40k-lore-chat

[sudden yoke]

who's the random ass woman in the darktide trailer btw? i thought the inquisitor is a male

[celest dome]

The one who look like Mom from Futurama
The Shipmistress Brahm or something close

[rose gyro]

the Shipmistress

[heavy talon]

You know what's fun to do? Speculate on what role some piece of equipment served in the Dark Age of Technology.

Like the lasgun. What did they use it for if they were so advanced?

My best guess is it was like, a frontier weapon for settlers or something

[celest dome]

You know Lasertag

[vagrant briar]

I just figured it out. The emperor is the Antichrist the bible speaks about if he were successful. He destroys all religions ushers in the golden age!

He is the God emperor

[naive orbit]

its the other way around

man

[sweet saffron]

Who would y’all rather bang

A Sister of Battle

Or a Dark Eldar Wych

[still oracle]

sister of battle

not even close

[inland elm]

sister definitely

[still oracle]

like asking "would you rather have $20 or $1,000,000?"

[celest dome]

SoB

[mossy mortar]

i am volcel so none

[crisp heath]

Sister of battle

My discord profile should be proof enough

[scenic sun]

i do not want to imagine why a dark eldar wych would want to have sex with me. probably some bestiality kink of hers. No thanks

[barren tapir]

They did, and the writers are quite good... It cannot be said the same for many people that know jackshit about lore but feel entitled to criticize the lore of the game anyway

[sudden yoke]

arigato

[scenic sun]

Not every battle has a space marine. And I thought the lady was a rogue trader?

[quasi inlet]

No, you’d be flayed alive.

[scenic sun]

that happens AFTER

[quasi inlet]

DURING.

[scenic sun]

I was going to say at least that means I die, which is GOOD cause I'm trapped in the dark eldar's doimain

but who am I kidding, she won't let me die after that

[quasi inlet]

[scenic sun]

I'll become a couch, or her hat or something. A fate worse than death 😞

[naive orbit]

at least someone have sex

[celest dome]

No current information if she is one. We only know that she is the Shipmistress

[rose gyro]

our ship is too small for a rogue trader

[normal stream]

A rogue trader can have as smol of a ship as they want

[storm jungle]

The front banners on the ship also have the Rogue Trader sigil

[normal stream]

Huh, I never noticed.

I did find the 4 guardsmen that died in the game trailer though

They're suspended above one of the entrances to hab block dreyko

lol

[urban spire]

not all rogue traders are fabulously wealthy with gigantic ships

they can be from an old family that's fallen on hard times, or they can be someone who only recently came into possession of a writ of trade who hasn't had time to build any kind of wealth

or

their ship might just be small

not everyone establishes trade routes to traffic bulk goods

[arctic talon]

That’s a pretty detail actually

[normal stream]

Yeah

If you have Marrow as your mission giver, he'll say "One of our recon squads from before all this happened" or something

I took a screenshot earlier but forgot to post it here after the game

[winged pelican]

So like how tall is the emperor anyway

(In feet/inches please)

[crimson dragon]

What, where

[crimson dragon]

He changes what people perceive him as

But we all can guess that he is an old man

[winged pelican]

Huh

[normal stream]

entrance to hab drayko

[crimson dragon]

Who is at 6 feet

[normal stream]

suspended above

[crimson dragon]

Or less

Average height of ancient hittites

Idk what their heights are

[crimson dragon]

The emperor is a psyker. He just uses his psyker ability to change what what others perceive him as

[crimson dragon]

Sad

[normal stream]

I mean

Did you expect them to live

[crimson dragon]

Lol

[stuck kindle]

5'1"

[bright hamlet]

man, Enclavum Baross is awesome

[arctic talon]

As tall as he wants to be

He’s a Biomancer

[quaint sparrow]

There is this 40k animation I cannot find for the life of me and I thought here would be a good place to ask to see if anyone can scrounge it up lmao.

[arctic talon]

Is it a death korps of krieg one

Bcs if so the guy deleted it after getting bullied by the 40k community

There’s some reuploads tho

[quaint sparrow]

All I know is that it's a bunch of Guardsmen and one Space Marine who gets absolutely slaughtered by a Chaos Marine, and throughout the whole animation countless of guardsmen keep throwing themselves at the one guy.

there was a tank in it, too. I remember that LMAO A

It has disappeared from my YouTube watch list

[quaint sparrow]

It might have been?? Idk

[arctic talon]

Yeah it’s the death korps of krieg one

By sodaz

I’m not sure if that one got reuploaded

[quaint sparrow]

damn

[gloomy jetty]

Bullied? Why?

[arctic talon]

Because he dared to read an email from GW offering him employment

[quaint sparrow]

Because a wide majourity of the 40k community are assholes and manchidren who cannot get over themselves.

[arctic talon]

No fucking joke

[clever steppe]

well given kriegs modern reputation

[arctic talon]

He wasn’t even gona take the offer

And he literally said that in his community post

He proceeded to get bullied

[quaint sparrow]

God forbid the guy further himself and his productive career, lmao.

[late pagoda]

Does anybody know where the special information for guns went? For example the lucius helbore having a description about being from Krieg?

[gloomy jetty]

What a weirdly petty thing to be mean to someone over

[arctic talon]

And threatened to get doxxed

I don’t blame him for stopping the 40k animations

Bcs Jfc

[arctic talon]

Lucius hellebore is from the forgeworld Lucius

It’s commonly used by the dkok

[rustic spruce]

too bad those chaos space marines are no match for Ciaphas Cain hero of the imperium

[quaint sparrow]

Welcome to the 40k community from my understanding. So many man-children who have not and never will feel the hold of someone's hand in their own.

[late pagoda]

That isn't really what I asked, but it is a Krieger standard it quite literally said so in the weapon description, which I am currently trying to find again.

[arctic talon]

Ah

No clue

[late pagoda]

Did they really just remove them?

[arctic talon]

My b

I misread ur question

I’m dumb

[clever steppe]

40k is a fun community to not fully be a part of

[quaint sparrow]

No you're Wolf

[arctic talon]

But yeah some people bullied the shit out of sodaz

He deleted all his 40k stuff

[clever steppe]

doesnt sound worse than the average star wars fan

[gloomy jetty]

What’re they like?

[clever steppe]

rabid

hive minded

gate keep kings

the average star wars fanatic is like the mad king from game of thrones

[meager zinc]

Allowing yourself to get deep enough into a fandom to where you become deeply affected by other people's opinions is a separate matter than the IP itself

[meager zinc]

Bro we don't gate keep things, okay? Just because the prequels and the sequels really suck, and the original trilogy is still the only good thing to come from the SW universe doesn't mean we tell people what they can and cannot like!

[storm jungle]

Every fandom has its toxic side more or less

Star Wars is just a larger one because its such a big IP

40k would be the same if it had that much public appeal, so its a shared can of worms in any predicament

[scenic sun]

Wait until darktide makes 40k big (as if it isn't already)

This for legal reasons was a joke

[storm jungle]

[late pagoda]

Joe Moment

[deep badger]

Joek

[ruby sparrow]

I wonder if theyll do anything with the plaguebearer runes

Witchfiner i have a shitpost to do

[devout oxide]

Online fandoms are horrible. Been playing for 25 years now, literally since I was 9 and spent countless hours at tournies/hanging at the FLGS, I can count the truly bad interactions I have had on my hands.

In real life a lot of the people who suck get rightfully ostracized. Online it’s a free for all.

[arctic talon]

Yep

[full bane]

Welcome to the Internet, the home to all of humanity's toxic waste.

[meager zinc]

Eh online fandoms are fine, but it's like gardening. You gotta be diligent if you want your experience to be good. Gotta always be trimming the hedges, spraying for pests and pulling the weeds.

If you just let yourself engage with anything or anyone in a fandom, your gonna eventually get burned out

[crisp heath]

The manager at the Warhammer store warned me 💀

[storm jungle]

Its more or less what we are doing here

the subreddit people are complaining that we are banning people for shit-talking the game when the only bans in the last 2 days have been just transphobes

[devout oxide]

I have really enjoyed this chat. I don’t do Reddit, dakka is a pile and out of my friends I’m the one who has listened to like every audiobook in existence since I listen while traveling for work. I have actually read some stuff here that I didn’t know and some takes that were really fun.

[crisp heath]

Imagine being a transphobe in this day and age 🤢

[meager zinc]

I used to slap rats. Now i shoot gats and hope it will be as good as slapping a rat.

[rustic spruce]

what are the intricacies of ork teef economics

[celest dome]

There aren't many

Teef get broken down over time

So you krump your rivals to have more teef

[stuck kindle]

More teef more good

[bitter sparrow]

More krumping = higher inflation. Orkz need to chill out

[solar canopy]

https://i.imgur.com/DUG5iel.png

[celest dome]

That's one way to see, not a bad one to be honest

[crisp heath]

If your conviction falters when met with a trans person, what does that say about your conviction in the Master of Mankind when it is challenged?

[celest dome]

Hey don't put us Chaos followers in the same pack as those guys

[solar canopy]

Slaanesh accepts all

[wind heron]

Chaos gang?

[silver quail]

John Oliver had a bit about Puff Daddy changing his name like eight times so people can learn trans names easy enough if they weren't pricks

[rose thorn]

oh god waht did i misS??

[celest dome]

We prefer cult

[earnest basin]

Yo so how are the inquisitors we’re playing as not being corrupted by the overwhelming amount of the grandfathers blessings in Tertium

[rich sail]

Fuck the corpse-emperor. Embrace chaos

[deft sedge]

we are not playing as inquisitors

at best a warband, at worst a penal legion

not retinue either because we don’t even see the inquisitor in game

[earnest basin]

You join the inquisition at lvl 30

[deft sedge]

that doesn’t make you an inquisitor

[earnest basin]

My mistake your right

[deft sedge]

no worries at all pal

[earnest basin]

Some terming shit like that still gets me caught up

[deft sedge]

easy way to tell is that only inquisitors have the rosette

the I with three bars

we dont even know the ordo afaik

[earnest basin]

Ahh ok I appreciate the correction

[deft sedge]

probably hereticus

[earnest basin]

I would assume ye

[deft sedge]

but to answer your real q

we are most likely getting corrupted yes

no one in lore who would be in our position would survive

if they survived the missions, then they would likely be either killed by the inquisition or rendered a servitor (less likely)

[earnest basin]

I figured it was some god emperor level plot armor lol

No way you could walk through all those plagues and get swallowed by a beat of nurgle and come out unscathed

[deft sedge]

scale of stuff in max difficulty darktide is more appropriate to a space marine’s tasks

honestly

even seeing a daemonhost at all will drive most people nuts irretrievably

[earnest basin]

This too I was surprised they got added

[wind heron]

Oh so normal people shouldnt just be bonking those?

[earnest basin]

That kind of power vs 4 relatively normal humans (or ogryns)

[deft sedge]

definitely not

daemonhost we're talking maybe planetary threat

[wind heron]

how bout vs a chaos spawn?

[deft sedge]

a daemonhost?

[earnest basin]

They fuck shit up

[deft sedge]

DH wins versus spawn easily

[wind heron]

yea which ones harder?

oh

[earnest basin]

Host fs

[deft sedge]

if we're talking lore a spawn is just a failed chaos aspirant who is all mutated up

a daemonhost is a full on daemon conjured into a physical shell so it doesn't need to sustain itself in the realspace world

[wind heron]

Are psykers super common? like can most humans jus be popping some fools head?

[deft sedge]

extremely dangerous, more so than many daemons

[deft sedge]

not really

psykers are more common with humans becoming more psychically able

there's roughly 1 psyker for every billion humans

[wind heron]

i see so more powerful than an ogryn?

[storm jungle]

Entirely depends on the planet

some got more psykers than others

[deft sedge]

incomparably so yeah

[storm jungle]

"1 in a billion" is a bit too far fetched

theres a reason black ships get a ton for the tithe from virtually every imperial world

[deft sedge]

I dunno, there are quadrillions or more people in the Imperium

it depends what we're talking about re: psyker

are we including all navigators etc or are we talking sanctioned psykers

[storm jungle]

Navs dont really count

[deft sedge]

why not, they are psykers

[storm jungle]

they are all from noble families + are born from incest

[wind heron]

how bout people who can pop heads?

[storm jungle]

Psykers are more the many ones

[storm jungle]

Thats just a psyker that knows biomancy

[mossy mortar]

There's different levels of daemonhost. The more bound they are rhe weaker they are

[celest dome]

So apparently it's less than 5% of the total population

[deft sedge]

I'm talking like Cherubael

[celest dome]

For Psyker

[deft sedge]

more like .001%

with the scale the imperium operates

[earnest basin]

Psychic abilities range in strength too some people could merely read minds while others could genocide a planet via the mind

[mossy mortar]

Cherbael is like almost independent he is a very unusual case

[deft sedge]

I mean that's fair. tabletop daemonhost then

[celest dome]

5% and 1 in a Million

[deft sedge]

1% of 10 billion is 100 million. seems like too high a ratio to me

[wind heron]

Why don. we try to kill the inquisitor before they kill us 😆

[mossy mortar]

I mean the 4 player characters slaughter their way through like 500 bad guys per mission that's definitely in space marine territory in terms of resiliency and killing power

[celest dome]

Most Psyker aren't really able to do much

[deft sedge]

I'm aware that's from sisters of silence codex

[celest dome]

Codex or short story ?

[deft sedge]

the short story was published in the codex IIRC

the one about the black ships yeah?

iirc it said 1 in a million are psykers and 1 in a billion are blanks

[mossy mortar]

Theoretically 4 veteran guardsman should be able to take on... 4 veteran guardsmen

[wind heron]

yea why are we doing this and not loke actual marines?

[deft sedge]

however James Workshop has never been good with numbers and they are best ignored there haha

[mossy mortar]

Because the design of the game is normal guys

[earnest basin]

I feel like realistically if chaos corruption was this deep rooted on a world exterminatus would be considered more heavily but obviously then we wouldn’t have a game so

[deft sedge]

hard to simulate their abilities in games

like transhuman dread

[wind heron]

I see

[storm jungle]

Its really not

also transhuman dread is like

[mossy mortar]

Because they already did a space marine coop shooter

[storm jungle]

super garbo

[deft sedge]

wdym garbo lol

[earnest basin]

How do you mean Garbo?

[storm jungle]

enemies literally run away when they see the ogryn get close, its more or so the same thing

its not hard to implement

[deft sedge]

not really. look how fast a marine can run

they jog at 60km/hr lol

[storm jungle]

Fatshark just doesnt want marines in the game

[mossy mortar]

This is more fun as a scenario but maybe they should have made the game harder

[deft sedge]

sprint is 80km/hr

[storm jungle]

Thats also wank lol

[deft sedge]

whatever dude write a letter to Games Workshop lol. that's published canon

[celest dome]

SM stat by meme go Brrr

[storm jungle]

Marines are literally portrayed like Agents from the Matrix at times which is like incredibly goofy considering the amount of mundane shit they die to

[deft sedge]

I don't disagree it's stupid

[mossy mortar]

Like maybe taking on a squad of traitor guard should have been a serious challenge

[wind heron]

jogging at 60km/hr lol

[deft sedge]

and not reflective of tabletop

[mossy mortar]

Instead of like 30 seconds of shooting and slashing

[celest dome]

Singular one would be more appropriate

Though I prefer the Termi

With the Giant Contagion Flail

[earnest basin]

Kind of agree the power scaling is a biiiit off but it’s really fun lol

[deft sedge]

the drukhari run so fast they blur light, lmao

warhammer is dumb

[celest dome]

And they are slower so easier to portray

[mossy mortar]

The problem is the player characters would be way too squishy if they took hits like mormal

[deft sedge]

it was written by 80's cokeheads to sell plastic army men

[mossy mortar]

Though maybe they should have given us armor that works

[earnest basin]

Lol^

[celest dome]

Well we do have some better weapon than simple lasguns

Like a Plasma would be quite good against a SM

[wind heron]

Are guardsmen considered elite?

[mossy mortar]

My guy has a lasgun, a knife, and some grenades

[celest dome]

No

[deft sedge]

the opposite

[wind heron]

oh, the cannon fodder?

[celest dome]

But we ain't Guardsmen

[deft sedge]

tempestus scions, kasrkin, etc

they are the "elite"

[earnest basin]

Truthfully they are elite but the things they’re fighting are so fucked they become cannon fodder

[mossy mortar]

Guard are elite compared to planetary defense forces or militia

[wind heron]

oh i thoight veterans were guardsmen

[earnest basin]

Ex-guardsman yea

[celest dome]

Yes, but they hae access to better stuff than the regular Vet

[mossy mortar]

But it's 40k so literally everyone is the best of the best baddest warrior who spent 40 years training to be the best

[wind heron]

well better than zpmbies i guess?

[deft sedge]

tbh i'm glad it's not space marines, i'm sick of 'em haha

[celest dome]

And then a kid with a Melta come and ruin your perfect martial art

[earnest basin]

I just try not to think super hard about the lore ramifications of what’s occurring in dark tide cus it’s so fuckin awsome

[deft sedge]

honestly the sooner you abandon the lore as stupid the better. it was never a serious setting

[mossy mortar]

Like space marines are usually recruited from the galaxy's most badass 12 year olds who have been fighting and killing since they could walk

[earnest basin]

Agreed but could use some more games with them that aren’t top down or strat

[deft sedge]

Ferrus Manus the Iron Hand, dad of the Iron Hands, on the spaceship Iron Hand

[earnest basin]

Lmfao

[deft sedge]

Lion El Johnson named after Lionel Johnson

[mossy mortar]

That actually happens historically though

[deft sedge]

his most famous poem? Dark Angel

[mossy mortar]

Actual names get forgotten and replaced by weird titles or trafitions

[deft sedge]

Roboute Guilliman named after Robert Gillman

the UN chief at the time

Rogal Dorn means "Imperial Fist" literally translated

Khorne's head Bloodthirster is Genghis Khan

etc etc. it's dumb the whole way down

[mossy mortar]

Like how most people think jesus was actually first name Jesus last nsmr Christ

Or a certain ork chieftan is named after a famous british head of state

[wind heron]

How strong is an ork?

[mossy mortar]

As strong as necessary

Very strong

[deft sedge]

strong enough to pull limbs off a space marine

[earnest basin]

Extremely

[mossy mortar]

As strong as a space marinr

[wind heron]

👀

[mossy mortar]

Maybe stronger

[earnest basin]

They krump marines with in melee combat all the time

[mossy mortar]

Unless they are very young

[wind heron]

despite marines jogging 60km/hr?

[mossy mortar]

Orks have bad posture so they are slower

[deft sedge]

sure. there was an Ork that was the size of a Warhound Titan

lol

[mossy mortar]

Also their love of steel boot soles

Slows fhem down

[deft sedge]

an ork straight up almost choked the Emperor to death on Ullanor

[wind heron]

but red makws them go faster?

[mossy mortar]

Orks just get bigger and greener the more they fight and win

[earnest basin]

Can’t forget about the Krorks lol

[deft sedge]

they believe it does

purple is sneaky

[mossy mortar]

Or they paint faster things red

[wind heron]

oh does it?

[deft sedge]

yellow is good for more teef

black is more killy

[mossy mortar]

They don't understand cause and effect

They're not what you'd call philisophers

[deft sedge]

it's that and the waagh field which is often overhyped among fans

[wind heron]

i see so they pretty stupid?

[storm jungle]

The ork belief powers mostly affects their machinery/weaponry for the most part.

Its less the paint and them believing it does that make sit go faster.

[earnest basin]

Isn’t yellow more dakka?

[mossy mortar]

Blue is lucky

[feral agate]

Ork spaceships have windows for space drive-by’s

[storm jungle]

Yellow is more explosions

[deft sedge]

yeah maybe. the gold guys are the richest

so more dakka

[mossy mortar]

Ork spaceships have teeth to scare away warp creatires

[earnest basin]

Gotcha

[deft sedge]

orks are arguably the smartest in the setting when you think about it

they're having a grand time

they've got it figured out pretty much

[mossy mortar]

Thst one quote from ulthuan the perverse or whatever

[deft sedge]

some knife ear yeah

[earnest basin]

Orc Roks are the best part of they’re lore lol

[mossy mortar]

They have a perfect society

[storm jungle]

Thats more of a radical quote tho lmao

[mossy mortar]

And mobile economy

[storm jungle]

its kinda the point

[wind heron]

yea seems orks got none of the angst

[deft sedge]

orks only care about fightin and winnin

[mossy mortar]

There's an entire fungal ecosysten that accomaonies them that supplies all their food and materials

[earnest basin]

They’re happy to be there and happy to be killing pretty much

[wind heron]

or heresy they just give otjers the bonking

[mossy mortar]

So they eat squigs and fungus

[storm jungle]

they are basically warmongering psychos more or less yeah

[deft sedge]

well they themselves are also fungus

[mossy mortar]

That lives off of ork droppings

[storm jungle]

they eat humans too when hungry

and gobbos too

[deft sedge]

it's shrooms all the way down with Orks

[wind heron]

do they eat each other?

[deft sedge]

yeah and gretchin

[mossy mortar]

Yeah it's the most elegant solution to the "where are all the female orks" question

[storm jungle]

Just goblins mostly

[deft sedge]

squigs too

[storm jungle]

small and snack-sized

[mossy mortar]

There's no female orks they're all asexual

[crisp heath]

There's no male orks

[deft sedge]

yeah that's pretty straightforward. it's also why you never really "clear" out the orks

[wind heron]

they reproduce via cloning?

[earnest basin]

Correct me if I’m wrong but aren’t squigs just a devolved subset of orks?

[deft sedge]

spores

[crisp heath]

They're mushrooms

[storm jungle]

Nah they are custom

[wind heron]

oh?

[deft sedge]

no they're the same "race"

[storm jungle]

they spawn out of the fungus

[wind heron]

and just

[deft sedge]

they were created for that role by the Old Ones

[wind heron]

sprout fully grown?

[mossy mortar]

Squigs are part of their ecosystem

[earnest basin]

Gotcha thanks

[deft sedge]

holy shit where is that from lol

[earnest basin]

Yeah lmfao

[storm jungle]

Old codex

[earnest basin]

That’s funny asl

[deft sedge]

jokes

40k or WHFB?

[storm jungle]

40k

[wind heron]

How do they distribute weapons?

[storm jungle]

they just make them and pass them around

[deft sedge]

big piles

[wind heron]

i see

[deft sedge]

in 40k the meks make most of them afaik

but shoota and stabba are just big categories

they'll loot enemy weapons too

famously

[wind heron]

👀

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Ork

Just read this page, answers most of the questions

[deft sedge]

every kit is an ork kit

[wind heron]

I heard the inquisitions not very popular amongst the space marines?

[mossy mortar]

Orks start out as feral orks with just rocks and spears

[wind heron]

like if some of em get murdered and all

[deft sedge]

not really

[mossy mortar]

But eventually either loot metal or if necessary figure out metallurgy

[deft sedge]

especially space wolves

have a bone to pick w/ Inquisition

[mossy mortar]

But a lot also have old pacts woth inquisitors and will send forces if asked politely

[deft sedge]

also got grey knights and deathwatch

[wind heron]

I see so i guess depends on chapter

[deft sedge]

who work for the inquisition

and are mareens

[wind heron]

how bout inquisition and the guardsmen?

[mossy mortar]

And the inquisition also runs the Deathwatch which many marines send forces to and is considered a very prestigious honor to participate in it

Guardsmen like most people fearnthe inquisition for the most part

Some get temporarily assigned to an inquisitor by their superior

[wind heron]

Oh

I guess Guardsmen cant tell an Inquisitor to get lost

[mossy mortar]

The inquisition has almost no formal power everything is based on feudal networks of power and alliances

[fair current]

Absolutely not

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Inquisition

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[mossy mortar]

But on paper the inquisitors speak with the authority of the Emperor himself

[storm jungle]

READ.

[mossy mortar]

They're literally called the left hand of the emperor

[fair current]

Aka Malcador😉

Jk

[wind heron]

i guess Inquisitors also arent welcomed by the aliens either 😔

[storm jungle]

Considering every imperial is taught to be a massive racist yeah no

they can usually get aliens in their retinue but that will give you a sus-label

[wind heron]

sussy inquisitor 👀

and i guess a target for other Inquisitors with nothing better to do

[storm jungle]

more or less yeah

Every inquisitor is different from each other for homebrewing/lore reasons

[wind heron]

I see, any central body to arbitrate these things or is it jus kill em to declare em a heretic first?

[storm jungle]

Yes and Yes

[storm jungle]

the galaxy is big, you can kill some nobody inquisitor and make it look like an accident, if its a big-shot one though the Lord Inquisitors will probably hear of it and try to get to the bottom of it

[wind heron]

👀

[storm jungle]

its a lot of ifs

[earnest basin]

Is there any checks or balances to stop an inept inquisitor from exterminatusing innocent populations?

[storm jungle]

Just prove him wrong.

If not shoot him in the face and over-rule his order

[wind heron]

or kill em i guess?

[earnest basin]

fair enough LOL

[storm jungle]

As long as you got a good excuse you're kinda safe

[mossy mortar]

probably the biggest killer of inquisitors is other inquisitors

lol

[storm jungle]

^

[earnest basin]

thats so real

[storm jungle]

like the inquisitor conclave MIGHT court you and ask why you did this

just give a good reason and you'll be fine

something like how the guy was unhinged

[fair current]

And maybe imperial citizens cough cough exterminatus

[storm jungle]

and you did what was right

[wind heron]

can you just make one up?

[storm jungle]

I wouldnt say so

[mossy mortar]

and you'd say "he went insane and tried to blow up an important planet and also here's the powerful planetyary governor who's super pissed and is involved with all your business interests"

[storm jungle]

they could mind-probe you to see if you are lying or not

its a super risky game

[wind heron]

How do they exterminatus?

[mossy mortar]

they have different weapons

[storm jungle]

Lots of ships over orbit and planetary bombardment

[fair current]

Fire a missile at a planet

[earnest basin]

Virus bombs too

[fair current]

Donezo

[earnest basin]

those r fun

[mossy mortar]

Ancient superweapons like virus bombs (grey goo) and cyclonic torpedos (planet crackers)

[wind heron]

A missile?

[storm jungle]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/Exterminatus

https://tenor.com/view/boondocks-read-rap-fans-exorcism-uncle-ruckus-gif-23038600

[fair current]

*Torpedo is what I meant

[earnest basin]

thats a good read lol

[mossy mortar]

hey now i wouldn't inflict lexicanum on my worst enemy

[fair current]

How to tie them down for centuries

[earnest basin]

Deathwatch alone makes the inquisition worth diving into

Grey knights too obv

[wind heron]

what if the people on the planet are unhappy bout being exterminatused? Is only recourse just murder the inquisitor?

[mossy mortar]

here's my intro to the space marines

[earnest basin]

Not much to be mad about when your ash I reckon

[mossy mortar]

it's 40k nobody's happy

[wind heron]

☠️

[fair current]

Except da orks

Waagh!

[wind heron]

orks happy i guess

[earnest basin]

^

[wind heron]

Do the other factoons have anything they do to prevent getting exterminated?

[mossy mortar]

i mean that's the entire game

they're always at war

[wind heron]

oh?

[earnest basin]

It would be assumed most other factions have some sort of AA weaponry to prevent enemies from just rolling in and blowing them away

[mossy mortar]

also most of the time there's a reason they're fighting

they want something on the planet or it's too valuable to just blow up

[earnest basin]

unless ur the 'crons then u just hate everyone

[mossy mortar]

There's an introduction that's at teh start of every 40k book:

It is the 41st Millennium. For more than a hundred centuries The Emperor has sat immobile on the Golden Throne of Earth. He is the Master of Mankind by the will of the gods, and master of a million worlds by the might of his inexhaustible armies. He is a rotting carcass writhing invisibly with power from the Dark Age of Technology. He is the Carrion Lord of the Imperium for whom a thousand souls are sacrificed every day, so that he may never truly die.

Yet even in his deathless state, the Emperor continues his eternal vigilance. Mighty battlefleets cross the daemon-infested miasma of the Warp, the only route between distant stars, their way lit by the Astronomican, the psychic manifestation of the Emperor's will. Vast armies give battle in his name on uncounted worlds. Greatest amongst his soldiers are the Adeptus Astartes, the Space Marines, bio-engineered super-warriors. Their comrades in arms are legion: the Imperial Guard and countless planetary defence forces, the ever vigilant Inquisition and the tech-priests of the Adeptus Mechanicus to name only a few. But for all their multitudes, they are barely enough to hold off the ever-present threat from aliens, heretics, mutants - and worse.

To be a man in such times is to be one amongst untold billions. It is to live in the cruelest and most bloody regime imaginable. These are the tales of those times. Forget the power of technology and science, for so much has been forgotten, never to be re-learned. Forget the promise of progress and understanding, for in the grim dark future there is only war. There is no peace amongst the stars, only an eternity of carnage and slaughter, and the laughter of thirsting gods.

[wind heron]

and player characters are jus like lower than guardsmen scrubs?

[earnest basin]

basically yea rejected members of each of their particular trade

[dusk patrol]

Fatshark said there would be no Space Marines in this game, and yet we have this

When will the lies stop?

#truthfirst

[meager zinc]

Lawsuit when fellas?

[earnest basin]

lol

[scenic sun]

the important question: What chapter are they apart of?

[earnest basin]

gotta be an imperial fist

[meager zinc]

Stone Standers

[dusk patrol]

It is weird it looks like they're Mark X

[mossy mortar]

The Stone Giants

[meager zinc]

The No Shows

[dusk patrol]

If we ever get a reference to whatever the closest chapter is I guess its that one

[ionic smelt]

what are some lore friendly names to give to your operators in darktide? as funny as it is i dont want to name my ogryn "shrek" or my psyker "jimmy"

[mossy mortar]

The Brazen Claws

[mossy mortar]

names work on star wars rules

[earnest basin]

named my ogryn Grumkus

[dusk patrol]

Something simple

[mossy mortar]

Pick a normal name and spell it funny

[dusk patrol]

One syllable

[mossy mortar]

or an old roman name

[dusk patrol]

Thunk

Brokk

[wind heron]

i jus randomize button

[dusk patrol]

Ogg

[meager zinc]

Grugg

[earnest basin]

Krugg

[dusk patrol]

Grog

Bog

[meager zinc]

Julian

[mossy mortar]

The most famous ogryn in the galaxy is probably Nork Deddog

[wind heron]

whats he famous for?

[quaint sparrow]

hey so. the Imperium Edition gear has cosmetics that call them "Mortis Operative" battlegear. What IS a Mortis Operative?

[dusk patrol]

A lot of things

He's protected hundreds of VIPs and generals

Smartest Ogryn ever

He can count to four

And sign his name with an N

Killed an Ork Warboss with one headbutt

[wind heron]

Are operatives just cannon fodder?

[dusk patrol]

Yes, but

We're definitely like, Kirkland Cannon Fodder

[quaint sparrow]

Because I know of things like the Mortis Dreadnought, etc.

[wind heron]

👀

[dusk patrol]

The description in game is just that its a special group of edgelords within the Warband

[quaint sparrow]

And of Legio Mortis that like. Followed Horus?

[deft sedge]

dragged a chimera over a kilometre

while saving his sah

[dusk patrol]

Its not connected to those

[quaint sparrow]

ooh ok

[mossy mortar]

Legio Mortis is a titan legion

[dusk patrol]

its just a cool name for an edgelord squad in the warband

Who like to cosplay as Ghost from MW2

[mossy mortar]

Oh it's 40k like everythign is called mortis and has skulls all over it

[quaint sparrow]

look man I just like the drip because it looks like ghost from MW2----

EXACTLY

[dusk patrol]

It do be drippy

[wind heron]

warbands just the Inquisitors personal army?

[mossy mortar]

i thought ghost has a whole face mask

[dusk patrol]

Basically

[earnest basin]

i need the bullgryn drip without the fugly ass camo

[deft sedge]

pretty much

[mossy mortar]

though, again, it's 40k so wearing a skull mask is almost normal

[deft sedge]

they have carte blanche

[dusk patrol]

There's no such thing as a "standard" for how Inquisitors operate

[quaint sparrow]

https://tenor.com/view/call-of-duty-war-zome-modern-warfare-chad-michael-collins-alex-echo-gif-17204680

he's had a few variants

[dusk patrol]

This one seems to like having a big army

[quaint sparrow]

this one is a mask with a skull plate over it

[deft sedge]

healthy even. repels daemons

[mossy mortar]

the skull is the imperium's equivalent to a cross

so like they slather them on everything

[dusk patrol]

Some operate more as detectives with very small groups.

[wind heron]

i guess some operate mostly alone?

[dusk patrol]

Some yeah

[mossy mortar]

Some do, and som ehave massive organizations

[deft sedge]

most do. sometimes 2 in a group

eisenhorn + ravenor eg

[mossy mortar]

The ones who like to buidl empires build empires

[quaint sparrow]

I was wondering if it was like "spec ops" shit more than anything if that was the equivalent. But I am not familiar enough to know if there is spec-ops Guardsmen?

[dusk patrol]

Typically they'll have a small retinue at least

But not always

[deft sedge]

weird shit in that retinue, too

[mossy mortar]

There's tons of different spec ops guardmen

[dusk patrol]

Other times they have massive battlefleets and whole regiments they have in their direct control

[deft sedge]

tons of em

[quaint sparrow]

Its why I ask! I wanna learn more.

[deft sedge]

scions, kasrkin are the most famous probably

[dusk patrol]

Its just a thing made up for the game

[full bane]

Many different groups, some exist within a regiment or the guard proper. Tempestus Scions/Inquisitorial Stormtroopers are a notable and relatively common example.

[quaint sparrow]

Well, yeah. But its one of those things where it'd be fun to find context in the game as times go on, etc.

[deft sedge]

catchans too are probably spec ops yeah?

[quaint sparrow]

Idk. I like having a place for everything due to my OCDness.

[deft sedge]

i dunno I'm not military or anything

[dusk patrol]

That's basically all we know

[mossy mortar]

Marbo's basically a one man army lol

[dusk patrol]

They're spec ops tacticool skull boys

[full bane]

More specialised than special ops, but they've got a notable amount of high skill operatives.

[dusk patrol]

Probably do sneaky shit

[quaint sparrow]

I appreciate the info! I am working on drawing up a full character sheet/backstory stuff for my Veteran since the semester is coming to a close, so I wanted to like have some info I could build off of!

[deft sedge]

those roman auxilia dudes what fight with the Ultramarines too

[quaint sparrow]

It was either going into that, or it was going to be a former tank regiment member from Cadia.

[mossy mortar]

they just came out with the tanker costume

cosmetic

[deft sedge]

wow this looks better than James Workshop's paint job

[quaint sparrow]

Yep! I got an outfit using it, too.

[deft sedge]

jungle man

[quaint sparrow]

funky jungle men

[mossy mortar]

yeah at one poin tthey had their own army book

[deft sedge]

damn that takes me back

[mossy mortar]

3rd edition was peak 40k

[deft sedge]

miss it tbh

don't miss resin models

but i miss the time before primaris etc

[full bane]

I started at the tail end of 4th Ed and everything past that doesn't hold up to the absolute wealth of options, fluff, and granularity that 4th had on the table.

Though we're kind of in a renaissance of the hobby as a whole right now, things are better than they were in 6/7th Ed.

[scenic sun]

You guys play the table top?

i just paint minis and read funny books and play the games smh...

[full bane]

It's fun to move the painted minis on the board and roll dice.

[crisp heath]

yeah i use them as bowling pins

hit golf balls at an army of space marines

[twilit solstice]

hey yall i was wondering if anyone can direct me toward the language they use in the data interrogator fixing bit. Cant find it anywhere but im almost psoitive thats the imperial alphabet?

[mossy mortar]

I think it's just old alchemical symbols

[crisp heath]

No. We are high ranking elite guardsmen level, but our official ranking is reject

[storm jungle]

Lmao yeah literally half/all of these are in there

[deft sedge]

ye

30k mostly now

[noble hinge]

How servitors are made:
Heresy! Quickly, let us lobotomize him and turn him into a stereo system for all of eternity

[flat anvil]

Anyone know what this 717 actually stands for or is from

[ruby sparrow]

yeah but those are used for languge or signs

[ruby sparrow]

Its an I logo, so its likely 77

[dusk patrol]

I think it’s just their regiment or whatever

[flat anvil]

Thank 👍

[hoary oriole]

just had a match (as psyker) with a veteran that called me enforcer most of the time, did i misunderstand or is that something that psykers are called?

or is that a title for ppl in warband?

also he said something along the lines of "both our orders one day getting along in the lexicanum" what is he reffering to?

[rustic spruce]

What was the reason in warhammer fantasy they set up a whole conspiracy to deny the existence of the skaven

[storm jungle]

Mostly due to Imperials believing that if the larger Empire knew skaven existed the under empire would come out to entirely wipe them out.

This more or so just worsened the situation since the Empire is one of the few human civilisations in fantasy to deny the skaven's existence which always puts their soldiers and common-folk in a bad spot when they literally got no idea how to battle them

[unreal flume]

In Comparison to other races/regiments the tau have a clear advantage in winning the entire universe and destroying everyone else i dont know why this is even an argument, the tau can literally fist fight space marines

[prime slate]

This is so true. Tau have above average melee when compared to other races

[brittle slate]

I think if darktide gets popular enough a Tau mini sequel would be absolutely broken insane

Firewarrior, pathfinder, stealth suit and Kroot? C’mon

I’d quit my job and cave in the hall to my office

[slow rampart]

7 is also Nurgles blessed number no? 🤔

[slow rampart]

Enforcers are like the street police, what was your voice type the Savant? Because in their little quip both Female and Male Savant worked side by side with Enforcers to help them solve crime

[vocal drum]

when u follow chaos gods worship them do you get bonus's perks?

what can I gain from worshipping any chaos god

[rustic spruce]

At the end of the day you’ll always end up fucked

[slow rampart]

An execution from the Commissariat

[vocal drum]

looks like i get some powers tho, these nurgal worshippers look diff than normal humans

[hoary oriole]

yeah im pretty sure it was savant (wish there was a way to check)

[rustic spruce]

He looks like he’s having a great time

The nicest wish i think a chaos god has ever promised

Was tzeentch promising ahriman that if he did what he wanted, he’s straight up end his existence free of charge

Which for ahriman was a pretty square deal

[slow rampart]

If it was French it’s the female Savant, if it’s African it was the male Savant

[winter vessel]

Does Ahriman still have a body? Wasn’t all the Thousand Sons Astartes, they had their souls fused to their armor or something?

[rustic spruce]

The ones who died to the spell became rubrick marines

The most powerful of their sorcerers survived and got great power

While the weaker ones died and their souls became fused to their armor

[mossy mortar]

I think the deep voiced psyker used to be a cop

[rustic spruce]

Does magnus make use of the rubric marines?

Or does he hate the sight of them

[mossy mortar]

I bet it's the latter but it's never really been said

Just played the throneside level and enjoyed how all the poxwalkers are wearing like fancy clothes on that one

Or not poxwalkers but the ones who still wear clothes

Groaners?

The outfits match the maps it's pretty cool

[brave swallow]

Lore people. Question. Are the Darktide Psykers considered Sanctioned?

[mystic terrace]

I would assume so since they’re working under an Inquisitor

If they’re not officially sanctioned they probably at the minimum get a bit of slack

[brave swallow]

I'll throw it in my Psyker's username then

[short ermine]

So what exactly is a demon possessed? How do they differ from the grunts and fodder we’re shooting at if they’re all being influenced by Papa Nurgle?

[dusty shadow]

Think of them like water balloons.

Pox walkers have very little nurgle water in them. A possessed has so much nurgle water it might actually pop from the pressure.

[vocal drum]

i cant believe one psyker can destroy a world

and all that power is with one reject

too much power tbh

[lilac wave]

It's sort of hard to explain, and not all of the mooks we're fighting are exactly the same.
The big difference is that daemonhosts or daemon possesed are basically being worn as flesh suits by sapient demons. The sorts of daemons that posess people are usually fairly powerful too, though not usually as powerful a greater daemons.

The mooks we fight are just corrupted in various ways. The poxwalkers for example are infected by one Nurgles diseases, namely The Walking Rot, which kills you an reanimates your corpse. They aren't exactly possed by a daemon though, they're just hosts for a supernatural disease.

The other guys are just cultists and worshippers more or less. Maybe some of the bigger ones have received blessings or gifts from nurgle, which generally just make you tougher and harder to kill.

[lilac wave]

Only the strongest psykers have that sort of power, and psykers that strong a very rarely if ever actually sectioned because of how dangerous they are.
The sort of psyker capable of wrecking a whole planet would be called an Alpha class, and to put it in perspective, Tigerious the Chief Librarian of the Ultramarines who's often considered one of if not the strongest psyker in the imperium, has been called a Beta class.

[arctic talon]

Alpha classes are usually fed to the emperor

They’re almost never kept alive because they’re too unstable and too powerful

[mossy mortar]

All it takes is one weak psyker to become possessed and then you have a daemon running around causing trouble

Or even worse they are pretty powerful and create some sort of actual warp gate

[lilac wave]

Yeah there is that, any psyker can become a daemonhost and a lone daemonhost probably could burn down a world.

[mossy mortar]

Enslavers too which aren't daemons but are a weird warp alien that can turn a psyker into a horrible living warp gate and bring in mroe of themselves - they also have mind xontrol powers

[arctic talon]

Also all the other random ass warp entities

Unsanctioned psykers are a ticking time bomb

[mossy mortar]

No a daemonhost is a specific type of possessed created by dark sorcery which binds the daemon to the will of the sorcerer

[lilac wave]

Depends on the lore you're looking at, there are bound daemonhosts and unbound daemonhosts.

[mossy mortar]

Unbound daemonhost just means a daemonhost whoch has looser bindings

And is more powerful because it is more independent

And of course more capable of disobeying its creator

[arctic talon]

Daemons possessing someone doesn’t turn them into a daemon host

Daemon hosts are a specific thing

[mossy mortar]

Possession is the more common occurrence and it can happen in lots of ways

None of them good

They can hide out without the possessed knowing sometimes

At least at first...

Or go the full exorcist route (by which I mean the movie The Exorcist)

Or just completely take over the body

[vocal drum]

can u train to be a psyker or is it like a space marine at a child u learn

[mossy mortar]

No you're just born with psychic powers

Some people sre latent psykers and don't even know until later in life though

But usually you start showing your powers when you hit puberty

[vocal drum]

wow thats pretty neato

if i was a human in the 40k universe and wanted to join the tau empire would I be allowed or no also what would the humanity think of that

[mossy mortar]

The number of psykers being born is slowly increasing which threatens the stability of the imperium

[mossy mortar]

Any contact with aliens is an immediate death sentence

You must hate the alien

[vocal drum]

Wtf why

[mossy mortar]

Because death to aliens

[vocal drum]

wow

[mossy mortar]

Death to the alien, the mutant, and the heretic

Only death

[vocal drum]

can I join the necron race as a human would they let me?

[mossy mortar]

Kill them all

Necrons are death robots

[crimson dragon]

No

[vocal drum]

lame man

[mossy mortar]

So no

[crimson dragon]

They'll kill you

[normal lily]

The imperium is a little similar to the BOS in fallout. No mutants, No aliens, etc

pure humanity

[crimson dragon]

Aliens will only betray you

They only want to take advantage of you

[normal lily]

only trust in the emperor

[crimson dragon]

Yes

[mossy mortar]

Yes aliens are not only sn abomination but also being only trickery and death

This is humanity's galaxy by right

[crimson dragon]

They enslaved humanity during the 5,000 years that humanity was at its lowest

[normal lily]

The emperor wanted humanity to be the dominant species in the galaxy and we must obey his will

[mossy mortar]

Insane fanaticism is encouraged

Thinking is not

[normal lily]

exactly. This and starship troopers

[mossy mortar]

They sre related

More Starship Troopers the movie than the book

Though the book is also obviously an influence

[normal lily]

I could definitely see that

[mossy mortar]

Never forget the centuries of humiliation!

[hoary oriole]

who's Saint Messilina?

[mossy mortar]

I think that's an actual Catholic saint

[hoary oriole]

got bitched out by a veteran for mentioning her in one of the dialogues

[devout oxide]

Master of mankind by ADB is one of the best looks into the emps plans imo. The imperium is and always has been a authoritarian shithole, but they weren’t always just insanely cruel/evil for fun.

They are essentially humanity after 15 years of generational trauma where faced with awful decisions they respond in the worst way and double down, and end up backed into a corner where they “abhor the mutant” because essentially humanities psychic awakening en masse almost caused mass level extinction.

Xenos same thing. Ai/ advanced tech as well. Humanity went from what little we know was a much more enlightened possibly “federation” style interstellar empire to a bunch of complete psychopaths who have been trying to survive hell being real, and your neighbor having a mental breakdown results in a entire system being ripped into said hell lol.

The morale quandaries of the setting are fun specifically because the threats are real yet the imperium is still literally “the bloodiest and cruelest regime imaginable” and The imperium takes these issues and treats them like well….insane fanatics raised on a backwards belief system that centers around 15k years of generational trauma lol

[crisp heath]

The thing I love the most is what happens when an entire society of people regresses as technology progresses to a crazy degree

It’s such a cool concept

[devout oxide]

Really is super neat. I was redoing a system at work from a guy who just up and dissapeared, ran everything for like 15 years, its amazing how things just "fall apart" because of 1 person, the concept of it being a galaxy spanning event is perfect to build off

[crisp heath]

You can’t help but simultaneously be impressed and disgusted at the Imperium of Man

The ability to stomach eldritchian horrors but still be able to carry on fighting regardless is . . . badass

Like how tf can the average Joe do all that

Oh yeah, with lots of mental programming that starts young

[devout oxide]

Lol pretty much. The cadian books are a good example of how they condition them. Average dude holding his daughter and making her stare at the eye until her nose is bleeding talking about killing the servants of chaos lol

[crisp heath]

They forsake compassion entirely for raw hatred towards anything non-human

It’s human to not be tolerant of anything new to you, but it’s also human to be able to extend compassion. The fact that they’re unwilling to embrace the other half that makes them people got most of the fucking galaxy at their throats for the foreseeable ever

It’s funny

[devout oxide]

Yeah I love the stories in the imperium of people being like "it doesnt have to be like this" lol it never ends well for them adding to the tragedy.

[wind canyon]

A bit unrelated but Commander Oskar Viltry probably ||gets the best ending in 40k||, in Double Eagle where ||he's officially declared dead so nobody will come looking for him as a favor for his actions but actually goes AWOL to be with that girl that he likes in the book and lives happily ever after for all intents and purposes. || One of the few times that's happened from the books I've read.

[crisp heath]

A happy ending? Unimmersive.

[rustic spruce]

somewhere

on some random planet in 40k

somebody is having a good day

[devout oxide]

Double eagle is criminally under rated/unheard of book wise

I dont play aeronautica but I went out and bought imperial lightnings/tbolts/mauruders just to have because it was so good

[wind canyon]

He really did deserve it after The Guns of Tainth and the stuff that happened in Double Eagle to go along with it

[crimson dragon]

My theory for dkok is that most are clones of Colonel Jurten, so that he can atone for his sin of destroying the world of krieg

Even when he's long dead he is still fighting

[spark relic]

Messilina is the Tertium saint, she might even me the Moebian saint

At least I think this is correct

Might be getting her mixed up with someone else

My word ain't gospel unless I'm talking about Necrons

[hoary oriole]

How do saints work in 40k

Since faith is all about emperor

[quiet vessel]

Was a great book on a subject not often covered in 40k literature

[hoary oriole]

They basically super devout to emperor and church is all about him right

[spark relic]

They do something especially glorious in the God Emperors name and are reborn as demi gods basically

[quiet vessel]

Listened to it last year on audible while doing a seven hour drive

[celest dome]

Christianity is all about God/Jesus and there are still Saints

[spark relic]

Emperor=God

[hoary oriole]

I just mean how they become saints

Is there a central organization that dishes out those titles

Like the Vatican?

[spark relic]

They die in the Emperor's name

Then the Emperor resurrects them through Godly means and they become saints

[celest dome]

There are 2 kind of Saints:
Imperial Saint: People who have done deeds and are recongised as being hero of the IoM (In the same manner as Catholic Saint)

[hoary oriole]

I’m not Christian either so not sure got it worked irl either lol

[celest dome]

Living Saint: Those that have power

[spark relic]

Oh yeah, example: Warmaster Macharius=Imperial Saint Saint Celestine=Living Saint

Two recognisable ones

[celest dome]

Basically people who know the person send a missive to their local Church who then send it to higher graded people till it's in the Vatican, at that point they chose to bestow Saint Hood on the person

Usually it's post Mortem

[spark relic]

Imperial saints normally stay dead but Living Saints are resurrected to fight once more

[celest dome]

Multiple times more

Not just once

Saint Celestine wake up after death in the Warp on a planet full of her own corpses

[last lagoon]

I think he meant brought back to fight again once more

[spark relic]

Some only come back once and some (the more well known ones) are brought back multiple times

[full bane]

Depends, sometimes people do stuff and the Ecclesiarchy canonizes them as a saint, sometimes they're actually hopped up on the POWER OF THE EMPEROR and can fly or perform miracles and they're canonized as a saint. Sometimes they're some nobody who died but the Ecclesiarchy wants a convenient person to gather around and makes them a saint. Sometimes they're blessed by faith and fly or perform miracles but they're views aren't as strictly aligned so they get burned alive for heretical powers/being a witch.

[spark relic]

Yeas, thank you

[full bane]

And sometimes some normal dude does something impressive and the Ecclesiarchy declares it's a miracle and makes them a living saint even though they aren't actually channeling any miraculous force.

[last lagoon]

There should be more named space marine saints

Atm I think only Garro is one?

[spark relic]

Isn't Sigismund one?

[last lagoon]

I dont think he is declared a saint

[spark relic]

Might just be seen as one by the Black Templars

[last lagoon]

Yeah

[spark relic]

But not but the general Imperium

Makes sense

[quiet vessel]

https://wh40k.lexicanum.com/wiki/List_of_Imperial_Saints

Not that many actually named really

Not too surprising

Even less living saints

But yeah, Garro and Sigismund aren't

[crisp heath]

ten minute timer in main chat 😭

I arrive here to ask expert 40k questions!

[spark relic]

OH SHIT RIGHT, Achallor was declared a saint after saving a shrine world

Totally forgot

[quiet vessel]

Died like a boss

[spark relic]

Legendary

[quiet vessel]

Love me any book that has Custodes

[last lagoon]

Oh shit didnt know Calgar was named an Imperial Saint

I should read the warzone books

[quiet vessel]

Reading about them just destroying heretics

Always gets the blood up

[spark relic]

legend status he deserved it

[crisp heath]

So!

ive been writing in warhammer-

or well- failing at writing, in warhammer.

ive been having this.. nasty thing

where i cant seem to make my characters matter when marines come around

[quiet vessel]

Can't wait for the last Bequin novel

[celest dome]

Just give him/her a Melta

Then Marines don't matter

[crisp heath]

Her 👍 and yeah but the problem is

the marine and them are on the same side

the marine does everything she does.. just better because hes a marine?

[last lagoon]

I believe Sindermann goes on by saying Garro is the first declared matyr of the church but I forgot which book it was

[quiet vessel]

Like holy shit, ||the Yellow King could actually be Constantin Valdor!?!? Alive in the 42nd Millennium!? Damn.|| - Huge Penitent spoiler

[last lagoon]

Dont know if matyr would be the same as a saint

[quiet vessel]

Don't read if you have read the book lol

[crisp heath]

do you guys have any like

suggestions for this problem?

Lore-wise, anyway

[quiet vessel]

Don't involve marines?

[celest dome]

Give her skill that the present SM don't

[spark relic]

Make the marine a more distant character, make us care less by knowing less

[crisp heath]

Kinda nearly impossible on a battlefield.

[last lagoon]

Normally what normal humans have over marines is basically well

Their humanity

[celest dome]

Like make her able to use a vehicle or give her technical abilities

[spark relic]

The marine is around but not interesting, it might work

[last lagoon]

Marines are basically machines and mostly uncaring with some uncommon cases

[spark relic]

Make her a psyker of some kind

[crisp heath]

marines also have that.

[quiet vessel]

Lexicanum says the novel Garro. More specifically the epilogue

[celest dome]

Or give her faith/saint awakening since we were talking about that just before

[crisp heath]

like, i know they dont care

[spark relic]

This is a good one

[crisp heath]

the problem is like- the marine is working with them on the battlefield.

[celest dome]

They wouldn't be able to use normal vehicle

Too small

[crisp heath]

tbf

they are the size

of a normal vehicle

and can run nearly as fast as one.

[arctic talon]

A marine can fit in a chimera

[crisp heath]

that is weird

[arctic talon]

Also chimeras are faster then marines

[spark relic]

If they recline

[arctic talon]

Chimeras can fit an ogryn ffs

[celest dome]

Yes, but maybe not in the driver seat

[arctic talon]

A marine can fit in the back

[quiet vessel]

Marines have all their own vehicles

[arctic talon]

Ye

Well sorta

[quiet vessel]

Why would someone having one make them stand out

[arctic talon]

They share some stuff with sisters of battle

And custodes

[quiet vessel]

I didn't mean it's all unique to them

[arctic talon]

And sisters of silence

Fair

[quiet vessel]

But they're not going like, oh damn

You've got a truck!

[arctic talon]

Lol

[quiet vessel]

Wish I had one

As they fly around on some hi-tech hover tank lol

[arctic talon]

I’m sad the irl rhino GW made

Broke down

It’s really cool looking lol

[quiet vessel]

Pretty much just a done up M113

[crisp heath]

gasp

They own a Honda

[quiet vessel]

Which is where the idea came from anyways

[quiet vessel]

4Runners still running in 40k lol

[spark relic]

If you want inspiration I would recommend reading Spear of the Emperor since it follows a few human thralls who serve a marine but they are in the focus constantly, not the marine, he's mostly just an additional character

[quiet vessel]

8,000,000,000,000 km

and still ticking

[crisp heath]

i mean yeah but

[arctic talon]

The techno barbarians using a Toyota heliux with a heavy bolter in the back

[crisp heath]

in comparison to the marine, on the battlefield, they are lesser.

thats like

the hole im digging myself into

and i would just not have them.

[spark relic]

Give her an Engager shotgun

[quiet vessel]

Ah yes, the volkite technical

[crisp heath]

but thats like, 80% of GW lore.

[spark relic]

It is made to kill space marines

[quiet vessel]

Scourge of the wastes of Terra

[crisp heath]

you miss the problem

shes working with the marine.

[arctic talon]

You laugh but it’s claimed millions of lives

[spark relic]

Yeah but cool gun makes cool character

[arctic talon]

The volkite technical is not to be underestimated

Also ngl

[quiet vessel]

Oh I'm not laughing

At the volkite death ray

[arctic talon]

I’m sad the GSC didn’t get any technicals

[crisp heath]

I am

[spark relic]

Maybe give her augmetics that let her do stuff the marine can't

[crisp heath]

Nerds get hit by death beam of death

[crisp heath]

not possible

[quiet vessel]

Just wondering how Toyota re-branded themselves as the Mechanicum

[crisp heath]

marines are so diverse due to constant uhh

under-table activities by writers

it causes them to beable to do

basically anything

one marine went FTL

after grabbing a special spear.

[spark relic]

Ok but YOU are the writer so you can decide literally anything about this marine

[arctic talon]

Nvm they got a technical lmao

[quiet vessel]

Super kek

[crisp heath]

what even is the side convo first lol

[arctic talon]

I want to make a gsc army now

[crisp heath]

sure

[arctic talon]

They have technicals

[crisp heath]

but if i were to share this anywhere

[quiet vessel]

Damn stealers

[arctic talon]

Freedom fighter gsc

[crisp heath]

i get hit with "You are underselling marines, bad story"

like my last story

in which a marine died to a plasma pistol to the skull

[spark relic]

Well pardon my French but fuck them, mortals doing crazy stuff is way cooler than marines

[crisp heath]

hell it happened because the marine made a choice of moving

[spark relic]

Plasma pistol to the skull is lethal to 100% of everything

[crisp heath]

B R U H

[spark relic]

lmao

The bot is lethal fr

[arctic talon]

Breaking news Marine beaten to death with concrete block

[crisp heath]

so what i was saying-

the entire problem is- like.

I write myself into a hole mentally because brain no likey

me

stg sometimes i feel like the Darktide Seer Psyker

[spark relic]

Out of the box idea but what if you didn't include marines

[crisp heath]

thing is

its a battlefield

a notably one, that is

the planet is getting fucked 12 days to sunday

[celest dome]

There are plenty of battlefields without any Marines

[crisp heath]

Im talking whole on

Chaos Invasion AND Drukhari raiders.

[spark relic]

There are around a million loyal space marines in the entire galaxy, you can have a war without marines

[crisp heath]

you can

its just stupidly difficult at a certain scale

[spark relic]

The Guard usually deal with stuff like that daily

[crisp heath]

because too low and the war is just.. ww1 instead of space war.

[celest dome]

Still there are plenty of bf where there are no SM and the Guard face the thoughest of opponent

[crisp heath]

any examples besides krieg?

[spark relic]

Bring in some battle sisters or skitarii if you want the added sci-fi feel

[spark relic]

Cadians, Harakoni warhawks, Catachan jungle fighters, valhallan ice warriors

Just a few