeah almost all of them have left

they still do one offs

but seem to be generally pissed at management

[deft sedge]

it must suck ass to write for BL

[full bane]

Why would you tbh, the man wrote the first novel and helped set the tone early on, even if he had his own distinct take on the setting which didn't gel with what it was shaping up to be.

[storm jungle]

It extremely does

like

I forgot who it was but uh

one author posted every rejected book idea on twitter for a single like/retweet

holy fuck there was A LOT

[deft sedge]

i can imagine, you gotta write the most boilerplate trite ass stories

and you have to read their lore bible which you know has to be ridiculous

[brittle slate]

and remember: space marine is money

[deft sedge]

and you gotta throw everything in front of the suits for endless revisions

and you probably get paid dick

[storm jungle]

Its also because unless you are a part of the Old Guard like Gav or Abnett you are going to get bossed around A LOT.

And have your work edited to oblivion with proofreaders and whatnot.

Also half the books you write are impossible to tell how they did

because GW sites have no review options

[deft sedge]

also they make them sign NDA

[storm jungle]

so its entirely down to sales etc

[deft sedge]

which sucks ass for your CV

[brittle slate]

same with w+

no credit

just like their modelers

[storm jungle]

Lmao

the modelers is because uh

people harassed Ward so much back in the day that they entirely removed a large chunk of codex credits

So you cant pick a target/person that worked on it to harp about it

[deft sedge]

damn Ward

thanks Obama

he's not responsible for this but I still will blame it on him retroactively because Ultramarines

[full bane]

He is however responsible for Kerilian.

[storm jungle]

Oh shut up, Kerillian is fine.

Stop being upset because an elf bad-talked you

[full bane]

It helps to look at this and the Centurions and realize that there's somebody out there making goofy stuff for marines, handing it to a fluff writer in a room and going "This is a Space Marine Space Marine, it's the best. Put it in the codex."

[ruby sparrow]

Honestly harrier du bous in wh 40k might be accurately portrayed as a psyker

[deft sedge]

I do like that Kerillian is scottish. all they need is to make her a skag addict

[full bane]

Never said she wasn't :P

[storm jungle]

Sus

[full bane]

Just pointing out that Ward's contributions aren't all cringe.

[deft sedge]

"where's me giro, sub us then mate" - Kerillian

[storm jungle]

people always are shocked when someone tells them Ward wrote like all the plot/dialogue for VT1-2

its liek

yes

he is a good writer

[full bane]

And Battlefleet Gothic Armada too.

[storm jungle]

Yeah he was just a nerd at the time

[ruby sparrow]

Ward good he just eept

Eepy

[deft sedge]

man the second game got abandoned hard

sad

battlefleet gothic needs more rep it's cool as hell

[full bane]

The rumor was that the Space Marine codex he did was meant to be an Ultramarines codex for the previous edition. Hence the intense fixation of Ultramarines and the Codex Astartes.

[ruby sparrow]

Also uh, honestly in wh40k harrier might just fall under a radical inquisitor.

[deft sedge]

people talk about the Ultramarines codex but his true sin was the 7e Daemons codex for WHFB

[steady sparrow]

what is a nova cannon

[deft sedge]

big banger goes on a ship

makes go boom

[full bane]

And ADB mentioned on his reddit account that most of Ward's perceived failures weren't entirely the fault of his own writing but also the decrees from upper management.

[steady sparrow]

that i know

i mean the details

or as much details as you can get on a futuristic nonexistent gun

[deft sedge]

it looks like this

it shoots different stuff

plasma, gravity, warp rifts

[barren tapir]

Pretty sure that that is a lance, not a nova cannon

[steady sparrow]

that photo is from 1d4chan's article in the nova cannon

if it is it ain't sauce's mistake

[deft sedge]

no, that is a nova cannon mounted on a Dominator-class cruiser

[barren tapir]

👍🏻

[deft sedge]

you can tell it's a nova by the greeblies on the side

[barren tapir]

I expected to be a bit more bulkier, since they shoot big explosives

[steady sparrow]

the thingamajigs

[full bane]

Ah Nova Cannons, the reason why we don't have range "guess" anymore.

Well one of them anyway

[ruby sparrow]

Do inquisitors also function as detectives to some extent or am i just eepy

[deft sedge]

yes

[full bane]

They do.

[deft sedge]

like in Eisenhorn or Ravenor novels

they're looking for a spooky mystery

[steady sparrow]

making them space detectives lets you make detective novels in 40k

that's cool if you ask me

[deft sedge]

inquisitor is like a mix of, well, an inquisitor, a noir detective, and the travelling judges from the Holy Roman Empire

and some degree of Batman

[rose thorn]

im so excited for the cypher book!

[brittle slate]

a space artillery canon that's a rail gun style super weapon

[dusk patrol]

Trusting 1d4chan for lore is always a mistake

Sometimes they’re right but it’s still a bad plan

[brittle slate]

it's that thing on the front

[deft sedge]

only get your lore from your finest lore decanters

[brittle slate]

https://tenor.com/view/vino-gif-3376721

[dusk patrol]

More like almost any source but the cringe that is 1d4chan

It’s like lore sewage

[deft sedge]

that's why you should go to #40k-lore-chat in the Darktide Official Discord

that's where all the real lore is kept

[ruby sparrow]

How much shit can an inquisitor get away with as long as they get the job done?

[dusk patrol]

I’d rather people link some random forum page than 1d4chan

[ruby sparrow]

Ie in terms of behaviour

[deft sedge]

middling to large

basically there's always a bigger fish

[dusk patrol]

As much as the Imperium allows

Generally though going full heretic doesn’t end well

[mystic geyser]

@ruby sparrow like a lot. Usually you have to fuck up a lot before other Inquisitors notice

[ruby sparrow]

Like if an inquisitor snorts crack in a slaaneshi cult den before taking out the cult...

[deft sedge]

you don't snort crack

lmfao

[mystic geyser]

Though you might get Witch Hunters after you

[ruby sparrow]

Er snorts cocaine

[deft sedge]

everyone look this guy's never smoked crack before

what are you some kind of success

[steady sparrow]

you could summon a demon if you're a inquisitor
under special circumstances and with precautions but still

[storm jungle]

The golden rule of being an Inquisitor that deals with other Inquisitors in fear of being ousted/executed is:

ALWAYS have an excuse

[deft sedge]

saved Ol' Gregor on Cadia

[ruby sparrow]

So as long as the inquisitor doesnt fuck up way too hard or go too heretic or get reported they can get away with a lot as long as you have a reason

[dusk patrol]

And the golden rule for almost all open ended 40k questions: It depends

[deft sedge]

when he was about to get Performance Reviewed

[dusk patrol]

It’s always it depends

[storm jungle]

Yep. As long as your Lords are understanding and you did the ""right"" thing they will let you off the hook

or as Eternal says they will say you are a fuck up at the smallest mistake

[ruby sparrow]

So a harrier du bois type inquisitor could actually exist

[deft sedge]

no because he is a licensed property of ZA/UM

[ruby sparrow]

I mean in terms of behaviour

[deft sedge]

unfortunately the one thing that is very not ok ever in Warhammer is licensed media

the Inquisition will splat your ass for that

that's why you never see Darth Vader in there either

[mystic geyser]

The one rule that can't be broken, even by the Inquisition

[ruby sparrow]

Like "hes constantly drunk, hes often high, but he gets the job done"

[mystic geyser]

Been a long time since the likes of Inquisitor obiwan sherlock clousseau

[celest dome]

I mean, Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau does exist

[deft sedge]

actually

[dusk patrol]

Does he though?

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/smirk-spongebob-spongebob-squarepants-silly-smile-gif-4953511

"acktually"

[ruby sparrow]

The ordo redactus will neither confirm or deny the existance of that inquisitor

[mystic geyser]

I think we can safely put him in the no longer Canon box...

[deft sedge]

"but everything is canon but not everything is true"

inspector gadget is 40k

[mystic geyser]

Though things sometimes slip back out. Like the half eldar ultramarine, came back as an eldar ambassador to the ultramarines

[ruby sparrow]

Also "sussus-amogus" isnt blocked by the games name filter

[storm jungle]

Less Ultramarines more just Guilliman

[ruby sparrow]

Just sneaking that in here

[storm jungle]

because he has enough braincells to actually talk to smart people that arent just humans

[deft sedge]

i preferred guilliman when all he did was write the Space Book

i don't like all this resurrected guilliman malarkey

[mystic geyser]

It'll be a bold Black Library author that brings Inquisitor Closseu back

[dusk patrol]

I preferred 40k back when it was Rogue Trader

[mystic geyser]

Maybe that's Grendyls real name

[ruby sparrow]

"Sir why havent the ultramarines moved their forces" "Because theyre arguing over the codex astartes" "Sir, its been a karking month"

[deft sedge]

listen if space book says bad then is bad

BOOK

https://tenor.com/view/book-of-grudges-total-war-warhammer-dwarfs-dwarf-vengeance-gif-19626646

[ruby sparrow]

Its like having a dnd session and the entire session being derailed by someone trying to use a bag of ball bearings and the catapult spell as a fuckin shotgun

"The codex RAW does not support this action"

[signal bramble]

Sometimes you have to get creative with the interpretations.

My paladin once made a drunk man sober using the cure poison ability.

[ruby sparrow]

Also speaking of warhammer fantasy is the joke about stirland that theyre bri'ish

[minor bluff]

My bard once managed to seduce a damn plant

[signal bramble]

Because they drank all the T?

https://tenor.com/view/see-myself-out-gif-14903880

[ruby sparrow]

That theyre british

Is that the joke

Whats the deal with stirland

[deft sedge]

what

sir are you ok

do not redeem

[ruby sparrow]

Aeugh

No seriously whats the deal with stirland in wh fantasy

[deft sedge]

no seriously, what are you asking

stirland is a spooky backwater

its got vampires in it

its not based on Britain

[ruby sparrow]

Oh ok. Its just spooky backwater with vampires. Phew. I was worried that they might be briish

[deft sedge]

if anything it’s transylvania or maybe hungary

[ruby sparrow]

Good

[deft sedge]

probably a little bohemia in there too

w the yellow

[ruby sparrow]

Look i had a shitty sleep last night. And the night before

[dusk patrol]

You can just google this stuff you know

[crisp heath]

At times I kinda wish kruber and saltzpyre had had vaguely german accents instead of vaguely british ones

[ruby sparrow]

Fair point

[deft sedge]

everyone should have had edinburgh or glesgie accents

proper jambo cunts

[rose thorn]

whos a character that you hope gets more lore in warhamemr?

[dusk patrol]

I don’t think it matters since most won’t exist in the new stuff

And idc about the Elgi

[fresh trout]

Wait huh?

[dusk patrol]

They already got enough

[dusk patrol]

It takes place hundreds of years prior

[fresh trout]

Ah, I see. Didn't know the context. Thanks.

[rose thorn]

tbh i want Illuminor Szeras to get a book

[dusk patrol]

Oh you mean 40k

[rose thorn]

yeah

i mean in AOS/fantasy too

[dusk patrol]

Typhus, Imotekh, Iron Hands, Raven Guard

[rose thorn]

but im still learning that and idk much about them

[dusk patrol]

Mordian Iron Guard

[rose thorn]

OH Yeah i lvoe typhus in the luther book, i wann a learn more about him

[dusk patrol]

It is weird he doesn’t have a book

All the other big four champions have one

Or multiple in the case of Kharn and Ahriman

[rose thorn]

he has a short story or 2

[deft sedge]

Slambo

[dusk patrol]

He mostly appears in other stories

[rose thorn]

wHO???

i just looked hjim up lmao and he looks like chaos warrior but green

[rose thorn]

ah, he seems to be full of personality

[dusk patrol]

He’s fun

His Lords of Silence appearance is great

He also goes on a tear during uh

Whatever was before Godblight

[ruby sparrow]

https://regimental-standard.com/2021/07/21/is-your-bunkmate-an-ork-kommando/

[spark relic]

he's in Lords of Silence?

[ruby sparrow]

Is that an official website

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[rose thorn]

tbh i have no clue how you would write a deathguard book post HH

[dusk patrol]

He has a scene

[ruby sparrow]

Thats not a shitpost

[dusk patrol]

Well read Lords of Silence

And you’ll see how

[ruby sparrow]

That up there is an official website right

[spark relic]

LoS is a great book you should read it NOW

[dusk patrol]

It’s a meme article

They do a lot of those

They’re jokes

[ruby sparrow]

Still funny

[dusk patrol]

It do be

[rose thorn]

ok ok ill do it after i finish luther first of the fallen

god its so good

i love the falllen/order/ waht ever50 nick names they have

[ruby sparrow]

Peak bureaucracy

Also do necron have stupidly long lists of titles like setra (tomb king)

[deft sedge]

yeah some

there is a settra expy in 40k

lord hasmoteph

[ruby sparrow]

Yeee

Also yeah these articles are gold

"They have abhorrent posture"

[deft sedge]

oldcrons

so good

[ruby sparrow]

This is shitpost tier shitty propoganda

[signal bramble]

There’s also some bits in the uplifting primer that ork muscles are just for show and a bayonet to the neck will take them out ez.

[meager zinc]

The correct term would be silhouettes, not shadows 😎

[ruby sparrow]

This one got me grinning

[meager zinc]

Whos making these?

[ruby sparrow]

https://regimental-standard.com/2021/07/21/is-your-bunkmate-an-ork-kommando/

That website has em

[signal bramble]

GW

[ruby sparrow]

Theyre official shitposts then

[meager zinc]

These are great

[dusk patrol]

Yeah it’s their official site

[signal bramble]

40k’s setting does have the potential for some shit posts which surprisingly makes sense in context.

[dusk patrol]

There’s one of how to tell a traitor vs loyalist marine

Which is amusing

[ruby sparrow]

The cadia one is just

[meager zinc]

Man being an oldhead, seeing the term "shitpost" change into what it is now is still weird lolll

[ruby sparrow]

"Free of military sprawl, its more spread out, no xenos presence, easier commute to the eye pf terror"

[meager zinc]

Hahaaha that ones good

Any black crusade report: IT xxxx WAS xxxxxxx STOPPED xxxxxxxx.

[ruby sparrow]

"Every one of us is doomed to damnation" being sloppily redacted. The redaction is so sloppy you can make out parts of it