40k-lore-chat

[celest dome]

As for Daemon we already have the Beast of Nurgle

[deft sedge]

honestly a daemon would wipe the floor with our squad

i'm surprised they even put the beast of nurgle in

[celest dome]

Depend on the Daemon

[deft sedge]

yeah fair enough. mostly I see people request GUO

which is definitely out of the class haha

plaguebearers i'm surprised they didn't put in honestly

[celest dome]

Plague bearer would be too weak for Monster, would be somewhat similar to Mauler

Actually would be a great alternative for the Mauler to supplement the other faction

The yellow one

Dreg ? Or Scab never remember

[deft sedge]

1v1 i'd say a plaguebearer beats a chaos warrior

[celest dome]

They have similar stats

[deft sedge]

you talkin tabletop?

[celest dome]

Rpg

At least in 1st/2nd ed

The CW even had better stats

[deft sedge]

wild

[celest dome]

But the Daemons had additional rules that made them a bigger threat

Like the Wind of CHaos rule that can buff their actions or make them much weaker

I don't remember for the 40k Rpg though

[edgy geode]

it would be so cool

[deft sedge]

if we're comparing to V2 I would honestly say Bodvarr is on-level with a plague marine

tabletop at least for sure

[edgy geode]

I mean if eisenhorn can go toe to toe with a CSM i mean us 4 should

[deft sedge]

that CSM wrecked his whole squad haha

didn't it kill Thonius basically?

I think ol' Gregor only won that on technicality

[edgy geode]

I'm talking about book 1

[deft sedge]

the noise marine?

[edgy geode]

he wasnt a noise marine but was emperors children

I honestly can't remember the CSM's name to look it up

[deft sedge]

Mandragore

but yeah Eisenhorn is a BIG cut above us 4

[crisp heath]

Think we'll get a CSM boss at some point?

[deft sedge]

also notably he has Named Protagonist Plot Armor

[deft sedge]

confirmed never by Fatshark

sorry bud

[crisp heath]

Awwww damn

[edgy geode]

it would be cool af though

[deft sedge]

definitely would be cool af

honestly I would like a -tide game w/ Space Marines. I get why they didnt do it here

space marine 2 hopefully will scratch that itch

[edgy geode]

like i love darktide and us playing as "normal" people but the trade off is definitely alot of power level scaling enemies are off the table completely

[crisp heath]

I mean you'd think they'd go for the named units like they did in Vermintide

[edgy geode]

if you want a similiar experience play deathulk

[crisp heath]

Witch Hunter, Empire Captain, etc

Death hulk is kinda lame

just make it GRIM and DARK and EDGY

[edgy geode]

sorry i stand corrected i meant space hulk deathwing

[storm jungle]

[deft sedge]

no do not play this IMO haha

it is so busted

[celest dome]

I'd prefer a Eldar alliance tide game rather than SM one

[deft sedge]

deathwing: great art design. everything else was made by a blind man at the bottom of a well

[crisp heath]

So are the demons with the tentacles we shoot up a Gnarlmaw?

[edgy geode]

i mean its a 40k game theya re cursed

count on your hand the few good ones

[crisp heath]

Then we need an Epidemius, Poxbringer, and Bile Piper

[deft sedge]

definitely agreed

[edgy geode]

and even then those have caveats

[deft sedge]

unfortunately not in 40k. those are AoS

[celest dome]

The monster that attack us ?
Beast of Nurgle and Plague Ogryn

[deft sedge]

he's talking about the infection missions I believe

those spiders w/ eyes

[celest dome]

All of those are in 40k though

[crisp heath]

I'm looking at the Chaos daemons armylist

[deft sedge]

oh fair enough. didnt realize they ported them already

[crisp heath]

I mean nobody plays Chaos Daemons

You'd play CSM if you played Chaos

[celest dome]

They were in 40k before AoS

[edgy geode]

speaking of plaguebearers a few messages back it would make sense to see them ingame at some point because it is the end point of poxwalkers to some extent

with nurgles rot

[deft sedge]

👍 👍

[celest dome]

No, Poxwalker don't become Plaguebearer

But the presence of a lot of Poxwalker might let Plaguebearer appear

Albeit in small numbers

[edgy geode]

tbh my favorite CSM are like the least "Chaosey" of CSM those being the night lords and Alpha Legion

[edgy geode]

they manifest from people dying to the rot though

[deft sedge]

yeah they ain't got the nurgles rot, poxbearers

they got the walking plague

[edgy geode]

[deft sedge]

another hint is they ain't in AoS

I wish we had more Happy Nurgle in this game

he just lovin' life

[grizzled igloo]

I kinda wish 40k had like a lore or codex starter pack to buy x.x

So much stuff.

[deft sedge]

highly, highly recommend 2 things when getting into warhammer 40k lore

a) realize that everything is to sell plastic. GW cares nothing for lore other than as it exists in terms of sales. if they could stick solely to back-of-the-box blurbs, they would

b) realize that it is entirely derivative. there is basically not one original idea in any of it. it's a giant mashup of every sci-fi trope with a "grimdark" layering over it

basically "embrace the jank"

choose an army you like the look of or vibe of, and read a couple books featuring them

[crisp heath]

Does black library not make enough dosh now?

[deft sedge]

https://investor.games-workshop.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/2019-20-Press-statement-1.pdf

see for yourself, they're publicly traded company

total sales are £269m

BL is £2.4m

not quite 1%

[mossy mortar]

Reading is for nerds

[deft sedge]

almost no one actually gives a shit about BL by comparison

[crisp heath]

Dang

How is Warhammer+ doing I wonder?

[deft sedge]

not super

GW actually has an INCREDIBLY WEIRD stock trend

[celest dome]

Warhammer+ was never gonna be something that worked

[deft sedge]

I bought some of their stock in 2019 and sold during the COVID peak

decent ride

[mossy mortar]

I always assumed Warhammer+ was more investor bait than a realistic business venture

[deft sedge]

i would say their stock is actually overvalued. mkt cap of 2.44B?

[celest dome]

People bought more in covid as they had to stay inside and stuff

[mossy mortar]

The IP is valuable and they have a lot of capital investment in machinery

[deft sedge]

a) they do fuck all with the IP financially in terms of investment returns you would see

b) definitely there's not so much growth potential as they claim IMO

the machinery I definitely cant argue with they are cutting-edge

[dusk patrol]

The IP itself could definitely continue to grow

It’s only become more popular overtime

[celest dome]

It become less nerdy ish

They just have to realise it

[dusk patrol]

Idk about that but it’s just become much bigger, not mainstream yet

[celest dome]

(Still very nerdy though)

[dusk patrol]

But getting there

[deft sedge]

oh I agree for sure

but not in a way that will reflect a financial position

they can make as many extra races as they want, space marines are something like 80% of their sales

imo that will never ever change

[mossy mortar]

What will happen is less important that what someone thinks someone else thinks might happen

[deft sedge]

lol

what?

[mossy mortar]

Markets don't look at reality they look at the perception of the perception of the perception of what others think may happen

[celest dome]

SM being X% of their sales isn't what would or would not make their Ip grow financially

[deft sedge]

haha, yes and?

perceptions are based on trends

[mossy mortar]

Not always

[deft sedge]

what does "Ip grow financially" even mean?

[mossy mortar]

The possibility of something happening is often enough evne when there's zero trends or evidence

[deft sedge]

because unless it's reflected in the valuation of the company it doesn't mean bupkes

[mossy mortar]

Look at speculative garbage like metaverse etc

[celest dome]

It's when a given Ip (Like LotR) become more valuable

[deft sedge]

i'm talking about stock valuation, not ephemeral stuff like evaluating the worth of intellectual property

[mossy mortar]

Stock valuation is even more ephemeral

[celest dome]

Oh it has a given value

[mossy mortar]

Like why does Tesla have bigger market cap thsn every other carmaker

[deft sedge]

it genuinely isn't. it's predictable because human perception of economic trends is measurable

[celest dome]

Like it's how much the holder of the IP can get via deals nad such

[deft sedge]

because people believe it has more potential. they're wrong, sure, but that doesn't mean the stock market is unconnected to reality

the reality is many people are deluded into thinking TSLA is more valuable than it is

[mossy mortar]

It's loosely connected to reality

Very loosely

And the true value of the company to most people on the market is not as an asset

It's as a tradable asset

[deft sedge]

the thing is that the way GW licenses their IP for video games, etc, is different to the way the LOTR license is applied

if you read the shareholder report above it's more clear

more use of the IP doesn't necessarily translate to a higher stock price in GW's case

regardless of how valuable that IP is

[mossy mortar]

LOTR licensing is extremely complicated because the rights were sold partially and under duress and a lot are held by Tolkien's family who hates derivative works

[celest dome]

Still change that the more the IP is popular and wide spread the more they are going to have partnerships and the more expensive they can make it

[deft sedge]

but, no it doesn't. GW does not have a partnership policy currently

[mossy mortar]

And you get hilarious situations like Amazon spending a billion dollars on a tv series based on the footnotes from lord of the rings and legally banned from mentioning the prequel silmsrillion

Even though the show is a prequel

[deft sedge]

haha, yeah. that was a disaster waiting to happen

GW is in many ways a company stuck in the 80's

their licensing and IP policies are absolute relics

hell look at how they manage new releases with managers of their stores

[mossy mortar]

The biggest thing is they are risk averse and do not take on much debt

Which is probably for the best

[deft sedge]

yeah definitely. they have an "entrenchment" investment approach

like look at Warhammer+, great example

[mossy mortar]

I assume warhammer+ exists purely as a bullet point to mske investors happy

[deft sedge]

they put just enough cash into these initiatives to get a % boost of model sales and that's what they do

[mossy mortar]

It was not funded at all essentially

[deft sedge]

most definitely

[mossy mortar]

It's a good approach considering the alternative

[deft sedge]

yeah the alternative is just to be a physical retailer that updates their products

that's not sufficient in 2022

[mossy mortar]

Which is they fuck up and get bought out by some monstrous holding company conglomerate

[mossy mortar]

Why? That's the core of the company

[deft sedge]

the smartest thing GW ever did was own their own production

[deft sedge]

I'm saying that without ANY veneer of "warhammer+" or "subscription services" or "events" they will stagnate or be perceived to be stagnant

[brittle slate]

It’s the personal project of one of the guys who wants to be CEO

[deft sedge]

hence lower stock price as we were talking before

[brittle slate]

It’s a pet project which they have no idea had to handle

[mossy mortar]

That's fine though

It's in the best long-term interests of the company

[brittle slate]

Making their own streaming service is a constant headache because they don’t hire professionals

[mossy mortar]

As opposed to chasing quarterly numbers and stepping on rakes constantly

[brittle slate]

Agreed. But only from the perspective of the overall value of the company

[deft sedge]

yeah I don't disagree. I'm saying in public perception of the average warhammer consumer who is increasingly young a subsription service becomes more necessary

[mossy mortar]

And i bet despite being publicly traded most of their stock is held by themselves

[brittle slate]

Like additional real estate

[deft sedge]

that's the way younger people are more likely to interact with the company

[deft sedge]

IIRC it's 35%

[mossy mortar]

So they don't hsve to worru about shareholder revolts or activist shareholders fucking things up

[brittle slate]

This keeps from having a corporate takeover

[deft sedge]

GW has an absolutely insane profit margin

it's actually higher than Google

43%

mind-boggling

[mossy mortar]

That's because they have so little debt

In part

[deft sedge]

their most recent valuation I just saw was 3.0B market cap

wild

maybe I'll pick up some more shares

[mossy mortar]

They should have a spinoff media ventures company that's funded separately from main it would be interesting

[deft sedge]

100000%

"grimdark studios"

[mossy mortar]

But now is not the time

[deft sedge]

hire actual production artists who have talent

[mossy mortar]

The time to do that was a few years ago

Right now the situation in Europe is super unstable

Disney+ is hemorrhaging money

[deft sedge]

honestly we're entering into a very weird time for the company too in terms of competition

3d printing

[brittle slate]

That was the original plan but they couldn’t give up control

[deft sedge]

recasts

etc

tabletop simulator etc

[brittle slate]

It’s the reason why they’re so historically difficult to work with from a hollywood perspective

[mossy mortar]

We're entering what's probably another period of massive contraction in the streaming and media sphere

Huge belt tightening and layoffs at all the big media companies right now

[brittle slate]

They don’t allow any variance or stewardship of the IP when it comes to narrative media

[deft sedge]

diversification as well. kind of like the end of cable

[brittle slate]

Meanwhile they have almost nothing to do with game development

[mossy mortar]

If they owned their own production company they wouldn't have to give up control

[brittle slate]

Which they do

[deft sedge]

i'm sure they perceive any game dev in-house as a net loss

[mossy mortar]

But that requires a huge amount of cash

[brittle slate]

What their own production company?

[mossy mortar]

Game dev is a horrible, horrible industry

[brittle slate]

Amen

[mossy mortar]

No way they'd ever mske money on development

Nobody does honestly

[deft sedge]

0 way

I'm astonished Total Warhammer even happened

[brittle slate]

They’re not making any money off warhammer+ that’s for sure

But they make an insane amount of money off of licensing

[mossy mortar]

Game studios in general only survive because everyone in the Industry works for less than market due to loving games

[brittle slate]

And then they don’t really do oversight

[mossy mortar]

They do oversight on IP stuff

[brittle slate]

That’s basically been their business outlook for + as well

[deft sedge]

haha cause when they do, you get the Ultramarines Movie

[mossy mortar]

But not quality

[brittle slate]

Like what? You can buy a GW license for a game pretty easily

[mossy mortar]

God that was so bad

[brittle slate]

That’s how you get stuff like Gladius

[mossy mortar]

They have full veto power over any story stuff

[deft sedge]

gladius is a decent example. there are WAY worse licensed games haha

regicide springs to mind

[mossy mortar]

Regicide rules were so elegant and simple yet complex

I was very impressed

The AI was good too

[deft sedge]

yall play battlesector?

surprisingly decent

[brittle slate]

I’ve never seen that in effect. Gladius goes and says there are two hive minds, the tau are related to necrontyr etc etc

[mossy mortar]

I almost feel like they should hsve come out with a regicide board game

[brittle slate]

Video games can do what they like

[deft sedge]

wtf?

never seen that but I didn't pump the hours into Gladius

[brittle slate]

Yeah- Gladius lore is bonkers

[mossy mortar]

I've never even heard of it

[brittle slate]

Just go to the lore breakdown

[mossy mortar]

Inquisitor Martyr was also pure nonsense come to think of it

[brittle slate]

I would imagine they do a little more involvement with games that are aiming for AAA

[deft sedge]

Rogue Trader looks like it'll be better off

hopefully

[brittle slate]

But you and I could go and call GW and buy a license to do a game

[dusk patrol]

Not anymore

[brittle slate]

With barely any input it just has to pass the taste test

[dusk patrol]

Or not easily

[mossy mortar]

They used to have certain requirements though

[dusk patrol]

They used to do that but have changed a lot recently

[mossy mortar]

Total Warhammer only was allowed to be made because they had already blown ip WHFB with end times

[brittle slate]

There’s also public opinion which GW is extremely sensitive to

[mossy mortar]

For a long time they were wary of games too similar to tabletop

[brittle slate]

Total warhammer has a massive Reddit following

[mossy mortar]

Not just reddit...

[deft sedge]

I've got about 4k hours or more in the total warhammer series

[dusk patrol]

And have made a more concerted push to make

[brittle slate]

And for some reason Reddit has a massive impact on their overall strategy

[mossy mortar]

It sold really well

[dusk patrol]

Total Warhammer is their biggest game ever

[brittle slate]

Lol- yeah and Facebook

[dusk patrol]

For both companies

[deft sedge]

it's not DoW III?

https://tenor.com/view/hysterical-laughter-laughing-gif-25735842

[brittle slate]

Lol

[dusk patrol]

[brittle slate]

I wouldn’t give very much credit to GW when it comes to video games of any kind.

That’s all

[dusk patrol]

I would recently

[deft sedge]

honestly or anything. I'm antipathic to the company

[dusk patrol]

Mechanicus, Darktide, Total Warhammer, Vermintide, Teef and whatever it’s called

[deft sedge]

their artists are amazing, production is high quality

[brittle slate]

Loaning out authors doesn’t count

[deft sedge]

but the company direction itself pisses me off

[dusk patrol]

Rogue Trader and the new Space Marine game look good

[brittle slate]

But… don’t have very much involvement from the company

[dusk patrol]

They never made any of their games so idk why this matters

Or they haven’t for a long time

[brittle slate]

?

[dusk patrol]

DoW wasn’t made by them

Space Marine wasn’t made by them

[brittle slate]

No game was made by GW

[dusk patrol]

They’re a wargaming company

Yeah I know

[brittle slate]

So what are you saying?

[dusk patrol]

So I don’t get what your point is?

[brittle slate]

GW doesn’t get credit for the recent good content games that have come out

Period.

[dusk patrol]

Yes they do because they choose who gets to make their games

And they’ve had a concerted push to make better games

[brittle slate]

Anyone who can buy a license.

[dusk patrol]

Not how it works buddy

[deft sedge]

actually I hate to disagree but they did

not Warhammer games though

[dusk patrol]

Used to be that way

[brittle slate]

Lol- ok buddy.

[dusk patrol]

Now they’re a lot more discerning

[deft sedge]

Talisman probably the only famous one

[brittle slate]

No. They aren’t. It’s whoever can buy the license.

My company has considered it.

[dusk patrol]

Oh so you just don’t know what your talking about

[brittle slate]

I’ve seen the paperwork.

[dusk patrol]

Ok

[brittle slate]

It’s not hard.

[deft sedge]

👀

[brittle slate]

Or your just an fan.

Spend your money and have fun.

[dusk patrol]

It’s easy to see the recent trend in the recent years

And statements they’ve made

Used to be mostly just shitty mobile games and garbage

[brittle slate]

Well I don’t need a guy yelling into an echo chamber to start my day.

https://tenor.com/view/peace-out-gif-22295199

[dusk patrol]

Oh no someone disagreed with him

[frozen perch]

guys is there somewhere that has the lyrics to the boss fight song? i want to be able to chant them at my computer while slaying

[scenic sun]

still some games are in mobile

i don't stop getting ads about fucking tacticus

[atomic lodge]

I too would love this information

[dusk patrol]

There’s still some for sure but they’ve made a huge concerted effort to improve the view of their branded games

Whereas for awhile they just gave it to any Tom Dick and Harry who wanted to make some shit game for a few bucks

[rustic spruce]

what power revives the living saints

[arctic talon]

Big E

[deft sedge]

Johnny Space himself

[shadow trench]

can someone explain how grimoires are part of the lore like im 12

[rustic spruce]

they're big ol books of chaos writings and other nastiness

[storm jungle]

On-field evidence and research material for the experts back on the Mourningstar to analyze

[rustic spruce]

we gotta set them on fire

[brittle slate]

well, tomacini, when a very bad man starts talking to the monster under his bed and writes a book, sometimes it can scare people so we have to hide them in a small room in the basement with lots of policemen!

[crisp heath]

We could totally kill a space marine

[brittle slate]

yuuup

[crisp heath]

Thunder hammers, power swords, plasma guns, psykers, ogryns

Plus we kill shit more threatening than an astartes

[brittle slate]

i know they've said they won't do it, and i respect that, but i bet you we get a single space marine boss battle one day

[crisp heath]

Probably in a dlc

[brittle slate]

yes- but lore-astartes are just built different

[brittle slate]

on a side note, i bet you we get Genestealer Cults as the first major dlc

[crisp heath]

Even a lore astartes gets one shorted by overcharged plasma guns, and psykers, and thunder hammers, might survive a power sword with a missing limb tho

[brittle slate]

it kind of depends on the author but you're not wrong

[crisp heath]

True, CS goto astartes might survive it

[acoustic copper]

I mean technically lorewise nothing should be able to stop any kind of power weapon, as they have a molecular disruption field. No amount of armour helps if your atoms are being torn apart

[brittle slate]

like space marines get slaughtered by tau technology but then also withstand necron c'tan powers

[brittle slate]

theoretically they would just dodge everything and then karate chop you in half

but, in lore a swarm of rioters killed a space marine in one story

so it's a little all over the place in terms of expectations

[acoustic copper]

I tend to assume the novels are going to be propaganda to some extent

"everything is canon, not everything is true"

[brittle slate]

playing some of these levels with the space marine statue and i'm trying to figure out the background of this planet- has anyone seen details?

because it's a primaris marine- which feels odd that a giant golden statue would have one yet not have more info

[deft sedge]

csgoto astartes would survive the heat death of the universe lol

[sweet saffron]

hey did anyone catch what chapter the Astartes Statues hail from in the newish map?

[arctic talon]

Ultramarine I think

There’s the symbol on his shield

Not sure if it’s MKX armor or MKIV armor tho

[brittle slate]

it's ultramarine

which, again, does that mean that we're in the ultima segmentum?

[acoustic copper]

honestly I'm normally too distracted by killing things to look at the scenery

[arctic talon]

No

[crisp heath]

Not your average tactical marine,

[sweet saffron]

Damnit, has hoping it was going to be either Imperial fists or some Ultramarine Successor

[arctic talon]

Still funny to see a space marine statue

[brittle slate]

i'll go back and check the statue

[arctic talon]

And no one gives a shit

[brittle slate]

but it's a primaris

[sweet saffron]

depends on the density and power of the plot armor

[arctic talon]

Is it?

[brittle slate]

i'll take screen grabs

[arctic talon]

Bcs the MKIV and primaris helmets look the exact same

[acoustic copper]

I mean it's a 40k game, space marine statues are kind of expected

[brittle slate]

fair

[arctic talon]

Idk

The torso will prolly tell

lol

[brittle slate]

but it puts it in a weird place in the timeline

[sweet saffron]

its just a Mark V aquila armor with a Maxima Helm

[arctic talon]

Not really

Darktide is during the indomitus crusade

[sweet saffron]

you can tell through the lack of a neck guard

[crisp heath]

Cato sicarious did it not a normalmarine

[acoustic copper]

the Wolfquad surprised me

[arctic talon]

You mean MKVII

[sweet saffron]

takes place during the current time period

[brittle slate]

it would be odd to have a giant gold statue of a space marine primaris but no mention of primaris

[arctic talon]

bcs MKV is the dogshit armor lol

[sweet saffron]

again, PLOT ARMOR

[brittle slate]

and if it's during indomitus its, what, 5-10 years after the rift?

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

Is only truly applicable to main characters or wide characters that matter

[acoustic copper]

how many statues have you walked past in your lifetime without commenting on what they are?

[sweet saffron]

well while it was shit, it made up for it by being adaptable to the wearers specific needs

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[crisp heath]

The after age astartes is not that, and in fact, plot armor is on the player characters side

[arctic talon]

But MKV doesn’t have an aquilla on it

Unless it was made during the siege of terra

Which I doubt

[sweet saffron]

Thell that to Talos of the 8th Legion

[brittle slate]

if they're giant golden statues of the living embodiment of my god's wrath and they just built it a year or so ago- yeah, i'd mention it

[arctic talon]

The statue isn’t gold

It’s just made out of nondescript metal

[sweet saffron]

probably bronze or some shit

[brittle slate]

whatever

[crisp heath]

Aren’t they like almost dieing off

[sweet saffron]

granted the statues were built in the ecclesiarch district so it might be made of a more valuable material

[sweet saffron]

Talos was the MC of the Night Lords trilogy

[arctic talon]

Melted bones of the pilgrims who died

[sweet saffron]

I would be laughing if they didn't do that in lore

[arctic talon]

Coated in Dianantine

[acoustic copper]

quick shoot the statue for loot

[sweet saffron]

No its made of Resin

[crisp heath]

And

[arctic talon]

Finecast

[sweet saffron]

the forgeworld kind, cause only the dick hats would be able to afford it

[arctic talon]

Lmao

[eager lake]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5oNpb0dLNhE\

Ogryn Momma knows best

[wintry junco]

should i read the redemption corps story? will it give me a btter grasp of WH40k? completely new to this fandom

i found this one cause it has characters that reoccur in this game

[deft sedge]

there is mention of primaris

at the indomitus crusade voice lines

veteran has some

[brittle slate]

cool

[deft sedge]

talking about “them primaris mahreens” lol

[meager zinc]

Honestly? I just went through deep dives on the lexicanum wiki when i first started. Anything that piques your interest about the lore is a good starting point.

[wintry junco]

sounds good

[ripe ravine]

luetin09 makes some excellent lore videos on youtube

[meager zinc]

Him too

Just DONT start with Guilliman waking up. What a rollercoaster of problems that was

[acoustic copper]

honestly I haven't found a single loretuber who bothers to provide actual references for what they say, so treat them all with suspicion

[ripe ravine]

templin institute has some less long form videos

[wintry junco]

so my understanding is mortensen our commander dude in darktide was a tempestus scion/stormtrooper

[meager zinc]

Eh alot of his videos are opinions anyways.

[wintry junco]

so was zola

so how did t hey end up in the inquisition

[ripe ravine]

but you can also just pick a book and start reading. some are more beginner friendly than others but once you start to figure the setting out you can explore what you like

inquisitors are extremely powerful agents answerable (at least in theory) only to the emperor himself. if an inquisitor recruits you, that's your life now

[deft sedge]

could have simply been recruited directly

inquisitors have carte blanche basically

[wintry junco]

zola is an inquisitor in training too i guess, wiki says explicators are like initiates

[acoustic copper]

yeah, Inquisitors can take pretty much anyone from anywhere, that's why nobody bats an eyelid that a bunch of convicts are wandering about on the ship

[meager zinc]

So The Imperium is not a faction that respects the individual. If you dont follow orders or scramble to survive, you will be crushed by the boot of oppression and suffering.

[ripe ravine]

explicators are like rookie interrogators yeah

inquisitor's apprentice apprentice

[devout oxide]

luetin09 is one of the only lore tubers who is usually* on point when it comes to lore

[acoustic copper]

"You might one day potentially be on the path to possibly being one of many candidates to be an Inquisitor's apprentice"

[meager zinc]

So how they ended up in the inquisition is not unique: they were recruited by inquisition forces either by chance or by achieving a minimum expectation.

[ripe ravine]

there's always disagreements on lore but i've found luetin09 is generally far less prone to adding in headcanon or making weird conclusions

[devout oxide]

when he adds headcannon he says usually

[meager zinc]

But 40k has enough wiggle room to allow for headcanon in certain areas. I mean thats where the whole tabletop game is supposed to thrive.

[ripe ravine]

yeah for sure. I just mean in the range of lore youtube channels you can be reasonably sure that he's referencing actual source material

[meager zinc]

My Ork army is filled with NFT bros and you cant stop me

[acoustic copper]

yeah, but when you're teaching other people about the setting it's important to distinguish "this is official" from "this is what I made up"

[devout oxide]

but still, i prefer to read/look up myself if its something I really like. The 40k universe is so huge no way you can just master it or what not, but something I do see is a lot ofp people end up doing things like reading a excerpt, and base their entire opinion on a character/faction/whatever for that entire event. You cant read 3 paragraphs from a book copy and pasted for you on reddit or whatever then make up some insanely hard line positon on something lol

[acoustic copper]

or people taking a 40k meme and then spinning it completely out of all proportion

[wintry junco]

so the robot holograph guy is the inquisitor in charge of us in this game right

what exactly is mortensen's role

[ripe ravine]

stuff like lore videos are great for helping new people learn about what might interest you but yeah if you want to know the full story you gotta read the novels and campaign books

plenty of summaries can distort stuff out of context

[meager zinc]

True, but i think thats more important when focusing on big established characters. Worrying if my little squad of skitaari truly believe in The Omnissiah is blurring the lines of true canon and headcanon

[devout oxide]

tons of that. My friends kid just turned 18, and now they are all in warhammer and his friends want to talk about it with us. One kid explicitly watches nothing but youtube then gets straight up nasty/snide with the other kids regarding lore hes totally wrong about lol

[acoustic copper]

yeah but if you're introducing someone to the setting you don't tell them about your little squad of skitaari, you tell them about Skitaari in general

[meager zinc]

But but... I like my lil squad of skitaari 😦

[acoustic copper]

you can tell people about them later

[meager zinc]

No but i get you

[brittle slate]

always a risk

like most alien lore on youtube is just wrong

[deft sedge]

i personally hate youtube 40k stuff

[brittle slate]

almost ashamedly

[deft sedge]

imo just read it instead

[acoustic copper]

the only lore you can trust is what you read/see for yourself from GW

[devout oxide]

audiobooks great as well

[deft sedge]

lol and even then

[devout oxide]

a lot are anyway

[earnest basin]

luetin major kill and weshammer are pretty good IMO but mostly readings the way to go

[meager zinc]

I think general info about 40k is important to be consistent canonically. But when people start talking about what the Tau eat for breakfast or how they shave their hooves as if thats established lore, thats where i draw the line.

[deft sedge]

dislike all three of them tbh. i hate majorkill especially

[acoustic copper]

Majorkill is not by any definition "good"

[deft sedge]

just toxic and too much talk about political science

if i wanted to hear an unemployed man’s opinion on fascism I would just go to my local pub

[earnest basin]

yea hes an acquired taste I wil

[deft sedge]

lol

[meager zinc]

I like to listen to it for background noise or something to fall asleep to

[earnest basin]

will say* but i enjoy his content

[devout oxide]

major kill is like 100% memes isnt he?

[earnest basin]

I dont really think hes racist or anything just colorful

pretty much

[acoustic copper]

that says more about you than you might want it to

[earnest basin]

i dont care

just stating my opinion

[deft sedge]

nah after I heard him talk shit about Jews I was done, being one myself

[meager zinc]

UH. OH.

[earnest basin]

completely understandable

[wintry junco]

_>

[devout oxide]

what did he say?

[wintry junco]

wtf

[earnest basin]

Im african american but really I think its just in good fun

dark humor and all

not for everyone for sure

[deft sedge]

happy merchant shit, “jews control the world” shit, jews are skaven rats, etc

hes a piece of shit

i hope someone boots him in the throat

[meager zinc]

ANYWAYS SO UH WEIRDBOYZ. WHY ARE THEY SO WEIRD???

[wintry junco]

warhammer is supposed to portray how a fascistic empire crumbles... right? would that really attract genuine irl ones?

[acoustic copper]

I gave him a try, saw him referring to Fulgrim as "Snake r*pe dude" and noped tf out

[ripe ravine]

its the axework of the gods

[devout oxide]

lmao comparing jews to rats is pretty fucking crazy, you usually get axed quick for thinks like that

[ripe ravine]

yes.

the satire goes over their head

[wintry junco]

the fandom seems all hoorah about the empire of mankind but it's all just sort of RP right

[crisp heath]

Not exactly? No empire IRL ever faced the kinds of total conflict seen in 40k

[deft sedge]

nah warhammer is a straight up parody of 80s thatcherism

can confirm

[meager zinc]

(shhh just look at the funny orkz)

[deft sedge]

lived through it

[ripe ravine]

mostly until it isn't

[devout oxide]

The warhammer facism problem is something in 25+ years of playing I have never seen except online lol

[acoustic copper]

I mean....mostly. depends on which parts of the fandom you talk about

[deft sedge]

stopped going to my loca GW because of all the “Krieger” armies that were suspiciously WW2

[crisp heath]

Like 40k makes sense only in the context of entire armadas of omnicidal aliens and a parallel dimension about to rape and murder you for infinity

[deft sedge]

it exists

[devout oxide]

No way. A army has a theme?

[deft sedge]

bro you know what I am saying

[crisp heath]

You can just play Bolt Action and literally play the nazis

[wintry junco]

from my understanding 40k was very inspired by Starship Troopers
which was straight up just a satire of fascism and its portrayal in sci fi

[deft sedge]

cmon

[meager zinc]

Anyone who has the slightest understanding of the imperium knows how much of a nightmare it is to live in it

[devout oxide]

There was a totally well adjusted kid at my store who threw a fit because someone was playing a german paratrooper army in bolt action

[deft sedge]

moreso Dune

[devout oxide]

unless the thing has swastikas on it, I dont see a issue lol

[wintry junco]

Dune has similar themes dunnit

[crisp heath]

40k is all of the scifi at once

[deft sedge]

cool, you’re not the arbiter of good taste lmao

if i see a ww2 german 40k army i am calling that shit out

[devout oxide]

No, im the arbiter of someone who can still hang out in a store because im not some self ostracizing weirdo lol

[deft sedge]

fuck nazis and fuck their dogwhistles, i stomped em flat in my punk days and would do so again

[acoustic copper]

actually the novel was very much not a satire. heinlein was pretty pro-fash. The movie turned it into satire but that came way after 40k

[crisp heath]

I mean people have been Wehraboos as long as WW2 ended

[devout oxide]

I bet you did

[crisp heath]

Doesn't make you a literal nazi

[earnest basin]

i mean kriegers are have very obvious theme but people who take it to nazi shit are weird as fuck

[devout oxide]

lmao

[wintry junco]

oh damn, i thought it was the other way around

[deft sedge]

yeah and fuck ‘em too

[crisp heath]

Kriegers are even more muddled being WW1 armies

[deft sedge]

theyre sick cunts

[crisp heath]

Their uniforms are even a threefold mix of British, German, and French WW1 uniforms

[ripe ravine]

there's also steel legion

[devout oxide]

I have steel legion, in before i get my ass stomped by the old crust punk.

[meager zinc]

Hehehe uhhh well. You'd be surprised once you start showing them evidence to the contrary

[acoustic copper]

nobody ever mentions the french aspect for some reason. Maybe because some people just want an excuse to be edgy and play space nazis without any regard for the actual inspiration for the models

[deft sedge]

“this is my accurate wehrmacht imperial guard army, no im not a nazi how could you think that you woke idiot”?

fuckin stupid games

[earnest basin]

RPing nazis in 40k has to be mental illness

[devout oxide]

the nice thing about both fascist weirdos and overly sensitive weirdos is they end up mostly online because they self ostracize or no one wants to be arround them. The trash usually takes itself out in both cases

[crisp heath]

Well just like declaring the steel legion is WW2 nazis when they aren't, at all

[wintry junco]

it's less about accusation and more about the implication, because in so many of these mil-fi fandoms (hearts of iron, EU4) people often align with political groups and dogwhistle(?) to each other

which is easy to mask by contextualizing it as in-universe
just my two cents, im extremely new to warhammer

[meager zinc]

"okay well you do know your mixing waffen-ss camo uniforms with wehrmacht rank structure, right?" WHAT?? MAN WHO CARES ABOUT THAT I JUST WANTED IT TO LOOK COOL

[crisp heath]

Nazis everywhere in my 40k!

[acoustic copper]

until they show up to Spanish tournaments and get thrown out cos nobody wants to play them... 🤣

[ripe ravine]

yeah there's a lot of that. but if you're worried about it being prevalent in the fandom, you really have to go looking for it

[devout oxide]

Thats why it was world wide news

at a non gw torunament

[wintry junco]

that's good

[devout oxide]

lol

[ripe ravine]

Games Workshop released a pretty unambiguous statement a year or two ago

they don't want those customers

[acoustic copper]

that statement was a great way to weed out the people you really don't want to be associating with tbh XD

[deft sedge]

yeah it was well-needed

[ripe ravine]

yeah everybody who reacted negatively to it outed themselves

[earnest basin]

its prevalent enough i feel like someone was jumping on my dick the other day in game over my ogryns skin color

[acoustic copper]

"I can't believe that statement GW put out-" ooooohkay buddy, into the blocklist you go

[meager zinc]

In all honesty, pro-facist rhetoric is wholly condemned in the 40k community. Some people do try to hide their tendencies, sure, but most people are here for the GRIMDARK RAINBOW.

[deft sedge]

bro I'm an Orthodox Jew and you would not believe the amount of shit I get whenever I try to play warhammer at games workshops

[wintry junco]

that's great to hear, some communities dont really call it out and it festers and takes it over like in HOI4

[meager zinc]

Really? Fuck them people man. Truly.

[wintry junco]

are there any human factions that are aligned with neither chaos or the imperium?

[crisp heath]

Not ones that last for long

[eager lake]

Someone talking about Nazis.. who am I fightin

[ripe ravine]

they are technically abhumans but the Leagues of Votann

[deft sedge]

it honestly killed the hobby for me in my early twenties and I only just got back into it

[ripe ravine]

might be what you're looking for

space dwarves

[crisp heath]

https://warhammer40k.fandom.com/wiki/Severan_Dominate

[meager zinc]

There are many undiscovered human settlements that have hidden by the warp. There are also humans who have allied with the Tau.

[wintry junco]

seems like everyone is stuck between a rock and a hard place in this universe

[ripe ravine]

but as far as standard human factions no the Imperium is the only game in town

yeah that's the fun of it. everyone is kind of fucked, several groups are mega powerful hard counters to each other

[acoustic copper]

that's pretty much the theme: "Everything is crap and there are no good guys"

[crisp heath]

It's the Grim Darkness

[ripe ravine]

there are no good guys and no good options basically

imagine the worst case scenario and that's on theme for 40k

[meager zinc]

There have been 100s of human colonies/planets/settlements that the imperium have faced/absorbed/crushed over the millenia, so anything you can think of, the imperium have probably eaten it lol

[wintry junco]

do the orks and tyranids ever fight the chaos

[meager zinc]

Yep. Constantly

[acoustic copper]

well half the imperium has just been cut off so who knows how many other systems may have broken away in the meantime

[ripe ravine]

the imperium's power level is so large that any independent state would have no chance against it, the only thing that does are chaos or xenos empires and they are hostile to independent humanity in their own ways

[acoustic copper]

everyone fights with everyone

[ripe ravine]

except kind of sort of the tau

[wintry junco]

they could probably beat it back for a long time if all the races united
which isnt going to happen lol

[ripe ravine]

you can live as a second class tau vassal

[acoustic copper]

The only species with a hope in hell of beating the Tyranids is maybe the necrons

[meager zinc]

Even if an independent human faction resisted the imperium, that doesn't make them resistant to chaos corruption

[wintry junco]

have humans ever worked with orks

[meager zinc]

Nah, my money is on the orkz

[acoustic copper]

because every tyranid ever encountered is just part of a tiny probing tendril on the fringes of the main hive fleet, which is bigger than the galaxy itself

[ripe ravine]

usually no but the blood axes are a notable exception

[acoustic copper]

yes. Blood Axes act as mercenaries and have been hired by Imperial worlds before

[meager zinc]

Its very very rare tho

[ripe ravine]

sometimes they will take mercenary jobs, because they are obsessed with being kunnin like their god mork and are envious of the humans good tactics

[eager lake]

Free booter pirates as well

[acoustic copper]

Orks don't really have anything against the Imperium, they just love a fight

[ripe ravine]

a yes the freebootaz

[acoustic copper]

the Imperium are extremely xenophobic though, so it's kind of a desparation thing

[meager zinc]

If you literally run away from a group of Orkz long enough? Theyll starting fighting each other. Thats their primal motivations.

[acoustic copper]

like "oh crap Chaos Space marines are invading, there's a Blood Axe fleet nearby and we have no idea when we can expect Imperial help, better pay the orks"

[ripe ravine]

chaos also fights stuff like tyranid and orks, but we rarely see it in lore because the Imperium is chaos' main beef. there is a tyranid hive fleet that specializes in fighting chaos though

[meager zinc]

But you may even say "hey we got a real good fight coming up." And may get em for a lower price.

[ripe ravine]

and I think the orks lost against the tyranids during warzone octarius

[acoustic copper]

yeah but they'd normally just go "You know what's a better fight? fighting them AND you"

hence the need to pay them off

[meager zinc]

True. Its a risky option.

[acoustic copper]

combination mercenary pay & protection money

[ripe ravine]

everyone has the potential to fight everyone though, which is in large part by design for the tabletop game

[meager zinc]

Thats why you contact them at fleeing range lolll

[acoustic copper]

yeah, you can't really go "this faction would never fight this faction" because...what if two players of those armies want a game?

[ripe ravine]

even imperium armies can fight. its a big empire, things get confusing all the time. conflicting orders, units mistaken for renegades

[meager zinc]

Well i mean tyranids TECHNICALLY shouldnt be fighting tyranids lorewise

[acoustic copper]

they do

lorewise on tyranid worlds they send fleets against each other to test different strains and mutations

[meager zinc]

Oh okay then.

[acoustic copper]

because at the end of the day they get to reclaim all the biomass anyway

[ripe ravine]

not caring about foot soldiers is very tyranid

[deft sedge]

they're kind of more robots than sentient creatures at the foot soldier level

well maybe less robots than animals

[meager zinc]

Also chaos corruption can turn a "fresh" imperial army too

[acoustic copper]

they're basically insects

[deft sedge]

you need a synapse creature in order to marshal them properly

otherwise they go feral

[raven pulsar]

whats the lore behind the cash shop?

[acoustic copper]

Clothes cost money

just like in the real world

[meager zinc]

I mean you think theyd do that kind of R&D deeper back in the swarm but what do I know. Ive never hiveminded anything.

[raven pulsar]

good thing they got writers

[meager zinc]

Rogue... Traders?

[acoustic copper]

the swarms are always evolving. always. sometimes they need to figure out whether a mutation is worth keeping or not. How do you know if Carnifex A is better than Carnifex B? Send ten thousand of each against each other and see what happens

[ripe ravine]

corrupt consumer practices is also very on theme for 40k

[meager zinc]

Whenever capitalism comes up in the Imperium my answer is always those DAMNED Rogue Traders.

[meager zinc]

I guessss.

[ripe ravine]

unless there's a problem biomass is usually plentiful for hive fleets

nothing really lost

[dusk patrol]

Tyranids don’t acknowledge the laws of physics when it comes to biomass

They’re absurdly efficient

[ripe ravine]

yeah when in doubt a wizard tyranid biomass did it

it does what the plot needs it to do

[meager zinc]

I dunno you think time efficiency and entropy would be the hives main concern

[dusk patrol]

You would

But it’s not

[meager zinc]

Do things as fast as possible as efficiently as possible

[deft sedge]

even inside the hiveships themselves

they have lil tournaments

[dusk patrol]

They just kinda like

Have perfect efficiency or conservation

Or damn near

[meager zinc]

I mean i guess efficiency isnt very 40k

[deft sedge]

yes in fact this was GW's philosophy behind the initial tyranid sculpts

which took Danny 15 minutes and a coffee to produce

[meager zinc]

I mean at least they were less xenomorph looking back then lollll

Ive always wanted a joke narrative of the "Great Litigation"

[acoustic copper]

eeehh...

but yeah the whole range got giger-ified in 3rd edition

[meager zinc]

Where a Xenomorph hive appears at the front of a tyranid tendril and the whole invasion stops because the xenos have finally gotten their papers together to sue the tyranids lollll

[cyan oxide]

i would be more horrified fighting this than a xenomorph tbh

[meager zinc]

The emperor get off his chair "wtf i gotta see this turn on the TV man"

Abaddon wakes up horus DUDE DID YOU HEAR??

[cyan oxide]

old one judge

[meager zinc]

Carnifex lawyer

[deft sedge]

is it "post embarassing old warhammer models" time?

[cyan oxide]

english teacher

[deft sedge]

genestealer patriarch

[wintry junco]

good god

[meager zinc]

Kork bailiff

[meager zinc]

Honestly this can still work for a genestealer

[deft sedge]

female space marines

(yes, official GW)

[meager zinc]

Haahahah i think they got thrown in the warp for a lil too long

[deft sedge]

GW used to also put instructions on how to make your own vehicles

this is the famous Deodorant Hover Tank

[cyan oxide]

they are the lost primarchs

[meager zinc]

I mean the custom vehicles can still work for ork armies

[meager zinc]

"Dad why?"

[acoustic copper]

Female adventurers. they predate 40k

[cyan oxide]

they weren't lost they were deliberately forgotten

[deft sedge]

lmao

[acoustic copper]

people always trot out those models when talking about female space marines, they never bother to look at where they actually came from

[deft sedge]

c'mooon

[meager zinc]

They started the Horus Heresy

"Brother, look at us"

[deft sedge]

calling them space marines is a pretty safe bet lmao they have pauldrons

[cyan oxide]

the chaos gods just showed horus his sisters and he went traitor for simply being related to them

[acoustic copper]

top left, top right

[meager zinc]

Horus "What- OH SHIT! YEAH DAD SUCKS I'LL STOP HIM FOR YA."

[deft sedge]

at least use the actual display one

with colours

[acoustic copper]

lol so you already know they aren't Space Marines

[deft sedge]

sigh

inhales

who tf cares they are made by GW and have all the space marine characteristics

excuse me for making a clear joke lmao

[acoustic copper]

we just talked about the importance of separating official stuff from fanon when we were talking about youtubers, it's no different here

[deft sedge]

lmao oy gevalt

[acoustic copper]

yeah I get it, lol female marines, funneh

[cyan oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-buzzkill-buzz-kill-below-deck-below-deck-sailing-bad-time-gif-16607759

[deft sedge]

I won't talk about this with you. Stupid to be precious about "what is canon" and "what is not canon" when it was all written by 80's cokeheads

[rich sail]

female space marine is not possible u make space marine with genetic shit from the primarch which were made from genetic shit from the emperor and all are male so u need to accept the genetic shit to make the space marine

[rustic spruce]

Does slaanesh hate cegorach

[deft sedge]

space marine is not possible either because of the basic conservation of mass and energy

why split hairs

it's literally a waste of your brain capacity lmao

[acoustic copper]

you're on a discord channel for talking about 40k lore my dude

[acoustic copper]

Yes. Cegorach keeps stealing her snacks

[deft sedge]

yeah, and where does it say I have to discuss it specifically with humorless dolts like you? fuck off

[tropic pike]

God DAMN

[rich sail]

i think its ynead that steals her snacks

[tropic pike]

[cyan oxide]

ist the process of becoming a space marine like years and i would imagine the rapid chages in biology would make metabolism skyrocket in order to account for body growth

[acoustic copper]

Solitaires are supposed to go to Slaanesh by default, cegorach steals them back

[cyan oxide]

probably the reason why they are recruited as adolescents

[rich sail]

why do u even need female space marines anways there are plently of all-female orgs in the imperium that are badass like anathema psykana and sororitas

[deft sedge]

yeah takes awhile. there are also multiple stages

like they'll get one batch of organs, then testing, then another, then testing

etc

[deft sedge]

why does anyone need anything? stupid argument. if you want female space marines you can model female space marines

[tropic pike]

Gamers ™️ want lore accurate misogyny

[deft sedge]

hell if you wanna replace all your space marine heads with fuckin' rat skaven heads, you can do that

no one at the GW table will cite you for a violation lmao

[deft sedge]

SERIOUSLY that's all it is

[cyan oxide]

unless you animate it and post it on youtube

[deft sedge]

maybe someone doesn't want to model women with booba battle armor that work for the Ecclesiarchy which is modeled after the catholic church

fuck the catholic church

[rich sail]

than i damand male representation in the sisters of silence and sisters of battle

[deft sedge]

then you can do that? also there are

sisters of battle employ male servants

[cyan oxide]

ANYWAY this conversation is now annoying bye

[tropic pike]

Gotta change imperial law for the lore side of things but i bet you could kitbash a really neat looking male battle sister

Femboy soritas

[deft sedge]

seen some male repentia before

[acoustic copper]

kinda weird that GW decided to put all these unnecessary rules about gender roles into the lore

[deft sedge]

pretty sick

[tropic pike]

Neat!

[storm jungle]

Because speaking as a woman at least i dont want to play the other armies lol

Its like

[deft sedge]

some head options are also more androgyne

[storm jungle]

a super weak excuse too

[deft sedge]

totally

let the women play women

let the men play men

let everyone do everything, it's plastic hobby

[tropic pike]

[deft sedge]

if someone has trouble with it they're just a goosestepping piece of shit

[storm jungle]

[deft sedge]

my sermon is now over lol

[tropic pike]

Big fan

YESSSSSS

I didnt have a fan emote

Thank you

[storm jungle]

its the only one I have alas

[tropic pike]

Wondering if noctua or big ass fans has a discord

Anyway

[deft sedge]

Your Dudes is seriously the best thing about the hobby

do what you want, make anything you want

[rich sail]

i mean on tabletop you can make ur army whatever u want no1 will care i am speaking strictly from a lore point of view, canonically the gene-seed only works on men

[storm jungle]

The lore doesnt matter

thats the point lol

"geneseed works on men"

literally the 41st millenium

we cannot splice chromosomes

[tropic pike]

you have angered the horde

[storm jungle]

[acoustic copper]

she says in a channel about discussing the lore

[storm jungle]

It really doesnt

sorry to break it to you lmao

[acoustic copper]

I mean, nothing really matters

[tropic pike]

Specifically to this topic

[storm jungle]

Like, you guys are aware minis are made first then the lore is made up second right

Primaris marines literally came out of nowhere

[deft sedge]

BL literally is 1% of sales lmfao

[storm jungle]

^

[tropic pike]

;(

[deft sedge]

less even

it's 2.5M pounds

[storm jungle]

40k lore is literally built in "what excuse can we make to add this thing into the tabletp"

[deft sedge]

total sales is like 28.5M

[tropic pike]

Dan abnett my beloved

[storm jungle]

so like dont give me this stupid "geneseed only works on men" nonsense

[deft sedge]

if you're gonna sit there and argue why nO fEmAlE mArInEs I'm sure you'll make the chauvinist cokehead from 1980 who designed this all really take a step forward and congratulate you personally

fuckin shite for brains haha

[rustic spruce]

Lotta insults being thrown around in here today

[deft sedge]

i'm scottish ah no can help it

[storm jungle]

But anyway yeah female marines dont exist because the writers dont want them to, simple as, it will remain that way for the forseeable future.

[tropic pike]

Get well soon ;(

[storm jungle]

Its why stormcasts are kinda bug-fixed marines more or less

[acoustic copper]

that's what happens when people run out of rational arguments

[deft sedge]

haha away tae fuck ye wee radge

love you though you a real one

[acoustic copper]

I agree that it's really stupid that GW decided that space marines could only be men, for basically no reason, but they did do that

[tropic pike]

I am illusory, an image of your waining conscious. Wake up.

👻

Thank you though

[crisp heath]

I've not really paid attention to AoS, what makes stormcast bugfixed marines

[storm jungle]

1 sec

[deft sedge]

https://tenor.com/view/just-wake-up-gif-25010419

[tropic pike]

Im wheezing

[barren tapir]

Well, the reason was that the minitatures for female space marines didn't sell well in the '80

[storm jungle]

e.g. a stormhost can be hundreds of thousands of soldiers, they're mixed gender, and not racially specific, they're made from adults not children, and ||they have sex drives for all the coomers.||

IE all the things people want from marines but aren't allowed because of legacy lore.

[deft sedge]

oh careful that guy will be right around to correct you

they are female warriors

adventurers even

[barren tapir]

Did i missed something?

[dusk patrol]

That was back before marines were even marines so yeah

[acoustic copper]

well yeah, but that's still not a good reason to specifically remove the possibility

[deft sedge]

lol no I'm just being a mischevious little goblin

[dusk patrol]

Rogue Trader was a very different beast

[storm jungle]

Again legacy lore

female marines will come in when the writers want it to be so

so for now nothing atm

[crisp heath]

I am surprised they didn't add them in with primaris

[acoustic copper]

yes, but even at the time there wasn't a good reason to do it, is what I'm saying

[storm jungle]

Same

[deft sedge]

I would imagine it's a cost benefit thing

[storm jungle]

but like

its mostly because they are afraid of upsetting their cash-cows

Marines got the biggest playerbase more or less

[deft sedge]

100%

[tropic pike]

[deft sedge]

and most WH players are male

just talking statistically

[tropic pike]

Yeah

[storm jungle]

Its deffo gonna happen but not anyone time soon, 40k has been slowly getting more progressive in that regard

[deft sedge]

wish it was more balanced more women would be good for the hobby

[storm jungle]

Same

[acoustic copper]

would have been perfect, at the same time they added the ability to convert adults to marines they could have just gone "Oh yeah cawl fixed that chromosome bug"

[deft sedge]

my wife just got in this year and she was really upset about no female space marines

it sucks

[tropic pike]

Oh god

[storm jungle]

Yeah alas, at least the kitbashing is easy with just headswaps

[kind parrot]

does someone know what is the maximum weapon rating?

[barren tapir]

We all know that the best troops are skitarii, under that helm it can either be a male or a female, and no one care...

[deft sedge]

mhm she is doing all female chaos warriors

[kind parrot]

500 ? 450 /

[crimson musk]

They could even avoid upsetting existing players by making the female super soldiers not marines but their own thing.

[tropic pike]

This sounds NEAT

[crimson musk]

Bolter bitches be like 😦

[acoustic copper]

@kind parrot I think it's 500

[tropic pike]

What faction of chaos?

[dusk patrol]

It’s not

[deft sedge]

LOTS of 3d prints involved lmao

[deft sedge]

Slaves to Darkness

[dusk patrol]

It’s higher than 500

[crimson musk]

On a white? 400

[rustic spruce]

Ain’t gotta worry bout none of this when playing da boyz

[deft sedge]

this style

[tropic pike]

Ohhhhh

[dusk patrol]

You can get like 520 or more I’ve seen I believe

[kind parrot]

for orange item

[dusk patrol]

Depends on the perks and stuff

[deft sedge]

some sick stuff out there

[tropic pike]

GOD DAMN RHATS SO COOL

[kind parrot]

white green blue purple orange the rating or we have also red?

[dusk patrol]

But 530 should technically be possible I think?

[rustic spruce]

Orkz iz orkz, we’z just gunna giv em a gud krumpin

[rich sail]

540

[dusk patrol]

Maybe even more

[tropic pike]

I kinda forgot there was a lore chat, what a breath of fresh air from the putrid “gamer discourse ™️” in gen

[dusk patrol]

But anyways yeah

[tropic pike]

[scenic sun]

you're welcome to stay, it's nice in here

[kind parrot]

thanks for the info

[tropic pike]

I will be in and out

I am a trouble maker in gen and its fun to rile people up on occasion

But i used to be a huge lore buff in 7th edition

[rustic spruce]

Bloodbowl ork cheerleaders are where it’s at

[tropic pike]

LOL

[acoustic copper]

work those tassels

[scenic sun]

you love to hate it

[tropic pike]

[crimson musk]

Dumb question, are there canonically any guard units that use bolt guns?

Or any human forces that have them as standard issue besides sisters?

[tropic pike]

Iirc bolt pistols are a favorite among the officers

[crimson musk]

Ya, I know officers and commissars use them

[tropic pike]

Standard weaponry? Not that i can think of.

[crimson musk]

And Sargents sometimes have guns

[acoustic copper]

no. Bolters are very high maintenance and tend to be reserved for officers as status symbols or very well trained forces like the Sisters. the lasguns are standard issue because they're easy to mass-produce, are very hard to break and an idiot can use them

[celest dome]

Yes, the IG Saergent can have them

Oh as standard not really

[crimson musk]

So basically short of inquisition commando teams, you’re not finding bolt guns as standard issue

Sadge

[arctic talon]

Guard veterans

[rich sail]

we are part of the inquisition tho

in game

[acoustic copper]

Arbites are sometimes equipped with them, but they aren't Guard units

[crimson musk]

Yea

[scenic sun]

who qualifies as plasma gun user?

[arctic talon]

Literally every imperial faction

[scenic sun]

no i mean

you're a imperial guardsmen

how do you get your plasma gun?

[celest dome]

Those that are considered to be safer/more attentive to their weapon

[acoustic copper]

whoever survives plasma weapon training

[celest dome]

The officer give them to you

[arctic talon]

Quartermaster says you get it

Is usually how you get it

[scenic sun]

makes sense, what if you find it on the battlefield?

[arctic talon]

Give it to the quarter master or enginseer

[celest dome]

You can bring it back and you'll get some rations

[arctic talon]

Do not try keeping it for yourself

[acoustic copper]

then you're gonna blow yourself up

[scenic sun]

guess so

[acoustic copper]

or get yourself killed

[scenic sun]

i suppose plasma weapons are kinda like bolters in the sense they're hard to produce

[celest dome]

You might get rewarded by getting to use them after because you're liked

[arctic talon]

The plasma guns in game are from M35 lul

[celest dome]

Harder to produce but easier to provide fuel for

[scenic sun]

what?

[acoustic copper]

a bolter's significantly less likely to blow your face off. Not impossible, though

[arctic talon]

They’re 7000 years old

The ones we get in darktide

[scenic sun]

don't the imperium make more?

[arctic talon]

Yes

[scenic sun]

or is it an old patern, is that what you meant?

[arctic talon]

But the ones we got are old

And plasma gun design hasn’t changed like

At all

[scenic sun]

not many designs changed, if anything they got worse

most likely

[arctic talon]

Unless you count Cawls plasma guns which fucking explode instead of venting hot steam all over you

[acoustic copper]

and that one time the Mechanicus turned the safeties on

[arctic talon]

Plasma ironically doesn’t explode every often

[scenic sun]

was gonna ask how likely are plasma guns to explode on your face

[arctic talon]

It just blasts a bunch of hot steam on you

And it melts your skin

And flesh

[scenic sun]

if you don't force your weapon that is

[arctic talon]

It’s hard to make a plasma gun explode

[rustic spruce]

What does cawls staff shoot

[arctic talon]

The overheat is it discharging

Hot steam

[scenic sun]

guess that's what happens in game when you discharge it

and you take damage

[arctic talon]

And other wonderful things

[arctic talon]

Plasma

They just have 0 fucking emergency venting functions

To push them even further

[scenic sun]

Damm

[arctic talon]

But plasma guns are pretty hard to make go boom

You’ll just get burned alive instead

[dusk patrol]

Yeah them actually exploding is super rare

[crisp heath]

Tell that to my friends ig army, god rest the souls of those men and women trying to damage death guard terminators in cataphracti armor

[rustic spruce]

Should have fielded more artillery

Just load that shit up with earth shakers

[deft sedge]

poor bastards

only had plasma against cataphractii

wheres a lascannon when you need it