40k-lore-chat

[edgy yoke]

Lokov

[stuck kindle]

Thats shit.

[crisp heath]

ohh

you're lokov

[edgy yoke]

Good shit. I know

[crisp heath]

hey maybe we have played

was I shit?

power sword and plasma gun?

[edgy yoke]

YEAH

[crisp heath]

YO

[edgy yoke]

EYY

[spring slate]

coincidence?

[crisp heath]

my guy is like full bald got some vet armor

uh

maybe it was me

[edgy yoke]

Yeah i think ive seen ya. I was the level30 with a helmet

[crisp heath]

wow

swagged up boye

[edgy yoke]

Yeah imma add ya. Lets play again some time

I can get on around 3 hours probably

[crisp heath]

sounds good. Just ping me i'll probably be up for it

[edgy yoke]

Aight awesome. Funny thing is that all of the freak things happen when warhammer is involved.

[spring slate]

both in universe and out of universe

all the crazy shit is warhammer

cousin asked me why its so crazy

[solemn void]

Hmm did i miss something or is the story for darktide that dan abnett helped with just a few very similar cutscenes ?

[spring slate]

"There are 40k reasons why its crazy. Literally"

[safe vigil]

probably not even those

just that he had a hand in crafting the whole narrative of the game

[crisp heath]

like george rr martin for elden ring

[safe vigil]

imperial rejects sent on suicicde missions, daemonhosts etc

[crisp heath]

i think narrative is a better word then story since this game ain't really story focused

one of the best BL writers as well

[solemn void]

hmm thats kind of disapointing

i hoped for a little bit more story or even more narrative

[safe vigil]

there is promised future content so there might be some kernels of story being released over the months with new maps/ missions

[solemn void]

like missions focused on unveiling the traitor and stuff

[safe vigil]

but dont expect anything engaging

darktide does boil down too

[crisp heath]

definitely live service/seasonal type stuff in the future

[safe vigil]

'go hear, do thing/kill thing whilst killing things on the way'

[crisp heath]

I wanna fight a single plague marine cuz how tf do you have nurgle zombies and no stinky boys

even just one boss

[solemn void]

well that would be fun

[crisp heath]

it'd be sick

Definitely would showcase the power level difference between baseline humans and transhumans which this game has done a decent job at already.

[sweet saffron]

hey does anyone know if Yarrick is actually dead or not?

[safe vigil]

a plague marine could be cool, but I also want to see space marines as far away from this as possible

[solemn void]

and feel better then those assasination targets with shields

i mean come on those things are rare

[edgy yoke]

Lemme list the crazy IRL shit that happened involving warhammer:
I bumped into some old friends i haven't seen for years at the local geek store playing warhammer out of complete chance.
This is not the first time ive found a random ive played with before for warhammer
I discovered my bisexuality the same day i discovered warhammer (My friends say that im slaanesh's chosen for this and i am now forced to play their side for the tabletop)
... I think theres more but my brain has compartmentalized that shit

[safe vigil]

if theres one thing baout 40k, it's that it's oversatured with space marines

[edgy yoke]

Cause crazy is badass

[solemn void]

as dead as ciaphas caine

[crisp heath]

I agree 100% but considering how they usually send a single marine to worlds in general, one chaos marine would probably work if done correctly

[spring slate]

it is badass

but lmao

[edgy yoke]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=On2fy_aFncI

[sweet saffron]

no crap, Space Marines sell like cold ice cream on a hot summer day

[spring slate]

first reason i told him warhammer is crazy?

Corpse Dust

[safe vigil]

anythning 'done correctly' is by definition good

[sweet saffron]

[crisp heath]

as long as they don't lean on the idea i'd be satisfied

[edgy yoke]

HE AINT DED!

[safe vigil]

that only makes sense if it's a deathguard plot but we have no indication that it is

it also devalues the 'darktide' by having space marines involved

just.... stop. I dont want to see anymore pauldrons

[crisp heath]

you are absolutely right

[sweet saffron]

would be cool if Atuma Prime was actually a Necron Tombworld, that would be a dumb but cool plot twist

[crisp heath]

let space marine 2 sate our appetite for astartes

[safe vigil]

mechanically it would just be like an assassination target, so I doubt it would change the gameplay that much

[solemn void]

necron tombworld is a bit overused dont you think ?

[sweet saffron]

not as much as you would think

[crisp heath]

"What if it was a Necron Tombworld being sought out by an Ork waaugh and the Tyranids were on their way too?????

[safe vigil]

it always feels like the necrons are just shackled to tomb worlds

[crisp heath]

its too easy to bloat with factions in 40k cuz there are so many lol

[safe vigil]

with the plot twist 'x planet was a tomb world all along' just kept in the writers back pocket

[sweet saffron]

would make sense for a Chaos cult to target a tomb world, they have ussually have large deposits of blackstone (warp modifying mcguffen shit)

[safe vigil]

dark mechanicus maybe

[sweet saffron]

actually now I think about it, a genestealer cult would make a great add on enemy faction

[solemn void]

genestealers are always nice

and then we find out that the traitor was a genestealer 😄

[safe vigil]

I'd like to see.... Eldar

super agile, mobile enemy combatants

[edgy yoke]

I just want orcs

Get some comic relief

[rustic spruce]

i just wanna get stuck in with da boyz

[solemn void]

everythign is better with orkz

[safe vigil]

Who are both ranged and melee, with warp spiders who can be teleporting mini-bosses

[edgy yoke]

ORKS ORKS ORKS

[safe vigil]

i think ork comedy is over used

I wanna see proper horrifying orks

[spring slate]

darktide be 50% downloaded

i am of the hype

[sweet saffron]

eldar would immediately reck us. would have a better chance against flayed ones

[sweet saffron]

Like in Helsreach?

[safe vigil]

ye

or bloody

Rynn's World

the first 40k book I read as a lad

[sweet saffron]

been meaning to read that

first 40k novel was The Infinite and The Divine. and it remains to this day my favorite 40k novel

[spring slate]

but yep

guess i should ask

how good are the K&M controls?

[sweet saffron]

Idk man I use controller

On PC

[safe vigil]

I think that.... with Helsreach and Rynns World. The narrattive weight of thee 'slow grinding defeart' is sorta lost with the 'sudden reinforcements'

[spring slate]

oof fair

im still hype tho

as long as its nothing like Gotham Knights controls on keyboard

[edgy yoke]

Well ya dont get one without the other. A huge green man with a makeshift cannon that shouldnt even work that is fueled by peer willpower chargin at ya is both hilarious and terrifying

[spring slate]

ill be happy

[crisp heath]

decent but I had to remap the weapon special because it conflicted with another key

now V is my special instead of mouseclick

[safe vigil]

i heard of a story which is all about sendig out a request for aid from the imperium, main haracter dies achieving this goal. and the last chapter is some adminisatrum clerk just logging the request away in a massive vault

[sweet saffron]

honestly we need more "Orks are actually horrifying enemies" novels, the Orks as the comedic relief has been over used

[spring slate]

i might just make my special attack button one of the buttons on the side of my mouse

[sweet saffron]

huh

[spring slate]

like mw2 i have a button for stab, boom, flash, and fear

[crisp heath]

The true terror of 40k is its scale, how nothing truly matters, even space marines dying gloriously are drops in the bucket. Necron sits down to read and an entire year passes, dudes nap for decades, time and what it means to be human are so diluted you wonder if its even worth saving

[safe vigil]

yeah I donn't be into the ork terrifying absurdity meme because no pov characcter wuld know that

[sweet saffron]

also we need more wacky adventure 40k novels like Infinite & Divine

[safe vigil]

What i want to read atm is like... full imperial stalinism

[sweet saffron]

I also love the fact that the average imperial citizen thinks orks are also memes cause they make no sense, until their world gets subjected to a WAAAGH

[safe vigil]

the totalitarian states of hive worlds

''reason is the enemy of faith''

[edgy yoke]

I dont think you can get one without the other. They are horrifying to fight, but fighting them usually comes with hilarious gimmicks as you get metaphoricly raped by them.

[spring slate]

but yeah what i said earlier

[safe vigil]

the 'average' imperial citizen thinks they are squat greenskinned xenos that justify imperal xenophobia by being so pathetic

[edgy yoke]

I mean having a man eating squiq launched out of a oversized potato gun is both hilarious and terrifying

[sweet saffron]

yeah, but the reason why I say this is becasue of said ork memes, I can never take orks too seriously when they're the main antagonist of a book

[crisp heath]

read up on doge vandire and the age of apostasy thats some real bleak shit

[spring slate]

bolter is my favorite weapon and i havent even played this game

[crisp heath]

too bad it has a teeny tiny clip to offset it's ridiculous power

[edgy yoke]

Cause orks never take anything seriously themselves. Thats kinda the point of them

[safe vigil]

I hear Warhammer Crme has what im interested in

im just tired of meme orks

[sweet saffron]

want a book on the plague of disbelief (the space wolves vs vandire ecclesiarchy not the black crusade one)

[edgy yoke]

They aint going away. Sorry. But make no mistake. Im sure if they get added to the game, they will be done justice

[sweet saffron]

yeah read the first Warhammer Crime novel, big fan of the everyday story but in the 40k setting

[urban spire]

what's even worse/better is having a man eating squig launched through the warp into your armour out of an oversized food processor

[edgy yoke]

Ok. thats blursed.

[safe vigil]

I dont think orks will be in darktide. the games whole aesthetic is imperials vs heretivd

[stuck kindle]

Have orks eat the humans

[safe vigil]

i could be wrong, but it would be rather jarring

[urban spire]

orks can invade anything

[spring slate]

but yeah i like the idea behind the bolter

[sweet saffron]

Also I know it will never happen but I want a romantic comedy 40k novel that takes place in a civilized world, no large scale war, just people being people living in the imperium

[safe vigil]

Reasonably you want a force the Moebians could ally with.

[spring slate]

75 calibur explosive drill bits

[urban spire]

if you want a grimdark take on orks, read Fifteen Hours

[spring slate]

because when you want chunky marinara. you get chunky marinara

[safe vigil]

Ah is this the story where 'imperial guard life expectancy is 15 hours' meme comes from, when really its for tthis onne particular warzone?

[urban spire]

yep

[safe vigil]

ill have a gander for the ebook later

[spring slate]

i dont even think its a meme lmao

[sweet saffron]

like have a book about a PDF trooper being conscripted into the IG and now has a few months to find a wife and get married cause he doesn't want to die non married

[urban spire]

it's also a depiction of orks from the perspective of a completely green (no pun intended) conscript

it is appropriately terrifying

[safe vigil]

yesh orks are killingmachines, brutes who want to destroy everything you've ever known and loved for fun

[urban spire]

also if you don't speak their language they don't sound so much like funny futbol bois

[safe vigil]

that... i want to say nihilism? that not the right word. is terrifying considering they just wash away resistance

[safe vigil]

theres a flesh tearers audiodrama where the Orks are literally just british football lads

it was actually kinda funny because they don't sound any different

[urban spire]

that's what orks are based on so it's pretty appropriate

[safe vigil]

from normal humans

I think I remember watching a youtbue video

... gaijingoomba who was gong over the 'real world inspirations for 40k races' and didn't bring that up

[urban spire]

the original warhammer fantasy races often satirize english stereotypes

[safe vigil]

was a complete hack video anyway

[urban spire]

the dwarfs for example are northerners who don't want to let go of grudges

[safe vigil]

we don't talk about the pygms ofcourse

[urban spire]

lots of dodgy stuff in warhammers past

[safe vigil]

there were dodgy things that I liked
The orks kinda being like the zulus?

savage orks

[urban spire]

that one's real bad

[safe vigil]

yeah basiaclly saying black = ork
but I just like seeing Zulu's anywhere so I quiet liked it

a very interesting culture and history etc etc

Oh I guess they did it again in 40k

with the battle of... brokentooth rift?

praetorians vs feral orks

[mossy mortar]

no, you trick the mind not the heart

[safe vigil]

pretty sure the praetorians only exist for that 'Zulu' reference

[edgy yoke]

Exactly

[safe vigil]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/warhammer40k/images/2/26/Praetorian_xvi_s_last_stand_by_diegogisbertllorens.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20150826090147

[edgy yoke]

And if you never use your mind. Just your heart....

[mossy mortar]

exactly

ignorance is strength

a small mind is a tidy mind

Asking questions is how you get heresy

[edgy yoke]

What i mean is the zealot is so used to not using their brain, that they dont know when they're being tricked

[mossy mortar]

They can't be tricked

Because faith overcomes the vanity of thinking

The Emperor himself intercedes

[urban spire]

faith in what?

[mossy mortar]

The emperor protects fools, drunks, and little children

Faith in the Emperor

what else

[urban spire]

the emperor neglects

[mossy mortar]

Someoe get a torch

we got a heretic here

[urban spire]

ok so zealots talk to the emperor?

[edgy yoke]

Zealots are literally trained to not question ANYTHING. As long as they are convinced by a force thats pretending to be following the emperors will.
heretic "Kill your CO"
zealot "Why?"
heretic "Uhh... Cause he's a heretic and the emperor wills it?"
zealot "Ok... FOR THE EMPORER! unwittingly commits a war crime

[mossy mortar]

No

zealots have no CO

only the emperor

[edgy yoke]

Yes they do now.

[mossy mortar]

Ridiculous

[urban spire]

there's plenty of heretic zealots

[mossy mortar]

Also it's 40k the only war crime is not going to war

[urban spire]

they fall to khorne quite often

[mossy mortar]

false

name one

[edgy yoke]

@mossy mortar You server the inquisition under multiple COs my guy

[urban spire]

you expect me to remember the names of heretics?

[mossy mortar]

No

Very good

finally some sense

No need to remember names, just burn and purge

[spring slate]

why does this make sense

[urban spire]

blood for the emperor, skulls for the golden throne

[edgy yoke]

True but you get my point

[mossy mortar]

Only the insane may prosper

[edgy yoke]

The insane are also the easiest to turn. Remember

[safe vigil]

zealots are really just self serving, delusional
you point them at a heretic and set them loss, because having to take respnosibility for them ends badly

[mossy mortar]

No, not when filled with the spirit of the emperor

[safe vigil]

its thr reason the Red Redemptionists arent a part of the Church

[mossy mortar]

He guides the heart when filled with faith

[mossy mortar]

because they know no master

only the Emperor

[safe vigil]

they are too blood thirsty, too zealous that they threaten the stability of the empire

yeah self-serving in that they serve their perception of the emperor

[mossy mortar]

There is nothing else!

[edgy yoke]

Their faith makes them easy to be tricked. As long as they are convinced they are doing shit in the name of the emperor, they will do it. Even if they are actually serving chaos.

[mossy mortar]

All mankind knows the Emperor's will. But many are weak and do not follow it

That is their sin

[fervent rose]

Yeah if a zealot suspects a hab block of heresy they’ll get a little team together and purge it, Wich can cause problems there good fighters though

[mossy mortar]

No, the will of the emperor conquers all. Mankind knows inherently the path of righteousness

[edgy yoke]

Oh so then explain why heretics exist.

[mossy mortar]

You know by intuition and faith the difference between truth and falsity

[mossy mortar]

the sins of pride and reason

[safe vigil]

I actually can think of a time a zealot has been full on tricked
useful idiots sure

[mossy mortar]

They become beholden to the sin of thinking they can intellectually understand the whole of the Emperor's grand plan

but this is pride

[edgy yoke]

But then explain why the emperor was able to accomplish what he did.

[safe vigil]

its more likely that they take the steps of khornate damnation through rampant bloodlusts

[mossy mortar]

The Emperor is the Emperor

[safe vigil]

'skulls for the golden throne'

[mossy mortar]

We can only follow His will

He guides us

All men have the divine spark and can commune with his will

[safe vigil]

the church preaches 'follow orders' for stability reasons

[mossy mortar]

The key is to do all for Him

[urban spire]

this is heresy

[mossy mortar]

And not for any other cause

[urban spire]

literally

[mossy mortar]

The Emperor is the Master of Mankind

[safe vigil]

please stop this cringe

[mossy mortar]

All humanity is part of his divine plan

[edgy yoke]

Theres no way to know if you're being guided the right direction if you dont take responsibility for yaself. If you fashion yourself as a simple tool, then there's nothing stopping you from being used by the enemy

[mossy mortar]

Yes you can know by faith

[edgy yoke]

Faith can be twisted. Hense why heretics worship the chaos gods to begin with

[mossy mortar]

You must judge for yourself based on faith and your inherent ability to see truth and goodness

[urban spire]

anyway if you just want blood and skulls you should go hang out with khorne, he's much cooler about it and you don't need to make up excuses anymore

[tiny igloo]

If the Emperor is a god, what is the name of the Emperor? turning point chaos

[hoary dirge]

Hello. I am curious about this rule: "4. Discussion of the NSFW fringes of older GW 40K material should be avoided in gory detail. References are fine, but save the details for another server. ". What do they refer to? Of course without details, in order not to break thisvery same rule, but i wonder what is considered "NSFW" in the 40k universe. I am perplexed and also quite curious.

[edgy yoke]

Now you're contradicting yoself

[mossy mortar]

How

[fervent rose]

Ships in 40k, are most of the crew techpriests or are there only a few and there’s normal crew for other tasks and the mechanicus just keep things in order?

[safe vigil]

its probably referncing the Daemonculba thing

[urban spire]

awful stuff, don't seek it out, it's not fun NSFW

[mossy mortar]

Bad writing too

[edgy yoke]

You're talking about judging shit based on truth when you were just talking about faith

[mossy mortar]

Just a bad book series in general

[edgy yoke]

They aint always the same

[tiny igloo]

Plenty of human crew with gunners etc, just depends what type of ship it is

[mossy mortar]

God is truth, god is goodness

[safe vigil]

crew is human slaves, crewmen with tech priests oversseeing

[mossy mortar]

Faith is how we find the truth

[fervent rose]

Grimdark

I like it

[edgy yoke]

If thats the case then why are there chaos gods?

[mossy mortar]

They're false gods

[spring slate]

i was pinged?

[safe vigil]

you need to remember these ships hace crews that go into 10k-100k

[hoary dirge]

could tell a tiny bit? As said, no details, i don't want to break the rule. Is there rape or exaggerated gore? is that it?

[mossy mortar]

Warp entities who consider themselves god

[mossy mortar]

just look up graham mcneill's ultramarines series

[urban spire]

just google it if you really want to know, no need to toe the line about it in here

[mossy mortar]

it's a pretty lalme series anyway

[fervent rose]

Right cause some of them are unfathomably massive, I wonder if the crew was also like this during the Horus heresy or great crusade

[mossy mortar]

Ultramarines just come off as dumb teenagers

[safe vigil]

the Adepteus Ridiclous podcast has an episode on it.

[mossy mortar]

nobody knows what it was like back then

[fervent rose]

Cause in some of the books they seem just like normal people

[urban spire]

Guilliman does

[safe vigil]

its just kinda uber gross and edgey from the 90s

[mossy mortar]

It's sort of whatever works best for the story

[fervent rose]

Ah

[edgy yoke]

I dont really get myself too involved in the gritty details of the books and lore. Cause you have lots of different writers all with conflicting stories.

[mossy mortar]

Most Imperial Navy is shown to be a sort of cross between Napoleonic Britsh navy and modern military

[tiny igloo]

Gentlemen

What is the most underrated primarch

[fervent rose]

I guess dialogue would be boring on a ship if it was cold techpriests and servitors

[tiny igloo]

Time to cause a war

[urban spire]

probably the lost ones, quite literally

[mossy mortar]

Ships have tons and tons of people is definitely universal in the fluff

And there's lots of manual laborers

[tiny igloo]

Excluding those

[safe vigil]

I swear if this becomes another space marine wank session im gunna scream

[hoary dirge]

Thanks for the answers to whoever did answer XD

[fervent rose]

I feel like most of the primarchs get there moment in the sun

[mossy mortar]

With like press gangs and work gangs hauling on giant ropes and shit

[tiny igloo]

Most

[safe vigil]

yeah the navy stuff is intersting

[mossy mortar]

And if there's a boarding action then the arms lockers open and the crew grab shotguns and cutlasses and fight

[safe vigil]

inconstistent but interesting

[tiny igloo]

Battlefleet gothuc gant

[urban spire]

space marines are probably the least interesting aspect of 40k

[safe vigil]

i think in a recent gaunt ghost book

[mossy mortar]

IT makes sense in a way... if you need a bunch of extra hands on board to fight boarders or replace losses

[barren tapir]

Howdy, just returned from dinner, what are we discussing in such hallowed channel?

[fervent rose]

Yeah the naval side of 40k is so interesting cause it feels really developed and plausible

[mossy mortar]

Might as well put them to work the rest of the time to keep them quiet

[safe vigil]

its decribed how void combat takes hours, days and weeks

[mossy mortar]

instead of just using automation for everything

[safe vigil]

a torpedo could be incoming to cripple your ship and you just have to wait a week for it to impact

[fervent rose]

That’s so cool

[mossy mortar]

I'm convinced they have work gangs hauling shells and stuff just to keep them busy and tired

[fervent rose]

Yeah I don’t know if it’s true but I heard the guns are manually loaded

But the shells must be massive

[mossy mortar]

Yes there's a big diagram in the book and everything

[urban spire]

well that's not quite right, imperial ships are pretty maneuverable for their size

especially navy ships

[barren tapir]

https://tenor.com/view/for-a-brick-he-flew-pretty-good-halo2-halo2anniversary-maxenmajs-gif-21038830

[safe vigil]

Personally i prefer the abnet thing

just extending the time scale of everything

[mossy mortar]

There s little dudes with ropes down there just becasue lol

[fervent rose]

Heheh

[safe vigil]

the hydraulics on the lifter dont work so you gotta do it with ropes

[fervent rose]

Guess the men of iron was that bad huh?

[mossy mortar]

Why should we have robots doing the work when we have men standing idle??

cracks whip

[safe vigil]

then ofcourse, every ship has a ever growing population of mutants in their bilges

[fervent rose]

That’s true, they have people to spare

[safe vigil]

teams have to be sent into the bilges to hunt them down

[fervent rose]

The ships are that big?

[urban spire]

kilometers long

[mossy mortar]

YEah they go a little nuts with the nubmers but the ships are ridiculously big

[safe vigil]

each ship is like a flyiong city

[stuck kindle]

The most 40k weapon ever

[safe vigil]

with its own customs, myths

[stuck kindle]

Big gun. Lots of death. Lots of pointless manual labour

[safe vigil]

officers are a hereditary ruling class

[crisp heath]

Horus when he was a good guy

we dont get enough time with him

[fervent rose]

The scale of 40k is so massive, don’t they retcon titan height at one point?

[mossy mortar]

COnstanntly, honestly

[fervent rose]

Like I remember hearing some were so big they can be seen from orbit

[urban spire]

there's a titan scale chart in the pins

[safe vigil]

I hear titans are accidently really small

[mossy mortar]

scale is tricky honestly

[stuck kindle]

It's more they expanded the lore

[mossy mortar]

because technically speaking even the minis are horribly disproportionate if they're actually people

[fervent rose]

Yeah most of the minis are old and are out of date scale wise

[mossy mortar]

They have to be

the heads are giant etc to make them more recognizable and easier to paint

[safe vigil]

i recall in the aforementioned flesh tearers book

a titan has to walk into a acid ocean

the shear amount of liquid mass it displaces sends a tsnami of acid out onto the shore

which melts a guard reigment doing battle with orks

the 2d war for armeggedon was pretty metal

[crisp heath]

I tried painting a space marine and got a headache from how tiny the models are

being a Custodes player I think I got spoiled because they have much larger models

theyre tall bananas

[urban spire]

custodes have their own army in the tabletop?

[safe vigil]

Oh yeah

[urban spire]

huh, wild

[safe vigil]

and kill team (which is really fun btw)

they're paired with the Silent Sisters

[crimson dragon]

I wonder if custodes are space marines from the emperors gene or they are a mini primarch by their own right. Hmm

Same goes for grey knights

Since the emperor probably doesnt have a geneseed

Or he might have implanted it

[safe vigil]

I always figured it was just arcane sciences

One and done for each cystodes

Whilst marine geneseed is like building robots to make more robots

Diluted but faster

I liked the idea thst the custodes are paper tigers

Which i think was hinted at in one hh book

[celest dome]

Closer to Primarch than SM

[safe vigil]

Think garro beats one in a dual

[crimson dragon]

Geneseed apparently is an organ thats transplanted into your body to make you have a larger build, grow extra organs

[celest dome]

As they are custom crafted

[crimson dragon]

Basically rewrite your dna

To have healing capabilities

Or something

Thats what I understood

[safe vigil]

Yeah but geneseed produces more geneseed is my point

Geneseed is like a genetic template taken from a primarch or something

[tiny igloo]

I wish they did some proper great crusade books etc

[safe vigil]

Hence marines calling a primarch fathet

Ypu basically get the GC in the HH books

[tiny igloo]

the ending

[safe vigil]

Narratively speaking not much happens otherwise

[tiny igloo]

I would of loved to see legions fighting without their primarchs etc

[safe vigil]

Yeah you don't see much of that. But the GC is really just the prelude to the HH

[celest dome]

Is there a book about Lord Solar Macharius, can't remember

[safe vigil]

There must be

[mossy mortar]

There's something called a progenoid gland that contains the cell material to grow all the additional organs that make a space marine

It grows inside marines until it gets harvested

[safe vigil]

Hes just kinda there in the lore otherwise

[mossy mortar]

When marines die they try to retreieve the progenoids so that more marines can be created from them

[rustic spruce]

so is a mechanicus becoming a robot a gradual process or do they go full speed ahead into a robot body whenever the option presents itself

[mossy mortar]

the system is primarily artificial organs that interact with normal human physiology

combined with some level of gene therapy

[mossy mortar]

I think as they go up in rank they get access to more implants and customize their bodies more

Each priest's body is like their own custom creation

And their interests and personality comes out in them

The mechanicus also has their own diplomatic corps that has all subtle modification to interact with non-mechanicum people without creeping them out

[last lagoon]

Yeah, Iirc Cain meets a techpriest girl twice. Once she's still human and the second time she has already got some bionics

[arctic talon]

Over time

[safe vigil]

From what i know its vague/not described. My headcanon was that the geneseed grows in the neck and sternum. Every 50-100 years you can harvest one to get the material for another marine

[mossy mortar]

Yeah i think that part is spelled out pretty clearly

[brittle slate]

that's just lore

[mossy mortar]

And the names of all the organs and stuff

It's a popular topic so a lot of the rulebooks have bits on it

It's actually pretty interesting too, they're actually working on artificial organs now

[safe vigil]

I take full ownership of my head canon and will sue gw for infringing on my ip

[mossy mortar]

Like a bioengineered pancreas for diabetics

The location of progenoids is in several books

i think it's neck and chest

[safe vigil]

I refer to my previous post

I like that power armor is made out if stone

Well. Ceramite. A ceramic material. Which i understand to be stone

[mossy mortar]

I like that unpainted power armor is supposed to be the same color as the unpainted plastic model parts

[safe vigil]

Yeah that is nice

By that logic unpigmented human skin is also grey

[mossy mortar]

only on that one weird gray planet

[spring slate]

97%

[mossy mortar]

it was in one of the RPGs

[spring slate]

so close

[safe vigil]

Rings a vague bell

[rustic spruce]

it's a shame white scars were an unpopular tabletop army due to how much a pain in the ass it was to paint them

[safe vigil]

I wonder if imperial beastmen will ever make a return

[mossy mortar]

where dyes and hallucinogens are the most popular luxury goods

[safe vigil]

Thought the Gor Half Horn model was pretty sicj

[mossy mortar]

The veteran actually gets some lines where he says he served with beastmen once

"Gave me the creeps"

[safe vigil]

Ye

[mossy mortar]

I think it's uhh loose cannon

[safe vigil]

I saw what you did

[mossy mortar]

brain fart

[safe vigil]

Tsk tsk

Also Gor Half Horn is an aweful nane

Well. Tge Gor part is

Well... mainly its because if WHF beastmen being called Gors

[mossy mortar]

gors and ungors

Maybe it was like
"What are you?"
"ME GOR"
"He says his name is Gor"

[safe vigil]

You know considering the shear amount of voice lines needed to he recorded. I honestly doubt a fifth character is likely

Shoukd honestly but yhd game down for a year or two for some of the other stuff they said to be implemented

Archtypes for one

[storm jungle]

Its likely but like

they'll prob cut down the VA's to just one personality, so 2 VAs for one class

otherwise having 3 Female/3 Male VAs for a new class would be just way too much work

[safe vigil]

Primarily im thinking with the other voices

New lines to connect and answer

Like say they added a hive ganger

[mossy mortar]

a lot of the lines are already combinable

[safe vigil]

Theyd atleast need voices to be like "take thjs ammo ganger"

[mossy mortar]

like you can see there's a prompt and a response, but tehre's multiple responses for each character to each prompt

like "Boy I hate hive cities"

and then it's clear each character has a response related to hive cities

that can be chosen to match that one

[safe vigil]

I miss my boy Bardin

Where are we going

Over the mountain

[mossy mortar]

Honestly I wish there was more singing

Maybe like a rhythm game to keep the song goin

[crimson dragon]

Probably primarch produces many geneseeds

Like they shit geneseeds daily

[mossy mortar]

no

[scenic sun]

Geneseed is genetic material

[crimson dragon]

Its a gland

[mossy mortar]

the gene seed was created after they lost the primarchs

[scenic sun]

And in deathwing we used to call the room with the geneseed the "cum freezer"

Make that what you will

[mossy mortar]

no the progenoid gland holds the geneseed

[safe vigil]

Scrapping the gunk off the primarch test tubes

[crimson dragon]

I see

[safe vigil]

Space marines are very homo erotic

[crimson dragon]

They're similar to cum

Or your testicles

[scenic sun]

Literally

[crimson dragon]

When they were a baby at that

[safe vigil]

Let me plant my seed in you adolescent boy so you become a big burly space sailor with huge guns

[crimson dragon]

I wonder what would have happened if a daemonculaba had worked

Would we have gotten a daemonhost spacemarine baby i wonder

[scenic sun]

Space marine try not to be homoerotic challenge

[safe vigil]

Daemonculuba did work?

[scenic sun]

Daemonculaba worked, it only stopped cause an ultramarine duo stopped it

Lol

[crimson dragon]

What did the product look like

[last lagoon]

Its uhh whats his name

[scenic sun]

Like a space marine

[safe vigil]

Skinless for one thing

[scenic sun]

^

Most were skinless space marines, some were rejects, mutation ridden abominations that were thrown down a pit

[safe vigil]

Whicg must be super uncomfortable

[crimson dragon]

Oof

I feel bad for the mothers

[safe vigil]

Or not actually because theres no skin nerves to be agitated

[scenic sun]

Nothing about these things is

[crimson dragon]

Emperor should have just made it so space marines can have fun time to reproduce with women to make space marines

I wonder whatever happened to Erda

[mossy mortar]

No

gross

Space MArines is no girls allowed zone

no cooties

[crimson dragon]

Wait nvm

Erda is dead

[cyan oxide]

do space marines even have the hardware required to reproduce normally

[mossy mortar]

No

[crimson dragon]

Primarch's mommies

[mossy mortar]

they are by canon sterile

and have no sex drive

[cyan oxide]

so would that mean they have permanent shrinkage

[crimson dragon]

I mean you'd probably lose your rod if run out of room for your organd

[last lagoon]

The newborn was a succesful creation of the daemonculaba right?

[crimson dragon]

The testicles probably got crushed

[mossy mortar]

no the hormonal function is probably intact and enhanced

[arctic talon]

The emperor doesn’t want his transhuman supersoldiers reproducing

Is a big thing

[mossy mortar]

Yes they're not a replacement for humanity

They're assistants

[crimson dragon]

Space marines were still former humans

[cyan oxide]

i think it would be a strategic move to remove the balls as they are a weak point in the male biology

[crimson dragon]

Anyone here know what the cosmetics currently available to buy for veteran

[mossy mortar]

Also the age of marine recruits is the same as the game's primary customer base

[cyan oxide]

the game as in darktide or the table top

[mossy mortar]

Tabletop

Back in the day too

I assume the average player age is much hogher than it was back in the 90s

[scenic sun]

Yeah

I'm surprised they made this dark asf game for kids

Bruh

[cyan oxide]

also im just realizing ive been exposed to Warhammer longer than i thought

[mossy mortar]

I mean it's tweens

[brittle slate]

Wait til you start finding out what a shite company owns this amazing IP lol

[cyan oxide]

there was this like table top game it was orks versus human knights and you had to break a castle gate with the troops and you can shoot disk at the castle or the troops

[mossy mortar]

In between reading Judge Dredd and Nemesis the Warlock

[cyan oxide]

pretty sure i remember it said Warhammer on it

[mossy mortar]

And your older brother's heavy metal album covers

you too can be one of the most badass 12 year olds in the galaxy and become a super soldier that just kicks ass forever

[scenic sun]

lol

[cyan oxide]

joins the lamenters

[mossy mortar]

And never have to deal with girls or have your mom tell you what to do

Jsut bro out and shoot weird goblin guys in the face with guns

[cyan oxide]

i wonder how do grey knights get initiates

like where do they recruit from

[mossy mortar]

psykers

selected from the black ships

[cyan oxide]

black ships?

[mossy mortar]

At least according to ADB's book

[full bane]

Psykers, so the Black Ships and any other Psykers that get to the Assignment.

[mossy mortar]

They have to be young tho

[full bane]

It's bound to be a small pool.

[cyan oxide]

the inquisition runs the black ships right?

[mossy mortar]

yes

[brittle slate]

Battle Masters

[brittle slate]

No.

[brittle slate]

The Adeptus Telepathica does and it has its own division called the League of Blackships

[cyan oxide]

thats not it

[magic iron]

This intro bit of lore in Dark Tide goes unnecessarily hard. My first 40k game besides Vermintide

[cyan oxide]

vermintide is not 40k

[magic iron]

I thought it was in the universe

But I guess that's Warhammer universe not 40k?

[brittle slate]

Ur sure?

[brittle slate]

Warhammer is different from 40k with some IP crossover like daemons

[cyan oxide]

warhammer fantasy and warhammer 40k ar 2 seprate universes made by the same company

[brittle slate]

40k was a spin-off of fantasy

And now it’s it’s own thing for the last 30+ years

[cyan oxide]

they share the same chaos characters however

[cyan oxide]

yes it looks nothing like i remember it at all

[magic iron]

Ah gotcha

Well this goes insanely hard. The whole purge the heretic/cleanse the mutant thing going on gets me so hyped

[brittle slate]

Then the only one I can thing of is hero quest

[brittle slate]

This game totally captures 40k

[ruby sparrow]

theres more chaos runes

[brittle slate]

All the best 40k IP stuff these days is out of GW hands and is insanely awesome. Fat shark for the win

[fast flax]

Hey ! I’m wondering if this color scheme is based on a chapter or if it’s created by someone, can someone help me please ? 😅

[storm jungle]

Nope, custom

[ruby sparrow]

witchfinder? could you help me a bit?

[fast flax]

Oh okay thanks!

[storm jungle]

[storm jungle]

Is it runes again

[ruby sparrow]

yes

[storm jungle]

no

[glass summit]

Lmao

[heavy talon]

So, if the Emperor had succeeded in opening up the Webway to humanity, how fucked would Commoragh have been?

[cyan oxide]

probably very

actually i would say did he succeed before the horus heresy started?

[heavy talon]

Let's say yes

[cyan oxide]

then very and the horus heresy would not be as bad because faster travel and communications

also the webway project is what made the emperor stay at earth and leave the crusade to the primarchs right? if he succeded he would have been around to slap horus before he went uber bad

[rare sky]

i know more about fantasy than 40k, but is it me or the lore its kinda darker-grimer than fantasy

and i know fantasy got some pretty dark moment but each time ive read about 40k its always dark as hell..?

[brittle slate]

I would imagine they’d still be fighting the war

Commoragh would have United early and would have access to really insane weaponry that has since been lost

[arctic talon]

Fantasy is about fighting for survival

[dusk patrol]

Imo yes, but its also a line for authors to tread

[heavy talon]

Oh, absolutely. Fantasy had like, some small measure of hope, and characters/factions you could unironically root for despite their flaws

40k... doesn't

[arctic talon]

40k is about the inevitable downfall of humanity

And raging against the dying light

[heavy talon]

Everyone, almost every individual in 40k, is a bastard

[arctic talon]

Humanity is explicitly doomed in 40k

[dusk patrol]

I think a lot of 40k books can easily fall too much into just

[arctic talon]

Grimderp

[dusk patrol]

Too much grimdark

Yeah

Like its just boring

[heavy talon]

Which is why I feel 40k is best treated as a comedy, lol

[arctic talon]

It’s dark comedy

[heavy talon]

Really, the only 40k faction you can kinda root for, at least IMO, is the Tyranids. At least they're just a bunch of hungry animals at the end of the day.

[arctic talon]

They still are malicious at times but yeah

They’re intelligent, hungry animals

[kind parrot]

I mean a W40K based of LOTR(orcs), Starship Troopers, what do we expect ? it's not going to be the next Altered Carbon or Neuromancer

[heavy talon]

Also maybe the Farsight Enclaves but they are so tiny they're a non-factor, lol

[astral pecan]

100%

[arctic talon]

They’re a foil to the rest of the factions lol

Genuinely good

[rare sky]

arent they like one mind tho?

[arctic talon]

The individual nids are animalistic

[heavy talon]

Hot take, but I feel like the Tau would have been better if they'd just... kept them like they were on release. I feel like that was quite grimdark on it's own, a tiny race of newcomers trying to spread good to the galaxy... yet that galaxy was fucking 40k

[arctic talon]

The hive mind is a hive mind

[heavy talon]

Just hopelessly naive fools

[arctic talon]

I mean the Tau are still

Pretty much the same from launch

[heavy talon]

Yeah but then they brought in the eugenics and mind control and shit

[arctic talon]

The tau literally always had eugenics

With the caste system

[rare sky]

is there an end times? like how does the story end?

[arctic talon]

Mind control isn’t even a thing

It’s just tons of propaganda

[kind parrot]

No

[heavy talon]

I thought the Ethereals mind controlled people?

[arctic talon]

40k doesn’t and probsbly will never have a endtimes

[arctic talon]

No

[storm jungle]

When 40k stops making money and GW nukes the setting

[arctic talon]

They don’t

[kind parrot]

40k makes more money then fantasy AOS etc

but they did not know Total War Wahammer would make so much $$$$

[rare sky]

AOS seems like shit tbf

[kind parrot]

and it's a bit shame they killed fantasy

[heavy talon]

Fantasy got absolutely fucked and it saddens me greatly. It was my favorite of the three.

[rare sky]

got into warhammer cause of total war...

[heavy talon]

40k is too grimdark to care about and AoS is just too goddamn silly

[kind parrot]

got into warhammer from Vermintide 2 and then TW Warhammer

[rare sky]

now own several book and its now my favorite universe so yeah kinda sad they stop making stuff about it

[kind parrot]

but w40k Dawn of War

[rare sky]

ive play VT2 but didnt really knew what WH was at that time

[arctic talon]

AoS isn’t really silly tho?

[kind parrot]

to me sometimes Warhammer Fantasy has a flashed out storyline but i might be wrong becuase i did no read of the books maybe short stories

[heavy talon]

Though, I think I'd honestly like 40k better if the protagonist wasn't the Imperium. Another hot take, I think the Tau would make a far more interesting protagonist faction, and arguably make it seem even darker by comparison of POV.

Imagine the story unfolding through the eyes of these poor sods. SLowly discovering that the galaxy you intend to enlighten is doomed in probably a few thousand years. All the species you intend to unite under your banner are bastards who want to kill you at best.

And the biggest boy in town is a sprawling, decaying empire of angry monkeys who chant at machines and put their people into boxes to serve as computers

[arctic talon]

You forgot they’re also religious maniacs

[kind parrot]

i just hope the ending for W40K would be chaos has captured Tera and when they are trying to finish of the E, and from the massive energy the whole universe collapses and there is a big bang destroying everything

[kind parrot]

But the way they chant you forget it 😄

[arctic talon]

Mfw people comparing the imperial guard look too much like cultists

My brother in Christ the imperium is a death cult

They put sacrificing your life to the emperor and the imperium above everything else

[rare sky]

i know the empire arent clean but damn does the imperium looks worst...

[arctic talon]

The imperium is

Supposed to be awful

[rare sky]

i feel like every faction in 40k are like the same but at their worst

[arctic talon]

Not really

At all

[rare sky]

ork got gun true

[arctic talon]

Most morally good factions would prolly be Tau then Craftworld Eldar

And everyone else is a lot worse

Then those 2

[broken echo]

If I remember correctly, some orks work as mercenaries. But since orks use teef as their currency, what the hell are ork mercenaries getting paid with?

[arctic talon]

Guns

Weapons

Fuel

[kind parrot]

Food?

[rare sky]

battle

[arctic talon]

Also raw materials

But ork mercenaries aren’t reliable like at all

They can turn on you at any time(usually after payment)

[broken echo]

I guess that makes sense. Though spending time, effort and resources to gain the same resource seems slightly inefficient. However, I can imagine those engineer orks doing it to get metals in order to make more mech ork things.

[heavy talon]

The Empire, at least, shows some signs of progressing, and they openly embrace new ideas and technology for the most part. They are far from perfect but they're a mostly believable medieval/rennaisance society

The Imperium, meanwhile, is horrible in like

Every conceivable aspect

[arctic talon]

They have free healthcare(for soldiers only)

Kekw

[kind parrot]

What about Bretonnia

[heavy talon]

Oh Bretonnia straight up sucks, lol

[rare sky]

does arent actually nice neither

chad tyrant

[kind parrot]

And capital punishment is also good and fair

[arctic talon]

Bretonnia is terrible

Like

[heavy talon]

Honestly the Imperium is closer to Bretonnia than they are to the Empire, if comparisons have to be made

[arctic talon]

^

[kind parrot]

^

[rare sky]

being a peasant in bretonnia is shit

[kind parrot]

yes that is really close to Europian Mediaval history...

[rare sky]

so like 99% of the population

[kind parrot]

For the Lady ...

[arctic talon]

Bro even being a Nobel in 40k usually sucks lol

Even nobles eat corpse starch

[rare sky]

Sylvanian have it better than them i would say

[heavy talon]

I mean, Bretonnia is basically everything wrong with feudalism dialed up to 11

[arctic talon]

Yeah

[heavy talon]

So yeah

[arctic talon]

In warhammer crime

There’s a noble who pretty much has never had non corpse starch meat

He had a tiny ass piece of actual grox meat once

[kind parrot]

still better then radioactive cockroaches ...

[arctic talon]

And it was only because he wanted to improve on the corpse starch recipe lmao

[rare sky]

any character that there in the two universe beside the Gods ?

[arctic talon]

Greater daemons

[kind parrot]

Just the Chaos gods

[arctic talon]

The greater daemons share names and such

[kind parrot]

the funny part is once GW said that Warhammer Fantasy is in somewhere in W40K

[arctic talon]

But they’re different

[kind parrot]

but then they retconned it

[arctic talon]

Yeah back in 2e lol

[heavy talon]

Are they the same greater daemons, though? Daemons in 40k seem a bit more powerful than in Fantasy, if only by virtue of remaining proportional to the setting's level of power

[arctic talon]

3e is when modern 40k started

[rare sky]

just how would that work?

[arctic talon]

They have similar names and actions and personalities

Other then that they’re dif

[kind parrot]

Simple you have a feudal World somewhere on the rim of the known Imperium which is fighting chaos, the people don't know what is happening in the stars

[heavy talon]

Early 40k was canon to Fantasy, yeah. Things have since diverged way too far for that to be the case anymore, though. Like

A single Aeldari would body any Elf

[rare sky]

pretty sure lizardmen do...

[kind parrot]

well actually

both of them reference the lizardmen

this is the consistent one the Old Ones

there is also a mention to it in a short story that remains have been found on Terra

maybe i am wrong or i don't know

if W40k Old Ones = lizardmen WF

[rare sky]

mmmm i pretty much like them better separated

[kind parrot]

they have separated it for a reason

[heavy talon]

Like, in fantasy, if an Elf and a Human fought, the Human had a decent chance of winning if you picked any random two. Experienced warriors, the Elf had an advantage due to being a bit faster and having a much longer life to accumulate experience

In 40k, if an Aeldari and a human fight 1v1, that human is going in the fucking ground

No shot

So they can't be the same

[kind parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/warhammer-gif-18896366

[heavy talon]

Space Marines are a bit different from the average human schmuck, lol

[arctic talon]

That’s a dreadnought as well lol

In a straight fight between a marine and an aspect warrior

Whoever gets the first hit in prolly wins

[kind parrot]

so yes to answer the question once upon a time the two world were on the same timeline but no longer

[heavy talon]

I also often feel like 40k kinda undersells how scary Eldar are individually. I've seen a few good depictions but a lot of stuff just seems to treat them like regular elves

When it's like... nah, those fuckers have superspeed, are smarter than Einstein, and can rip your soul out with psychic powers

[kind parrot]

even in LOTR and in WF and W40K i don't like a being that is super smart and can forsee the future yet they fuck them selves...

example Fulgrim meeting the Eldars and talking to them...

[heavy talon]

Well, the Aeldari are also hilariously, cripplingly arrogant. It's literally baked into their DNA.

[arctic talon]

Lol

[kind parrot]

they knew he was corrupted but to arrognat...

[arctic talon]

Eldar are written terribly

Tbh

[kind parrot]

like the rest of the factions unfortunetly since they don't sell well..

[kind parrot]

Yes i understand it but an arrogant race as they should have learned a better lesson by now (enslaving their other half to Slaaanesh)

[arctic talon]

Nah their lead writer just doesn’t have much interest in them

So their writing as a whole suffers

[astral pecan]

I thought 40k was sort of like a vehicle for stories. Does their lead writer have final say in all cannon/non cannon?

Stories from different authors I mean

[arctic talon]

No, but lead writers for factions write a lot of stuff

[kind parrot]

well that is even more trickier

[storm jungle]

Yeah that is not the issue at all lol

also can say the same about the Imperium

who hasnt learned its lesson in 10k years

[heavy talon]

Everyone in 40k has a learning disability, lol

[kind parrot]

The Imperium will never learn since that is how the people are thought

[storm jungle]

Im glad IRL humanity isnt like this

oh wait

[astral pecan]

Learning is heretical

[storm jungle]

Turkish Schools Moment

[arctic talon]

Nanking

What nanking

[kind parrot]

Wait for another 20 years when you are in pension ... you will see the people keeping soc alive...

I just wonder what the kids of the Imperium are taught and how they are keeping up with it

[heavy talon]

Man I dunno if most of us are even gonna make pension, lol

[kind parrot]

i will probably die from a hearth condition lol...

[kind parrot]

Hope dies last...

[storm jungle]

I dont want a nuclear war

how else will I play fucking Darktide

[kind parrot]

well, we are the closest right now to it...

but papa Nurgle is doing it's best with the new Covid wave...

[unique berry]

Nurgle got some new options ready with a new virus found in the ice 💀

[broken echo]

The c'tan shards are possibly the necrons greatest weapon. But I'm wondering, how small is the typical c'tan shard? Is it 1/12 of the original c'tan? 1/6? 1/50?

[coarse mirage]

I had a Vet talk about something about genestealers, but I forget the details of what he said. I only remember he mentioned them.

It was in the middle of a fight so I didn't pay attention

[scenic sun]

1/100 at least most likely

C'tan shards are... Stupid. C'tan god's are word shattering stupid

[broken echo]

That sounds about right. I wonder how big the void dragon shard in Mars is, since its supposedly a "massive shard of the void dragon".

[ashen shoal]

just a C'tan shard can already manipulate time and banish enemies into different dimensions, a full C'tan is almost omnipotent in realspace

[rustic spruce]

does the cawl inferior think independently of the main cawl

[scenic sun]

Most likely yes

I believe personally it's AI

[hushed kayak]

wait isn’t that cawl long time friend?

i remember reading up he had an assistant, who was his friend and he kept bringing him back to life since he felt important. Apparently he lost his memories on why he does this, but felt it was right

[arctic talon]

No Cawl inferior is supposed to be a device that is pre programmed to answer guillimans questions

Except it also has the unhealthy tendency of asking to make Cawl fabricator general

Which Cawl has explicitly said he doesn’t want

[near glade]

Who is the current Fabricator General anyway?

Some unnamed guy?

[last lagoon]

Highlord of terra

I forgot his name

[hushed kayak]

so is cawl assistant even a thing now?

[silver quail]

Hey so where did the "protec the lil uns" thing come from. Is that actual dialog somewhere?

[hushed kayak]

famous voiced meme from DreadAnon

https://youtube.com/shorts/wFFSfSw7KQI?feature=share
@silver quail

[silver quail]

I love it

[arctic talon]

Oud Oudia Raskian, who is known for actually somewhat silently supporting experimentation

Is still an absolute psychopath

Like 99% of high ranking members of the mechanicus

[fallen anvil]

Sounds like a level headed guy

[smoky stag]

Are those chaos runes?

[manic sierra]

yes

i believe they generally talk about the D ah k Gh o d s

[ruby sparrow]

or "Death to the false emperor

Kw/qu Ee LL M Ak II M / M Aa ii M? Dh II S T rh o y (Kill(?) Maim Destroy?)

[rustic spruce]

what do you reckon will fill those shuttered doors on the mourningstar

[ruby sparrow]

Dunno

[arctic talon]

His body is a factory

Like a literal factory

[fallen anvil]

speaking of apparently hes mentions in the hollow mountain i dont remember this

[lament sluice]

anyone know the timelapse between editions usually? I want to get 9th edition core but i have no idea if tenth will be here within a few monthes

so should i go ahead and dip into 9th or just wait?

[rose thorn]

These are the same runes on the slaves to darkness box!!

[devout oxide]

10th will most likely be out in a few months

[ruby sparrow]

Ph L Aa Gu Ii Rh AA V AA Gh II Rh O Tz Dh I AA Tz H (plague ravage rot death)

as for what the rest means

[lament sluice]

alright thanks

[ruby sparrow]

Eye of the god, *Elastic limbs/limb loss?) Uncanny resemblance, Big head, Immensity

[devout oxide]

That said I dont regret ever dipping in, I still have everything from second onward, even editions I didnt play. So I would go ahead, but I also think the signs all point to 10th within the next 6-10 monthss

[rose thorn]

idk if this helkps but the text on the box says slaves to darkness

adn the symbols are the same

idk if there is like a translation lmao

[rose thorn]

OH FOUDN IT

GERE IT IS

[still oracle]

dis shit like star war fr

[rose thorn]

it changes but the general concept should stay the same

yar gzui hak war and it repeats

huH

unless i have that in teh wrong order

lmao

[ruby sparrow]

yeah I got the phonetic runes

[rose thorn]

sick!

[ruby sparrow]

or

[rose thorn]

this says 'for the dark gods'

this is cool af!

[toxic hedge]

turns out british graffiti has been chaos signs all along

[heavy talon]

Yo, what's the difference between a Melta weapon and a Volkite weapon?

They both sound like very hot beams of plasma

[last lagoon]

Iirc volkite is basically a death ray that makes people burn into flames

Theres a horus heresy cover art that I forgot for which book that shows basically that

[minor raft]

Bit of an odd question, but has anyone figured out the lyrics to the boss theme chant?

[arctic talon]

That thing is actually just an iron warrior on fire from a land raider exploding

But there’s another iron warrior firing a volkite weapon

[last lagoon]

I'm trying to find the cover to see if it is

Kinda art since I forgot where its from

[arctic talon]

It’s the tallaran book

Gimme a sec

[arctic talon]

Notice the exploded land raider

[last lagoon]

Aaaah I always I guess I remembered it wrong

[arctic talon]

Nah it’s not ur fault

[last lagoon]

But Volkite is still basically a heat death ray

[arctic talon]

It’s used in one of the card games

As art for volkite somthing

[last lagoon]

Huh

[crisp heath]

There’s no subtitles on Spotify

I’d love to know what they’re saying though

[crisp heath]

is jesus cannon in 40k?

[sweet nexus]

Have to ask... Why are Psykers hated? Thought the emperor is the most powerful Psyker there is

Soo it is like they are worshipping the type of the being they hate the most?

Dunno much about 40k lore outside of random snippets from TTS and DoW stuffs

Also eh... If Psykers are hated or controlled this much... How on earth does inquisitions even decided to allowed a space marine chapter that is all Psykers?

[celest dome]

Hypocrisy

And the fact that Psyker are mutants, and that using the Warp is very dangerous

Like it's using the power of hell to do stuff

And has chances to summon deamons

But Psyker are still incredibly useful

Like they are the longest range communication system

And the power of the Warp, when used by trained personnel is very strong

Even more when the enemy is a Daemon

[small brook]

i got you

[narrow goblet]

a question, do you think neo-volkite guns are now common enough thanks to Cawl's efforts that it would be lore plausible for us to get our hands on some down the line?

[spark relic]

Extremely unlikely but we do work for the Inquisition so anything could be possible

[narrow goblet]

hmm aight thanks, I imagine we'd wield the "pistols" the primaris marines use as full-sized guns but it'd be really awesome

[last lagoon]

I think neo volkite still is rare?

[safe vigil]

Funny, ths is from a Only War demo module I've been looking at running recently

Eleventh Hour

[celest dome]

I don't think those are made in Human size, but they still are rare and expensive

[celest dome]

Yes, Christianity was cannon, so I'd say Big J was also

[scenic sun]

what's only war?

[celest dome]

Only War is one of the Rpg system for 40k

Like Dark Heresy and another one iirc

[scenic sun]

hmmm, still questioning which one to use if i am to dm

another one to the list to check out

[quaint sparrow]

Hey why do Cadians have purple eyes? Is it taint from being so close to the Eye of Terror?

[celest dome]

It mostly depend on what you want the story to be

[celest dome]

Cadia is really close to the Eye, that why it changed their eye colours

[brittle slate]

Yes- but the emperor killed all religions as he unified Terra.

[safe vigil]

Each game is specialized but uses the same system.
Dark heresy is basically Call of Cthulhu in 40k playing as Inquisitorial Acolytes
Only War you're guardsmen
Deathwatch you're Space Marines
Black Crusade is heretics/heretic space marines
Rogue Trader is space conquistadors

[feral agate]

Think of it like this. There’s this super wise, intelligent guy leading your entire race, with its best interest at heart. And he has super powerful nukes. Yay!

Now here is a regular Joe. He also has access to the nukes, and the nukes whisper to him that he should blow up his city.

[quaint sparrow]

And the guy you are worshipping also has the voices whispering to him except nobody knows about that part basically!

[feral agate]

Eh, the Emperor faced the entire might of chaos head on and remained uncorrupted. Id say he can be trusted with this power. Same with Grey Knights.

Basically, being a psyker isn’t inherently wrong, it’s just that vast majority cannot handle this power, so it’s far more sensible to control everyone by default. But there are individuals which can handle this power without risk.

[scenic sun]

If they're that similar I guess it's easy to for example tell a story about rogue traders using dark heresy right?

Do they have literally the same stats too or Smth?

[safe vigil]

there are little changes between the games, but you can take a dark heresy character and play them in rogue trader... theyd actually be very overpowered because of how exp costs are used

but rogue trader is a very different power scale with a voidship combat system tied to all of the classes

so you're better off just using the designed game for whatever your going for

[scenic sun]

Very nice considering they are going to eventually end up part of a ship with both an inquisitor and rogue trade in

If I use any, I guess dark heresy should be better. Actual lote question, is it a fair assesment to say living in the middle hive is alike to living in industrial Victorian London?

And outside hives on civilised/shrine worlds, akin to china/the Soviet Union or other modern dictatorships of our time?

[balmy veldt]

Depends on the hive city generally hive cities are like living in kowloon walled city. and the farther up you go the more "normal" life becomes. so upper middle is likely something close to Victorian.

And outside hives on civilised/shrine worlds, akin to china/the Soviet Union or other modern dictatorships of our time?
Nah, the imperium of man has paradise worlds that are literally just mega vacation homes people try and retire too and "imperial worlds" are often described as having most modern amenities. Shrine Worlds would be like living in the Vatican or at a church but its the entire world.

[celest dome]

Depend on the Hive

[balmy veldt]

Granted everything is flavoured with a heavy does of propaganda and information obfuscation, the average imperial cant read high gothic among another of other basic stuff. if you live in a hive you probably cant write either as general intelligence isent valued

theres also examples of hives that are just a shit show at all levels like necromunda

[scenic sun]

I didn't mean paradise worlds, more like civilised

[balmy veldt]

Civilised worlds are called "imperial Worlds"

[scenic sun]

uh

[balmy veldt]

mhm.

Shrine worlds are a seperate thing.

[scenic sun]

Gonna guess they are like a "imperial world" except add in all the benefits of being run by the church

[balmy veldt]

Shrine worlds are often built in dedication to a specific shrine filled with special relics

Kinda? generally they have smaller populations and the ecclesiarchy has complete control

Most shrine worlds have Sisters of battle instead of guardsmen regiments to defend them.

[scenic sun]

don't guardsmen go outside planet while pdf are the ones that are stationed as garrisons normally?

also, when i said "akin to soviet union" I meant in the level of authoritarism. I doubt "Imperial worlds" are functioning democracies at all

[balmy veldt]

yes and generally the guardsmen will be better equipt

[balmy veldt]

Depends on the world some worlds are ruled by a meritocracy of guilds, i dont think we have an explicit example of a democracy outside of maybe olympia? but that was more like the greeks then full democracy

Er rome.

[scenic sun]

Perturabo nuked it soo...

[balmy veldt]

Ye

peter turbo does that alot

[scenic sun]

Am just getting that imperial worlds vary... a lot, kinda makes sense

i collect iron warriors, i know all about peter's little happy errors

[balmy veldt]

mhm general rule of thumb, anything can happen on any world as long as two rules are followed Every one worships the emperor as the only god and there tithe is paid in full

[scenic sun]

Spoken like a true galactic feudalist lol

[balmy veldt]

Theres a great example of this in the carcharadons books about a bunch of guild merchants ruling, and they skimmed like 0.000001% of every tithe and got shwacked for it.

[balmy veldt]

Exactly 😄

[scenic sun]

i mean 0.000001% of a PLANETARY tithe is probably still like millions of lasguns and leman russes

[balmy veldt]

in this case it was very little they were a mining colony.

[scenic sun]

if you had 0.0001% of a planet's resources, you'd be ric- oh F

[balmy veldt]

But ya on some worlds it could be BILLIONS of units of tech

[scenic sun]

gotta love bureocratic "Technicallities" that get people slammed

[balmy veldt]

Krieg produces Soldiers in the Billions for every tithe

[scenic sun]

krieg gives you like 10 regiments of 50k strenght each at a fine pace

[balmy veldt]

and all of them will die to claim 2 miles

[scenic sun]

emperor forbid some heretic owns those 2 miles!

[balmy veldt]

Exactly!

[scenic sun]

Maybe i'll come back later to ask about sources of entretainment hired guardsmen may be able to afford

can't search for idiotic cults without slacking off ofc

[celest dome]

Playing cards, dices

Digging Latrines

Sentinel duty

Charge in open fields

[ripe ravine]

worth mentioning that by militarum regulation off duty gambling is prohibited (this rarely stops them)

[crisp heath]

Lore reason for level 1 reject buying the drippiest drip with us dollars?

[celest dome]

Is there any needed

[crisp heath]

No

[raven pulsar]

Whats a bunch of rejects from a hive city doing being allowed to see the sky?

and why wouldnt they employ the space marines to disrupt a surface signal thats taking control of people....I thought they hired writers

[crisp heath]

Dan was too busy writing the lore behind the cash shop

[celest dome]

A lot of Hivers actually see the sky, it's not an enclosed space and it's not restricted to the Higher populace (Cos the surface sucks just as much as the Underhive)

[celest dome]

Cos SM are not everywhere and most planet never actually have a SM set foot on it

So the Inqui is using what ever is nearby (As nobody came after the call)