40k-lore-chat

[acoustic copper]

maybe. Game's lacking a solid endgame so a big boss fight you can only queue for at 30 could be the way to go

[wispy marlin]

well sooner or later we will see some of the big guys from the moebian sixth

[celest dome]

I don't think we will see set characters that can die

[ripe ravine]

https://www.twitch.tv/warhammer

black library preview going on right now

40k book publisher

[celest dome]

At most I could see them introduce a named Daemon since we could kill it multiple times

Otherwise I wish we could have enemy commanders that would talk to us on the comms, like intercepting comms from Zolla/Morrow/Hadron...

[terse talon]

well i certainly hope we will be able to fight em, vermintide did add some named bosses aside from the ones that like spawned in

[celest dome]

Well VT2 is set around a story, and all the missions are done only once (In the narrative)

[terse talon]

i agree VT2's mission structure and story is certainly more well set up, not sure abouyt that at launch, but yeah

[acoustic copper]

I'll be honest I maxed out characters in VT2 and DT without paying any attention to the plot

[celest dome]

In this current case, we aren't doing the same missions so we wouldn't be able to kill the same enemy twice or more

Tide games are always game play 1st, story 2nd

[terse talon]

well its a Horde game at heart

to be honest

and they are all mostly like that]

[barren tapir]

With the amount of captains killed by assassination missions either it was more than one reigment or it was a regiment made only by captains lol

[terse talon]

lol i actually started listing down the names...stopped counting when i got over like 7 dif captain names

[storm jungle]

The captains are all vat-grown obviously

🧠

"Cap'n, its 2pm, time for another group of rejects to kill you again."

[barren tapir]

That would explain why they are that big

[storm jungle]

: Yes my comrades...

[terse talon]

was hoping Wolfer would be one we run into

[barren tapir]

Nurgle calls, and i will asnwer

[terse talon]

but he not

Nurgle is the best Chaos God sorry

[barren tapir]

Nah, the best chaos entity is the one that still doesn't exist

[celest dome]

The captains are replaced as they dies

[terse talon]

I LUV GRAND PAPA NURGLE

[terse talon]

Yeah from a story perspective that's certainly how I see it playing out

[barren tapir]

Looking back at all the dead troopers rejects have left behind when reaching the captain
Exactly by who?

I mean, that reigment can have been bigger than usual, but the numbers still doesn't match

Unless they are recruiting new blood

Which would make sense

[terse talon]

Yeah I mean its a horde game so either way the number of heretics we kill won't be realistic, but their job was to guard the hive city right? hive cities have like billions of people

[acoustic copper]

and "regiment" isn't a fixed unit size in 40k, some regiments are huge, others are tiny

[terse talon]

also

this is so epic

[native wharf]

Chaos is best contained rather than eradicated, for destruction of chaos requires the sacrifice of order.

This post above me is why: We can laugh at our enemies' foolish antics, lest we let them intimidate us instead.

[native wharf]

Malal/Malice?

[gloomy quarry]

Hi gals and guys, I need an explanation, what's the deal with inverted/upside down buildings and cathedrals on the ceiling in Darktide?

What's the lore rationalization for this, and how is this possible?

[shadow plover]

They're not upside down per se but rather just built from top to bottom and accessed from through the upper level of the hive

[mossy mortar]

Nurgle is the chaos god of cope

[gloomy quarry]

But weren't arches designed as rooftops because of gravity? It can't work inverted.

Is there some trickery to it?

[mossy mortar]

It's to look cool

[gloomy quarry]

Damn I hope for some sci-fi, not Glamour

[mossy mortar]

They believe in architectural consistency, as opposed to the barbarism of our current era

[shadow plover]

Yeah it's just to look cool and gothic

No gravity manipulation or anything

[mossy mortar]

There is gravity manipulation

[acoustic copper]

the 40k universe is not for you if you don't like "because it's cool" as an explanation

[mossy mortar]

But nothing specific

[shadow plover]

Oh yeah but not in the sense that this structure has walkable floor and ceiling because of differing gravitational pulls

[mossy mortar]

Well it could happen

There's some weird stuff in the underhives

[acoustic copper]

I dont even remember any upside down buildings

[mossy mortar]

Gravity manipulation is pretty commonplace overall, since every spaceship has grav plates and inertia damping

[dusk patrol]

Maximizing space

[mossy mortar]

Yeah air pollution's a bitch

I enjoyed the art on that throneside level a lot

[dusk patrol]

Also it’s not like they’re upside down

They’re hanging

[mossy mortar]

There's like an entire church there

[dusk patrol]

People in them aren’t like, standing upside down

[mossy mortar]

You don't do anything in it it's just a doorway that has a huge elaborate church inside for no reason

I think i found some plasteel on one of the pews but otherwise it's just there for the art guys to show off

[dusk patrol]

Yeah I’m looking forward to more Throneside levels

[shadow plover]

Throneside is such a cool area

[mossy mortar]

Also if you notice the zombies sre wearing fancy clothes on that level

They have like brocaded gowns and stuff

[dusk patrol]

Yeah

[shadow plover]

Cool!

[mossy mortar]

The ones in the midhive wear lots of like pleather jackets snd purple puffers and stuff

[gusty sequoia]

why we dont have big series about warhammer 40k but we have small series on low budget ones

[mossy mortar]

Snd in the factories they wear a lot of boiler suits with numbers stenciled on the back

[acoustic copper]

it would be cool if they had a mode where you could just explore the levels freely

kinda hard to notice the cool stuff when you're knee deep in bodies

[gloomy quarry]

So, the exterior is built inverted because of the gothic style (to be maintained) and space/area management, but inside they are regular buildings with regular gravity (narrow at the bottom/floor, and wide at the top/ceiling).
No gravity manipulation, no sci-fi tricks, just "it's cool".

Is that correct?

[sweet nexus]

Damn not even the rich ppl are safe from 40k horrors huh

[acoustic copper]

won't someone think of the rich?

[mossy mortar]

Probably? But it wouldn't be impossible for them to do it if they wanted

[gloomy quarry]

Thanks! :)

[mossy mortar]

Technology in 40k is intentionally inconsistent so they have flying cars and rings that shoot lasers but also candles and dudes on horseback with grenade lances

So like Star Wars rules

[acoustic copper]

it's almost like there's a million worlds spread over the galaxy and advances don't get the chance to propagate very far

[barren tapir]

Well, advances also get stomped really hard by the imperium

Or hoarded by the Ad. Mech.

[dusk patrol]

There’s honestly a shitton of advances in the Imperium it just takes a little while

The idea of no innovation isn’t super accurate more so it just takes forever for stuff to catch on and like you said the Ad Mech likes their exclusives when it come to building them.

[acoustic copper]

also the imperium is fine with worlds having high technology, the thing that is gatekept is understanding that technology

[storm jungle]

Book upload time

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2022/12/04/heres-whats-coming-to-black-library-in-2023/

[acoustic copper]

like you can have a world with flying cars, where the factories churn them out day and night because the servitors do their thing and the workers press the right buttons like they're told, but you aren't allowed to know *how they fly or build them yourself

[storm jungle]

Anyway carry on

[full bane]

Mainly the "To break with Ritual is to break with Faith" tenet of the AdMech being something that suppresses major technological changes. And whether local patterns, variations, and improvements get accepted really depends on local politics.

Tech advances slowly and at the whim of both religion and bureaucracy in 40k.

[barren tapir]

The iron kingdom seems intriguing

[storm jungle]

Has the busiest cover thats for sure

[acoustic copper]

long awaited Warmachine/40k crossover novel finally coming out

[barren tapir]

Meh, read the theme of the iron kingdom and i am already disappointed

Nothing more than the imperium going back to a world that survived alone and pretend to strip it of resources for itself, and the imperium expect it to be welcome in doing so

[shadow plover]

Aaah I just hope Abnett pulls it off with the two The End And The Death books

Very excited

[acoustic copper]

Abnett can halfass it and it'll still sell enough that they'll keep letting him write books

[dusk patrol]

I think he probably appreciates the pressure for those books

[weak fossil]

Just had a fun interaction in darktide chat

[acoustic copper]

when do you have time to chat in a match? 😆

[weak fossil]

Only when advising people of the best places to perform penances. This was on the mourningstar

[signal bramble]

Lot of books to buy. Thanks for posting. I forgot this update was today.

[storm jungle]

No worries

[weak fossil]

Also that discord avatar is pretty dope @acoustic copper

[acoustic copper]

ty

[dusk patrol]

Idk I feel like it comes up a bit….

short

It has little impact

Tiny

Smol

[signal bramble]

Imperial Knights are my favorite faction and what got me in to 40k so hearing they're going to the planet of Kamidar, which has a unique knight pattern unlike any other in the lore, is really cool.

[acoustic copper]

I'm a bit tired of novels introducing super seekrit special patterns of things unseen anywhere else tbh. I've read at least 3 that have had previously unknown super-special STC titans that are way better than anything else

[storm jungle]

40k book plotpoints are usually just mcguffins yeah

[normal stream]

Kind same

For a universe/faction that's literally all about STC standardization

Special snowflake stuff existing is very meh

[signal bramble]

Kamidar has a single unique knight, one of a kind artifact.

And it's not wielding any since heretofore unseen technology, just a different combination of weapons.

[storm jungle]

The entire point of DAOT is also to just

"Hey we found this dark age mcguffin in the 41st millennium wooo"

[normal stream]

yep

[signal bramble]

I'm not sure how familiar you are with imperial knight patterns though. Knight lore is my specialty.

[normal stream]

Most of the knight lore is fairly new.

[barren tapir]

Yoooooo, look we have found a new way to make a blade for knifes! And boom we have both a world to rule as we see fit

That was one hella development

[signal bramble]

Knights as we know them came out in... 7th edition iirc? It's not that new.

[normal stream]

New in context of the age of the game

[acoustic copper]

tbh they did get an almost complete rewrite from the original Knights

[normal stream]

Yep

[acoustic copper]

kind of a shame cos the old knight designs were awesome

[normal stream]

It's kinda really jarring when entire sections of lore get rewritten and retconned, hard to keep straight what's what in memory

[signal bramble]

House Kamidar's unique knight is Incendor. A questoris (medium sized) knight that has a thunderstrike gauntlet (power fist basically on a massive scale) and the triple barreled flamer of a knight valiant (the large pattern).

[normal stream]

Anyways, I did like that they properly fleshed out the knight households lore

And properly separated them between Mars-/Terra-aligned

[signal bramble]

It's pilot was killed in the second gate of bones novel by a single iron warriors space marine that climbed her knight, ripped the cockpit hatch open, and crushed her head like a tomato with his armored hands.

[full bane]

Epic 40k technically. Around 1990.

[signal bramble]

Hence why I said "knights as we know them."

[normal stream]

Their rewrite came with the knights dex though

[barren tapir]

So, the ironhold protectorare, the knight world of the kamidar house, has been given the ""honour"" to become a crusade hub fortress... I think i'm missing the point of the honour of it though

[acoustic copper]

knights actually weren't around in Epic 40k, they were in the previous version of Epic

[pastel schooner]

so, apparently Servitor Colonies are a thing. A mass of hundreds of servitors combined together in a massive tower.
Are these a common thing, or is it unique?

[normal stream]

40k's version of a server farm

[signal bramble]

Something similar happens in Kingmaker.

Knight worlds don't much appreciate being treated that way.

[dusk patrol]

It does come with a lot of prestige

And potential payouts down the line for favors and the like

[full bane]

Epic Space Marine or Epic Titan Legions right?

One or the other.

[barren tapir]

That would explain why i don't get it... That is worthless to me most of the time

[normal stream]

They first appeared in WD.

[dusk patrol]

Well that’s why you’re not in charge of a knight World

Smh

[normal stream]

back when new races/factions were introduced via WD, like necrons

[signal bramble]

Not exactly. If it's anything like Kingmaker, the knight worlds (which are used to being relatively independent) believe that they're super special and that such things should be requested and the knight world should be allowed to make the decision. Telling them what to do is something they find very offensive.

[dusk patrol]

Knight worlds vary heavily

It depends how it’s done too

[normal stream]

And it was Imperial vs Eldar knights IIRC

[dusk patrol]

Which I’m sure is the point of the book

[full bane]

It's nice when they're local variations. Helps enforce the idea that 40k is a setting where local patterns and variants are a thing.

[dusk patrol]

So we’ll have to wait and see

[signal bramble]

Well the way they're describing House Kamidar in the book blurb makes it sound exactly like Kingmaker. XD

[dusk patrol]

Kingmaker was definitely a uh

Special case

For a lot of reasons

[full bane]

Yeah, the rules included were for one of the Epic line.

Not sure which though, I just think of them all as Epic 40k at this point.

[signal bramble]

I love any lore and books related to Imperial Knights. I have several models also... 16 knights in total.

[acoustic copper]

they're the same game. Titan Legions was the titan add-on for Space Marine

[normal stream]

If I were to get back into TT gaming, I'd probably want to try out Titanicus.

Looks like good fun and a lot less to carry around than my other armies

[signal bramble]

GL trying to get a game in, it's not really that popular. 😦

[normal stream]

Yeah I've heard

sadly

[signal bramble]

You'd be surprised. I'm a knights main and it requires some creativity.

[full bane]

Battletech scratches the same itches as Titanicus for me, but it's a solid system.

[acoustic copper]

Titanicus has a lot of good buzz around it, but the cost of entry is a sticking point

[normal stream]

I played Elysian Droptroops, trust me, I know "creativity" 😆

[acoustic copper]

I've been thinking about getting into battletech, I love me some mechs

[signal bramble]

Cost of entry for titanicus and knights is much lower than other 40k stuff tbh.

[normal stream]

When you have 10 to 12 flyers in an army..

[acoustic copper]

yeah but 40k is an easier sell because you KNOW you'll have a local scene if you have a GW nearby. Any of the specialist games are a harder sell because you're spending a chunk of cash on something with a much smaller chance of getting a game for

[normal stream]

Something that requires less models would be nice

[signal bramble]

A single knight is like $170 USD I think? But that's enough to cover anywhere from 400-500 points in a 2000 point army. Other armies have to spend upwards of $300-$400 to get that many points. >_<

[full bane]

It's an amazing and overdeveloped system with decades worth of addons and units. It's great but can be overly detailed.
But the cost to entry is some of the lowest for a tabletop game and there are rules for damn near everything.

Biggest problem is finding a local scene to play it.

[normal stream]

Yeah, Titanicus is to scratch my battletech itch

[signal bramble]

And you don't even need the actual models, they let you use tokens.

[acoustic copper]

I have a 3D printer, the cost of entry for battletech for me is basically nil XD

[normal stream]

Ironically, the Battletech game is a pretty solid TT-like Battletech

[full bane]

And also finding the books and minis, because Catalyst has a borked distribution network.

[normal stream]

And there's people who've made mods that made it CBT-stats

[full bane]

Especially compared to GW, who might as well be the gods of regional distribution in the tabletop wargames market.

[acoustic copper]

Privateer press are doing something cool with regional distribution. because they don't have the logistics to ship everything from a central location they're gonna hire third party companies to 3D print their models in the country they're distributing to and then ship from there

[full bane]

Yup, no mini for a given Mech? Just take anything lying around and point out which side is the Mech's front.
At least if you're playing on hexgrids, minis (or at least things roughly the same size/shape as a mech) are needed for hexless play.

Oh yeah I heard about that. It'll be interesting to see how that works out and if it affects quality control.

But at the least in my experience working for a short while at an LGS, GW is one of the more reliable and consistent suppliers. If you've got a Warhammer store in the region, odds are you'll get your stock in a week or two before release, ready to go on day one.

[normal stream]

yep, can confirm. Worked at an FLGS during my summers many years ago, GW had always been super reliable

[heavy talon]

I wonder who would win in a fight between Adam Smasher (in Edgerunners, not CP2077 Adam) and an Eversor, seeing as they're essentially the same thing

Though I guess Adam is more mentally stable

If only marginally

[rustic spruce]

what caused draigo to become such a meme in the community

[signal bramble]

It’s hard to say.

Probably because he would just show up and save the day.

[dusk patrol]

Kinda just comes down to speed probably

Which is hard to say for either

I’m sure someone could calculate their speed based off feats but it’s hard to say

Assassins move faster than marines can process

[acoustic copper]

because in the codex he was introduced he came out of nowhere and ripped Mortarion's heart out, and then the next time he was mentioned he started a one-man crusade through the Warp itself

[dusk patrol]

And there’s also the aspect of not all assassins are created equal

Within their clades

[acoustic copper]

also Adam Smasher and an Eversor are not even remotely the same thing. One's a brainwashed barely-human murder hurricane enhanced with biotech and pumped full of combat drugs, handed a sword that cuts through things on a molecular level and a gauntlet full of neurotoxin. the other is "A guy with a lot of bionics"

[dusk patrol]

Well he is pretty juiced up and psychopathic

[rustic spruce]

we'd have to know how fast an eversor is compared to a sandevistan

[dusk patrol]

He definitely would be a prime candidate for the Eversor temple

[acoustic copper]

if he was 12, yes

they start the psychoindoctrination and biotech young in the assassinorum

[dusk patrol]

I mean yeah when he was younger

He’s not human enough to even be one now

[acoustic copper]

aside from being a sadist and a bit of a psychopath, there's nothing particularly special about Adam that doesn't come from his implants

[rustic spruce]

in cyberpunk tabletop adam having a negative empathy level is what made him special in regards to cybernetics

because the cybernetics couldn't lower his empathy since it was negative, he could use as much cybernetics as he wanted without going cyberpsycho

[heavy talon]

"A lot of bionics" is really underselling it. Literally only his brain is left.

And even that has parts of it replaced

[acoustic copper]

still, they are not remotely similar creatures

[heavy talon]

Let's discount the power sword, because that's not literally part of an Eversor. Both are massively cybered out psychopaths who carve paths of indiscriminate destruction on the way to whatever target they are assigned as a show of force. Just horrifying murder cyborgs unleashed to destroy shit.

How is that not similar?

[acoustic copper]

the eversor has hardly any cybernetics, almost all of their implants are biological (they have to be, otherwise the combat drugs wouldn't do a lot)

so apart from your core premise being wrong, yeah you're right

[rustic spruce]

how big is an eversor's death explosion

[acoustic copper]

used to be the radius of a plasma grenade, so about 15ish feet?

pretty big boom

I find people people learn better that way

[scarlet wind]

Lol

[shell fox]

I think I got it right
either way done

[signal bramble]

Unclear.

But keep in mind Eversor aren’t assassins you send in to take out a target. They’re deployed to wipe out an area.

Vindicare and Callidus are the ones deployed against specific targets.

[rustic spruce]

what about those assassins with the really big helmets

[signal bramble]

Culexus are anti psyker usually.

[brittle slate]

Well- the target can be in the area

[signal bramble]

Though one was deployed to kill the Tau aunva high ethereal and broadcast it.

[brittle slate]

On Taros the ethereal was in a bunker and they sent one to kill him and everyone else

[signal bramble]

That was a culexus assassin my dude.

Not an Eversor.

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/1/11/Death_of_Aun'Va.png/revision/latest?cb=20151206032854

That’s the official art of it.

[rustic spruce]

that art makes it look like he's destroying them with facts and logic

[signal bramble]

Being around the culexus is very unpleasant. Especially since his ominously named weapon literally destroys their souls.

Apparently the kill was broadcast and it was… graphic to say the least.

[dusk patrol]

He wasn’t able to be seen by their systems either

He literally just walked in and killed him

[signal bramble]

That to. I forgot to mention he could stealth past them.

[dusk patrol]

He unleashed his aura which is further empowered by that helmet he has on

[rustic spruce]

imagine going about your day while a jacked dude in a skeleton mask casually strolls into the room

[dusk patrol]

They can kill people by touching them when they’re like that

Destroys your soul

[brittle slate]

First off that’s Mu’gulath bay and that’s aun’va

[signal bramble]

Ah I think we miscommunicated then.

My fault.

[dusk patrol]

By all accounts, it is not very cash money to go out that way

And it only gets worse the more powerful you are as a Psyker

With limits of course

[signal bramble]

It’s weapon is called an animus speculum which has all sorts of terrifying implications.

[dusk patrol]

Tl;Dr Culexus are op as fuck

As to why they don’t just have them do everything, they’re rarer than chicken teeth

By far the rarest assassins

Which assassins are already a rare breed

Not even counting assassins who survive five missions or more

[full bane]

OH AUN THE PAIIIIN!

That art always makes me laugh

[dusk patrol]

This assassin walks in and smacks your Aun, what you do?

[brittle slate]

All good

[brittle slate]

Table the imperial crusade

[elder tide]

Have we figured out who Grendyl the inquisitor we're working for is yet

And who the lady in the cutscene is

[full bane]

Stare at his abs and scream in horror, knowing the inferior xenos will never achieve that level of RIPPED

[full bane]

Shipmistress Brahm, the Rogue Trader who owns the Mourningstar.

[full bane]

We know that he's an Inquisitor and that we work for him, past that not much.

[elder tide]

Ah, so she's the captain of the Mourningstar and owns it but we don't physically know our Inquisitor (yet) gotcha

Wait, are we basing our operations off a Trading ship? Or is she just a rogue trader?

[full bane]

In a conversation, the characters mention she's a rogue trader.

But the ship itself looks to be a modified frigate/destroyer chassis.

[elder tide]

Interesting. Inquisitors aren't astartes right?

Or typically are not

[full bane]

Nope, most Inquisitors are normal humans... for a given definition of normal.

[mystic geyser]

Though some wear power armour

[full bane]

An Interrogator is an Inquisitor in training, and an Explicator is an Interrogator in training, if that helps.

So Rannick could one day be an Inquisitor.

[brittle slate]

There’s been one inquisitor space marine

[full bane]

We've seen a lot of different types of Inquisitors. We've seen lone investigators delving into hives and rooting out cults personally, Inquisitors who go incognito with small retinues of close allies, Inquisitors who lead armies in full power armor, Inquisitors who command entire theatres of war, and Inquisitors who are gene-modded to a similar level as Astartes and stomp around in Artificer Armor.

[full bane]

Don't think we have any canonical examples of Inquisitor Space Marines, though the Deathwatch RPGs mention that some Watch Masters end up joining the ranks of the Inquisition.

[celest dome]

I don't think there has been anything that would outright stop an Astartes from being one

But I never have seen about one

[brittle slate]

I believe he’s a Templar but I’d have to crack open the graphic novel

[brittle slate]

Sword frigate specifically

With an option for torpedoes

[full bane]

lol I forgot that guy existed.

Daemonifuge was great.

[full bane]

Yeah, the same chassis as the Sword and Firestorm, or possibly the similarly shaped but smaller Claymore.

[brittle slate]

I forgot about the claymore

[arctic talon]

He is a Templar

And he’s hilarious as our one canon example of a space marine inqusitor

[rustic spruce]

are tox flamers using tox sprayers?

[timid ferry]

Daemonifuge was excellent. Stern has a new(ish) book as well https://www.blacklibrary.com/warhammer-40000/novels/ephrael-stern-the-heretic-saint-ebook.html

It’s on my read list

[celest dome]

Some sort of Tox Spayer, most likely not the same as the Death Guard use

[sweet saffron]

I know I’m a few days late for this but HAPPY DECEMBER

https://youtu.be/8TiqiOexD-8

[shell fox]

camelid racing in Atoma, Advance Recon being sent to Tertium , Astra Militarum Chaplain roasting his regiment, a mention of Officio Assassinorum, Zealot boasting about a fragment of marble from Titanolith, Lord Solar Macharius's favorite hat etc.
some interesting finds in the personality building conversations
https://youtu.be/mWWc9tX9l-w

[crimson dragon]

Have there been instances of prisoners who joined an inquisitor retinue becoming an interrogator or even becoming a full inquisitor?

I know explicator zola was a gang member in tertium

So she was also a prisoner before

[signal bramble]

A lot of inquisitors were dragged on to the black ships as prisoners and the few that survived to become sanctioned psykers did eventually make it to full inquisitor.

Being imprisoned in a black ship is a special kind of hell that can last for years.

[timid ferry]

Assuming they weren’t fed to the throne/big e

[signal bramble]

Like I said, the ones that become sanctioned psykers.

[storm jungle]

An Inquisitor can literally hire anyone from anywhere

its mostly for homebrew/RPG purposes but they got all the authority they need to recruit people

[signal bramble]

They can recruit anyone but not anyone can become an inquisitor. So a prisoner could definitely become one but the circumstances for prison trash would have to be remarkable for an Inquisitor to notice them.

The psyker one probably is the most likely to get noticed.

[timid ferry]

^ and they have to be sponsored by at least 3 other inquisitors iirc

That means connections outside the immediate retinue

[full bane]

Or an impressive record as an Interrogator.

And connections/strings being pulled by their Inquisitor.

[crimson dragon]

How many interrogators can an inquisitor have

In their retinue

[celest dome]

Isn't exactly a hard rule

Usually there is only 1 though

[crimson dragon]

Ok

[celest dome]

I think Amber Veil say that her mentor had another Interrogator at the same time as her

[crimson dragon]

Also what are the chances of grendyl being morrow

Or zola

[barren tapir]

This is gold, and i wanna more!

[dusk patrol]

Technically almost anyone can become an Interrogator but it’s rare

And even rarer for them to make the final step to Inquisitor

[celest dome]

Aren't there also "independent" Interrogators ?
Like they still are attached to the Inqui but they act mostly independently

[dusk patrol]

They’re often given their own missions and stuff but as far as I can recall they’re always attached to an Inquisitor

Even if the connection is loose

But idk there could be some excerpt about that in a FFG book or something

Wouldn’t be surprised

[lusty kettle]

Guys what happened to cadia ?

[celest dome]

Cadia broke

[rustic spruce]

Abaddon threw a really big rock at it

[celest dome]

Abaddon spoiled it

[lusty kettle]

Big rock then big boom. Okay ty

[rustic spruce]

Did vulkan use the most weapons out of the primarchs

[terse talon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbGPFaUyMyE

[crisp heath]

Yknow 40k almost makes sense for a tall ship universe like the expanse instead of a naval style one

Imagine flying cathedrals donnager style

[ruby sparrow]

sorry for bringing a fantasy lore question

but uh, skaven. is their culture more than just utter shitshow/scheming evil bastards

[barren tapir]

No

That is just what they are all about

Oh, and backstabbing

Backstabbing is also another important theme of their society

[shell fox]

will do sah
i shall continue to collect 🙏

[sturdy slate]

@spring heath is that true? should i tell mom?

[spring heath]

yis

[ruby sparrow]

so skaven society is just sus

[barren tapir]

It is beyond sus, it is "i will not stab you for now, but i will stab you for sure given the opportunity"

[timid ferry]

Gives another meaning to the phrase “rat bastard”

[barren ether]

No. He crafted a ton of weapons as befits his status, however Lion’El Johnson was known to have collected a metric ton of different weapons

[rustic spruce]

man tyberos sure is one tall fella

[barren ether]

6’0 vs 5’11

Also custom terminator armor is a hell of a drug

[clever steppe]

Tall girl be like

[barren ether]

So supposedly Morrow served in the Badab War. I wonder if he actually saw the Charcaradons wreck ass

[barren tapir]

Did he?

I knew he was a survivor of hades hive on armageddon

[barren ether]

There’s some dialogue that’s thrown around in game hinting at Morrow’s past campaigns or what not, and I’ve seen the badab war dialogue thrown around a few times

Now I’m sure it’s just the usual “make up stories about your superiors because they are shrouded in mystery or lack of information” trope

But there’s a good chance Morrow really did serve in all these different theatres

Especially if he was working for Grendyl as he is now

[barren tapir]

Well, if he served in badab war then is nearly 1 hundred years old

[barren ether]

However if he were to serve in the inquisition, that would mean Grendyl is a radical inquisitor as he served in a Xenos afflicted war, and now he’s serving in a Chaos afflicted war

Which brings to mind which Ordo is Grendyl a part of

[signal bramble]

Wot

Radical inquisitors are defined as those who use chaos powers against chaos.

For the most part.

Or use daemonhosts.

[barren ether]

I’m aware however it’s more than just the artifacts

It’s also how they act and how they choose to dispense justice

Not just using daemons to further their goals

[signal bramble]

Participating in those wars isn’t really evidence of being a radical though.

[clever steppe]

Is the tau religion more complex than a basic greater good ideal?

[barren ether]

I’m not saying he IS. I’m saying he MIGHT

[barren tapir]

First of all, it isn't really a religion

[signal bramble]

Well… in the new Shadowsun book it’s revealed the greater good is actually a Goddess named Tau’Va.

[signal bramble]

It is now.

[barren ether]

It doesn’t make sense for an inquisitor to be at two different types of conflicts

There’s the Ordo Malleus and the Ordo Xenos among others

[signal bramble]

Inquisitors hop between orders freely.

[barren tapir]

Well, humans in tau territory made it into a religion effectively, but tau still hasn't exactly it as religion

[clever steppe]

It’s an ideal lead by a deity apparently so that’s pretty much a religion

[barren ether]

However I’m arguing it’s highly unusual

[storm jungle]

Hereticus, the characters mention it.

[signal bramble]

No, the Tau actually now worship a goddess named Tau’Va

It’s new lore.

[barren ether]

We don’t normally see inquisitors do that very often. Normally they stick to their Ordo and work with other inquisitors of others if need be

[storm jungle]

Also this is correct yeah, its in the new book which came out like literally a week ago.

[barren tapir]

Tau'va was the name of the ideology

[storm jungle]

Its named Tau'va in the book too

thats the point

[barren tapir]

So they named the goddes as the tau'va

[storm jungle]

I mean

Christ = Christianity

same thing

[barren tapir]

Intriguing

[signal bramble]

I’m not surprised most folks don’t know about Tau’Va yet. It’s literally brand new lore that’s a week old.

[storm jungle]

yeee

Shas'kais did a good summary

[barren tapir]

It is super new lore

[barren ether]

Honestly sometimes I forget the Tau even exist in the universe

[clever steppe]

Buddhism too

[barren tapir]

Like a week old is nothing compared to some other lore that is years old

[storm jungle]

Same but with Space Marines

[signal bramble]

Setting apart the fact it’s dumb. >_>

That entire book is a travesty.

[barren tapir]

Well well well, was that the goddess that saved the 4th sphere?

[storm jungle]

I mean

Phil kelly

💀

[clever steppe]

Most modern lore seems bad

From my limited perspective

[barren ether]

I don’t even dislike the Tau. I find their faction and their premise to be really interesting and cool. It’s just they feel as though they don’t hold any impact on the setting you know?

[signal bramble]

I don’t think so.

[clever steppe]

It seems less developed

[barren tapir]

Lol, not surprised honestly, but still kinda curious to see how they managed to make such awful plot decisions

[signal bramble]

The farsight books are actually really good and setup some intriguing mysteries for the Tau.

[storm jungle]

Its mostly because all factions minus the Imperium arent allowed to do anything important.

[signal bramble]

Specifically that tzeentch has a vested interest in toppling their very stagnant society. Nothing will likely ever happen with it but we’ll see.

[barren ether]

And that’s the thing! The farsight enclaves are the coolest bit to the Tau and they aren’t even a part of the empire

[clever steppe]

They should have a new big event on the scale of cadia

That’d help

[rustic spruce]

i mean chaos caused the cicatrix maledictum, that was important

[versed ledge]

Yes, an entire server worth of players fighting for every centimeter of land in Cadia during the fall.

Hopefully we get to meet the General Asaka E Creed

[signal bramble]

She’s getting ring a new book. Ursula or whatever.

[storm jungle]

Wrong Anime

[signal bramble]

Yeah. Long as people don’t think he’s a good guy because he most definitely is not.

[storm jungle]

Excuse me thats AGATHA Creed to you

https://tenor.com/view/matilda-trunchbull-rolling-gif-7823204

[versed ledge]

Dems fighting word, Gue'la!

[signal bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/physics-axe-ouch-that-hurts-gif-17427083

[versed ledge]

We all know the farsight enclaves are the only good guys that love humanity

[barren ether]

People like to use the Tau as an example of how the Imperium could be a “better place” while forgetting that life in the Tau empire is close to 1984 (that’s hyperbole to an extent). It’s not horrible but it isn’t great to live under Tau rule either. And Farsight himself used a daemon blade and made some rather questionable choices himself

[signal bramble]

From Blade of Damocles:

‘By a warrior’s tools you shall know him,’ quoted Farsight solemnly. ‘Just as the fire caste are defined by the Hero’s Mantle we all aspire to master, the Imperial soldiery is represented by the crude weapons you see here. In their hearts, they do not intend to engage at range, but to scrabble around in murderous close-quarters combat, stabbing and slashing. The most perfunctory of uniforms is the only thing separating them from their primitive, ape-like ancestors.’

A ripple of disquiet filled the holotheatre.

‘Such a barbaric race has no place upon a core sept world,’ continued Farsight. ‘They have no role in the universe other than to be brought to heel, culled and consigned to slow oblivion.’

[barren ether]

As we say “period”.

The Tau still make real fucked up decisions themselves, it’s just that they aren’t often as bad as the Imperiums or Chaos’s

[versed ledge]

Okay fair enough

[signal bramble]

Also at the end of the farsight books, one of his earth caste scientists mentions sterilization as a colonization tool they will use.

[versed ledge]

There has to be a better faction for humanity other than the imperium or chaos

[signal bramble]

Don’t get me wrong, if I was ever to be captured alive by any 40k faction I’d pick the Tau every time.

[barren tapir]

There are, but get stomped by the imperium

[rustic spruce]

not without getting shot by one or the other

[barren ether]

The Votann or the Tau are still better than the Imperium in my opinion, just based off the fact that they are significantly smaller empires and don’t deal with the same issues

The Imperium is at war with EVERYONE. The Tau are small enough that they don’t have to deal with the issues that spring from being at war with EVERYONE IN THE GALAXY

[barren tapir]

TBF the imperium is at war with everyone because it want to be at war with everyone, other factions at least say they don't care about the others unless they have something they want

[barren ether]

The imperium is even at war with the Votann. I don’t remember the name of the largest Votann hegemony but they are at war with the Imperium. There are scattered cases of mankind working with Xenos, but for the most part, positive inter-species relations are exceedingly rare

The imperium of man encompasses the largest stretch of territory in the galaxy. They are at war with everyone because they HAVE to

[signal bramble]

Greater thurian league.

[barren ether]

Xenos races took advantage of mankind during the age of strife, leading to xenophobia. Obviously you had your Interex or any other small xenos-human empires that still existed, but for the most part humans were treated like dogshit by xenos

The Emperor of man needed to unite his race. And there’s no better way to do that then through xenophobia and hyper nationalism

[desert dust]

I'm knida hoping that the iron warriors turn into a massive player to fight Guilliman.

[barren ether]

I’m not saying the Imperium is right, I’m just trying to help increase understanding as to WHY the imperium did/does what it did

[tall estuary]

What does the 7I7 on the veteran armor mean?

[mossy mortar]

It could be 7I7

[barren ether]

They did invade Ultramar, and did create a second war on Calth

[mossy mortar]

Oh oops lol

[barren ether]

Honsou that tricky fuck

[mossy mortar]

The imperium is all the worst tendencies of history happening all at once

[signal bramble]

Death guard hit up Ultramar and the Tau.

[barren ether]

Exactly. The imperium of man is all of human culture shoved into a megalithic faction

[signal bramble]

The new shadow sun novel is Tau vs Death Guard. I forgot to mention that.

[weak fossil]

It's an abbreviation of one of the Mechanicus' most sacred blessings: 8008135

[storm jungle]

Random military armor numeral

[tall estuary]

thx

[storm jungle]

np

[mossy mortar]

Tau are supposed to be the comedy race

[desert dust]

Just have Perturabo pop put of the rift and easily take a planet then set up a some chaos fuckery that expands the rift and then he goes and takes multiple systems expanding the rift and carving out his own empire.
Then you got potential for a multi book series of people getting wrecked by chaos unable to stop the spread.
He's a demon primarch so expanding the rift keeps him in "real" space forever

[storm jungle]

Thats the orks

[mossy mortar]

Wherr they act all smug and superior and then get mega ownrd by how ridiculous the 40k universe is

[barren ether]

However how about it not be Ultramarine focused for once? The death guard already invaded ultramar

[mossy mortar]

It's supposed to be that part of the 40k mission statement where they go "forget about the promise of progress"

[weak fossil]

Yeah, the Orks are the only gits actually having a good time in the setting.

[barren ether]

Or how about Space marines NOT be focused on for once

[rustic spruce]

invading ultramar is real popular this season

everyone's doing it

[storm jungle]

Also 40k

Makes Primaris

Makes new improved guns

[mossy mortar]

Winning every battle but still losing the war is the Tau

[storm jungle]

Makes new improved vehicles

[mossy mortar]

Yeah that's why the primaris suck

[barren ether]

But at the same time it would be kinda funny for everyone to just gang up on the ultramarines

[rustic spruce]

well at least the imperium put cawl to use

[weak fossil]

Yes, but that was all Archmagos Bellysaurus Cowl being a tech heretic.

[barren ether]

Fuck it let’s do some real radical retconning and have the ultramarines die off fighting the death guard

[storm jungle]

It was plot

[desert dust]

Na not so much that he comes out in a cut off zone and just keeps expanding so by the time any primach fights they are fighting into a large empire within the rift

[mossy mortar]

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war.

It's right there in black snd white!

[rustic spruce]

The gears of plot might not be moving smoothly, but at least they're moving now

[barren ether]

However I’d argue if a threat like that were to exist, then you’d have to even the scales by introducing another loyalist primarch

[mossy mortar]

That's probably what they're going to do

Sadlu

[desert dust]

Yeah could work

[desert dust]

Hey as long as the writings good I'm all for it

[barren ether]

I really want the Lion to come back as we’ve already been shown that he’s asleep on the rock

[storm jungle]

hes coming back sooner or later

a leak has shown that the Rock is under attack

[rustic spruce]

bring jaghatai back

[barren ether]

The Lion would be an excellent foil to Guilliman in my opinion

[desert dust]

Or fulgrim since he's in stasis

[weak fossil]

When there's only one person left innovating in the entirety of humankind, and it's only allowed because they run the tech world, and it takes them 10,000 years to mod a couple of guns, change the template of a tank, and create a couple of new prosthetics, yeah, that's not progress per what we're used to seeing IRL. Think how much has changed in the last 150 years.

[barren ether]

He’s my wild card pick for returning primarch

[timid ferry]

Me when GW changes the lore (again)

[storm jungle]

Again, plot.

all the stuff you mentioned is because so people dont complain

[timid ferry]

It’s getting almost comical at this point

[barren ether]

Unfortunately I don’t think my daddy Vulkan will be brought back anytime soon

[mossy mortar]

Like when the Tau assumed titans were just Imperial propaganda because they'd be incredibly wasteful make no sense , then they run into a whole unit of them

[desert dust]

Just bring back Konrad

[mossy mortar]

Or when the Tau fought a chaos cult with a keeper of secrets and think they've actually killed this alien leader named slaanesh

[past hedge]

Not the Tau themselves it's their freakin' auxiliary species! Phil Kelly is a goddamn Fraud

[barren ether]

My dad wants Kondrad back so bad and I’ve argued with him for hours as to why he shouldn’t

[versed ledge]

The salamanders and ultramarines are the only good imperials

[rustic spruce]

obviously He'stan will find all of the remaining artefacts in one location and vulkan will instantly phase back into reality

[storm jungle]

40K lore exists to sell toys.

Lore isn't the priority and never was, its made to be interchangeable at a moment's notice.

[rustic spruce]

you telling me new primarch models wouldn't sell like hotcakes

[barren ether]

I think Vulkan is just living as some hermit on a backwater world, watching over the feral humans, and is just enjoying peace

[desert dust]

Does he want him back as a bad guy or a good guy?
Because I want him back but trying to be a good guy like he always wanted to but always fucking up

[barren ether]

I want him back but I don’t think he will

[versed ledge]

I wonder why we barely hear about the elysian drop units, the ODSTs of the 40k verse

[storm jungle]

Konrad is not a good guy lmao

why would you ever want that

hes a literal psychopath

[mossy mortar]

The difference is that before rhe lore was about giving you the chance to mske up cool stories with your toys, but now the fan base is turning into obsessive lore nerds who want more overarching storylines

[rustic spruce]

didn't konrad let himself get killed

[storm jungle]

Yeah

[mossy mortar]

And endless rounds of prequels

[storm jungle]

he hated life

and his legion

and everyone

[mossy mortar]

What a loser

[barren ether]

My dad really enjoyed the fatalistic nature of him and his twisted justice. I think my dad liked Konrad so much because of how flawed his character was, and the fact my dad is lowkey a sociopath and has weird morals

[timid ferry]

True, which is why we got Primaris. I fully expect them to add another super duper space marine+ a decade from now.

[barren ether]

Still love my dad he’s fucking awesome. Just has his quirks lol

[desert dust]

Why wouldn't I
He is but at the same time trying to be on the good guys side and fucking up at every step would be great

[storm jungle]

No hes not

LMAO

He literally flays a woman trying to commit suicide alive

hes a sack of shit

[mossy mortar]

Konrad is like 50% Batman and 50% Joker

[storm jungle]

^

[desert dust]

You ever read the night lord books?

[rustic spruce]

he's a real jokester

[storm jungle]

He got what was coming to him, and thats kinda the point.

[barren ether]

Make that a 10/90 split and then I’ll agree

[storm jungle]

Yes. He is a tragic figure that was far too gone.

[barren ether]

The Night Haunter and Konrad are two different people in my opinion

[weak fossil]

Same person

[barren ether]

It’s like two different personalities but same person

[desert dust]

Yeah that's why he went completely insane and by the end committed suicide to (repent)

[storm jungle]

He didnt want to repent

he just wanted to die

lmao

[barren ether]

Based

[storm jungle]

This is super bad konrad apologism at this point

[mossy mortar]

Well he is angsty and fights crime, but is also murderous and insane

[barren ether]

That’s why I love Konrad. He didn’t care

[desert dust]

Well he did hate everything he became

And legion

[storm jungle]

Im guessing he also tortured Vulkan and killed his Marines and tormented him for years on his ship because he was a good person

[desert dust]

Fuck no he's a nut job

[rustic spruce]

but was it alpharius or omegon that died

[barren ether]

He fought crime for like a few years on a fucking CrimePlanet^TM. It doesn’t count in my opinion lmao

Shit went sideways once he left

[mossy mortar]

I mean he's clearly a Batman reference

[barren ether]

He never fought crime. He was just a cunt

[mossy mortar]

Just evil grimdark Batman

[weak fossil]

He's pretty much an alternate version of Sanguinius. He could see the future, and was such a misanthropic sadboy that hated everyone that he never tried to change it. He just wanted to scream about how everything was awful, do the things that he foresaw happening, then point back at them as proof that he was right.

[storm jungle]

Sanguinius LITERALLY tells this to him btw

then jettisons him out into space

[mossy mortar]

Sanguinius went to radioactive wasteland hell planet but had a real family

[desert dust]

I'm not saying he's a good person he's far to gone for that but if he came back trying to do good after fucking up so hard before.
He would still help just in his own deranged way

[barren ether]

Yeah except Sanguinius also pisses me off as a character because he was a cuck for the emperor and could’ve changed his fate but didn’t

[mossy mortar]

It shows the power of friendship

[storm jungle]

thats just ruining his character imo

[barren ether]

That’s a real hot take right there

[desert dust]

Probably

[barren ether]

Sanguinius is a weak character

In terms of writing

[desert dust]

Trying to redeem him self but fucking up seems fun

[storm jungle]

Sanguinius is good

but uh

one dimensional

I might be biased because hes hot tho so

[mossy mortar]

Sanguinius is supposed to be the common peoples' favorite Primarch

Lkke a christ figure

[barren ether]

“Oh no I’m just gonna accept this fate that I know I can change but oh no it’s fate.”

[mossy mortar]

If Christ was also a beautiful vampire man

[storm jungle]

Mfer legit attacked everyone in the Siege because he knew he had plot armor 💀

[barren ether]

“I could totally tell everyone that this shits gonna happen but noooooo it HAS to happen”

[mossy mortar]

I mean that's how prophesies work

[weak fossil]

Has there been any mention of Corvus since Lorgar left his bunker? Who is he squawking at now?

[desert dust]

I think my favourite when I read upto book 18 was fulgrim and horus but after mirror cracked its kinda shit

[frail lake]

Andrew Tate space marine?

[barren ether]

But he knew the ending to this prophecy would end up as a net negative for EVERYONE

[desert dust]

Na no sex drive

[barren ether]

Sanguinius is the biggest cuck in 40k and I will die on this hill

[mossy mortar]

Uh huh

[barren ether]

Kondrad was a schizo. Sangy was a pussy

[desert dust]

Konrad tried sangy didn't

[barren ether]

The emperor was a horrible dad who gave his children complexes

[desert dust]

And look what it got Konrad

[frail lake]

40k has so much lore I'm never gonna know the half of it

[mossy mortar]

It's ok

[desert dust]

So let's TRY IT AGAIN

[mossy mortar]

A lot of 40k lore started as in-jokes it's great

But the problem is it's getting taken over by people who don't understand the references

[frail lake]

I just watched the funny animation between the imperial fist and the iron warriors

[storm jungle]

It really doesn't.

Find a proper footing and you will pretty much know most of the lore in a week or two tbh.

[mossy mortar]

So I'd recommend reading the classics and history that inspired the lore

[frail lake]

I can't read

[mossy mortar]

Like if you haven't read the scifi classics of that era like Dune, Foundation, a Canticle for Liebowitz etc

[desert dust]

Don't worry audiobooks help

[frail lake]

I can't hear

[desert dust]

Any way you don't need to know any lore just start with hh1 or gaunts ghosts or cain

The lores just fluff for the good stories

And eisenhorn

[barren ether]

Eisonhorn and the Ghaunts Ghosts books are the best place to start without a doubt

[mossy mortar]

It's fantasy, which is also described as historical fiction for unknown histories

[barren ether]

Space Marine books give a very different perspective on things, and I’d say reading through the eyes of a regular human first will give you a better understanding of the setting

[timid ferry]

Dune is the big one. Big E himself is basically Leto II

[barren ether]

My first 40k book was an Imperial fists book and I was so confused in 4th grade

[timid ferry]

Other inspirations include 2000 AD. Arbites are pretty blatant Judge Dredd expys

[mossy mortar]

40k is like an insane fever dream of Warhammer Fantasy, Dune, Osprey books, and 2000AD

[storm jungle]

Yeah Dune is the grandfather of modern sci-fi more or less

same with LOTR being modern fantasy's grandaddy

[mossy mortar]

Dune and Asimov

Which are like two extremes on the scale

[storm jungle]

early 40k/Warhammer Fantasy took half its ""inspirations"" from it

[mossy mortar]

Warhammer fantasy is Tolkein with a distinctly germanic twist

[weak fossil]

Asimov wrote more foundational works

[signal bramble]

Not anymore.

The Tau are religious now.

[mossy mortar]

Tolkein as filtered through the HRE

[storm jungle]

yeah like

[mossy mortar]

Snd Grimms fairy tales

[storm jungle]

Durthu is literally Treebeard Hitler

Alarielle is just Galadrielle

etc etc

[signal bramble]

Did you see kasrkin yet?

[storm jungle]

I have

it was shit

[signal bramble]

I call the planet it takes place on “Not-Arrakis”

[storm jungle]

LMAO

Yeah its literally Arrakis

it was super cringe

[mossy mortar]

You mean Tattooine??

[signal bramble]

There was the not fremen.

The not spice melange.

Etc.

[storm jungle]

Yeaaaah

this is this guy's second BL book

first was Silent Hunters which was also terrible

[signal bramble]

It clearly is but it’s not because its called something different.

Hence why I call it “Not Arrakis”

[storm jungle]

Yeah the entire book was just bad

the necron parts were neat

ish

[signal bramble]

I thought it was good until the necrons popped up. I wanted a crazy spec ops novel of elite kasrkin against Tau pathfinders and kroot.

The necron part should have been it’s own novel.

[storm jungle]

I did like how the Overlord atomises one of the Kasrkin, realises his mistake, then de-atomises him back to his normal self

that was genuinely "how the FUCK"

[weak fossil]

It's a setting with teleporters. De-atomisation is already canon

[timid ferry]

Magic sufficiently advanced technology. Source: The author made it up

[storm jungle]

No like

he literally returns him back to his human body from fucking ash

im not saying necrons couldnt do that but it was pretty funny

[earnest snow]

Which book we talking about and how come I haven't read it yet

[storm jungle]

Kasrkin™️

super new

[earnest snow]

Wait. Someone got de-atomized then re-atomized? Where did they keep all the atoms!?

[storm jungle]

Idk ask the necron that did it

he was playing a prank

he was just a lil guy

[weak fossil]

Yeah, having the necrons being able to do that, while getting real sad about not being able to return to their miserable cancer-ridden flesh bodies, is particularly odd.

[timid ferry]

I still have a significant backlog 😭 It’s hard to get hard copies in my neck of the world

[storm jungle]

Honestly

just read a summary of it on reddit

[past hedge]

I don't think the end of that book entails that

[earnest snow]

Welp this is a permanent head canon for me. Idc how stupid it is

The Necrons can play atomizer pranks

[storm jungle]

Its not headcannon

[weak fossil]

Didn't the humans in the Tau empire create a new Shiva-style warp god to represent The Greater Good?

[storm jungle]

Necrons literally can do anything with space magic

this is like the least believable thing they do

[past hedge]

But it's not their main religion and or thing

[earnest snow]

I'm saying this in case a future retcon comes into play. Never know. I will keep this information in my brain, and repeat it fervently.

[storm jungle]

Nah

thats like impossible to do with necrons

[earnest snow]

Though idk too much on Necrons

[storm jungle]

Basically their tech is to the point that it seems like magic to most people

they got snipers that hide in pocket dimensions that can erase you from reality with their rifles lol

The only reason they dont steamroll all the other factions is due to infighting/plot convenience

[earnest snow]

And them being sleepy heads

[ornate apex]

Good ol plot armour

[earnest snow]

Good ol' millennia long snooze

[weak fossil]

Also being 99% sleeping rustbuckets in underground crypts.

[rustic spruce]

necrons got an orb that fires a whole ass star laser at the enemy

[storm jungle]

^

a c'tan shard also can send you to uh

the darkness before the big bang even happened

[mossy mortar]

They went a little overboard on the necron lore ngl

[storm jungle]

Nah it fits them

[versed ledge]

Say what?

Praise Shiva then

[earnest snow]

The Necrons do be built different

[storm jungle]

Literally

[mossy mortar]

Same with literally every mystery for a while being "a ctan did it" back in 5th edition

Or was it 4th

[earnest snow]

I hope the Necrons go to the Emperor and just do space pranks on him for jokes while the rest of the Imperium stares in horror, and Guilliman is dead inside.

It was just a joke, human

[ruby sparrow]

getting fuckin samurai jack'd by a c'tan shard

[storm jungle]

There is one dynasty that could blow up Terra with a single tap on a starmap if they wanted to.

[mossy mortar]

Honestly it seems like they've stopped doing the dropping interesting hints thing and just over explain everything now

[earnest snow]

Imperium better hope they don't get too angy at them then lmao

[ruby sparrow]

"We could nuke everything but we're eepy"

[rustic spruce]

gotta love the star map of doom

[storm jungle]

The thing with the starmap is the dynasty/necrons that run it are ACTUALLY responsible beings and dont want to overuse it otherwise blowing up so many planets repeatedly like a mad-man would probably affect the literal space a bit lol

[weak fossil]

Showed up in War of Secrets

[earnest snow]

Honestly not a bad explanation.

[ruby sparrow]

so was wh40k originally a shitpost on WH fantasy (as in an official shitpost)

[storm jungle]

Yeah they also protect it from other crons

since they are like

"LET US USE THE MAP AND NUKE EVERYONE"

"What the fuck, no."

[ruby sparrow]

"I wanna press da funny buttons" "do not"

[earnest snow]

Necrons don't like organisms. I mean, didn't some Necrons react badly to one mentioning dung or bodily functions lmao?

[storm jungle]

Every Necron and the Dynasty they are a part of + their ideology is dependant.

Again mostly for homebrew purposes.

[ruby sparrow]

So necrons were basically a port of tomb kings originally right

[earnest snow]

Thankfully. I do like some homebrew stuff. Lets the freedom fly

[ruby sparrow]

originally

[storm jungle]

Less tomb kings, more just "Space Egyptian Robots"

[weak fossil]

Wait they can actually change things with the star map? I thought it was being used to monitor the progress of evicting the warp from realspace?

[storm jungle]

Nope just blow up planets/make things go supernova

[ruby sparrow]

So space robot tomb kings

[storm jungle]

More or less.

[ruby sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/settra-the-imperishable-total-war-warhammer-khemri-tomb-kings-warhammer-fantasy-gif-25029209

[earnest snow]

I just find it...oddly human? Sometimes more human than the humans themselves when they're written about. "EWWW YOU SAID POO!" "DELETE THEIR SYSTEM34 RIGHT NOW, OVERLORD!" "PLEASE WE ARE DYING 011011100111!"

[weak fossil]

Yeah, particularly in comparison to the mechanicus.

[earnest snow]

^

[storm jungle]

One of the necron guardians in the book feels ultimate shame because he let a gretchin touch the literal footstep of his overlord's throne

he kills it afterwards sure

but the damage is done

😔

[earnest snow]

ngl I would feel shame too if a gretchin touched that stuff

Necrons need therapist

[storm jungle]

Lmao

[ruby sparrow]

"how the Fuck did we let a gretchin in here"

[rustic spruce]

even orks hate when gretchins touch things

[storm jungle]

iirc it was because some orks were charging the overlord's throne room

[ruby sparrow]

"Oh fuck i'm going to loose my fucking job over this arent I."

[storm jungle]

HONESTLY could happen

Some Necrons care a lot about honor due to the egyptian angle

like uh

[ruby sparrow]

I mean if you let an enemy in the throneroom, you better have died trying to prevent it

[storm jungle]

the Silent King destroyed an entire planet with his world-barge because a Space Marine refused an honor duel with another dynasty's renowed overlord

he was like

"Hold on bro i got this"

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-40k-exterminatus-explode-gif-16225998

[ruby sparrow]

"Duel me" "no" "Did i hear a fuckin pussy declinin an honor duel" "wait please thats a bit extre" you lost your planet privledges

[earnest snow]

Shoulda dueled em

Said the inquisitor lmao

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah the Silent King is a chad

literally going out of his way to do that for some random overlord

[brittle slate]

Pfffff

[ruby sparrow]

Unfathomably based

[brittle slate]

I think the silent king’s a big ol windbag

[storm jungle]

Nah.

[brittle slate]

Spent a few million years out in the middle of nowhere to come back and…

Nothing

[storm jungle]

Nothing

Literally establishing Pariah Nexuses

Reuniting the dynasties

Murdering anyone that tries to stop him

yeah, whole lot of nothing

[ruby sparrow]

How many titles does he have

[weak fossil]

Discovered the Tyrranids and started prepping to defend against them

[ruby sparrow]

we need to compare to setra

[brittle slate]

Let’s see:

1. The dynasties were already coming back. Unification has been more or less a breeze.

2. Tyranids already hit the galaxy and continue to do so. He discovered them… and has done what to slow down them gulping down the galaxy

[storm jungle]

The dynasties werent really coming back

They are either all asleep or cant do much

because plot

[ruby sparrow]

Look most of the dynasties forgot to turn on their fucking alarmclocks

[storm jungle]

^

It has been established as him waking a lot of them up

2. Tyranids already hit the galaxy and continue to do so. He discovered them… and has done what to slow down them gulping down the galaxy

Because 40k lore moves at a snail's pace

especially for xenos factions

[ruby sparrow]

"Wake up kiddos you're late for galactic conquest"

[brittle slate]

They’ve been coming back since the initial wakening on angelus

[storm jungle]

Not really.

Like I said, some dynasties never wake up.

[ruby sparrow]

Eepy

[brittle slate]

Seems like a lot of excuses

[ruby sparrow]

they're like college students the week after final exams

[storm jungle]

Welcome to 40k lore lol

[ruby sparrow]

ya aint waking the fuckers up

Plus a lot of them are waking up to a fucking hive city on top of them or some shit

[storm jungle]

Yeah pretty much "you arent allowed to do anything because you are too OP"

same with nids and orks

[ruby sparrow]

Orks arent allowed to do anything because if they killed everyone else they'd only have eachother to fight and thats boring

did. did the bot just delete my orky post

[weak fossil]

Literally the story of how the Krorks became the Orks.

[ruby sparrow]

wait really

[storm jungle]

Yeah they de-evolved

[ruby sparrow]

did they just kill everyone else and then just have nothing else to do

or almost everyone else

[weak fossil]

Yeah. Got bored, became dumb to be able to enjoy the simple pleasure of crumpin

[mossy mortar]

They used to have no personality, then they went with Alzheimer's tomb kings

[ruby sparrow]

"well, its over. We won." "What do we do now." "i dont fuckin know" "Species wide barfight" "Y E S"

[brittle slate]

I preferred OG necrons

[storm jungle]

God

for the last goddamn time

Oldcrons had nothing

No personality

No plot

No homebrew possiblities

this whole stupid "they were cosmic horrors" thing gets so odl

[brittle slate]

Sounds like you weren’t a fan of reading their lore then…

[ruby sparrow]

Trazyns a necron right. forgive me for being fuckin stupid

[storm jungle]

Nobody was lol

[mossy mortar]

I liked when they were still possibly men of iron

[ruby sparrow]

I momentarily forgot

[storm jungle]

why do you think they got retconned into what they are now

[brittle slate]

A cheap copy off tomb kings is for children

[ruby sparrow]

do necron at least still have chariots

[storm jungle]

You do realise tomb kings arent the originator of space egyptians right

[ruby sparrow]

I know

[storm jungle]

also like

necrons were always egyptian

[mossy mortar]

They were afraid of being too tomb kings in space and went too far onto the Terminator side of the spectrum

[ruby sparrow]

but they're likely the basis

[storm jungle]

[ruby sparrow]

did tomb kings come before necron

[storm jungle]

Yes

[weak fossil]

Aren't all the STCs, battleships, titans, and half the tanks still technically men of iron?

[mossy mortar]

Yes

[mossy mortar]

No

[storm jungle]

The men of Iron are basically just AI

[mossy mortar]

Men of iron are literal robots

[storm jungle]

self-aware programs

[brittle slate]

The only thing more stupid then the weird “jolly good” necrons are the primaris in general

[mossy mortar]

AI is more men of stone

[ruby sparrow]

yeah IIRC warhammer 40k was a thing where while warhammer was on the fantasy leaning of science fantasy

40ks closer to the scifi side

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt call watcihng your entire race wither away "jolly"

[brittle slate]

They literally talk like English gentlemen

[storm jungle]

No they dont

lmao

[brittle slate]

I’ll dig up the excerpt

[storm jungle]

Thats literally just Zhandrekh

[mossy mortar]

Warhammer is entirely fantasy

[storm jungle]

whos literally losing his mind

Tho the book does hint he might be putting up an act for it

[ruby sparrow]

I mean Oxballs, we have skaven with nukes and such

[mossy mortar]

Magic nukes

Ok fantasy with a side of weird tales/horror

[weak fossil]

The STCs sometimes wake up and do things on their own, as do the battleships, and the titan pilots have to battle the personalities of the titan to be able to make it do anything at all...

[storm jungle]

Its all AI yeah

[mossy mortar]

There's no STCs

[storm jungle]

STCs are more just tech

[mossy mortar]

There's fragments of STCs

Finding an intact STC system is one of the potential win scenario for the imperium though

[brittle slate]

Sound like a bunch of old British gentlemen:

https://www.reddit.com/r/40kLore/comments/k11f4j/excerpt_the_infinite_and_the_divine_trazyn_muses/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

[last lagoon]

House Orlock has a malfunctioning stc that gives them cancer

[storm jungle]

That's the uh... joke

also literally what about this is english

It just comes off as two arrogant robots

[ruby sparrow]

So, recap on servoskulls and servitors, theyre basically using human brainpower as compooter or machine because ai and compooters for the most part are banned because the inquisitors will shit their pants if the toaster defects to khorne again.

[brittle slate]

Your cup of tea then. Too many “ah my good sirs”

[storm jungle]

You do realise not every necron with sentience is like this right

[brittle slate]

Yes it’s a lift off of dune

[ruby sparrow]

I mean to be fair dune is pretty fuckin solid

[brittle slate]

It’s just stupid.

[mossy mortar]

There's also savants which are basically just mentats

[storm jungle]

It's really not but sure.

[storm jungle]

Brain-calculator go brrr

https://tenor.com/view/dune-mentat-thufir-thinking-thufir-hawat-gif-24418611

[ruby sparrow]

SO whats the deal with trazyn the kleptomaniac

[last lagoon]

Its literally two of the most pompous and arrogant necrons arguing with each other

[mossy mortar]

It's because of the nrar apocalyptic wars with AIs in the distant past

[storm jungle]

He more or so wants to preserve what interesting things the galaxy has and display them on his planet-museum

basically what our modern historians do now

[mossy mortar]

He's just a jerk lol

[storm jungle]

also this lol

He literally only saved Cadia

because

and I quote

"Wanted to be like a hero for a day"

then fucked off

[last lagoon]

With Creed

[storm jungle]

YEP

[ruby sparrow]

so basically necron indiana jones with unfathomable levels of crackhead energy

[storm jungle]

Yes on Jones

less on crackhead

[mossy mortar]

And a big dose of ennui

[storm jungle]

He is very softspoken and """nice"""

[mossy mortar]

Dude is bored

[storm jungle]

^

This is a big plot point

because he literally has to hav A HOBBY lest he goes insane

[ruby sparrow]

is it literally just "I have nothing better to do"

[storm jungle]

Time passes fast for crons since you are basically immortal

[weak fossil]

If Death of Integrity is to be believed, the AIs were literally trying to warn humans about chaos and its perils and the dumb humies didn't want to listen, thus starting the robot war

[ruby sparrow]

"look i'm immortal I need something to pass the time and knitting got boring after the first century

[mossy mortar]

He's an immortal being with no friends

[brittle slate]

He’s an eccentric Englishman that likes taking things. It’s hilarious.

[storm jungle]

There was also men of Iron that helped humans

not every robot was against them

[brittle slate]

40k is just so much funnier this way.

[ruby sparrow]

So its just that humanity had a kneejerk reaction as per usual and just went "robot man bad"

[storm jungle]

More or less

[brittle slate]

No

[mossy mortar]

Dunno it's literally ancient history

[storm jungle]

^

We dont know a lot of the things about the rebellion

[ruby sparrow]

and the inquisition probably burns most records of it

[storm jungle]

They cant because it was ANCIENT

[last lagoon]

You also have to take in Imperial propaganda about it

[storm jungle]

Most inquisitors have no idea it probably even happened

[mossy mortar]

Yeah the inquisition really likes burning things

[weak fossil]

Just that section from Death of Integrity, yeah.

[ruby sparrow]

fair nuff

[mossy mortar]

But then libraries get burned down a lot

By invading whatevers

Or riots

[brittle slate]

There’s a quote that implies the men of iron discovered the connection humanity had with chaos

[timid ferry]

Burn all the records! They only contain heresy anyways.

[mossy mortar]

Or fanatics who go breaking museums with sledgehammers

[ruby sparrow]

also, whats the deal with underhives, are they just too fucking detroit for inquisitors to mess with

[brittle slate]

So the men of iron decided to purge humanity

Otherwise it’s pretty basic “ai is bad”

[storm jungle]

Basically

need more space for humans

[weak fossil]

That's the plot of Darktide, yeah.

[brittle slate]

That said, the AI rebellion made a tone in the 40k universe that all AI is bad

[mossy mortar]

I think various parties sponsor expeditions looking for precious archaeotech

[brittle slate]

From Eldar to the Orks

[mossy mortar]

Usually heavily armed

A lot never come back of course

[ruby sparrow]

Yeah but they're basically treating it like a warzone because it basically is

[brittle slate]

Which is why there are people horrified of the tau

[weak fossil]

They have the Astra Militarum sweep the top levels of the undercities periodically to get rid of muties and heretics, just sweeping it under the rug and kicking the can down the road, until something like Tertium happens, then the Inquisition shows up to either do a strong purge or exterminatus the planet.

[brittle slate]

But… I believe at this point I’m talking to myself

[signal bramble]

It’s cost vs benefit.

[timid ferry]

Less ‘Too Detroit.’ More “lmao, who gives a shit about the underhive. You there, acolyte fodder. You go take care of it. I got more important heretics to fry”

[mossy mortar]

I mean it would be a good setup for a roguelike

[signal bramble]

One hive falling won’t warrant an exterminatus.

[ruby sparrow]

Inquisitors investigating a hive city?

or underhive?

[mossy mortar]

There's often lots of valuable stuff in underhives

[earnest snow]

Like corpse starch

[mossy mortar]

No it would be treasure hunters delving into the underhive

[ruby sparrow]

Nobody knows what the fucks going on in the underhive its just an utter mess which most people dont want to touch

[mossy mortar]

Since the lowest levels are often the oldest, and the older the technology the better it is in 40k...

[ruby sparrow]

More there's likely a line where we go to the point where we pass the historical point of technological decline

[weak fossil]

If the heretics in the underhive turn the entire bedrock into a giant summoning symbol to start a daemonic invasion though...

The outcome of Darktide is likely to be exterminatus, in the end. Or a full on invasion, if there's actually anything on the planet the Imperium really needs.

[storm jungle]

As Morrow says

"We fight until theres no hope left. Thats the job."

[ruby sparrow]

also the level design of the church district map is

[mossy mortar]

Yeah it rules

[signal bramble]

One hive falling can be contained.

[weak fossil]

Ooooh yeah. Fatshark make some really beautiful games.