40k-lore-chat

[crisp heath]

they look like a dude

they act like a dude.

[wind heron]

yea lol

[brittle slate]

I'm just tired of keyboard warriors insisting that Sisters have faith and power armor and that makes them the giga chad a space marine is

[wind heron]

So stopped paying taxes and everything?

[brittle slate]

it's exhausting... but i die on this hill happily

[acoustic copper]

@crisp heath I mean at the end of the day do what you wanna do, plenty of people have done cool female marines, you just gotta understand that you're going against what GW have written - which is fine

[wind heron]

Do Eldar have space marine equivalents?

[rustic spruce]

40k lore is hardly ever consistent anyways

We all end up in the retconium eventually

[brittle slate]

In a universe where you can terraform planets and time travel- the reason they give for no female marines is laughable

[acoustic copper]

GW don't really retcon all that much, they tend to just not mention it for decades

[brittle slate]

"erm, dah hormones!"

[acoustic copper]

Agreed, but they did still say it

[brittle slate]

Just make the Emperor a sexist- it would actually make a lot of sense

[crisp heath]

MFER

[brittle slate]

And they redo lore all the time (not retcon*) why would you ever embrace something stupid the IP holder says?

[wind heron]

Emperor a rat, just like theres no female stormvermin

[brittle slate]

Just keep rejecting it until popular opinion makes it real

[crisp heath]

Then the same people say sisters can be killed by fucking slug rounds to the power armor.

[brittle slate]

presto

[brittle slate]

lol

[acoustic copper]

then why are we here at all. All of 40k lore is "something stupid the IP holder says"

[brittle slate]

that's a pretty silly reaction

[acoustic copper]

"yeah, there are like, these ancient space elves man, and they orgied a god into existance and all died except the ones that flew away on, like, massive ships. And some that became like space hippies, and some that didn't wanna change so hid away in subspace"

[wind heron]

How effective is power armor?

[brittle slate]

like- people didn't like the direction the DC universe was going in= The Batman

[brittle slate]

depends what type

[brittle slate]

i'm not sure how to react to that

[acoustic copper]

All aspects of 40k lore sound stupid to someone

[brittle slate]

and hence be part of the evolution...

Don't just sit there on the couch and eat whatever they shove into you

[acoustic copper]

we have fucking sentient mushroom football hooligans running around and they're one of the most popular factions

[wind heron]

why cant we make weapons in game?

Like are there no factories?

[acoustic copper]

well there are, but they're a little bit infested

[wind heron]

and everythings like a Steam Tank in Fantasy?

[acoustic copper]

hence all those missions to un-infest them

[wind heron]

oh

[acoustic copper]

starting up a hive manufacturing facility so your veteran guardsman can get a shiny new lasgun is like starting up a whole car plant so you can get one new ride

[wind heron]

How come the Inquisitors not fighting his own battles smh

[brittle slate]

Busy

Like the boss he is

[rustic spruce]

Bring me a tech adept class for darktide

[acoustic copper]

because Inquisitors are very important and if they die down there the whole plan to liberate the world goes to shit. We're expendable

hence all those cutscenes telling us we're expendable

[wind heron]

ooof

[brittle slate]

par for the course

[rustic spruce]

We’re not expendable, we are warriors

[acoustic copper]

we aren't the heroes of the Darktide story, we're just surprisingly resilient cannon fodder

[wind heron]

I thought people killed Inquisitors all the time

Like the Space Wolves

[acoustic copper]

yeah, and it's always a big deal

[wind heron]

👀

[acoustic copper]

the Space Wolves tend to kill Inquisitors who try and fuck with them. And that is why the Inquisition tends not to trust them

[brittle slate]

still think we're being empowered by the inquisitor

[brittle slate]

maybe in the past. now they simp.

[wind heron]

ooof

[acoustic copper]

what, through his magical orbital Inquisitor powers?

[dusk patrol]

The way we’re empowered is we’re sent on feasible enough missions and allowed some halfway decent gear

And allowed to live

[wind heron]

How come we cant play as an Inquisitor smh

[crisp heath]

she is, you mean

atleast tmk

she is.

[dusk patrol]

We don’t know who Grendyl is

It’s not the lady in the trailer

She’s Shipmistress Brahms or something

[acoustic copper]

looks like a dude to me

[dusk patrol]

He or she swaps to three different faces

One is a girl

One is an Ogryn

[crisp heath]

well no

we see her

in the cinematic

on opening the game

[dusk patrol]

No we don’t

[wind heron]

I thought Grendyl was a Servitor

[dusk patrol]

That’s Brahms

[crisp heath]

yes, we do.

[dusk patrol]

Not Grendyl

[crisp heath]

Thats the inquisitor.

[dusk patrol]

She’s the Shipmistress

[crisp heath]

grendyl is a servitor.

[dusk patrol]

It’s literally not

Turn on the subtitles

[crisp heath]

okay hang on

[brittle slate]

No, there are psyker powers that "plus" up people

[acoustic copper]

again, from orbit?

[dusk patrol]

It’s the “Shipmistress” and the CMs mentioned it’s not Grendyl

[brittle slate]

we don't know who that is

could be the ship mistress

[dusk patrol]

We do know

It’s the Shipmistress Brahm

[wind heron]

How important are shipmistresses?

[brittle slate]

well, there you go

[dusk patrol]

It does make it out like she’s the Inquisitor though

[wind heron]

are they like captains?

[dusk patrol]

But she’s not apparently

[brittle slate]

it's the captain of the ship

[dusk patrol]

Basically

Importance is highly variable

She might be a Rogue Trader

Or from a dynasty

[acoustic copper]

yeah just rewatched the cinematic, guess they are hiding their identity

[dusk patrol]

Or she might just be an Inquisition person

[wind heron]

Inqusiitor might be the microtransaction person

[acoustic copper]

the idea of an Ogryn inquisitor is kinda funny

[wind heron]

in disguise

Can you have Servitor Inquisitors?

[acoustic copper]

no

for the same reason you can't have Wrench or lasgun inquisitors. Servitors are tools

[wind heron]

Oh oof

How does pne become an Inqusitor?

[acoustic copper]

an Inquisitor picks you and trains you

sometimes, but not always, there's a vote of other Inquisitors involved

[wind heron]

Ohh cant just declare yourself one?

Is a good ol boys club?

[acoustic copper]

well you can, but then the actual inquisitors will come and kill you for impersonating one

[celest dome]

They would certainly kill you for that

[wind heron]

Unless I guess gotta kill them first

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors are arguably the strongest faction the imperium has

besides the actual custodes

[celest dome]

Well that will be difficult

They have the best bodyguards and stuff

[wind heron]

I see

[acoustic copper]

yeah, but you're some random nobody and they have access to any resources they like and the ultimate authority to do whatever they want

[wind heron]

Yikes

[crisp heath]

Inquisitors can beat marines in arm wrestles if they need to, thanks to implants.

[wind heron]

Does Chaos try and hunt down Inquisitors and all?

[crisp heath]

like

[acoustic copper]

"Oh I'll kill you, I have a bolter" Orbital lance strike destroys everything within a kilometer of your location

[crisp heath]

their bank accounts are planet sized.

[dusk patrol]

Well, some can

This is not typical

[crisp heath]

even if they cant.

[dusk patrol]

Most are “normal” humans but they have a lot of power

[crisp heath]

They have weapons with more than enough firepower.

[wind heron]

I see so they basically the 1%?

[acoustic copper]

the more frontlin ones can get augmentations and power/terminator armour

[crisp heath]

nah

[dusk patrol]

The 0.0000001%

[crisp heath]

thats the high lords of terra

But if you mean like, in the entire galaxy, then yeah, probably.

[dusk patrol]

What the hell bot

Bot on here sucks. Anyways, they’re the highest rarest and echelons

[acoustic copper]

it's not a money thing, it's "The Imperium is big and cumbersome and slow to react, we need people who can respond quickly and not be restricted by rules, so we will give a very small number of people ultimate power to do whatever they think is necessary, and the only people able to watch over them will be themselves"

[wind heron]

So they're like the strongest Imperial faction aboit?

[dusk patrol]

Just be aware that like, there’s quadrillions, maybe quintillions of people in the Imperium

There’s probably hundreds thousands of Inquisitors

If that

[acoustic copper]

person for person, yes

Space Marine chapter masters are sometimes on their level, but they have very different kinds of power

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the chapter they’re from

[wind heron]

What happens if somebodys got an objection to some Inquisitor decisiom?

[acoustic copper]

they get shot

[dusk patrol]

First founding chapters have a lot more power than your average run-of-the-mill chapter

[acoustic copper]

unless they're also an Inquisitor

[wind heron]

💀

[acoustic copper]

in which case they sometimes talk it out, or they get shot

[dusk patrol]

And even then certain quizzes are lords, can still at least try to tell them what to do

[wind heron]

How bout like other alien factions?

Like if an Inquisitors trying to order around some Orks?

[acoustic copper]

other alien factions don't have any authority over the Inquisition at all. they're filthy aliens, who cares what they thik

[storm jungle]

ARYA

FOR THE LOVE OF GOD

READ THE LEXICANUM OR WIKI

IM BEGGING YOU

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-squarepants-begging-pretty-please-beg-on-your-knees-pray-for-mercy-gif-26344462

[brittle slate]

yes

[acoustic copper]

or a book

[storm jungle]

THAT TOO

[wind heron]

Have aliens ever ganked an Inquisitor who got too uppity?

[acoustic copper]

sometimes

[storm jungle]

Inquisitors can die to pretty much any scenario imaginable so yeah

[wind heron]

💀

[acoustic copper]

Aliens are outside the imperium, what do they care if some asshole comes along saying they're special and ordering them around

[wind heron]

But its like killing some billionaire huh?

[acoustic copper]

I guess. there's not really a straight comparison

[storm jungle]

Its more like killing a federal agent

[acoustic copper]

it's like killing an Inquisitor, because we have no equivalent to Inquisitors, so if your only way of understanding something is to compare it to something we have on earth right now, not sure what to say because there isn't one

[wind heron]

Ohhh I see

[storm jungle]

its the same reason people assume they got so much power

but its like

a DEA officer walking into a cartel leader's mansion

[wind heron]

Thanks!

[storm jungle]

and saying they are arresting him

it doesnt exactly always go well

[wind heron]

😆

[acoustic copper]

and this is why they gather other forces (like penal legionairres together and chuck them out on missions instead

[wind heron]

so they cowards is what you saying?

[narrow mantle]

Yeah, plus most inquisitors are very full of themselves so they are a bit rare to just find

[acoustic copper]

no, they understand their worth

[wind heron]

Oh

Pretty skaven like to be using cannon fodder oof

[acoustic copper]

the one thing you can say about Inquisitors is that they aren't stupid, they'll go into battle if they think it's necessary but they're not going to throw themselves in the way for the sake of something like "collect these samples" or "hit these three eyes" like the missions we're doing in darktide

[wind heron]

I guess you can write about women Inquisitors

[acoustic copper]

yeah, there are plenty of women inquisitors

[wind heron]

Equal opportunity space fascist 👀

[acoustic copper]

outside of the Space Marines, Custodes, Sisters of Battle & Sisters of Silence no other branch of the Imperium gives a damn about your gender

Callidus assassins have a slight preference for women because they take to the transformation better but that doesn't mean there aren't any men

[wind heron]

I seee

[brittle slate]

unless a space marine is an inquisitor!

albeit that's only happened in one instant.

[wind heron]

What happens if an Inquisitor becomes heretical?

[brittle slate]

there's a fight

[wind heron]

And just whoever wins is right?

[brittle slate]

The Tau and Genestealer Cults have both turned inquisitors

[wind heron]

when the other Inquisitors go after em 💀

[wind heron]

So they defect?

[brittle slate]

well

in the Genestealer Cult's instance they get glamoured

in the Tau instance it could be Nagi infestation but from his perspective it's that this is the best chance for humanity

[wind heron]

I see!

[acoustic copper]

The Inquisition is a flat structure, nobody has more authority than an Inquisitor, and all Inquisitors have equal (and ultimate) authority. So if an Inquisitor goes rogue, or does something another Inquisitor doesn't like, they either talk it out, put it to a vote (of other nearby Inquisitors) or fight each other, either one on one or using any resources they've managed to gather. Even Lord Inquisitors and the Inquisitorial Representative in the High Lords doesn't have more authority than any other Inquisitor, they're just titles of respect (in the case of Lord Inquisitor) or a job title that gets passed around (in the case of the representative)

[crisp heath]

Well

[wind heron]

I see 👀

[crisp heath]

besides lord inquisitor

by virtue of "ive been at this long enough"

[wind heron]

so they like a local warlord?

[crisp heath]

no..

think more like

James Bond

[wind heron]

Where they just have their own band of supporters

[crisp heath]

Well no

their band of supporters

are not special or unique

infact

the sororitas themselves

are the militant aspect of the ordo hereticus

grey knights, ordo malleus

[wind heron]

👀

[crisp heath]

xenos, deathwatch

[acoustic copper]

They were, I don't think they are anymore

[crisp heath]

they are still, technically

its a weird grey area

where they are both

inquisitorial and imperial

especially with one high lord sister.

[brittle slate]

kinda, depends on the inquisitor

[timid ferry]

Inquisitors have absolute authority in theory alone. There are plenty of instances where an inquisitor overstepped his or her bounds and got smacked down.

[crisp heath]

this depends on where.

a inquisitor wont do some dumb shit if they are intelligent.

the best way i put it is

in terms of day to day, limitless power

but to a primarch or custodian, they lose it quickly

[acoustic copper]

They have authority up until the point another Inquisitor says no, or someone powerful like a chapter master goes "I'm not doing that, how are you going to make me"

[crisp heath]

id argue

even chapters fall prey

they can just declare them hereticus

[acoustic copper]

Depends on the chapter and the Inquisitor

[crisp heath]

see: sadge marines

[acoustic copper]

If the Inquisitor asks a chapter to do something and they say no, and then the same Inquisitor goes to another chapter and says "see? They said no, they're Heretics", then the first chapter is in trouble. If the second chapter goes "are you kidding, we know those guys, they're fine" then the Inquisitor can't just directly take command of the chapter

[timid ferry]

Depends on the organization. No inquisitor or group of inquisitors is ever going to get a chapter like the ultra marines declared Excommunicate Traitoris. Not with papa smurf around. The inquisition is more likely to be disbanded. But a rogue planetary governor on some backwater world? Infinitely more likely

[crisp heath]

see

your problem here

is assuming inquisition wont plant evidence.

[acoustic copper]

well they might

and that might help, or another chapter might go "That's stupid and obviously planted"

[scenic sun]

the imperium respects one thing above all in politics. Might, might and connections, and inquisitor without those two isn't anything, a powerful noble can stand up to an inquisitor that has neither and most won't care

[scenic sun]

"uhhhh.... ork snipers my lord. Yes, they have infiltrated most high-ranking places in the sector, dammed fungus!"

"They are brutal too, as you can see!"

[stray bluff]

Would a marine clean house?

Lets say we get a space marine class

How much stronger are they compared to the current available classes

[crisp heath]

Do you guys think that Big E would enjoy anchovy on pizza?

[brittle slate]

theyve said we wont

but yeah, a space marine would curb stomp

[timid ferry]

Depends on what power scale for marines you use. If we go by Dawn of War cinematics, marines die readily to ork boys. Whereas some BL authors portray marines killing a million billion normal humans for days on end without breaking a sweat and flash stepping everywhere.

[brittle slate]

probably could hold his own strength wise with an ogryn, more zealoty than any zealot, better aim, better cc

A space marine, especially in lore, is freakishly powerful

think masterchief but with extra

maybe doomguy

oddly, space marines are actually terribly mishandled if deployed in open warfare like in DOW

they don't really have the numbers for full scale conflicts

but in the confines of a hive? oh shit... like... get ready for the hurricane

[timid ferry]

Considering we have an ogryn already, I would say something like a scout isn’t beyond the power level of darktide. But I find it unlikely an astartes would ever become penal fodder for the inquisition

[rustic spruce]

How would you rank the assassinorum temples in terms of how fucked someone would be on average

[timid ferry]

All of them equally tbh. Although Eversors tend to murder both their targets and everyone in the general vicinity

[arctic talon]

Are we talking how violent the death is?

Or like how likely they are to die

[rustic spruce]

If the person is in a secure position like one of the higher floors of a hive city

How likely is the assassin to make it to their target

[storm jungle]

Literally just the ogryn

stomp around and slap people to death

[rustic spruce]

Ogryn with access to expensive equipment

[arctic talon]

Near 100%

[dusk patrol]

They're technically weaker than the Ogryn but the main thing is their speed and gear, as well skill.

[frail walrus]

Assassins are the overpowered af so probably a lot of damage

[stray thistle]

Random lore question I've had on my mind for awhile. Do the tech priests that fall to chaos still worship the omnissiah primarily? Do they worship whatever chaos god they fall to more?

[mild copper]

can a Zealot eventually become Adeptus Sororitas?

[brittle slate]

That’s a good question

Sisters usually come out of the progenium

So it’s unlikely

[brittle slate]

Likely the worship the omnissiah in a heretical way

[timid ferry]

Yes and no. One of the possible childhoods for preacher is progena. Had things gone differently, they might have been selected to become a sororitas

Instead they ended up on a prison barge

[mild copper]

cool, so we can pretend but can never be clad in full Repentia regalia or armor

[timid ferry]

Tbh, Grendel might put in good word for any fodder that survive. But usually Sororitas are selected while still progena

[wary harbor]

Zealot is a failed Sororitas, or rather never got the chance to become one

I see plenty of female Zealots with white hair though

[wary geode]

so is there a TLDR on how the emperor got his "superpowers"

I know there is like 2 concepts of one being the shamans

and the other eludes me right now

[young laurel]

I got a very important lore question as well

What's the food like in the warhammer 40k setting?

Can u eat an ork?

[brittle slate]

Thats honestly a style thing

Not a uniform

[timid ferry]

Terrible. A blatant Soylent Green ripoff is the most common food source for most hive worlds

[brittle slate]

Yes

Tau food is basically vegetarian with weird gelatin and apparently big on gravy

[wary harbor]

Mmmm

[brittle slate]

They also love alcohol

[wary harbor]

Gravy

[brittle slate]

Like too much

[lusty tiger]

40k lore is so intimidating, lads. Dunno where to begin. I'm a Darktide newfriend to the franchise.

[brittle slate]

There are more than 7 tau alcohols

And they eat burritos as field rations

[brittle slate]

Join a discord and ask questions

[wary harbor]

It's natural they've been writing this stuff since like, the 80's?

[brittle slate]

Don’t rely on YouTube

[young laurel]

That's terrible

[brittle slate]

Except for general things

[wary harbor]

Just read up on the important bits and if anything catches your eye you can do the extended reading on it

[brittle slate]

And lore is malleable. It isn’t consistent

There isn’t really “canon” so much as flavor of author

[lusty tiger]

sounds like anarchy

[young laurel]

Can u eat a tyranid?

[wary harbor]

Caiaphas Cain books are great if you like the stuff in darktide and don't want to take things too seriously

[frail walrus]

If you want to learn more lore I highly recommend Luetin09 and Baldermort on youtube
Two of the best law channels around

[brittle slate]

but again- they still get stuff wrong

[wary harbor]

Caiphas Cain, Hero of the Imperium

[brittle slate]

and they have their own opinions

it's a hard franchise in that you have to just read books a lot of the time

[brittle slate]

it's poison through and through

[young laurel]

Aw man

I'm also pretty new to the 40k lore

[rose thorn]

is there any plagues that arent nurgle bullshit in 40k?

[mossy mortar]

Yes

[wary harbor]

well normal diseases exist

But at the same time... nurgle IS the fear of sickness and death

[brittle slate]

chaos is like... hm... It's like: You smoke cigarettes because you like the nicotine and the habit.

Chaos is full blown meth.

It's not like you get sick and BAM nurgle

[wary harbor]

The one that messed up Atoma is specifically Nurgle's Rot

Humanity is uniquely plagued by chaos because of their connection to the Immaterium

Races like Tau, with a very faint connection to the Warp are actually almost invisible to daemons

And they're all but immune to chaos corruption

Aw geez, I went on a tangent

[timid ferry]

Corpse Starch doesn’t even pretend to be anything other than people

[young laurel]

thats so awful

kinda funny tho how people mostly eat processed corpses and moss and leaches in a vast sci fi universe

[mossy mortar]

They don't, it's just funnier to mention it

[wary harbor]

Well yeah, living in the imperium SUCKS

You either live your life in a hab working your fingers to the bone in a manufactorum, or you join the imperial guard and have a marginally better life while experiencing a dramatic drop in life expectancy

[mossy mortar]

That's for hive worlders

[near glade]

Yeah agri worlds probably have better food

[mossy mortar]

There's plenty of more boring imperial worlds that do a little of everything and aren't covered woth hive cities

[wary harbor]

True but being born on a nice agriworld is like winning the lottery

[mossy mortar]

Even regular worlds are usually self sufficient

And grow their own food while importing luxury goods

[near glade]

Like Macragge right?

[mossy mortar]

Since space travel is unreliable for many areas

It's a vast, vast universe

[brittle slate]

you join the PDF*

[mossy mortar]

You can have worlds at literally any tech level and quality of life depending on the story you want to tell

[brittle slate]

The Guard are the elite a planet can offer

it would be like if they took all the SAS or SEALS

[mossy mortar]

It's just tjay usually the squalid ones are the ones people come from

[brittle slate]

probably not

[mossy mortar]

Since we mostly tell stories about people who want to leave their planet

[wary harbor]

Still lookin at a life of pretty backbreaking labor even on am agriworld, it's grimdark so people aren't allowed to have nice things

[mossy mortar]

It depends

[near glade]

True. I liked the Ghosts novels cause we saw how different the PDF and guard truely were

[mossy mortar]

Somethings you need to come from a nice place so you feel worse when it gets taken away

Tanith itswlf was a sleepy little backwater of a world

[brittle slate]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Agri_World

[mossy mortar]

Until it got blown up of course

[wary harbor]

The only people who live nice lives in the imperium are the nobility

[brittle slate]

it did

[mossy mortar]

Nah the people on Tanith seemed pretty happy

[brittle slate]

yeah, even pleasure worlds are awful except for the nobility

[mossy mortar]

Until they all died

[deft sedge]

you got some nice lives on various planets

[brittle slate]

because it was a backwater

[deft sedge]

definitely not hive planets

[wary harbor]

Basically the only way to have a nice time in 40k is to live on a planet that never got noticed by anyone

[deft sedge]

legitimately there are pleasure worlds

like the one in Eisenhorn

[mossy mortar]

Feral worlders who don't even know what space is

[deft sedge]

a lot of people are having a blast

[brittle slate]

which are great for the elite

and those they deign to treat

[mossy mortar]

And think the emperor is a thunder god you jave to worship and offer up witches to

[brittle slate]

but you still have populations of whores

[near glade]

Somehow they are the choice planets for Astartes to recruit from lol

[mossy mortar]

Uh

[deft sedge]

yeah not sure what whores have to do with it

[brittle slate]

because the more harsh the planet is the better the recruits

it's spartan logic

[mossy mortar]

Well yes they want to select the world's toughest 12 year olds

[deft sedge]

i missed that one

it's sardaukar logic

spoilers

[wary harbor]

Basically a pleasure world is nice if you're rich

[brittle slate]

A planet is still shit because the local population is forced into prostitution for the benefit of the ruling class and their visiting friends?

[wary harbor]

Otherwise you exist to serve them

[brittle slate]

That's... still a shit place to live

[deft sedge]

i dont get it that's not really in the books i remember

[brittle slate]

Now, a Paradise/Garden world is great, but they don't allow people to go there

[deft sedge]

there are plenty of nice worlds canonically but they're boring so we dont get books about them

there was one recently that went into this

[wary harbor]

Most imperial citizens don't really have much to their name

[brittle slate]

since the rift there isn't supposed to be anymore nice places in the imperium

[deft sedge]

living on Nocturne is pretty mad chill lol

you're in a big ol safety dome

salamanders ensure quality of living

[wary harbor]

It's a brutal society that exists to make war, and normal people get chewed up to maintain it, either in a manufactorum, or on a battlefield

Humanity has long since lost the spark of innovation or mercy, degrading into the very thing the Emperor was trying to steer humanity away from

[deft sedge]

it's like Shakespeare, you know, it like, rhymes
like how Lion El Johnson is named after Lionel Johnson, the author of Dark Angel
did you know that Dark Angel is a meditative exploration of the author's own repressed homosexuality in the context of Victorian England?

[brittle slate]

Unless…

https://tenor.com/view/crisis-suit-warhammer40000-tau-sketchfab-mrcheckpoint-warhammer40k-gif-19158654

[wary harbor]

Tau are my boys

Love me tau

I have an affection for all corners of the lore

But I think tau look the coolest

And Farsight's anime protagonist energy speaks to my inner 14 year old

[deft sedge]

only tau thing i like is the broadside battlesuit

and that stupid mega titan that guy submitted to golden daemon a couple years ago

thing was ridiculous

[wary harbor]

Battlesuits rule, I'm personally a big fan of the Stealth Battlesuits

[deft sedge]

ridiculous paint job

[wary harbor]

Gorgeous

Look at them details

Man even put fire warriors on the base

[brittle slate]

Just remember he’s also extremely tragic and has one of the best hooks forgotten in 40k

[deft sedge]

extremely tragic anime blue cow man

does he have an alter ego

[brittle slate]

Damn

[brittle slate]

He’s basically colonel kurtz

[wary harbor]

Farsight was not only betrayed by the Ethereals but he even has a blessed/cursed sword that extends his life (by sapping it from things it kills)

[brittle slate]

The original (better) lore for Farsight is that he picked a fight with the same orks that killed all his boys in Arkunasha once he found them in deep space

[deft sedge]

nah i'm aware I was mostly being sarcastic

i've had some to drink, lol

[brittle slate]

Nah, dude wasn’t betrayed, he was pulled before he could finish the job

[wary harbor]

[brittle slate]

He felt betrayed

[wary harbor]

Ahh, you are right

[brittle slate]

Yeah dude- original Farsight lore is AWESOME

So, red homeboy goes and and punches the orks in the region harder then anybody ever did

[wary harbor]

Too used to seeing things from the Farsight Enclave perspective hahaha

[brittle slate]

Invents new tactics using Vespid with Crisis suits

Utilizes Tau exterminatus several times

[deft sedge]

lmao a vespid in a crisis suit

did he have to fold his two little arms down

would hate to use the suit after him

[brittle slate]

Keeps being told by fire command to come home and he’s just too good and killing orks

Then Arthas Moloch happens and his ethereals (3)

Basically goes nuts after that

And leaves tau space entirely

He gets picked up by the inquisition and is interrogated

And is remarked on being in the company of an unknown space marine who may or may not be his jailer (some people think it’s Cypher)

He basically admits to learning about the greater universe and the threats therein and concludes:

Each must find their own way. If those in our heartland had witnessed the savageries of the void as have we they would know this. The hand of each of the starfarers is turned against the other; none will join their strength together just to see their ancient enemies prosper. Neither should we.

[slim karma]

The exodite show really shows the Tau's ignorance to the greater evils of the universe

[brittle slate]

But also their comprehension

[slim karma]

I cant wait to see what happens after ep 3

[brittle slate]

They understand how badly the eldar failed

[brittle slate]

Sadly I doubt there will be

But who knows!

[slim karma]

Has there been any news on the primarch trapped in the drukari webway

[brittle slate]

The Khan? Nope

But Aun’shi is kicking ass in there

[slim karma]

Be real cool if he came back, maybe corrupted idk

[full bane]

I dunno, Cypher doesn't have a mask nailed to his face.
Still reading the Dark Coil, but Calavera is hard to place.

[brittle slate]

Did he have a mask nailed to his face?

I gotta reread

[slim karma]

reading the indomitus era books, on the Dark Imperium atm

[full bane]

Yeah, a filligree death/skull-mask with an orb inset on the forehead.
From what I've heard he is referenced but not seen in other works by Fehervari, and the rest is speculation.

Alpha Legion? Thousand Sons? Fallen? Who the hell knows.
Why is there a vision of a daemon standing in the corner of the room telling those he is speaking to that everything he says is a lie? Is it actually Farsight he has in a cell?

It's a great puzzle which leaves more questions than answers.

[last lagoon]

Samus back from the dead

[slim karma]

Am i dumb or is it wrong to think that the old ones were the final evolutions of their race. If so are the Perpetuals the final human evolution since they are immortal, if everything was "normal" would the perpetuals have been the next old ones and the true glory days of humanity just begun.

[last lagoon]

Well the old ones werent immortal to be fair

Maybe in age?

But not immortal immortal

I dont see how perpetuals could have brought a better era

Since they are mostly shown to be scheming bastards lol

Except my man Oll

[mossy mortar]

The perpetuals are a tip of the hat to the old sensei storyline

[rustic spruce]

how come space marines love putting guns on the sides of their tanks

[arctic talon]

Looks cool

[mossy mortar]

More shooty

More dakka

[rustic spruce]

that looks like somebody got six bolters and stacked em on top of eachother

[mossy mortar]

That is what happened

[rustic spruce]

space marines sure do love loading their tanks up to the teeth with turrets upon turrets

[mossy mortar]

They have a lot of flat space to use

[slim karma]

remember that tank or whatever possessed by the machine spirit killed a lot of orks and when recovered they replated it and fixed up and sent out again

i forgot what it was called

[full bane]

Rynn's Might

[wintry tundra]

Just wanted to drop this screenshot from TWW3

[full bane]

It didn't get fixed up though.

[slim karma]

thx your like my warhammer search engione atm

[full bane]

It detonated its reactor after the Orks went inside the Land Raider.

[slim karma]

oh i thought it survived

rip

[full bane]

There was also a Thunder Cannon of the Excoriators Chapter that followed around its TechMarine like a puppy and went berserk after he was killed.

[slim karma]

you know how people say the emperor could awaken as a god of order or something like that, what about the machine god. If this happens wouldnt humanity ggain 2 gods to tehir faction

it seems like every other faction have literal gods on their side

[brittle slate]

i think the march toward god entities is just... lame

until they get to the Heart God, complete with riding a unicorn that gives 2+ invulnerable saves called "Friendshipinning"

[timid ferry]

That’s so sad 😭

[full bane]

Some might say the Machine God already exists, beyond the Akashic veil and within the beating hearts of the Ark Mechanicii.
It might be that it is not a god of the warp and does not represent anything. It simply is, sitting at the crossroad of knowledge and infinity.

[celest dome]

I entirely depend on whether the Omnissiah is thr Emp or not

[full bane]

Still fits I believe. The Omnissiah is a physical manifestation but not the entirety of the Trinity that makes up the Machine God.

[wintry junco]

All the body type 2 face presets have the same four scars on their lips, is there a reason for this?

They’re clearly cosmetic/ritualistic and not battle wounds with how symmetrical they are

[celest dome]

Aren't they just normal face features ? Currently have a beard so I can't check

[earnest snow]

All the face presets on body type 2 have this? Gonna have to check my character. Either way it's a weird detail

[celest dome]

Not the correct channel

[storm jungle]

#40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

How widely would the Ogryn know about Nork Deggog and the Broggan brother ? Like would ours know about them ?

[grave tinsel]

are medicaea stations snd those medkits ever established anywhere in wh40k lore before darktide

[barren tapir]

Medicae stations yes, the med pack kinda, we know there are automatic ones, but doesn't work like in darktide

[kind parrot]

Don't think so the emperium is vast and i every sub sector having their own heroes

[mossy mortar]

Not really. Medicae servitors are mentioned but that's about it

[barren tapir]

They don't spread green mist that heal you

[kind parrot]

Sorry for the post my bad

[storm jungle]

It's alright.

[storm jungle]

One of the ogryns ingame literally mentions them

I came across it last night which was

[celest dome]

Neat

As for the med pack, maybe they don't heal, they just mask the pain, like certain combat drugs

[cloud mauve]

On the mourningstar, when they do those random communications, there was one talking about a battle barge, the cadian sunrise, docking in. Anybody know anything about that?

[barren tapir]

Battle barges are SM ships... But SM wouldn't name one as cadian sunrise, so it is possible that it is a mercantile ship... Or maybe the prison ship that carry all that cadians criminals...

[celest dome]

Are there Battle Barges that aren't SM ships ?

[cloud mauve]

Yeah maybe i misheard and it was just barge, i thought a battle barge with that name was weird

[scenic sun]

I mean did any SM chapters even live near cadia?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[scenic sun]

Dark angels?

[barren tapir]

No, they are a fleet based chapter, they go where they want

Iron hands are relatively close to cadia

[grizzled grove]

how many shots can a hotshot lasgun (hooked up to a backpack) shoot before needing to reload? does the soldier need to swap out the backpack itself just to reload?

[celest dome]

Depend on the pattern and power setting

1st edition Dark Heresy, Inquisitor's Handbook, page 172, section "Voss Pattern Hellgun and Hellpistol." (Hellguns were the name for Hot-shot until Only War I believe.)

"Hellguns are far more energy-hungry than standard las weapons and fed from power capacitor backpack units.

They may use standard las weapon charge packs, but consume four charges per shot."

So clip 30, pop in a standard Las power cell, fire. Clip is now at 26.

And the backpack:

BACKPACK AMMO PACK /POWER PACK

These items hold 80 rounds of ammunition for Plasma, Melta, and Las weapons, 200 rounds of ammunition for Solid Projectile or Bolt weapons, and 60 shots for Flame weapons. A weapon connected to a backpack power pack uses the power pack for its ammunition and ignores its normal clip size. Backpack ammo packs or power packs weigh 25 kg.

Used With: Any ranged weapon

[grizzled grove]

emperor help you if that thing goes click then, right? I imagine hotshot lasgunners carry a couple of normal power packs for emergency use

but I do wonder how a hotshot las would function if the Rejects managed to get their hands on them in later DLC

oh wait a minute, hotshot lasguns and hotshot volley lasguns are different things, aren't they?

[barren tapir]

Yes

[grizzled grove]

ahhhh, I was talking about the latter since I had the M6 gunners in mind

[barren tapir]

Regarding your question about hot shot lasguns i would like to add that there are power packs that are made for them, regarding how many shoots they can give we don't have any real number to work with... Outside TTRPG rules, we have a graphical representation in DoW 2 with IG storm troopers there though

Hotshot volley lasguns is something that arrived with scions, so it is even more hard to find numbers for them

[celest dome]

I'd make them largely the same as the rapid fire Lasgun, maybe a bit more powerful, but have a heat system, to compensate it

And give a similar weapon to the Ogryn for the Multilaser

And continue on it to give the Ogryn a Lascannon (Like how Staff is 4 different pattern that are really different)

[rustic spruce]

where does veteran's "sever the head, the body dies" phrase come from

[spark relic]

I think it's a play on the saying "to cut the head off the snake"

As in kill the leader and the rest will scatter

though it can be interpreted in multiple ways

[storm jungle]

^

Its just Generic Badass Soldier Line

[celest dome]

Still a banging line

[barren tapir]

Is that considered badass? Damn

[celest dome]

There's worse

[nova light]

Does Wh40k use our calendar? What day is the God Emperor's birthday?

[barren tapir]

@storm jungle i have to ask you one thing about Vraks, iirc you know the story of its siege quite well

[storm jungle]

Whats up

[storm jungle]

Humanity is too spread out to use any sort of calendar, theres a few "holidays" but every planet has its own calendar/timeline etc

[kind parrot]

This is hard to answer since little is known about the Emperor, my understand is that he is immortal and has been born in 8th Millennium . You have the Imperial Dating System. The old Style(0-Check, 000-Year Fraction,000 -Year, Millennium) and New Style ( Takes into account the local flow of time which is different almost everywhere)

[deft sedge]

its still gregorian afaik mathematically

which is funny

[barren tapir]

Vraks was only a warehouse world right? It had nearly no manufacturing capacity since it was a nearly unhabitable world right?

[deft sedge]

the check numbers are mathematically translated from the gregorian system

[kind parrot]

I would say they commemorate victory over foes or crusades. The hard questions do they remember the day the Emperor has sacrificed himself and celebrate it

[deft sedge]

they also still use AD

as in begin counting millennia since Jebus

[storm jungle]

Its mostly a munitorum world and had a BIG stockpile of weapons and other stuff

but you are on the money yeah

its one of the reasons why the traitor forces could hole up in it for so long

[barren tapir]

Well, i was mostly wondering from where the autoguns called vraks pattern in DT came from, and as i feared they are BS... If anything they are agrippina patterns modified in the field...

Vraks had no way to manufacture stuff with its pattern, since all the space was either used for churches or for warehouses...

On top of that, the system is interdicted after the war, so no way they could ship those weapon outside it

It is also reasonable to think that such field pattern were used mostly by the traitors, since they were limited to only them, while imperial forces could get access to fresh supplies from the imperium... So, the rejects are using weapons once used by traitors and now re blessed to be used by imperial agents?

So many questions...

[arctic talon]

Might be vraks is a production hub again

Since the siege of vraks was a while ago now

Chronologically

[barren tapir]

The inquisition isn't famous to release places they have but under quarantine, also it would be a shitty place to manufacture things... Since it is a crap world with nothing worthy on it

[arctic talon]

Tbf

It’s empty now

Perfect spot to set up an absurd amount of factories

[barren tapir]

It is useless

[arctic talon]

Empty ground isn’t useless

[barren tapir]

55% of the surface is covered by sulphourus oceans, and the surface that isn't is now rubble and crap

And it was like that even before the war

[arctic talon]

Sulphur oceans is like

Standard on a forgeworld

If the admech really wanted to they could set up manufacturing stuff on it

[barren tapir]

Sulphur-rich oceans cover 55% of the planet's surface and waterways cut deep trenches into the planet's surface. Violent electrical storms form on short notice, bringing torrential downpours that turn the sulphurous soil into sticky mud as it drains away. The Van Meersland Wastes comprise five thousand barren square kilometres, outcrops of volcanic rock the only noticeable terrain feature

[arctic talon]

That

Doesn’t sound that bad

Ima be real with you lol

Violent electrical storms would also be of great interest to parts of the cult mechanicus

[barren tapir]

That is the thing, the Ad. Mech. has no use for it, Ad. Mech. want worlds rich in resources first which can be exploited and made into crap worlds

[arctic talon]

They don’t only want resources they want manufacturing hubs

Maybe vraks is in an ideal location now or some shit

Idk lol

[barren tapir]

The original goal of the mission, to retake the planet from the rogue cardinal Xaphan reclaim the worlds armouries were theoretically completed. However while in Imperial hands, the taint of Chaos lingered and the planet was quarantined by the Inquisition. The world was too ruined to be of much use anyway, its armouries used up in the war. Thus it remains that Vraks is a barren wasteland, though the Ordo Malleus has conducted long reviews into the events of its war.

That was in 830.m41, relatively close chronologically speaking to DT timeline

[arctic talon]

Darktide is some time during M42

Honestly idrc

I’m just trying to justify the dumb name

There’s prolly no reason other then it sounds cool

And it’s a fun reference to vraks

[barren tapir]

Yeah, start of the m42 since we didn't went that into the new millenium, that is less than a millennium, even less than 500 years

[arctic talon]

Ye

Honestly I doubt fatshark was thinking too much about the name

Just my 2 cents

[barren tapir]

Which is weird, since they tend to pay a lot of respect to the lore...

[arctic talon]

Yeah

Everything else is fine

Imo it’s prolly due to lack of autogun patterns in lore

[barren tapir]

It isn't the first thing i notice they don't stick close to the lore though

[arctic talon]

To draw like

Names from

[barren tapir]

They seemed to have taken quite more freedom this time

[barren tapir]

We have lots of forge worlds that could have been a better choice to create an autogun, vraks was neither a forge world nor a world that could produce them, that is why the traitors on it used agrippina patterns

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[barren tapir]

Hell, they could have given us armageddon pattern instead of vraks and it would have been perfect, to the point that some headhunter autoguns in DT checks a lot of boxes with what we know about armageddon patterns

[rotund iris]

https://youtu.be/VwLoEhgcyzc

Just watched this really awesome video, definitely adds to the enjoyment of the game knowing more of the historical and current context

The size of tertium is hard to comprehend. A city big enough for 90 billion people

[arctic talon]

Heh

Wait till you hear how many people are on Earth

Tertium is a pretty nice hive

All things considered

[zenith ginkgo]

Earth doesn’t even 1/10th the amount of people on Tertium

[chilly creek]

In 40k, it's hundreds of billions at least

[arctic talon]

I’m talking about in 40k

It’s got 4 quadrillion people on it

Post lions gate lol

[deft sedge]

the fecal matter alone they produce must require the use of tens of thousands of ships just to remove it from the planet so nobody drowns

assuming the average healthy adult produced 400g of matter per day

let's assume 250g if they are malnourished as most people on Terra

[dusk patrol]

And that’s after a lot of people died after the Rift opened and the entire planet was cutoff for months

[deft sedge]

that's 399,201,400g per day

per square kilometre

assuming terra is the same size as our earth of course

399,201kg

[arctic talon]

Terra has no oceans

[deft sedge]

which is 5.5 space shuttles

[arctic talon]

And is a massive city

[deft sedge]

I used the total surface area of earth for this calculation

[arctic talon]

Ah

Fair

[deft sedge]

so even assuming nearly half of the average fecal matter production

(and that's a stretch because they are fed fibrous gruel)

[arctic talon]

Actually I wonder if the 4 quadrillion

Includes servitors

[deft sedge]

that's 4 blue whales of poop per square kilometer per day

~2 million people per square kilometre

[arctic talon]

I wonder if there’s reprocessing facilities

Because I know the imperium is gona fuckin try

[deft sedge]

i mean they'd have to. otherwise the physical amount of it would accumulate

[arctic talon]

To turn literal shit into food

[deft sedge]

imagine 30 x 4 blue whales of fecal matter

[arctic talon]

Lol

Fair

[deft sedge]

that's every month

and that's just shit

imagine the piss

[arctic talon]

That’s assuming they get enough water to piss regularly

Which I doubt

[deft sedge]

James Workshop would have you believe the future Empire of Humanity is not drowning in its piss

but that is simply unfactual

you need to read between the lines with this lore

[arctic talon]

💀

Also I think it’s hilarious

[deft sedge]

they're not publishing this stuff in the codex is what I'm saying my dude

[arctic talon]

How the food sucks for everyone on terra

Even the nobles

[barren tapir]

We all know that GW is bath at numbers... And at making decent choices... And at making reasonable things...

[sweet nexus]

Soo I was reading up some lore for the 40k... Do you think this Psychic awakening is also making ogryns smarter?

[scenic sun]

it defo made an ogryn or two pyskers, and they are a bit smarter sooo... question answered?

[barren tapir]

It made one become a psyker for sure, and also smarter, to the point she learned to read and write by herself

[celest dome]

To note she is not the only Ogryn who became Psyker

Though the other were not from the same reason

[sweet nexus]

there are female ogryn ?!!? How come we don't get them

[celest dome]

GW never had the b#lls to show them off

Like the Ogre never had their showed

Apart from Blood Bowl

[dusk patrol]

We have no official depictions yet, and GW isn't gonna let FS make the first one

Simple

[kind parrot]

arent ogryn's vat grown?

[dusk patrol]

No

[earnest basin]

theyre abhumans they breed like us

[dusk patrol]

All we have are appearances in books which obviously don't include an actual physical depiction beyond a description.

Abhuman means they're a stable strain.

[celest dome]

Stable mutants

[dusk patrol]

So they can consistently reproduce more of their type.

[earnest basin]

Aren't they described as being pretty close looking to ogryn males aswell?

[dusk patrol]

Typically yeah

We have like, two appearances I think ever.

[earnest basin]

yea I think I remember one in prophet of waaagh

[dusk patrol]

One was in the Cain books and the other was in the Nate Crowely Ghaz book

[celest dome]

Cassia

[barren tapir]

Can be, but not all

[mossy mortar]

Mutants or engineered back in the dark age of technology

[spark relic]

All types of stable strains of humans can be vat grown

[dusk patrol]

For unstandable reasons 40k doesn't go into Ogryn reproduction much.

[celest dome]

Same thing, same thing

[dusk patrol]

But its been a plot point of trying to save various planets or centers where they have a high population and come from.

Due to their value

[mossy mortar]

Has it

[kind parrot]

I think it is left ambiguous for all the humans. But i might be wrong

[dusk patrol]

I mean, people fuck and have kids in 40k.

Authors just don't feel the need to have lengthy explanations of it.

People also poop, we don't hear a lot about it though.

[celest dome]

Just don't let the Nurglite culstist write the story and it should stay like that

[delicate grove]

Cue Nurgle fans screeching about not getting enough representation

[dusk patrol]

Vat growing isn't a primary source of humans in 40k is more my point, and when its done its almost always for servitor purposes.

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

Krieg being an exception and notable for a reason

And also its stupid as fuck and I ignore it.

Because dumbass authors don't understand what made Krieg cool

[delicate grove]

Krieg is overrated and really not as cool as most fanboys think.

[arctic talon]

The fact they’re still human mentally is what makes them intresting

Take that away and uh

Boring as fuck

[dusk patrol]

Them being clones is the most asinine idea anyone has ever had.

At least its written with deniability for like, all of them being clones.

[vocal drum]

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/Jy_xtiCKtyg how is this even fair

theres literally no counter

u beat him then he takes ur soul

[dusk patrol]

Please don't post wes

And also because thats tnot the point

[arctic talon]

It’s chaos lol

[vocal drum]

crazy ass person to fight

[arctic talon]

Chaos doesn’t fight fair

[dusk patrol]

Its a curse for Lucius

[heavy bison]

I think Kreig being a horrifying subterranian civilisation where women are expected to churn out more meat for the grinder with the assistance of tech to increase birth rate/reduce time to term etc is also like, Far more sinister and plays into the Kreig idea of paying for their people's missdeeds.

[arctic talon]

^

[dusk patrol]

And Lucius never does anything important anyways because of who he is

[heavy bison]

Just sending clones for their tithe is knid of a cop out.

[arctic talon]

Yeah Lucius suffers humiliation with every death

[dusk patrol]

He just goes looking for pointless duels which accomplish nothing

[arctic talon]

^

[vocal drum]

if i saw that guy IRL i would just turn and run

i dont want my soul being taken

[dusk patrol]

And sometimes he loses, and he never gets to rematch them or learn from his mistake

[dusk patrol]

Almost no one knows its a thing

[vocal drum]

oh

[dusk patrol]

Lucius is fairly small fry for CSM, in terms of his impact.

He doesn't live up to his potential like other Chaos champions

[unborn sapphire]

what is your immortal soul for a nice cookie

[dusk patrol]

Specifically the other ones for the big four.

[unborn sapphire]

I say sell your soul and the cookie will be twice as delishious

[dusk patrol]

[arctic talon]

[vocal drum]

wtf lmfaoo beast of nurgle are actually friendly?

[dusk patrol]

"friendly"

[vocal drum]

i was reading this apparently they have a personality of a puppy

[arctic talon]

Like a Pitbull and a toddler

[dusk patrol]

Its like a lot of Nurgle daemons

[vocal drum]

and the plague legion knows this and they exploit them

wtf?

[arctic talon]

They’re “friendly”

Up until they aren’t lol

You’ll get torn to pieces or melted alive

[dusk patrol]

They're sorta technically friendly but its more just a sick game of nurgle

Pun intended

[arctic talon]

^

Also nurglings are like

[dusk patrol]

Eventually they start suffering because obviously their "friends" dont like them

[arctic talon]

Really dangerous memes aside

They’ll tear you apart

[dusk patrol]

And then they grow bitter

[kind parrot]

If you could pick who would you be W40k?

[arctic talon]

No one because I’d rather die

[vocal drum]

any space marine

or the sons of the emperor of mankind

[arctic talon]

Maybe a craftworld eldar

[vocal drum]

those primarch dudes

[arctic talon]

But it would suck ass still

[dusk patrol]

Highborn noble on some pleasure world during a time of peace

Then I just live my whole life on a pleasure barge or something.

[kind parrot]

Spolier : In the near future there is only war 😄

[dusk patrol]

Nope I get to choose and no war for me

Only sex drugs and space rock and roll.

[vocal drum]

did u guys know that

[arctic talon]

Why not the path of the stoner

[vocal drum]

theres people in this universe that refuel ships but then die after

[arctic talon]

Yes

[dusk patrol]

Yes

[arctic talon]

Humans are disposable

[kind parrot]

Would be any primach half of them are depressed

[arctic talon]

Lol

[arctic talon]

You mean all of them

[kind parrot]

die in the process to be more accurate

[vocal drum]

thats crazy

[arctic talon]

How so

Human flesh is the cheapest thing the imperium has

[vocal drum]

its kinda like going backwards

[arctic talon]

I mean

[kind parrot]

The loyalist probably the corrupted well they don't even feel shit anything more then potato

[vocal drum]

if humans are living in horrible times why kil them off

[arctic talon]

Mortarion and magnus are pretty depressed

Wdym

The point of 40k is humanity is awful

[kind parrot]

Free ticket out of hell 🙂

[arctic talon]

Human life means nothing

[vocal drum]

yeah but theyre trying to make a comeback

and rtake the galaxy

[arctic talon]

They really aren’t

They’re trying to not die

Presently lol

The indomitus crusade stabilized the imperium

[kind parrot]

no they are trying to upkeep the emperium and fight the enemy

[arctic talon]

But the imperium is still approaching death

[kind parrot]

they can't take it back

[arctic talon]

Every single day

[vocal drum]

i thought humans are trying to retake their former power/colonies they lost

[arctic talon]

No

[zinc scroll]

need a fact check

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=134X7MJAKp0&list=PLhe77z_zTzRY-bmtKMydUF0eoWbGz_cCM&index=7

[arctic talon]

It hasn’t been that way in forever

[kind parrot]

in W30K yes

in w41 - w42

staying alive

[vocal drum]

are there more humans than tyranids?

[arctic talon]

No

There aren’t more humans then orks either

[vocal drum]

so i see no way humans can make a comback then

were screwed

[arctic talon]

That’s the point

Lol

It’s about watching humanity try not to die

And slowly bleeding out

[kind parrot]

Do you feel how grim dark it is ?

[arctic talon]

The imperium will die eventually

That is the inevitable truth

[kind parrot]

Unless GW pulls Big E reincarnates somewhere 😄

[arctic talon]

Lol

Even if big E comes back humanity prolly can’t escape it’s death spiral imo

Or rather the imperium can’t

The emperor might just pull a wait for the imperium to die and try again

[kind parrot]

He would probably scared at the notion that he is god and worshiped

[vocal drum]

he can do that?

[arctic talon]

I mean

Yeah he’s immortal lol

Time was his greatest advantage

Pre great crusade

[vocal drum]

he should just go to a diff galaxy and restart over

[arctic talon]

Not how that works

The emperor cares about humanity

But not individual humans

[elder tide]

The time it would take for Big E to return after he died would be too great. The warp would tear open across the human imperium and shred humanity. The damage would be immeasurable in my opinion

[arctic talon]

Yeah that also

[vocal drum]

is the warp slowly becoming a problem?

[arctic talon]

Even if he came back the imperium would he screwed from a new eye of terror lol

I mean

It’s always a problem

[elder tide]

I would love to see it as much as anyone in the lore but jeez it would be an absolute genocide

[arctic talon]

Fall of the eldar 2.0

Is how bad it would be imo

[kind parrot]

Come one the ultramarines got it 😄

[elder tide]

Over time it's becoming worse and worse yes especially as more chaos gods are being born

[elder tide]

Question I didn't understand. Are ultramarines just a more elite space marine...?

[vocal drum]

do the chaos gods just wanna come into our universe pretty much?

[elder tide]

Yup

[arctic talon]

No they’re just a chapter

They’re well known for having stable gene seed

[kind parrot]

They are a chapter whose gene seed is not corrupted

[arctic talon]

And jacks of all trades

[kind parrot]

And they are how would we say the playboys of W40k

[arctic talon]

They just want more power is the big thing

The amount of sacrificed needed to bring them into real space is absurd

[vocal drum]

i thought chaos gods cant survive outside the warp

[arctic talon]

They’re happy with their followers controlling chunks of the galaxy

[elder tide]

Big E is holding em back and preventing chaos from tearing holes into the Universe. However, if another chaos god was born it'd be utterly too much

[arctic talon]

They can

They just need an absurd amount of sacrifices

To put this into context 90% of the eldar population was only enough to wake up slaanesh

[kind parrot]

Yes but if they start killing of humanity over the galaxy they will loose followers and fight each other and if there could be one civilisation to survive the great fall

[arctic talon]

And a single eldar is worth a lot more in a sacrifice

Then a single human

And the eldar population pre fall was massive

[elder tide]

Yeah when humanity is totally extinct sure

[vocal drum]

but they have their followers still

[kind parrot]

so in other words they are doomed if they are killing us they would have to leave safe heavnes

[arctic talon]

It isn’t practical to bring a chaos god into real space

[unborn sapphire]

Though Humanity sort of seems on the rebound at the moment

primarch's coming back to life and all that jazz

[arctic talon]

Humanity isn’t in the rebound

Half the imperium is cut off

[elder tide]

Not really. They've degraded into total heresy and being alive as a human is practically like a labor camp

[arctic talon]

And is rapidly falling

[kind parrot]

Guiliman pulling out a Big E clone from the clone factory 😄

[arctic talon]

Most of imperium nihilus is chaos controlled

[elder tide]

Yeah 40k imperium is the exact opposite of what Big E wanted

[arctic talon]

The imperium lost almost half of its fucking worlds

In an instant

[vocal drum]

elon was right AI was a problem

if only humans didnt mess with AI

[arctic talon]

I hope elon gets his brain fried by the neuralink chip

[unborn sapphire]

Oh man I want Iron men to be a faction one day

[arctic talon]

Fucking clown

[unborn sapphire]

sounds like fun

[arctic talon]

There’s a mini you can get of one

Ur-025

[vocal drum]

i bet if humans didnt mess with AI in 40k we would be stronger than necrons at htis point

[elder tide]

Corrupt wealthy elites controlling everything, manipulative politicians, chaos has overtaken and tained space marines and his primarch sons, religion has brainwashed and controlled the population, and he's pretty much dead.

40k is in bad shape

30k was dope

[arctic talon]

Hahahaha no, humanity was on the same path as the eldar

We would have fallen the same way

[kind parrot]

Nah the problem with AI is that it enslaved humanity and hence the ban

[elder tide]

+1 AI was a serious problem that almost ended humanity once I believe

[kind parrot]

if you read any other sci fi the AI will eventually look at humans as babies

[vocal drum]

Hahahaha no, humanity was on the same path as the eldar
idk too much about them what happend to them

i only know necrons/orks/humans

[arctic talon]

We would have fallen to hedonism and developed as a psychic race

And then end up birthing some chaos god or causing another eye of terror

[kind parrot]

Slaanesh v2.0

Spagatti Monster 😄

[arctic talon]

Yeah humanity was gona he screwed in warhammer regardless

[vocal drum]

We would have fallen to hedonism and developed as a psychic race
[3:18 PM]
is this true?

[arctic talon]

The level of being screwed differed

[vocal drum]

the phycic race part

[arctic talon]

Yes

The only reason we haven’t become a full blown one

Was due to the age of strife

[kind parrot]

That was the idea of Magnus

[arctic talon]

And the fact we’re constantly killing weak psykers

Psykers are arguably the next step of human evolution

[kind parrot]

he wanted to show to Big E that this is the next step of humanity is Psykers

[vocal drum]

how come necrons evolved without any issues then?

[kind parrot]

but Nicae came in

[arctic talon]

They never developed psychic abilities for a lot of reasons

We dunno why

But it’s assumed to be related to their lifespan/other issues

[kind parrot]

Maybe they cannot sense the warp

[vocal drum]

ty elitewolf for answeing questions without telling me to google 🙏🏿

[kind parrot]

or in a way a psyker can

[arctic talon]

Also they might have had weak souls

Like the tau

[kind parrot]

they were fragile the necrontiers?

[arctic talon]

We don’t know now tho

[arctic talon]

Somewhat? We dunno how durable they were

They were short lived

But they fought with each other a lot

[vocal drum]

necrons have cancer dont they?

[kind parrot]

noo

[arctic talon]

Not anymore

They’re all metal now

[kind parrot]

they are immortal

[arctic talon]

They used to have super cancer

• other genetic abnormalities

[vocal drum]

i was reading a story yesterday there was a necron who had a vault with tons of rare relics

then he stole a bell from a human world

[arctic talon]

Trazyn yes

[vocal drum]

the bell went off and destroyed all his stuff then he tossed the bell into a realm of an elder

i think a realm/portal

[arctic talon]

Into the web way yes

We dunno what happened to the bell

[kind parrot]

Probably Skaven dug it up... 😄

[scenic sun]

honestly imagine

[vocal drum]

humans could help necrons and necrons can help humans

yes imagine that

🙏🏿

[kind parrot]

don't think so they would help

[arctic talon]

Too racist kekw

on both sides

[kind parrot]

and since humans are so brainwashed they are going to kill them since they are xenos

there will be no unified Necron and Human coalition

[scenic sun]

neither humanity nor the necrons are united

not truly, so i doubt it. And both sides are extremely bigoted

[kind parrot]

From lore maybe a radical Inqusitor who wants to investigate and is not killed might have some soft of "partner ship"

but this is highly heretical and would not be tolerated by other organs of the imperium

[storm jungle]

This is the closest ""help"" necrons will give to humans

[barren tapir]

I prefer the snippet where the scarab ask the SM what is wrong and how they can help, but the only thing he can say is AAAAHHHHHHH

[ruby sparrow]

Actually, lore question, are there sanctioned psyker inquisitors?

[kind parrot]

yes

[celest dome]

yes

PLenty

[kind parrot]

all of them are sanctioned other wise you are rogue