#40k-lore-chat
ruby sparrow
storm jungle
Throneside is fucking GORGEOUS
signal bramble
Plus the hive is an active warzone so we have to see.
Did you see the statues of the space marines?
mossy mortar
Don't forget the entire elaborate gilded church that they put in just for you to gawk ar
ruby sparrow
i wish there was a way to explore maps without combat non canon
just so I could take in all the environmental details
because the little details and the environment are gorgeous but theyre hard to look at when I have an anti-vaxxer convention trying to cave my skull in with pipes
timid ferry
You can still do that. Just ignore the mission. There was one where I had a great time running through hab blocks. They were basically metal rooms with a bed here and there. Bleak
Oh, without the zombies. :/ yeah that would be great
weak fossil
Had a fun moment where my mates and I were traipsing through a level, then someone actually paid attention to the level design and said "Wait... look at the rooms, we're clearing a massive torture complex" :S
signal bramble
But how are the beasts of nurgle breaking out of the tiny rooms though. My immersion!
ruby sparrow
Its not just that, as much as witcfinder is sick and tired of me doing this, the chaos runes and stuff can be translated
hell, I can recognize a certain chaos rune phrase at a glance
brittle slate
But how are the beasts of nurgle breaking out of the tiny rooms though. My immer...
Warp.
ruby sparrow
the beasts of nurgle simply are built different on a subatomic level
hey at least theyre not spitting you outside the map
mossy mortar
Oh st the start of one of the levels i enjoyed the little mechanic dude banging on some sort of power box lol
weak fossil
Beasts of Nurgle are a liquid, like cats, but more pustulent.
signal bramble
They’re also supposed to be super friendly and joyful when they attack people. Beasts of Nurgle were created to have the mindset of a tiny puppy that just wants to play. But they’re super violent and vicious when they do so.
weak fossil
because the little details and the environment are ***gorgeous*** but theyre har...
Also, lol.
rustic spruce
i know the brontian longknives fight shirtless
don't think that pain themselves blue in any capacity
mossy mortar
Very english of them
cerulean wagon
mossy mortar
vocal drum
will there ever be like a war hammer 50k? or 60k?
civic hatch
Why are tech priests not considered heretics when the Imperium holds a monotheistic, God emperor is Mans only God, idea?
storm jungle
Why are tech priests not considered heretics when the Imperium holds a monotheis...
Okay so
civic hatch
Because tech priests believe and worship an omnissiah or the tech god or whatever. Machine spirit.
storm jungle
Imagine right
You are an atheist
but your roommate is a super smart technician/christian
are you gonna question his faith or piss him off when he is the only person that can fix your car for free
civic hatch
Ah ok so it's kinda like tech priests r valuable, so we use them
storm jungle
Yeah exactly
storm jungle
Also the Martian Priesthood literally handles
EVERYTHING mechanical in the Imperium
its why Big E worked with them during the Crusade
and a good portion of the mechanicus treat Big E like Jesus
hence the Omnissiah part
meanwhile the Machine God is the deity above him, as they see Big E like the machine god's avatar more or less
naturally not all techpriests think like this but its a larger majority still
civic hatch
Oh so machine god is higher than the emperor? I don't know much about this uni
storm jungle
Yeah its the entire deal
like the whole Messiah/Jesus + God part with christianity
and admech is everywhere in imperial society where machines are involved
they are integrated heavily
civic hatch
Wait so is the omnissiah the emperor or machine spirit
civic hatch
Oh shit no shot!
slender orchid
Dil, you make it sound like you don't know much about Christianity.
slender orchid
oh, 7pm here
civic hatch
Hey I appreciate it
🚪
civic hatch
I had no idea omnissiah was big E. So when hadron says "praise the omnissiah" she's recognizing big E
I also didn't know tech priests acknowledged big Es importance and such. Real neat
slender orchid
Christianity has the holy trinity, Father (God), Son (Jesus), and Holy Ghost. The Machine Cult/Mechanicus has THEIR holy trinity of Machine God, Omnissiah (Emperor), and Machine Spirit
Supposedly all are three sides of the same coin. But just like Christianity there are different sects in the Mechanicus.
As long as they all acknowledge Big E as Omnissiah, they get left alone.
civic hatch
As long as they all acknowledge Big E as Omnissiah, they get left alone.
Oh so the sects that don't, are hunted huh
slender orchid
But the schism of the Horus Heresy (and Titanicus) is that some say Big E is not divine. That he is a liar and a fraud who is just really smart and has access to ancient tech.
slender orchid
Oh so the sects that don't, are hunted huh
Oh yeah. Obliterated by Mars and the Inquisition. Even the ones who quietly don't believe normally acknowledge that the Mechanicus NEEDS the Imperium, and the Imperium NEEDS the Mechanicus. Anythign that drives a wedge between them dooms humanity
civic hatch
Yeah but he was created from a bunch of old ass psykers. Has unlimited life and was made to lead humans forever. So really humans made their own God back in the day, big E?
Like before big E there was no human God?
civic hatch
Ah ok yeah I get that
storm jungle
Yeah the only reasonable explanation you can make is "God isn't real because a planet worth of humans couldnt have conjured him up"
Christianity is SOMETIMES mentioned in 40k but rarely
mossy mortar
Christianity has the holy trinity, Father (God), Son (Jesus), and Holy Ghost. Th...
Not quite, it's machine god, omnissiah, and the motive force
slender orchid
The Machine God is seen as the font of all knowledge, all technology, all advancement. Mechanicus believes organic life is a form of technology too, hence biologians. The Machine Spirit is the Animus that gives all technology "life", and facets of it are the individual spirits of individual machines (your car/tank seeming cantankerous but hard working, your computer whirring when you watch inappropriate stuff dissaprovingly, etc)
mossy mortar
Literally father, son, and holy spirit
Machine spirits are the animistic spirits of machines that are appeased when you perform thr correct rituals
slender orchid
Omnissiah is seen as the Jesus figure who enacts the Machine God's will, his messenger and avatar in the physical world. Big E literally healed a Knight by touching it when he showed up on Mars.
civic hatch
So besides the four chaos Gods are there any Gods that are confirmed by GW?
storm jungle
A few
mossy mortar
There's a fifth chaos god
civic hatch
Oh Jesus (bigE) nevermind
mossy mortar
Maybe more
grave lantern
Yo I know I shouldn't be asking this in this chat but Im not getting an answer on general so can someone say when this game is coming out on console cuz I only have a series x
civic hatch
Who is wrong? In the grand scheme of things, are the chaos Gods technically what humans "should" worship? Or is the man made Big E correct per se
mossy mortar
Yo I know I shouldn't be asking this in this chat but Im not getting an answer o...
Nobody knows
grave lantern
Nobody knows
poop
slender orchid
Yeah but he was created from a bunch of old ass psykers. Has unlimited life and ...
Old lore was more open about this, but they have shied away from it in the past decade and a half or so. Old lore was Big E was made when every single shaman, witch, warlock, wiseman/woman on the planet ritually sacrificed themselves in the Stone Age. He was every major God in every pagan Pantheon. Zeus, Ra, Ebisu, etc. The other perpetuals were the other gods. This has a tendency to offend people so they have quietly walked away from it.
civic hatch
Well I've heard they all represent bad and good. Nurgle is rot and decay, but also endurance and rebirth or something? Big E is a man made God that couldn't stop his artificial son, he's kinda fake? Obviously chaos are laying waste to humans but that's because from their pov the Imperium are heretics or loyalists.
storm jungle
Well I've heard they all represent bad and good. Nurgle is rot and decay, but al...
The chaos gods are basically incredibly strong parasitic/paranormal entities that feed on the worship of sentient creatures in the galaxy.
In return they just give you mutations and demon powers as long as you prove useful. They prey on the weakminded or thrall people into their worship.
The chaos gods are not good.
Or display any good "virtues."
In the end to them you are just a slave to darkness
mossy mortar
Old lore was more open about this, but they have shied away from it in the past ...
And they did that because before for thousands of years of human prehistory the shamans were able to reincarnate after desth and guide mankind, but growing turbulence in the warp made it so soon they would not be able to anymore
And they foretold the coming darkness of chaos
mossy mortar
In the end to them you are just a slave to darkness
Also the name of an early Rogue Trader book!
storm jungle
Also the name of an early Rogue Trader book!
Was intentional because I do love the term 🙏
mossy mortar
Sns i think a metal album
civic hatch
I'm gunna assume the warp is where everything came from..there is no God that came before everything else? The warp created the Gods so the warp is technically the one true beginning?
slender orchid
Ostensibly they are beings formed from metaphysical concepts. When things were in balance once, they didn't technically exist, or at least weren't EVIIILLLL. The War in Heaven, this big event that saw the Old Ones fight the Necrontyr (with the Old Ones making the Slaan, Eldar, and Krorks to fight for them) "poisoned the warp" and "made" Khorne, Tzeentch, and Nurgle by empowering the negative aspects so much they took on conscious form. Or at least, that was the OLD stuff.
mossy mortar
No the warp is an alternate dimension disturbed by the emotiond of sapient beings
mossy mortar
It exists orthogonal to our reality
Hsve you ever heard of the flatland thought experiment
civic hatch
I'm with the Imperium. I don't care about nuthin else xept flatt'nun rotties.
civic hatch
Don talk to me bout da heresy. Don wan here it
slender orchid
There's a fifth chaos god
lol. Malal/Malice being canon. Then the plan to have him be the master of the Tyranids using the accumulation of life force to return to warp and reclaim his spot as a god. Too bad he is officially not part of Warhammer due to Copyright issues anymore :(.
civic hatch
I kill small'uns. Simple as.
For the emp'ruh
I'll never be able to/want to understand it now that I know the creators won't make up their mind about what happened in their fictional universe in fear of offending atheists christians and Mormons. Kinda puts me off from learning because it's kinda for naught it seems. Still cool stuff, if u look at smaller picture like my Zealot and Veteran 🙂🙂
storm jungle
No like
they do know what happens
they just dont touch IRL subjects because its way too controversial lol
also making Jesus in 40k Big E aka a fascist tyrant that just used it as a guise before moving onto another historic figure would be bad
and that is just one example
mossy mortar
I'll never be able to/want to understand it now that I know the creators won't m...
Uh what
slender orchid
^Dil speaks truth
It IS supposed to be an enjoyable fictional reality we play wargames in.
Naming the leader of the Orks after Margaret Thatcher is kind of the limit of offensiveness GW is shooting for
civic hatch
What's the leader of the orks name
mossy mortar
I can't tell how much of this is kayfabe vs actually dumb
storm jungle
theres a reason the creators were like "No we totally didnt name Ghaz after Thatcher" in recent interviews
slender orchid
Ghazghull Mag Uruk Thraka (Mag uruk Thraka = Margaret Thatcher)
timid ferry
Considering 40k takes some of it’s themes from 2000 AD. You could consider it a criticism of authoritarianism. But 40k hasn’t been satire in decades. GW is more interested in selling models of their gene modded space facists
mossy mortar
How is this "learning" it's a fictional joke universe
storm jungle
Its still kinda satire
its just not in your face anymore
like as long as the Imperium exists in lore it will ALWAYS be a satire on fascism and authoritism
same as how arbites are just police brutality
mossy mortar
Instead of goofy jokes it's now jokes played extremely straight
storm jungle
^
Its a lot less goofy and more just
"Jesus christ, dont wanna imagie that happening ever"
mossy mortar
Now it's just catharsis for history buffs
By sticking all the worst impulses of human nature into one setting
storm jungle
BUT sometimes a few commentaries can slip past.
Like in the new chaos codex that just came out there is a paragraph where an Imperial priest is like "My faith in the god emperor will protect me from sickness"
slender orchid
It has actually got more nuanced. The Imperium is still BAD. EVIL even. The point is in reality things are never that simple. Good people live in bad nations, even serve in them. No-one is arguing that SMs being conscripted and brutalized child soldiers is good.
At least, no-one I want to talk to
storm jungle
Also GW's announcements during the BLM stuff and the Austrian Painter debacle helps.
Did they do it for absolutely corpo reasons? Yes
But its still something
they know not to alienate their fanbase
slender orchid
The difference in the narrative is some of those Child soldiers strive to do good and be better, and are not individually bad.
mossy mortar
They straight up spell it out at rhe start of every book:
To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.
solar canopy
they know not to alienate their fanbase
warhammer+ wants to have a talk with you xD
slender orchid
I love ITEHATTSD as much as the next guy. But it isn't like GW actually told Alfa or anyone else to stop.
solar canopy
its not even TTS
the whole concept of gating community content behind that paywall
was just such a bad move
mossy mortar
It's not community content is it
storm jungle
Yeah Alfa stopped because he is making WAY too much money and has a literal kid/wife to support
and ill say
his non-40k content has been amazing
slender orchid
They just wanted to make their own revenue stream. To date, GW hasn't even tried to demonetize any of the TTS stuff. Go look at TeamFourStar if you want an example of a company who HATES fan content creators.
mossy mortar
Warhammer+ is stuff gw paid for
storm jungle
They arent even up to it anymore really
mossy mortar
Paid the lowest bidder, mind you
solar canopy
They just wanted to make their own revenue stream. To date, GW hasn't even tried...
i'd argue the reason why they dont is beacuse WH+ backfired so horrendously for them
slender orchid
Oh yeah, the Hunter stuff has been AWESOME. I never thought I would enjoy an audio log of a man trying to buy a blender.
storm jungle
Oh yeah, the Hunter stuff has been AWESOME. I never thought I would enjoy an aud...
Literally takes fucking talent 
mossy mortar
Thr quality of the Warhammer+ clips ive seen seems insanely bad
storm jungle
Honestly WH+ is just bad tho yeah
deffo not worth the price
but its more or less just whatever at this point
mossy mortar
I want to know what happened to Astartes guy
They claim tk hsve hired him but it s been years without anything
I would pay full price for Astartes shorts
slender orchid
With the "free" mini it is basically like $30 a year. or $2.50 a month. Some of the animations have been great. Exodite is stunning
storm jungle
The Astartes guy virtually disappeared
mossy mortar
But there aren't any
storm jungle
he is working on his own project on patreon atm
solar canopy
the idea with WH+ was pretty obvious to begin with ... force revenue that is created within the fan-community into a subscription based platform thats run by GW
the only reason they are not "really" doing it is because the reception of the community to it (understandably) was so bad that they decided it would be even mroe of aPR disaster if they went through with it
slender orchid
While Hammer and Bolter looked like a slide show when it started, the newer stuff has been great. Interrogator is fun.
dozens of old white dwarfs, and some other content I really don't give a fig about, it has been worth it to me
storm jungle
Its less the community more just
WH+ just has nothing?
like
anything on it you can find for free elsewhere
The community paraded for like 2 months than just dropped off the hate-wagon
mossy mortar
I thought they're supposed to have original content
solar canopy
they more or less gave up with it because of the bad press start
mossy mortar
More lile content is expensive
slender orchid
The echo chamber effect is getting strong in here. They have kept releasing animations and stuff, it is just like 1 a month.
storm jungle
GW kinda did it itself
solar canopy
it just has nothing
because GW decided its not worth to put more money into it with how bad of a reputation it started with
storm jungle
The echo chamber effect is getting strong in here. They have kept releasing anim...
Yep
mossy mortar
Are they like tv or half tv length?
storm jungle
because GW decided its not worth to put more money into it with how bad of a rep...
GW doesn't care what the fans think.
Their consumers still give them money.
slender orchid
Are they like tv or half tv length?
most are about 16 minutes
storm jungle
^
slender orchid
Yep. Most are 40k. Handful of Sigmar ones.
brittle slate
They claim tk hsve hired him but it s been years without anything
They didn’t.
mossy mortar
Oh did he turn it down or did he get scared off like the other artists that got offers
Last I'd heard he'd actually been hired
brittle slate
but its like lackluster af
Yup.
They also kill collaboration.
You just do what you’re told and like it.
brittle slate
Last I'd heard he'd actually been hired
He hasn’t.
slender orchid
three "long" projects (45+mins). Exodite, CGI which is Tau hunting an Eldar while in a war with the Imperium. Made by Astartes guy. Interrogator, a hand drawn about an Interrogator whose Inquistor died and he has let himself go, gets pressed back into service. Then Angels Of Death, by Helsreach guy, a CGI about Blood Angels vs Genestealer Cults.
brittle slate
The only person that was legitimately hired to an actual job of the 18 fan filmmakers was boylan.
storm jungle
also exodite was like
SUPER HEAVILY edited
it diverged a lot from the original vision
slender orchid
Interrogator and Exodite are great. Angels of Death is... clunky.
vocal drum
is it just me or starcraft and warhammer have alot in common?
vocal drum
lol
slender orchid
is it just me or starcraft and warhammer have alot in common?
Mod, smack this man for trollin.
storm jungle
slender orchid
Is it about the Inquisition
yeah. An interrogator is basically an Inquisitor's apprentice.
storm jungle
Honestly loved Interrogator, such a fucking depressing ending to it too.
normal stream
Mod, smack this man for trollin.
Hey, some people might genuinely not know. That question popped up on Dakka Dakka fairly frequently.
(and at our FLGS)
slender orchid
This one's Inquisitor died. Her team split apart. the Interrogator has been drinking and drugging himself into a stupor, oldschool Detective style. One of the team shows up and demands he take up the job again, one last time. Suuuuuppppper depressing
storm jungle
The plot twist is also 💀
winter ridge
Hey, some people might genuinely not know. That question popped up on Dakka Dakk...
warcraft was first pitched to gw
they turned it down
the rumored quote is "no one plays video games"
lol
normal stream
warcraft was first pitched to gw
Yes, I'm aware, thank you.
winter ridge
then starcraft was developed with a lot more professional crossover
and despite it looking a lot like 40k the game devs say they did not actually go to 40k as source material
timid ferry
is it just me or starcraft and warhammer have alot in common?
Cuz blizzard blatantly ripped off warhammer. It’s funny, cuz for the longest time StarCraft was more widely known than 40k. But since the death of the rts genre and GW making tons of games, I’d say things have changed
winter ridge
there's a quote somewhere saying such
winter ridge
Cuz blizzard blatantly ripped off warhammer. It’s funny, cuz for the longest tim...
it's because they had developed the world as a pitch to gw
slender orchid
Man. The level of angst I had reading PROFESSIONAL reviews calling Warhammer Age of Reckoning (the warhammer MMOthat once existed) a rip-off of WoW....
brittle slate
PREACH
storm jungle
Man. The level of angst I had reading PROFESSIONAL reviews calling Warhammer Age...
It was sadly how it is
same as how every horde shooter is apparently a L4D clone
MY GUY THATS LIKE SAYING COD IS A QUAKE CLONE
slender orchid
i only got into 40k lore a week ago
My bad then my duder. Yeah. Warcraft and starcraft were basically stolen from Warhammer Fantasy and Warhammer 40k.
normal stream
i only got into 40k lore a week ago
Warcraft was a failed pitch for a WFB game. It's rumored but unsubstantiated that Starcraft was the same for 40k, but Blizzard reused assets from their older games for that so less likely a copy versus inspiration.
timid ferry
I know. But they do it en mass. A lot of 40k games are absolute garbage but there a good few hidden gems
storm jungle
Its way too on the nose either way yeah
Marines are just Marines
Protoss are Eldar
Zerg are Nids
etc
winter ridge
My bad then my duder. Yeah. Warcraft and starcraft were basically stolen from Wa...
... Warcraft... Not starcraft
mossy mortar
Blizzard also ended up hiring various GW artists and writers
vocal drum
My bad then my duder. Yeah. Warcraft and starcraft were basically stolen from Wa...
dw valve got revenge and stole dota 2 from them 
slender orchid
... Warcraft... Not starcraft
Both. Both.
winter ridge
Starcraft had BL writer involvement. the word "steal" is... incorrect
storm jungle
40k also got its revenge by uh
timid ferry
Zerg are nids but with a sexy queen Blizzard likes to horny write
winter ridge
zerg are arachnids...
brittle slate
Lol
normal stream
Uh
vocal drum
warhammer more interesting tho than starcraft lore for sure
slender orchid
zerg are arachnids...
lol whut. Do I need to put a hormagaunt side by side with a zergling? Hydralisk with ravener?
winter ridge
lol whut. Do I need to put a hormagaunt side by side with a zergling? Hydralisk ...
i mean- do you care about direct quotes from the game developers or have you made up your mind
storm jungle
They arent TOO similiar admittedly but its basically the same space bug race
normal stream
I would strongly suggest looking up the definition of an arachnid 😂
winter ridge
a race of bugs isn't going to have much varience
mossy mortar
They are very similar
storm jungle
oh yeah also like
the O.G genestealers LITERALLY being xenomorphs
down to the lifecycle
mossy mortar
Same with protoss being a dying race of psychics
storm jungle
Same with protoss being a dying race of psychics
yeeee
that one is a lot more on the nose
mossy mortar
Who cam cast psi storm
storm jungle
also all their tech being psychic etc
they deffo got their own identity still but its super similiar still
mossy mortar
Zerg designs too are also are way more similar to tyranids than alien
slender orchid
Oh yeah, GW stole everything too. Shamelessly. From Alien, Dune, Starship Troopers, and more.
mossy mortar
GW stole bits from everyone
storm jungle
the only difference is the nids got EVERY trope
mossy mortar
Blizzard stole pretty much entirely from one place
winter ridge
mossy mortar
And added a few tweaks
last lagoon
Tbf all the major fiction stuff stole/inspired from other places
storm jungle
Tbf all the major fiction stuff stole/inspired from other places
As the saying goes; great artists steal
slender orchid
Warhammer Fantasy was/is pretty much a real world map, adding in "Atlantis" for the elves. Plus Tolkien's world. With everything being made darker and edgier.
brittle slate
Tau are probably one of the most unique alien races of any franchise ever
And then… Kelly
mossy mortar
40k primarily was inspired by Warhammer fantasy
timid ferry
^ put a chaos space marine and a warrior of chaos side by side. Tell me if you can spot the difference
winter ridge
As the saying goes; great artists steal
but don't usually sue everyone retroactively
"space marine"
"imperial guard"
brittle slate
Lol
storm jungle
Keep it vague enough and yep
like the Force in star wars?
Lucas literally said he ripped off the Voice from Dune
mossy mortar
still cursed
Worse than the old chicken neck tyranids??
slender orchid
original tyranid warriors
mossy mortar
I was just about to post that
slender orchid
original Carnifex (if it looks like an ultralisk from starcraft, again... Blizzard were fans)
brittle slate
JINX
mossy mortar
Loll
slender orchid
you owe me a coke
winter ridge
... deal
huh. let me correct myself too.
Blizzard apparently had two thirds of the game completed and actually had a license from john gillard at GW when they pulled the plug without paying blizzard and wanted to kill the game. blizzard completed the project as warcraft, was sued by GW for theft IP, GW lost but cost blizzard millions in legal fees (that's what they do so that checks out) Blizzard created starcraft as a big fuck you.
rose thorn
In Luther first of the fallen it’s mentioned that cypher was wearing a helmet , does anyone know what it looks like?
mossy mortar
The cypher in luther isn't actually cypher
Snother reason the horus heresy prequels are just confusing to new fans
slender orchid
(If you are unaware, Cypher is a title, not a name. There have been MULTIPLE Lord Cyphers in the books)
slender orchid
(The Lord Cypher in modern lore who helped Guilliman is a GIANT question mark of a character)
last lagoon
100 dollars its Zahariel
slender orchid
The upcoming book titled Cypher promises to either be illuminating or infuriating
signal bramble
I don’t think the book will confirm much. If you watch the interview he says that cypher is an unreliable narrator so all or none of it could be true.
slender orchid
They say the same thing about every Alpha Legion book
mossy mortar
"Hey you want to know how Han solo got his name??"
"NO"
normal stream
They say the same thing about every Alpha Legion book
They say the same thing about every BL book*
brittle slate
lol
slender orchid
..... You are technically correct. Here is your bureaucratic merit badge
normal stream
🙂
rose thorn
Depends which cypher you’re talking about
The cypher who was also a. Pyker, I thought they pass down the armor but maybe not
rose thorn
Based
It says he has a helmet and I wanted to see if I could put it on my cypher but I can’t find a pic
OH YEAH WHY THE FUCK DID CYPHER AID GULLIMAN??
That cypher
last lagoon
I only have seen descriptions of Cyphers using a hood
last lagoon
Based
Average Lion W
One of his closest marines tries to gives advice, instant backhand decapitation
signal bramble
They say the same thing about every Alpha Legion book
“I am Cypher. This is a lie.”
sturdy nacelle
“I am Cypher. This is a lie.”
"I am actually the real Alpharius"
Man I got to thinking for Darktide. The only logical other factions I can see them adding asides from the other 3 Chaos sides, maybe 4 if you included Malal, is Genestealer Cults
That way they can keep the "mostly human" horde in while mixing in some Tyranid forms
I personally cannot see Orkz in Darktide. They are way too lethal for Penal Squads
And then all the other factions are just. They don't work in a horde scenario. Tau are way too distant to see. Drukhari hit hard and fast. Aldari just mix ranged and Psyker energy. Renegade factions actually don't do hordes. And Emperor forgive you encounter Daemons cause if a Daemonhost can screw up a squad's day, a Daemon Prince would be like "oh free lunch"
Oh and Space Marines would just laught and squash every member before they spawn in
brittle slate
OH YEAH WHY THE FUCK DID CYPHER AID GULLIMAN??
ooof, seriously terrible plotline
slender orchid
Because THIS Cypher is ostensibly loyal to the Imperium and trying to reforge the Lion Sword to give to El Johnson?
mossy mortar
What's wrong with orkz
slender orchid
Or more sinisterly, the Lion Sword was said to be one of the only weapons capable of harming the Emperor. Helping Guilliman got Cypher into the Imperial Palace where... He vanished.
sturdy nacelle
What's wrong with orkz
Orkz in Darktide? Unless if they're all Grotz or the smaller ones like Snotlings, I don't see Penal Squads surviving an Ork Wagh. They OP
You'd essentually be fighting Ogryn Maulers on average
Orkz in general are awesome. I like the faction
sturdy nacelle
Just in Darktide it's a...yeah your squad ain't living
slender orchid
Man I got to thinking for Darktide. The only logical other factions I can see th...
I am down to fight the Cult. Lots of factories and oppressed laborers in our Hive. Fits the motif. Skulking super scary Genestealers. Hordes of human cultists. Hulking Aberrants. Would work neat.
sturdy nacelle
I realistically see Genestealer Cults being the actual DLC faction that's not Chaos related
Oh yeah
It would be really nice haha
mossy mortar
Purestrain genestealers would be even more overpowered than orks
sturdy nacelle
They'd be bosses
mossy mortar
Like just instant death
sturdy nacelle
Depends
slender orchid
Purestrain genestealers would be even more overpowered than orks
Almost like Daemonhosts or Beasts of Nurgle should be?
last lagoon
I think you can get away with having orks, space marine did when a horde of boys should kill a marine
mossy mortar
Orks would actually be an interesting challenge
sturdy nacelle
The average Ork can take down even a Space Marine. Let alone tens of humans in a squad
slender orchid
The average Ork can take down even a Space Marine. Let alone tens of humans in a...
I mean, the Guard REGULARLY fight and beat orks
sturdy nacelle
Almost like Daemonhosts or Beasts of Nurgle should be?
I feel like those are lesser daemons in the hosts and apparations of Nurgle
mossy mortar
Also they could mix orks into the nurglite mobs
With monster infighting
So they also fight each other
Obviously this would add s ton of extra dev work
slender orchid
Regular sergeants with chain or power swords often kill orks
mossy mortar
So probably not i guess
slender orchid
Not even hero level stuff
sturdy nacelle
If freaking Typhus appears then everyone's dead lol
last lagoon
Theres also a ton more guardsmen shooting orks than 5 rejects but honestly I wouldnt be miffed if they make orks easier in favour for gameplay
mossy mortar
They'd just have to not put in huge mobs
sturdy nacelle
Or a lesser faction
brittle slate
i think there's already been some kind of confirmation that it's genestealer cults
which makes sense
last lagoon
Oh?
brittle slate
yeah, let me find it
sturdy nacelle
Already love it
Also lemme say from a lore standpoint, I was immensely confused to find a "Rager" as a part of Nurgle's faction.
brittle slate
Also lemme say from a lore standpoint, I was immensely confused to find a "Rager...
think about how a fever works
sturdy nacelle
After so many exposures to Khorne, I'm just bias that Khorne has anything angry
slender orchid
i think there's already been some kind of confirmation that it's genestealer cul...
There was an entire trailer talking about the "story written by acclaimed Black Library author Dan Abnett" which is nowhere to be seen
brittle slate
neither do those dogs
mossy mortar
Dogs are pretty reasonable actually
sturdy nacelle
I can see Plague Hounds being lesser demons
Trappers I can see existing in a Hive world as a regular ganger
or on worlds where if their trade is animals, that expertise is needed
But yeah from what we know of this Hive world, it's on a desert planet with zero animal life on it as we know of so far
Wouldn't be surprised if half the enemies we fight in the Outskirts are just outright crazy scavengers who have no idea of Nurgle
mossy mortar
It's a hive world so weird mutant animals is reasonable
sturdy nacelle
Least it's not Armageddon
Hey wanna fight giant spiders
or random crazy Ork bands
mossy mortar
Sounfs good
sturdy nacelle
Rager does make sense in a fever sense but still haha
After years of being exposed to Khorne memes
I just immediately think of Khornate Beserkers when I see them
Also I find it very odd that in the comms the heretics explicitly say "no prisoners" which is...not true
crisp heath
The trappers are traitor guardsmen I think, and they do seem like they'd be useful on a battlefield
sturdy nacelle
I'm pretty sure every Nurglite wants to "share the gifts of the grandfather" with anyone they can get
Also the bodies of our Guardsmen are strangely intact
In the novels people kept body parts as trophies. Was kinda surprised those assets aren't ripped apart or sickly
To indicate failed "sharing of gifts"
sturdy nacelle
The trappers are traitor guardsmen I think, and they do seem like they'd be usef...
That's another thing I find very surprising. If you hear the fluff dialogue from Traitor Guardsmen in the game
You can hear stuff like
"Formation Alpha"
When Guardsmen turn to Chaos it becomes a very...mob like force with zero professionalism outside of Space Marines and Daemons controlling them
rose thorn
I really really hope we get the renegades and heretics book. I’d love a soup army and see the traitor guard and fallen actually in game
sturdy nacelle
I'd love any book based on the Darktide itself
May I also add that I'm very happy to see zero Space Marines in Darktide
rose thorn
I saw so many people excited when they saw chaos lost their custom warbands, and people thought that means it was a sign for R&H
sturdy nacelle
Space Marines on both ends tend to have plot armor thick enough to block out the sun
rose thorn
I heard people saying it was gonna be a boss
I haven’t played the game yet as I learned my lesson from every game I Pre-order ever
And I’m waiting for it to even get the smallest of sales
sturdy nacelle
In terms of lore it's interesting
I'm also really glad they're bringing Ogryns in
Outside of Vraks, they are barely known
rose thorn
Yeee!!
sturdy nacelle
Hopefully we can get Krieg gear as cosmetics
rose thorn
My only sadness it that there is no playable ratlings
rose thorn
5th class ratling pls
rose thorn
They are so cool
rose thorn
They are lil potato ppl that love stealth and thievery
I’d just imagine they are basically shade from vermintide but small
sturdy nacelle
If they do bring Ratlings in
They'd have to focus on like you said, stealth and thievery
rose thorn
Which would be the best thing ever
sturdy nacelle
Issue is I dunno how'd you disarm a Traitor Guard since they pull out melee when you get close
Maybe get more ammo from looted ammo
idk
rose thorn
How does the class system work in darktide?
I thoguht it would be the same as vermintide but it seems different
sturdy nacelle
Veterans: Marksman
Zealots: CQC
Ogryns: Heavies
Psykers: Psykers
rose thorn
Do they ahve skill trees?
sturdy nacelle
Yes
rose thorn
Ah
sturdy nacelle
Maybe? So far I've touched Veteran and I'm barely 20
The max is 30 for each class
sturdy nacelle
I made myself Cadian in origin of course
Cause Cadia stands-nah. I just like their accents
rose thorn
Where each of the 3 4 classes ahve about 3 or 4 play styles
I love playing support grail knight where I focused on all potion buffs
And support mercenary-
And support pyromancer-
sturdy nacelle
Speaking of AoS stuff
sturdy nacelle
Isn't AoS a planet in 40k or is it another realm
rose thorn
I think I like supper
rose thorn
Isn't AoS a planet in 40k or is it another realm
That was cannon for all of 4 minutes
Then immediately removed
And they do not correlate at all
sturdy nacelle
Cause in one AoS art you can see a being holding a Bolter
rose thorn
That is from fantasy
I assume you mean the Aztec ladies with the 40K guns
Who were purged from all canon
Or do you mean the lizards?
Who actually have space guns lmao
rose thorn
I think it’s either 3rd or 4th
sturdy nacelle
Explains the artstyle
sturdy nacelle
I mean the older artstyles were more gritty though
Which is what 40k is meant to be. Silly gritty
rose thorn
The Maggotkin are technically new to AOS, so they wouldn’t really be in old art
Also there’s fantasy and AOS
In which fantasy is dead
rose thorn
Shhh
We don’t talk about that
The only person who got anything good from that was skaven
sturdy nacelle
rose thorn
End times blew lmao
sturdy nacelle
Here's one interesting thing I would love to see in 40k
rose thorn
And it’s been causing issues between new and old AOS fans
sturdy nacelle
Their iteration of Skaven
So far, it's just been shady traders
As far as actual Skaven tho. That's the Orkz. So far
rose thorn
40K has power rats
sturdy nacelle
Yeah but they're not really a big player in the scheme of 40k
Look if they aren't as well known as the Vespids
They're in trouble haha
rose thorn
I like when 40K does it’s own thing
Their completely original creations are always the best
Admech, imperial knights, sisters, genestealer cults, LoV,
When they do original stuff they are always a hot
Hit*
sturdy nacelle
We need to see more of that Dark Age AI
sturdy nacelle
Like that one that roasted Imperium, Mechanicus, and Space Marines all in one go
rose thorn
Death guard and 1k sons are pretty cool despite being pretty close to AOS
When they make factions that are something else bur grim dark it’s kinda eH
sturdy nacelle
Calling the Imperium "backwards", the Mechanicus "stupid", and the Space Marines "children in power armor"
While locking systems out and locking Space Marines in their own Power Armor
It was satisfying to see the Marines be humbled by AI
rose thorn
Tbh I think a men of steel army would be kinda meh
They would be too similar to admech and necrons
sturdy nacelle
I'm happy their finally getting personality outside of
Discount Terminators but Egypt and Space
signal bramble
Well they aren’t anymore. So it doesn’t matter.
sturdy nacelle
I mean all the Collector cares about is...collecting
signal bramble
The leaks from their codex coming out has been interesting.
rose thorn
signal bramble
Mostly just gameplay stuff. Not lore.
rose thorn
What is there, theme?
signal bramble
What is there, theme?
Gameplay wise? Charge
signal bramble
Red and bronze with symbols of Khorne and skulls.
sturdy nacelle
World eaters
Bunch of Space Marines that wanted to make Angron happy by accepting any means, including accepting the Nails in each of them and those who resisted were killed
Kharn be like
"Are you proud papa"
rose thorn
DG are European plague themed, 1k are Egyptian wizard themed, EC are 2 kits older then me and my sister themed
sturdy nacelle
Angron be like "who are you"
rose thorn
Bunch of Space Marines that wanted to make Angron happy by accepting any means, ...
No no art style wise
sturdy nacelle
Oh that's easy
rose thorn
rose thorn
I was thinking they would be gladiators like AOS
sturdy nacelle
Paint your kits red with skulls
Bam. Crazy Space Gladiators
Yeh
40kverse is one of those verses where it's like
You have people wanting to be in Pokemon. Wanting to be in Star Wars. 40k fans and 40k?
rose thorn
Well in AOS they are more gladiators, tribals, and Viking themed
sturdy nacelle
Helllll noooo
rose thorn
https://www.belloflostsouls.net/wp-content/uploads/2022/09/Khorne-Berzerker-mode...
Idk, call me picky
sturdy nacelle
Isn't Khorne's symbol a bastardization of the Eldari God of War's symbol
rose thorn
But they look like red chaos space marines with square heads
signal bramble
Isn't Khorne's symbol a bastardization of the Eldari God of War's symbol
Not sure who was first.
But that theory has been floating around for a while.
sturdy nacelle
Well didn't Chaos form after the War in Heaven
Long after the Eldar had an established Empire
signal bramble
No.
sturdy nacelle
I thought it did due to the trauma the war caused
signal bramble
Time in the warp doesn’t function in a linear fashion.
Slaanesh both never existed and always existed at the same time.
sturdy nacelle
Fair enough
I wonder what happened if the Kork existed in the 30th millenium
Not the Orkz
Kork
Cause isn't the average Kork in power armor the same as a Space Marine if not better in terms of skill
desert dust
I wouldn't want to be in the starwars universe also they have a galaxy wide civil war every 20 years
sturdy nacelle
I wouldn't want to be in the starwars universe also they have a galaxy wide civi...
True. But at least you don't have daemons or xenos or other humans at your door at all times
Also with. Zero disregard to anything affecting you
desert dust
Implying I don't want the xenos at my door
sturdy nacelle
If I told a Factorium Manager that I had anxiety and I can't work
He'd laugh and force me to
Via Arbites using their pokey sticks
sturdy nacelle
Implying I don't want the xenos at my door
Asides from Tau, I don't want any other Xenos of 40k near my door
Especially Drukhari
I'd rather take Tyranids over them
copper cliff
I don't think Drukhari want Drukhari near their door.
copper cliff
Drukhari are the people on twitter constantly complaining about the people on twitter.
sturdy nacelle
Drukhari are the sole reason why the kids books of 40k shouldn't happen
They'd look at the protagonists and be like
copper cliff
Drukhari may be evil monsters but good golly that DRIP
sturdy nacelle
It also doesn't help that all the kids in the 40k books meant for kids don't like weapons
No weapons in the 40k universe is just a death sentence
It's good drip until you realize that's someones' body
copper cliff
Idc, anything for drip
They got fur mantles on black plate armor
that's like a 10/10 aesthetic
fossil quail
Idc, anything for drip
for edgelords yes
copper cliff
40k is for edgelords
sturdy nacelle
Speaking of Commarogh, is freaking Vect gonna do anything
All he does is sit there on his throne plotting
He's like discount Tzeech
fossil quail
no
rose thorn
Drukhari may be evil monsters but good golly that DRIP
I love Drukahri, they are 1/3 pirate, 1/3 nobility, 1/3 edgy feather dream
fossil quail
All he does is sit there on his throne plotting
throne comfy
copper cliff
space pirates are always fun
rose thorn
I wanna make an army of them but the characters I write will end up being obscenely edgy
‘Yeah this is Thrill the edged hook’
sturdy nacelle
We need a faction of Space Pirates but it's Mechanicus
rose thorn
‘He hangs people on meat hooks and attach them to his car’
And then he dies on the second turn
copper cliff
Virgin Malekith: Noo Im supposed to be the king! How could the gods reject me!
Chad Lokhir: Haha, head go WEEE!
copper cliff
He's got drip
sturdy nacelle
I just want some Cacharodon models
I loved that book series
And their armor looked nice
copper cliff
Looking like phalic skeletor
rustic spruce
why Daemonettes got a thing for crab claws
sturdy nacelle
Mostly pain
rose thorn
why Daemonettes got a thing for crab claws
;~; don’t remind me of the worst models gw still sells
copper cliff
You give hugs but then also clamp the sensitive part of their thigh
rose thorn
I have spent hours trying to keep them from falling apart
sturdy nacelle
Don't forget their tongues have spikes on them as well
rose thorn
The only thing I haven’t tried is pinning all their limbs together
copper cliff
Don't forget their tongues have spikes on them as well
Don't ruin it for me
rose thorn
https://preview.redd.it/srnilkae32t41.jpg?auto=webp&s=27a16b4c0d4c63f860e29aff76...
Same company
sturdy nacelle
Don't ruin it for me
It's in actual 40k art
copper cliff
It's in actual 40k art
NO
sturdy nacelle
Not gonna post it here but it's a daemonette giving a "love lick" to a guy but...her tongue has spikes
crisp heath
its real
sturdy nacelle
I mean it's Slaneesh
crisp heath
the pain tongue, the tongue of pain, tongue with pain on it
sturdy nacelle
I still don't know what's worse
crisp heath
@copper cliff
crisp heath
reject both, give in to nurgle instead
sturdy nacelle
Nah
crisp heath
yah
sturdy nacelle
I'd rather plot with Tzeech
copper cliff
Khorne will just make ya mad
crisp heath
I'd rather plot with Tzeech
its war then
sturdy nacelle
I mean idk what you'd get with us
The Rubric Marines are all ashes
and it's not like Lucius will actually do anything against it
then again, Ahriman's a freaking coward
Soooooooo idk haha
Go invade some Khornate or Slaneeshi world
your logic of plague is useless when logic doesn't exist
copper cliff
Joining Tzeentch is just wack asf
Never know what's gonna happen
Might get yeeted into an infinite void of knowledge
sturdy nacelle
or lose all logic where you just become as mindless as a Chaos SPawn
copper cliff
Tzeentch and Nurgle seem like the only chaos gods having a good time tbh
Khorne is constantly fucking angry and Slaanesh is constantly fucking stressed
brittle slate
Well didn't Chaos form after the War in Heaven
that is the original moment
it's as a result of the old ones weaponizing the warp
sturdy nacelle
Yeh
copper cliff
Necrons go nappy nappy sleepy weepy zzzz zzzz yawn yawn
sturdy nacelle
Until someone wakes them up
Then they have the biggest hissy fit every via planetary genocide
copper cliff
Mood
copper cliff
That's how I feel when I get woken up
sturdy nacelle
Old One Creation or no
copper cliff
I just dont have doom rockets
crisp heath
no
sturdy nacelle
Did they exist around the era of the Old Ones
Cause either a species got incredibly lucky in the genetic lottery and became the Tyranids
or
they are a bi product of bio-warfare that went wrong
Which means that someone just as or more powerful than the Old Ones created them
I'm just. Immensely curious about their origins
There was a stint back then where I just was diving into Tyranid lore
And was horrified to find out that the tendrils in the Milky Way in 40k are probably the scouts
Not the main force
crisp heath
there's theories that either the old ones or the ctann made them, i personally prefer that they evolved on their own
sturdy nacelle
I'd like to think another set of species like the Old Ones in another Galaxy made them, but it went horrendously wrong and they've become the endless maw of the universe
And the size of their forces rn is after millenias of consuming galaxies
full bane
Did they exist around the era of the Old Ones
We don't know. They're extragalactic and all our sources are from within the 40k galaxy. The Tyranids themselves might know, but they aren't really in the habit of explaining their history.
lilac wave
Yeah, it's not super clear that the old ones were confined to
the galaxy, or that the war in heaven took place exclusively within the galaxy.
There is no reason why c'tan wouldn't exist in other galaxies, but bioengineering really isn't thier thing.
I could see them being a product of the old ones, maybe with the intent of consuming all life in order to preserve the genetic memory of the consumed creatures.
I guess 40k doesn't give a fuck about any sort of real science, but I don't think there's a feasible way for a creature to naturally evolve the ability to metabolize and incorporate genetic information from creatures that evolved on another planet.
It's wierd that necrons are concerned about tyranids. Like when the silent king came back, necrons seemed to be the biggest threat in his mind.
I dont understand why, tyranids seem to avoid tomb worlds. Wouldn't tyranids eating the galaxy, then fucking off be the best case scenario for necrons?
last lagoon
Necrons want to return to flesh
slender orchid
Original lore for Tyranids is the 5th god Malal/Malice, who was ousted from the warp, was using them as a sort of harvester. It's plan was to accumulate enough life energy to return to the warp and reclaim their place. Malal/Malice is owned by a specific writer, who made all of his work inaccessible to GW when he left. So now the Tyranids are a scary force from outside our galaxy.
last lagoon
Well Silent King's faction wants to
So leaving the tyranids to eat everything is quite bad
slender orchid
But we finally have the thing that fans wanted for so long, a dedicated war between Orks and Nids. Turns out Nids win.
lilac wave
But we finally have the thing that fans wanted for so long, a dedicated war betw...
Only because their new codex is crazy overpowered!
lilac wave
So leaving the tyranids to eat everything is quite bad
And I get this, but it seems like it'd just be more efficient to collect samples. Trazyn style.
Holy shit. Trazyn has a primarch.
last lagoon
Theres also the problem of leaving a great devourer exist when you want to get back to having testicles
lilac wave
Theres also the problem of leaving a great devourer exist when you want to get b...
Sorta fair, but I doubt they'd come back to eaten galaxy, if they did they'd have to wait billions of years.
signal bramble
Holy shit. Trazyn has a primarch.
A perfect first edition replica no less.
last lagoon
The Fulgrim with no laer blade
lilac wave
A perfect first edition replica no less.
Hell yeah. If you want to return to flesh I'd say the most sublime genecraft ever known to the galaxy is a good starting point.
lilac wave
By 40k though dark angels fell the furthest of any loyalist.
Also Mortarion is a chump.
"I hate psykers so much"
turns into a fucking moth
lilac wave
Fair enough, I guess none of the traitors are pieces of shit in the ways I like. Like, they're all miserable because of how shitty they are.
At least guys like Fabius and Trazyn are having fun.
signal bramble
Fulgrim is having fun.
last lagoon
The fun of having space cancer
signal bramble
He’s living on a daemon pleasure planet doing whatever unspeakable things that involves.
Including taking Fabius’ daughter as a pet.
last lagoon
I do like how Fabius is surrounded by people that would back stab him at any chance but wont due to fear
Except that Iron Warrior apothecary
signal bramble
Considering Fulgrim is a daemon and has full control over his personal pleasure World I’m sure he’s found no end of depraved fun. XD
last lagoon
A space marines best friend
Literally broke fate by sacrificing himself to protect Fabius from Harlequins
lilac wave
I just don't think fulgy is actually happy. I just never got that vibe, like he just seemed totally miserable and trying to frown it out with cocaine and hookers or whatever.
But failing.
But maybe I was just projecting.
signal bramble
I just don't think fulgy is actually happy. I just never got that vibe, like he ...
I think he’s too far gone and lacks that level of insight. Or maybe it’s just so drowned out in pleasure that he doesn’t care anymore.
I’m hoping that an eventual EC codex where he comes back goes in to it.
last lagoon
In lore he has to come back (if he isnt) since he's like the most logical answer to the Ynarri plot
Just come in with cronesword in hand, have a big battle with the aeldari, lose it somehow, fin
shell ivy
Old One Creation or no
from last i seen they were just no idea where they came from, they just showed up at the edge of the galaxy one day and been eating stuff eversince
i remember there being this full on confusion on if alpharius is actually dead, because it could have been one of his captains in his place or even omnegon. hell even if alpharius is dead omnegon can still just be sitting at the head
bright fulcrum
Is it funny that i consider the bolter in the game very inuniverse lore accurate doe to exploding enemies into bits and pieces on impact and how I always imagined it based on a description of how it fires?
earnest snow
Still need Clonegrim vs Snekgrim
They literally have to make those two meet
Its a great opportunity
barren ether
Still need Clonegrim vs Snekgrim
I really want to see Clonegrim, however he’s kinda a museum piece for Trazyn the Inifite and idk how well they’d be able to write him back in
But seeing a potentially Loyalist Fulgrim would still be pretty banger
lilac wave
There are plenty of ways he could come back, but the question is if GW would actually do something like that. Easier to just shelf him I guess.
barren ether
There are plenty of ways he could come back, but the question is if GW would act...
And I don’t like that you know? They could’ve used him more, but instead he was relegated to a bartering chip
barren ether
Is it funny that i consider the bolter in the game very inuniverse lore accurate...
Bolt shells are mass reactive rounds. They explode on impact.
lilac wave
And I don’t like that you know? They could’ve used him more, but instead he was ...
I totally agree, it would be amazingly cool and I think like...a lone primarch trying to make his way through the galaxy would make for some really amazing stories. He's even got the Son's of The Phoenix out there waiting for him. Maybe there's some worry about him like...needing a miniature if were to be out in the galaxy doing things.
barren ether
I totally agree, it would be amazingly cool and I think like...a lone primarch t...
We need to demand a clonegrim mini and maybe we’d see him written back into the setting 😂
Also Jaghatai Khan and Leman Russ are critically underused plot elements in current 40k in my opinion
Everything related to new Space Wolves lore has only teased his return, yet we keep getting blue balled over it
And Jaghatai is doing god knows in the web way
lilac wave
I can understand why they'd want to keep their cards close to their chests regarding Primarch stuff, but still. Guilliman's return was 5 years ago, and everyone's been waiting for more returns.
snow dock
I think logically the next loyal primarch to return will be the lion
last lagoon
There is a leak of a photo from the arks of omen books of the Rock being sieged for like the 3rd time
But if its nudging the Lion returning we dont know
lilac wave
If they don't do it then, then when? Luther's escaped, the fallen are doing weird shit. He's like...the only actually accounted for Primarch that could return. Like, at least we know where the hell he is.
snow dock
I feel the lion rn is what guilliman needs not who he wants
barren ether
I think logically the next loyal primarch to return will be the lion
I have to agree 100%. He’d be a great foil to Guilliman
snow dock
Also a lot of weird stuff is going on with the primarchs
barren ether
Also he’s the second best loyalist primarch in my opinion
deep holly
I think logically the next loyal primarch to return will be the lion
khan is somewhere in the web
russ is wolfing in the warp
corvus is trolling lorgar
dorn is ......
vulkan is waiting to respawn
ferris doesnt have his mind right
sangy cant breathe
lion is sleeping i think only cause those magical jawas are keeping him in a coma
so yeah lion is prob next
barren ether
He’d still get shit done, but I feel he’d be far less tolerant of how religious the imperium has gotten
snow dock
Even sangunius soul stirrs in the warp with him talking to Dante and sending him back to the mortal realm
barren ether
He’d probably get on the Inquisitions and Ministorums bad side fairly quick, but ironically the guard would love him
last lagoon
I dont really get the whole "Lion is gonna start a civil war" theory
barren ether
I dont really get the whole "Lion is gonna start a civil war" theory
I’m not saying he’d start a civil war. I’m saying he’d cause some issues, while rectifying others
lilac wave
I would really doubt it, but things would probably be a bit tense between him Rawbootay.
last lagoon
Guilliman would probably convince him this is the only route now and be an acting commander of the crusades since thats where he shines
barren ether
Guilliman would probably convince him this is the only route now and be an actin...
Precisely. Lionel should’ve been war master to begin with lmao
snow dock
The lion will not start a civil war but he's not gonna be a beloved figure by the imperial ruling class but the military will absolutely love him they have a whole holiday about him
last lagoon
Well tbf War Master Lion would be a big dump
Seeing how he has worse social skills than Mortarion
deep holly
also just repeating that one majorkill vid
lore wise the lion and girly clash ideology so it will be the most impactful
@last lagoon i personably believe girlyman will try to keep the terran side of the imp alive while the lion commands the other side whos name i forget
lilac wave
I just don't feel like The Lion is someone you can convince. He's going to what he thinks is the right thing for him to be doing, and that's going to be the end of it.
dusk patrol
Except Majorkill is an idiot who doesn't read the books
barren ether
Seeing how he has worse social skills than Mortarion
I hate that you’re right, but in terms of martial understanding he was superb
dusk patrol
The Lion and Guilliman parted on good terms
There was massive arc of them learning to understand eachother.
barren ether
also just repeating that one majorkill vid
lore wise the lion and girly clash id...
Cringe majorkill
deep holly
i said clashed
doesnt mean they hated
last lagoon
Lion, the motherfucker to deforest his legions beloved world without blinking and then having "why would you do this" when half of them betray him
dusk patrol
They worked past all that.
barren ether
Lion, the motherfucker to deforest his legions beloved world without blinking an...
Also he happened to live on a planet tainted by chaos
Just so happens that people who live around chaos taint get affected by it lol. Even for marines
deep holly
Cringe majorkill
listen man i need my kidneys so i cant buy all the books
nor am i gonna listen to a luten powerpoint for 60 minutes
😎
barren ether
Especially with ZERO understanding of chaos
dusk patrol
I'd say not reading anything is better than listening to majorcringe
barren ether
listen man i need my kidneys so i cant buy all the books
nor am i gonna listen ...
The books are cheap lmao. Maybe if you buy them online they are expensive, but a paperback from a Barnes and noble or whatever your local book chain, is cheap. Also used bookstores. I always go to my local used bookstore and I get a surprisingly large amount of 40k books to buy for like $3-$4 a pop
last lagoon
Lion even accepted Guilliman being a temp Emperor when they thought they were all alone
But Gman of course didnt accept and Lion didnt too so they went to Sang
steady sparrow
What is the most credible 40k wiki on the internet and why is it 1d4chan?
barren ether
What is the most credible 40k wiki on the internet ~~and why is it 1d4chan~~?
Un ironically 1d4chan is accurate, albeit humorous
deep holly
What is the most credible 40k wiki on the internet ~~and why is it 1d4chan~~?
you have alered the horde
lilac wave
I don't think Lion would accept the Codex though, like not in any form. I think he'd run his Legion exactly how he'd want it run and take no advice on the matter from anyone else.
barren ether
1d4chan is also a respository for the best 40k fanfics around
last lagoon
I think 1d4chan should be taken as humour first then lore accurate second
barren ether
Shape of the Nightmare to Come is fucking fantastic. Though it was written 12 years ago so the lore it uses is sometimes dated
last lagoon
Cant forget the whole Ollanius debacle
steady sparrow
1d4chan is also a respository for the best 40k fanfics around
True!
Squad Broken is REALLY good
barren ether
True!
Squad Broken is REALLY good
Where gay erotica in mainstream 40k books G-dubz
Don’t mention the Ian Watson stuff
snow dock
I don't think Lion would accept the Codex though, like not in any form. I think ...
The codex wasn't "don't have legions" it was don't constantly have a legion if the situation calls for it rebuild the legion
barren ether
We don’t talk about it
steady sparrow
Memes aside i have a genuine question
snow dock
Aye?
steady sparrow
I heard the term "slab"
Apparently it's a processed grox and something that ogryns eat
snow dock
Think ground beef
barren ether
It’s like corpse-starch but for the mentally impaired
steady sparrow
It feels like a fever dream, i really need slab sources
snow dock
Grox is basically the cow of 40k
steady sparrow
That i know
steady sparrow
Apparently they're delicious
barren ether
Probably tastes like chicken-beef
steady sparrow
And that cannot stand!
barren ether
Considering snake kinda tastes like chicken to me, I’d assume it’s like a mashup of those tastes
steady sparrow
In the next edition we're making grox nutritious but tastes like shit
normal stream
I can't imagine much processed stuff in 40k would taste good, or interesting...
steady sparrow
Any amount of happiness CANNOT exist here
sweet nexus
I found normal wiki too grim dark for me. So I use 1d4chan to get my lore info
barren ether
I can't imagine much processed stuff in 40k would taste good, or interesting...
Faith in the God Emperor is enough flavor to add to any meal
snow dock
I can't imagine much processed stuff in 40k would taste good, or interesting...
Probably some added flavour
barren ether
But jokes aside, there ARE seasonings and what not
I’d assume that almost anyone and everyone uses seasonings like we do irl
Sauces too
snow dock
I think big e would krump himself if he woke up and the imperium of man's food turned into British food
steady sparrow
oh no Italians still exists
barren ether
I genuinely want to experience the culinary delights of the imperium of man. And I’m talking what the rich folk eat, not what the peasants eat
snow dock
I genuinely want to experience the culinary delights of the imperium of man. And...
Nocturne chilli
sweet nexus
also I kinda want to make an SCP style entry on a rogue Psyker except it is inquistional report on their attempts to sanction reductus the Psyker and them failing lol
steady sparrow
Have you seen the IRL recaf recipe?
bright fulcrum
Are pox hounds considered khorne flesh hounds but working for nurgle?
steady sparrow
You make tea
barren ether
Nocturne chilli
Honestly the salamanders probably eat real good
steady sparrow
And then you use the tea to brew coffee
barren ether
Same with the people of nocturne
snow dock
Are pox hounds considered khorne flesh hounds but working for nurgle?
No they are probably ig dogs infected with the pox walker plague
barren ether
I’d imagine drake tastes really really good
steady sparrow
What's that
barren ether
Drake?
snow dock
Big lizards
steady sparrow
Ah i see
barren ether
Like the megafauna that live on nocturne
snow dock
Think very very pissed of newts
bright fulcrum
No they are probably ig dogs infected with the pox walker plague
Makes sense
barren ether
The salamanders hunt them for their hides and clout essentially
steady sparrow
Question about the pox walker plague
snow dock
Zombies
steady sparrow
Did it exist in the lore before
snow dock
Yes
barren ether
Typhus loves it
normal stream
And then you use the tea to brew coffee
Good lord why
barren ether
The plague is like the Death Guard’s M.O
snow dock
It's from probably since nurgle was introduced back in fantasy
snow dock
Which precursors 40k
barren ether
Speaking of fantasy, the best fantasy books are the Heldenhammer books and I won’t have my mind changed
bright fulcrum
And to put it this way warhammer zombies are the slow lumbering zombies of George Romero and pox walkers are the fast agile zombies of dawn of the dead remake and some modern zombie media like left 4 dead ( i know l4d zombies aren't really zombies but still )
steady sparrow
L4d zombies aren't zombies?
barren ether
And to put it this way warhammer zombies are the slow lumbering zombies of Georg...
That and for some reason I feel 40k zombies really aren’t that scary as opposed to other universes zombies. Maybe it’s just that there are so so so so so much worse threats out there
snow dock
Eeeh they are a subtype of zombie
steady sparrow
If you mean zombies as in "living dead"
normal stream
bright fulcrum
L4d zombies aren't zombies?
From i heard yeah because there not undead and they don't really eat flesh and there reffered to as mutants and general just the infected
barren ether
There’s this really good Hammer and Bolter short story that focuses on Space wolves fighting the pox alongside the remnants of pdf and Guard.
snow dock
That and for some reason I feel 40k zombies really aren’t that scary as opposed ...
They aren't a physical threat to most but they are a swarm threat and biochemical threat
barren ether
Honestly Nurgle is really fucking scary in that short
snow dock
Like if we retake the darktide hive city it will all need to be set ablaze
bright fulcrum
Honestly Nurgle is really fucking scary in that short
Both scary and caring at the same time
snow dock
No single cell can be left unburnt
steady sparrow
That's why you bring flamers
normal stream
Nurgle is kinda scary regardless. Nurgle's Rot turns you into a Plaguebearer, and it's a soul infection, not biological.
barren ether
No single cell can be left unburnt
Yeah seriously idk why we are really even fighting. It feels like we have no one to save. However, I also know hive cities are fuck huge and maybe there are areas of the city that aren’t occupied or tainted yet
snow dock
We aren't there to save the people the planet has strategic value
normal stream
Grendyl could be a Radical for all you know.
barren ether
Grendyl could be a Radical for all you know.
See I suggested he might be one and I had some guys get upset over the thought of that lmao
steady sparrow
Do you think the warp could influence a hive city to make non euclidean architecture
Imagine walking into a hall of unimaginable proportions, yet still contained inside of the hive city
normal stream
Doesn't strike me as a Monodominant if he's employing convict psykers..
snow dock
The imperium will only call an extermination order on the world if it becomes too far gone but like 1 out of every 1 million inquisitors will even think about doing it and even less will actually hit the button
barren ether
So here’s my crackpot theory: so our characters reference Morrow a lot and the different campaigns he’s served in
normal stream
The imperium will only call an extermination order on the world if it becomes to...
Nope. Some inquisitors will trigger happy on it.
barren ether
Morrow was supposedly at Badab, Armageddon, and others
bright fulcrum
And since we got hint of more daemons to be added can't wait to see how khonre, tzeentch, and slaanesh play into darktides events
barren ether
The issue is that if Morrow was working for Grendyl, then that means Grendyl was at three different theatres with three different types of threat
And so he wouldn’t be a part of the Ordos Malleus or Xenos
steady sparrow
The operatives do talk about just having the inquisitor call the exterminatus
snow dock
Nope. Some inquisitors will trigger happy on it.
No they won't to sign the death warrant of an entire world is not something done lightly memes aside the inquisition would soon throw everything they have at the world before the thought of the button hit their mind
steady sparrow
It is said that the planet is a major hub in the system
snow dock
That is one example against others
steady sparrow
I guess it is worth retaking
barren ether
Why would he be at an Ordo Xenos theatre (Armageddon) while also being at Tertium which would be an Ordo malleus threat
Grendyl is a radical inquisitor without a doubt in my opinion
normal stream
That is one example against others
There have been multiple instances of it. Inquisitors have the authority to order it. A Puritan won't hesitate to pull the trigger.
normal stream
Why would he be at an Ordo Xenos theatre (Armageddon) while also being at Tertiu...
Armageddon was also Malleus, depending on the war.
snow dock
There have been multiple instances of it. Inquisitors have the authority to orde...
Again the exterminatus is a last resort amongst last resorts
normal stream
Do we have any information on voidsuits?
Look up the KT navy Breacher minis.
barren ether
Armageddon was also Malleus, depending on the war.
It would’ve been the 3rd war